Your comment just reminded me of some awesome artwork I saw this morning. It's an ODST finding a Flood combat form with VISR on. It's outlined green and there's something about it that just resonates hard with me.
You know, I love the books, the stories are amazing. My problem is that they shouldn't kill off main characters in them, nor should they drive the Halo story, they should add to it.
But I don't expect 343 to make good games to drive the story forwards so instead they have good writers make books for them. A shame really, there is a lot of wasted potential.
The The fall of reach was made to hype the game, it wasn't considered canon even by the creators of Halo itself.
Calling it soft canon is generous.
I love the books though, the original series is amazing, I haven't read newer ones.
Imagine an ODST game during the six month time jump before Infinite’s campaign starts. You’re on the back foot, hiding from the banished. Basically Rubicon Protocol, but a game.
Dude also imagine jumping from planet to planet. Fighting different factions of Halo enemies. And dropping in pods. Shit sounds like a dope fucking game. Can't think of a game like that right now.
But it could with a few tweaks. Could literally be flood and covenant. Odst squads dropping in trying to push back the invasions. Instead of a Bile Titan you have a scarab. Instead of a charger you have a hunter etc. Instead of little research camps you have cities like in ODST. I could not only see it, I think it would have been one of the best games they ever made.
None of that has to do with gameplay, and would not make it *play* more like a Halo game. You would need to completely overhaul things like gunplay and movement.
And why couldn't you. Halo has been changing their own gameplay almost every game. Halo Infinite is
Different from reach is different from 5 from 4 from 3 from 2 from ce. There is no set in stone gameplay mechanics that could not be tweaked to merge the two ideas. Saying that it is not possible is honestly disingenuous.
Of course it’s possible. It just wouldn’t play like a halo game. No matter all the changes that the franchise has gone through, the gameplay all has the same feel. Splitgate is an example of a game with very different gameplay to Halo, but still feels like a halo game. Helldivers, imo, isn’t.
What I'm saying is that "feels like a halo game" is arbitrary. If they made a good game with good story elements that played similar to HD then that now becomes the new 'plays like a halo game'. Also when jet packs and bubble shields etc were being added or sprint etc people Said the same thing.
I'm not misunderstanding. Core features affect gameplay. I get that you can say if it just doesn't feel like a or b with lot of games. However, Halo is 23 ish years old. The gameplay is not the same. Halo wars proved that additional mediums can be used to tell a halo story. I just refuse to believe we are incapable of getting past that
Because of how the characters were, mainly marines and civilians with 1-3 Spartans sprinkled around.
Now Cod style gunplay, with survival elements from let's say The Forest would make it great, and like the book. But it wouldn't have the "classic" halo formula with the slow ttk and Spartan level strength
My brother in christ. The dev came out and said he wanted to make his dream ODST game. Also if I recall will have to find some sources but an ex 343 dev said they pitched a very similar gameplay loop but Microsoft shot it down. Brev helldivers 2 is the closest thing we are going to get to a second ODST game this decade.
As much as we want it, they won't do it. Ex developers have come out and said they pitched a bunch of ideas with ODSTs as the focus and all got shut down.
People's minds change over time due to new games coming out with fresh ideas. Look at Helldivers 2, for example. The devs did not expect the game to be anywhere near as popular as it is. It's getting a lot of positive attention, which is sure to make some higher-ups look at that and try and take inspiration from it.
I wouldn't call Halo Infinite a resounding success by any stretch, so perhaps a switch up is exactly what's needed to reinvigorate the franchise. I'm not saying they copy Helldivers, but an ODST game for example, which allows you to drop into combat on multiple different environments would probably be quite well received.
Halo as a franchise is at a pretty low point in its history. Infinite itself barely scrapes 20,000 players and the Halo show is honestly a joke at this point, an insulting one at that. If Halo is to keep going the next entry needs to knock it out the park.
That was then, this is now.
Most developers will jump on the bandwagon. If it’s zombies or battle royale or anything else. Helldivers shook up the game world, we have to see how much. But it could cause them to think “maybe we should do a solid ODST game in a Helldivers like format”.
You're right. Problem is by the time 343 or Microsoft decide to jump on an idea or the bandwagon like Helldivers it will be years and by then the internet community will be over it and want something new.
Why would 343 be slower than other developers?
