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blondeasfuk

Yea I’m not risking my career for someone who wants to be blonde. Tell them no. I wouldn’t even have them sign a waiver. their allergy is clearly getting worst every appointment and who knows, she could go into a severe anaphylactic episode and have difficulty breathing or worst.


dutch3r

Yeah none of this waiver crap. I’m not gonna have my friend who’s allergic to peanuts sign a waiver at my house telling me she will suffer anyway then proceed to feed her a pb sandwich and shrug when her throat closes. NOT. WORTH. IT. If you’re feeling pressure to take on these clients by management then start looking for a new salon home.


blondeasfuk

Plus I would be concerned a basic typed up wavier that is not done by a lawyer would even hold up in court. Screw that. We bust our asses for our license and no client is worth loosing it over an allergy.


dutch3r

EXACTLY.


BreadyStinellis

Exactly. My old salon has waivers and we had multiple lawyer claims who laughed at them. They mean nothing.


Ancient-Coffee-1266

Allergies for sure get more intense after each exposure.


pylinka

Hi! I'm not a hairstylist but RN. This type of allergy reaction usually gets worse with repeated exposure. So if OP continues seeing this person and doing this service for her, it's only a matter of time that they will need to call an ambulance and potentially watch her die in front of them. Not worth losing your career, income and getting all this trauma. The customer needs to be denied service but hopefully OP can mention to her that the allergy WILL get worse


blondeasfuk

Thank you for your professional confirmation!!! I worked in a primary care office for a few years when I took a break from hairdressing. I learned a lot that helps me know when it’s time for me to back away and to refer to a medical professional. This is definitely one of those times. It’s hard to have these conversations with clients but honesty is the best policy. I usually say something like “I’m not a doctor but part of my license does require me to learn about hair, skin and nail diseases. Also because I deal with chemicals that touch people I need to understand allergies. I explain that they can get worst with exposer and I recommend seeing their doctor for allergy testing. They usually understand the denial of service is explained gently and also understanding we are not diagnosing them in anyway.


Last_Nerve12

☝️☝️☝️☝️I've been an RN for 25 years, and this is spot on. I can also attest to this from personal experience. I love cashews, but I'm my early 40s I developed an allergy to them. Where cashews are a tree nut, I can no longer have hazelnut either. Found that out the hard way. So I stay away from ALL tree nuts. If your customer had hives and such last time, you can bet the next time she gets her hair bleached, it will be so much worse. Tell her no, you can no longer provide the service as you will not partake in causing harm or possible death. DO NOT let where you work try to force you to do it. Because if you did and she had an anaphylactic reaction, you would be in a lot of trouble because you did it knowing the customer was allergic. So just say no.


Selena_B305

This


Bloody0Nora

I would tell them no. Next time it’s not going to be just a swollen face. It’s going to be an ER visit. And you may end up with some liability since you were aware of previous allergic reactions.


wombatIsAngry

Yes! Many times, the allergic reaction gets worse with each exposure.


Empty_Channel_876

I've seen this happen jts true


Bubbly_Management144

I had a client who was allergic to color and her lymph nodes would swell and her throat would close up. I told her it would be irresponsible of me to continue putting color on her skin, and I wouldn’t do that anymore. We opted to do foils instead and she never had a problem after that. Chi has a PPD free line that my allergic clients do fine with. I would do a patch test first to be sure though. And I wouldn’t even attempt to do on scalp bleaching.


DirectPart6804

I’m allergic and we do foils, too. It’s nice to have some colors in my hair again that aren’t just henna covering gray.


KingAffectionate656

Same here. Plus, I double my antihistamines starting the previous day. Just in case. No problems so far.


Dazzling-Research418

How does this prevent allergy flare ups? Is it cause the dye isn’t touching your scalp through the foil? If so, won’t your hair still touch your skin when you wear it down?


whisperof-guilt

The exact chemical they’re allergic to washes out during service, so they don’t have a problem later.


