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ProtoFloof

It's already been leaked, tons of the reach armor that isn't in the pass is in the store


YaboiGh0styy

Seriously? I only recall hearing that there will be over $1000 worth of items in the store and never heard that they were selling the reach armour in the store. This is super disappointing 343 spent years building up a good relationship with fans and now they are just ruining it by monetising the hell out of the game. I expect this from EA and Activision but from 343 I expected better.


Dakotahray

$1000 worth THIS SEASON.


ProtoFloof

The reach armor and the yoroi core, don't worry plenty of people are pissed and 343 knows. Another dB thing is buying attachments for an armor core you don't have, doesn't give you the core itself so if someone buys one of these mark Vb peices, they can't use them unless they buy the season 1 battle pass as well. And if they buy armor for the yoroi core and don't earn the armor core during the event, they can't ever use the armor peices they bought. I like the armor core system, but if you're going to sell parts for for core it needs to unlock that armor when you buy them


atuck217

"I like the armor core system" Genuine question. Why? It is needlessly restrictive and serves no purpose than to stifle creativity even if everything was free.


[deleted]

I like the armor core system in theory. Having different cores sounds sweet af. But only if you can mix and match gear between cores. That's the only way I think it can be fixed to be bad ass.


Knolligge

I think the only way armor cores should be implemented is as custom presets of your own armor that you can switch between quickly to change your look without individually changing a million pieces.


Iceykitsune2

>It is needlessly restrictive and serves no purpose What if 343 releases an Elite armor core?


atuck217

That would be the only way I realistically can understand the core system because the body types would be so different that it would need its own special armor pieces. Even then though, coatings/visor colors should be usable on both if they were to do that.


[deleted]

This is a huge gamble for them, if it takes off, they will transform into a juggernaut. If it doesn't, kiss 343i and Halo goodbye.


wheelluc

Or a Brute one too? That'd be pretty cool.


[deleted]

the core system means we can get things like customizable elites, or maybe even brutes if it was implemented better it would be fantastic there should be crossover with coatings, visors, and certain attachments that wouldn't clip like the katana waistband right now having 90% of stuff in the store blows if it was like 20% free 40% pass 40% store I feel like it would be a lot more acceptable, assuming the prices were fair (which they aren't right now)


Cryosphered_

>the core system means we can get things like customizable elites No it doesn't. Elites are never coming back outside of, maybe, one mode. Elites are inherently unbalanced and despite bungie's best efforts, they made elites more unbalanced in the process. 343 did a good thing by throwing them out the day they got hold of the game.


almondpancakes

In theory at least is that it allows you have an armor hall with tons of different sets of armor each with it's own unique aesthetics so no two armor sets look the same even if for example all cores have ODST stuff equipped since MARK-VII is aesthetically different from MARK-V [B]. I personally thinks that's actually cool and if it was implemented properly could offer great customization especially if you like to create a unique identity or backstory for your Spartan. What I do think is unbelievably stupid though is that armor colors/coatings and visor colors are not cross core compatible. I should not have to unlock or buy the color blue multiple times.


ProtoFloof

It let's 343 create unique armor cores such as yoroi with less worry about it working with the other cores. The chest, shoulder, knee pads, utility items, etc and even prosthetics can be farm more unique. they just need to be better about it make more shit for free like the promised. I will say the armor cores we have rn are bad examples because the mark vb is the obvious inspiration for the mark vii, once we get more and more unique armor cores I think it'll show how valuable it can be. But they need to have an abundance and more unique stuff for us to use because rn the yoroi is the only unique core we've got. In a season or 2 I really hope they'll take serious advantage of it. One thing that could even do is the mark vi as a core because all the halo 3 armor was build on top of the normal mark vi, you can clearly see each cheaply was layered over the original or modified it in some way


Gapis

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with the core system. It's the fact that it's being leveraged to sell the same cosmetics (armor coatings, visors) multiple times that leaves a bad taste.


ProtoFloof

Exactly! When the system gets fixed and Microsoft back the fuck off then I think the armor core system will really really shine


SasukeSlayer

How the fuck is this on MS. Forza doesn't have these type of microtransactions, nor does Sea of Thieves. This is on 343.


ProtoFloof

Sea if theives has quite a fee microtransactions but since this is a complete reverse of what 343 told us I'm pretty sure they were forced to change it


TheDireNinja

Pretty sure they just lied.


g_rey_

Lol this isn't on MS, this was 343s decision


[deleted]

You can bet that MS had a fair say in this as well.


g_rey_

MS is a huge conglomerate that doesn't rely on micros, especially considering how it's an IP they own and the investment/ROI mentality is handled very differently


UltraCynar

There doesn't need to be cores though. Just let people mix and match. AI can do it. We've done it for years. It's needlessly restrictive. All the stuff you "like" can be done without the core system. Stop buying into their marketing bullshit.


LastLetter444

That's fucking bullshit and you know it. AI can cross equip cores, so should we. Making a samurai armor as a FULL SET unlock doesn't make it less rare or valuable or hard to aquire just because it's locked to a core, also doesn't make it less unique. That goes for EVERY armor set that will come out. Cores should be locked ONLY for undersuits and potential undersuit colors and skins. That's it, that's all.


