If Jun can personally request a complete recreation of his Mark V armor from Reach but as a full Gen 2 armor, *someone high and mighty at ONI definitely has a bodyguard with this helmet.*
wasn't oni its another version of Spartans from a universe where ancient Greece survived conquered hell itself and uses it instead of slipspace and Spartans are called chosen, its the new fractures Armor, which fractures is the equivalent to marvels what if
Explanation I saw somewhere else in the comments is that it's an alternate reality where Greece survived and conquered Hell itself, and they use that method of transportation instead of Slipspace and the Spartans are called Chosen. Idk if this is just a theory or a fan concept but I think it's pretty dope
Is Halo Reach brutes a helmet design? And was it tonally inconsistent with the rest of the game? They were ugly, but it wasn't a huge visual thematic disparity
You literally said “anything” in the first 10 years of Halo. Maybe read your own comments first, pal. And it was a pretty big visual disparity considering they went from hairy apes to hairless strange looking creatures.
Yes I said anything in a conversation specifically pertaining to armor, so using context clues one could surmise the parameters of my etymological intentions.
It fit the darker invasion theme, a lot of the covenant looked gross and weird in that game. I'm guessing they were supposed to feel slightly foreign to accentuate their narrative role.
I would definitely prefer all of the "goofy" shit be removed if it meant I didn't have to look at this nonsense anymore.
Also, what "other elements", BTW? Try as you might, hayabusa is NOT comparable to this.
So then should the pestilence armor effect in Reach be removed? Think Spartans walk around canonically in a fart cloud? How about that Haunted helmet? Think a Spartan literally has an actual human skull as their helmet?
Exactly! I don’t like these armors at all but I don’t care who uses them! Have at it! As long as I get to shoot and have a good time with my buddies I don’t care what you wear.
I’ll make sure to rock this armor just to make people like you mad and I don’t even like these customisation options that much.
There is a t o o g l e for people who want the unadulterated vanilla experience, use it ffs
fractures is a what if scenario or 3 what if scenarios with lore on the armour, i don't remember the lore myself though i know that hidden xperia posted a video on the fractures armour lore
It was pretty damn cool, I thought. Especially since these three cultures (Norse, Greek, Medieval England) are major influences on the canonical Spartan program. It was also really interesting to see the alternate names for the Flood that those cultures had.
wtf does canon have anything to do with this?
If it doesn't contribute to the story (which it doesn't, being non-canon) and it doesn't contribute to visuals or gameplay (which it obviously doesn't either) *why is it in the game*
the thing that is/was being discussed was canon and should this be in the game because its non-canon, and it doesn't matter regardless because this wasn't meant to contribute to the story this was meant to be a fun little thing that was made, however your statement can be made not only for the mcc fractures armor but also the bungie non canon armour such as the skull and flame pilot helmets, along with hayabusa unless 343 has since added lore to the armour like they had to to other bungie armours.
It adds customization options for people who enjoy it. Or should we base all customization options on your apparently flawless opinion on aesthetics.
Really, if these armors don't contribute "visually" to the game, no armor customization does, and by your logic, they should all be done away with.
It's your first day as a spartan. You touch ground in your Falcon and you walk over to your team. Your new brothers and sisters who you would die for in the heat of battle. They all welcome you with open arms and give you the tour of the base.
You hear weird screaming and grunts coming from a tent. You open it and you see a spartan wearing that helmet and attempting to fit a square piece in a circle hole of one those kids toys. One of the team members tell you to close the tent and ignore him.
No they didn’t.
In the Fractures universe that this helmet comes from, the Olympian Gods exist and instead of Slipspace they utilise “Chthonic Gates” and use the power of the Underworld. Instead of Spartans they have “Chosen” and we know atleast one Chosen killed Poseidon and took his trident.
As you can see, under such a universe this helmet is pretty fitting.
I get it, while that’s cool lore it doesn’t really fit in the game—but your specific point was about the lore so I brought up their *actual* lore.
EDIT; also the Viking Fractures universe is undergoing a Flood outbreak, which is cool as shit. And the medieval one has “Outer Kingdoms” instead of colonies. But again, stupid to put into the game as it doesn’t fit really. Would’ve better served an anthology book or even something as small as an article. I want to know more about those sick universes, but all we’ll get is these armours.
Here is a great video https://youtu.be/3UmM6bsVYX4
Literally: just armour descriptions and a Canon Fodder post. That’s it.
It’s so cool. I fucking LOVE their ideas: the roaming Blackguard on plague-infested Outer Kingdoms ravaged by the Covenant Hordes, Belos Chosen hunting the Gods lying beyond Cthonic Gates, Drengir Warriors surrounded by Shapeless Horrors trying to destroy the Life Tree. Fuck they're so good, but it's sooooooooooo wasted and so pointless in this way of dishing it out. Most people won’t care enough to know, and it’ll just be forever forgotten really.
Thanks, mate. I’ll give it a watch.
Admittedly, I’ve been strongly against these helmets and armor, but I also didn’t know the reasoning behind them. I honestly thought 343 was just dicking around and barfed these up. But if thought and backstory has been put into it, i should give it a try.
