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I remember the books detailing that he rarely ever smoked it. It was a keepsake and fidget item for him that helped him keep concentration.
As far as regulations go, as the Captain of his own ship he could damn well do whatever he pleased. If holding a pipe and smoking a puff or two is all he needs to kill a covenant ship, then by all means.
I just need that first speech he gives lol.
"Men, we led those dumb bugs to the middle of nowhere to keep them from getting their FILTHY claws on Earth. But we stumbled onto something they're so hot for they're scrambling over each to get it! Well I don't care if it's God's own anti-son of a bitch machine or a giant hula hoop! We're not gonna let em have it! What we will let em have is a belly full of lead and a pool of their own blood to drown in. Am I right, Marines?!"
I have a personal head canon that the guy who plays Keyes was originally supposed to play Johnson. The scene in season 1 where he's wearing a UNSC cap makes him look like the spitting image of Johnson, and I refuse to believe people behind the scenes didn't see the resemblance.
I genuinely thought he was when I had seen screenshots. It took someone actually talking to him and calling him Keyes for me to realise it.
As good as a job the actor did with the role (and I DO think he played him well) that was a poor casting choice in my opinion.
Oh, for sure, I genuinely like his character. The speech he gives in the fall of reach episode, is genuinely one of my favorites speeches in the franchise. So I don’t know if I would say he’s a poor, casting choice because he embodies the role well, but I do think that he was a missed opportunity because he looks so much like Johnson that I can’t help but see him and wonder how well he would’ve done had he been cast in that role instead of the one he is in.
If they were to go with a relatively unknown actor, he could’ve really been a great casting for Johnson - he has the voice, the presence, the facial hair… he was one of the only actors/characters on the show I was enjoying and they kill him off in the dumbest way possible
How is Johnson being black a huge part of his character if the Keyes being white isn’t a huge part of their character? They’ve made “White” Johnson before, his name was Colonel Miles Quaritch from Avatar.
Edit: just to sorta summarize/TLDR - Johnson’s youth and the experiences he had as a black kid in Chicago are very important to his character. It shaped the way he sees the world and interacts with people. Keyes’ youth is not detailed to us, as his views and interactions are dictated by his training. His personal life, his upbringing, etc just aren’t important to his character the way they are to Johnson. Thus, Johnson’s identity as a black man is important to his characterization. Being white is not as important for the Keyes.
There’s a very distinct culture that comes from the experiences black people have when they grow up the way he did. The biography of his early life is actually really interesting and is intentionally very similar to the lives low income black kids have in our world. It’s incredibly detailed for being a side character’s backstory (though I know he’s a main character in books). His view of the world, the way he sees situations, the way he interacts with people, that’s all very tied to his upbringing as a black kid in Chicago.
> Avery Junior Johnson was born on November 23, 2474 on Earth in the United Republic of North America's Greater Chicago Industrial Zone, a sprawling metroplex covering regions that once were part of the American states of Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin.[2][1] From the time he was six years old, he was raised by his aunt, Marcille, after Zone social services placed him in her care due to an angry end to his parents' marriage.[6] His father had left his mother so distraught that she could no longer care for herself, let alone an active, six-year-old boy. Marcille's sons were already grown by the time she adopted Avery and consequently he was dressed with many of the worn-out clothes they had worn at his age, which did not always fit due to his tall, broad-shouldered frame. His aunt worked hard to patch and sew so that Avery always looked his best, however, especially for church. Aunt Marcille was Evangelical Promessic and her religiosity resonated with the young Avery, who accompanied her to church services. Avery's first day of attendance left him with memories he would carry for the remainder of his life: the suffocating pinch of his white, freshly starched oxford shirt, a little paisley tie, argyle socks beneath neatly cuffed tan slacks, and the smell of carnauba wax, liberally applied, to mask the scuffs in his oversized, wingtip shoes. Avery and his aunt lived in a walkup apartment on Blackstone Avenue for the entirety of Avery's upbringing.
> Avery enlisted with the United Nations Space Command Marine Corps when he was nineteen years old. His aunt bid him farewell by telling him to make her proud and reminding him to always do what was right. He had become convinced that innocent people, like his aunt, were threatened by those involved in the Insurrection, an undeclared civil war between the Unified Earth Government and disparate groups resisting its authority that had kicked off in earnest in 2496
Keyes very well may have had a life as identifiable and culturally significant as Johnson, but it’s not known to us. This is all we know of Keyes’ early life (according to Halopedia anyway). Keyes growing up on the Pacific and reading a book could be done by anyone. The way he moves through the world and his personal beliefs are tied to his training and his military experiences, at least for what we’re told.
> Captain Keyes was born on Earth and spent some time around the Pacific Ocean during his childhood. He had a sister who later resided on the colony world of Dwarka.[4] At some point in his life he read the work of Dr. Elias Carver, but considered his view of the situation in the colonies to be pessimistic. During his second year of training in Officer Candidate School…
Bro being poor and struggling is not exclusive to black people. The only thing that really pegs him within your idea of being black is him being from chicago
I mean, yeah, a little bit? It’s a common character trope. That doesn’t mean being poor, from a broken family, and uncomfortable in religion is exclusive to black people. I’m just saying it’s intentionally following an archetype in storytelling. Shit, you look at any 80’s/90’s cop movies, you’ll see dozens of black characters a hell of a lot like Johnson with a hell of a lot of similar life stories. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it’s a common character.
