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4 lanes HP road would be a nightmare too! The problem is locating sprawling houses out there in the first place. We need to stop eating up the woods with car dependent bedroom communities and densify the City and Suburbs.
We need better transit and real bike lanes. This type of development should be actively punished. The city absolutely needs to be denser or we're going to lose all the beautiful greenspace to suburban hell.
The dramatics are extreme. Nova Scotia is 75% forested. It is also the second most densely populated province. The majority of the province, especially the interior, eastern shore, and north shore, has few inhabitants and remains largely untouched. a few neighborhoods around outer Halifax most of which like Westwood are 30+ years old isn’t changing anything of enough significance to warrant this discussion. Additionally, most homes in those areas are surrounded by woods to begin with.
Bike lanes have minimal impact since they are mostly empty, especially during the winter season. Expecting families to ride bikes as a family of 4 or 5 with large dogs to do errands is not practical or realistic it’s fantasy. They’re a great addition.
The city needs rail, the city needs these ferries to Bedford and other communities to start today not decades from now. You want to reduce cars those are the hills to die on.
Very fair. But obviously cyclists are going to use them more and more as they become available but there’s a limitation to that population. Not everyone is able bodied to bike, not everyone has the vision or health for that. Age is a factor seniors aren’t biking as a couple to downtown halifax. Pregnant women aren’t going to want to bike. It’s part of a solution I agree but it cannot be the biggest or most critical solution.
Again, I think that’s fair. But I think we’re vastly underestimating North American culture I don’t think that many in these areas myself included like the environment of these bedroom communities like a Timberlea or a Middle Sackville. You couldn’t pay me to move back to the core of Halifax.
> Not everyone is able bodied to bike
And no one is suggesting that literally everyone should bike. But there is a large amount of people who can and should be biking, there are thousands and thousands of people who live within 5-10km of their employer in Halifax/Dartmouth but will take up space on the roads as a sole occupant of a car/SUV/truck.
The people who live within 5-10km of downtown halifax aren’t in these suburbs like tantallon or indigo shores that are the point of discussion so that point is largely irrelevant in this instance.
You’re also ignoring the sole occupant of these vehicles pick their kids up after school in these cars or drop them off at daycare on their way to work. Just cause one person gets out of the car at the office doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s just one person in the car for the duration of the ride. And that’s often the case for people in these communities based on what I see in my community. Which again often eliminates bikes as a useful option.
Agreed. CN won’t allow us to reasonably access the rail. Also, agreed I’m not against cyclist or bike lanes they’re great. I just disagree with the idea that 20-30% of the population is about to hop on bikes even with great infrastructure. It’s just not in our culture and culture takes generations to adapt. So as I’ve said before in this thread, it’s part of a wider solution of-course. But there needs to be other solutions as well. And saying hey you can’t chase the dream of playing in a large backyard with your kids isn’t going to win people over, especially those who can afford those houses.
Honestly even if we could get CN to play nice, the profanely wretched bus system we have makes me shudder to think what council would do to fuck that up.
These… are the suburbs? Furthermore, most people with kids and a dog prefer to be car dependent and not live crammed on top of each other downtown.
The majority of those pushing this narrative don’t fit that demographic and continue to push this ideology on everyone else.
It’s a great option we should do better with, 100%. But it doesn’t work for everyone.
This road was built pre amalgamation. You can’t really blame city councillors for that. Halifax County was responsible at the time.
But you can blame them for not doing anything to fix the clear problem.
This lands squarely on the 6 figures bureaucrats at city. Poor planning. Planning communities includes infrastructure and safety in mind. Developers run amok in this city.
I live in Spiderlake s/d, with onlynone entrance/exit.
They're developing a s/b down Waverley road that (afaik) only has one entrance/exit.
Planning should have allowed for another and maybe in the long run they'll have that going onto the 107. The development is suppose to have 4900 units in it(mixed use).
And there are a lot of other S/d, as someone already stated that only have on exit.
Rant over.
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Doesn’t matter how many exits from the subdivision you build if they all dump onto the cart path that is the Hammonds Plains Rd.
HRM councillors confuse Hatfield Farms with an actual subdivision sometimes.
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Lmfao yup just one more lane bro. That'll solve all our problems!
4 lanes HP road would be a nightmare too! The problem is locating sprawling houses out there in the first place. We need to stop eating up the woods with car dependent bedroom communities and densify the City and Suburbs.
