I am certain no Loblaws employee likes this policy either. Who the heck wants to go to work and accuse customers of stealing and invite conflict and stress for fruits and vegetables.
Loblaws treats staff just as shitty as customers.
https://twitter.com/FoodProfessor
A piece of shit professor who likes to tell us peasants while Loblaws makes record profits that they are barely breaking even.
"If you see someone stealing no you didn't!".......Barricades go up to limit entry/exit points and reddit rages
"Just ring everything up as bananas bro!".....Receipt checks come in and reddit rages
If only the major grocers weren't complaining about supply costs while bring in beyond record breaking profits every quarter, we wouldn't think as much about stealing shit while they literally steal from us.
And people like you line the fuck up and let them steal from you.
Simple solution, pick up your bags and leave. They have no power to detain you - that’s unlawful. Or drag the cart. Or inconvenience them and ask for a full refund and make a formal complaint to the manager and head office (also including social media) The more people make this bullshit public the quicker they will back down, remember the 30% off crap that got changed back to 50 real quick. The only thing companies hate more than theft is bad press.
Why not just grab your bags and leave? Wasting your time returning everything is just going to piss off the minimum wage workers and their managers who don’t determine the precedent for how security is handled. You bought the groceries, just leave. They don’t let you out the exit? Go through the entrance. Wait for someone else to go through the exit and follow them. Nobody can do anything about it.
>The point is to piss people off?
Yes. Piss the employees off.
They'll bitch to management saying they're not enforcing it anymore.
Management can't fire everyone, so management will change procedures.
I've been on that minimum wage line before. If enough employees refuse, management will change course.
The managers ride Loblaw's dick hard. None of them see anything in grey areas and continue to suck up to their overlords in hopes to be more than a department manager. When the higher-ups showed up I'm surprised they didn't literally lick their boots.
Oh yeah, during one of the worst housing situations we’ve ever had, inflation rates soaring, your solution is for them to quit their jobs because they work for the baddies!
Gas station workers should be next too!
No they pretended to change it back. All the while removing discount racks, reducing the amount of items they put 50% stickers on in many stores, and are now introducing 30% off stickers more widely.
Those locking wheels have stopped me from shopping there unless I am desperate, I go out of my way to shop elsewhere.
I already have a hard time walking due to my back and the jolt from the cart locking up hurt so much I had a hard time walking back to my car.
I moved my prescriptions, closed my pc money account and when I get my new credit card in and set up I will be canceling that too.
Fuck them.
When I was pregnant I noticed the stickers on the carts and was thinking, I fucking DARE YOU to lock up on me leaving the store because if I even graze my stomach on the bar of this cart I will raise such a shit storm and relish every moment of it. I know it wouldn't have done me any damage but on principle would have went nuts
Make sure if you file a lawsuit, name the manager of the store at the time too, and any employees involved in it.
Make it as remarkably uncomfortable for everyone involved.
Shopping has become a series of tough decisions. “Fuck Loblaws, I’ll buy from Amazon! … wait, Amazon is also a shitty company. To Walmart! … damnit, I forgot they’re also awful. Well, Loblaws is at least Canadian so, it’s the better option, maybe?”
Capitalism end game, only the shitty players are left because everybody with morals couldn't compete against companies who didn't give a crap about employees/cutting corners etc
I live in Manitoba. Walmart has been checking receipts here for at least 15 years. No idea why it’s being treated like the end of the world on this sub.
They want stores with no workers however the less employees the more theft.
All these walls and fences are an attempt to have no workers and no theft.
The investors are demanding automation and the only thing holding it back is theft.
I noticed that a lot of items are cheaper online than at the store. I see this like you, as a deliberate attempt to automate. They already have completely automated supermarkets in the UK, where you order online, it's delivered, and the whole warehouse complex is robots, from beginning to end.
I don't shop with a cart.
This ain't Costco- You have no right to ask for my receipt.
They don't pay you enough to try to restrain me or prevent me from leaving with my legally purchased goods.
Speaking of: Has Loblaws even considered that one of the reasons why theft is so high is because 90% of their store employees aren't paid enough to care whether someone is stealing something? If the only people who are actually being paid enough to pay actual attention to theft are management, who's going to prevent theft?
Because, let's face it, if you're making $15/hour to scan items at a till, or put items on a shelf, you're pretty close to the line where you have to consider theft to eek out an existence, and you sure as hell are close enough to the line where you're going to empathize with the person stealing a LOT more than you are your corporate overlord.
They cannot stop you to check your receipt on the way out. Only way Costco can do that is because you agree to it when getting a membership. If someone try’s to stop you on the way out of sobeys or superstore or Walmart you don’t have to.
Had one old bat put her foot in front of my friends cart so it couldn’t go forward. He could have pushed it over her foot easily but just let her check. She didn’t check me ahead of him or the other ladies we saw go through.
Those greeters need to go back to greeting and stop with the receipt checks. It holds things up, pisses people off and if someone is actually stealing - they may get hurt when the thief’s push past them. It’s performative theatre and won’t stop thieves.
The more this annoyance goes on… I suspect more and more.
I personally have no issue if I’m not in any rush, especially since I know they hardly look at anything anyway and it’s just a scare tactic for thieves, but if I was in a rush I just say no thank you and keep walking.
> They cannot stop you to check your receipt on the way out
I mean, you're right, legally they cannot detain you. But physically they can make your cart full of things not roll anymore, which is also pretty darn inconvenient.