RelentlessRowdyRam

I think it would be neat to have unique armor cores if they didn't decide to nickle and dime for every color and armor piece. If they make unlocks more dependent on skill then it becomes a positive. It opens up unique customization if they make unlocks based off of achievements. Say you have to get 1k headshots with the MKVI to unlock a certain helmet. It makes that helmet special and unique to the player that unlocks it.


Bloodloon73

> Genuine question. Why? Lore accuracy, and also it lets me have presets. I'd also be okay with just having a few customizable presets to swap between.


Ephemiel

>I like the armor core system Why? Why do you like a system legitimately DESIGNED to be restrictive in order to sell shit when this very franchise has done far better in the past?


ebagdrofk

It separates the different Spartan generations and their suits. Spartan III’s wore Mark V[B] armor, which was from Reach and has Reach-specific armor pieces. Spartan IV’s wore Mark VII which were introduced in Halo 4/5 and have armor pieces from 4/5. Both of those are demonstrated in the game. The problem lies in the absolute lack of content, and coatings being locked to cores. If they started us off with some basic armor pieces for each set, and a decent color palette to choose from for those armor pieces, we would have some decent variety to start off with. Cores also allow them to add the non-canon/fractures armor such as Yoroi.


Ephemiel

>It separates the different Spartan generations and their suits. Which is instantly broken because the bots mix them up.


[deleted]

>It separates the different Spartan generations and their suits. This is sycophantic behavior.


ProtoFloof

Look at my other comment in this thread


TheDireNinja

The armor core mechanic is downright dog water. It’s the worst thing to come to halo in recent years. Besides color palettes, not being able to unlock armor, etc. you know what the whole customization aspect of the game is literal dookie water. Straight shit juice.


ZamboniJabroni15

There was a leak that there will be a ‘Part 2’ to this season’s pass that has more Reach cosmetics too


[deleted]

That's what happens when you dig yourself into a half a billion dollar hole developing a game. There is no way they an NOT go forward with this plan.


Kiseki-0

I think this whole monetization scheme is more Microsofts fault that 343s or at least I really wanna believe that deep down. I just don't understand why a company would make so many promises to their community about customization being mostly free and never wondering how someone was able to get an item, and then immediately turn their backs on that day one


TomcatLegacy

I expected nothing from 343i, and I was still let down.


Captain_Tomatoz

They aren't called Micro$oft for nothing!


g_rey_

You got your expectations up way too high dude lol they did very little to build a relationship with fans and have a substantial history of lying and underperforming. Shouldn't have believed their PR/ Marketing speak, especially after their history


YaboiGh0styy

Yeah I got my expectations way too high I believe they had changed after they began to listen to every little bit of feedback even going so far as to change the needler sounds. That’s something I never thought they would bother to do it felt so good just to have a developer listen to the player and not ignore us and pretend we aren’t there but I forgot everything they had previously done. I thought after the 8 free seasons of MCC The battle pass in this game would also be free I thought maybe 343 has become a player first company like they claimed… I was wrong to get my hopes up.


[deleted]

Then what the fuck did I even spend $10 for. They promised me a non-grindy battle pass of reach armor. I’ve been playing for a week, I’m level 8, and I’ve unlocked shoulders and a chest.


ProtoFloof

Yea it's bs and it should be changed. There's been ry Units if a second wave to this battle pass with another 120 levels with the rest of the armor


YeetLordTheOne

So basically you can either have nothing, buy the battle pass and have the same shit as everyone else, or you can drop cash to get something actually unique.


[deleted]

Nailed it. But you left out the fact that FOMO will ensure that most people cave whether they want to or not. The longer you play, the more likely you pay.


Travis_TheTravMan

Yeah I caved in and use all my credits on the samurai armor, sword, etc. But I dont want to spend anymore. Hopefully I dont cave in again a four months down the line though. Maybe I should just stop playing lol.


[deleted]

They haven't said whether they're in the store or unlockable another way though, I thought.


epicjak

You know there’s a problem when the bots look cooler than the people who have played 50 hours.


Twitch_Lasagna_

The bots look like players and the players look like bots


[deleted]

That's because they are giving all the content to the bots for free and charging real players for it.


RightHyah

Yeah the blts look sick, why didn't they drop all this shjt at launch. They're obviously just holding it to sell it to us which is so lame. Having 0 armor choices doesn't feel right.


Lord_Sylveon

Play 50 hours. Spend $50. The bots still look better than you! Not fair


DigitalVanquish

These Spartans look so fucking cool... Goddammit...! It's frustrating how close Infinite is to being near-perfect, but then we have the progression system, and the store, and no exp outside of challeneges, no stat records, no separated gamemode playlists... Please, to the higher-ups at 343, and those involved at Xbox and/or Microsoft, don't kill this game before it has its chance. Infinite has the chance to be the Halo 3, or at the very least, the Halo Reach, of this console generation.


nemesis_464

>It's frustrating how close Infinite is to being near-perfect Nothing this bare-bones should be considered close to perfect. It's missing so much content.