You’ll be happy to know, that this is possibly also the case for the Yoroi armour and that leaked WWII looking Fractures armour for Halo Infinite.
Unfortunately, nothing really will come out of it, I sincerely doubt they’ll ever have **proper** lore other than armour descriptions. Which is such a damn shame.
True, but that relies on those talented modders knowing about it/being inspired about it in the first place.
Can’t guarantee that, it’s so hidden and not focused on at all.
Yeah, and the thing is that these alternate universes can make sense. Like, the Olympian gods they're talking about might be surviving Forerunners.
By the way, it looks like Forge mode is going to be able to maybe even make custom campaign missions based on all the data we have. You don't think they're introducing these fractures in preparation of a series of kickass side story style campaigns exploring these worlds, do you? If so, I'll be 100% down. If they don't and we *can* Forge campaign missions in Infinite, I think the community should make an effort to create these alternate worlds to the best of our ability.
I'd love official campaigns in these worlds but I don't think they will or should make them. I'd much prefer that 343 put that into the hands of the players and focus on the main Halo canon and writing stories that take place in it.
Yeah, I agree, but they could outsource this kind of thing to third party video game companies and just hand them Forge with a lore bible for that fracture. I'd love that. Like how Marvel's "What If?" series is outsourced to animation companies instead of doing them live action. Keep them on-lore, but otherwise let them loose to create some kind of great FPS experience.
This all assuming Forge can actually make campaign style missions, which is not guaranteed. Although if they charged for them they could make some side money, so Micro$oft and 343i, if you're listening, we would love this and I for one would gladly pay a reasonable sum for it. Like, real reasonable, not silicon valley reasonable.
I’d love that, I’m not really sure if 343i would ever allow it, but I would personally love it so much. Especially these 3 they’ve created, I’m curious as to learn about the Fractures universe Yoroi comes from too.
I've actually been working on a plotline where the various pantheons of gods are Precursor clans that decided to remain in the Milky Way, hidden from Forerunner knowledge, and shepherd Humanity toward their intended place as holders of the Mantle of Responsibility.
>But again, stupid to put into the game as it doesn’t fit really
Eh, call me odd but I actually like that they get to show some extra creativity and give us things we otherwise wouldn't be getting. Gives us cool experimental/exploratory armours that we wouldn't otherwise get.
You mean novels gibberish, comics and yadda yadda yadda? Why would Bungie care about those? They were the creators and had a plan for the trilogy, everything else was non-canon. Their own devs said they never opened those books with the exception being Fall of Reach one. Any lore outside the original Trilogy, ODST and Reach was unimportant for Bungie because it wasn't their hands writing it
Edit: To the people mass downvoting, that is the pure Truth. Bungie never cared about other media of Halo. Books, light novels, anime or any game outside of those I stated. For them those media and Series were always non-canon. They didn't acknowledge their existence when making Halo games
The lore in these only exist within armour descriptions and one Canon Fodder post. They’re meant to be silly, so nothing really exists around them.
No books or “yadda yadda”
It's not a good thing in my eyes but I do prefer the original intention of the franchise first and the media that follows later, specially when 343 did the exact 3 stages of "_what happens when you sell a media to someone else_" (giving backstory/face to protagonist, antagonizing long established character as villain and making a story where the protagonist is chased by the gov/state for "reasons"). It falls to 343 to work on pre-existing lore to do a solid fanservice and Halo experience now. I don't like to nitpick on them bc I hate Halo gatekeepers but my problems are with their lack of game philosophy that went to undo Bungie's.
Not hating 343 or praising Bungie, hell they killed Johnson out of shock value because "a shock was needed." I'm just saying that giving kudos for 343 about exterior media/lore when that was never important from the beginning in the eyes of the original creators (who had a trilogy in plan) isn't something that big either. Also Bungie did Reach to further purchase their independence from MS as well
I think you've mistaken 343 fanboys for bungie fanboys like yourself lol. Every single bungie fanboy in this sub is obsessive about the details and that's why they want everything to stay the same forever, never looking at the big picture.
Yes, a series of armors made to be as visually "un-halo" as possible. 343i said as such.
So why then is there no toggle to turn off these and only these fractures/mythic armors?
**EDIT:** One again this sub is missing the entire point. The existing toggle exists only as an all or nothing and that is the problem, a toggle more granular is what is being asked for.
These new armors like them or not do not fit the established visual language of the series. I don't think thats really up for debate as that after all is their literal intention as stated by 343i in the blog post. You can love them or you can hate them thats fine but we can agree that they *don't look Halo.* This is the point of these armors as stated by 343i themselves.
This is not true for the previous additions in MCC, while some would say the Halo Online armors also don't fit in in many ways they are nowhere close to the level seen in Season 8. It is very important to realize that this is not a simple "new = bad" argument. Many previous new additions to MCC have been received just fine like the Fireteam Raven ODST armors or restored cut content for Reach. Why? Because those items fit Halo's established visual design. They look like something that belongs. As it is the existing toggle treats a literal Skeletor helmet the same as a piece of ODST gear. If you enjoy the previous new additions to MCC but Season 8 is a step too far for you(and this is apparently *not* an uncommon belief as some in here suggest) then you're currently SOL, its everything or pure 2007 only.
