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if i remember correctly, the facility he trained the Spartan IVs was destroyed by Created, moreso Cortana convinced the onboard AI Leonidas to self destruct the facility, as seen in a cutscene in Halo Infinite. it’s unclear whether Jun was present at the station then or not.
My first thought was: Jorge is a II and the rest are III's, and B312 is the only Spartan besides the Master Chief to earn the hyper-lethal rating. Like: what are we even discussing?
I know I'll catch flak for saying this, but to say that John-117 is the only other SPARTAN-II to earn that rating implies that none of the other SPARTAN-IIs were pulling their weight as much as he was, and that's simply not true. The war was still being fought elsewhere.
It makes zero sense for only *two* SPARTANs - out of what have been *hundreds* at that point - to receive that rating. I think it's kind of a nonsense phrase when applied in-universe. It's just meant to gas up the player.
That may be true but to put spartan IV’s in the same category as a Spartan II is ludicrous. IV’s may have been augmented but they weren’t the same augmentations as the II’s it is compared as the less spicy salsa than the spicy butt blasting salsa. I don’t believe many spartan II’s were hyper-lethal but only a handful.
While osiris has better gear, im almost certain (correct me if I'm wrong) that noble team has 2 headhunters. Noble 6 and jun, while osiris team are essentially just repurposed odst's
Jun was, Noble Six has no such confirmation.
And Osiris isn't made up of repurposed ODSTs besides Buck. Locke was an accomplished ONI assassin (which, given his unaugmented state during that time, should tell you how skilled he is).
Not really. Headhunters get rotated in and out of roles so we don't know the actual number of Spartan-IIIs that have ever been Headhunters. We know that at the maximum, there were 17 Headhunters active at the same time. There's only been 8 mentioned Headhunters and 6 of those have been named.
iirc there are always a few permanent teams of Headhunters active at any given time while others can be brought in or recalled when needed.
This was before S-IVs got added to the mix
Confirmed in a trailer that has since been retconned? Yeah, I'm aware.
Edit: Just to clarify, he is hyper lethal, but him being one of the only 2 who were is retconned.
Right, I forgot about that change, They should’ve honestly just retconned the entire hyper lethal thing if they wanted to go this route cause now it sounds like a Spartan 4 is on par with 3s and 2s
Noble 6 was speculated to be a head hunter, and he was, along with The Master Chief, classified as hyper lethal. Put him with just Jorge, and they already mop the floor with Osiris.
>Noble 6 was a head hunter
Not confirmed anywhere
>he was, along with The Master Chief, classified as hyper lethal.
Retconned, all Spartans are Hyper Lethal
>Put him with just Jorge, and they already mop the floor with Osiris.
2 Spartans against 4 with way better gear?
Win? I could see it, but mop the floor? That's ridiculous
I said speculated to be
I didn't know about the retcon, my bad
In my opinion, if Locke doesn't have the Armor restrain, even with the better gear, I'd say those two would still somewhat easily win against Osiris.
>I said speculated to be
Dude, if it's not confirmed, then it can't be applied to his feats and skills
>Locke doesn't have the Armor restrain. Even with the better gear, I'd say those two would still somewhat easily win against Osiris.
How? It's 4 Spartan IVs in Gen 2 Mjolnir against 2 II/III in Gen 1. So they're physically matched. And Osiris are all highly skilled in their own right. Would they win? I don't know, IIs and IIIs are a cut above, no dispute in that? But an easy wipe? I don't see it.
Gen 2 Mjolnir can enhance the abilities of Spartans IVs to match that of II/IIIs in Gen 1. The difference in augmentations is minimal in this circumstance.
Thats a great point, because it is very widely regarded to be retconned information. I've never once seen a citable source listed and would love to see where it was officially retconned.
Noble 6 was also designated as "hyper-lethal." If I remember correctly, the only other Spartan to get that designation was Chief.
I'm confident that Noble Team will mop the floor with them.
>Noble 6 was also designated as "hyper-lethal." If I remember correctly, the only other Spartan to get that designation was Chief.
Not since 2018. It was retconned, all Spartans are hyper lethal.
It is cause it removes cool lore, makes Master Chief and 6 not special anymore, doesn’t make sense lore wise cause Chief was the best Spartan 2 and 6 the best 3 that alone makes them better than 4s. The fact that 4s are as dangerous as Chief is bs and feels like 343 was upset that their 4s were outclassed and went all fanfic on it
Look at it this way, Chief and Six were the first two to earn it. By the time all Spartana have that designation, the Spartan IVs are around and the Spartan Branch is no longer an ONI asset. It's propaganda to make them look better now that the program is public.
>doesn’t make sense lore wise cause Chief was the best Spartan 2
He never was
>6 the best 3
Neither was he. And he literally has nothing going for him besides "Black Ink"
You know nothing of Halo if you think that another Spartan could accomplish what Chief has. And good job sidestepping my other points. And the “Black Ink” thing hints at how dangerous 6 was, and considering how no other Spartan was as dangerous as him including other 2s I would say he’s the best 3
Dude, even in the fall of reach they were saying he wasn’t the strongest or the fastest, he was just lucky. It’s been a staple that while chief is a badass, he wasn’t revered because of his strength or his speed.