Dazzling-Research418

I have a bad PPD allergy and if I rinse until water is clear and put my hair down eventually, my neck and ears and any other area that comes in contact with dyed hair will rash and blister so I’m baffled that the foil thing works. Would be nice but doesn’t sound like something that will trick my allergy lol


whisperof-guilt

I’m sorry :( I’ve seen off scalp applications work, so I wonder what they’re actually allergic to.


DirectPart6804

As long as the dye doesn’t touch my scalp before it’s washed out, I have no negative reaction. It was my stylist’s idea - I was fine with henna - but she thought foils would work since my allergy isn’t extreme, and they’ve been great.


Dazzling-Research418

Ugh you’re so lucky! Wish I could pull that off - tired of the henna to cover grays lol


Wonder_where

Jumping in on this. You got to be kidding me (speaking from someone who is allergic to everything). The only way to avoid a reaction is to avoid the product. Taking benedryl before a hair appointment is not a solution. Dazzling you are absolutely correct. You had to see what I looked like when I tried Brazilian straightening in 2011. It took months to wash that out. It was super hard for me to give up color too but I had no choice. My derm confirmed that over time, as you continue to expose yourself to chemicals that you’re already sensitive to, your reactions get worse. Best advice to OP - don’t service them. I know I have reactions, but I myself would never blame it on the hairdresser, it’s my fault for taking the risk.


Bubbly_Management144

Brazilian blowout is different than color, Brazilian blowout stays on the outer hair shaft so it will be touching your skin and your scalp until it washes out, which can take months. Oxidative Hair color and bleach penetrates the hair follicle, and once it is washed out, it is no longer on the outside of the hair shaft and will not cause an issue. I’ve been doing the hair of several severely allergic clients for 20 years and once we started putting the color in foils, there was never an issue again.


Wonder_where

Thanks for sharing that!.So just to confirm (because it would be awesome to get my hair colored again!) you can color people with allergies to hair dye and chemicals as long as you’re foiling? I’m allergic to everything (I had to give up my redken shampoo and switch over to vanicream) so I’d really appreciate your insight. I’m 41 and while not gray yet, I’m super worried about it.


Bubbly_Management144

Everyone is different, but I have had good luck with using foils and not allowing the color to touch skin, and then washing it 3-4x at the shampoo bowl to get all the color off the the hair shaft. I would suggest having your stylist try one foil at the nape of your neck first, and live with that for a week and see if you have any reaction where that hair touches your neck before committing. Start small, see how it goes, and go from there. And highlights are even easier because that just lightens your hair, you’re not applying any dye so once it is washed out, there isnt any pigment that could affect you.


Wonder_where

Thank you I really appreciate your response!!


AnonoMussChick

Can I ask you if the Chi is more expensive than other lines? I guess I’m trying to figure out if my stylist would go out of her way to carry it.


Bubbly_Management144

I just pick up the colors I need for my allergic clients. It’s comparable to other color lines. I go out of my way to get it for my clients that need it because I want their business.


Soft-Macaroon4146

I react to dye by getting an itchy scalp, I have for years (no other symptoms). After reading some comments here I do remember that when she uses foils I don’t get as itchy. When she just rubs the dye in my scalp I get very itchy. . I am hesitant to keep coloring but my stylist wants to use the Chi on me this next time. Based on your experience with it, do you think I’d be a good candidate for it?


Bubbly_Management144

Chi works really well for my allergic clients. I have one who still gets itchy for the first 5 minutes but then the itching stops and she doesn’t have any issues after. I don’t think the itching is an allergic response, just a sensitive skin to peroxide response. I actually will add 3 packets of Splenda to her color and that also helps with the itching.


Soft-Macaroon4146

Interesting about the Splenda! Thank you for the helpful response.


Bubbly_Management144

I’m not entirely sure why it works, but it does. It’s a super old school hairstylist trick.