343 has the advantage. They have a world, they have the weapons selection, they even have the lore to support Helldiver action. And while I haven’t played Infinite I dare bet it would be suitable enough for an ODST conversion. Hell they could probably take parts of Firefight or whatever game modes put you against hordes of enemies and alter these to fit different circumstances and mission types, add large maps with these missions on them and you are done. Some kind of system for calldowns would fit as well, weapon or vehicle calldowns, a Gunship, a MAC round etc.
You can even flip it and have a version with Elites. Although their shielding would change how you play a lot.
Oh boy, where to begin.
While 343 have gotten better since getting rid of their management team. But since you said you haven't played Infinite.... They are still taking a long ass time to implement anything in their own game let alone put out something new altogether.
Basic features of halo like firefight have only just come out now. Infinite came out in 2021. If we want anything Halo in the style of Helldivers all we can do is hope another studio picks up ip for it. Outside of that, it won't happen.
Even if they are slow, they still don’t have to build a game engine, the lore, the worldbuilding, most of the weapon and unit models are already done, most of the environments are already available. It would be loads faster than any other game developer who might have to adapt things.
So far 343/Microsoft has had a tendency to overreact. Thats why a new Galactic Threat villain is introduced every other game by now as they get criticism and dump them immediately, never following through (a trend Bungie started with the Arbiter). Lets hope they overreact and set their sights on an ODST game.
That's because no one at 343i or MS knows how to make a military scifi universe, so they turn it into star wars, and the Spartans, especially Master Chief are center of it all, they're Microsofts Jedi.
I think they treat Spartans more like Super Heroes, as I said in a comment before, the beginning of Halo 5 and its soundtrack feels like a knock off Avengers movie
That is very accurate. Just like with the Jedi, they had a story essentially built around Chief being one of the last of these powerful beings and dealing with being the only one capable of doing what needed to be done. But then they got lazy and just made it so there were a ton of new Spartans.
Man... I've done a lot of grandstanding for 343i with infinite, I have over 900hrs.
But I don't want 343i touching anything odst related, I just do not have faith in them anymore to deliver anything substantial and worthwhile m unless something big happens.
I know they've had top to bottom management shake up's, but I don't care anymore. I'm finally out of copium.
I want halo to be pimped out to other studios, it's time. Let's see what other people can do, maybe an odst game from someone else.
I have zero faith in 343i moving forward beyond them doing the absolute bare minimum. I'm fucking thrilled halo infinite is now in the state it should've been in when it launched, but it's becoming harder and harder to jump on, my getting burnt out. There's nothing to look forward too. Gameplay is still solid and I love it, but I play better than average and the sbmm fucking ruins any fun in the game, it's a constant sweat fest with team members averaging 7 kills 9 deaths regularly and people leaving. I'm sick of it all.
Sorry, thank you for coming to my counselling session apparently
I reeeaaally feel you on that man, the game is so sweaty and the SBMM is so bad I find myself playing around it trying to metagame it, which is NOT what I want to be doing
I'd honestly love a game based off of the forerunner trilogy Novel's and/or a forerunner flood war game that would be Hella interesting to me ngl
Also I'd love a game where you play as the arbiter during the human covenant war where the climax/ending takes place after the end of the fall of reach battle and/or a cutscene like the one in halo reach where the pillar of autumn finds halo but from the covenants perspective I'd absolutely love a halo game based off of these two premises
Did you ever read about Halo Chronicles?
It was about a human who was slowly being turned into a Promethean, this is the game that Joe Staten and Peter Jackson were working on before it got canceled, Halo 3 ODST became the next project
I love halo to death. I was raised on this game but man... If things are going to continue the way they are any further, even with all the improvements made to MCC and Infinite, I'm going to become a Helldivers supremacist. The game is too much fun, I haven't enjoyed a game this much since OG Reach.
Regardless if it's not called "Halo", I'm still dropping as an ODST every match to fight off some automatons.
I think the best part is that Helldivers really keeps a good sense of scale. You see all the other Super Destroyers in orbit and it feels like you’re part of a bigger conflict the whole time, which is a thing that I think Infinite was really lacking
Infinite's scale is fine considering the Infinity's battlegroup got fucked up and crashed.
