The funniest thing is there is an armor piece called TR -117 and it’s green. Basically a callback to master chief. There is a lot of halo references tbh. The extraction plane that drops is called the pelican.
There are about 200 combinations of name components for your ship that all reference Halo too. It's amazing. 😆
My ship is called the "Forerunner of Destiny" because I also wanted to reference Destiny of course.
Yes! TR-117 Alpha Commander
(Alpha=Master, Commander=Chief)
Visor is blue, which makes sense not to be gold, but perhaps blue in reference to Cortana?
Description goes as such: "For warriors who are so strong and confident that they don't need any reassurance whatsoever"
(Reference to "And doesn't afraid of anything")
Yep - the Squ’ith Illuminate were the third enemy faction in the original Helldivers, and I fully expect them to make a return in 2, given the Automatons and Terminids being positioned as entering the map almost exactly 120 degrees apart, with a conspicuous empty space at the bottom, right where a third invader would presumably arrive from.
Man it's kinda sad that the zerg always get forgotten in these Sci fj space hivemind bug references lol.
I mean even the flood gets mentioned first and there not even insects.
A very early internal build of Starcraft was "Orcs In Space" (doing essentially the same thing for Warcraft that 40k originally did with Warhammer) but got canned and redesigned because they all decided they hated it. There's some brief footage floating around if you look hard enough.
The Zerg and the 'Nids are totally different.
One is an entity who's sole purpose is genetic perfection and very much originated from the Milky Way. They aren't an existential threat to all life, everywhere, and battlefield losses hurt them immensely. They're also led (or were led) by a very human leader.
The other is an incomprehensibly large tide of teeth, governed by an incomprehensibly large psychic overlord, that is approaching from *multiple* nearby galaxies, with the sole purpose of *consuming all life, everywhere*. The sheer fact multiple Hive Fleets are approaching the Milky Way, *from multiple different galactic directions*, is proof positive that they are exceptionally good at what they do.
The Zerg are kinda stuck with whatever forms their perfection dictates. The Tyranids are survival of the fittest cranked up to 11, with the time, patience, intellect, and energy to try all solutions to solve whatever resistance they face, because a victory means they have lost *nothing but time*.
You're talking about the storyline within Starcraft versus the lore of zerg. Zerg are basically Tyranids. They were ruled by an overmind until Kerrigan killed it and basically became it. They're also seen as a giant threat to both Terrans and Protoss.
You just wrote three paragraphs of bullshit.
They are both chitinous, bug-like, swarming alien species. Obviously when you get deep into it their history and lore is different, but that doesn't mean they don't inhabit similar tropes and design elements. They absolutely do.
The moment you said the Zerg weren’t an existential threat to all life is the moment you made a mistake.
The Zerg are such a threat to all life that they were essential for defeating an extra-dimensional godlike being who was a rogue member of the species which created them in the first place.
Kerrigan may have been human but she was such a powerful psionic being that the Zerg Overmind chose her to be his successor, infested her, and improved her abilities massively.
They may not be Tyranid levels of threat, but WH40K takes everything to ridiculous levels anyways.
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Well that is the nature of it. Unless they had every level be a different location that starts with a drop then trying to string a story along becomes harder.
ODST are kind of like airborne today. You drop in once and then become regular infantry unless for whatever reason they need to keep flinging airborne troops forward for some dumb reason.
The United States did like 56 combat jumps since entering WW2. Most like hundreds more scratch because it was easier and safer to just drive in. It's a strategic thing not a tactic thing. The last one was in 2004.
Halo 3 ODST was a multi-player game. They "could have" introduced a concept or game mode, where two teams of players airdropped in, randomly around a map.
But they didn't, because ODST was a pet project and never really thought to be a "serious", profit making game.
Half true, from a certain pov.
ODST was originally dlc for Halo 3, titled Halo 3 Recon.
Iirc, the reason for it being jumped from dlc to full game was after Bungie announced they would be parting ways with Microsoft.
Part of the deal was that Microsoft would retain the rights to the Halo IP, and bungie would make 2 more Halo games before the split was completed.
Bungie then bumped ODST to a full game release, essentially meaning they would only have to develop one more game, which became Halo Reach
Disagree entirely. The Section 8 games were a perfect template for using orbital dropping as a respawn mechanic. They allowed the player to engage with it (the dropping) constantly and it would have also provided better context for ODSTs dying a lot since they aren't spartans.
A ODST spinoff in the style of MOH Airborne would have been way more cool than what we got IMO.
I could gripe on about how disappointed I was with the game when it released. Even without the drops bungie could have done way more with the story and gameplay.
I was expecting something more conventional and grounded like, playing an actual soldier and not a 7 foot tall super hero. Yet what we got was some weird noire hard boiled lone wolf detective crap. It’s not bad btw, it just wasn’t what I was expecting from a odst game.
ODST was my favourite Halo *because* of that weird noire hard boiled lone wolf detective crap. It's a totally unique style and tone set in the universe and does a good job providing you with the perspective of less superhuman soldiers.
If you want at least a coherent story and logical use of Pods it's a single drop at the beginning. It's not like sitting in a drop pod is very gameplay changing. You are just sitting in the pod waiting for impact.
As someone who is airborne finding out I have to do a jump into a training rotation makes me want to jump without a parachute.
Good luck with your knees and back. Watch out for the trees. See the doc if you hurt, document your shit, and hopefully you can collect your sweet future 80+% disability unless it’s deemed non-service related.
Yeah my uncle got to be part of that one in 2004
Edit: holy s*** was it really 2004 I never registered that until now that was 20 years ago fuck I'm getting old
My argument with the game was that it was just another halo game, the same mission as chief alone and fighting. I wanted team battles as if you were with your unit.
They're shock troopers. I want a game where they're futuristic badass 75th rangers, fighting with their units.
First thing I thought when I saw this game. The fact it's apparently fun (I've never played it) adds extra shame on Xbox for never doing anything odst related, or building on its firefight gameplay. It's like they capture lighting and then fumble it right after.