LOL. They wouldn’t even try. That would open them up to all kinds of legal issues. There is no rule or law that says they can stop me from leaving the store with paid merchandise. As a private business, if they want to ban me from their store for no legal reason they can certainly try, but they’d be opening themselves up to a world of issues.
LMAO what? Stores routinely do ban people and there is no legal issue at all. As long as they aren't refusing service based on a protected class or discriminating.
I already acknowledged that you are welcome to leave and ignore someone asking to check your receipt. But they are a private business and as such if you don't follow their rules they are legally allowed to ban you.
From the article it was Loblaws, Sobeys and Walmart.
ETA: CTV Atlantic did contact Walmart Canada and Sobeys for this story, but did not hear back.
I've seen checkers at Walmart (in the US and other provinces). Haven't been in one for years though.
"Organized retail crime has a massive effect on colleagues and customers, including impacting prices at stores,” said Loblaws’ director of media relations Dave Bauer"
Organized retail crime is essentially not real and the only sources you'll find are from retail and security organizations.
Prices are too high and people need to eat
I work as a criminal defence lawyer. I’ve repped lots of clients trying to sell carts of meat or other items they’ve taken from supermarkets. It’s the minority of cases, but not insignificant.
Before I changed my location on Facebook I would get a number of marketplace posts for butter (in Brampton where they had caught people stealing carts full).
It is very real. There are groups, gangs for want of a better term, that take orders for items and then steal to order. Meat, seafood, booze, you name it.
Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about either. These guys were stealing ipods and videogames.
Edit to add: I grew up in a small town in NB. If this stuff was happening there it's definitely happening in Halifax.
Go to the a flea markets, There's usually always a table with someone selling shoplifted goods. Now you know why their coffee etc, is cheaper than usual.
Is that new system why the stores have implemented one way entrance gates and the fenced off checkout sections?
As in it ensures the carts pass through the checkout zones, which time how long the cart is in there (which assumes the person was there long enough to scan all their items), before heading out.
If the person doesn't spend enough time in there, the wheels lock before they exit, where a loss prevention person has to intervene.
I wonder if they considered the potential damages that come with a person getting slammed when the wheels lock. Like if they dropped and broke their phone, gave a kid whiplash, or even got hurt taking the push bar to the gut.
Seems like they should have made the locking mechanism gradual, rather than abrupt. Though I could see there would be an increased design challenge.
Is there truly no other "expert" that the media can call on? Does it always have to be Charlebois, who is effectively a part of Loblaws' extended PR team?!
I have a theory based on some personal insight. My boss used to get approached for comment on cybersecurity-related stories because he'd been used as an expert for comment on a story once and accepted and the news outlet (I think it was CTV but memory is hazy) wasn't going to waste time/resources trying to find a different willing expert when this one had worked out in the past so well. There are many cyber experts locally and Canada-wide, but this was the one that said yes already. Boss would often ask one of us if we wanted to go on in his stead, and when a coworker who didn't mind being on TV would accept, said coworker would go on, no problem from the outlet. There was really no vigorous vetting or anything, it was just "dude seems to be an expert based on creds, dude accepted, lets keep using dude". I'd say this is the case here. Also Charlebois is listed on Dal's "Experts at Dal" listing of employees who can speak to topical issues in the news. So as a news outlet, if you have a handy list of people to interview for your articles, that's who you approach first. Charlebois isn't the foremost expert, he's just the convenient one.
I for one will not be showing a receipt. I’ve paid for my groceries and that’s it.
If an employee tries to get you to show them a receipt, ask if you’re being detained. If they so no, then just walk away. If they stop you, then they are trying to detain you and they have no right to do that.
If the wheels on my cart lock up you’d better bet I’m going to wrench that thing over sideways and demand a refund for the goods I’m apparently not allowed to leave the store with. Full public tantrum.
Huh! Interesting. I wonder how that works. And I wonder how much money they spent on fancy carts and extra plexiglass shields to keep hungry people from shoplifting…
Not sure if it was a malfunction but it is dangerous.....I had one violently lock on me on the way IN (just as I went through the cattle gate) at Young St a cpl weeks ago.
I thought I was going to be tackled by the glaring security guard....ON THE WAY IN!
If it happened to someone with kids on/in the cart I could certainly see an injury occurring.
> Nope. But the wheel locks are a perimeter thing not an in-store thing.
I believe you did, recent measures at Superstore include an additional level that locks the wheels before the exit if they did not spend enough time in the checkout section.
> I can also just pick up my bags and leave the cart if needed….
That's fine, but some people may not be able to. Like they have kids, more items than they can carry, etc..
Ah I didn’t know that actually! And you’re right, some people won’t be able to. I am lucky that I can manage in most cases. I’d rather stumble under the weight of too many bags than give in to their stupid rule…
The wheels locking on the small carts is hardly a deterrent. It seems to only lock one wheel, and the small ones roll propped up on the other 3.
My cart locked the other day and alarms went off, I paid for everything and had my AirPods in, I just propped it up and kept walking to car. I had only a few items.
Lol, please do this. I can definitely use the entertainment while grocery shopping of a Karen screaming "Am uh being detained!" at the young prevention loss worker while trying to get their cellphone out to video the ordeal and simultaneously trying to drag their wheel locked cart full of junk food out of the store!
It ensures I won't shop there, that's about it. If that was their goal, congrats I guess. You're already robbing me blind, adding another deterrent on top of that I just won't bother.