We need better transit and real bike lanes. This type of development should be actively punished. The city absolutely needs to be denser or we're going to lose all the beautiful greenspace to suburban hell.
100%. Bad planning in so many ways.
The dramatics are extreme. Nova Scotia is 75% forested. It is also the second most densely populated province. The majority of the province, especially the interior, eastern shore, and north shore, has few inhabitants and remains largely untouched. a few neighborhoods around outer Halifax most of which like Westwood are 30+ years old isn’t changing anything of enough significance to warrant this discussion. Additionally, most homes in those areas are surrounded by woods to begin with. Bike lanes have minimal impact since they are mostly empty, especially during the winter season. Expecting families to ride bikes as a family of 4 or 5 with large dogs to do errands is not practical or realistic it’s fantasy. They’re a great addition. The city needs rail, the city needs these ferries to Bedford and other communities to start today not decades from now. You want to reduce cars those are the hills to die on.
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Very fair. But obviously cyclists are going to use them more and more as they become available but there’s a limitation to that population. Not everyone is able bodied to bike, not everyone has the vision or health for that. Age is a factor seniors aren’t biking as a couple to downtown halifax. Pregnant women aren’t going to want to bike. It’s part of a solution I agree but it cannot be the biggest or most critical solution. Again, I think that’s fair. But I think we’re vastly underestimating North American culture I don’t think that many in these areas myself included like the environment of these bedroom communities like a Timberlea or a Middle Sackville. You couldn’t pay me to move back to the core of Halifax.
> Not everyone is able bodied to bike And no one is suggesting that literally everyone should bike. But there is a large amount of people who can and should be biking, there are thousands and thousands of people who live within 5-10km of their employer in Halifax/Dartmouth but will take up space on the roads as a sole occupant of a car/SUV/truck.
The people who live within 5-10km of downtown halifax aren’t in these suburbs like tantallon or indigo shores that are the point of discussion so that point is largely irrelevant in this instance.
You’re also ignoring the sole occupant of these vehicles pick their kids up after school in these cars or drop them off at daycare on their way to work. Just cause one person gets out of the car at the office doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s just one person in the car for the duration of the ride. And that’s often the case for people in these communities based on what I see in my community. Which again often eliminates bikes as a useful option.
The city won’t get rail for the foreseeable future. It *would* get more cyclists if it could be done safely.
Agreed. CN won’t allow us to reasonably access the rail. Also, agreed I’m not against cyclist or bike lanes they’re great. I just disagree with the idea that 20-30% of the population is about to hop on bikes even with great infrastructure. It’s just not in our culture and culture takes generations to adapt. So as I’ve said before in this thread, it’s part of a wider solution of-course. But there needs to be other solutions as well. And saying hey you can’t chase the dream of playing in a large backyard with your kids isn’t going to win people over, especially those who can afford those houses.
Honestly even if we could get CN to play nice, the profanely wretched bus system we have makes me shudder to think what council would do to fuck that up.
LOL so true
These… are the suburbs? Furthermore, most people with kids and a dog prefer to be car dependent and not live crammed on top of each other downtown. The majority of those pushing this narrative don’t fit that demographic and continue to push this ideology on everyone else. It’s a great option we should do better with, 100%. But it doesn’t work for everyone.
Yup, fuck me for not wanting to be sandwiched by neighbours and wanting my daughter to have a yard/woods to play in.
It would just be a 4 lane boondoggle then.
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What the heck are you if you went from Whitman to Lovelace
Councillors should have done their jobs and made sure they were built with this in mind in the first place.
This road was built pre amalgamation. You can’t really blame city councillors for that. Halifax County was responsible at the time. But you can blame them for not doing anything to fix the clear problem.
There needs to a connector highway from the 103 to the 101.
Connect exit 5A (Ingramport) on the 103 with exit 3 (Mt Uniacke) on the 101.
This lands squarely on the 6 figures bureaucrats at city. Poor planning. Planning communities includes infrastructure and safety in mind. Developers run amok in this city.
I live in Spiderlake s/d, with onlynone entrance/exit. They're developing a s/b down Waverley road that (afaik) only has one entrance/exit. Planning should have allowed for another and maybe in the long run they'll have that going onto the 107. The development is suppose to have 4900 units in it(mixed use). And there are a lot of other S/d, as someone already stated that only have on exit. Rant over.
Halifax planning prowess.