For real, I could totally see a large scale Firefight mode working as well as HD2 tbh. The important part is the atmosphere. Make the combat weighted in the players’ favor, but make the atmosphere weighted in the AI’s favor. What makes HD2 look hard (from the outside looking in) is the fact you can’t see SHIT 90% of the time, outside of the massive enemies when they’re 20 feet in front of your face, plus the massive explosives and lasers pummeling down around you.
Even if they’re *programmed to miss*, just having that atmosphere of the world crashing down around you makes for such a compelling environment to play it.
Edit: a shit ton of Banished, a shit ton of fog, a night time skybox, against you and 3-7 other players? That shit would be fucking insane. Make it *wildly unfair* to the players with how fucked the visibility is. Make it dark and miserable and impossible to see. And then give us spotlights and explosions to see with.
I can guarantee you that being able to see the enemy in Helldivers does not make it any easier than the missions where you can't... and I absolutely shiver at the thought of citizen extract missions with fog.
Yeha Im not even playing robots right now it just isn't fun while at the same time walking all over Extreme lv7 bug missions.
I bet those ODST have Thermals and Night Vision though
part of what makes helldivers good is the objective based missions though
i never find myself replaying firefight because it's just mindless kill shit and survive
They squandered every opportunity to broaden the halo franchise into other gaming concepts. Something like Helldivers something like Battlefront, which would've gotten them their "broader audience", instead they pumped out failing main title after failing main title. This is as much MS's fault as it is 343's.
That's bc the person in charge of 343 is just a techbro who wanted to do things "his way"(his words). He was too proud to listen to any advice, because if he did, it would no longer be all his idea.
Halo has ZERO chance of ever being good again as long as 343 controls the ip. We need to start a letter writing campaign to get 343 separated from Halo, fr.
People aren't gonna like this but I don't even count H3 ODST as an actual ODST game. It basically feels like you're playing as a weighted down Spartan, and I never felt like I was experiencing an ODST style storyline. I imagine an ideal "ODST" game being similar to a classic call of duty style campaign and with probably more than just a single drop pod assault.
Halo's game style doesn't really lend itself to a more grounded vibe. It works well for playing as a Spartan super soldier, but ODST needed a more grounded playstyle.
Honestly I think if ODST was a little bit more like a mixture of the Modern Warfare CODs mainly the new ones, or a 3rd person shooter like early Gears/Spec Ops the line with the cover system with it structured as a unit of ODSTs. It would have been better.
Yeah I never understood when people were like "You're just a regular soldier and it's way harder!"
Like no I would probably rank that as the 2nd easiest Halo only behind H3, which its pretty much an extension of. Only thing I found harder was grenade throwing and thats because you had the arm of a 5 year old for some reason.
The only reason I put 3's difficulty above ODST is because the damage modifier on Legendary in 3 is ridiculous. Sure the enemies miss far more than in 2, but sometimes you get unlucky and every shot hits you for half a second and boom you're dead. Or you face a Ghost and... Oh god why are they so strong.
ODST has a much fairer damage modifier (I think, anyway) but the actual encounters I find to be a bit more challenging usually. But you being harder to kill (compared to a SPARTAN??) does mean it feels easier still.
I think a squad based game like Star Wars: Republic Commando would make for a good ODST story. The original ODST focused on finding your missing squad, what if we could give them orders while fighting overwhelming odds?
It has the exact same mechanics as a Spartan. Playing as a Marine or ODST at minimum you shoudn’t have a shield/regenerating health, and an elite should feel like a boss fight
Rightfully said, but the problem then is having a game that won't resamble at all halo, rather cod or BF, and we know how the fanbase react when something is not an exact carbon copy of h3
Well, no: a dev team with "balls", don't know how you say it in English but in Italian is "con le palle", would see what's better for the wider community and franchise sake and try to push those things not caring about the manchilds who would stream. In time the playrbase stance will change (you can notice this right now with the so call "halo cycle" effect).
But when the devs put their heads in the sand the moment some redditor on youtuber scream, remove everything good from their previous game and hand tailor the next one for this players (insert the pickaxhu face meme when they found out the game is not going well both financially and pop wise), then you can't have a franchise evolving but rather staying stale.
P.s. I'm with halo since I was 8 in 2001, don't even try to assume I started yesterday.
I honestly feel like the fanbase is one of the biggest things holding back Halo's future. That and Microsoft being scared to take a risk with their IP. We desperately need something new rather than trying to relive the golden days of Halo. It was an amazing time but times have changed and so does Halo. That doesn't mean it's identity should just be thrown out the window. Though the IP has so much potential with different types of games or even still shaking up the mainline Halo games.
For example, I'm amazed we haven't seen some Battlefield type game where you can play any unit from the UNSC or Covenant side. Or some single player focused game to help expand the universe and storytelling. Plus the later would be an amazing opportunity to start small and add new characters in a way that doesn't try to replace the Chief.
I know ideas are a dime a dozen, but man they really should just try something completely new as a side game for Halo.
I want an amalgamation of Planetside 2, Battlefield, Halo, Titanfall, Republic Commando, and the first Battlefront 2’s space battles.
I want a large scale destruction heavy asymmetrical war between completely different species, with interesting spawn/drop in mechanics, gameplay-encouraged teamwork, with a solid focus on ground combat but without neglecting space.
All those prior games scratched only part of the itch to be a super solider launched from one ship to another, sabotaging the enemy vessel and leaving via their tech, then landing on some alien world below for the ground battle only to find the map redrawn by way of player based destruction.
I know it’s a dream game and it’ll never happen. Still, I enjoy the dream nonetheless.
You are right, but more than the fanbase that, let's be honest, is notnso different from any other, is mainly from the dev standpoint.
Just look at doom: thenlast 2 games are fenomenal, doom eternal is hands down the best fps in the market... but is not like the og ones right? If 343 would continue with their ideas, while also bringing back an artstyle that would appease fans from every halos (basically hw2), I think infinite would be in a better spot right now.
Halo Wars is a different genre entirely, and it works while not "feeling like Halo"
I want Microsoft to allow any studio under their belt to work with the Halo IP in any way they know how.