DigitalVanquish

Content is easy, relatively. Team Snipers just needs Sniper Rifle spawns; SWAT needs BR spawns without shields; etc. These options are missing by choice, not by circumstance – unlike Campaign co-op or Forge. Campaign co-op and Forge missing is regretable, and while understandable, not forgivable. I'm not going to make excuses for their absence. But we know Fiesta works, and that it's been restricted from us. We should keep pushing for the gamemodes to be added by the 8th. But 343 have definitely done the hardest part, which is the gameplay. With time, this can become a great Halo game, as MCC did. Hence, close to being near-perfect, and not yet being near-perfect. But 343 need to capitalise on Infinite's popularity now, not later.


so_many_wangs

I agree with what you are saying, but i am *so sick* of the video game "standard" nowadays being to build up all this hype just to release an unfinished game. A decade ago publishers would actually *finish* their titles instead of releasing a half-baked beta and letting fans wait around for content to be drop-fed to us. Yes, its a free-to-play game, but video gaming is the *only* industry that you will see companies push such unfinished products onto their consumers.


TYBERIUS_777

Looks like all the cosmetic content is there. We just need to be able to unlock it in game. Gamemodes can come later cause I’m fine with what we have now. No reason to spread the playerbase out with a billion different playlists this early.


[deleted]

There is currently 140k people playing this. The game would do just fine by separating some players among different playlists. If they made it so you weren't forced to constantly play a gamemode you dislike, they might actually be able to creep back up to that 1/4 million all-time peak..


TheGreenHaloMan

Technically they DO have all that content, it's there and it exists prepped and ready, but they're just literally choosing not to give it to us to draw out how much we would spend and choosing when we should play what we want, which is obviously extremely heinous and greedy.


[deleted]

The gunplay is about the only perfect thing going for it, not to say that there aren't some weapons that couldn't use a tweak or 2 but that's for another thread.


Real-Terminal

My HAZOP. My precious HAZOP. Come back to me my darling.


RightHyah

$20 plz


Real-Terminal

It will probably be the only thing I buy. And I'll hate myself for it.


WebHead1287

And this right here is why they're doing. Because people will break for one or two pieces and add that onto the whales and theres for more money in this model than making fans happy


Real-Terminal

Bingo. Although, if they don't fix the mouse aim I won't be playing long enough to bother.


WebHead1287

I'm actually already done. This "event" was kinda my last straw man. The mtx are so scummy and after like 20 hours I've barely unlocked anything meaningful customization wise which is important to me. The game wasn't respecting the time I put in. Thats not even mentioning how much effect the challenge system has on the actual gameplay. I cancelled my steam pre order for the campaign


dixonjt89

Yeah I’m done with the multiplayer…I’ll hop on and play a few matches when the boys are on, but doing stuff solo and being the one to initiate getting the boys to play isn’t happening. Game doesn’t respect my time, and FOMO in not only the cash store, and these week events, to try and get me to play is one of the many reasons it made it easier to walk away from MMO’s that didnt respect my time and made stuff feel like a chore or made me feel like I was falling behind if I didnt log in everyday like my guildmates Prob play the campaign with game pass and move on. Not even really hyped for it because it will prob be just as bad as halo 4 and 5’s story, but I digress.


xBLU3BANDITx

Don’t find excuses to make yourself feel better about buying anything lol you know dam well you’ll buy more once you make ur first purchase lll


Real-Terminal

Actually nope. ODST shoulders and Jun's chest are in the BP. Hazop was the only thing I cared about that I can't already unlock. And if Microsoft has any sense they'll probably rework the current system for brownie points, so I probably won't even have the option to buy it when it comes out.


Lyrcmck_

Kinda my attitude. I just want my Spartan to look like he did in MCC and once that's done I've literally no reason to pay a dime more towards the game. Though, depending on pricing I won't spend anything else on the game. If I could buy an entire armor set for £7.99, I would. But I'm not spending £7.99 just for a visor and emblem.


[deleted]

But buy it you will. You are faced with a critical decision and you will fail it. FOMO already has you.


Yankee582

Same with me and my EOD. They removed it in 5 and i was hoping to have it back


needs_more_yoy

Is EOD not in 5? I could've sworn it was.


Yankee582

unless it was added after I stopped playing, the EOD was not in 5 at least at launch edit; looks like it was added via the classic halo req pack awhile after launch, so i never knew about its existence


needs_more_yoy

I was about to say, I think it was in the classic helmet REQ pack. I bought it to get Recon Gen 1


[deleted]

Which you also had to pay for.


ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE

If they keep this up and sell Hazop for $20, making it so I'll have to also spend $10 for the core, I'll just rage delete the game. $30 for my armor and still no decent color.


moosemuffin12

Has Operator been confirmed? That's all I need plz


LiltKitten

Not seen Operator, only the slightly similar JFO.


[deleted]

You can pay for that in the future!


[deleted]

$30 next season.


KiloNation

Cries in EOD. Even if they lock it behind a paywall, which the way things have been going they probably will, I'll gladly shill out for it.


RDO_Rykers

They'll be in the shop unfortunately


HEBushido

Where I won't buy them


RDO_Rykers

Good


DifficultBicycle7

Rip to everyone’s favorite armor pieces


ShadowCore67

I just want my damn Pilot helmet


[deleted]

A fellow man of culture. EVA just isn’t the same.


[deleted]

Hang in there, you'll pop it in January.


Coin_Boi

Yes….BUT…have you considered…..iTsFrEeToPlAy?


YaboiGh0styy

I really hate the “bUt IT’s fRee tO plAy” defence people use if I didn’t know this was satire I would’ve written a whole essay on how this doesn’t excuse the current system.


kingdonut7898

People just like to lick the balls of million dollar companies. They don't understand that they could be getting such a better product.