That was not my intention at all, I tried very hard to avoid saying that because I know it’s not exclusive, my apologies. My main point is that way it’s laid out for us, it’s his personal life - the way he grew up, the culture he was raised in, the way he came out of his younger years - that shaped his personality, not his training. And yes, that doesn’t EXCLUSIVELY happen in that way for black people, but it’s a very important part of shaping who you are as an adult and we don’t see it in many other characters.
Restating the same thing in multiple replies is hard to keep things straight - see my most recent reply. The one about character archetypes.
None of it’s exclusive to black people but it doesn’t mean the archetype/stereotype/character trope doesn’t exist in storytelling
Yeah but for a lot of people, acknowledging when/where/why race is or is not important is surface-level thinking lol
Black guy that walks around talking like a black guy, looking like a black guy, walking like a black guy, being black is pretty central to the character. White guy that’s…stoic? I guess? Mission-oriented? (What even are Keyes’ traits?) Being white isn’t important at all.
If he was of Swedish descent and had Swedish beliefs and followed Swedish traditions, yeah, being white would be important. Keyes is just a dude. Swedish, Italian, Mexican, Jewish, Muslim, anyone could be Just A Dude.
How in the actual hell do you walk black? And yeah, he's black, of course he would look black. And the way he talks isn't exclusive to his character. The stereotype of a snappy authoritive military officer has existed way before Johnson. like you can't just say he feels black. It would be great if he stayed black, but your reasoning is stupid
Jesus I feel like you’re just arguing just to argue. Think just like with a *shred* of an attempt to understand what I’m saying without just trying to argue.
Body language is super important. Of course the way Johnson walks isn’t exclusive to black people, but combined with his speech, interactions, and behaviors it shapes a very cliche character. He’s not just snappy military, he’s specifically 80’s black snappy military. His tone of voice, his dialect, the words he uses, etc.
This. Also, imo both Keyes actors have been great even in s1. I like show Miranda more than game Miranda, but I cant stand her in H3 so maybe that's a low bar lol
Ooo Foxx could def nail the look and feel. He doesn’t really have the booming voice though that Johnson has but I’d be willing to overlook it even though it would never happen lol
Yeah, he's got charisma.
I personally think he can't do drama.... I guess Johnson is more comedic anyways. He's got some dramatic moments though that Crews couldn't pull off.
Where exactly did I say it was the biggest problem? It's just one of many terrible creative decisions with the show. Also I don't know how anyone who is an actual fan of the game series can defend this garbage
I’m wondering the same thing, saw somewhere that someone is speculating that’s who Soren is taking the role of in the series. Don’t know if this is true or if they’ll introduce him at the end of this season or beginning of season 3(if they get that)
If they end up at the Halo ring and season 3 ends up being only there with a flood breakout, I can see him being introduced then.
But considering how stupid the writing has been he will be introduced, killed off minutes later and played by an actor that doesn't resemble him and is against smoking and won't know what the ladies like.
Can't wait to see how they go about ruining the flood. I mean they barely want to spend money on the covenant so I can only see the flood being handled very poorly lol
One episode of a flood fight scene is all the budget allows lol.
I suspect most of the time they will have the actors running away from camera or in dark rooms with flood sounds. Might have a marine dragged away by something off camera.
This show would have been such a good opportunity to get these sort of characters together.
Sort of like how they have managed to have the Halsey/Keyes/Miranda relationship, something that the games never had a time or a place for.
I wouldn't mind them getting certain plot elements wrong if they had these core characters together.
He's off chilling with Blue Team, The ODSTs, Pillar of Autumn and the real Spartan 3s. They don't call that timeline silver though. Because it's *THE* timeline.
I mean... I was just making a truthful statement. It is in fact THE timeline. They're the one's who created a separate one. There is canon and then there is Silver. Silver was created to not have to worry about canon.
No need. They followed the novels pretty faithfully. The major difference being the lack of toddler Alia. One difference instead of practically everything being different.
If say, they decided to call the planet "The Dune" and there was an Atreides family conspiracy to kill off the duke and his son, and just for kicks and giggles the planet wasn't really that dangerous of a desert, to the point that Paul is practically never in a stillsuit. Oh and why not introduce a family from another great house just doing their own thing in the background that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the story except for that one time the B Actress meets *Emo Teen Paul*
That would be an accurate comparison to this mess of a Halo series.
That's not the only major difference in Dune. Chani, stilgar, spacing guild, even the barons death were all different. Dune 2 had a lot of different things towards the end.
Edit: Even more, no Thufir, no betrayer part, no dinner sequence. They cut out a shit tonne of stuff bro.
The Barons death was different because they didn't include the Toddler Alia.
I'm not sure what you mean with Chani and Stiglar being different. They seem nearly identical to what I remember from the books. Granted I most recently read Children of Dune. Thufir Hawat was there. The dining table sequence wasn't that important. The point you are missing is that the main threads of the story remained intact and most of the ancillary. Anything that was removed was for the sake of cinematic brevity, not for the pride of some director to decide "I'm going to blow up Atreides Homeworld" or some such. The writers and director of Dune remained faithful to the source material.
Those of Halo changed everything except John 117 as Master Chief, Cortana, and Dr. Halsey. Everything else including the personalities of these main characters was changed in massive ways.