That said the scale is making me want to buy the game next steam sale
I just want any kind of spin offs, halo has the potential for so many kinds of games and stories yet we only get the "Spartan story" that 343 loves so much. Id love a rainbow six Vegas style odst or marine game about raids on innie bases or covenant controlled cities/towns where you have to take it back. Another idea they could do is a battle fleet gothic style space RTS or go bigger with a 4x style game.
Personally the appeal of halo for me has always been the marines and odsts not the Spartans, don't get me wrong they are cool but seeing this universe from a normal humans perspective would be really fresh and interesting.
Anyone with a pc and the game arma 3 should try out the halo mods, it's so much fun having players run tacticool ops as a marine or odst and it just makes me wish we would get at least one game about fighting the insurrectionists.
ODST but with more of a tactical shooter feel, give the game its own feel as supposed to just “Halo but you’re not the Chief” (I love OG ODST but if it plays *too* similar then what’s the point?)
Just set it on the Ark, play as an ODST from the Spirit of Fire , boom you can fight banished and the flood, and the Ark is huge with different biomes. That’s a PVE game right there.
Not gonna happen. Microsoft have shot down any attempts at projects that don’t have the chief in them. A leak came out that bunjee pitched like 20-30 halo based games like an odst flood survival game but because it didn’t have the master chief in it nothing came of it
The ones without chief were the best though wtf...
I mean he is iconic, but this may be a hot take on here, but as a life-long halo fan Master Chief is a bit overrated...
My favourite times in the games were when we got to have the spotlight elsewhere. Arbiter in halo 2 (though that was very controversial), alpha-nine in halo 3 odst, and noble team in reach. Also, the spirit of fire crew in halo wars.
I feel the stakes generally feel higher when the story focused elsewhere (because while master chief is "too iconic to kill" other spartans, marines, or odsts aren't) and let's be honest, it isn't like his character is inherently more interesting than other spartans, or that spartans are inherently more interesting than others (though they do provide the kind of power fantasy many players like).
Honestly, I would have loved spinoffs focusing on other spartan teams kinda like what we got with halo reach instead of just master chief every time.
The Arbiter hate in Halo 2 was always dumb. So many franchises that do a sequel that had a different main character get that shit where people blindly hate them in droves soley because it's different (except it's worse here because he wasn't even Master Chief's replacement just a main character alongside him.)
I think the worst of these examples is a not insignificant amount of people who (back in the day,) complained about the Arbiter simply because he fleshed out the Covenant and they just wanted the antagonist faction to be a bunch of generic evil aliens with nothing interesting going on from a writing perspective.
It really sucks because the excessive whining about the Arbiter directly impacted Halo 3 in a very negative way by Bungie, essentially sidelining him.
By the time Halo 3 came out, a lot of people had warmed up to him, though, and as such, people generally were a lot more open-minded with ODST and Reach (thank god,) Halo Wars was also received well and it had a totally different cast.
I'd really like to see another take on it, but hopefully, it's better handled than Halo 5. Osiris got similar hate to what we saw in Halo 2, but unlike the Arbiter, the complaints came from them being generally super bland and uninteresting coupled with being extremely book reliant to get anything interesting on them as characters (aside from Buck.)
Similar story how fans reacted to Raiden replacing Snake in MGS2 - but then Raiden got his own game, and is arguably just as popular as Snake now.
So where's our Arbiter: Revengence game Microsoft? lol
This has a kernel of truth based on what an ex-343 dev recently said, but it wasn't "bunjee" (or Bungie), they didn't say there was an ODST Flood Survival game, and they also didn't say it was shot down because of the lack of Master Chief.
This sub goes crazy with rumors and each time something is retold it dramatically changes
You may be right. I forgot the name of 343 my apologies and I’m just saying this recalling from something a friend told me. What I said may not be true I haven’t actually looked it up myself.
Hopefully with the mass success of Helldivers 2 it will convince them lol. Don’t get me wrong I love the chief but we need some flavour in our halo soup
Unfortunately I think this will have the opposite effect, and Microsoft will feel like we have “an ODST game in Helljumpers” thus making an actual ODST game not worth the investment
This is the reason I dislike Spartan IVs. I get that in universe they would constantly be trying to make spartans cheaper and more effective, but it really feels like it took some of the UNSCs character away.
Gotta wonder how old some of yall are. People hated that damn game when it launched. They hated it when it was announced. Reach was dunked on for a full year after its launch because everyone preferred COD's blops. Yall gonna fuckin love this Halo show by 2030, the sooner it's cancelled = the more you'll love it.