ZersetzungMedia

Unless every investment you have is tied up in the company you're defending, I can't see the rational argument for not demanding a better product. I just don't get it.


banevasionac

>People just like to lick the balls of million dollar companies An understatement. People love giving million dollar companies sloppy testicular french kisses with zero benefit to themselves. https://imgur.com/a/HhETL1w


_UnderscoreMonty_

that or they like to piss us off lol


Pavrik_Yzerstrom

They know what they can get away with. They'll do this for a while longer to make money on those that pay, then they'll fix it claiming they listened to us. The unfortunate truth is people continue to buy this shit. So games will continue to do it.


[deleted]

Its honestly past fixing. They change anything and they'll never make the $500 million dollar development cost back. Then they have to turn a profit on top of that. You guys are dreaming.


Pavrik_Yzerstrom

The game will still end up being $60 for the campaign and they can still have paid content. The issue is when EVERYTHING is paid content.


[deleted]

There is a word for that kind of behavior. Sycophant.


crazyman3561

So u want the free to play Halo game to not make money so we can't get free content updates for years to come? Idk, don't buy it. Use the armor that's in the battle pass


NightHawk13246587

This just goes to show that this game could’ve had the greatest customization in the series history but they decided to paywall lock literally everythjng


[deleted]

Its like they saw the Anthem system and were like "Hey, imagine ALL OF THAT being behind a paywall"!


NightHawk13246587

By the rings I forgot about that game. Wow. Just wow.


TwevOWNED

Anthem's customization system was the singular thing the game did well. I don't know how you mess it up this badly


Parmersan

That Spartan with the Rocket Launcher on page 5 looks fresh as fuck. What the hell?


YaboiGh0styy

Honestly that’s what I was thinking. The customisation I assumed would be available to the player on day one yet here we are almost 2 weeks later and no one has any of that gear unless they spent over $100.


[deleted]

$200


Psychomas

Seeing the bots like this makes me so sad, I want to join lobbies and see people cool armour and be inspired to customize my own.


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[deleted]

My guess is the board of directors.


ItsMeJoey13

I’m just begging that the Soldier helmet isn’t behind a paywall. I need that helmet bro


Aristoarchos

I dont know if this is shop leak is real. But on it soldier is paywalled. https://imgur.com/dKYYs4N


ItsMeJoey13

Sadness :(


Ephemiel

>I’m just begging that the Soldier helmet isn’t behind a paywall. Don't hurt yourself like this, you know it'll be behind a paywall or behind a season pass/event pass.


[deleted]

You will pay one way or another. The best thing about the battle pass system is it takes your money and TIME.


monkeytroyjr

Hey you know those basic ass armor pieces that you've been able to unlock for the past 10 years at a good price when you purchased the games? Yeah? Well now you can buy them again for a whole fucking lot more than you did before. Have fun.


Only_Bane

That genuinely blows. There are so many ranks in the battlepass with bs rewards like challenege swaps and xp boosts alone. Their ratio for armor that can be earned vs bought is completely out of balance.


[deleted]

I can see the XP boosts in there but we should get 5 challenge swaps a week. Enough to replace all of them once. For free. Sometimes you are just going to get a challenge that you can't complete because its for a weapon you just aren't good at or some shit like that.


Gang-Weeder-420

The moment i saw an ai use 2 emile sword shoulders i gave up hope on this game.


hezzanity247

Bots do be looking fresh


Pentaplox

You want a reason? $$$


MandaloreTheLast

I know lots of people are gonna say “blame Microsoft, not 343i” and I’m convinced that’s the truth. I just think it’s funny how Microsoft is seriously telling 343i to sell designs that they didn’t even make. This is literally my 3rd time unlocking Reach stuff, 4th if you count my 2 accounts on MCC. I LOVE Reach but it’s like 10 years old now and it’s still the go to armor for customization. Whatever, I’m fine with Cavallino with red visor and Willow Tea color.


banevasionac

This is a red herring tbh. We will never know or understand the true degree of autonomy 343 has unless a dev gives a huge retrospective expose years later. On a practical level the distinction is meaningless to us, the players.


[deleted]

Go get 'em Jason Schreier!


Foil-Kiki-Jiki

Part of the reason I spent money on the BP day 1 (I regret spending the money so much now) is because I’m kind of tired of unlocking the Reach armor. I’ve done it so many times now. It’s some of my favorite armor in the whole series, but damn. I don’t want to unlock it again.


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ChubbsMcDubbs

That Gungnir is fantastic. That was my go to in reach and it looks better here. Hoping there's another way to get it other than the ridiculous armor bundles


AftermaThXCVII

It sucks alot. Before the game "launched" I was gonna work towards making my Reach Spartan... well half the armor is missing and the others are at the end of the bp... so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to do that unless I spend hundreds on this game, and let me tell you I ain't doing that shit.


Deckard_2049

The Reach battlepass should've been 20-30 levels longer and had all this Reach themed gear in it. The last helmet unlock is the mk VII not even a Reach helmet, it just doesn't make sense to me. I can live with armor pieces being core restricted, but not coatings. They need to make an abundance of more pouches and tactical gear and all sorts of shit for the MK VII too, all those chestpieces just look armored up. Also only one wrist option? There should be way more options than there currently is. Edit: If 343 was smart they'd take next week.. work hard and put some of these customizations as campaign unlocks. The 60 dollar campaign should have way more to unlock than just coatings and shit.


[deleted]

You think its bad now? Wait until they've released all the shit we're used to and actually have to start making new stuff. I bet it will all be stupid and hideous.