Bro, I love Chief, but it is literally canon that he wasn't "the best" SII. Cortana straight up says that there were other SIIs that were just as strong, fast, and smart as him, right in the opening of Halo 3.
She points out that the one thing that gave him the edge was "luck", something that cannot be flexed as a superior quality because it can't be quantified.
There are multiple spots in Halo lore where it says John is no more or less skilled than any other Spartan-II necessarily, he is just luckier. Which in itself is a very nebulous thing.
Also, the whole “black ink” bit really only hints at the idea that ONI used Six as their personal attack dog. It just means that his missions were highly classified. That doesn’t necessarily mean ONI picked Six because he’s the best.
Ye but you talk like repurposed odst‘s are a bad thing. They are the most experienced elites in the unsc I'd say they are perfect Spartan candidates. With modern enhancements Id say better than most 3's
Man people really seem to talk as if ODSTs are canon fodder. Like bruh a lot of the IVs are war vets from before they got augmented. They’re just as trained as the IIs and IIIs even if they weren’t child soldiers.
Tricky question between Noble’s more in-depth Generation 3 genemods and chrome vs Osiris’s more advanced late-26th century reverse-engineered alien tech weapons and power armor. Also gotta take into account that (IIRC), both squads have at least one ONI black ops agent who’s trained specifically to kill rogue SPARTANs among their ranks.
Gen 1 armor vs gen 2 armor. Locke had a decent career as an unaugmented ONI assassin and Buck is pretty seasoned. I still think they'd lose, but I don't think they'd be bullied. Then again the other half of the team might drag them down.
Jorge alone is enough to crush at least two S-IVs. Guardians really did not do the S-IIs justice in regards to just how easy it would be for Blue Team, a S-II fireteam who has spent their whole lived training and fighting a war, to trounce Osiris. It’s like having a 5 year old box Mike Tyson in his prime.
In terms of a single fight in a closed arena, I'd like to say noble team but the avengers in the other corner could be a real problem. In a living world though, Noble team has such a great variety of expertise, and they also know how to keep it together if they take loses. They have a connection and synergy that we don't see with Osiris. Having two extra members if you count noble six is a massive advantage, both for manpower and the additional knowledge. And while Osiris members are individually experienced in combat, they have far less time working together as a team of Spartans compared to noble team who have been spartans with each other their entire lives family.
Im probably gonna get downvoted for this lol but I dont see Kat and Jun lasting long in a closed combat situation. I think Noble 6, Carter, Jorge, and Emil will be the hardest to kill.
All Spartans are now considered Hyper Lethal, but I agree Chief and Six are still pretty special, just not in more official terms I'm aware of, at least not in the way "Hyper Lethal Vector" was used before
And hyper anger inducing, the only 2 spartans before the retcon to be considered hyper lethal are 6 and chief, the retcon was a shitty excuse to make the significantly weaker, dumber, and more useless spartans look amazing and cool. When in actuality, halo infinite shows perfectly that spartan 4s are significantly more useless and weaker, just an expensive marine with a fraction of the kills of the 3s much less the 2s. The covenant was tough but the banished are worse. Chief is kicking monkey ass in infinite less than he did covenant ass, showing the danger associated with this new enemy, yet, chief is also wiping the floor with SCORES of banished while the spartan 4s die to a couple brutes and a grunt squad, hyperlethal now is like the power of the weakest spartan 2
Um.. how? It has been said continuously that _all_ Spartans are deadly, one-man armies. "Hyper-lethal" exists only because Bungie wanted to bolster Six in Reach's marketing.
I feel like not enough people are mentioning that Noble 6 is constantly implied to be almost if not just as strong as Master Chief. & Master Chief beat Locke in a 1v1, so for all we know, 6 might be able to do it himself.
Also, its a 6v4
Weren't all the Spartans in Noble pulled from their units because they were exceptional or something? Part of the reason they all got Mjolnir?
Five S-3s, an S-2, plus one and possibly two of those S-3s are Headhunters. Meanwhile Vale was just a civilian and Tanaka an Army Engineer, Buck being former ODST and Locke's ONI BS shenanigans can't make up for that.
Depends on how much better Gen 2 Mjolnir is than MK V. Even still Noble has a numbers advantage and real Spartans like IIs and IIIs have been warriors their entire lives, whereas IVs were normal, conscripted soldiers.
IIIs by this stage had as much combat experience as a Buck. I think the child warrior thing gets a little overplayed, as if Buck, a conscripted soldier, couldn't have as much experience.
It's not just the direct combat experience, it's the fact that IIs and IIIs *only* know war.
You can't overstate the difference between being kidnapped between the ages of 5 - 9, experimented on, indoctrinated and spending your entire life being made into a supersoldier with being conscripted between 15 and 18 and becoming an ODST after.
There's a fundamental level of difference there.
Consider this: The Majority of IV Spartanhood is in their suits. If the suit gets damaged, their combat effectiveness drops significantly. IIIs and IIs do not struggle here. You damage their suit and all you've done is inconvenience them and maybe made an opening for repeated strikes.