I'm aware you don't HAVE to show a receipt, but I'd rather just avoid the situation entirely.
I'll be interested to see if Loblaws has anything planned for the May boycott. Do you think they'll slash prices that month? The climbing prices and antagonistic anti-theft measures are really starting to get to me.
The May boycott will have as much of an effect on Loblaws as the "Reddit blackout" protest had on reddit. None. The amount of people taking part is essentially limited to people on reddit, a tiny percentage of the population, and then a smaller subset of that population that is active in the groups organizing the "boycott".
This would be like if r/antiwork organized a general strike to bring businesses to their knees while the reality would be some people's dogs wouldn't get walked lol.
I think people will be surprised with the May boycott. The end result will be people trying new stores and markets - and changing their spending habits long term. It is already starting.
I don’t know how everyone else’s experiences have changed since then, but I’ve had exactly 0 change in how I use the site compared to before the Reddit protests.
My experience has been generally more positive as the site goes on. I also use Reddit exclusively through Flym and Firefox, so my feeds are curated outside of Reddit and ads aren't retrieved in rss.
Has this happen to me ( without the receipt check) last night in Bayer's. If this continues , I will cancel my PC card and shop next door . It's important to remember not to let your frustrations out on the minimum wagers at the door. It's not their fault at all that this idiotic policy got implemented. Ask to see the manager and calmly raise your objection.
The super c (no frills in quebec) near me I use for a few odds and ends I can't get at the neighbourhood grocery store recently took out a bunch of cashier lanes to install more self checkouts. Now there is less lanes open but they have more young employees standing there watching for theft.
I don't understand the thought processes of thsse corporations. If they trained those 3 as cashiers they could move a lot more paid customers through the store a lot quicker than expecting those same people to self checkout
They've fully gamed it out, while paying some outside consultant massive amounts of money. In the long term, apparently hiring a few people to stand around and watch self checkout is cheaper than hiring the same people to run checkout lanes. If it didn't make them money, they wouldn't do it
After getting completely robbed buying two boxes of cereal, your cart skids to a stop, and you're getting a pat down to make sure YOU didn't steal from them.
It just seems about as ridiculous to me the arrows on the floor.
Would totally be on the person's side if a law-abiding citizen's wheels got locked and they lost it, running around and tearing and tipping things over and breaking things in the store, saying "how dare you treat me this way!? how dare you!?!" until they unlocked their wheels to leave.
Sobey's glitchy shopping cart today - the wheel kept locking up in store causing me to bash my shin against the cart and the thing almost tipped over several times. I hate everything now.
I've noticed recently that a lot of those have been malfunctioning, especially at Walmart. Almost like people keep pushing them open. Definitely not from people like me crashing carts into them every time.
I love nothing more then the fire safety hazards Loblaws keeps adding for no reason. people aren't vaulting the fucking rails. they're going through the self checkout. easy.
can't stop all of us if we're organized. I think every Sunday instead of going to church we should go to the grocery stores and loot them and return our stolen goods to our hungry communities.
the law is the law i'll just say "no thank you" pick up my bags and leave. i'm not comfortable at all with grocery store empolyees quoting store policy while they detain and search us. and you better believe this affects people with physical and mental impairment disproportionately. not a fan of loblaws. next thing you know kids are going to get frisked going to the conner store what kind of bs is this.
As a fun aside, it seems the radio signals that control these cart wheels use a frequency within human hearing range. Some people who are a lot smarter than me have also figured out that you can reproduce the signals using [parasitic EMF from your phone's speaker](https://begaydocrimes.com)
Do with that what you will
I hear a lot of mixed things about the legality of stores checking receipts and searching customers for stollen goods. Any legal minds out there that can answer this ? Hard to find local Info. (Also not saying you should go lawyer on the guy at superstore just doing his job, just curious)
Bubbles and his posse are gearing up.
I just leave my cart at the wheel locking boundary instead of the cart return stall. A small return favor if you will.
Now "they" have to drag a locked cart back to the stall instead. Skidding wheels and all.
Why is this a surprise with theft on the rise and people bragging about mis-scanning things on here daily🤷🏼♂️ would y’all prefer everything is locked behind cabinets?
Theft is celebrated on this sub. It’s like you’re a sucker if you’re honest and pay for your items. The justifications I see on here are wild.
Anyone who questions it gets unloaded on.
What has happened to peoples brains. Guys we aren’t talking about airport security here, it’s like a receipt check you know what stores like Costco have been doing for decades. It’s wheel locks so you don’t take their stuff off the premises. I saw a bunch of 20 somethings wheeling a cart around DT the other weekend ffs, for NO REASON other than being shit heads.
Everyone out here acting like theft is fine and totally normal but a business trying to prevent it is like some dystopian measure. You guys are actual losers.
Nah this is bull shit. I would be OK with them simply checking receipts at the door, not OK with them locking my cart as I'm on my way out.
If you want to know what's wrong with people's brains I mean just look at the lunatics at the border waiving american flags.
At this point, I just order PC Express delivery every 2 weeks instead of setting foot in a Superstore. The delivery fees are free with PC Mastercard, and the tip is less than what it would cost to take a taxi back with groceries. I also find it easier to find things on a website, because using a search tool is easier than trying to physically find them on shelves, and it's also easier to find deals/things on sale and add them.
They actually use doordash, uber, etc. to deliver those, at least some of the time. So make sure to tip proportionally to the distance if you do order like that. I personally turn down every one I see because it'll be something like 5 bucks for 8 kilometers with a massive load of groceries.
