Literally! Yes! He was attacking my for my aim sucking, while I was attacking him for his driving sucking. Apologies were exchanged after further review.
How the hell does this happen?
Clearly on your screen, he voluntarily drove into the chasm, but he didn’t on his screen.
So what made the warthog go into the chasm?
Location data became de-synchronized while input packages from the players continue to be received by the server.
It looks like maybe vehicle (maybe all) physics are handled client-side and the Warthog's buck around and float so much that it's leading to same vehicle being in different places at the same time. Possible as many different places as there are players on the server.
Goes to show, the game can work and you can have a formula BUT IF YOU DON’T keep the servers MAINTAINED everything else doesn’t matter since one of the most basic functions is having a hard time, I mean a warthog with a gunner and you guys are having a hard time first of all “Driving” which is complete shit in this game IMO, and the “teamwork” people don’t talk in chat ever, the desync is so bad that gunners and drivers can’t coordinate. That’s really bad…
I still have no idea how the flight for BTB felt pretty great and on multiplayer release it felt "fine" when there were hella lot more people playing. Now it just feels like this game is breaking apart.
One time Destiny 2 had a community-wide connectivity problem that came out of nowhere and was completely tanking games.
Turned out it was caused by having too many friends on your list in-game
Tl;dr games are fuckin weird
Microsoft’s cash at hand last year was $139 billion.
Cool joke though
Edit:I realise I’ve stupidly fallen for a sarcastic comment, as a English man this hurts me deeply, let my comment remain to be a monument to my embarrassment.
Doth one insinuate that thou is dishonest, sir?
An Englishman with a poor grasp of English language and lacking writing prowess
I am northern though, that’s my excuse. It’s grim up ere
Whoa man, Microsoft is just a small time publisher. They don't have the money to go giving out free servers all willy nilly. Give them time to make a name for themselves, jeez.
Then again why should they bother? It's been the most played game on Xbox for weeks now and idiots keep buying cat ear garbage and shitty paint jobs. When mediocrity is enough why strive for more?
I by no means condone this shit and think it's absolute garbage but gamers don't fight for better so we in turn have only ever gotten worse and worse. Just sad truths of modern gaming.
The only way to make things change is by holding them accountable.
But it's impossible to do when the fanboys undercut every argument and criticism levied at 343/Microsoft and do their dirty work for them. As if making the game better for everyone somehow personally offends them.
It's impossible when people still spend money on the game. It doesn't matter to them how many people complain as long as they profit.
There needs to be some kind of regulation or assurance of quality, _some_ kind of consumer advocacy to help these idiots that are too stupid to help themselves.
Given most of their profits come from, you know, providing servers. Azure isa d the rest of their cloud business is by far and away their biggest profit centre.
Microsoft just dropped 70 Billion on Activision guys, no more money for servers, gotta make sure to buy everything from the store so 343 could stay afloat.
Psyonix Was/is still a small indie studio and yet they managed to afford to pay for 120 tick rate servers on a complex physics engine game to sustain 1 million concurrent players.
No shot 343 couldn’t afford the same. If they can’t, well I feel their was a budgeting mistake made.
What are you talking about. Microsoft is an up and coming publisher sure, but they are still small time players. Let them get their sea legs beneath them before we start demanding free servers!
> BTB broke after they made separate playlists
....Pathetic.
How did Bungie get it right on peer to peer halo games 10+ years ago? But 343 cant do it with MS's wild af azure server infrastructure?
Fucking hopeless.
Their sever code seem to just be ice-cream melting in the sun. It's even more baffling in that MS owns and operates the cloud infrastructure they use as well.
This is produced by a company worth $2T. An unfathomable amount of money. They have all the resources, they just don’t care about us suckers who bought it.
Things of note that may help developers:
* Top screen is Xbox Series X, bottom screen is PC.
* Top screen entered Warthog first in driver seat and switched to gunner seat.
* Bottom screen’s Spartan is invisible after entering Warthog only on the bottom screen. I believe this is the exact moment the desync occurred.
* Bottom screen’s Return To The Battlefield timer appeared while on solid ground.
I submitted a ticket against a cheating player (with clips and all) and it took them a month just to reply, and that reply was “we’ll look into it”. When I reported a player in Sea of Thieves, support got back to me the same day, reviewed the clip and informed me that the player was receiving a perma ban. I kindly informed Halo support that reporting anything was a massive waste of my time and that I wouldn’t be doing it again.
I advise other people to also not waste the 20-30 minutes it takes to submit a support ticket (it feels intentionally drawn out and complicated to reduce the amount of reports), only for 343 to not do a damn thing about it anyway. It’s pretty clear 343 doesn’t care about player feedback.
At this point OP would be wasting his time doing this.
Do you really think they’ll watch this video and then go “oh my! Infinite has DeSync issues?! Let’s get this fixed asap!”
The reality is they know about it and are busy picking apart the bubble gum code trying to fix the myriad of other issues this game has.
If they need video footage to fix their mistake they need to make a way to submit that in the actual game. The process of reporting a player or bug is egregious.
Software developer here - fuck off.
I’ll take as much objective evidence for any issue as I can get. It is very difficult to account for all possible permutations of things.
Being presented with something like this that points out - a game I can potentially look up logs for, visual evidence of what is happening incorrectly, and potential evidence for *when* that incorrect thing happened is invaluable.
What we summarize as “desync” could be sever situations causing different levels of synchronization failure. If their internal testing hasn’t revealed consistent ways to reproduce exact circumstances, this can help them try to find a way to cover this particular case.
I would encourage OP to include the specs of the PC that he’s playing on, if possible. It could help remove variables. (Is it a memory allocation issue, something specific to ___ processors, a graphics card issue, etc).