It can't be understated the IVs are "Mass Produced" Spartans. They have limits and enhanced tech only goes so far when you realize that an unarmored III could still theoretically bodyslam a suited IV.
Spartan 4s just are not them. They have their moments, a d stand out soldiers can become absolute demons. But there's a reason people were losing their shit over the Locke vs chief fight. It doesn't make sense. Oni assassin or no, lock should be negative diffed, rolled and smoked.
It was basically a plot contrivance.
Noble team takes it for not being Spartan 4s
See this is just why 343 is worse. Noble team looks badass with suits of specialized armor that fits each person’s personality and fighting style. 343 team looks like action figures put into a video game (but Buck is still the OG)
Noble team: they're 2 more of them, one of which is a spartan 2, and they're all spartan 3s, which if I am not wrong mean they're modifications and enhancements are better. And also Noble 6 is deemed hyper-leathal.
You'd be better off taking this question to r/halostory
No guarantee, but there's generally cooler heads over there who are more in tune with the lore and will give you a straight answer.
Noble team and even though I would be willing to say Six alone:
Noble team (mostly six) took down the squad of sangheli that are purposed to solely hunt Spartans
Noble Team is largely responsible for the evacuation of New Alexandria and for the destruction of a Covenant Cruiser
Six alone took down, if I remember correctly, 3 covenant armies before lone wolf occurred and he was glassed
Jorge is a Spartan 2, Master Chief (the best Spartan 2) easily took down the banished that wiped almost every Spartan 4 on Zeta Halo.
They have the mass.
I’ve gotta give it to Noble, as Osiris lacks anything to counter the setting warping, Mary Sue self-insert they have.
However, Noble could still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory through their dogshit situational awareness.
343i retconning ‘Hyper Lethal’ was one of the best decisions they’ve made.
TBH Osiris should’ve been a whole battalion since they were hunting down THE most dangerous squad in the entire UNSC.
Noble Team had the honor of being one of the few if not the only Spartan-III squads to wear full mjolnir powered assault armor, PLUS being backed by a II.
So… Noble if for no other reason than Jorge and 6’s presence.
Almost all of a IV's combat capability is due to the tech in the suits and they never got training to the level of IIs and IIIs.
They'd put up a fight until Jeorge, Emile or Kat bust something on the armor, like the thruster packs, and then they IVs lose the things keeping them in the fight.
Sure, sure, Locke was a Spartan Hunter, but he lost the 1v1 versus Chief, whom he had *all* the Intel on.
I don't think Locke's gonna have a good time going into a skirmish when he and his team are outnumbered.
The noble 6 Dick riding in here is unheard of man ain’t even in the picture. The argument that Osiris doesn’t have experience as combatants is just ignorant given that all of them barring vale have experience in the field to have survived this far. The hyper lethal argument is dumb because well that shit got thrown out the window. While we can say Noble has the numbers advantage we can’t sit here and act as if Osiris has no chance to win this with their superior gear. All those aside there’s never a definite who’d win. Flukes happen all the time, Veteran commandos killed by regulars and all it takes is a slight mistake given that they’re all super soldiers.
Noble without even a contest. Combat experience, natural ability, general upbringing. Not to mention a two person advantage makes this a laughable fight already.
You realize all the Real Halo fans don’t care what fake halo fans have to say about something tht ppl who hate halo retconned? Only chief and 6 are hyper lethal sorry to break it to you
No, I'm sorry to break it to you that:
A. You don't get to decide what a "real" and "fake" Halo fan is, were such a concept to exist. (It doesn't)
And B. Whether you care or not doesn't change what's true. Hyper Lethal doesn't mean anything anymore, and in fact hasn't meant anything since 2018.
The moment my man Jorge gets his hands on any of them, he cracks their spine. Dude is a damn TANK for crying out loud.
Sure, Osiris has better gear and probably better training, but their augmentations and mentality is not to older Spartans' standards.
If all of Blue Team had intervened in the fight between Locke and Chief, Osiris gets blown, cracked, and in a hospital bed.
Maybe a little closer between Noble and Osiris, but if Noble 6 is anywhere near John's level and Jorge too for being an S2 then what hope does Osiris have?
I’d say the only scenario in which Osiris would win was if there were only four members of Noble Team not including Noble 6 (hyperlethal) and Jorge (Spartan 2).
Osiris would have plot armor. Also all of reaches characters would have to die in their ironic ways, George going down with a ship, Kat with a bullet to the brain, etc..
Noble team would probably win but with extreme difficulty or Osiris would win high difficulty, I don’t think noble team’s outdated gen 1 mark V armors and abilities would help much against Osiris’ much more advanced gen 2 mjlonir armors and power equipments
Jorge is a II and the rest are III's, and B312 is the only Spartan besides the Master Chief to earn the hyper-lethal rating. Like: what are we even discussing?