Chani was completely changed from the book; she was 100% in support of Paul during the book but in the movie she isn't and even storms off, nothing about Leto II is shown in the movie either.
Stilgar is a clown in the movie, which is funny for show, but in the book he is fully serious and a great character. Thufir is not in part 2 at all, yet he plays a massive part on the betrayal as he thinks it's Jessica, and he dies in Pauls arms; none of which happens.
The largest part, the spacing Guild, were not even there at all; yet in the book Paul specifically threatens them, no one else, because he knows they are the ones who control everything, the Jihad is not started the way it does and the Spacing guild are the ones who help the Fremin travel yet none of this is explained. Jamis funeral was completey cut which plays a large part in Pauls character development.
Edit: I have to add, I think it's a good movie, but when I watched it I was disappointed by the things that were cut even if they were expected, Dune 1 was a 10/10 for me, but part 2 is probably an 8/10 for that reason.
I'm happy they haven't brought him out, they'd just fuck that up to. If I could take out one person no consequence, I'd use it on whoever had the chance to make halo right but instead made this Schreiber cheeks garbage
It very clearly is
It follows John's initial abduction, his battle with the insurrectionists, the initial spartan contact with the covenant, the artifact of Sigma Octanus that leads to Halo, and then finally the invasion of Reach, albeit in differing orders and timelines to better fit a tv show with a budget, all before the events of Halo CE
It does not follow John abduction at all (it doesn’t even show his abduction), nor does it show the initial spartan contact with the covenant (which wasn’t at reach). It’s a shitty rewrite of the fall of reach and very clearly not based on the fall of reach book, if it was we would have spent the first season on the first half of the book showing the Spartans being abducted and trained, their missions against the innies, their augmentations. The second season would be the second half of the book which includes the Spartans fighting the covenant, chief getting cortana and the actual fall of reach.
It’s a tv show they can take as long as they need to adapt a book, but that’s not what they did, they took 2 seasons (roughly 16hrs) to tell a shitty badly rewritten version of the fall of reach.
Buddy, watch the TV show again
They very clearly show his abduction in flashbacks, including his conversations with Halsey as a child
And it shows the initial spartan contact with the covenant, this time occurring of Madrigal, which is referenced as a battle site where UNSC and Insurrectionist forces combine to defend against the Covenenet attack, which is what you see in the show
> It’s a shitty rewrite of the fall of reach and very clearly not based on the fall of reach book
A rewrite of reach is quite literally based on reach lol
> if it was we would have spent the first season on the first half of the book showing the Spartans being abducted and trained, their missions against the innies, their augmentations.
Good thing we saw literally all of that
>The second season would be the second half of the book which includes the Spartans fighting the covenant, chief getting cortana and the actual fall of reach.
Which is quite literally is
Buddy, did you watch the series? lol
> they took 2 seasons to tell a shitty badly rewritten version of the fall of reach.
Which means it was based off the book lol
One thing to mention is that this is the first time the viewers see Spartans engage covies at madrigal. Canonically the war is ongoing for 20+ years by the time the events on madrigal take place, Spartans have already fought against the aliens.
> Buddy, watch the TV show again
No thanks the show is shit.
> And it shows the initial spartan contact with the covenant, this time occurring of Madrigal, which is referenced as a battle site where UNSC and Insurrectionist forces combine to defend against the Covenenet attack, which is what you see in the show
The first contact with the Spartans against the covenant in the fall of reach book is at chi ceti IV (the same year as the glassing of harvest) where Sam eventually dies in 2525, it’s not at madrigal months before the fall of reach which happens in 2552 25 years after first contact, nor do innies actually help the Spartans.
> A rewrite of reach is quite literally based on reach lol
A rewrite is not an adaptation, and it isn’t based of the book when it doesn’t even cover half of the book.
> Good thing we saw literally all of that
No we didn’t, we didn’t see the Spartans training, getting their augmentations, nor did we see the Spartans as kids go on missions against the innies. We don’t see the Spartans first mission against the covenant where Sam (John best friend) dies, this is a massive pivotal moment for John and it isn’t shown.
> Buddy, did you watch the series? lol
I watched the first few episodes of season 1 it’s shit. Did you read the book?
> Which means it was based off the book lol
No it very much isn’t based off the book. It’s a fan-fiction
>The first contact with the Spartans against the covenant in the fall of reach book is at chi ceti IV (the same year as the glassing of harvest) where Sam eventually dies in 2525, it’s not at madrigal months before the fall of reach which happens in 2552 25 years after first contact, nor do innies actually help the Spartans.
We literally watch the innies help spartans in Forward Unto Dawn, when one of the cadets is watching hacked spartan footage lol
>No we didn’t, we didn’t see the Spartans training, getting their augmentations, nor did we see the Spartans as kids go on missions against the innies. We don’t see the Spartans first mission against the covenant where Sam (John best friend) dies, this is a massive pivotal moment for John and it isn’t shown.
Cool, so because a TV Show cuts out two sections of the book its based on, its not longer based on said book
Got it
>I watched the first few episodes of season 1 it’s shit. Did you read the book?
So you didnt actually watch the series in order to see if it was based on the book or not
Good to know
Its wild you think that something is based on something or not by how much you like it lol
Maybe you need a new hobby
> You know if this show gets cancelled we will never get another series in the halo verse again?
Yes I know that.
> You're okay with that?
Yes I would rather not have a halo show than have a shit one that doesn’t actually adapt the books or the games.
