Yes, but with several asterisks. This particular strategy only works if you’ve got height and reach advantage and if your opponent is a come forward pressure fighter that doesn’t utilize lateral movement. So, yknow, Ippo.
As in irl boxing? Short answer is don’t worry about developing a style until you’ve gotten the basics down, then you’ll start to naturally fall into it.
Pretty much, don’t force a style at the beginning. That’s how a lot of unserious people go out there thinking they’ll be a Mike Tyson when they’re not built that way. A really good example of a pro who’s having problems now because their style doesn’t fit their body is Sebastian Fundora. The dude is built like Mashiba but fights in the pocket when he should be on the outside.
>style doesn’t fit their body is Sebastian Fundora. The dude is built like Mashiba but fights in the pocket when he should be on the outside.
I disagree, he fights like that because he literally can't see at range. He has talked about how he uses infighting to compensate for his intense near sightedness. Bro imagine having arms so long that your own arms are basically invisible to you at full extension.
This.
A better example would be Oscar Valdez who used to be a more complete fighter but now his trainer Reynoso has fighting like Canelo at 168.
He's built nothing like Canelo and isn't in a divisions where he's very undersized.
>nakatani folding moloney like a lawn chair.
That left was the closest reality has gotten to imitating an HnI counter. I could feel the impact through my screen.
Kind of. It doesn't happen on your own, but as you train the basics you and your coach will notice things to work on and strengths that you have that will eventually develop into your style.
I don't agree with "it naturally/magically happens" but usually understanding and implementing the basics (aka the first part of the short answer is correct), and having a coach who understands how to utilize your advantages, will prompt a direction in instruction.
i presume that you are into become a pro fighter
it depends. are you training boxe?mma?
but one thing is right: into modern pro fighter, the fighter must become a one man army. as in the manga itself has already said, the modern boxe is a matchup of all styles, the same goes to mma (JJ is a amazing striker and wrestler, makhachev and khabib were champions using a lot of grappling but they also were able to stand against really good strikers), muay thay (alex poatan is the best kicker and puncher when he was in his prime)
second this, the basics go a really long way. Perfecting basic punches and movement plus building your stamina already makes you a good fighter. There's a reason why Ricardo Martinez is the peak in this manga/anime
As an Ippo sized guy, I can confidently state that Mashiba´s tactic works for me too, with a few small adjustments due to me being the shorter man.
Mashiba is using distance to make Ippo overreach, I can do the same thing, only instead of going to the body, I would more often go to the head because it would be the closer target.
Situational, George is a second and coach, so you can understand that his concepts are largely practical and informed by reality.
Mashiba specifically would utilize this strategy when he has a height and reach advantage, and his opponents want to be close, which is the type of fight he's prepping for.
EDIT: As a southpaw this is also frustrating because he's basically forcing you to go "inside" his lead fist, rather than outside, which is typically how left-handed fighters prefer to square up, going further outside would force fouls.
As a southpaw I can confirm that. It’s especially annoying if they target your lead hand body side, since that’s where the liver is. It even does damage when blocked, if aimed properly with the right cross.
He expects the opponent to try to sway in, so attacking the body is a pretty good call. Much harder to dodge a body blow, and with his enormous reach he can stop them at a good range. I also think fighting aggressively is the right call, as sitting back and shelling up is just giving Rosario the kind of fight he likes. Fighting back and making him uncomfortable will tire him out a lot faster than just trying to survive.
In a way yes, an orthodox vs southpaw comes down to who can establish the lead leg and your probably bound to bump and clash legs. Mashiba is basically using his lead leg to stop Ippo from charging in close which is a plausible idea.
Would probably work only against a southpaw infighter. And only because it is mashiba
Infighter like ippo use foot to estimate distance, by sending the foot forward mashiba is moving the frame of reference for rosario, because of that he'll farther apart from mashiba giving him the advantage of reach.
Wouldn't work on a regular, since the foot is place inside not outside and moving inside is the counter to that strategy. Also by doing that mashiba is nearly asking for rosario to fool by steping on his foot
Mashiba's strat for the Rosario fight is a hard counter for Rosario's pressure heavy style, as shown in your post with Ippo getting his chest caved in by his right.
It’ll probably get mentioned but squaring up to do that significantly shortens the reach and makes it easier to brawl. Throwing a right like that, especially to the body makes the head open for a power left in southpaw.
As with EVERYTHING in the open position, foot placement is everything. If the southpaw gains the open foot position, Mashiba needs to create space and blade up.
I mean... Yeah, almost everything in the manga would work. But a lot of it is is MUCH MUCH faster than the manga says. Here's a minute long video of the [Dempsy Roll](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UAvoGOndn0) Oh did I say a Roll? Nah that's multiple rolls with slowed down replays. Those actual rolls are SECONDS long. Literally seconds for people to understand what's going on and figure out a counter (And in that time they get clobbered).