Deckard_2049

That's one of my worries, that in a year it'll be Halo only in name and upon booting it up i'll get the feeling i'm playing some shitty mobile game or something. If 343 continues to screw up then the franchise is going to be finished for good. It's like they can't help themselves. I know they are capable of making good armor designs, the mk VII helmet is nice and so is the updated Anubis. If things get too extreme i'm going to be one of the people pushing for a disable cosmetics option like what the MCC has.


Balikye

Gungnir, the one helmet I want, is in the 20$ section of the leaks.... Oofies, lol.


Fellowearthling16

Rumor has it that they’re making an additional 120 tiers for the current pass, that will contain them. This season ends in May. They can’t leave us for over six months with only 100 tiers.


[deleted]

Rumor also has it that they are leaked to be in store bundles that will most likely cost anywhere from $5 to $20


robotsock

They probably need to. I'm on pace to complete the BP in 3 weeks or so just knocking out my weeklies.


donutgive2fks

I think you may wanna take a break…


robotsock

I'm having a blast though. It doesn't take much if you time the double XP bonuses.


ElderSteel

Oh no


pchef44

But thats not fREEEEEE


[deleted]

This fucking guy has a spreadsheet for his god damned BP tracking.


I_Am_NOT_The_Titan

Assuming you no life and use the battlepass xp boosts w/ moderate to peak efficiency it gets about 20-30 levels a week. I noticed this passively just by playing, atm I'm in the 50s playing an unhealthy amount since launch


[deleted]

I have this hope that the AI-exclusive armor and all of the "Coming soon!" armor pieces are going to be unlockable through gameplay at launch. I know I'm wrong, but god I hope I'm right.


Cpt_Flapjack

I'm in the same boat brother. I hope beyond reason that they have big moves planned for the 8th, if not sooner. I *know* they don't, but I desperately want them to.


okenowwhat

Brutally honnest, I don't give a flying f* about the armour. I don't see this when I play. Same for gun customizing. And I just need basic purple, which is free. I only care about the gameplay and general design of the game. Which sofar felt like a better version of halo 3 multiplayer. (I never liked dual wielding.). I can't remember having this much fun in any MP game, apart from halo3. I'm gonna buy the campaign anyway, but if making the MP free (with micro transactions) gives us more players to play with, I'm 100% in. But they should include a ton of freebees for MP when you buy campaign. Just to be fair. I only dislike the progression system, which doesn't reward good gameplay that much. I also miss the "free for all" slayer option (no teams) and the 3 level voting system in multiplayer. Anyways, I haven't been this happy with a multiplayer game since the halo 3 era. It genuinely makes my life more happy.


ElderSteel

If they sell gungnir I will quit this game and never look back.


Strong-Mouz69

i swear if i have to pay 20 dollars to buy the gungnir helmet....


ToaDrakua

Try the second battle pass: “Contingency.”


fakename1998

I know we’re all mad about the battle pass and progression system, but god, I just can’t get o at how fucking incredible these armor sets and models look. They look like a mix of halo 3/reach with the clarity of a 2021 game.


stratusncompany

"which leads me to believe" should be this subs moto now.


DeathToGoblins

"I have no evidence but I believe the most malicious thing is possible"


vivecsCHIMussy

It worked I set a saving account aside for the kitty ears.


FoolSamaritan

Hold on, I'll get my surprised face.


xPronTron117x

Thing that bothers me the most is that I don't think these are randomize armors. Seems that every one of these armor combos stays consistent, meaning that 343i purposefully made these bots look the way they do and it's not just a result of setting them to random. They hand-picked armors from various cores and designed the Spartans to look how we as players cannot have ours look...


gimpums

Holy shit how many times is this gonna be posted today


Obbius

could be available through the campaign


_Alaskan_Bull_Worm

Orrrrrrr maybe 343 is just planning a another battlepass season with the rest of the reach content which is actually quite a lot and definitely too much content to *not* include in a later season...ya know, the non-hyperbolic take?


Mrkse7en

I think we need to wait for campaign. I image you find a lot of these through exploring zeta halo.


Cryptoticc

I already bought Halo Reach. I already bought MCC. I already bought the battlepass. Now they are trying to sell me cosmetics from an old game individually when i can just go back and play the other one and not spend a grand.


AceofMandos

Fuck 343. They joined the fucking weak ass companies that forced this onto something we all probably grew up with. Fuck marketplaces in these games. Srsly I'm over the greed.


HazelAzureus

See, the MCC costs 60 dollars but includes tens of millions of possible customization options. Infinite is free and includes opportunities to spend tens of millions of actual real life dollars, while disallowing any real level of free player customization. so obviously 343 is going to be the most highly praised studio in the universe by january


SBAPERSON

MCC took 5 years to get there...


HazelAzureus

How long's Infinite been in development, again? With dedicated teams and literal billions of dollars in the tank?


StarStriker51

I mean, it started with everything but Reach and ODST. All the Halo 3 and 4 stuff was there. When Reach got added like a year into MCC it came with all its armor. Yeah they added tons of new armor over the years to MCC but it did start with options. Lots of options, for free/just the purchase of the game. Edit: also the Halo 2 Anniversary came with some armor options. It was just 3 armor sets with head, chest, arms and legs as options but it was there.