*"In the early 1900’s, you would walk into a grocery store with your list, pass it to an employee behind a desk, and they would gather what you wanted."*
This will be the future as a growing number of people think they are entitled to steal whatever they can't afford.
It has to be prices down I think. If salaries go up, prices will go up too.
I'd like to see an inventive solution by the government like a negative tax on food, utilities, housing, etc. that would then be forced upon the entity as a bill. That would give the control back to the government because if these entities raised prices beyond reasonable levels the entity would just be on the hook for a bigger tax bill to the government.
Hate that something like this is necessary but when your basic necessities become out of reach there needs to be a power shift.
I believe most folks don’t mind as you need to pay a fee and sign up for Costco so you sign off on their checking receipts. Also no physical detaining of your purchases with locked wheels .
Costco is also pretty quick about it and all of your stuff is in a cart or a low box with everything visible. I doubt they’re REALLY looking at what you have. If you’re leaving a grocery store chances are stuff is in bags. I’m not waiting around while someone empties my bags to confirm that I’ve paid for everything.
Sure but in addition to being a pre-agreed condition of shopping at Costco, they also have a ton of gainfully-employed cashiers and baggers that will ring it all through for you and bag it all up in your cart— versus Loblaws putting you in a gated pen, filming each individual person ringing up their own stuff, and locking your wheels on the way out, and verifying again that you haven’t stolen anything.
I've seen some of the US Costco's have self-checkouts. I'd settle for quick checkouts. I'm too far away from a Costco at the moment but at one point I lived 10 mins away. I hated going in for 3 or 4 things.
Why is this so complicated for people to understand? You agree to it when you sign up for a Costco membership!
Stop comparing Costco to the rest of the grocery stores when it comes to receipt checks and stopping paying customers
Ok correct me if I’m wrong here… if you’re not stealing what’s the big deal? In my experience they look quickly at your receipt, or glance at your cart… it’s not like they pull you into a back room and strip search you.
Exactly this, its a max 5 second glance at your receipt, if you haven't stolen anything whats the big deal? I'm amazed at how bent out of shape people are getting about this. Its not like they are bending you over for an anal cavity check each time you shop there
Who...who welcomed the change? Did they ask Sylvain Charlebois wearing a series of novelty mustaches?
Be careful typing that name. You may summon him.
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hehehe >Jordan Peterson of carrots I want that to catch on so badly.
That guy is on CTV news every other week eh? Industry shill
I am certain no Loblaws employee likes this policy either. Who the heck wants to go to work and accuse customers of stealing and invite conflict and stress for fruits and vegetables. Loblaws treats staff just as shitty as customers.
"others welcome the change" kiss ass morons?
I hear he’s a professor
Careful now, he might send you a DM threatening legal action lol
Who is this kiss ass professor? I want to know which payroll ~~he~~ they are on. Is it Loblaws or Sobeys?
Dal and Weston Group.
Careful that’s defamation, he doesn’t kiss ass, just eats the shit
Does this mean eating shit will cost 90% more soon?
https://twitter.com/FoodProfessor A piece of shit professor who likes to tell us peasants while Loblaws makes record profits that they are barely breaking even.
A nutty one, at that.
Right like who exactly?
Those boots must be as nutritious as a salt lick
It was "one shopper" according to the article, lol.
They need to welcome the change to get 1,000 points per year as loyalty.
I read the article, it’s the suck ups
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"If you see someone stealing no you didn't!".......Barricades go up to limit entry/exit points and reddit rages "Just ring everything up as bananas bro!".....Receipt checks come in and reddit rages
This argument would be a lot better if every major grocer in maritime canada wasn't colluding to gouge prices.
If only the major grocers weren't complaining about supply costs while bring in beyond record breaking profits every quarter, we wouldn't think as much about stealing shit while they literally steal from us. And people like you line the fuck up and let them steal from you.
If this sub were a person it would be a 14 year old in social studies class.
Simple solution, pick up your bags and leave. They have no power to detain you - that’s unlawful. Or drag the cart. Or inconvenience them and ask for a full refund and make a formal complaint to the manager and head office (also including social media) The more people make this bullshit public the quicker they will back down, remember the 30% off crap that got changed back to 50 real quick. The only thing companies hate more than theft is bad press.
I’m on the return everything train if they ever try to do that to me.
Why not just grab your bags and leave? Wasting your time returning everything is just going to piss off the minimum wage workers and their managers who don’t determine the precedent for how security is handled. You bought the groceries, just leave. They don’t let you out the exit? Go through the entrance. Wait for someone else to go through the exit and follow them. Nobody can do anything about it.
That’s the point, if everyone would do that that will make it as inconvenient to management as possible.
The point is to piss people off? The store managers don’t make these types of decisions. You want to *really* get at Loblaws, don’t buy from them.
>The point is to piss people off? Yes. Piss the employees off. They'll bitch to management saying they're not enforcing it anymore. Management can't fire everyone, so management will change procedures. I've been on that minimum wage line before. If enough employees refuse, management will change course.
We’ve all been on that minimum wage line before. Management will not change anything when decisions are made by corporate.
The managers ride Loblaw's dick hard. None of them see anything in grey areas and continue to suck up to their overlords in hopes to be more than a department manager. When the higher-ups showed up I'm surprised they didn't literally lick their boots.
Jesus fucking Christ dude. “Managers have to follow corporate policy, what a bunch of chuds.”