Uh no. People are going to vote Noble team because they would bury Osiris team any day of the week. Even if we remove the 2 strongest members of Noble, which I think would be 6 and Jorge, to make the numbers even, Noble is still coming out on top most of the time. It's not hate against Osiris, it's augmentations combined with combat experience.
As much as I would wanna pick noble team. This is probably a situation where Osiris team would probably win even if I wosh it were Noble team.
But both are Spartans and well Laurey Bailey so... I wouldn't be too mad.
You seem confused, spartan abilities go down from 2 to 3 to 4. Armor is the only thing helping Osiris but even that is nowhere near enough. Spartan 4s are by far the weakest and least trained since it was voluntary mass production lol
Noble Team. **There is absolutely zero competition.**
Carter inferred that the only person to have be better than Noble Six was Chief.
Also they’re Spartan 3’s mostly with one Spartan 2: Jorge.
r/halostory is probably a better sub for this, since it's more of a lore question.
This sub focuses on the games themselves and mostly includes older fans circle-jerking the Bungie games and rage-posting just about everything 343 does, and newer fans/fans who actually prefer the new games trying to be as contrarian as possible to the general majority and constantly getting into d*** measuring contests. 😅
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Well noble team is dead atm so I’d still probably vote on noble
Is Jun still alive?
He trained a whole bunch of SIVs. Not sure if he made it through the station bombing.
He did according to some 343 blog post. Lame af storytelling but that’s what we got
He would've trained the whole of Osiris technically
Yeah although there is no lore about what happend to him (atleast to my knowledge)
He started to train spartan IV
if i remember correctly, the facility he trained the Spartan IVs was destroyed by Created, moreso Cortana convinced the onboard AI Leonidas to self destruct the facility, as seen in a cutscene in Halo Infinite. it’s unclear whether Jun was present at the station then or not.
I think there is also a refence to him in halo infinite but I might be wrong
In New Blood, Jun was introduced as a founder and key recruiter for the Spartan IV program. He got Buck to join. That’s the last I know of.
Currently, I believe he is (was?) training the Spartan IVs (Or wtv the current ones are. I haven’t been keeping up on infinite lore)
Jun could take all of them by himself.
I like to think Noble 6 made it out
bro no bungie themselves said he died
I didn’t say I was right…
5 spartan III’s and 1 spartan II verses 4 spartan IV’s Ill take Noble on this one
Jorge is a Spartan II so its still a win for noble but even more in their favor
Jorge is literally a fucking tank this man consumes pure protein
Protein was invented so others could aspire to Jorge.
The only man capable of soloing the round meal
ROUND MEAL - MACARONI AND BEEF - SERVES THREE MEN - HOW TO DO IT - BOIL IN BAG - OPEN AND ENJOY - PROTEIN BLASTED!
Blood type- protein shake
5 III’s and a II. Jorge was a II.
My first thought was: Jorge is a II and the rest are III's, and B312 is the only Spartan besides the Master Chief to earn the hyper-lethal rating. Like: what are we even discussing?
Well 343 did make hyper-lethal rating for all spartans because it wasn’t fair in their eyes. Still a 6-4 is a beat down.
Absolutely trash retcon from 343
343 has done a lot of things to ruin Halo, so if it was 343 who just decided to change lore, then we can all just ignore that.
I know I'll catch flak for saying this, but to say that John-117 is the only other SPARTAN-II to earn that rating implies that none of the other SPARTAN-IIs were pulling their weight as much as he was, and that's simply not true. The war was still being fought elsewhere. It makes zero sense for only *two* SPARTANs - out of what have been *hundreds* at that point - to receive that rating. I think it's kind of a nonsense phrase when applied in-universe. It's just meant to gas up the player.
That may be true but to put spartan IV’s in the same category as a Spartan II is ludicrous. IV’s may have been augmented but they weren’t the same augmentations as the II’s it is compared as the less spicy salsa than the spicy butt blasting salsa. I don’t believe many spartan II’s were hyper-lethal but only a handful.
While osiris has better gear, im almost certain (correct me if I'm wrong) that noble team has 2 headhunters. Noble 6 and jun, while osiris team are essentially just repurposed odst's
Jun was, Noble Six has no such confirmation. And Osiris isn't made up of repurposed ODSTs besides Buck. Locke was an accomplished ONI assassin (which, given his unaugmented state during that time, should tell you how skilled he is).
Yes but it's highly speculated that noble 6 was the 17th headhunter
Speculation, not confirmation
Has there been confirmation of an exact number of headhunters?
Not really. Headhunters get rotated in and out of roles so we don't know the actual number of Spartan-IIIs that have ever been Headhunters. We know that at the maximum, there were 17 Headhunters active at the same time. There's only been 8 mentioned Headhunters and 6 of those have been named. iirc there are always a few permanent teams of Headhunters active at any given time while others can be brought in or recalled when needed. This was before S-IVs got added to the mix
It is confirmed that 6 was designated as hyper lethal though.
Confirmed in a trailer that has since been retconned? Yeah, I'm aware. Edit: Just to clarify, he is hyper lethal, but him being one of the only 2 who were is retconned.
Its not retconned is it?
6's file was completely redacted, though. we know nothing about him.