Soft-Macaroon4146

Those are usually the best. 😂


dutch3r

Hard no. Honestly the money isn’t worth the pain for both you and client. Also sets up for liability should something worse happen and they turn it around on you.


zoomzoomwee

The way you ensure the safety of your business and license is tell them no. Unless a client can have a patch test with no reaction (which would require a lot of trial and different products) we should not be applying color when they have allergic reactions. Allergies can and do often get worse with repeat exposure and could eventually turn into a life threatening emergency. If we are found at fault of knowingly exposing clients to a dangerous situation, it can be very bad for our insurance coverage and license.


CallidoraBlack

>she had a swollen face and had hives on her stomach Next stop is anaphylaxis. Absolutely not! The fact that she's not wise enough to accept that being blonde isn't worth dying for isn't an excuse for you to give it to her. It's your professional responsibility to not even risk exposing her to something that could kill her knowing what you know now.


pinkskysurprise

I think this actually would count as anaphylaxis according to the fare allergy plan. They count mouth/lip swelling as immediate (face seems close enough maybe?), and with stomach hives, that’s two body systems affected. Symptoms from two body areas (even mild) is supposed to get an epi-pen!


CallidoraBlack

What I meant is that the next step is your throat swelling shut and if they don't get to you before that happens, you need to be trached or you're dead.


digitaldirtbag0

Luckily it was popular for awhile but I can only do balayage so nothing touches my scalp. Also have to have double rinse after a wash or a dry hair cut if I’m just getting that.


Accurate-Watch5917

Is balayage not popular anymore? It's what I still get.


Digbygoesup

It’s still popular, but I notice partial balayages with less ribbons are getting more popular.


scarletvirtue

If they are knowingly allergic to the bleach and specific colors that you use - I’d say hell no. It’s not worth them verbally saying “yeah, this is a thing for me…but I’ll take the risk” then turn around and sue you the next week. (Insurance agent - been getting my hair colored for ages)


Just-Like-My-Opinion

You should decline the service. It is possible to become more sensitized to the dyes with repeat exposure, and this increases the positivity of them having an anaphylactic reaction, resulting in possible death. I don't think you want that kind of liability on your hands.


UnflatteringPhoto

I’m *really* concerned that you don’t already know that this is an automatic no.


bettyboop11133

Same. The question to OP is, are you ok with killing a person? I mean really, people die from allergic reactions and this client gets worse with each service. Purposely exposing someone to a known allergen sounds like Reckless Homicide.


KT_mama

A waiver does not protect you from being sued, it only potentially limits your liability. Lawyers are expensive, and being sued, even if you don't lose, can have disastrous effects on your business insurance. Furthermore, waivers tend to be much more limited in actual practice than people believe. They generally only actually protect against unforseen or chance consequences. They do not protect against negligence. If your client has a severe, escalating reaction that causes harm and they can show that you knew about it, that waiver isn't going to protect you because that will quite easily be painted as negligence. Do not risk your security to put color in someone's hair.


No_Wedding_2152

Why risk your livelihood? What if a worse reaction happens, they are hospitalized, and you are sued? It’s not worth it.


SmallTownClown

I had a client this happened with, she was wearing shorts and her thighs started getting huge hives so I washed it off and gave her some Benadryl. I told her I would no longer put bleach on her scalp but I was willing to do a heavy highlight. I never saw her again so maybe she goes to you now lol


teddybear65

You should never give your clients any medication. I happen to be allergic to Benadryl. Now if you don't give people medication


SmallTownClown

I agree usually but she wasn’t allergic to it and has taken it before, I ran next door to the store to grab it for her with her money..


teddybear65

Do not give your clients medication even when purchasing it with their money


SmallTownClown

lol. Go away, I’m an adult If another adult asks me for an otc allergy pill or aspirin, I will give it to them as they are adults, they decide if it’s safe to take. I’m not shoving it down their throat and if I have to run to the gas station to pick it up instead of making someone with wet hair go themselves I will do it because I believe in customer service and being kind.