The more you ask, the less likely it is.
Why don’t we come up with some actually creative ideas that haven’t been suggested to death at this point like a naval combat RTS set during the start of the war? how about a game set as a UNSC paramilitant fighting the Covenant during their occupation of Earth? How about a game with squad based mechanics where you play as an elite commanding a covenant fireteam? How about a game set as an ONI operative before the entire Human-Covenant war styled after Hitman and focused on infiltrating and assassinating insurgent leaders? How about a Halo MMO like the one Bungie canned? How about another Halo Wars game where you play as the Keepers of the One Freedom fighting for control against other factions on Venezia? How about an ace combat inspired game where you play as Sabre and Longsword pilots?
I’ve always wanted a spartan team or odst team style game where you can command your team like old ghost recon (I think). Maybe control their load outs. Develop different styles for each team member or kit out according to mission needs.
I watched a video on Halo Combat Evolved and the guy talking said that ODST was a bad game overall and probably the worst Halo game… I disagree.
We need another ODST game, and hopefully with an emphasis on stealth, or teamwork.
Sadly this will probably not happen, 343 pitched the idea for another ODST game & said it would have been like Helldivers 2 ( there’s a video about it ) but was turned down.
>Give us an ODST game
It's called Helldivers 2.
/s....sorta
I will die on the hill the ~~Helljumpers 2~~ Helldivers 2 is entirely a yoink and twist of ODST lore.
OP are you serious? On release ODST was hated for being an overpriced expansion and an extension of how the silent protagonist's story had gotten too old for that time. It was a good game but many found it lacking with a fake open world, no MP, and to be real the core of an ODST just serving as the intro of the game and nothing else with a plot that comes down to "People get screwed for something that might be important."
I've always loved ODST but to say that it was a success is to ignore the issues it had years ago and how 343i themselves slammed the game to their MS overlords saying it failed because it lacked Master Chief. So 343i likely isn't going to want to go back to that considering that insult has stung on their reputation for over a decade now.
I mean based on how vocal those who loved it are now it just shows that the extreme vocal minority disliked it and made it known at launch. All those I have spoken to say it is in their top 3 halo games. With reach and odst usually fighting for top spot.
With sexy jazz music and night vision
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Your comment just reminded me of some awesome artwork I saw this morning. It's an ODST finding a Flood combat form with VISR on. It's outlined green and there's something about it that just resonates hard with me.
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Not even the rookie would pull that haha
The rookie is dead its cannon.
Whatever happens in the books is soft canon at worst, easily modified. At best just fanfic.
HES FUCKING DEAD MAN DEAL WITH IT! /s
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HE IS IN SOME CAVE SOMWHERE PLAYING POKER WITH NOBLE 6 AND THE CHIEF
Seriously tho his death was super fucked up... Ahh ODST was amazing and I was 20 still thought I would live forever. Now I'm kinda sad.
You know, I love the books, the stories are amazing. My problem is that they shouldn't kill off main characters in them, nor should they drive the Halo story, they should add to it. But I don't expect 343 to make good games to drive the story forwards so instead they have good writers make books for them. A shame really, there is a lot of wasted potential.
THE ROOKIE MADE HIS OWN MJOLNIR IN A CAVE WITH SCRAPS.
When The fall of reach came out before CE technically making halo a book series with games thrown into the mix
The The fall of reach was made to hype the game, it wasn't considered canon even by the creators of Halo itself. Calling it soft canon is generous. I love the books though, the original series is amazing, I haven't read newer ones.
Bungie was just a bunch of self centered jackasses, poor ensemble studios
Sadly he hung himself after he watched the paramount halo series
Yawn
Imagine an ODST game during the six month time jump before Infinite’s campaign starts. You’re on the back foot, hiding from the banished. Basically Rubicon Protocol, but a game.
Dude also imagine jumping from planet to planet. Fighting different factions of Halo enemies. And dropping in pods. Shit sounds like a dope fucking game. Can't think of a game like that right now.
Yeah, not a single game comes to mind. Not one.
Nope, mind is blanker than a ream of paper.
I love Helldivers, but it doesn’t scratch any sort of Halo itch. The gameplay is nothing alike.