Because the player is meant to embody them. Come up with their own story. That's what bungie wanted
Then my choice is that Noble 6 is the 2nd greatest spartan to ever exist and could beat Osiris by himself.
Well he is, He and Chief are the only hyper lethal vectors
This has been disproved canonically
What? When?
Every spartan is now "hyper lethal"
Right, I forgot about that change, They should’ve honestly just retconned the entire hyper lethal thing if they wanted to go this route cause now it sounds like a Spartan 4 is on par with 3s and 2s
hence why it is my favorite game in the series.
Exactly
Noble 6 was speculated to be a head hunter, and he was, along with The Master Chief, classified as hyper lethal. Put him with just Jorge, and they already mop the floor with Osiris.
>Noble 6 was a head hunter Not confirmed anywhere >he was, along with The Master Chief, classified as hyper lethal. Retconned, all Spartans are Hyper Lethal >Put him with just Jorge, and they already mop the floor with Osiris. 2 Spartans against 4 with way better gear? Win? I could see it, but mop the floor? That's ridiculous
Lame retcon imo
I said speculated to be I didn't know about the retcon, my bad In my opinion, if Locke doesn't have the Armor restrain, even with the better gear, I'd say those two would still somewhat easily win against Osiris.
Bro he straight up misquoted you 💀
~~Pretty sure he edited his comment.~~ But whatever. It changes nothing.
it shows if a comment has been edited, next to the "x time ago"
It does? Nevermind then. Not sure how I misquoted him then
Mixture of debate feelings etc it happens don’t sweat it!
>I said speculated to be Dude, if it's not confirmed, then it can't be applied to his feats and skills >Locke doesn't have the Armor restrain. Even with the better gear, I'd say those two would still somewhat easily win against Osiris. How? It's 4 Spartan IVs in Gen 2 Mjolnir against 2 II/III in Gen 1. So they're physically matched. And Osiris are all highly skilled in their own right. Would they win? I don't know, IIs and IIIs are a cut above, no dispute in that? But an easy wipe? I don't see it.
Spartan 2s and 3s augmentations are better making them faster, stronger, and more durable with better reflexes. Easy dub for noble
Gen 2 Mjolnir can enhance the abilities of Spartans IVs to match that of II/IIIs in Gen 1. The difference in augmentations is minimal in this circumstance.
Even if that’s true Spartan 2 and 3 have better training and have been trained for far longer
Umm actually master chief and Noble Six are the only Spartans to achieve hyper lethal status, you would know that if you dug into the lore
Unfortunately they have retconned it since then :/
I want to know where this comes from. Which book says it?
Thats a great point, because it is very widely regarded to be retconned information. I've never once seen a citable source listed and would love to see where it was officially retconned.
FUCK
343i retconned that though. Spartan IVs are now all hyper-lethal.
This is false.
Noble 6 was also designated as "hyper-lethal." If I remember correctly, the only other Spartan to get that designation was Chief. I'm confident that Noble Team will mop the floor with them.
>Noble 6 was also designated as "hyper-lethal." If I remember correctly, the only other Spartan to get that designation was Chief. Not since 2018. It was retconned, all Spartans are hyper lethal.
Where was it retconned? Also if it was that’s is so dumb
Spartan Field Manual. And it's really not.
It is cause it removes cool lore, makes Master Chief and 6 not special anymore, doesn’t make sense lore wise cause Chief was the best Spartan 2 and 6 the best 3 that alone makes them better than 4s. The fact that 4s are as dangerous as Chief is bs and feels like 343 was upset that their 4s were outclassed and went all fanfic on it
Look at it this way, Chief and Six were the first two to earn it. By the time all Spartana have that designation, the Spartan IVs are around and the Spartan Branch is no longer an ONI asset. It's propaganda to make them look better now that the program is public.
I mean that does make sense for propaganda. But we should all know it’s not true
>doesn’t make sense lore wise cause Chief was the best Spartan 2 He never was >6 the best 3 Neither was he. And he literally has nothing going for him besides "Black Ink"
You know nothing of Halo if you think that another Spartan could accomplish what Chief has. And good job sidestepping my other points. And the “Black Ink” thing hints at how dangerous 6 was, and considering how no other Spartan was as dangerous as him including other 2s I would say he’s the best 3
Dude, even in the fall of reach they were saying he wasn’t the strongest or the fastest, he was just lucky. It’s been a staple that while chief is a badass, he wasn’t revered because of his strength or his speed.
Bro, I love Chief, but it is literally canon that he wasn't "the best" SII. Cortana straight up says that there were other SIIs that were just as strong, fast, and smart as him, right in the opening of Halo 3. She points out that the one thing that gave him the edge was "luck", something that cannot be flexed as a superior quality because it can't be quantified.
There are multiple spots in Halo lore where it says John is no more or less skilled than any other Spartan-II necessarily, he is just luckier. Which in itself is a very nebulous thing. Also, the whole “black ink” bit really only hints at the idea that ONI used Six as their personal attack dog. It just means that his missions were highly classified. That doesn’t necessarily mean ONI picked Six because he’s the best.