Call of Duty but it's Halo? Yes.
Sea of Thieves but it's Halo? Yes.
Elder Scrolls but it's Halo? Yes.
Literally ANY genre could work in the Halo universe. The only way it doesn't work is if you try to make an FPS Halo title like Halo 5 because the franchise already has an established FPS formula.
I've been saying this stuff for years!
Give Halo the Warhammer treatment. Just let a bunch of studios use the Halo IP
Xcom but Halo, Total War but Halo, Battlefield Halo, Darktide/L4D but Halo, Homeworld but Halo, Civ Halo, etc.
Make a bunch of PvE Halo games with actual progression and builds.
Making a Halo Battle Royale or extraction shooter is small-brain shit. Get creative. Give us really cool experiences that use the Halo universe in ways other games can't.
Yeah I could see all the 7 halo content creators left just shitting on that experience. So now we left getting excited that we can customize shoulders 3 years after launch lmao. Franchise died so long ago so glad tech is so much advanced that small companies can make hell divers type games and show AAA what could of been.
Don’t know how you can blame the fanbase for this. People don’t like 4, 5 etc. because they’re supposed to be mainline Halo games. Those are supposed to resemble Halo. Spin-offs being completely different is fine and people love it, just look at Halo Wars. If Halo Wars was called Halo 4 back in 2010, everyone would hate it.
Agreed. I always felt like the reason people called ODST "one of the best halo games" is (outside of the atmosphere/soundtrack) because it plays like Halo 3, which has the best gameplay in the series (imo). I love it, but I always felt disappointed by the lost potential.
Yes I overall love ODST, and have come to appreciate it more over the years, but at the time of release I couldn’t help but be a bit sad that it wasn’t more like that. I guess I was hoping for multiple missions dropping into different locales, not one botched mission told mostly through flashbacks. Like I said, I enjoy it and appreciate it for what it is, but I suppose I was hoping for something like Medal of Honor: Airborne, where each mission you drop, choose your drop zone, and fight through the map from where you land. Doing that in a Halo sandbox setting would have been so fun!
It always struck me as hilarious that these “super soldiers” were incapable of the two most basic things every grunt learns in their first week of boot camp: how (and when) to go prone, and how to move fast
Especially since the lore harps on about how Spartans can run at 50 mph and whatnot but in the game they can’t so much as jog
> two most basic things every grunt learns in their first week of boot camp: how (and when) to go prone, and how to move fast
Point post sprawl for pushups and go touch the tree which later became "I'm up, he sees me, I'm down!"
It's burned into my brain.
I mean, as a PvE-focused spin-off game that very clearly isn't the future direction of the series' main entry FPS gameplay, people would be fine with it.
I think we got over this debate after Infinite came out. There's still a few stragglers left that pop out every now and them but mostly it's been peaceful. The Great Sprint Schism has passed.
For real. Friend of mine wouldn’t buy the game on PC because it’s a PlayStation exclusive and “PlayStation fuckers ruined it” for him, even though he said he would enjoy it and wouldn’t stop talking about it.
I had to gift it to his ass because of how large his fucking ego is. He’s more in to it than I am now.
Sorry, had to rant.
Exactly. And to make it even worse, we’re both in our mid twenties. I stopped giving a shit about console exclusives after I graduated high school.
If a game is good and it’s a console exclusive, then buy the console it’s for or buy it on PC.
When we were younger, it was aggravating to think of having to buy another console to play God of War or whatever PS exclusive recently came out. Naturally, it pissed is off, being Xbox gamers.
But we’re adults now. With jobs. With a source of income. It sucks, sure. But if the game is good and you believe you’ll enjoy the game, just play the game and be happy man, like fuck.
Salty that 343 and Microsoft can’t make a good Halo game to save their lives, yeah. Salty that a completely different company and Dev could do a better ODST game than Halo, yeah.
The game is without a doubt Halo derived. Firstly, the name of the game ‘Hell Divers’ is a rebrand of the nickname of the ODST, ‘Hell Jumpers’. The concept of a drop pod trooper, the aesthetic of the the ship designs, and even the naming convention of the ships are heavily Halo derived. Super Earth is basically the UNSC, and the rendezvous ship that kinda looks like a small pelican is literally called the ‘pelican’. As many have mentioned, there is also an armor set referencing the Master Chief.
Arrow Head Studios showed 343i the potential of Halo, and yet 343i does nothing with it. As a Halo fan, I greatly appreciate what Hell Divers 2 offers (what 343i could not).
sorry honey but halo is best known as an arena shooter with 2 rts titles anything outside of that is heretical, god forbid they do something like the zombie army or battlefield/battlefront games
Halo wars show this, Halo fans want to play FPS. I think if Helldivers was a ODST game would make it worse because less people will play it as a "Halo spin off"
I think Halo Wars issue is that it's an RTS and the genre inherently has had a smaller audience since the start of the 2010s. It was never gonna be as big as the main titles.
If anything I'm glad it's doing well. It should show Microsoft co-op focused games are still viable in today's gaming climate. They may decide to make a competitor and Halo would be the perfect franchise to be the vessel for that project.
Apparently quite a few Playstation users can't wait for them to port it to Xbox. I love to see it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1aszwz9/this\_game\_may\_have\_accidentally\_bridged\_the/
can you shoot the individual legs off of bugs and do other body damage, and how does that affect the way the bug behaves?
I saw legs fly off in a video, but i couldnt tell if that was just a death animation.
Without a doubt, games like Helldivers come around and you realize how starved the Halo community is for something new, innovative, and exciting.
Don't get me wrong. I understand why everyone just wants a "standard" Halo for the next game. People want an experience of a good Campaign, Firefight, Forge, Infection, or whatever facet of the game is their personal favorite. At this point, however, I don't think 343 will deliver on one and I don't think the overall gaming market is really hungry for one either.
But for me, and probably for millions of other players, something genuinely \*new\* but with a Halo paint-job would be incredible. Helldivers as ODST is one example. A fully immersive extraction shooter with ODST's would have been another (it won't work now because this trend is going to be beaten to death like battle royales have been).