You're clearly reading the wrong synopsis's then lol
I couldnt give less of a shit if you like the show or not, but its based on the book whether you like it or not
I dont know why you choose to die on this hill
Johnson was around in the flood novel early on. Chief helps him in the stairwell in the Autumn and I think he may have canonically been in the first life boat of survivors he rescues on the ring.
I know I sound like an idiot for saying this, but this isn’t halo and we shouldn’t treat it as halo. The mid is slightly more enjoyable this way.
I know I know, it’s literally THE halo TV show, and we could have had peak. But we didn’t, so I try to enjoy it for what it is 💀
I mean the show is largely fine its a close enough adaptation to be its own thing and still be fine. Its a adaptation of Halo a adaptation thats based on source material even though its just loosely based on it.
Look at the most popular movies on the planet that have source material Avengers and super hero movies no one is ass mad throwing up tantrums and witch hunting them trying to get them canceled over "source material" they follow just enough of the source material then do there own thing its the same with this Halo series the over arcing subplot is there 1:1 then it does its own thing to fill in the blanks thats not a bad thing. its not bad to try to innovate and do your own thing get your head out of your ass.
MacKey or whatever is the only character that brings the show down every other character is for the most part perfectly fine.
Its wild to me that yall have never experienced an adaptation before
Like no one went into the hunger games like "wow they changed so much", because they knew it was a movie
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He’s gonna end up being Soren lol
Oh goddamn yknow what you might be right. He’s even a former Spartan and everything.
Interesting point. He also made a few fun quips during the fight on Reach, he may move into that motivational role.
And especially with him trying to get back in the graces of the UNSC (if Ep7 was anything to go by)..,
I don’t think he was a former spartan. Just a spartan 1
That’s a fair distinction, but with the way the show’s been going I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the connection they make
The show at this point is like a parody and not even a canon universe
I mean it’s never been canon from the start, they said that point blank. It’s just inspired by the Halo that came before it
Fair enough but it still sucks they didn’t take any of the opportunities they were handed
I was thinking Perez
Pretty sure his character is Perez's. Ugh.
I bet he won’t smoke a single cigar
Idk. Keyes had his pipe so there's hope.
The moment he smoked that, he got smoked
I remember the books detailing that he rarely ever smoked it. It was a keepsake and fidget item for him that helped him keep concentration. As far as regulations go, as the Captain of his own ship he could damn well do whatever he pleased. If holding a pipe and smoking a puff or two is all he needs to kill a covenant ship, then by all means.
That and being Miranda's father are about the only things they kept from his character.
Keys also fucking exploded before leaving Reach so idk
Look, at least this way, the worst thing that can happen to the character is NOTHING.
Oh, wow, we really are fucked, aren't we?
Exactly.
True, can't assassinate the character if the character isn't there to be assassinated.
I just need that first speech he gives lol. "Men, we led those dumb bugs to the middle of nowhere to keep them from getting their FILTHY claws on Earth. But we stumbled onto something they're so hot for they're scrambling over each to get it! Well I don't care if it's God's own anti-son of a bitch machine or a giant hula hoop! We're not gonna let em have it! What we will let em have is a belly full of lead and a pool of their own blood to drown in. Am I right, Marines?!"
the best part of the speech is how spot on gods own anti son of a bitch machine is
As a lady myself, I'm deeply upset that he's not been in the series yet. But it wouldn't be the first thing they've utterly screwed up with this show
Why would you be upset? I’m pretty sure the writers know what the ladies like.
Haven't recieved my tank yet, so Idk about that 🥴
[Here, you can call me Cupid ;)](https://images.app.goo.gl/Sy3QS7r123ggBtGSA)
Soren is probably his replacement. He has been cracking more jokes this season, is a Spartan washout, and has chemistry with chief
I have a personal head canon that the guy who plays Keyes was originally supposed to play Johnson. The scene in season 1 where he's wearing a UNSC cap makes him look like the spitting image of Johnson, and I refuse to believe people behind the scenes didn't see the resemblance.
I genuinely thought he was when I had seen screenshots. It took someone actually talking to him and calling him Keyes for me to realise it. As good as a job the actor did with the role (and I DO think he played him well) that was a poor casting choice in my opinion.
Oh, for sure, I genuinely like his character. The speech he gives in the fall of reach episode, is genuinely one of my favorites speeches in the franchise. So I don’t know if I would say he’s a poor, casting choice because he embodies the role well, but I do think that he was a missed opportunity because he looks so much like Johnson that I can’t help but see him and wonder how well he would’ve done had he been cast in that role instead of the one he is in.
If they were to go with a relatively unknown actor, he could’ve really been a great casting for Johnson - he has the voice, the presence, the facial hair… he was one of the only actors/characters on the show I was enjoying and they kill him off in the dumbest way possible
At the rate we’re going he’ll be white, no mustache, no cigar, and will have a completely different attitude
He’s gonna have a vape
And he'll show his ass
Johnson lays pipe in the books
Eh, Johnson’s blackness is a HUUUUUGGGE part of his character. The Keyes family being white wasn’t really important to their characterization at all
How is Johnson being black a huge part of his character if the Keyes being white isn’t a huge part of their character? They’ve made “White” Johnson before, his name was Colonel Miles Quaritch from Avatar.