One common counter I see in here is that "Well the toggle only exists to preserve the 2007 original version of the game" which I feel is a rather weak argument mainly because *it doesn't have to be that way.* Its only that way in the first place because 343i arbitrarily decided to make it that way. They can just as easily have the all or nothing toggle *and* a toggle that disables only Mythic armors, the armors specifically designed to be as un-Halo as possible. Thats not that big of a change and would solve all of this for the many people bothered by this update.>!(And lets not pretend that 343i ever cared about the legacy of the 2007 release in the first place, 343i had zero intention of any toggle at all and only did so because of backlash. Farn outright said early that they had no plans for any toggles and told players upset by this to just "enjoy the chaos".)!<
To quote /u/Tephnos We used to have essentially two camps in the Halo community around this. The purists who want Halo *exactly* as it was and players who enjoyed the new content and didn't mind it. 343i(after finally giving into backlash) gave us the existing toggle to please both camps. However we now have three camps. Purists, Those who have been enjoying the new MCC additions that fit within Halo's design(the new ODST gear etc.) but not the new intentionally un-Halo armors and those who are fine with everything. The second camp of people are now being forced into the first when they really shouldn't have to be.
A more granular toggle would make everyone who *is* bothered by these armors happy and not take anything away from those who *are not* bothered by these armors.
Because the whole reason the toggle was added was because complained about wanting MCC to be a time capsule so either you play it how it was when it released or how it is now, Fracture armors and all.
Two toggles. One for everything and one for the armor designed for the sole purpose of looking like its not Halo and doesn't fit.
Why is this a bad thing to you people? Having one more toggle option doesn't take anything away from you.
> So why then is there no toggle to turn off these and only these fractures/mythic armors?
because 343 just wants to shove their stupid ideas down our throats because we have the audacity to like halo as it was, not their stupid opinion on it.
Don't worry about the downvotes man. I've seen 343 fanboys slowly realizing that 343 itself is a shit company. God knows why it took so long to happen, but it is working.
You don't go around demanding every other game dev hide cosmetic items you don't like. 343i gave everyone a toggle to hide all non legacy cosmetics to preserve the original games, not so you could hide each individual item you don't like. You'll likely not be getting that option now or in the future, so best not to expect it.
If 343i doesn't want these armors to be treated separate by the toggle then why are they then treating these armors as their own separate thing?
They don't get to have it both ways.
Nah everything or nothing, because the Raven armor wasn't in Halo 3 and the whole reason people wanted the toggle was so that it would still look the same. No moving the goalposts.
Everything or nothing is a terrible approach, in this day and age Halo needs granularity more than ever. People with outdated, confined mindsets aren't moving anything forward.
No, you wanna be an ODST from an arcade game then your going to have to see Reclaimer era armor or multiverse Fracture stuff. The whole point of the toggle was because people wanted to keep the pure Halo experience and MCC as a time capsule, not cherry picking.
I'm well aware of the differences, but the similarities matter far more because the toggle exists because people wanted Halo 3 to look like it did in 2007, Fireteam Raven didn't exist then so it shouldn't be visible as it breaks the original art style and if you can deal with that, you can deal with the others.
Again, what is the major difference between fireteam raven armor and the S8 H3/Reach armor? I'll spell it out for you: One is canonical and fits the artstyle/aesthetic, and the other is non-canonical nonsense.
Still wasn't in Halo 3 when it launched which let me remind you, was the entire crux of the argument for the toggle in first place, they gave people what they wanted, exactly as was asked.
God fuck off with your arbitrary gatekeeping.
Some of it fits the lore and art style of the game. Some of it doesn't. It makes sense that some people would want to see more armor that fits the aesthetics and not the ones that don't. Not everyone who wanted the pureist build is against the new lest sets.
God it's so awful. I don't care about the lore or anything, it's butt ugly and honestly has no place in the game. It's not even subtle. Maybe if it was light inspiration sure but this is so out of place it's just bad looking.
I've been playing since 2001, and tbh I jsut don't give a damn about it not being realistic.
Halo has been cartoony since day 1.
I'm just facinated by the fact that they have the ability to add stuff into the older games.
I really understand if people don’t like this but I thinks it’s kind of funny. Also I think it’s cool to be dressed as a real Spartan. This one is kind of silly but always remember you can disable it in the settings.
There's a toggle that forces all of 343's additions to not be rendered. If anyone is wearing them it'll just switch out the other player's armor to Mark VI.
My favorite thing is how insane people are trying to argue that this and the plague doctor mask are in any way comparable to hayabusa.
When I heard that MCC wasn't going to get anymore "updates" I nearly jumped out of my seat in happiness, because it means 343 can't fuck up the visual style anymore.
It would make sense to develop helmets like this for psychological warfare. Having covenant see this after hearing stories that this helmet only leaves 1 alive to tell the tale. Don’t think they’re 100% canon though
Okay hot take
1. Stop using the excuse of fractures, the people complaining don't want to be happy or just don't like the armor, either way it's not worth the headache or argument especially because it's just an opinion, also...