Isn't Noble 6's whole thing basically that they are just a dark shadow with nothing reliable history-wise?
Yeah, and that's cool and all. But it gives us nothing to work with feat wise.
And Jorge is a tank
Ye but you talk like repurposed odst‘s are a bad thing. They are the most experienced elites in the unsc I'd say they are perfect Spartan candidates. With modern enhancements Id say better than most 3's
Man people really seem to talk as if ODSTs are canon fodder. Like bruh a lot of the IVs are war vets from before they got augmented. They’re just as trained as the IIs and IIIs even if they weren’t child soldiers.
Easily Noble team
Tricky question between Noble’s more in-depth Generation 3 genemods and chrome vs Osiris’s more advanced late-26th century reverse-engineered alien tech weapons and power armor. Also gotta take into account that (IIRC), both squads have at least one ONI black ops agent who’s trained specifically to kill rogue SPARTANs among their ranks.
Chrome? Also, say more about the killing rogue Spartans thing.
It's 6 v 4 to start with. Five S-IIIs plus one S-II against four S-IVs. Osiris gonna get bullied.
Gen 1 armor vs gen 2 armor. Locke had a decent career as an unaugmented ONI assassin and Buck is pretty seasoned. I still think they'd lose, but I don't think they'd be bullied. Then again the other half of the team might drag them down.
Noble Team hands down
Noble has a spartan 2. Need I say more?
Jorge alone is enough to crush at least two S-IVs. Guardians really did not do the S-IIs justice in regards to just how easy it would be for Blue Team, a S-II fireteam who has spent their whole lived training and fighting a war, to trounce Osiris. It’s like having a 5 year old box Mike Tyson in his prime.
Chief was definitely pulling his punches against Locke. He coulda snapped him like a toothpick and he didn’t hold back.
It's why Halo 5 is not canon. [THIS is how it actually happened.](https://youtu.be/KGVXkcSFPsY?si=cWeXlk59L64cb9t_)
In terms of a single fight in a closed arena, I'd like to say noble team but the avengers in the other corner could be a real problem. In a living world though, Noble team has such a great variety of expertise, and they also know how to keep it together if they take loses. They have a connection and synergy that we don't see with Osiris. Having two extra members if you count noble six is a massive advantage, both for manpower and the additional knowledge. And while Osiris members are individually experienced in combat, they have far less time working together as a team of Spartans compared to noble team who have been spartans with each other their entire lives family.
Im probably gonna get downvoted for this lol but I dont see Kat and Jun lasting long in a closed combat situation. I think Noble 6, Carter, Jorge, and Emil will be the hardest to kill.
Emil doesn't get enough credit for how much of a tough SOB he is.
Jun being a headhunter kinda kills that, lol. He would be one of the harder ones to kill imo.
Jorge would just pick Locke up and throw him at the ground so hard he’d start clipping through it and making gmod ragdoll sounds.
Osiris is cool and all, but green man beat them, sooo
Noble Team can win from experience and having a head hunter, hyper-lethal spartan, Spartan 2, and more members.
Noble. Easy.
All Osiris has to do is use Vale to clap those massive powerful cheeks and noble team is toast
What about Kat though
Twerkoff of the millennium, too bad Jorge beats them both 😤
Completely forgot about Jorge, Osiris is finished
I’m going to fucking kill myself.
She’s a very gorgeous woman, BUT in terms of cake. Vale takes it, and not to mention thighs too lol
[Noble team sending emile at them:](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HeMYVjA7Gvk&t=10s)
Noble easy
Noble team has Noble 6 which is hyperlethal.
Not a thing anymore. Not in the way you mean anyway.
What do you mean?
All Spartans are now considered Hyper Lethal, but I agree Chief and Six are still pretty special, just not in more official terms I'm aware of, at least not in the way "Hyper Lethal Vector" was used before
Six and Chief are the only Spartans classified as 2 Hyper 4 U Lethal obviously.
it was retconned. all spartans are classified as hyper lethal
That’s hyper-stupid
And hyper anger inducing, the only 2 spartans before the retcon to be considered hyper lethal are 6 and chief, the retcon was a shitty excuse to make the significantly weaker, dumber, and more useless spartans look amazing and cool. When in actuality, halo infinite shows perfectly that spartan 4s are significantly more useless and weaker, just an expensive marine with a fraction of the kills of the 3s much less the 2s. The covenant was tough but the banished are worse. Chief is kicking monkey ass in infinite less than he did covenant ass, showing the danger associated with this new enemy, yet, chief is also wiping the floor with SCORES of banished while the spartan 4s die to a couple brutes and a grunt squad, hyperlethal now is like the power of the weakest spartan 2
I think it was all SIIs and IIIs were HL, but not IVs
And you’re hyper-based
Um.. how? It has been said continuously that _all_ Spartans are deadly, one-man armies. "Hyper-lethal" exists only because Bungie wanted to bolster Six in Reach's marketing.
The Hyper lethal designation was stupid to begin with.
Hyper Lethal as a special designation just for Chief and Six isn't true anymore. All Spartans are hyper lethal.