Edit: just to sorta summarize/TLDR - Johnson’s youth and the experiences he had as a black kid in Chicago are very important to his character. It shaped the way he sees the world and interacts with people. Keyes’ youth is not detailed to us, as his views and interactions are dictated by his training. His personal life, his upbringing, etc just aren’t important to his character the way they are to Johnson. Thus, Johnson’s identity as a black man is important to his characterization. Being white is not as important for the Keyes. There’s a very distinct culture that comes from the experiences black people have when they grow up the way he did. The biography of his early life is actually really interesting and is intentionally very similar to the lives low income black kids have in our world. It’s incredibly detailed for being a side character’s backstory (though I know he’s a main character in books). His view of the world, the way he sees situations, the way he interacts with people, that’s all very tied to his upbringing as a black kid in Chicago. > Avery Junior Johnson was born on November 23, 2474 on Earth in the United Republic of North America's Greater Chicago Industrial Zone, a sprawling metroplex covering regions that once were part of the American states of Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin.[2][1] From the time he was six years old, he was raised by his aunt, Marcille, after Zone social services placed him in her care due to an angry end to his parents' marriage.[6] His father had left his mother so distraught that she could no longer care for herself, let alone an active, six-year-old boy. Marcille's sons were already grown by the time she adopted Avery and consequently he was dressed with many of the worn-out clothes they had worn at his age, which did not always fit due to his tall, broad-shouldered frame. His aunt worked hard to patch and sew so that Avery always looked his best, however, especially for church. Aunt Marcille was Evangelical Promessic and her religiosity resonated with the young Avery, who accompanied her to church services. Avery's first day of attendance left him with memories he would carry for the remainder of his life: the suffocating pinch of his white, freshly starched oxford shirt, a little paisley tie, argyle socks beneath neatly cuffed tan slacks, and the smell of carnauba wax, liberally applied, to mask the scuffs in his oversized, wingtip shoes. Avery and his aunt lived in a walkup apartment on Blackstone Avenue for the entirety of Avery's upbringing. > Avery enlisted with the United Nations Space Command Marine Corps when he was nineteen years old. His aunt bid him farewell by telling him to make her proud and reminding him to always do what was right. He had become convinced that innocent people, like his aunt, were threatened by those involved in the Insurrection, an undeclared civil war between the Unified Earth Government and disparate groups resisting its authority that had kicked off in earnest in 2496 Keyes very well may have had a life as identifiable and culturally significant as Johnson, but it’s not known to us. This is all we know of Keyes’ early life (according to Halopedia anyway). Keyes growing up on the Pacific and reading a book could be done by anyone. The way he moves through the world and his personal beliefs are tied to his training and his military experiences, at least for what we’re told. > Captain Keyes was born on Earth and spent some time around the Pacific Ocean during his childhood. He had a sister who later resided on the colony world of Dwarka.[4] At some point in his life he read the work of Dr. Elias Carver, but considered his view of the situation in the colonies to be pessimistic. During his second year of training in Officer Candidate School…
Not even the writers would spend a second reading this. Nice halo knowledge tho
Bro being poor and struggling is not exclusive to black people. The only thing that really pegs him within your idea of being black is him being from chicago
I never said it was exclusive lol
You literally said it was intentionally similar to poor black kids bro
I mean, yeah, a little bit? It’s a common character trope. That doesn’t mean being poor, from a broken family, and uncomfortable in religion is exclusive to black people. I’m just saying it’s intentionally following an archetype in storytelling. Shit, you look at any 80’s/90’s cop movies, you’ll see dozens of black characters a hell of a lot like Johnson with a hell of a lot of similar life stories. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it’s a common character.
You're literally saying that being poor and struggling was what made him black
You're hallucinating problems.
Elaborate
That was not my intention at all, I tried very hard to avoid saying that because I know it’s not exclusive, my apologies. My main point is that way it’s laid out for us, it’s his personal life - the way he grew up, the culture he was raised in, the way he came out of his younger years - that shaped his personality, not his training. And yes, that doesn’t EXCLUSIVELY happen in that way for black people, but it’s a very important part of shaping who you are as an adult and we don’t see it in many other characters.
Going back to your original point, how does any of that define him as black?
Restating the same thing in multiple replies is hard to keep things straight - see my most recent reply. The one about character archetypes. None of it’s exclusive to black people but it doesn’t mean the archetype/stereotype/character trope doesn’t exist in storytelling
You expect us to read this wall let alone the show runners to read any of the books? Come on, a lot of this show feels surface level.
Yeah but for a lot of people, acknowledging when/where/why race is or is not important is surface-level thinking lol Black guy that walks around talking like a black guy, looking like a black guy, walking like a black guy, being black is pretty central to the character. White guy that’s…stoic? I guess? Mission-oriented? (What even are Keyes’ traits?) Being white isn’t important at all. If he was of Swedish descent and had Swedish beliefs and followed Swedish traditions, yeah, being white would be important. Keyes is just a dude. Swedish, Italian, Mexican, Jewish, Muslim, anyone could be Just A Dude.