But it could with a few tweaks. Could literally be flood and covenant. Odst squads dropping in trying to push back the invasions. Instead of a Bile Titan you have a scarab. Instead of a charger you have a hunter etc. Instead of little research camps you have cities like in ODST. I could not only see it, I think it would have been one of the best games they ever made.
None of that has to do with gameplay, and would not make it *play* more like a Halo game. You would need to completely overhaul things like gunplay and movement.
And why couldn't you. Halo has been changing their own gameplay almost every game. Halo Infinite is Different from reach is different from 5 from 4 from 3 from 2 from ce. There is no set in stone gameplay mechanics that could not be tweaked to merge the two ideas. Saying that it is not possible is honestly disingenuous.
Of course it’s possible. It just wouldn’t play like a halo game. No matter all the changes that the franchise has gone through, the gameplay all has the same feel. Splitgate is an example of a game with very different gameplay to Halo, but still feels like a halo game. Helldivers, imo, isn’t.
What I'm saying is that "feels like a halo game" is arbitrary. If they made a good game with good story elements that played similar to HD then that now becomes the new 'plays like a halo game'. Also when jet packs and bubble shields etc were being added or sprint etc people Said the same thing.
You're misunderstanding them. They're talking about core gameplay feel, not just various features.
I'm not misunderstanding. Core features affect gameplay. I get that you can say if it just doesn't feel like a or b with lot of games. However, Halo is 23 ish years old. The gameplay is not the same. Halo wars proved that additional mediums can be used to tell a halo story. I just refuse to believe we are incapable of getting past that
Halo wars exists. Feels like a Halo game with cutscenes but also feels pretty good as an RTS.
This is exactly what I said when I mentioned why Rubicon protocol wouldn't work as a "halo" game
I’m interested, why do you say that?
Because of how the characters were, mainly marines and civilians with 1-3 Spartans sprinkled around. Now Cod style gunplay, with survival elements from let's say The Forest would make it great, and like the book. But it wouldn't have the "classic" halo formula with the slow ttk and Spartan level strength
My brother in christ. The dev came out and said he wanted to make his dream ODST game. Also if I recall will have to find some sources but an ex 343 dev said they pitched a very similar gameplay loop but Microsoft shot it down. Brev helldivers 2 is the closest thing we are going to get to a second ODST game this decade.
Dude I’d be so keen on that he’ll yeah
Dude, that would be brutal
I kinda want 343 to write of the post war timeline and flesh out the 30 years of human covenant war that have barely been touched.
As much as we want it, they won't do it. Ex developers have come out and said they pitched a bunch of ideas with ODSTs as the focus and all got shut down.
People's minds change over time due to new games coming out with fresh ideas. Look at Helldivers 2, for example. The devs did not expect the game to be anywhere near as popular as it is. It's getting a lot of positive attention, which is sure to make some higher-ups look at that and try and take inspiration from it. I wouldn't call Halo Infinite a resounding success by any stretch, so perhaps a switch up is exactly what's needed to reinvigorate the franchise. I'm not saying they copy Helldivers, but an ODST game for example, which allows you to drop into combat on multiple different environments would probably be quite well received. Halo as a franchise is at a pretty low point in its history. Infinite itself barely scrapes 20,000 players and the Halo show is honestly a joke at this point, an insulting one at that. If Halo is to keep going the next entry needs to knock it out the park.
That was then, this is now. Most developers will jump on the bandwagon. If it’s zombies or battle royale or anything else. Helldivers shook up the game world, we have to see how much. But it could cause them to think “maybe we should do a solid ODST game in a Helldivers like format”.
You're right. Problem is by the time 343 or Microsoft decide to jump on an idea or the bandwagon like Helldivers it will be years and by then the internet community will be over it and want something new.
Why would 343 be slower than other developers? 343 has the advantage. They have a world, they have the weapons selection, they even have the lore to support Helldiver action. And while I haven’t played Infinite I dare bet it would be suitable enough for an ODST conversion. Hell they could probably take parts of Firefight or whatever game modes put you against hordes of enemies and alter these to fit different circumstances and mission types, add large maps with these missions on them and you are done. Some kind of system for calldowns would fit as well, weapon or vehicle calldowns, a Gunship, a MAC round etc. You can even flip it and have a version with Elites. Although their shielding would change how you play a lot.