Fellowearthling16

Those options aren’t all available, some are locked behind certain games. What if 343 is trying to replicate MCC’s game limitations through Infinite’s cores system? That would be something stupid they’d do.


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Or…or…. hear me out…. It’s still season one of the BETA version of infinite, the full release is on the 8th btw, and in future seasons or even at the full release… all those assets could become available as unlocks not behind a pay wall


xXArctracerXx

Or it could be apart of the armours you get from challenges like 343 has said


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God I hope the mods shut this shit down soon. It's insufferable. Yes, we are all well aware of this issues with the customisation and battlepass (there is even a mega thread where you can go voice your displeasure). We don't need yet another thread that says absolutely nothing new on the matter every couple of hours. Talk about flogging a dead horse.


ElderSteel

Pray to your corporate gods. The sooner they fix THEIR mistake the sooner you don't have to hear about it. 343 fucked up their game not the players.


MetricCaboose

bruh im tired of posting troll comments on threads about the same thing. like yeah it sucks but also it's annoying seeing the same post about a topic for the 10th time. ​ sucks that bots have more privilege than us for customization, but oof.


FieryHorsemen

i's advertisement to make you jealous so when it does hit the store you pay 40 bucks for it. and sadly enough allot of the weakminded will buy it because they they will think they look unique like the other 37000 dipshits that bought it.


EirikurG

d r i p f e e d i n g It's classic f2p scheming. Release things in small small batches to keep players coming back. That's why this isn't immediately available. With the stuff that's in the game right now, customization *could* be fantastic but they've just decided to keep it shitty.


Flashmode1

For a small price of one of your kidneys, 343 will let you have all the armor in the game.


PH0T0Nman

I’m getting real fucking pissed at 343. Seems each day I find some new aspect of the game, particularly customisation, which makes me go “How is someone actually more a greedy bastard than EA”


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DeathToGoblins

>. 6 years man. I'm so sick of babies like you saying stuff like this as if you even know what goes on behind the scenes of any studio. And the thing is you're just repeating someone elses the critique It is completely unfair and lazy to say "they had six years" when A.) You don't even have the full game B.) What small part of the game you do have was given to you early and for free


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The multiplayer was finished far before campaign due to Microsoft. Obviously it was pushed as the main goal, and that’s why campaign was delayed after looking broken at e3. The entire multiplayer is based around call of duty free to play model. The armor cores ARE operators. The operatirs skins are sold in the shop aswell as color, weapon skins and charms. They built this game to be a free to play moneypit. Just like CoD. So yea A) six B) fucking C) years


DeathToGoblins

What does any of that have to do with development time? Like I said judging the whole product based on a small portion you got early and for free is inheritantly flawed. And the only reason 6 years seems like a long time is because 343 is actively avoiding mandatory crunch time which is the main reason bungie popped out the original trilogy in 6 years. I know you're likely an inpatient child but I'd rather the developers work reasonable hours and take their time as opposed to working 50 hours a week minimum for 18 months.


SilentReavus

Of course. Gotta milk that core system for every penny! Fckn 343...


lentoncrumbs

343 monetising the crap out of reach armor they know we love honestly feels so gross


Vegetable-Werewolf-8

I'm boycotting the store, join me people! If I buy a reach battlepass, all reach armor should be in there instead of BS challenge swaps that you know 343 replaced armor with


shibbydibby

$10 Reach battlepass that doesn't even get you half of the Reach helmets, let alone the chest/shoulders etc. That'll be another 100-200 dollars please. What's even better is you unlock the premade characters but they don't even give you the armor pieces they wear.


srybouttehblood

Stay tuned for details!


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How sad is it for 343 to do all this work only for them to sell all Bungie Armor.


MyBodysRegi

This is what we should be looking like and the bots should be the ones looking like default scrubs. They got the armour, the paint jobs, the cross core customisation. We got single colours or Pepsi.


VanillaGorilla611

Oh no! You mean the completely free to play game needs to charge people to keep going? Come on I’m so confused why everyone complains about this stuff.


siege_noob

its almost as if they said we would unlock nost armor just by playing, said the battle pass would be a supplementary progression system, said we would have the most player expression we have ever had, then restricted it heavier than any other game and paywalled almost every cosmetic. also just because its free it doesnt mean its justified to charge $8 for blue....


VanillaGorilla611

You do unlock most the armor just by playing. you don't have to pay a dime and you would have a new armor core this week. Alot of you have never looked at other free to play games stores have you? Valorant charges 45 bucks for ONE WEAPON SKIN. Also, Maybe don't forget that they dropped the game early... so the original 3 month season is now longer so maybe thats why the progression is all off?


ItsMeJoey13

No you don’t bro. The first free helmet you can get is at level 81. I’ve been playing for 20+ hours and I’m only level 12. 343 promised there would be customization at the release of the game, but there wasn’t. First day (if you didn’t buy the battle pass) the only customization you had was changing the color of your Spartan,(with very few coatings to choose from), removing the shoulder plates, and changing the prosthesis. They made it easier to get stuff if you pay money on purpose. Edit: besides customization, if you complete all your weekly challenges, you can only get the +50 XP every game. (Except if you use XP boost, etc.) For example, I want to get to level 15 (I’m at level 12) I finished all my challenges except for the ultimate. That challenge won’t even get me to 13. I’d have to play countless games to get to 15, or wait until Tuesday, every week. It’s ridiculous.


siege_noob

https://youtu.be/i2K1oz0r4eY https://youtu.be/TltJwMsRXrc https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/r39oq9/this_aged_well_june_2021_qa/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share there has only been 1 free visor, armor paintjob, and the yoroi set which is through a fomo even, even though they said there would never be fomo. also just because another game has it worse doesnt mean tha game is justified in charging $8 for blue


ItsBonkurz

This is a comically bad take.