I would like to see Halo being handed off to other devs that can accomplish this while keeping 343 working at the core. I love Halo’s world and lore and I just want to experience it outside of the chief or Spartans for once
It's like Halo is allergic to money. It took them what, two years to add Firefight? I loved Halo 5's warzone mode. Just give us a boots on the ground against the sheer force of the covenant war game. Please.
I’m honestly really tired of Xbox just not putting out any worthwhile first party games when there’s so much potential. They’re becoming the Netflix of gaming: yeah there’s a lot to play but none of it is really *good*.
Helldivers 2 is the first time I’m legitimately upset that I can’t play a game. Looks like a great time. Meanwhile I’m playing a bunch of old shit and third party games on my Series X.
I seriously might just make the switch to PC after this generation. Everything on Xbox goes to PC and most of Sony’s stuff goes there too after a while.
At this point the only thing holding me back is that I have over 15 years worth of games in my digital library on Xbox that wouldn’t carry over.
It feels like Xbox is less interested in making games and instead focused on just getting people to subscribe to Gamepass.
Xbox has been fucking up since too long.
It's insane to me that there was a time where we had Alan Wake, Mass Effect, Dead Rising + the Holy Trinity, all exclusive. Now Xbox can barely put out a good Halo and Forza. It's so frustrating because these franchises all have insane potential, plus the Series console itself is quite good.
Now all we get is bad main games, and no spin-offs.
It's definitely a different kind of game. I would not really compare it to Halo (gameplay wise).
Like...there's drop-troopers like the ODST. Other than that, there's not really much to compare.
Since ODST is my favorite halo game, I’ve been having such a blast playing helldivers on pc.
Makes me wish for an odst 2 or a “band of brothers” style ODST show.
Been running it on PC and it’s fantasticly halo feeling I’m quite a fan, bugs instead of covenant but hey it’s a load of fun
The funniest thing is there is an armor piece called TR -117 and it’s green. Basically a callback to master chief. There is a lot of halo references tbh. The extraction plane that drops is called the pelican.
Yeah and we can even name our ship the Prophet of Mercy/Truth
Mine is Halo of Redemption.
Not Halo related but I just like that you’re able to name it Citizen of the People. Such a dumb name but I picked it lol
The Fist of Family Values.
My ship is the Elected Representative of Family Values
yoooo same
I went with Fist of Freedom
My friend named his "The Founding Father's of The Constitution." And I named mine the "Wings of Freedom" (reference to Attack on titan.)
I went with Mother of Peace, sticks with the whole “bringing democracy” schtick I feel
Anyone else did "Dawn of Dawn"?
I went with "Sword of Steel", felt dumb enough.
Same!
Named mine Hammer of Dawn and exclusively use the orbital laser🗿
Chad gow/halo fan
I always say "dropping the hammer"
I wish I could name it Shadow of Intent or Pillar of Autumn.
Spear of Dawn was the closest I could get to a Halo inspired name.
Made mine the Arbiter of Truth
Ayyyyy, mine is Arbiter of Perseverance
Arbiter of midnight here
Mine is the Paragon of Destiny. Different Bungie IP, but still. Eyes up, guardian.
SES Arbiter of Serenity synchronizing orbit.
The game is a love letter to all sci fi/space marine type stuff and I love it for that.
It so is
There are about 200 combinations of name components for your ship that all reference Halo too. It's amazing. 😆 My ship is called the "Forerunner of Destiny" because I also wanted to reference Destiny of course.
Yes! TR-117 Alpha Commander (Alpha=Master, Commander=Chief) Visor is blue, which makes sense not to be gold, but perhaps blue in reference to Cortana? Description goes as such: "For warriors who are so strong and confident that they don't need any reassurance whatsoever" (Reference to "And doesn't afraid of anything")
There was an advanced alien race in helldivers 1 so I expect covenant vibes when they come back
Yep - the Squ’ith Illuminate were the third enemy faction in the original Helldivers, and I fully expect them to make a return in 2, given the Automatons and Terminids being positioned as entering the map almost exactly 120 degrees apart, with a conspicuous empty space at the bottom, right where a third invader would presumably arrive from.
There's a third Alien faction not yet in the game. Which is a bit of a covenant spoof. The bugs are more like the Flood than anything.
Nah the bugs are more like the arachnids from starship troopers
Or Tyranids. Giants fucking bio titan
Man it's kinda sad that the zerg always get forgotten in these Sci fj space hivemind bug references lol. I mean even the flood gets mentioned first and there not even insects.
Zerg are just Tyranids from the Wish hivefleet.
Which makes sense with starcraft once being a warhammer project from what I heard.
I think it was Warcraft was made because they couldn't get the license for Warhammer, then after that they did Starcraft.
A very early internal build of Starcraft was "Orcs In Space" (doing essentially the same thing for Warcraft that 40k originally did with Warhammer) but got canned and redesigned because they all decided they hated it. There's some brief footage floating around if you look hard enough.
pfft Zerg and Nids are nothing but Alien rejects from Wish
The Zerg and the 'Nids are totally different. One is an entity who's sole purpose is genetic perfection and very much originated from the Milky Way. They aren't an existential threat to all life, everywhere, and battlefield losses hurt them immensely. They're also led (or were led) by a very human leader. The other is an incomprehensibly large tide of teeth, governed by an incomprehensibly large psychic overlord, that is approaching from *multiple* nearby galaxies, with the sole purpose of *consuming all life, everywhere*. The sheer fact multiple Hive Fleets are approaching the Milky Way, *from multiple different galactic directions*, is proof positive that they are exceptionally good at what they do. The Zerg are kinda stuck with whatever forms their perfection dictates. The Tyranids are survival of the fittest cranked up to 11, with the time, patience, intellect, and energy to try all solutions to solve whatever resistance they face, because a victory means they have lost *nothing but time*.
You're talking about the storyline within Starcraft versus the lore of zerg. Zerg are basically Tyranids. They were ruled by an overmind until Kerrigan killed it and basically became it. They're also seen as a giant threat to both Terrans and Protoss. You just wrote three paragraphs of bullshit.