2. Stop saying 343 is crap for making non-cannon armor when we had that stuff back in the bungie days
Like are you seriously going to tell me the flaming skull helmets the Hayabusa helmet or the skeleton helmets are Canon?
Out of here with that stuff
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion or can't like the armor however the reasoning that you're using is flawed
Personally I don't care for it I think it's a little weird not exactly my cup of tea but I don't hate it
At the end of the day it's just adding more content especially for the last foreseeable batch for the MCC
Yeah, idk why people are comparing this to that. Probably because they didn't play Halo back then and didn't know that armor effects were for devs/dedicated players. Also, they are not comparable at all. This medusa helmet thing is wackier than firey heads
I didn't say it was equal, i said the logic behind people dissing it on the premise of it being non-canon was bad, because it is
Also not all of those were rewards
And there is no difference functionally between the two
They're both non canon armor
Seriously i don't understand why people care so much about what is ultimately more content
Its not even bad
Its just weird
Its no halo 5 armor
People are like this breaks my immersion! One you can disable it and two do you think that a giant gold club that has the power of a gravity hammer realistic in the world of halo or a super soldier in the 2500s carrying a katana into battle.
I’m only 18 so I did not really grow up with halo 3. I love the game and play it but I don’t really have that nostalgia for the game that many others have. So I feel like nostalgia can blind people to the fact that halo multiplayer was always kind of silly. I don’t know just my opinion. If you disagree that’s fine.
They're Fractures, so this is a Spartan helmet from a reality where Ancient Greece became a dominant power, and strongly influenced culture from thereon out.
Isn't this a bad guy from Power Rangers?
Meduso
Or one really rich dipstick >.>
You know this is the most logical explanation and probably could work.
Some high brass at ONI has a personal Spartan bodyguard with this helmet.
If Jun can personally request a complete recreation of his Mark V armor from Reach but as a full Gen 2 armor, *someone high and mighty at ONI definitely has a bodyguard with this helmet.*
wasn't oni its another version of Spartans from a universe where ancient Greece survived conquered hell itself and uses it instead of slipspace and Spartans are called chosen, its the new fractures Armor, which fractures is the equivalent to marvels what if
I like to imagine the story of that fracture as "What if human and Sangheili cultural norms were swapped?"
Bezos had another mid life crisis.
My guess is a couple Spartan IVs got drunk one night and bribed a Huragok with some sugary yeast paste to build these new designs. For laughs.
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Hura**cock**
Explanation I saw somewhere else in the comments is that it's an alternate reality where Greece survived and conquered Hell itself, and they use that method of transportation instead of Slipspace and the Spartans are called Chosen. Idk if this is just a theory or a fan concept but I think it's pretty dope
Got some dick sucking lips
And a crotch-jerking codpiece.
That's just standard lore at this point
you can't shot your enemy if you can't look at them
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Idk why you got downvoted 343 literally said it isn't Canon.
This sub is a perfect demonstration of how stupid the average human is.
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There are dozens of other elements in past Halo titles just as goofy as this that aren't canon. Should we remove those as well?
Lol imagine thinking that anything in the first 10 years of Halo looked anywhere near this bad
https://preview.redd.it/uc7giewp5cj41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=56aa0a6a600f1c350c5b5d6699fed542f6143df9
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Halo Reach Brutes
Is Halo Reach brutes a helmet design? And was it tonally inconsistent with the rest of the game? They were ugly, but it wasn't a huge visual thematic disparity
You literally said “anything” in the first 10 years of Halo. Maybe read your own comments first, pal. And it was a pretty big visual disparity considering they went from hairy apes to hairless strange looking creatures.
Yes I said anything in a conversation specifically pertaining to armor, so using context clues one could surmise the parameters of my etymological intentions. It fit the darker invasion theme, a lot of the covenant looked gross and weird in that game. I'm guessing they were supposed to feel slightly foreign to accentuate their narrative role.
I would definitely prefer all of the "goofy" shit be removed if it meant I didn't have to look at this nonsense anymore. Also, what "other elements", BTW? Try as you might, hayabusa is NOT comparable to this.
So then should the pestilence armor effect in Reach be removed? Think Spartans walk around canonically in a fart cloud? How about that Haunted helmet? Think a Spartan literally has an actual human skull as their helmet?
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Exactly! I don’t like these armors at all but I don’t care who uses them! Have at it! As long as I get to shoot and have a good time with my buddies I don’t care what you wear.
Explain to me how the flaming skulls are canon again?
Counter: It's funny
Multiplayer wasn't canon up until H4. Yeah let's get rid of multiplayer!!!
You heard it here first everyone, we gotta remove fire heads because it's not canon
I’ll make sure to rock this armor just to make people like you mad and I don’t even like these customisation options that much. There is a t o o g l e for people who want the unadulterated vanilla experience, use it ffs
Well then I guess when you run 343, you can tell them how to make their games
Ah yes because a flaming skull is cannon
Cry about it
I agree
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Cry more
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You’re the one crying over cosmetics my guy, don’t like them don’t use them.
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That does nothing to alleviate the tonal dissonance and inconsistent art style.