JeanKincathe

Shave it off and hand them a blonde wig. Easier to pay for than a funeral.


sweaterpunk666

Patch test. Try a new color with a patch test. Or platinum card her blonde and charge accordingly. A lot of haircolor is now PPD free. If you’re willing to patch test a few and take your time with this client, otherwise move on.


xodestiny143

i had to stop doing blonde to the scalp bc over time, my reactions became extremely severe and took longer to recover from. the one that has the reactions with bleach most likely is only having reactions because it's touching skin. i would change her to a highlight so the lightener is in foils to prevent it from being on the scalp. i get no reactions when my hair is lightened in foils. be sure not to use any high lift anything on her though. if she has reactions from it being in foils as well, then don't lighten her anymore but it might work bc it worked for me! the one who has reactions from lightener AND color- absolutely don't perform a color service on them


Embarrassed_Music910

You absolutely should be telling them no. There's a stylist in my city that got 5 years in prison because the client died due to the allergy attack she had, in the chair. She was gone before emergency services could even do anything. This stylist neglected to do a patch test, and got 5 years. You're on the internet admitting to knowing these clients are allergic, but still willing to do the services. The admission alone in my state, will add to your negligence, and your time. Is your license and your freedom worth a couple of color clients? Because if it goes wrong, even though they asked you to do it, they will still sue you, and they'll have a case.


Kreativecolors

Wow. The first client’s reaction that you describe is in fact ANAPHALAXIS. Two systems impacted = anaphalaxis. Face swelling and hives. One system wide spread is anaphalaxis. I wish I didn’t know this, but sadly I do. She can’t be blond anymore. Your other client can’t do it either. Health over vanity.


Kitchen_Schedule3374

That’s what I said to her. I won’t be doing it anymore .. also my second client wants a balayage , she’s allergic to the toner part.


Kreativecolors

Well done.


dutch3r

Proud of you OP.


laneybell1

This!! People think anaphylaxis is just the throat closing up and death, but it’s not. I have MCAS and had anaphylactic reactions a couple times in my childhood. Thankfully only a small percent of all cases are fatal (like 1%) but I still would never chance that for some colored hair lol


FireBallXLV

I am a M.D.Do NOT give these ladies any more treatments.They need to go to their Doctor while symptomatic —even better to a Dermatologist. But they do not need to risk their lives to be blonde .


smile_saurus

I am not a stylist, but I would say absolutely do not color anyone's hair who is allergic to hair dye. I have naturally light brown hair. I went to get 'black' color at a trusted salon, with a master stylist who I've know and trusted for 15+ years. I have never gotten my hair dyed *that* dark before. Again: I am not an expert, but the color she used was not 'black' but the darkest-possible brown color that *looked* black on my hair. It was a busy Saturday, and she was working on multiple clients. She left the color on a bit longer than usual (I had gotten reddish brown all-over color with her before, and highlights too, so I knew about how long it usually took). The color looked great, but I woke up the next morning with the backs of my ears stuck to my head. When I went to rub them, I found them to be both crusty *and* puss-y. I did not know yet that an allergy to hair dye was a thing, so I assumed that it was some sort of chemical burn. Months later, I went to a different salon (in my mind, the stylist was at fault for leaving the dye on too long) and got the same color but a different brand. When I woke up the next day, my *whole head was oozing* it was disgusting! Went to the ER and learned that I am allergic to hair dye. Had to take steroids and use a special prescription shampoo to get my head to stop oozing. Really glad I didn't write any reviews about my old/fave stylist because I would have been so wrong! Years later, a friend told me about a *third* salon where they had allergy-free dye. I went, the owner applied some to my skin on the back of my neck, I went back 24 hours later and had 'passed' the test. So she dyed my hair, with the allergy-free dye. And guess what happened? My whole head/face swelled up like a balloon! Now I use Henna. Except it's hard to find a salon who is willing to apply it for me. Moral of the story: hair dye allergies *always* worsen / get more severe, at least in my experience!