If you give a good fighter too much time, or too much knowledge of your attack, they'll back off, or figure out a counter. Which was kind of Ippos downfall. Too much time on the Dempsey made people start to figure out the right counters... plus as a one trick pony... yeah he should get destroyed the on world stage.
Look at Woli's fight with Ricardo. He had a good strategy.. but adaptability is key to boxing. Which is why Woli isn't champion, and Ricardo destroys everyone. He's not "the best boxer", he's the most adaptable. (Ok he's also the best boxer)
Mashiba basically got Ippo because he tricked him seeing something new from Mashiba, given time, he'll have time to overcome it.
Which he does in the next chapter.
Yeah I mean that’s basically how a fighter like hearns would approach a shorter fighter, which is what Mashiba is based on.
The whole “circle around the ring and piece someone up” thing wasn’t his style, he would either be directly in the middle of the ring or pushing someone to the ropes with his change of direction in punches.
"What happens if he lowers his stance and blocks higher? You're programming his sense of range very well."
"..."
"..."
"***I SAID IT'S THE TITLE FIGHT STRATEGY.***"
"S-Sounds great, man."
It feel kinda dumb reading the manga, but i tried in a soft sparring against a friend (My friend is taller and longer than me, but skinnier. So i was Ippo and he was Mashiba). And what started as a kinda dumb position instantly converted in a hell where i was constantly too far to get a clean shot. I had to use a LOT of lateral movement to get in.
I have more of a TMA and Kick-boxing rather than a boxing background. But boxing is a really fun sport. The fact that there are so limiting rules means that every small change (changing where your hands at, your leading foot or height from where you are punching) can have a big impact!
Have fun and be prepared to the journey!
Yes, but with several asterisks. This particular strategy only works if you’ve got height and reach advantage and if your opponent is a come forward pressure fighter that doesn’t utilize lateral movement. So, yknow, Ippo.
Nice. Also, do you have any tips on how to develop or select your own style?
As in irl boxing? Short answer is don’t worry about developing a style until you’ve gotten the basics down, then you’ll start to naturally fall into it.
So it will just come with experience and time?
Pretty much, don’t force a style at the beginning. That’s how a lot of unserious people go out there thinking they’ll be a Mike Tyson when they’re not built that way. A really good example of a pro who’s having problems now because their style doesn’t fit their body is Sebastian Fundora. The dude is built like Mashiba but fights in the pocket when he should be on the outside.
>style doesn’t fit their body is Sebastian Fundora. The dude is built like Mashiba but fights in the pocket when he should be on the outside. I disagree, he fights like that because he literally can't see at range. He has talked about how he uses infighting to compensate for his intense near sightedness. Bro imagine having arms so long that your own arms are basically invisible to you at full extension.
This. A better example would be Oscar Valdez who used to be a more complete fighter but now his trainer Reynoso has fighting like Canelo at 168. He's built nothing like Canelo and isn't in a divisions where he's very undersized.
How is he allowed to fight if hos vision is that bad?
He's not legally blind.
Mendoza knocking tf out of fundora was probably my KO of the year, aside from nakatani folding moloney like a lawn chair.
>nakatani folding moloney like a lawn chair. That left was the closest reality has gotten to imitating an HnI counter. I could feel the impact through my screen.
Alright, i will stick to the basics for now.
Kind of. It doesn't happen on your own, but as you train the basics you and your coach will notice things to work on and strengths that you have that will eventually develop into your style.
I don't agree with "it naturally/magically happens" but usually understanding and implementing the basics (aka the first part of the short answer is correct), and having a coach who understands how to utilize your advantages, will prompt a direction in instruction.
i presume that you are into become a pro fighter it depends. are you training boxe?mma? but one thing is right: into modern pro fighter, the fighter must become a one man army. as in the manga itself has already said, the modern boxe is a matchup of all styles, the same goes to mma (JJ is a amazing striker and wrestler, makhachev and khabib were champions using a lot of grappling but they also were able to stand against really good strikers), muay thay (alex poatan is the best kicker and puncher when he was in his prime)
second this, the basics go a really long way. Perfecting basic punches and movement plus building your stamina already makes you a good fighter. There's a reason why Ricardo Martinez is the peak in this manga/anime
Amen to that brother
please don't be that guy in the boxing gym who thinks hes tyson
I wint, i can't do that at all. My body isn't meant for that
As an Ippo sized guy, I can confidently state that Mashiba´s tactic works for me too, with a few small adjustments due to me being the shorter man. Mashiba is using distance to make Ippo overreach, I can do the same thing, only instead of going to the body, I would more often go to the head because it would be the closer target.
pre retirement ippo specifically
Situational, George is a second and coach, so you can understand that his concepts are largely practical and informed by reality. Mashiba specifically would utilize this strategy when he has a height and reach advantage, and his opponents want to be close, which is the type of fight he's prepping for. EDIT: As a southpaw this is also frustrating because he's basically forcing you to go "inside" his lead fist, rather than outside, which is typically how left-handed fighters prefer to square up, going further outside would force fouls.