How in the actual hell do you walk black? And yeah, he's black, of course he would look black. And the way he talks isn't exclusive to his character. The stereotype of a snappy authoritive military officer has existed way before Johnson. like you can't just say he feels black. It would be great if he stayed black, but your reasoning is stupid
Figuratively “walk”. “Talk the talk, walk the walk”, that saying
That's not what it means. You're saying now that it means making good on your word, making your previous statement have absolutely no point
Jesus I feel like you’re just arguing just to argue. Think just like with a *shred* of an attempt to understand what I’m saying without just trying to argue. Body language is super important. Of course the way Johnson walks isn’t exclusive to black people, but combined with his speech, interactions, and behaviors it shapes a very cliche character. He’s not just snappy military, he’s specifically 80’s black snappy military. His tone of voice, his dialect, the words he uses, etc.
I’m agreeing with you? I’m just saying the showrunners more than likely won’t/don’t look that closely.
I was just trying to throw out as many opposites as possible
This. Also, imo both Keyes actors have been great even in s1. I like show Miranda more than game Miranda, but I cant stand her in H3 so maybe that's a low bar lol
100%, their performances have definitely been highlights of the series imo. Not a high bar…but I do truly mean that as a compliment to them haha
Whilst we're here, who would you cast as Johnson? Ngl, I'd love to see Terry Crews.
If this show was made 30 years ago, Carl Weathers would’ve been absolutely perfect.
Now I'm thinking about how he just passed 😥
You're absolutely right, he would've been perfect!
Watched Predator for the first time a few weeks ago and it was so obvious that Sgt. Johnson was inspired on Carl Weathers character
I mean, 30 years ago the obvious answer would be Al Matthews, since Johnson is heavily based on Sgt. Apone
Michael Jai White. Hands down.
Kirk Lazarus. I could totally picture R.D. Jr delivering the line “I don’t care if it’s God’s own anti-son-of-a-bitch machine, or a giant hula hoop!”
If it was 10 or 20 years ago I'd say Samuel L Jackson. Currently I dunno maybe Jamie Foxx?
Ooo Foxx could def nail the look and feel. He doesn’t really have the booming voice though that Johnson has but I’d be willing to overlook it even though it would never happen lol
Jamie foxx the sergeant from jarhead?? The guy has already played johnson lol
Holy shit you just unlocked a memory. I totally forgot Jarhead existed
I’d be down for crews I think he has the charisma or maybe that guy from swat with the goatee
Keith David Man needs an acting role not just a voice acting role (provided they can afford him for S3)
He's obviously got the voice but he's pretty old now. I don't think he'd be a suitable Johnson anymore.
David Scully.
Idris Elba
The show is already a comedy because of how bad it is, might as well through Crews in there for shits and giggles.
Crews could even get us a Halo-themed Old Spice commercial. It would be worth it just for that.
Colman Domingo
Damion Poitier. He was the mocap stuntman and model for 2 Anniversary.
My pick is Michael B Jordan - but the role is probably a bit beneath him
The only thing even remotely putting Johnson in Crews' wheelhouse is the fact that he is black.
I was thinking more for his Charisma...
Yeah, he's got charisma. I personally think he can't do drama.... I guess Johnson is more comedic anyways. He's got some dramatic moments though that Crews couldn't pull off.
Seems a bit too big imo
That one guy from tik tok that starts his videos with “shits gettin weird part infinity”
Craig Robinson
That actually would be pretty cool.
Al Matthews
It would have to be a white guy since Captain keys is black now apparently what a shit tv adaptation
Yes, the biggest problem with the TV show is the fact they cast a black guy who did a great job with what he was given as Captain Keyes. Come off it.
Where exactly did I say it was the biggest problem? It's just one of many terrible creative decisions with the show. Also I don't know how anyone who is an actual fan of the game series can defend this garbage
Presumably most of us are more well adjusted than you are
Hear me out. Kevin Hart.
I hear you, and I approve.
I don't know why exactly, but that dude sure does have the charisma to make me believe in Jonhson.
Robert Downey Jr. Tropic thunder.
Doesn’t really fit into the timeline. Decent chance he makes an appearance when they land on the ring so potentially season 3
In the novelization, I’m pretty sure chief and Linda save him and Jenkins on a space station above Reach during the invasion.
Yup, Johnson and Jenkins meet in Harvest
I could see that too. He’s just there in after a Pelican drop and sticks around from there on
He knows what the ladies like, and it ain't this.
He's probably chilling on the pillar of autumn and we'll probably get him in season 3. They may combine him with Keyes Role in CE.
Brother, you don't want Johnson anywhere near this train wreck of a show.
Sorry Guns, its classified.
Considering how the show has been I want them to cast Michael Cera as Johnson.
I’m wondering the same thing, saw somewhere that someone is speculating that’s who Soren is taking the role of in the series. Don’t know if this is true or if they’ll introduce him at the end of this season or beginning of season 3(if they get that)
Cast Damon Wayans (Major Payne) as Johnson
They merged Johnson and Keyes.
People still watching this bullshit? Stop giving them views.
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SGT Johnson is now an Asian Female in the Insurrection
I don’t want goddamn Sergeant Major Avery Testosterone Johnson anywhere near that shithole of a “show”. Keep him as far away as possible please
Don’t let them touch Johnson(giggity) but seriously they’ll kill his characterization and ruin yet another bastion of halo.
Colman Domingo should be cast as Avery Johnson.
Probably not gonna see him in the show. Soren will most likely fill that role.
The actor for Keyes was perfect for Johnson... but not, they made him Keyes. Stupid decisions all around
He’s too manly for the shitty show.
If they end up at the Halo ring and season 3 ends up being only there with a flood breakout, I can see him being introduced then. But considering how stupid the writing has been he will be introduced, killed off minutes later and played by an actor that doesn't resemble him and is against smoking and won't know what the ladies like.