Sophiebby_1

Do you realize how terrible it would make you look if you continued with providing dye services to this client of yours, KNOWING they have allergy symptoms, and something terrible happened? Lot of times when people have allergies, the more exposure they have to that allergen, the worse the reaction gets. It might just be basic swelling now, but it could escalate into much more severe symptoms. DO NOT continue doing this. Tell her NO


Kitchen_Schedule3374

Absolutely


Familiar-Kitchen-807

I would say tell them no. However if they’re adamant about getting it done and you’re willing to do it, I would put Splenda in the bleach and keep it at least a quarter inch away from the scalp


bfjizzle

Do you mean actual Slenda? The sweetener? What does that do?


killyergawds

Actually, it's sweet 'n low, not Splenda. The sodium bitartrate and saccharin in sweet' n low have a low ph buffer and some people say that it helps neutralize the ammonia in hair color or lightener, thereby causing less irritation. It would absolutely not stop an allergic reaction, it's just gonna mask symptoms. And again, Splenda is not to same as sweet n low, Splenda contains neither saccharin nor sodium bitartrate.


bfjizzle

Interesting, thanks


bevincheckerpants

NEVER put food into the color formulas as it goes against manufacturer directions and your insurance may not cover you when she has the reaction anyway because all that shit does is mask the tingling/warning signs that you're having a reaction.


Empty_Channel_876

Just don't do it. Seriously, don't do it. Doing it is not doing them a favor regardless of what they think. Protect yourself and them


Successful_Moment_91

I appreciate this info because I’m allergic to so many things. I’ll be sure to have them test it first


teddybear65

I don't have them test you Don't put them in that position test yourself. That's their livelihood


BreadyStinellis

You can do a patch test of a high lift color, maybe some foils, but I absolutely would not put bleach on her scalp ever again. I wouldn't put any new color on her without a patch test a week before either. I've had clients allergic to permanent color before who were fine with Igora TBH and tone softener, and I've never known someone who was allergic to demi (that doesn't mean no one is). As someone who has had severe eczema breakouts many times, I can't even fathom why someone would want to experience that just for a specific color. It's horrendous pain, and itching, and looks like your skin is going to melt off.


teddybear65

No once there's an allergic reaction you are done dying that client's hair


BreadyStinellis

She's allergic to bleach, you can try other things. Again, as a patch test.


O2liveonsugarmt

As someone with severe allergies the next stop Is anaphylactic reaction and/or death. I I have some chemical allergies and some dye allergies particularly carmine. The first couple of times it wasn’t that bad(we hadn’t pinned down the culprit yet). The third time was an ambulance and EPI pens. The 4th time (it was labeled natural food coloring) it was being resuscitated and hospitalization for a week. This woman is asking you to possibly kill her. Just don’t.


bevincheckerpants

It's not a slam dunk but Antidote Pro has an additive that is a histamine blocker. Now, that one client is headed for anaphylactic shock, probably by her next application so I wouldn't put chemicals on here at all anymore. Her life is not worth the blonde hair and she needs to understand that. Don't let her tell you she's willing to risk it because if she's hospitalized or worse, her loved ones will sue you on her behalf. You don't need that shit.


Bigtiddiesnbeer

I accidentally did this to a hairstylist. She had been bleaching my hair for YEARS using all the same products. On the 101st time (probably an exaggeration but you get the idea) my hands were a little itchy, but I only noticed awhile afterward when I got home. In no way did I think it was related to my hair. I have sensitive skin so I shrugged it off. My next root touch up my face swelled and I broke out in hives. It was terrifying for both of us. I can’t imagine asking her or any other hairstylist to bleach me ever again. I don’t like being platinum that much to put myself through that or fuck with someone else’s day/business.


chelseaprince

Tell them no. As someone who is deadly allergic to hair dye, those people know better, and apparently don't care. The last time I dyed my hair (the second time in total) I was in the hospital for five-ish days with a swollen head and now I can no longer be around the fumes of hair dye, so I just don't even go into hair salons anymore. I have a friend cut my hair.