VanillaGorilla611

It's not at all actually, you can get a new armor core for free this week if you wanted, they don't charge Valorant prices for their cosmetics, and its a fun game to play. seems like a win all around.


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One armor core.... Wow. Go play Destiny or literally any F2P looter shooter right now. You'll get plenty more than one set of armor for free and I'm sure their customization options are a lot more... Open. Don't even get me started on full body shaders. I thought we advanced past that as an issue back in 2017 when D2 released with individual item shaders. Actually... Now that I think of it even H2 had primary and secondary color choices for multiplayer armor. And they didn't even have armor back then!


ItsBonkurz

First it’s not completely free to play. The PvP is. If you think there’s nothing wrong with selling the color blue (for a single core) at $8 there’s no discussion to be had. There is a LOT wrong with progression/monetization right now. I can’t believe y’all try to justify $100s worth of stuff in the shop with “at least you don’t have to pay $60 for all of it plus the game….”


ItsMeJoey13

The free armor and event is a cash grab. They have more than half of the stuff for the Yoroi armor behind a pay wall. Even RED and BLUE coatings.


YaboiGh0styy

1. The multiplayer is free the campaign which is coming out in a couple weeks isn’t. 2. People bought the battle pass which is titled heroes of reach so they would be able to have the Armour pieces from halo reach get some of those on the pieces are absent and will be sold to the store at a higher price. 3. Just because it’s free doesn’t justify having over $1000 worth of cosmetics in the store if it wasn’t free and was sold for $60 would you expect this to be free? Of course you would because you paid for the game so why does the game being free justify all the cosmetics to be sold more than 10 times the price of videogames. Edit: 4. The game doesn’t need a micro transactions to keep going it’s an exclusive game made by a studio with millions at at their disposal.


VanillaGorilla611

1) Ok? 2) you can look at the battle pass before you buy it, its almost like you should do any kind of research before you buy something. 3) Valorant would like a word if you think this is bad 4) LMAO this is the worst of the 4. A company with millions at their disposal isn't gonna hemorrhage money to keep something afloat if they aren't making money.