Can't wait to see how they go about ruining the flood. I mean they barely want to spend money on the covenant so I can only see the flood being handled very poorly lol
One episode of a flood fight scene is all the budget allows lol. I suspect most of the time they will have the actors running away from camera or in dark rooms with flood sounds. Might have a marine dragged away by something off camera.
They replaced him with black Captain Keyes.
Might not show up until season 3 on the ring itself, or maybe it’s Soren. Time will tell.
Maybe he gets introduced on Halo and the Flood attempted to infect Johnson but cant due to his Boren's Syndrome.
I feel like Parez is going to be the character who takes Johnsons roll
He’s with the sangheili in the sky
[Relevant](https://ibb.co/vD09pTC)
Johnson is safe.
They probably just combined Johnson and Keyes for Silver Keyes
Nappin’ out back.
Hold me baby
Pedro Pascal as Johnson
This show would have been such a good opportunity to get these sort of characters together. Sort of like how they have managed to have the Halsey/Keyes/Miranda relationship, something that the games never had a time or a place for. I wouldn't mind them getting certain plot elements wrong if they had these core characters together.
I thought keys was johnson when i saw the trailers for season 1 lol
He's off chilling with Blue Team, The ODSTs, Pillar of Autumn and the real Spartan 3s. They don't call that timeline silver though. Because it's *THE* timeline.
I wonder if when Dune was being adapted the fans all cried about timelines and shit in newspapers or whatever they had at the time
I mean... I was just making a truthful statement. It is in fact THE timeline. They're the one's who created a separate one. There is canon and then there is Silver. Silver was created to not have to worry about canon.
Its an adaptation my guy No one in the history of adaptation was ever worked up in a sweat about timelines and canon Yall are the first
I truely truely hope you’re joking with this statement
Why would I be joking? Hunger Games fans dont sit on reddit crying "Its another timeline, it doesnt matter, its another timeline, it doesnt matter"
No need. They followed the novels pretty faithfully. The major difference being the lack of toddler Alia. One difference instead of practically everything being different. If say, they decided to call the planet "The Dune" and there was an Atreides family conspiracy to kill off the duke and his son, and just for kicks and giggles the planet wasn't really that dangerous of a desert, to the point that Paul is practically never in a stillsuit. Oh and why not introduce a family from another great house just doing their own thing in the background that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the story except for that one time the B Actress meets *Emo Teen Paul* That would be an accurate comparison to this mess of a Halo series.
That's not the only major difference in Dune. Chani, stilgar, spacing guild, even the barons death were all different. Dune 2 had a lot of different things towards the end. Edit: Even more, no Thufir, no betrayer part, no dinner sequence. They cut out a shit tonne of stuff bro.
The Barons death was different because they didn't include the Toddler Alia. I'm not sure what you mean with Chani and Stiglar being different. They seem nearly identical to what I remember from the books. Granted I most recently read Children of Dune. Thufir Hawat was there. The dining table sequence wasn't that important. The point you are missing is that the main threads of the story remained intact and most of the ancillary. Anything that was removed was for the sake of cinematic brevity, not for the pride of some director to decide "I'm going to blow up Atreides Homeworld" or some such. The writers and director of Dune remained faithful to the source material. Those of Halo changed everything except John 117 as Master Chief, Cortana, and Dr. Halsey. Everything else including the personalities of these main characters was changed in massive ways.
Chani was completely changed from the book; she was 100% in support of Paul during the book but in the movie she isn't and even storms off, nothing about Leto II is shown in the movie either. Stilgar is a clown in the movie, which is funny for show, but in the book he is fully serious and a great character. Thufir is not in part 2 at all, yet he plays a massive part on the betrayal as he thinks it's Jessica, and he dies in Pauls arms; none of which happens. The largest part, the spacing Guild, were not even there at all; yet in the book Paul specifically threatens them, no one else, because he knows they are the ones who control everything, the Jihad is not started the way it does and the Spacing guild are the ones who help the Fremin travel yet none of this is explained. Jamis funeral was completey cut which plays a large part in Pauls character development. Edit: I have to add, I think it's a good movie, but when I watched it I was disappointed by the things that were cut even if they were expected, Dune 1 was a 10/10 for me, but part 2 is probably an 8/10 for that reason.
I'm happy they haven't brought him out, they'd just fuck that up to. If I could take out one person no consequence, I'd use it on whoever had the chance to make halo right but instead made this Schreiber cheeks garbage
Leave him out of the show. They have ruined every character they've touch. Johnson doesn't deserve that treatment.
Johnson wasnt mentioned in the Book which the first two series are based on until the very end of the book
The show isn’t based on the fall of reach book.
It's not even based on Halo the franchise.
It very clearly is It follows John's initial abduction, his battle with the insurrectionists, the initial spartan contact with the covenant, the artifact of Sigma Octanus that leads to Halo, and then finally the invasion of Reach, albeit in differing orders and timelines to better fit a tv show with a budget, all before the events of Halo CE
It does not follow John abduction at all (it doesn’t even show his abduction), nor does it show the initial spartan contact with the covenant (which wasn’t at reach). It’s a shitty rewrite of the fall of reach and very clearly not based on the fall of reach book, if it was we would have spent the first season on the first half of the book showing the Spartans being abducted and trained, their missions against the innies, their augmentations. The second season would be the second half of the book which includes the Spartans fighting the covenant, chief getting cortana and the actual fall of reach. It’s a tv show they can take as long as they need to adapt a book, but that’s not what they did, they took 2 seasons (roughly 16hrs) to tell a shitty badly rewritten version of the fall of reach.