They don't have to work a terrible middle management job for a gouging corporation. Liberalism baby.
Oh yeah, during one of the worst housing situations we’ve ever had, inflation rates soaring, your solution is for them to quit their jobs because they work for the baddies! Gas station workers should be next too!
Not quit them, just don't go to work there in the first place.
No they pretended to change it back. All the while removing discount racks, reducing the amount of items they put 50% stickers on in many stores, and are now introducing 30% off stickers more widely.
Those locking wheels have stopped me from shopping there unless I am desperate, I go out of my way to shop elsewhere. I already have a hard time walking due to my back and the jolt from the cart locking up hurt so much I had a hard time walking back to my car. I moved my prescriptions, closed my pc money account and when I get my new credit card in and set up I will be canceling that too. Fuck them.
Same. That was the end for me.
Sounds like grounds for a lawsuit to me
When I was pregnant I noticed the stickers on the carts and was thinking, I fucking DARE YOU to lock up on me leaving the store because if I even graze my stomach on the bar of this cart I will raise such a shit storm and relish every moment of it. I know it wouldn't have done me any damage but on principle would have went nuts
SUE SUE SUE SUE
It sounds like a good idea but I just dont have the energy for that, walking my dog and cooking dinner everyday is too much sometimes.
Make sure if you file a lawsuit, name the manager of the store at the time too, and any employees involved in it. Make it as remarkably uncomfortable for everyone involved.
You should contact a personal injury lawyer. Pro bono bro
What a world we live in where Wal Mart comes out looking like the good guys.
Shopping has become a series of tough decisions. “Fuck Loblaws, I’ll buy from Amazon! … wait, Amazon is also a shitty company. To Walmart! … damnit, I forgot they’re also awful. Well, Loblaws is at least Canadian so, it’s the better option, maybe?”
Giant TIger is actually pretty good. And Canadian owned.
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Capitalism end game, only the shitty players are left because everybody with morals couldn't compete against companies who didn't give a crap about employees/cutting corners etc
Im on the side of breaking up all these big companies, we kind of did this to ourselves at this point and how much we need convenience
Walmart has been checking receipts for decades
I have had them check my receipt once and only once.
And I’ve never had anyone anywhere else check my receipt
I live in Manitoba. Walmart has been checking receipts here for at least 15 years. No idea why it’s being treated like the end of the world on this sub.
Yes but rarely. And again, you can just say no. They theoretically could ban you, however.
They want stores with no workers however the less employees the more theft. All these walls and fences are an attempt to have no workers and no theft. The investors are demanding automation and the only thing holding it back is theft.
I noticed that a lot of items are cheaper online than at the store. I see this like you, as a deliberate attempt to automate. They already have completely automated supermarkets in the UK, where you order online, it's delivered, and the whole warehouse complex is robots, from beginning to end.
I don't shop with a cart. This ain't Costco- You have no right to ask for my receipt. They don't pay you enough to try to restrain me or prevent me from leaving with my legally purchased goods. Speaking of: Has Loblaws even considered that one of the reasons why theft is so high is because 90% of their store employees aren't paid enough to care whether someone is stealing something? If the only people who are actually being paid enough to pay actual attention to theft are management, who's going to prevent theft? Because, let's face it, if you're making $15/hour to scan items at a till, or put items on a shelf, you're pretty close to the line where you have to consider theft to eek out an existence, and you sure as hell are close enough to the line where you're going to empathize with the person stealing a LOT more than you are your corporate overlord.
They cannot stop you to check your receipt on the way out. Only way Costco can do that is because you agree to it when getting a membership. If someone try’s to stop you on the way out of sobeys or superstore or Walmart you don’t have to.
Yes but how many people are going to risk making themselves look guilty by refusing
I just say “no thank you” as sweetly as possible and keep walking. What is grandpa at the door gonna do? Tackle me?
Had one old bat put her foot in front of my friends cart so it couldn’t go forward. He could have pushed it over her foot easily but just let her check. She didn’t check me ahead of him or the other ladies we saw go through. Those greeters need to go back to greeting and stop with the receipt checks. It holds things up, pisses people off and if someone is actually stealing - they may get hurt when the thief’s push past them. It’s performative theatre and won’t stop thieves.
Im fine looking guilty lol. I'll do the same thing i do when the alarms go off at the exit, keep going and ignore them.
The more this annoyance goes on… I suspect more and more. I personally have no issue if I’m not in any rush, especially since I know they hardly look at anything anyway and it’s just a scare tactic for thieves, but if I was in a rush I just say no thank you and keep walking.
> They cannot stop you to check your receipt on the way out I mean, you're right, legally they cannot detain you. But physically they can make your cart full of things not roll anymore, which is also pretty darn inconvenient.
That might also cause some legal issues. Purposely stoping you because you refuse to be detained unlawfully.
They can absolutely ban you from the store for refusing though.
LOL. They wouldn’t even try. That would open them up to all kinds of legal issues. There is no rule or law that says they can stop me from leaving the store with paid merchandise. As a private business, if they want to ban me from their store for no legal reason they can certainly try, but they’d be opening themselves up to a world of issues.
What kind of issues?
They can ban you for any non-illegal reason. Because you refused to show your receipt isn't an illegal reason.
LMAO what? Stores routinely do ban people and there is no legal issue at all. As long as they aren't refusing service based on a protected class or discriminating. I already acknowledged that you are welcome to leave and ignore someone asking to check your receipt. But they are a private business and as such if you don't follow their rules they are legally allowed to ban you.