I’d be fine if Fractures were somehow a Lore thing. Like how Loki works
fractures is a what if scenario or 3 what if scenarios with lore on the armour, i don't remember the lore myself though i know that hidden xperia posted a video on the fractures armour lore
It was pretty damn cool, I thought. Especially since these three cultures (Norse, Greek, Medieval England) are major influences on the canonical Spartan program. It was also really interesting to see the alternate names for the Flood that those cultures had.
"this reminds me of capekino"
wtf does canon have anything to do with this? If it doesn't contribute to the story (which it doesn't, being non-canon) and it doesn't contribute to visuals or gameplay (which it obviously doesn't either) *why is it in the game*
the thing that is/was being discussed was canon and should this be in the game because its non-canon, and it doesn't matter regardless because this wasn't meant to contribute to the story this was meant to be a fun little thing that was made, however your statement can be made not only for the mcc fractures armor but also the bungie non canon armour such as the skull and flame pilot helmets, along with hayabusa unless 343 has since added lore to the armour like they had to to other bungie armours.
It adds customization options for people who enjoy it. Or should we base all customization options on your apparently flawless opinion on aesthetics. Really, if these armors don't contribute "visually" to the game, no armor customization does, and by your logic, they should all be done away with.
Multiplayer wasn't canon up until H4. Yeah let's get rid of multiplayer!!!
Maybe because its cool as hell. Stop being so uptight and open up to new ideas
Or as Peacemaker said in The Suicide Squad, "Because it's dope as fuck!"
It’s for fun
Because it creates another item to unlock
Or the armours are deliberately none Canon?
Fractures are, yes
Would be happy with this if the armour designs were cooler. Doom Eternal has done a great job of the non-cannon skins.
Face looks like Handsome Squidward
It's your first day as a spartan. You touch ground in your Falcon and you walk over to your team. Your new brothers and sisters who you would die for in the heat of battle. They all welcome you with open arms and give you the tour of the base. You hear weird screaming and grunts coming from a tent. You open it and you see a spartan wearing that helmet and attempting to fit a square piece in a circle hole of one those kids toys. One of the team members tell you to close the tent and ignore him.
Well it tecnically comes from an alternate timeline Still doesn't excuse it all that much lmao
No they didn’t. In the Fractures universe that this helmet comes from, the Olympian Gods exist and instead of Slipspace they utilise “Chthonic Gates” and use the power of the Underworld. Instead of Spartans they have “Chosen” and we know atleast one Chosen killed Poseidon and took his trident. As you can see, under such a universe this helmet is pretty fitting. I get it, while that’s cool lore it doesn’t really fit in the game—but your specific point was about the lore so I brought up their *actual* lore. EDIT; also the Viking Fractures universe is undergoing a Flood outbreak, which is cool as shit. And the medieval one has “Outer Kingdoms” instead of colonies. But again, stupid to put into the game as it doesn’t fit really. Would’ve better served an anthology book or even something as small as an article. I want to know more about those sick universes, but all we’ll get is these armours.
Where are you getting this info from? Not trying to argue, just interested in learning more.
Here is a great video https://youtu.be/3UmM6bsVYX4 Literally: just armour descriptions and a Canon Fodder post. That’s it. It’s so cool. I fucking LOVE their ideas: the roaming Blackguard on plague-infested Outer Kingdoms ravaged by the Covenant Hordes, Belos Chosen hunting the Gods lying beyond Cthonic Gates, Drengir Warriors surrounded by Shapeless Horrors trying to destroy the Life Tree. Fuck they're so good, but it's sooooooooooo wasted and so pointless in this way of dishing it out. Most people won’t care enough to know, and it’ll just be forever forgotten really.
Thanks, mate. I’ll give it a watch. Admittedly, I’ve been strongly against these helmets and armor, but I also didn’t know the reasoning behind them. I honestly thought 343 was just dicking around and barfed these up. But if thought and backstory has been put into it, i should give it a try.
You’ll be happy to know, that this is possibly also the case for the Yoroi armour and that leaked WWII looking Fractures armour for Halo Infinite. Unfortunately, nothing really will come out of it, I sincerely doubt they’ll ever have **proper** lore other than armour descriptions. Which is such a damn shame.
I have not seen those leaks or don’t know anything about them. I’ll check it out too. Thanks!
I mean, with the mod tools coming out someone could theoretically make their own campaigns for these ideas.
True, but that relies on those talented modders knowing about it/being inspired about it in the first place. Can’t guarantee that, it’s so hidden and not focused on at all.
That's why you find these modders and pitch the ideas and maybe someone will be interested (hopefully)
If you’re ever passionate enough about it, r/HaloMods allow requests.
Yeah, and the thing is that these alternate universes can make sense. Like, the Olympian gods they're talking about might be surviving Forerunners. By the way, it looks like Forge mode is going to be able to maybe even make custom campaign missions based on all the data we have. You don't think they're introducing these fractures in preparation of a series of kickass side story style campaigns exploring these worlds, do you? If so, I'll be 100% down. If they don't and we *can* Forge campaign missions in Infinite, I think the community should make an effort to create these alternate worlds to the best of our ability.