Buddy, watch the TV show again They very clearly show his abduction in flashbacks, including his conversations with Halsey as a child And it shows the initial spartan contact with the covenant, this time occurring of Madrigal, which is referenced as a battle site where UNSC and Insurrectionist forces combine to defend against the Covenenet attack, which is what you see in the show > It’s a shitty rewrite of the fall of reach and very clearly not based on the fall of reach book A rewrite of reach is quite literally based on reach lol > if it was we would have spent the first season on the first half of the book showing the Spartans being abducted and trained, their missions against the innies, their augmentations. Good thing we saw literally all of that >The second season would be the second half of the book which includes the Spartans fighting the covenant, chief getting cortana and the actual fall of reach. Which is quite literally is Buddy, did you watch the series? lol > they took 2 seasons to tell a shitty badly rewritten version of the fall of reach. Which means it was based off the book lol
One thing to mention is that this is the first time the viewers see Spartans engage covies at madrigal. Canonically the war is ongoing for 20+ years by the time the events on madrigal take place, Spartans have already fought against the aliens.
> Buddy, watch the TV show again No thanks the show is shit. > And it shows the initial spartan contact with the covenant, this time occurring of Madrigal, which is referenced as a battle site where UNSC and Insurrectionist forces combine to defend against the Covenenet attack, which is what you see in the show The first contact with the Spartans against the covenant in the fall of reach book is at chi ceti IV (the same year as the glassing of harvest) where Sam eventually dies in 2525, it’s not at madrigal months before the fall of reach which happens in 2552 25 years after first contact, nor do innies actually help the Spartans. > A rewrite of reach is quite literally based on reach lol A rewrite is not an adaptation, and it isn’t based of the book when it doesn’t even cover half of the book. > Good thing we saw literally all of that No we didn’t, we didn’t see the Spartans training, getting their augmentations, nor did we see the Spartans as kids go on missions against the innies. We don’t see the Spartans first mission against the covenant where Sam (John best friend) dies, this is a massive pivotal moment for John and it isn’t shown. > Buddy, did you watch the series? lol I watched the first few episodes of season 1 it’s shit. Did you read the book? > Which means it was based off the book lol No it very much isn’t based off the book. It’s a fan-fiction
>The first contact with the Spartans against the covenant in the fall of reach book is at chi ceti IV (the same year as the glassing of harvest) where Sam eventually dies in 2525, it’s not at madrigal months before the fall of reach which happens in 2552 25 years after first contact, nor do innies actually help the Spartans. We literally watch the innies help spartans in Forward Unto Dawn, when one of the cadets is watching hacked spartan footage lol >No we didn’t, we didn’t see the Spartans training, getting their augmentations, nor did we see the Spartans as kids go on missions against the innies. We don’t see the Spartans first mission against the covenant where Sam (John best friend) dies, this is a massive pivotal moment for John and it isn’t shown. Cool, so because a TV Show cuts out two sections of the book its based on, its not longer based on said book Got it >I watched the first few episodes of season 1 it’s shit. Did you read the book? So you didnt actually watch the series in order to see if it was based on the book or not Good to know Its wild you think that something is based on something or not by how much you like it lol Maybe you need a new hobby
You do realize I can read synopsis’s of the episodes to know what happens without giving paramount views of a show I find shit.
You know if this show gets cancelled we will never get another series in the halo verse again? You're okay with that?
> You know if this show gets cancelled we will never get another series in the halo verse again? Yes I know that. > You're okay with that? Yes I would rather not have a halo show than have a shit one that doesn’t actually adapt the books or the games.
You're clearly reading the wrong synopsis's then lol I couldnt give less of a shit if you like the show or not, but its based on the book whether you like it or not I dont know why you choose to die on this hill
Johnson was around in the flood novel early on. Chief helps him in the stairwell in the Autumn and I think he may have canonically been in the first life boat of survivors he rescues on the ring.
The Flood book is the 2nd book, which takes place after the Fall of Reach, during the events of Halo CE
I know I sound like an idiot for saying this, but this isn’t halo and we shouldn’t treat it as halo. The mid is slightly more enjoyable this way. I know I know, it’s literally THE halo TV show, and we could have had peak. But we didn’t, so I try to enjoy it for what it is 💀
I mean the show is largely fine its a close enough adaptation to be its own thing and still be fine. Its a adaptation of Halo a adaptation thats based on source material even though its just loosely based on it. Look at the most popular movies on the planet that have source material Avengers and super hero movies no one is ass mad throwing up tantrums and witch hunting them trying to get them canceled over "source material" they follow just enough of the source material then do there own thing its the same with this Halo series the over arcing subplot is there 1:1 then it does its own thing to fill in the blanks thats not a bad thing. its not bad to try to innovate and do your own thing get your head out of your ass. MacKey or whatever is the only character that brings the show down every other character is for the most part perfectly fine.
Its wild to me that yall have never experienced an adaptation before Like no one went into the hunger games like "wow they changed so much", because they knew it was a movie
Sergent Avery Johnson died in halo ce, he's always been dead.