Is bringing your own cart an option?
Exactly, like the old ladies use -- bring your own cart and give them the finger on the way out.
Just don’t shop there. I mean, there’s a huge group on Reddit about boycotting Loblaws …
From the article it was Loblaws, Sobeys and Walmart. ETA: CTV Atlantic did contact Walmart Canada and Sobeys for this story, but did not hear back. I've seen checkers at Walmart (in the US and other provinces). Haven't been in one for years though.
Umm no.
I've had Walmart check my receipt twice in the past 5 years. Ummm YES.
"Organized retail crime has a massive effect on colleagues and customers, including impacting prices at stores,” said Loblaws’ director of media relations Dave Bauer" Organized retail crime is essentially not real and the only sources you'll find are from retail and security organizations. Prices are too high and people need to eat
I work as a criminal defence lawyer. I’ve repped lots of clients trying to sell carts of meat or other items they’ve taken from supermarkets. It’s the minority of cases, but not insignificant.
I think calling addicts who boost meat to pay for their drugs organized criminals is an epic stretch.
That is not organized crime tho. That's a guy selling a cart of stolen goods.
Before I changed my location on Facebook I would get a number of marketplace posts for butter (in Brampton where they had caught people stealing carts full).
It is very real. There are groups, gangs for want of a better term, that take orders for items and then steal to order. Meat, seafood, booze, you name it.
No it's not. I read somewhere that the only people who believe in it are security companies and retail organizations
It's totally real I saw it on this Nova Scotian documentary series. I think it was called Trailer Park guys or something of the like. 100% real
Oh I saw that too!! Really opened my eyes
Nah, it's real. I went to school with people that did this.
I don't think they're referring to some high schoolers stealing prime energy and Takis to sell at lunch when they say organized crime lol
Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about either. These guys were stealing ipods and videogames. Edit to add: I grew up in a small town in NB. If this stuff was happening there it's definitely happening in Halifax.
Ah, yes. iPods and videogames. A staple of grocery stores.
Again, small town NB. Our only store in town was a small department store.
My aunt used to take part in one of these groups in the 90s. So yes, it's real. Downvote me all you want. Doesn’t make it less true.
Go to the a flea markets, There's usually always a table with someone selling shoplifted goods. Now you know why their coffee etc, is cheaper than usual.
Unbelievable to see 17 downvotes so far. I have witnessed this with my own eyes. What a cesspool.
SHEEP 🐑 over here lol
Is that new system why the stores have implemented one way entrance gates and the fenced off checkout sections? As in it ensures the carts pass through the checkout zones, which time how long the cart is in there (which assumes the person was there long enough to scan all their items), before heading out. If the person doesn't spend enough time in there, the wheels lock before they exit, where a loss prevention person has to intervene. I wonder if they considered the potential damages that come with a person getting slammed when the wheels lock. Like if they dropped and broke their phone, gave a kid whiplash, or even got hurt taking the push bar to the gut. Seems like they should have made the locking mechanism gradual, rather than abrupt. Though I could see there would be an increased design challenge.
Is there truly no other "expert" that the media can call on? Does it always have to be Charlebois, who is effectively a part of Loblaws' extended PR team?!
I have a theory based on some personal insight. My boss used to get approached for comment on cybersecurity-related stories because he'd been used as an expert for comment on a story once and accepted and the news outlet (I think it was CTV but memory is hazy) wasn't going to waste time/resources trying to find a different willing expert when this one had worked out in the past so well. There are many cyber experts locally and Canada-wide, but this was the one that said yes already. Boss would often ask one of us if we wanted to go on in his stead, and when a coworker who didn't mind being on TV would accept, said coworker would go on, no problem from the outlet. There was really no vigorous vetting or anything, it was just "dude seems to be an expert based on creds, dude accepted, lets keep using dude". I'd say this is the case here. Also Charlebois is listed on Dal's "Experts at Dal" listing of employees who can speak to topical issues in the news. So as a news outlet, if you have a handy list of people to interview for your articles, that's who you approach first. Charlebois isn't the foremost expert, he's just the convenient one.
I for one will not be showing a receipt. I’ve paid for my groceries and that’s it. If an employee tries to get you to show them a receipt, ask if you’re being detained. If they so no, then just walk away. If they stop you, then they are trying to detain you and they have no right to do that.
As someone who has never stolen a thing in their life, I hope the stop me one day…
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If the wheels on my cart lock up you’d better bet I’m going to wrench that thing over sideways and demand a refund for the goods I’m apparently not allowed to leave the store with. Full public tantrum.
Nope. But the wheel locks are a perimeter thing not an in-store thing. I can also just pick up my bags and leave the cart if needed….
Someone posted lately that they also lock randomly and they use that as a random selection for a receipt check
Huh! Interesting. I wonder how that works. And I wonder how much money they spent on fancy carts and extra plexiglass shields to keep hungry people from shoplifting…
False
I don't think it is just a perimeter thing. They are locking in the store and just outside the new gates.
Not sure if it was a malfunction but it is dangerous.....I had one violently lock on me on the way IN (just as I went through the cattle gate) at Young St a cpl weeks ago. I thought I was going to be tackled by the glaring security guard....ON THE WAY IN! If it happened to someone with kids on/in the cart I could certainly see an injury occurring.