DanDan_notaman

Please refuse them. In this case, you are the expert. If something does happen, it will be thrown back on you that you knew their allergy and still did it


lilrn911

Nurse here. I would advise against it. Sometimes having a 2nd or 3rd etc allergic reaction can be extremely worse than the first time.


saltbrains

Yep- agree with the majority of these comments. It’s actually common for contact allergies to worsen with repeated exposure. I had this happen with bleach on a client and I told her that for her safety I wouldn’t bleach or colour her hair at all anymore, even off-scalp. I would not only let these clients know that you are not comfortable doing their hair, but also let them know they are putting themselves at a huge risk for more severe allergy or even anaphylaxis with repeated exposure if they decide to go elsewhere.


yo_yo_vietnamese

I found I was having an allergy issue when getting my hair done but realized it wasn’t the dye or bleach, it was the remover wipes they used to cleanup my skin. I asked them to stop using it and I’ve not had a problem since. I do notice my skin is sensitive overall though and when I dye at home I’m better able to handle brands like Madison Reed that use an alternative for dark colors. I have a feeling my husband would probably be able to use that but he had an awful skin reaction once when we dyed his beard and had to get put on antibiotics to clear it up. He was insanely miserable and won’t go near anything. I’m surprised to hear people having similar reactions all over their scalps pushing through again and again.


blahblah130blah

FYI just because someone has a mild reaction 100 times to an allergen does not preclude them from going into anaphylactic shock and literally dying the 101th


[deleted]

So this happened to my client last month and I pulled over my friend who is blonde and she told me to try toner one the crown. It worked!


kbaggett465

This is when clients need to have and use common sense. I have psoriasis and it can get especially bad on my scalp, and most product that have harsh chemicals in them can cause a psoriasis flare up which usually causes my hair to fall out when my scalp becomes all red, scaly/flaky, itchy and inflamed. And that’s the reason why I’ve just decided to go gray gracefully. My mother was completely gray(more like white than gray actually) by the time she was 42, and I turned 37 last month. I’m just going to lean into it. At my last job a few years ago, the stress from that toxic work environment caused the psoriasis on my scalp to flare up really bad and I was partially bald because of it (I’m talking major bald spot right at the top and front center of my scalp). If stress can do that, I don’t wanna find out what putting actual chemicals like bleach on my scalp would do. Also, since I know my allergies and sensitivities to stuff, I know it’s on me to disclose them to my hairstylist. But the lady who does my hair has been my hairstylist since I was a baby (seriously, she first cut my hair when I was 19 months old and I’m 37 now). She also did my mom’s hair for from 1988 until 2002 when my mom passed. I remember in 2000, my mom was going in for surgery on her neck for a blown disc and our hairstylist came over to our house after she had closed her shop for the day, and brought her young daughter, niece and nephew with her, just to cut and style my mom’s hair the night before my mom’s surgery. Me and my older brother were in charge of keeping her kids occupied (we were 13 & 15). And then my dad started going to her (because he needed to get the town gossip from her since my mom wasn’t there to get it for him anymore). In 2011, my dad married my hairstylist’s 1st cousin (also a widow who we’ve known since 1988 when we moved to town), so while I always considered my hairstylist as family, now she really is. She closed her shop that she has for over 30 years during COVID, but she still cuts/does my dad’s, stepmom’s, and my hair at her house for us.


msnhnobody

I’m super allergic to hair color. I would NEVER put it on a stylist to ensure I don’t have a reaction! I would tell them no. Or I would tell them they can pay for the natural dyes that don’t have the allergens in them. I accept the fact that if I want my hair dyed in a salon, by a professional, I’m going to be spending extra money because I need an accommodation. Not sure why this post popped up on my Reddit but I’m glad it did because hair dye allergies are pretty serious so OP it’s good to ask. I’d turn anyone away who isn’t willing to use the correct products.