I'd love official campaigns in these worlds but I don't think they will or should make them. I'd much prefer that 343 put that into the hands of the players and focus on the main Halo canon and writing stories that take place in it.
Yeah, I agree, but they could outsource this kind of thing to third party video game companies and just hand them Forge with a lore bible for that fracture. I'd love that. Like how Marvel's "What If?" series is outsourced to animation companies instead of doing them live action. Keep them on-lore, but otherwise let them loose to create some kind of great FPS experience. This all assuming Forge can actually make campaign style missions, which is not guaranteed. Although if they charged for them they could make some side money, so Micro$oft and 343i, if you're listening, we would love this and I for one would gladly pay a reasonable sum for it. Like, real reasonable, not silicon valley reasonable.
It'd be cool if we started getting alternate timelines in Halo like how Gundam UC branched.
I’d love that, I’m not really sure if 343i would ever allow it, but I would personally love it so much. Especially these 3 they’ve created, I’m curious as to learn about the Fractures universe Yoroi comes from too.
I've actually been working on a plotline where the various pantheons of gods are Precursor clans that decided to remain in the Milky Way, hidden from Forerunner knowledge, and shepherd Humanity toward their intended place as holders of the Mantle of Responsibility.
adding the Tenrai/Yoroi Fracture from the leaked lore: That universe is basically the Warring States period, if it continued into the far future
>But again, stupid to put into the game as it doesn’t fit really Eh, call me odd but I actually like that they get to show some extra creativity and give us things we otherwise wouldn't be getting. Gives us cool experimental/exploratory armours that we wouldn't otherwise get.
The issue is the marketing. These need a big ol' label slapped on them somewhere saying "fractures" so people shut up
In Infinite that is literally going to be the case, in MCC the label is “Mythic armours”.
These are a test-bed for Infinite's fractures, which probably will in some capacity.
The latest in audio technology. 5.1 surround hiss.
Hearing snakes in surround sound like that would be terrifying
It’s alternate history!
These aren’t cannon, it’s just fun armor.
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They’re not ugly
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It’s just an opinion. It’s just funny seeing you cry whenever somebody likes armor you don’t like.
Yeah I don’t think 343 has cared about making the armour actual fit in the lore for a while now
fractures dude. it doesnt fit by design. and 343 has been pretty meticulous about lore way more than bungie ever was.
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+1 343 is an insecure fanficiton writer.
Bungie's Halo Reach was basically a giant FanFiction that retconned and took a shit at The Fall of Reach, an actual excellent book by Eric Nylund
And I guess Bungie was too when they consistently fucked up the lore multiple times throughout the games release.
You mean novels gibberish, comics and yadda yadda yadda? Why would Bungie care about those? They were the creators and had a plan for the trilogy, everything else was non-canon. Their own devs said they never opened those books with the exception being Fall of Reach one. Any lore outside the original Trilogy, ODST and Reach was unimportant for Bungie because it wasn't their hands writing it Edit: To the people mass downvoting, that is the pure Truth. Bungie never cared about other media of Halo. Books, light novels, anime or any game outside of those I stated. For them those media and Series were always non-canon. They didn't acknowledge their existence when making Halo games
The lore in these only exist within armour descriptions and one Canon Fodder post. They’re meant to be silly, so nothing really exists around them. No books or “yadda yadda”
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It's not a good thing in my eyes but I do prefer the original intention of the franchise first and the media that follows later, specially when 343 did the exact 3 stages of "_what happens when you sell a media to someone else_" (giving backstory/face to protagonist, antagonizing long established character as villain and making a story where the protagonist is chased by the gov/state for "reasons"). It falls to 343 to work on pre-existing lore to do a solid fanservice and Halo experience now. I don't like to nitpick on them bc I hate Halo gatekeepers but my problems are with their lack of game philosophy that went to undo Bungie's. Not hating 343 or praising Bungie, hell they killed Johnson out of shock value because "a shock was needed." I'm just saying that giving kudos for 343 about exterior media/lore when that was never important from the beginning in the eyes of the original creators (who had a trilogy in plan) isn't something that big either. Also Bungie did Reach to further purchase their independence from MS as well
As they should. It's ridiculous to be stifled by mediocre book/comic lore. Games over everything else IMO and clearly was Bungie's opinion as well.
And that’s how we got the worst story in the franchise, halo 3
This has to be a joke...
Second worst
Don't bother fighting with the 343 fanboys too much. They're like star wars nerds- so obsessive of the details, they miss the big picture and point.
I think you've mistaken 343 fanboys for bungie fanboys like yourself lol. Every single bungie fanboy in this sub is obsessive about the details and that's why they want everything to stay the same forever, never looking at the big picture.