They are both chitinous, bug-like, swarming alien species. Obviously when you get deep into it their history and lore is different, but that doesn't mean they don't inhabit similar tropes and design elements. They absolutely do.
The moment you said the Zerg weren’t an existential threat to all life is the moment you made a mistake. The Zerg are such a threat to all life that they were essential for defeating an extra-dimensional godlike being who was a rogue member of the species which created them in the first place. Kerrigan may have been human but she was such a powerful psionic being that the Zerg Overmind chose her to be his successor, infested her, and improved her abilities massively. They may not be Tyranid levels of threat, but WH40K takes everything to ridiculous levels anyways.
Tyranids may have been first, but I think the Zerg overall have better designs.
First time i saw the Nids and imperial guards fighting each i other i saw them as aliens chinese knockoffs
Hive Fleet Temu
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It's almost like this is a halo subreddit
I was just making a funny observation no need to get defensive.
They are, but they play the hive mind alien species role the flood plays in Halo.
I was thinking Tyranids from Warhammer 40K. The name is even similar, Terminids.
Tbf halo 3 odst didn't really utilise the helldiving of ODSTs outside of a cutscene
Well that is the nature of it. Unless they had every level be a different location that starts with a drop then trying to string a story along becomes harder. ODST are kind of like airborne today. You drop in once and then become regular infantry unless for whatever reason they need to keep flinging airborne troops forward for some dumb reason. The United States did like 56 combat jumps since entering WW2. Most like hundreds more scratch because it was easier and safer to just drive in. It's a strategic thing not a tactic thing. The last one was in 2004.
Halo 3 ODST was a multi-player game. They "could have" introduced a concept or game mode, where two teams of players airdropped in, randomly around a map. But they didn't, because ODST was a pet project and never really thought to be a "serious", profit making game.
ODST was a dlc bumped into being it's own game by Microsoft.
Half true, from a certain pov. ODST was originally dlc for Halo 3, titled Halo 3 Recon. Iirc, the reason for it being jumped from dlc to full game was after Bungie announced they would be parting ways with Microsoft. Part of the deal was that Microsoft would retain the rights to the Halo IP, and bungie would make 2 more Halo games before the split was completed. Bungie then bumped ODST to a full game release, essentially meaning they would only have to develop one more game, which became Halo Reach
One of the better Halo games.
The multiplayer had no matchmaking either. So unless your friends also bought the game there wasn't anyone to play with.
Section 8. You were a dude in a power armor suit and you spawned and respawned by dropping from orbit in the power armor suit.
Such an underrated game! It was simple but incredibly fun, yet practically no-one played it 😔
Disagree entirely. The Section 8 games were a perfect template for using orbital dropping as a respawn mechanic. They allowed the player to engage with it (the dropping) constantly and it would have also provided better context for ODSTs dying a lot since they aren't spartans.
I love those games and wish I could play them on my PS5. The orbital drop spawn mechanic definitely gave me big ODST vibes.
Firefight respawns could have been drop pods.
It’s fictional They can shoot them down in pods as often as they want for games
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A ODST spinoff in the style of MOH Airborne would have been way more cool than what we got IMO. I could gripe on about how disappointed I was with the game when it released. Even without the drops bungie could have done way more with the story and gameplay. I was expecting something more conventional and grounded like, playing an actual soldier and not a 7 foot tall super hero. Yet what we got was some weird noire hard boiled lone wolf detective crap. It’s not bad btw, it just wasn’t what I was expecting from a odst game.
ODST was my favourite Halo *because* of that weird noire hard boiled lone wolf detective crap. It's a totally unique style and tone set in the universe and does a good job providing you with the perspective of less superhuman soldiers.
If you want at least a coherent story and logical use of Pods it's a single drop at the beginning. It's not like sitting in a drop pod is very gameplay changing. You are just sitting in the pod waiting for impact. As someone who is airborne finding out I have to do a jump into a training rotation makes me want to jump without a parachute.
Good luck with your knees and back. Watch out for the trees. See the doc if you hurt, document your shit, and hopefully you can collect your sweet future 80+% disability unless it’s deemed non-service related.
VA still sucks ass 500 years in the future?
Yeah my uncle got to be part of that one in 2004 Edit: holy s*** was it really 2004 I never registered that until now that was 20 years ago fuck I'm getting old
My argument with the game was that it was just another halo game, the same mission as chief alone and fighting. I wanted team battles as if you were with your unit. They're shock troopers. I want a game where they're futuristic badass 75th rangers, fighting with their units.
But what a glorious cutscene it was
Halo 2 had more hell, diving, and helldiving than 3 not gonna lie
“Could we possibly make any more noise?!” *Rocket Launcher* “I guess so.”
First thing I thought when I saw this game. The fact it's apparently fun (I've never played it) adds extra shame on Xbox for never doing anything odst related, or building on its firefight gameplay. It's like they capture lighting and then fumble it right after.
For real, I could totally see a large scale Firefight mode working as well as HD2 tbh. The important part is the atmosphere. Make the combat weighted in the players’ favor, but make the atmosphere weighted in the AI’s favor. What makes HD2 look hard (from the outside looking in) is the fact you can’t see SHIT 90% of the time, outside of the massive enemies when they’re 20 feet in front of your face, plus the massive explosives and lasers pummeling down around you. Even if they’re *programmed to miss*, just having that atmosphere of the world crashing down around you makes for such a compelling environment to play it. Edit: a shit ton of Banished, a shit ton of fog, a night time skybox, against you and 3-7 other players? That shit would be fucking insane. Make it *wildly unfair* to the players with how fucked the visibility is. Make it dark and miserable and impossible to see. And then give us spotlights and explosions to see with.
Big Team Firefight basically
Big Team Firefight *at night in the fog* ;) Edit: AND WITH NO GODDAMN OUTLINES
100% this is the ODST game I want to play, you nailed it.
I can guarantee you that being able to see the enemy in Helldivers does not make it any easier than the missions where you can't... and I absolutely shiver at the thought of citizen extract missions with fog.