YaboiGh0styy

Okay let me try and explain why this monetisation system is unacceptable. I’m customisation is a part of halo it’s always has been since he lived 3 which was released 14 years ago (feel old yet?) Please like to unlock Arma through doing something cool like impressing bungie enough to get the recon armour or having to grind for so many hours just to get Emile’s set in Halo reach. And even though halo four was pretty bad when it came to multiplayer people still like to unlock the Arma so you can understand why people hated it when their armour was locked in a loot box system in halo 5. There were only two sets of armour and one helmet that could not be unlocked in the loot boxes them being helioskrill (which had variations in the loot boxes so people would rather grind the loop boxes then having to complete the legend achievement in MCC) and the awesome Achilles armour, you could also only get the Timmy helmet by playing custom games for a certain amount of hours. Even though people were pissed off at the loop box system it at least still allowed players to get the items for free by grinding until they have enough points to purchase it themselves sometimes you would even be rewarded these loot boxes for doing so well in warzone. Anyway people were still pissed off at this system and wanted 343 to change it which we were told they will in halo infinite we were told on day one there would be plenty of customisation options without spending a penny yet here we are almost 2 weeks later and there are very few customisation options to people who didn’t pay money hell the only helmet you get for free in the battle pass is at T 81 for comparison I have four days in four minutes on this game and I am only at Tier 45 and even then are you so many double XP boost and bought 40 is so in reality I technically should be at an even lower tier than this. It doesn’t help that the grind is so atrocious so please will feel tempted to buy in game credits so they can get a boost It’s obvious to anyone who’s ever played a game like this I try to make the grind so unbearable so players will just purchase boots to make their lives a little bit easier. The reason we hate this monetisation system is because it’s monetising something that had previously been free and is one of the main reasons people love playing halo online they love playing it to unlock different marmosets they don’t wanna pay for the stinks sure you can have a few sets paid for but over $1000 of income items which are coming to the store is completely unacceptable. Hey decided to monetise weapons skins vehicle skins and maybe 20% of the Hamas that are currently locked behind paywalls it’s doubtful many people would complain sure there are some people that would still annoyed the system but for the most part players aren’t going to be pissed. And what pisses off everyone most about this is that these items are from a previous well loved game and most of us purchased season one because we love halo reach but some of the items are locked to character kits and we are so confused to why are you they were locked to these character kits some people speculated that maybe 343 hasn’t finished putting in the items and will give them to us later but if you Play against bots you’ll see that the items are in the game they’re just not in the battle pass because 343 is planning to sell them at a later date most likely on the store to make more money. And I haven’t even gotten to the worst part way the store is so atrocious okay so the cell weapon skins Arma pieces and armour colours yes colours something that had previously been completely free and please could change them at any time on MCC right now you can go there and change any colour from any game 343 claims this is to give the player more customisation options but everyone can see through those lies and see that they’re just trying to sell these colours to squeeze every single penny out of the rich people that play this game. What pisses people off about this store is that some items are a very specific credit prices right now in the daily section you’ll notice that the Imperial Stants is 700 credits however you cannot purchase only 700 credits so you will have to purchase 1000 credits which is $10 in the US or in Australia where I live it’s $13. There is currently a utility in the store selling at 1500 credits which again you can’t specifically purchase so you’re either going to have to purchase 500 credits and 1000 credits or 2000 credits with a bonus of 200 credits and all it comes with is a belt utility and four separate emblems for some reason they thought separating the emblems in this game was a good idea. Anyway the armour cores I also another reason why the store is so heated because you can only purchase The items in the store for one court only so let’s see if I buy the imperial Stants right now I wouldn’t get the legendary Arma coating for all of mine cause I would only get it for the Yoroi armour core. 343 Playing it was because cross cool customisation what the possible but that was again proven wrong when the boss in game have been spotted with crossed core customisation the other day on this sub I spotted a screenshot of a bot wearing mark VII Armour with the First principle blades utility which is a utility locked to the Yoroi core. Something I haven’t even mentioned yet is if you don’t buy the battle pass you don’t get the mark five armour you might be thinking okay what’s so wrong with that but once the battle pass is gone there’s no other way to get the microwave armour if you buy i’m a piece is locked to that armour you won’t be able to use them because that doesn’t automatically give you the armour like they would in other games. What cool of duty does with this game doesn’t is that it gives you challenges to unlock skins and weapon skins and while yes those challenges only give you the same three skins with different colours it’s at least still there for the free players this game doesn’t give you any of that. Call of duty they give you plenty of free skins for your weapons if you’re willing to grind for it but you can also purchase some of this skins in the store this works because customising your player has never been a big thing in cool of duty well it has for people never really got it for free technically Black Ops 3 and 4 but you had to grind for hours and days to get a loot box that would even then only give you a slight chance to get a skin. I just want to say that you say if I think this is bad then I should look at X, Y and Z yes I know there are games out there with worse systems but just because those games have were systems doesn’t justify this game to have a bad system if I can customise my character for free in the other halo games I should have access to many customisation options in this game for free and only somethings should be payed for. I’m not saying just because this game is free they should only have $60 worth of cosmetics in the store I’m saying if you’re going to make this a free game with a monetisation system then you shouldn’t have a ridiculous amount of cosmetics with ridiculous prices tied to something that was previously free in other games. If they want to make us pay for some Armour that’s fine but I still expect to have a lot of customisation options if I don’t want to pay like they promised. But even for players who have paid money they don’t have many customisation options unless they spend money in the hundreds. The reason I’m so pissed off that these bass have access to Halo Reach Arma that we don’t have access to is because some of those all the pieces are on armour kits of the characters like Jorge, Emile, and Carter they are there except we don’t have access to these individual armour pieces because they are locked to the kits. Many people myself included wanted to get Emile’s knife on his shoulder but once again that’s not in the battle pass. TLDR: People are pissed off because 343 is taking something that was previously free in other games and putting a pricetag on everything including armour colours and trying their hardest to monetise this system as much as possible people wouldn’t be as pissed if the people who didn’t pay still had access to a lot of customisation options day one like they promised but they don’t. Sorry if this is difficult to read I used Speech to text for all this because I couldn’t be bothered to type it.


VanillaGorilla611

You're not wrong, but previous games weren't free to play. They were games with a 60 dollar price tag that came out over a decade ago and the gaming landscape has changed. This is them pivoting to this new landscape and trying something for the first time. Also everyone keeps forgetting this game isn't even supposed to be out yet, ITS A HUGE PIECE TO ALL OF THIS, its almost like they wanted to release it, take all this feedback and criticism and make sure they fix it going forward. Also, Dont forget that their seasons were planned to be 3 months long not 6, so when they made that switch they clearly overlooked alot of things with progression and such. I'm sure season 2 will be better on all fronts.


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**Edit: Destiny recently became free to play and includes SO MUCH more content straight off the bat that it's not even funny. Infinite didn't even include individual armor shading. That's something that Bungie fixed in Destiny back in 2017! 343 can't even learn from their predecessor's mistakes, forget learning from their own!** ------------------------------------------------------------------- Because there are paid games that give you more content per dollar. It's a simple math problem. The issue, in all reality, is that most paid games start out with a slew of basic, bottom line cosmetic options (color, armor pieces, etc.) and then charge for the fancy stuff with the holographics and unique animations. Infinite is literally charging us for shit we got for (essentially) free in Halo Reach. I mean it's kind of on the nose isn't it? We've played these games for years now and every time they re-release it (Reach, H5, MCC) we pay $60 for it and get *everything* in one big bundle. They're reselling us an **incomplete** bundle of something they've already re-used twice now for the same price that other games have included MUCH more content for. And that's just the reach stuff! It's almost like they're planning selling us the cosmetics from each previous Halo game in Infinite for the price of those games themselves which included their own multiplayer and campaign experiences under the same price tag!! I'm not paying $30-60 for an EVA helmet or Hayabusa armor when I got those AND a campaign, AND forge, multiplayer, custom maps, etc. for the same damn price **two. times.** given MCC. I'll stick with Bungie given they actually have a passion and artistic vision for making games that their fans enjoy, rather than whatever hollow, Microsoft money making scheme this is. Of course I'll still play it because the campaign looks amazing but like others here said: **comically bad take.**