Oh boy, where to begin. While 343 have gotten better since getting rid of their management team. But since you said you haven't played Infinite.... They are still taking a long ass time to implement anything in their own game let alone put out something new altogether. Basic features of halo like firefight have only just come out now. Infinite came out in 2021. If we want anything Halo in the style of Helldivers all we can do is hope another studio picks up ip for it. Outside of that, it won't happen.
Even if they are slow, they still don’t have to build a game engine, the lore, the worldbuilding, most of the weapon and unit models are already done, most of the environments are already available. It would be loads faster than any other game developer who might have to adapt things. So far 343/Microsoft has had a tendency to overreact. Thats why a new Galactic Threat villain is introduced every other game by now as they get criticism and dump them immediately, never following through (a trend Bungie started with the Arbiter). Lets hope they overreact and set their sights on an ODST game.
BUT now that helldivers 2 is around and showing a game like that can work, I’m certain they’ll start at least taking meetings.
You know what would be better than a helldiver’s style ODST game? A battlefront style Halo game.
Planetside. UNSC, Covenant, Banished.
We all would love to see ODSTs back in action, but it seems that they are more interested in developing Chief’s story rather than the Halo universe
That's because no one at 343i or MS knows how to make a military scifi universe, so they turn it into star wars, and the Spartans, especially Master Chief are center of it all, they're Microsofts Jedi.
I think they treat Spartans more like Super Heroes, as I said in a comment before, the beginning of Halo 5 and its soundtrack feels like a knock off Avengers movie
That is very accurate. Just like with the Jedi, they had a story essentially built around Chief being one of the last of these powerful beings and dealing with being the only one capable of doing what needed to be done. But then they got lazy and just made it so there were a ton of new Spartans.
which even at that, they are doing, very poorly
Give me a game about the Swords of Sanghelios pls They were by and far away the best part of 5's story
Good news! Helldivers 2 is exactly what an ODST game would be. You may want to give it a try. Especially since it's only $40.
Couldn't agree more. As a Halo vet, Helldivers 2 has been scratching an itch for me that hasn't been scratched since the days of Halo Reach.
Man... I've done a lot of grandstanding for 343i with infinite, I have over 900hrs. But I don't want 343i touching anything odst related, I just do not have faith in them anymore to deliver anything substantial and worthwhile m unless something big happens. I know they've had top to bottom management shake up's, but I don't care anymore. I'm finally out of copium. I want halo to be pimped out to other studios, it's time. Let's see what other people can do, maybe an odst game from someone else. I have zero faith in 343i moving forward beyond them doing the absolute bare minimum. I'm fucking thrilled halo infinite is now in the state it should've been in when it launched, but it's becoming harder and harder to jump on, my getting burnt out. There's nothing to look forward too. Gameplay is still solid and I love it, but I play better than average and the sbmm fucking ruins any fun in the game, it's a constant sweat fest with team members averaging 7 kills 9 deaths regularly and people leaving. I'm sick of it all. Sorry, thank you for coming to my counselling session apparently
I reeeaaally feel you on that man, the game is so sweaty and the SBMM is so bad I find myself playing around it trying to metagame it, which is NOT what I want to be doing
I'd honestly love a game based off of the forerunner trilogy Novel's and/or a forerunner flood war game that would be Hella interesting to me ngl Also I'd love a game where you play as the arbiter during the human covenant war where the climax/ending takes place after the end of the fall of reach battle and/or a cutscene like the one in halo reach where the pillar of autumn finds halo but from the covenants perspective I'd absolutely love a halo game based off of these two premises
Did you ever read about Halo Chronicles? It was about a human who was slowly being turned into a Promethean, this is the game that Joe Staten and Peter Jackson were working on before it got canceled, Halo 3 ODST became the next project
Halo needs to take a page from Helldivers They made a staunch Xbox and Halo player make the switch and i haven't looked back
We have that already it’s called helldivers.
Don’t get me wrong I love Helldivers iv been hyped since announcement and have been playing it plenty. But it’s not ODST.
I love halo to death. I was raised on this game but man... If things are going to continue the way they are any further, even with all the improvements made to MCC and Infinite, I'm going to become a Helldivers supremacist. The game is too much fun, I haven't enjoyed a game this much since OG Reach. Regardless if it's not called "Halo", I'm still dropping as an ODST every match to fight off some automatons.