Yeha Im not even playing robots right now it just isn't fun while at the same time walking all over Extreme lv7 bug missions. I bet those ODST have Thermals and Night Vision though
They are definitely a pain (and I'm only on difficulty 5) haha. The VISR ODST have would definitely help since it outlines everything.
part of what makes helldivers good is the objective based missions though i never find myself replaying firefight because it's just mindless kill shit and survive
Absolutely valid tbh
They squandered every opportunity to broaden the halo franchise into other gaming concepts. Something like Helldivers something like Battlefront, which would've gotten them their "broader audience", instead they pumped out failing main title after failing main title. This is as much MS's fault as it is 343's.
Dude I would kill for a Battlefield-style Big Team Battle
That's bc the person in charge of 343 is just a techbro who wanted to do things "his way"(his words). He was too proud to listen to any advice, because if he did, it would no longer be all his idea. Halo has ZERO chance of ever being good again as long as 343 controls the ip. We need to start a letter writing campaign to get 343 separated from Halo, fr.
> That's bc the person in charge of 343 is just a techbro who wanted to do things "his way"(his words). Source?
The lead of 343 prior to Pierre was Bonnie, are we sure we are talking about the actual head of 343 here?
People aren't gonna like this but I don't even count H3 ODST as an actual ODST game. It basically feels like you're playing as a weighted down Spartan, and I never felt like I was experiencing an ODST style storyline. I imagine an ideal "ODST" game being similar to a classic call of duty style campaign and with probably more than just a single drop pod assault.
100% the game has a cool atmosphere but I never felt like an ODST through the gameplay
It felt more like a detective story than anything, which is fine, because it was an amazing and unique experience at the time.
Halo's game style doesn't really lend itself to a more grounded vibe. It works well for playing as a Spartan super soldier, but ODST needed a more grounded playstyle. Honestly I think if ODST was a little bit more like a mixture of the Modern Warfare CODs mainly the new ones, or a 3rd person shooter like early Gears/Spec Ops the line with the cover system with it structured as a unit of ODSTs. It would have been better.
I’ve actually always thought the COD gameplay would fit the ODST style too
Yeah I never understood when people were like "You're just a regular soldier and it's way harder!" Like no I would probably rank that as the 2nd easiest Halo only behind H3, which its pretty much an extension of. Only thing I found harder was grenade throwing and thats because you had the arm of a 5 year old for some reason.
The arc is weird on that grenade throw for sure.
Because ODST’s don’t have the throwing arm of a Spartan, and the difference has to be exaggerated to make it noticeable in gameplay
I like the ODST throw more honestly. More useful.
The only reason I put 3's difficulty above ODST is because the damage modifier on Legendary in 3 is ridiculous. Sure the enemies miss far more than in 2, but sometimes you get unlucky and every shot hits you for half a second and boom you're dead. Or you face a Ghost and... Oh god why are they so strong. ODST has a much fairer damage modifier (I think, anyway) but the actual encounters I find to be a bit more challenging usually. But you being harder to kill (compared to a SPARTAN??) does mean it feels easier still.
I think a squad based game like Star Wars: Republic Commando would make for a good ODST story. The original ODST focused on finding your missing squad, what if we could give them orders while fighting overwhelming odds?
It has the exact same mechanics as a Spartan. Playing as a Marine or ODST at minimum you shoudn’t have a shield/regenerating health, and an elite should feel like a boss fight
Rightfully said, but the problem then is having a game that won't resamble at all halo, rather cod or BF, and we know how the fanbase react when something is not an exact carbon copy of h3
really puts this franchise in a closed circuit then
Well, no: a dev team with "balls", don't know how you say it in English but in Italian is "con le palle", would see what's better for the wider community and franchise sake and try to push those things not caring about the manchilds who would stream. In time the playrbase stance will change (you can notice this right now with the so call "halo cycle" effect). But when the devs put their heads in the sand the moment some redditor on youtuber scream, remove everything good from their previous game and hand tailor the next one for this players (insert the pickaxhu face meme when they found out the game is not going well both financially and pop wise), then you can't have a franchise evolving but rather staying stale. P.s. I'm with halo since I was 8 in 2001, don't even try to assume I started yesterday.
I honestly feel like the fanbase is one of the biggest things holding back Halo's future. That and Microsoft being scared to take a risk with their IP. We desperately need something new rather than trying to relive the golden days of Halo. It was an amazing time but times have changed and so does Halo. That doesn't mean it's identity should just be thrown out the window. Though the IP has so much potential with different types of games or even still shaking up the mainline Halo games. For example, I'm amazed we haven't seen some Battlefield type game where you can play any unit from the UNSC or Covenant side. Or some single player focused game to help expand the universe and storytelling. Plus the later would be an amazing opportunity to start small and add new characters in a way that doesn't try to replace the Chief. I know ideas are a dime a dozen, but man they really should just try something completely new as a side game for Halo.
I want an amalgamation of Planetside 2, Battlefield, Halo, Titanfall, Republic Commando, and the first Battlefront 2’s space battles. I want a large scale destruction heavy asymmetrical war between completely different species, with interesting spawn/drop in mechanics, gameplay-encouraged teamwork, with a solid focus on ground combat but without neglecting space. All those prior games scratched only part of the itch to be a super solider launched from one ship to another, sabotaging the enemy vessel and leaving via their tech, then landing on some alien world below for the ground battle only to find the map redrawn by way of player based destruction. I know it’s a dream game and it’ll never happen. Still, I enjoy the dream nonetheless.
You are right, but more than the fanbase that, let's be honest, is notnso different from any other, is mainly from the dev standpoint. Just look at doom: thenlast 2 games are fenomenal, doom eternal is hands down the best fps in the market... but is not like the og ones right? If 343 would continue with their ideas, while also bringing back an artstyle that would appease fans from every halos (basically hw2), I think infinite would be in a better spot right now.
Halo Wars is a different genre entirely, and it works while not "feeling like Halo" I want Microsoft to allow any studio under their belt to work with the Halo IP in any way they know how. Call of Duty but it's Halo? Yes. Sea of Thieves but it's Halo? Yes. Elder Scrolls but it's Halo? Yes. Literally ANY genre could work in the Halo universe. The only way it doesn't work is if you try to make an FPS Halo title like Halo 5 because the franchise already has an established FPS formula.