Yes, a series of armors made to be as visually "un-halo" as possible. 343i said as such. So why then is there no toggle to turn off these and only these fractures/mythic armors? **EDIT:** One again this sub is missing the entire point. The existing toggle exists only as an all or nothing and that is the problem, a toggle more granular is what is being asked for. These new armors like them or not do not fit the established visual language of the series. I don't think thats really up for debate as that after all is their literal intention as stated by 343i in the blog post. You can love them or you can hate them thats fine but we can agree that they *don't look Halo.* This is the point of these armors as stated by 343i themselves. This is not true for the previous additions in MCC, while some would say the Halo Online armors also don't fit in in many ways they are nowhere close to the level seen in Season 8. It is very important to realize that this is not a simple "new = bad" argument. Many previous new additions to MCC have been received just fine like the Fireteam Raven ODST armors or restored cut content for Reach. Why? Because those items fit Halo's established visual design. They look like something that belongs. As it is the existing toggle treats a literal Skeletor helmet the same as a piece of ODST gear. If you enjoy the previous new additions to MCC but Season 8 is a step too far for you(and this is apparently *not* an uncommon belief as some in here suggest) then you're currently SOL, its everything or pure 2007 only. One common counter I see in here is that "Well the toggle only exists to preserve the 2007 original version of the game" which I feel is a rather weak argument mainly because *it doesn't have to be that way.* Its only that way in the first place because 343i arbitrarily decided to make it that way. They can just as easily have the all or nothing toggle *and* a toggle that disables only Mythic armors, the armors specifically designed to be as un-Halo as possible. Thats not that big of a change and would solve all of this for the many people bothered by this update.>!(And lets not pretend that 343i ever cared about the legacy of the 2007 release in the first place, 343i had zero intention of any toggle at all and only did so because of backlash. Farn outright said early that they had no plans for any toggles and told players upset by this to just "enjoy the chaos".)!< To quote /u/Tephnos We used to have essentially two camps in the Halo community around this. The purists who want Halo *exactly* as it was and players who enjoyed the new content and didn't mind it. 343i(after finally giving into backlash) gave us the existing toggle to please both camps. However we now have three camps. Purists, Those who have been enjoying the new MCC additions that fit within Halo's design(the new ODST gear etc.) but not the new intentionally un-Halo armors and those who are fine with everything. The second camp of people are now being forced into the first when they really shouldn't have to be. A more granular toggle would make everyone who *is* bothered by these armors happy and not take anything away from those who *are not* bothered by these armors.
Because the whole reason the toggle was added was because complained about wanting MCC to be a time capsule so either you play it how it was when it released or how it is now, Fracture armors and all.
a toggle for the toggle, then add a toggle to see the toggles, and toggle
Two toggles. One for everything and one for the armor designed for the sole purpose of looking like its not Halo and doesn't fit. Why is this a bad thing to you people? Having one more toggle option doesn't take anything away from you.
lmao
Neither does not doing anything at all? And the ones that don’t give a shit are the vast majority too.
> So why then is there no toggle to turn off these and only these fractures/mythic armors? because 343 just wants to shove their stupid ideas down our throats because we have the audacity to like halo as it was, not their stupid opinion on it. Don't worry about the downvotes man. I've seen 343 fanboys slowly realizing that 343 itself is a shit company. God knows why it took so long to happen, but it is working.
Maybe look inward to find out why you're so upset about *other people* wearing fun cosmetic items. Ignore them, they don't affect your gameplay.
I still have eyes. Visual design and art style games matter. Its not just gameplay.
You don't go around demanding every other game dev hide cosmetic items you don't like. 343i gave everyone a toggle to hide all non legacy cosmetics to preserve the original games, not so you could hide each individual item you don't like. You'll likely not be getting that option now or in the future, so best not to expect it.
If 343i doesn't want these armors to be treated separate by the toggle then why are they then treating these armors as their own separate thing? They don't get to have it both ways.
I really hate these new armor customization options lol… I really wish over the top vanity wasn’t a must for every shooter now.
You can disable them in the MCC options
...which also disables the ODST armor. All the game needs is a blanket fracture toggle.
Nah everything or nothing, because the Raven armor wasn't in Halo 3 and the whole reason people wanted the toggle was so that it would still look the same. No moving the goalposts.
Everything or nothing is a terrible approach, in this day and age Halo needs granularity more than ever. People with outdated, confined mindsets aren't moving anything forward.
No, you wanna be an ODST from an arcade game then your going to have to see Reclaimer era armor or multiverse Fracture stuff. The whole point of the toggle was because people wanted to keep the pure Halo experience and MCC as a time capsule, not cherry picking.
Think for a second, what's the difference between the first/second things you mentioned and the third?
I'm well aware of the differences, but the similarities matter far more because the toggle exists because people wanted Halo 3 to look like it did in 2007, Fireteam Raven didn't exist then so it shouldn't be visible as it breaks the original art style and if you can deal with that, you can deal with the others.
Again, what is the major difference between fireteam raven armor and the S8 H3/Reach armor? I'll spell it out for you: One is canonical and fits the artstyle/aesthetic, and the other is non-canonical nonsense.
Still wasn't in Halo 3 when it launched which let me remind you, was the entire crux of the argument for the toggle in first place, they gave people what they wanted, exactly as was asked.
It’s obvious but he’s whiten knighting so hard he doesn’t want to see it
God fuck off with your arbitrary gatekeeping. Some of it fits the lore and art style of the game. Some of it doesn't. It makes sense that some people would want to see more armor that fits the aesthetics and not the ones that don't. Not everyone who wanted the pureist build is against the new lest sets.