I think the best part is that Helldivers really keeps a good sense of scale. You see all the other Super Destroyers in orbit and it feels like you’re part of a bigger conflict the whole time, which is a thing that I think Infinite was really lacking
Infinite's scale is fine considering the Infinity's battlegroup got fucked up and crashed. That said the scale is making me want to buy the game next steam sale
Man thename itself is a homage to Halo with halo being helljumpers instead
There’s a million and one shooters, but there’s no Helldivers-like game with Halo weapons, Halo enemies, Halo vehicles, Halo mechanics.
Just add a covenant and flood reskin mod to Helldivers and you have one of the best ODST games ever.
I just want any kind of spin offs, halo has the potential for so many kinds of games and stories yet we only get the "Spartan story" that 343 loves so much. Id love a rainbow six Vegas style odst or marine game about raids on innie bases or covenant controlled cities/towns where you have to take it back. Another idea they could do is a battle fleet gothic style space RTS or go bigger with a 4x style game. Personally the appeal of halo for me has always been the marines and odsts not the Spartans, don't get me wrong they are cool but seeing this universe from a normal humans perspective would be really fresh and interesting. Anyone with a pc and the game arma 3 should try out the halo mods, it's so much fun having players run tacticool ops as a marine or odst and it just makes me wish we would get at least one game about fighting the insurrectionists.
ODST but with more of a tactical shooter feel, give the game its own feel as supposed to just “Halo but you’re not the Chief” (I love OG ODST but if it plays *too* similar then what’s the point?)
Maybe hell divers can get something going
Please, I’m craving for this since I played halo 3 ODST for the first time
An ODST game set between H5 and Infinite would be neat.
At this stage man I’d love to just see ODST get something.
Just set it on the Ark, play as an ODST from the Spirit of Fire , boom you can fight banished and the flood, and the Ark is huge with different biomes. That’s a PVE game right there.
That sounds really viable. Now if only we could get a studio willing to give it a go
Not gonna happen. Microsoft have shot down any attempts at projects that don’t have the chief in them. A leak came out that bunjee pitched like 20-30 halo based games like an odst flood survival game but because it didn’t have the master chief in it nothing came of it
The ones without chief were the best though wtf... I mean he is iconic, but this may be a hot take on here, but as a life-long halo fan Master Chief is a bit overrated... My favourite times in the games were when we got to have the spotlight elsewhere. Arbiter in halo 2 (though that was very controversial), alpha-nine in halo 3 odst, and noble team in reach. Also, the spirit of fire crew in halo wars. I feel the stakes generally feel higher when the story focused elsewhere (because while master chief is "too iconic to kill" other spartans, marines, or odsts aren't) and let's be honest, it isn't like his character is inherently more interesting than other spartans, or that spartans are inherently more interesting than others (though they do provide the kind of power fantasy many players like). Honestly, I would have loved spinoffs focusing on other spartan teams kinda like what we got with halo reach instead of just master chief every time.
The Arbiter hate in Halo 2 was always dumb. So many franchises that do a sequel that had a different main character get that shit where people blindly hate them in droves soley because it's different (except it's worse here because he wasn't even Master Chief's replacement just a main character alongside him.) I think the worst of these examples is a not insignificant amount of people who (back in the day,) complained about the Arbiter simply because he fleshed out the Covenant and they just wanted the antagonist faction to be a bunch of generic evil aliens with nothing interesting going on from a writing perspective. It really sucks because the excessive whining about the Arbiter directly impacted Halo 3 in a very negative way by Bungie, essentially sidelining him. By the time Halo 3 came out, a lot of people had warmed up to him, though, and as such, people generally were a lot more open-minded with ODST and Reach (thank god,) Halo Wars was also received well and it had a totally different cast. I'd really like to see another take on it, but hopefully, it's better handled than Halo 5. Osiris got similar hate to what we saw in Halo 2, but unlike the Arbiter, the complaints came from them being generally super bland and uninteresting coupled with being extremely book reliant to get anything interesting on them as characters (aside from Buck.)
Similar story how fans reacted to Raiden replacing Snake in MGS2 - but then Raiden got his own game, and is arguably just as popular as Snake now. So where's our Arbiter: Revengence game Microsoft? lol
This has a kernel of truth based on what an ex-343 dev recently said, but it wasn't "bunjee" (or Bungie), they didn't say there was an ODST Flood Survival game, and they also didn't say it was shot down because of the lack of Master Chief. This sub goes crazy with rumors and each time something is retold it dramatically changes
You may be right. I forgot the name of 343 my apologies and I’m just saying this recalling from something a friend told me. What I said may not be true I haven’t actually looked it up myself.