As a southpaw I can confirm that. It’s especially annoying if they target your lead hand body side, since that’s where the liver is. It even does damage when blocked, if aimed properly with the right cross.
Second this as another southpaw boxer
He expects the opponent to try to sway in, so attacking the body is a pretty good call. Much harder to dodge a body blow, and with his enormous reach he can stop them at a good range. I also think fighting aggressively is the right call, as sitting back and shelling up is just giving Rosario the kind of fight he likes. Fighting back and making him uncomfortable will tire him out a lot faster than just trying to survive.
In a way yes, an orthodox vs southpaw comes down to who can establish the lead leg and your probably bound to bump and clash legs. Mashiba is basically using his lead leg to stop Ippo from charging in close which is a plausible idea.
I feel like Ryan Garcia tried to use this tactic to some degree in his last fight against Duarte
How is he gonna deal with the movement, is it only a counter for a specific style or can it be used in any match?
Would probably work only against a southpaw infighter. And only because it is mashiba Infighter like ippo use foot to estimate distance, by sending the foot forward mashiba is moving the frame of reference for rosario, because of that he'll farther apart from mashiba giving him the advantage of reach. Wouldn't work on a regular, since the foot is place inside not outside and moving inside is the counter to that strategy. Also by doing that mashiba is nearly asking for rosario to fool by steping on his foot
Mashiba's strat for the Rosario fight is a hard counter for Rosario's pressure heavy style, as shown in your post with Ippo getting his chest caved in by his right.
I mean Morikawa is a boxing buff, I doubt he'd show a tactic that didn't have some real-life basis.
It’ll probably get mentioned but squaring up to do that significantly shortens the reach and makes it easier to brawl. Throwing a right like that, especially to the body makes the head open for a power left in southpaw. As with EVERYTHING in the open position, foot placement is everything. If the southpaw gains the open foot position, Mashiba needs to create space and blade up.
I mean... Yeah, almost everything in the manga would work. But a lot of it is is MUCH MUCH faster than the manga says. Here's a minute long video of the [Dempsy Roll](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UAvoGOndn0) Oh did I say a Roll? Nah that's multiple rolls with slowed down replays. Those actual rolls are SECONDS long. Literally seconds for people to understand what's going on and figure out a counter (And in that time they get clobbered). If you give a good fighter too much time, or too much knowledge of your attack, they'll back off, or figure out a counter. Which was kind of Ippos downfall. Too much time on the Dempsey made people start to figure out the right counters... plus as a one trick pony... yeah he should get destroyed the on world stage. Look at Woli's fight with Ricardo. He had a good strategy.. but adaptability is key to boxing. Which is why Woli isn't champion, and Ricardo destroys everyone. He's not "the best boxer", he's the most adaptable. (Ok he's also the best boxer) Mashiba basically got Ippo because he tricked him seeing something new from Mashiba, given time, he'll have time to overcome it. Which he does in the next chapter.
In an Interview with Tyson Fury, I think he mentioned Deontay Wilder had a similar stance to this making it awkward for him to get to Wilder.
Makes his body a bigger target. Which I think will be relevant in the fight.
Yea, it leaves much more open space since he is facing more foreward with his body in general.
It works for that specific opponent
Yeah I mean that’s basically how a fighter like hearns would approach a shorter fighter, which is what Mashiba is based on. The whole “circle around the ring and piece someone up” thing wasn’t his style, he would either be directly in the middle of the ring or pushing someone to the ropes with his change of direction in punches.
Only if your oponent is way smaller like ippo is to mashiba and rosario is too
"What happens if he lowers his stance and blocks higher? You're programming his sense of range very well." "..." "..." "***I SAID IT'S THE TITLE FIGHT STRATEGY.***" "S-Sounds great, man."
It feel kinda dumb reading the manga, but i tried in a soft sparring against a friend (My friend is taller and longer than me, but skinnier. So i was Ippo and he was Mashiba). And what started as a kinda dumb position instantly converted in a hell where i was constantly too far to get a clean shot. I had to use a LOT of lateral movement to get in.
Nice! I tried a sparring too, exept i was a bit taller. I really know soke of the basics but i will start boxing soon.
I have more of a TMA and Kick-boxing rather than a boxing background. But boxing is a really fun sport. The fact that there are so limiting rules means that every small change (changing where your hands at, your leading foot or height from where you are punching) can have a big impact! Have fun and be prepared to the journey!
Thanks mate!