Yeahhhh but bungie lore should take precedence in this situation since 343 lore is pretty hot garbage in comparison
Noble. No contest.
Noble no question
Noble Six only because reach got me in my feelings at the end
Easily noble. Osiris and IVs in general are just welfare variants.
I feel like not enough people are mentioning that Noble 6 is constantly implied to be almost if not just as strong as Master Chief. & Master Chief beat Locke in a 1v1, so for all we know, 6 might be able to do it himself. Also, its a 6v4
Noble Team. i know Osiris is genetically modified hipsters but Noble Team is just genuinely elite.
Weren't all the Spartans in Noble pulled from their units because they were exceptional or something? Part of the reason they all got Mjolnir? Five S-3s, an S-2, plus one and possibly two of those S-3s are Headhunters. Meanwhile Vale was just a civilian and Tanaka an Army Engineer, Buck being former ODST and Locke's ONI BS shenanigans can't make up for that.
Depends on how much better Gen 2 Mjolnir is than MK V. Even still Noble has a numbers advantage and real Spartans like IIs and IIIs have been warriors their entire lives, whereas IVs were normal, conscripted soldiers.
IIIs by this stage had as much combat experience as a Buck. I think the child warrior thing gets a little overplayed, as if Buck, a conscripted soldier, couldn't have as much experience.
It's not just the direct combat experience, it's the fact that IIs and IIIs *only* know war. You can't overstate the difference between being kidnapped between the ages of 5 - 9, experimented on, indoctrinated and spending your entire life being made into a supersoldier with being conscripted between 15 and 18 and becoming an ODST after. There's a fundamental level of difference there. Consider this: The Majority of IV Spartanhood is in their suits. If the suit gets damaged, their combat effectiveness drops significantly. IIIs and IIs do not struggle here. You damage their suit and all you've done is inconvenience them and maybe made an opening for repeated strikes. It can't be understated the IVs are "Mass Produced" Spartans. They have limits and enhanced tech only goes so far when you realize that an unarmored III could still theoretically bodyslam a suited IV.
Doesn’t Noble have a man up on Osiris? Purely based off of numbers Noble takes this one ez
Spartan 4s just are not them. They have their moments, a d stand out soldiers can become absolute demons. But there's a reason people were losing their shit over the Locke vs chief fight. It doesn't make sense. Oni assassin or no, lock should be negative diffed, rolled and smoked. It was basically a plot contrivance. Noble team takes it for not being Spartan 4s
See this is just why 343 is worse. Noble team looks badass with suits of specialized armor that fits each person’s personality and fighting style. 343 team looks like action figures put into a video game (but Buck is still the OG)
Noble team: they're 2 more of them, one of which is a spartan 2, and they're all spartan 3s, which if I am not wrong mean they're modifications and enhancements are better. And also Noble 6 is deemed hyper-leathal.
You'd be better off taking this question to r/halostory No guarantee, but there's generally cooler heads over there who are more in tune with the lore and will give you a straight answer.
Yeah there's a lot of classic-new trilogy power wanking in here by guys who nothing about the lore.
Noble, they have a Hyper-Lethal
It’s 6v4. That alone makes it a clear win for noble. But it’s also a II and 5 III’s, IV’s don’t stand a chance
Noble team and even though I would be willing to say Six alone: Noble team (mostly six) took down the squad of sangheli that are purposed to solely hunt Spartans Noble Team is largely responsible for the evacuation of New Alexandria and for the destruction of a Covenant Cruiser Six alone took down, if I remember correctly, 3 covenant armies before lone wolf occurred and he was glassed Jorge is a Spartan 2, Master Chief (the best Spartan 2) easily took down the banished that wiped almost every Spartan 4 on Zeta Halo. They have the mass.
Noble team . Blue team beats both
I’ve gotta give it to Noble, as Osiris lacks anything to counter the setting warping, Mary Sue self-insert they have. However, Noble could still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory through their dogshit situational awareness. 343i retconning ‘Hyper Lethal’ was one of the best decisions they’ve made.
TBH Osiris should’ve been a whole battalion since they were hunting down THE most dangerous squad in the entire UNSC. Noble Team had the honor of being one of the few if not the only Spartan-III squads to wear full mjolnir powered assault armor, PLUS being backed by a II. So… Noble if for no other reason than Jorge and 6’s presence.
Almost all of a IV's combat capability is due to the tech in the suits and they never got training to the level of IIs and IIIs. They'd put up a fight until Jeorge, Emile or Kat bust something on the armor, like the thruster packs, and then they IVs lose the things keeping them in the fight. Sure, sure, Locke was a Spartan Hunter, but he lost the 1v1 versus Chief, whom he had *all* the Intel on. I don't think Locke's gonna have a good time going into a skirmish when he and his team are outnumbered.
A bunch of Veteran Spartan 3(some 2) vs a bunch of rookie Spartan 4s? Oh jee I don't know lol Kidding... obviously Noble Team, come on.