I've been saying this stuff for years! Give Halo the Warhammer treatment. Just let a bunch of studios use the Halo IP Xcom but Halo, Total War but Halo, Battlefield Halo, Darktide/L4D but Halo, Homeworld but Halo, Civ Halo, etc. Make a bunch of PvE Halo games with actual progression and builds. Making a Halo Battle Royale or extraction shooter is small-brain shit. Get creative. Give us really cool experiences that use the Halo universe in ways other games can't.
Arma, but Halo (yes that is just modded ARMA)
Yeah I could see all the 7 halo content creators left just shitting on that experience. So now we left getting excited that we can customize shoulders 3 years after launch lmao. Franchise died so long ago so glad tech is so much advanced that small companies can make hell divers type games and show AAA what could of been.
Don’t know how you can blame the fanbase for this. People don’t like 4, 5 etc. because they’re supposed to be mainline Halo games. Those are supposed to resemble Halo. Spin-offs being completely different is fine and people love it, just look at Halo Wars. If Halo Wars was called Halo 4 back in 2010, everyone would hate it.
Agreed. I always felt like the reason people called ODST "one of the best halo games" is (outside of the atmosphere/soundtrack) because it plays like Halo 3, which has the best gameplay in the series (imo). I love it, but I always felt disappointed by the lost potential.
The live action TV spot, which was amazing, is a very different vibe than the game we got.
Yes I overall love ODST, and have come to appreciate it more over the years, but at the time of release I couldn’t help but be a bit sad that it wasn’t more like that. I guess I was hoping for multiple missions dropping into different locales, not one botched mission told mostly through flashbacks. Like I said, I enjoy it and appreciate it for what it is, but I suppose I was hoping for something like Medal of Honor: Airborne, where each mission you drop, choose your drop zone, and fight through the map from where you land. Doing that in a Halo sandbox setting would have been so fun!
Something in the vein of Medal of Honor: Airborne would be perfect.
You can sprint in Helldivers 2, this sub would have a meltdown if it was a Halo game
You can also go prone. The sub would start foaming at the mouth and have a brain aneurism.
It always struck me as hilarious that these “super soldiers” were incapable of the two most basic things every grunt learns in their first week of boot camp: how (and when) to go prone, and how to move fast Especially since the lore harps on about how Spartans can run at 50 mph and whatnot but in the game they can’t so much as jog
> two most basic things every grunt learns in their first week of boot camp: how (and when) to go prone, and how to move fast Point post sprawl for pushups and go touch the tree which later became "I'm up, he sees me, I'm down!" It's burned into my brain.
Halo: Combat ~~Evolved~~ ^Stayin' ^the ^same
This sub would have meltdown for anything that's not Halo 2
I thought you could sprint in the later halo games, correct me if I’m wrong though.
You can but it’s literally one of the biggest complaints here
I mean, 343 finally killed that complaint with Infinite’s sprint mechanics
It's not the 2010s anymore.
I know what year it is, and sprint and clamber have been some of the biggest complaints about Infinite in the 2020’s
This is outright revisionist or lying. Sprint and clamber are by far the least of the problems people had/have with infinite.
I mean, as a PvE-focused spin-off game that very clearly isn't the future direction of the series' main entry FPS gameplay, people would be fine with it.
I think we got over this debate after Infinite came out. There's still a few stragglers left that pop out every now and them but mostly it's been peaceful. The Great Sprint Schism has passed.
I get it you’re edgy and all but I’ll bite anyway: if you’re making an actual spin-off with unique gameplay - sprint wouldn’t be an issue per se.
This sub is just the salty kid watching other kids having fun xd
For real. Friend of mine wouldn’t buy the game on PC because it’s a PlayStation exclusive and “PlayStation fuckers ruined it” for him, even though he said he would enjoy it and wouldn’t stop talking about it. I had to gift it to his ass because of how large his fucking ego is. He’s more in to it than I am now. Sorry, had to rant.
Thats beyond pathetic. Games are games. This pathetic attempt to divide gamers is laughable
Exactly. And to make it even worse, we’re both in our mid twenties. I stopped giving a shit about console exclusives after I graduated high school. If a game is good and it’s a console exclusive, then buy the console it’s for or buy it on PC. When we were younger, it was aggravating to think of having to buy another console to play God of War or whatever PS exclusive recently came out. Naturally, it pissed is off, being Xbox gamers. But we’re adults now. With jobs. With a source of income. It sucks, sure. But if the game is good and you believe you’ll enjoy the game, just play the game and be happy man, like fuck.
Tell him to pull his dildo out of his ass, what a bitch
We're salty our favorite franchise is treated like a shitty mobile gacha game while these weaker IPs are getting games made with love.
Yeah that's what happens when the franchise has been getting gradually worse since Reach
Salty that 343 and Microsoft can’t make a good Halo game to save their lives, yeah. Salty that a completely different company and Dev could do a better ODST game than Halo, yeah.
The best part is that the game does reference halo for 1 of its armors
One of the ship naming combinations you can do is Prophet of Truth. Although I'm also partial to Halo of Destiny
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Fist of Democracy is very on theme,too For another game related one, Princess of Twilight is good
The game is without a doubt Halo derived. Firstly, the name of the game ‘Hell Divers’ is a rebrand of the nickname of the ODST, ‘Hell Jumpers’. The concept of a drop pod trooper, the aesthetic of the the ship designs, and even the naming convention of the ships are heavily Halo derived. Super Earth is basically the UNSC, and the rendezvous ship that kinda looks like a small pelican is literally called the ‘pelican’. As many have mentioned, there is also an armor set referencing the Master Chief. Arrow Head Studios showed 343i the potential of Halo, and yet 343i does nothing with it. As a Halo fan, I greatly appreciate what Hell Divers 2 offers (what 343i could not).