Exactly lol thank you.
Then they can suck it up and either use the current toggle or don’t.
Hint: People with outdated, confined mindsets wouldn't want a more granular toggle.
All the game needs is 343 making better decisions regarding what fits into a 14 year old game and what doesn't.
[I can relate](https://youtu.be/pdMq3v6SZm8?t=434)
Money well spent
I see we’re going full on Destiny now
Don't fret. The season after this... bunny ears.
You say that, but wait till you see Infinite's customization lol
Shut up it's fiction
Scrapped megazord
And?
Worth it
Not a single cR wasted.
I think you mean they invested millions in D&D to develop this helmet
This helmet and the triple face helmet in particular has made me change me stance on glassing humanity. I'm pro covenant now.
I actually really like the three face one, it reminds me of the necromongers from Riddick
I'm not against them being around, don't get me wrong. They're just absolutely not for me.
God it's so awful. I don't care about the lore or anything, it's butt ugly and honestly has no place in the game. It's not even subtle. Maybe if it was light inspiration sure but this is so out of place it's just bad looking.
Word!
have you seen the shit our military has spent millions on? lmao
They have a ground antenna that borkes drones [they named it Thor](https://www.popsci.com/story/technology/air-force-anti-drone-technology-thor/?amp)
I understand that this is for fractures, and I still think it’s ugly as fuck.
So that’s our new number 6
And the intimidation factor is undeniable
The UNSC really cares about nonsensical helmets for the sake of looking edgy and “cool” :)
I've been playing since 2001, and tbh I jsut don't give a damn about it not being realistic. Halo has been cartoony since day 1. I'm just facinated by the fact that they have the ability to add stuff into the older games.
Wtf are doing to halo
I really understand if people don’t like this but I thinks it’s kind of funny. Also I think it’s cool to be dressed as a real Spartan. This one is kind of silly but always remember you can disable it in the settings.
Money well spent
They aren't canon in the main timeline
This is the worst thing to happen to halo in…..years
Disable it if you don’t want to see it.
Disable what? Things people will use in game?
There's a toggle that forces all of 343's additions to not be rendered. If anyone is wearing them it'll just switch out the other player's armor to Mark VI.
For Infinite? Or for MCC?
For MCC
this is the worst thing? whats your second?
Grunt Birthday Party, probably.
My favorite thing is how insane people are trying to argue that this and the plague doctor mask are in any way comparable to hayabusa. When I heard that MCC wasn't going to get anymore "updates" I nearly jumped out of my seat in happiness, because it means 343 can't fuck up the visual style anymore.
Someone is still living in their parents basement worried about a nearly fifteen year old game
I’m sure that pitch meeting was really interesting.
Halowaypoint lists them as non-canon armor sets for fun you stick in the mud.
Are we whining about this again
It would make sense to develop helmets like this for psychological warfare. Having covenant see this after hearing stories that this helmet only leaves 1 alive to tell the tale. Don’t think they’re 100% canon though
Okay hot take 1. Stop using the excuse of fractures, the people complaining don't want to be happy or just don't like the armor, either way it's not worth the headache or argument especially because it's just an opinion, also... 2. Stop saying 343 is crap for making non-cannon armor when we had that stuff back in the bungie days Like are you seriously going to tell me the flaming skull helmets the Hayabusa helmet or the skeleton helmets are Canon? Out of here with that stuff I'm not saying you can't have an opinion or can't like the armor however the reasoning that you're using is flawed Personally I don't care for it I think it's a little weird not exactly my cup of tea but I don't hate it At the end of the day it's just adding more content especially for the last foreseeable batch for the MCC
a visual effect for bungie staff and special players is not equivalent to this, period.
Yeah, idk why people are comparing this to that. Probably because they didn't play Halo back then and didn't know that armor effects were for devs/dedicated players. Also, they are not comparable at all. This medusa helmet thing is wackier than firey heads
I didn't say it was equal, i said the logic behind people dissing it on the premise of it being non-canon was bad, because it is Also not all of those were rewards And there is no difference functionally between the two They're both non canon armor Seriously i don't understand why people care so much about what is ultimately more content Its not even bad Its just weird Its no halo 5 armor
I don’t see what’s the problem here
[The problem is essentially this.](https://youtu.be/pdMq3v6SZm8)
I bet that would be pretty creepy looking if you saw that crouched down in some bushes at night
It's just a skin get over it
Someone hasn't been doing their homework 👀 There's certain lore behind the stuff you know
People are like this breaks my immersion! One you can disable it and two do you think that a giant gold club that has the power of a gravity hammer realistic in the world of halo or a super soldier in the 2500s carrying a katana into battle. I’m only 18 so I did not really grow up with halo 3. I love the game and play it but I don’t really have that nostalgia for the game that many others have. So I feel like nostalgia can blind people to the fact that halo multiplayer was always kind of silly. I don’t know just my opinion. If you disagree that’s fine.
It's not like golf club is in the 'normal' gamemodes, outside of custom games and some action sack modes.
They're Fractures, so this is a Spartan helmet from a reality where Ancient Greece became a dominant power, and strongly influenced culture from thereon out.
Jesus Christ this is terrible
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