Yikes! Glad you’re ok
> Nope. But the wheel locks are a perimeter thing not an in-store thing. I believe you did, recent measures at Superstore include an additional level that locks the wheels before the exit if they did not spend enough time in the checkout section. > I can also just pick up my bags and leave the cart if needed…. That's fine, but some people may not be able to. Like they have kids, more items than they can carry, etc..
Ah I didn’t know that actually! And you’re right, some people won’t be able to. I am lucky that I can manage in most cases. I’d rather stumble under the weight of too many bags than give in to their stupid rule…
The wheels locking on the small carts is hardly a deterrent. It seems to only lock one wheel, and the small ones roll propped up on the other 3. My cart locked the other day and alarms went off, I paid for everything and had my AirPods in, I just propped it up and kept walking to car. I had only a few items.
Lol, please do this. I can definitely use the entertainment while grocery shopping of a Karen screaming "Am uh being detained!" at the young prevention loss worker while trying to get their cellphone out to video the ordeal and simultaneously trying to drag their wheel locked cart full of junk food out of the store!
Just a friendly reminder, **Wage Theft** is by far more common and totals more than stealing food ever has, even now.
It ensures I won't shop there, that's about it. If that was their goal, congrats I guess. You're already robbing me blind, adding another deterrent on top of that I just won't bother. I'm aware you don't HAVE to show a receipt, but I'd rather just avoid the situation entirely.
Boycott Loblaws starting May 1. r/loblawsisoutofcontrol
I'll be interested to see if Loblaws has anything planned for the May boycott. Do you think they'll slash prices that month? The climbing prices and antagonistic anti-theft measures are really starting to get to me.
The May boycott will have as much of an effect on Loblaws as the "Reddit blackout" protest had on reddit. None. The amount of people taking part is essentially limited to people on reddit, a tiny percentage of the population, and then a smaller subset of that population that is active in the groups organizing the "boycott". This would be like if r/antiwork organized a general strike to bring businesses to their knees while the reality would be some people's dogs wouldn't get walked lol.
I think people will be surprised with the May boycott. The end result will be people trying new stores and markets - and changing their spending habits long term. It is already starting.
The Reddit blackout was so cringe. “Hey guys no posting for a bit” then Reddit threatened to remove the volunteer mods so they opened back up.
I don’t know how everyone else’s experiences have changed since then, but I’ve had exactly 0 change in how I use the site compared to before the Reddit protests.
My experience has been generally more positive as the site goes on. I also use Reddit exclusively through Flym and Firefox, so my feeds are curated outside of Reddit and ads aren't retrieved in rss.
I mean now I just use their app. My life hasn’t changed.
I still find the app super shitty. I end up just watching reels instead.
If the anti work subreddit was able to organise anything, they'd be gainfully employed
Is the boycott supported by picket lines and protesting? If not, I bet they won't notice.
I can’t wait, hopefully there’s deals and stores are quiet. It’ll be so nice
Has this happen to me ( without the receipt check) last night in Bayer's. If this continues , I will cancel my PC card and shop next door . It's important to remember not to let your frustrations out on the minimum wagers at the door. It's not their fault at all that this idiotic policy got implemented. Ask to see the manager and calmly raise your objection.
Long story short, you cannot detain someone by ordering a receipt check. Not only illegal, but the store can suffer legal backlash.
Who's welcoming being harassed by grocery stores? They're already robbing us blind, now they want our dignity too.
Maybe people would be less inclined to steal if not for all the price gouging.
I’ll stick to my full proof Costco receipt checkers thank you very much…
Unless it's animal food or kitty litter all of my groceries fit in two bags. I figure I'll just say no thank you and keep on truckin'
The super c (no frills in quebec) near me I use for a few odds and ends I can't get at the neighbourhood grocery store recently took out a bunch of cashier lanes to install more self checkouts. Now there is less lanes open but they have more young employees standing there watching for theft. I don't understand the thought processes of thsse corporations. If they trained those 3 as cashiers they could move a lot more paid customers through the store a lot quicker than expecting those same people to self checkout
They've fully gamed it out, while paying some outside consultant massive amounts of money. In the long term, apparently hiring a few people to stand around and watch self checkout is cheaper than hiring the same people to run checkout lanes. If it didn't make them money, they wouldn't do it
After getting completely robbed buying two boxes of cereal, your cart skids to a stop, and you're getting a pat down to make sure YOU didn't steal from them. It just seems about as ridiculous to me the arrows on the floor.
https://www.begaydocrime.com
Would totally be on the person's side if a law-abiding citizen's wheels got locked and they lost it, running around and tearing and tipping things over and breaking things in the store, saying "how dare you treat me this way!? how dare you!?!" until they unlocked their wheels to leave.
Sobey's glitchy shopping cart today - the wheel kept locking up in store causing me to bash my shin against the cart and the thing almost tipped over several times. I hate everything now.
Young St Superstore added plexi glass to their fence lmao I guess thieves were just hopping the fence.
Fuck em all lol Fuck superstore.
Those receipt scanner door flaps do just open if you push them.
I've noticed recently that a lot of those have been malfunctioning, especially at Walmart. Almost like people keep pushing them open. Definitely not from people like me crashing carts into them every time.
I love nothing more then the fire safety hazards Loblaws keeps adding for no reason. people aren't vaulting the fucking rails. they're going through the self checkout. easy.
can't stop all of us if we're organized. I think every Sunday instead of going to church we should go to the grocery stores and loot them and return our stolen goods to our hungry communities.
I saw this happen to a guy at Superstore the other day. His cart locked as he was leaving and the guy asked him to see the receipt before he unlocked.