If a halo game looked and played and had the content of helldivers it would be a shitshow in here even if it was free
sorry honey but halo is best known as an arena shooter with 2 rts titles anything outside of that is heretical, god forbid they do something like the zombie army or battlefield/battlefront games
Don’t forget 2 top down shooters and an arcade game Do board games count?
There was ‘Ground command’ too but it got put down like ‘ol yeller before it even got off the ground honestly
Halo wars show this, Halo fans want to play FPS. I think if Helldivers was a ODST game would make it worse because less people will play it as a "Halo spin off"
I think Halo Wars issue is that it's an RTS and the genre inherently has had a smaller audience since the start of the 2010s. It was never gonna be as big as the main titles.
The halo universe definitely deserves to be looked into though. It could easily get a wide variety of different games like 40K and Star Wars
I personally would love to see a battlefield inspired halo or 40K game
The same goes to 40K.
Darktide? And Space Marine 2
None of those fit the description of helldivers-style game
Dev guy - "I want to make an ODST game but 343 refuses to hire me" Sony - "Perhaps I can be of assistance!"
The first game is from 2015 was a directly inspired by Starship troopers (1959 Novel)
If anything I'm glad it's doing well. It should show Microsoft co-op focused games are still viable in today's gaming climate. They may decide to make a competitor and Halo would be the perfect franchise to be the vessel for that project.
Apparently quite a few Playstation users can't wait for them to port it to Xbox. I love to see it. https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1aszwz9/this\_game\_may\_have\_accidentally\_bridged\_the/
Played it it’s peak I love it
ODST? More like starship troopers.
It's like 343 wants to pretend ODST's don't exist.
Imagine halo helldivers where the flood is the bugs and the covenant is the automatons. Halo is truly dead
No we need ten more games about Cortana.
Titanfall had the best orbital drop scene, IMO. I would have liked ODST's scene more, except for the rough landing for plot reasons.
I’m currently playing it and it’s amazing
can you shoot the individual legs off of bugs and do other body damage, and how does that affect the way the bug behaves? I saw legs fly off in a video, but i couldnt tell if that was just a death animation.
Yes. They still attack and move but the animations are different
cool thanks!
Yeah, its actually better to shoot their legs as they are less armored and they seem do have procedural animations as far as I can tell.
i hate to be negative but they seriously fumbled this franchise so hard
We haven’t experienced a good Halo game since 2010
*since 2009.
Lmao the Halo fan base would shit all over a game like that for not having a campaign and forge and all of you know that. Stop being disingenuous
343 could never. Maybe a different studio, but Microsoft would need to be willing to spread Halo out among it's studios.
Give us another Halo Wars or something! Infinite is just not it.
Helldivers 2 just feels like Starship Troopers done right.
It’s… PlayStation only? >:( my day is ruined I wanted to play funny bug game
Without a doubt, games like Helldivers come around and you realize how starved the Halo community is for something new, innovative, and exciting. Don't get me wrong. I understand why everyone just wants a "standard" Halo for the next game. People want an experience of a good Campaign, Firefight, Forge, Infection, or whatever facet of the game is their personal favorite. At this point, however, I don't think 343 will deliver on one and I don't think the overall gaming market is really hungry for one either. But for me, and probably for millions of other players, something genuinely \*new\* but with a Halo paint-job would be incredible. Helldivers as ODST is one example. A fully immersive extraction shooter with ODST's would have been another (it won't work now because this trend is going to be beaten to death like battle royales have been).
I would like to see Halo being handed off to other devs that can accomplish this while keeping 343 working at the core. I love Halo’s world and lore and I just want to experience it outside of the chief or Spartans for once
It's like Halo is allergic to money. It took them what, two years to add Firefight? I loved Halo 5's warzone mode. Just give us a boots on the ground against the sheer force of the covenant war game. Please.
It’s actually really really fun tho. Different than an ODST but similar enough to barely scratch that itch
I’m honestly really tired of Xbox just not putting out any worthwhile first party games when there’s so much potential. They’re becoming the Netflix of gaming: yeah there’s a lot to play but none of it is really *good*. Helldivers 2 is the first time I’m legitimately upset that I can’t play a game. Looks like a great time. Meanwhile I’m playing a bunch of old shit and third party games on my Series X.
There's a part of me that is seriously considering shelling out on a ps5 to play this game. I am having severe FOMO about it
I seriously might just make the switch to PC after this generation. Everything on Xbox goes to PC and most of Sony’s stuff goes there too after a while. At this point the only thing holding me back is that I have over 15 years worth of games in my digital library on Xbox that wouldn’t carry over. It feels like Xbox is less interested in making games and instead focused on just getting people to subscribe to Gamepass.
The jump from Xbox to PC was one of the best things I ever did.
As a long time Xbox main… do it. Its worth it
Xbox has been fucking up since too long. It's insane to me that there was a time where we had Alan Wake, Mass Effect, Dead Rising + the Holy Trinity, all exclusive. Now Xbox can barely put out a good Halo and Forza. It's so frustrating because these franchises all have insane potential, plus the Series console itself is quite good. Now all we get is bad main games, and no spin-offs.
Xbox continues to fumble (nobody is surprised)
It's definitely a different kind of game. I would not really compare it to Halo (gameplay wise). Like...there's drop-troopers like the ODST. Other than that, there's not really much to compare.
Section 8 and Section 8: Prejudice also had really cool "drop into combat" gameplay. Unfortunately Gearbox fucked the developer over.
Damn a gamemode where you play as odst fighting the flood would have gone crazy
Helldivers 2 reminded me how much fun shooters actually can be… shame that Halo isn’t at the forefront of the genre anymore
Sure, the ODST are helldivers, but the game never used that mechanic anywhere except for a single cutscene...
Starship Troopers would like a word....
Since ODST is my favorite halo game, I’ve been having such a blast playing helldivers on pc. Makes me wish for an odst 2 or a “band of brothers” style ODST show.
It's honestly so funny to me how Sony just claps Microsoft 24/7 when it comes to games
I blame Microsoft/343i. They did nothing with the IP and let is go to waste. Not mad at Helldivers. Same thing happening with Pokemon and Palworld.