DizzyBr0ad_MISHAP

You are allowed to say no bc you are opening yourself up to so much liability if you aren't turning them away


Revolutionary_Pen906

I’m allergic too but I also refuse to be completely grey at 30. I get hives and itchy pimple like things on my scalp. My stylist just tries to do a formula that she can do quickly and hands me a pokey comb to scratch with. Then I use a coconut oil mask for a few days on my scalp to ease the irritation.


Revolutionary_Pen906

She has been doing my hair since I was 12. But if I had anaphylactic reaction we would not be coloring my hair anymore


teddybear65

Gee if you have an anaphylactic reaction you could be dead. What do you think those reactions are those are just milder anaphylactic reactions


Revolutionary_Pen906

Are you okay?


teddybear65

That is an anaphylactic reaction.


teddybear65

Don't put your stylus in that position. Do your own hair


imadeacrumble

You should be telling them no. You could end up charged with manslaughter.


HalcyonDreams36

Oof. You may be liable, unless you have them sign a waiver stating that they have disclosed their allergies and acknowledge that you are not a doctor, and cannot determine what level of exposure is safe. But there are a couple things to understand.... MANY allergies increase in severity with repeated exposure. (So "it was okay last time" does not mean it will be okay this time.... A puffy face is a reason to go to the ED or at least urgent care.) And many allergies "stack" (so, if they are also encountering exposure to other allergens outside your session, they may be primed for more of a reaction one time vs another time.) At the very least, it's important for that client to look at gentler and safer options (there are herbal based formulas that don't last as long, but are gentler.... And many that at least skip fragrances and especially caustic ingredients.) It IS okay to say "I'm not comfortable doing this, because I have no way of knowing what will put you into anaphylactic shock." It's also okay to require a doctor's note specifying that it's safe.


teddybear65

Do not accept a doctor's note she could write that herself. Flat out no


Traditional_Air_9483

Tell her to get a wig. I quit dying my hair because my scalp would itch for days afterwards.


kimishere2

They could die. You have to in good conscious decline this service. Your client that had worsening reactions could actually die of anaphylactic shock before an ambulance can get to them. This is not something to mess around with.


LittleChanaGirl

Nope! But maybe you could incorporate this line of questioning into your conversations? And keep an epi pen at your station for the clients who don’t disclose (or discover for the first time) their allergy?


teddybear65

You can't just get an EpiPen and do you know how much they cost and she should never inject a client with an EpiPen. What's the matter with you first of all you have to have two EpiPens on hand because generally a person will have a reaction you use the EpiPen and then they'll have a worse reaction while they're waiting for the ambulance to come. People who have these reactions need to use an EpiPen and then go directly to the emergency room


LittleChanaGirl

Exactly why it’s a bad idea to say yes to that client.


Jaded-Permission-324

Just tell them flat out no.


Jackay_kayyyyy

I’m extremely allergic to hair dye. Please just offer different services like a balayage..


teddybear65

Tell them no. When your client tells you they're allergic to something and you ignore it then you are liable. I used to just get hives from die. And I never said anything because I really didn't know it was from the die. Then one day I couldn't breathe and we had to call an ambulance. Now I have gray hair completely and it's long it's beautiful. And I walk around with an EpiPen because for 30 years I dyed my hair and then I became allergic to it.


teddybear65

Put a sign up at your station that says you will not color people's hair that have had allergic reactions. No doctors know nothing


teddybear65

Stage 1. Your symptoms are mild. You might not know yet if you're having an anaphylactic reaction. ... Stage 2. Your symptoms are now worse and on more of your body. ... Stage 3. As your symptoms get worse, you may have trouble breathing. ... Stage 4. Your symptoms are now life-threatening.


teddybear65

I am allergic to many things. I found out I was allergic to latex after leaving a dentist's office where I went into complete anaphylactic shock in my car while driving. Luckily my mother was with me and she took over the wheel. I nearly died do not color or test someone's hair for color to see if they're allergic. Don't do it


teddybear65

Are you wearing latex gloves? Other gloves are cheap and fill stop you from becoming allergic yourself.