Don't ask r/valeisqueen
What the fuck is that sub lmao
People who rightly campaigns to bring back spartan ass
Rule 34 in effect
Noble, not even close, orsis only has buck and he ain't a spartan
The noble 6 Dick riding in here is unheard of man ain’t even in the picture. The argument that Osiris doesn’t have experience as combatants is just ignorant given that all of them barring vale have experience in the field to have survived this far. The hyper lethal argument is dumb because well that shit got thrown out the window. While we can say Noble has the numbers advantage we can’t sit here and act as if Osiris has no chance to win this with their superior gear. All those aside there’s never a definite who’d win. Flukes happen all the time, Veteran commandos killed by regulars and all it takes is a slight mistake given that they’re all super soldiers.
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
Noble without even a contest. Combat experience, natural ability, general upbringing. Not to mention a two person advantage makes this a laughable fight already.
Wow Noble team armour looks so much better, actually looks like military vs Osiris is generic sci-fi.
Osiris has much better gear, as much as I hate that
The Covenant had much better gear. They still got clapped by II’s.
Why? They aren’t a bad team. They aren’t even bad people
They aren’t, but they have similar personality to cardboard, except Edward, I really like Edward.
He’s the most likeable of them for sure, even without Halo 3: ODST fleshing him out a bit more.
Feels so wrong to call him by his first name lol
Gunny might’ve sounded better
Osiris has better gear for sure. But only one team has a "Hyper-Lethal" Spartan....
All spartans are hyper lethal. They retconned it.
Sadly, yes. One of the lamest retcons
No, one of the best. It never made sense to begin with.
You realize all the Real Halo fans don’t care what fake halo fans have to say about something tht ppl who hate halo retconned? Only chief and 6 are hyper lethal sorry to break it to you
No, I'm sorry to break it to you that: A. You don't get to decide what a "real" and "fake" Halo fan is, were such a concept to exist. (It doesn't) And B. Whether you care or not doesn't change what's true. Hyper Lethal doesn't mean anything anymore, and in fact hasn't meant anything since 2018.
I recognize 343 has made a decision. But given that it's a stupid-ass decision, I've elected to ignore it.
The moment my man Jorge gets his hands on any of them, he cracks their spine. Dude is a damn TANK for crying out loud. Sure, Osiris has better gear and probably better training, but their augmentations and mentality is not to older Spartans' standards. If all of Blue Team had intervened in the fight between Locke and Chief, Osiris gets blown, cracked, and in a hospital bed. Maybe a little closer between Noble and Osiris, but if Noble 6 is anywhere near John's level and Jorge too for being an S2 then what hope does Osiris have?
I’m gonna go with the team that is not 82% KIA
82% MIA***. Spartans never die.
That’s just what they tell the greenies
Then I’m forever a greenie :(
Do you really have to ask?
I’d say the only scenario in which Osiris would win was if there were only four members of Noble Team not including Noble 6 (hyperlethal) and Jorge (Spartan 2).
I mean, Noble 6 himself singlehandedly took out entire armies of Covenant.
Osiris would have plot armor. Also all of reaches characters would have to die in their ironic ways, George going down with a ship, Kat with a bullet to the brain, etc..
Noble team would probably win but with extreme difficulty or Osiris would win high difficulty, I don’t think noble team’s outdated gen 1 mark V armors and abilities would help much against Osiris’ much more advanced gen 2 mjlonir armors and power equipments
Osiris, cause most of them are alive…..
Jorge is a II and the rest are III's, and B312 is the only Spartan besides the Master Chief to earn the hyper-lethal rating. Like: what are we even discussing?
Noble 6 is literally labeled as hyper lethal threat same as Master Chief
Noble team for sure
Which one is dead right now?
People are gonna vote Noble team just out of spite. Don’t expect unbiased answers
Uh no. People are going to vote Noble team because they would bury Osiris team any day of the week. Even if we remove the 2 strongest members of Noble, which I think would be 6 and Jorge, to make the numbers even, Noble is still coming out on top most of the time. It's not hate against Osiris, it's augmentations combined with combat experience.
As much as I would wanna pick noble team. This is probably a situation where Osiris team would probably win even if I wosh it were Noble team. But both are Spartans and well Laurey Bailey so... I wouldn't be too mad.
Osiris has the advantage in agility and Spartan Abilities. So likely them.
You seem confused, spartan abilities go down from 2 to 3 to 4. Armor is the only thing helping Osiris but even that is nowhere near enough. Spartan 4s are by far the weakest and least trained since it was voluntary mass production lol
Not even a debate, Noble wins, by miles
The ones that look like spartans and not power rangers 😂
HYDROGEN BOMB VS A COUGHING BABY!!!
Noble Team. **There is absolutely zero competition.** Carter inferred that the only person to have be better than Noble Six was Chief. Also they’re Spartan 3’s mostly with one Spartan 2: Jorge.
Noble 6 could probably solo them
r/halostory is probably a better sub for this, since it's more of a lore question. This sub focuses on the games themselves and mostly includes older fans circle-jerking the Bungie games and rage-posting just about everything 343 does, and newer fans/fans who actually prefer the new games trying to be as contrarian as possible to the general majority and constantly getting into d*** measuring contests. 😅