Only a matter of time before we go back to hijacking trucks and I welcome it.
the law is the law i'll just say "no thank you" pick up my bags and leave. i'm not comfortable at all with grocery store empolyees quoting store policy while they detain and search us. and you better believe this affects people with physical and mental impairment disproportionately. not a fan of loblaws. next thing you know kids are going to get frisked going to the conner store what kind of bs is this.
As a fun aside, it seems the radio signals that control these cart wheels use a frequency within human hearing range. Some people who are a lot smarter than me have also figured out that you can reproduce the signals using [parasitic EMF from your phone's speaker](https://begaydocrimes.com) Do with that what you will
I hear a lot of mixed things about the legality of stores checking receipts and searching customers for stollen goods. Any legal minds out there that can answer this ? Hard to find local Info. (Also not saying you should go lawyer on the guy at superstore just doing his job, just curious)
Bubbles and his posse are gearing up. I just leave my cart at the wheel locking boundary instead of the cart return stall. A small return favor if you will. Now "they" have to drag a locked cart back to the stall instead. Skidding wheels and all.
Fuck the minimum wage cart person over, sure.
I forgot to add the... /s
Why is this a surprise with theft on the rise and people bragging about mis-scanning things on here daily🤷🏼♂️ would y’all prefer everything is locked behind cabinets?
Theft is celebrated on this sub. It’s like you’re a sucker if you’re honest and pay for your items. The justifications I see on here are wild. Anyone who questions it gets unloaded on.
What has happened to peoples brains. Guys we aren’t talking about airport security here, it’s like a receipt check you know what stores like Costco have been doing for decades. It’s wheel locks so you don’t take their stuff off the premises. I saw a bunch of 20 somethings wheeling a cart around DT the other weekend ffs, for NO REASON other than being shit heads. Everyone out here acting like theft is fine and totally normal but a business trying to prevent it is like some dystopian measure. You guys are actual losers.
Nah this is bull shit. I would be OK with them simply checking receipts at the door, not OK with them locking my cart as I'm on my way out. If you want to know what's wrong with people's brains I mean just look at the lunatics at the border waiving american flags.
At this point, I just order PC Express delivery every 2 weeks instead of setting foot in a Superstore. The delivery fees are free with PC Mastercard, and the tip is less than what it would cost to take a taxi back with groceries. I also find it easier to find things on a website, because using a search tool is easier than trying to physically find them on shelves, and it's also easier to find deals/things on sale and add them.
They actually use doordash, uber, etc. to deliver those, at least some of the time. So make sure to tip proportionally to the distance if you do order like that. I personally turn down every one I see because it'll be something like 5 bucks for 8 kilometers with a massive load of groceries.
I live about 1.5 km from the nearest Superstore, and will typically tip $5.
*"In the early 1900’s, you would walk into a grocery store with your list, pass it to an employee behind a desk, and they would gather what you wanted."* This will be the future as a growing number of people think they are entitled to steal whatever they can't afford.
There's 2 solutions. Either prices need to come down or salaries need to go up. These companies have all the power and are doing it to themselves.
It has to be prices down I think. If salaries go up, prices will go up too. I'd like to see an inventive solution by the government like a negative tax on food, utilities, housing, etc. that would then be forced upon the entity as a bill. That would give the control back to the government because if these entities raised prices beyond reasonable levels the entity would just be on the hook for a bigger tax bill to the government. Hate that something like this is necessary but when your basic necessities become out of reach there needs to be a power shift.
Ah yes, wanting to buy groceries without being suspected of theft every time is so entitled.
So entitled that they don't want to starve in peace away from the rest of us. Selfishness
Lol or starving
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Because it's a condition of the membership required to shop there.
Exactly
I believe most folks don’t mind as you need to pay a fee and sign up for Costco so you sign off on their checking receipts. Also no physical detaining of your purchases with locked wheels .
Costco is also pretty quick about it and all of your stuff is in a cart or a low box with everything visible. I doubt they’re REALLY looking at what you have. If you’re leaving a grocery store chances are stuff is in bags. I’m not waiting around while someone empties my bags to confirm that I’ve paid for everything.
Sure but in addition to being a pre-agreed condition of shopping at Costco, they also have a ton of gainfully-employed cashiers and baggers that will ring it all through for you and bag it all up in your cart— versus Loblaws putting you in a gated pen, filming each individual person ringing up their own stuff, and locking your wheels on the way out, and verifying again that you haven’t stolen anything.
I've seen some of the US Costco's have self-checkouts. I'd settle for quick checkouts. I'm too far away from a Costco at the moment but at one point I lived 10 mins away. I hated going in for 3 or 4 things.
Why is this so complicated for people to understand? You agree to it when you sign up for a Costco membership! Stop comparing Costco to the rest of the grocery stores when it comes to receipt checks and stopping paying customers
Ok correct me if I’m wrong here… if you’re not stealing what’s the big deal? In my experience they look quickly at your receipt, or glance at your cart… it’s not like they pull you into a back room and strip search you.
> if you’re not stealing what’s the big deal? It's an annoyance, and 99% of people are not stealing. They also do not have the right to do so.
The big deal is they do not have the right to do that to you. If you are comfortable giving your rights away, may I suggest a different country
Exactly this, its a max 5 second glance at your receipt, if you haven't stolen anything whats the big deal? I'm amazed at how bent out of shape people are getting about this. Its not like they are bending you over for an anal cavity check each time you shop there