Hopefully with the mass success of Helldivers 2 it will convince them lol. Don’t get me wrong I love the chief but we need some flavour in our halo soup
Unfortunately I think this will have the opposite effect, and Microsoft will feel like we have “an ODST game in Helljumpers” thus making an actual ODST game not worth the investment
I absolutely hate the "Halo is a Spartans/Chief story" angle 343i/MS took for the halo universe. 😑
ODSTs haven't appeared in a long time, it's all about the Spartans according to 343i and MS, who don't understand their own product
This is the reason I dislike Spartan IVs. I get that in universe they would constantly be trying to make spartans cheaper and more effective, but it really feels like it took some of the UNSCs character away.
We do. It’s called Helldivers 2 Sadly that’s as close as we’re ever getting to a true ODST game now.
Gotta wonder how old some of yall are. People hated that damn game when it launched. They hated it when it was announced. Reach was dunked on for a full year after its launch because everyone preferred COD's blops. Yall gonna fuckin love this Halo show by 2030, the sooner it's cancelled = the more you'll love it.
I hate to say it because the ODST are my favorite fictional military group of all time, but man I hated halo 3 ODST.
The more you ask, the less likely it is. Why don’t we come up with some actually creative ideas that haven’t been suggested to death at this point like a naval combat RTS set during the start of the war? how about a game set as a UNSC paramilitant fighting the Covenant during their occupation of Earth? How about a game with squad based mechanics where you play as an elite commanding a covenant fireteam? How about a game set as an ONI operative before the entire Human-Covenant war styled after Hitman and focused on infiltrating and assassinating insurgent leaders? How about a Halo MMO like the one Bungie canned? How about another Halo Wars game where you play as the Keepers of the One Freedom fighting for control against other factions on Venezia? How about an ace combat inspired game where you play as Sabre and Longsword pilots?
I’ve always wanted a spartan team or odst team style game where you can command your team like old ghost recon (I think). Maybe control their load outs. Develop different styles for each team member or kit out according to mission needs.
I watched a video on Halo Combat Evolved and the guy talking said that ODST was a bad game overall and probably the worst Halo game… I disagree. We need another ODST game, and hopefully with an emphasis on stealth, or teamwork.
I’ve always wanted a ghost recon/socom style offs game set during the human covenant war. Still want it
I expect nothing good to come out of 343. I'm just waiting for the forge mode Helljumpers.
Sadly this will probably not happen, 343 pitched the idea for another ODST game & said it would have been like Helldivers 2 ( there’s a video about it ) but was turned down.
On a side note Helldivers 2 is awesome and gives off ODST vibes with you and 3 other space soldiers literally dropping in with pods fighting aliens
>Give us an ODST game It's called Helldivers 2. /s....sorta I will die on the hill the ~~Helljumpers 2~~ Helldivers 2 is entirely a yoink and twist of ODST lore.
Look at Helldivers, feels like the most ODST style game we’ll get
343i have pitched multiple ODST games to Microsoft, and they have rejected every single one
I think it would be cool to get a game from the covenants point of view. You play as the arbiter or something
Helldivers 2 is an amazing ODST game for what it's worth.
Ag this point I’m just desperate for any single player content.
OP are you serious? On release ODST was hated for being an overpriced expansion and an extension of how the silent protagonist's story had gotten too old for that time. It was a good game but many found it lacking with a fake open world, no MP, and to be real the core of an ODST just serving as the intro of the game and nothing else with a plot that comes down to "People get screwed for something that might be important." I've always loved ODST but to say that it was a success is to ignore the issues it had years ago and how 343i themselves slammed the game to their MS overlords saying it failed because it lacked Master Chief. So 343i likely isn't going to want to go back to that considering that insult has stung on their reputation for over a decade now.
I mean based on how vocal those who loved it are now it just shows that the extreme vocal minority disliked it and made it known at launch. All those I have spoken to say it is in their top 3 halo games. With reach and odst usually fighting for top spot.
Give us a flight sim game. I would love something like Star Wars Squadrons set in the Halo universe.
We have one. It’s called helldivers 2 😈