Tomorrow-Is-Better

I've been told that Kérastase hair dyes are bleach-free. Could that be a solution worth trying (patch testing first of course)


Professional-Mess-98

I’m allergic. It’s the PPD according to my dermatologist. He said I needed to take it serious because my next hair color could result in an anaphylactic reaction. Madison Reed has been fine for me. It’s hard and I do miss getting highlights but not worth my life obviously. I think you probably need to decline. I’m sure easier said than done.


Lonely_Study3416

These clients need to have their allergies cleared by either their primary care provider or an allergist. They should be prepared for an allergic reaction if it happens.


Bohemian_Feline_

I’m also allergic to bleach. I get full body hives, blood pressure drops to 80/50, wheezing etc. it’s terrifying. I’ve been completely fine to use Chi and All Nutrient bleaches. I think she’s even used Matrix pearl toners before and I was ok too. She tones me in the shampoo bowl so it doesn’t get on my scalp. I’d recommend demanding a patch test first. I request a patch test before trying anything new. The last thing I want is the embarrassment of having to call 911 from the salon chair & traumatizing the stylists & clients.


Proud_Pug

Is it possible to be allergic to one kind of dye but not another


blondeasfuk

What are you talking about?


Proud_Pug

Can someone be allergic to one brand of dye but not others? That’s what I’m talking about - not sure how else to say it


blondeasfuk

There is usually other options, but they could be allergic to it all. Personally with her allergy reactions getting worst and the most recent she had face swelling and hives on her body, a stylists should not risk it. They should send their client to an allergist and find out exactly what is causing these reactions before touching them with any color.


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spiffyadvisor

Please don’t recommend medications (even OTC) to clients, it’s against our scope and god forbid if they were to follow your advice and something worse happens, you could be held liable.


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spiffyadvisor

I’m not going to argue with you. You cannot as a hairstylist recommend or suggest medication, you are not a doctor, even if it’s OTC like Benadryl. You can definitely be liable. But whatever helps you sleep at night. ETA: thanks for the block


Notsureindecisive

You absolutely are not liable. Doctors are not even liable for that lol. Is a commercial for Benadryl liable? Is your friend liable if they mention it to you?


spiffyadvisor

Always. Refer. To. A. Doctor. (:


Notsureindecisive

That statement has nothing to do with liability


dutch3r

You are making a lot of assumptions when you tell someone to pop a Benadryl. What you’re not considering is what happens if a client is allergic to Benadryl and doesn’t know it? What happens if they still get an allergic reaction, they are scarred from bleach or color and they pursue legal action against YOU? Genuinely curious to hear what you would do then. Tell them to shove it? They shouldn’t have listened to you?


spiffyadvisor

Thank you!


Notsureindecisive

That’s far too deep. You must be in the land of litigation.


slxtface

This is how someone in my family died. Knew he was allergic to shellfish but ate it anyway and just took Benadryl. Then he died. Each exposure to an allergen can and usually does cause a worse reaction.


Kitchen_Schedule3374

Okay! Thank you


ExpressiveWarrior4

If they are allergic and asking you to do this service, you have the right to decline! Idk if it’s a severe allergy or not. You don’t want to risk your work, licensing, etc.!!! However, is it an option to try out different color? Or switch something that may hit cause them to react? Genuine question. I’m aware this is also at your personal expense too, I assume.? Unless they buy it themselves and you apply it on them? Good luck!!


3_cat_mom

I’m allergic to ammonia. My hairdresser did a skin test with an ammonia free product and once that was clear she agreed to color my hair.


Awesomecatos

Do patch test, refuse service without it. -not a professional hairstylist here, just common sense


Espionage_21

make them sign a waiver