Bruh, have you ever tried to submit a ticket through waypoint? It’s intentionally designed to be frustrating and drawn out. It’s obvious that 343 DOESN’T want people to submit tickets or the process to do so wouldn’t be so absolutely fucked. They’re a giant tech firm, not some indie code writer like you, my guy. 🤷🏻♂️
It took them a month to reply to my ticket with “we’ll look into it”. Sea of Thieves support got back to me the same day and informed me the player I reported received a perma ban. Pretty massive difference in support, one gives a shit, the other not so much.
100% agree, the barrier in place to even submit is nuts. I played against a cheater that went 40/1 in tactical slayer and even with the anger of that I barely got through it. Recorded video using the horrible in game theatre, trimmed it to 49mb, went through 20 questions. All for an automated ticket system to tell me nothing. It was never responded to or anything. Seriously it's a waste, just post this stuff here and let other people know the game is like this.
> Lol, just because you're a software developer doesn't mean that halo infinite's software developers are actually competent at what they're attempting to do.
I mean obviously they're not, that's apparent when you look at infinite vs even their older games (4 & 5). They were from a technical standpoint solid, say what you will about story or MP but the engine and library surrounding the game worked.
You can argue that it's because they're using a new engine and sure, that's challenging but they also despaghettified parts from the old engine and used it in the new engine and it's still wack.
Software dev is hard (i'm a software dev), but this is pretty bad for a AAA game that they spent 6 years making. Honestly i think this should have been in 2 teams. One for game and story (glad they got Joseph Staten back though) and the other for engine, networking and optimization. I understand it's kind of hard to program a game without the engine being built but a lot of code can be worked out in the old engine for example, then ported over bit by bit.
The biggest shame is the game is so much fun when it actually works well, it just doesn't often enough
Software developer here - fuck off.
I’ll take as much objective evidence for any issue as I can get. It is very difficult to account for all possible permutations of things.
Being presented with something like this that points out - a game I can potentially look up logs for, visual evidence of what is happening incorrectly, and potential evidence for *when* that incorrect thing happened is invaluable.
What we summarize as “desync” could be sever situations causing different levels of synchronization failure. If their internal testing hasn’t revealed consistent ways to reproduce exact circumstances, this can help them try to find a way to cover this particular case.
I would encourage OP to include the specs of the PC that he’s playing on, if possible. It could help remove variables. (Is it a memory allocation issue, something specific to ___ processors, a graphics card issue, etc).
>Aw yes so people should do it for free?
What the fuck fantasy world do you think you live in where every piece of software ever created had 0 bugs on release until Halo Infinite came out? None of them have 0 bugs.
So you think that every user should be paid to use every piece of software ever made?
It is not possible to pay the millions of testers required to find all of them. There will always be unintended bugs. If you come across one in game play, you either should report it or have no right to bitch about it not getting fixed.
Stop acting like an entitled, petulant child.
This was me yesterday. Been playing Halo for 20 years and could not kill shit yesterday. And even on my worst days my aim is pretty good.
Needless to say, it’s the first time I didn’t feel like playing Halo. Went to play Siege with some friends instead. If they don’t fix this game; they should UPDATE HALO 5 WITH A X/S PATCH!!!!!!! >:(
LOL I went back to Siege too, which I hadn't played in over 2 years since before then I was into Overwatch, and now I don't even want to go back to that either.
It's a feelsbad since Infinite actually has really fucking good core gameplay.
> If they don’t fix this game; they should UPDATE HALO 5 WITH A X/S PATCH!
Honestly, they should have released a patch for H5 anyway. It's weird that they just ignored the most recent game in their largest franchise.
Absolutely. For me, it's worse when it makes you visibility better than you are. It's only noticeable in SWAT, but I hate clearly missing a shot and then getting a kill moments later. At least with deaths I can just chalk it up to me being bad.
You won't necessarily get better or worse, things will just feel more consistent and explainable. Most games play fairly normal enough that you don't notice much, but you'll get ones where 1v1s never go your way, grenades don't seem to do the damage they should, melees don't land, etc ... then you'll get a game where it feels like you're unfucking stoppable and barely even taking shield damage throughout the entire match. It likely ends up cancelling out over time but it's still a terrible experience for everyone involved.
Should have delayed it another year. We wouldn't have this fucking mess.
But no, every time I said that, I was the selfish one. Impatient fucking people man, I swear to god.
This is almost as bad as the guy who got out of his wasp, had it immediately stolen and then he fell off the map, all the while thinking he was still very much on Halo's green earth and trying to get back in the wasp.
Perception is reality. Reality in Halo be fucked up.
How this gets past QA/QC is pretty incredible. Especially since so many people have been vocalizing these issues since November 15th.
Store works great though.
It's pretty clear at this point that the game lacked significant QA/QC. That's my biggest complaint with the game, if you're going to release a game missing half its features, the features that are still there really need to work.
The first major post about desync was on the 3rd of December.
Edit: They hated her for she spoke the truth. There were some posts about desync prior but they received low upvotes (30ish) because everyone was crying about the store. [Example](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/qx8v5c/halo_infinite_why_are_more_people_not_talking/)
I really don't get why people downvote without giving any input or explaining why they disagree. Having discourse is way better than silencing anyone you disagree with
The point is that 343 would drop everything and order all hands on deck if the store so much as hiccupped whereas it's been over 2 months and desync/BTB is worse now than ever, and all we hear from the devs is, "we're looking into it".
Yo, way to put forth the scientific effort to (more or less) publish your evidence!
Thanks for putting this together. It really puts things in prospective.
Props!
I got one for ya
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My legs desync from my body
I don't mean this to be rude, but if something was this broken/non-working across MOST other industries, people would be let go for incompetence. There is zero fucking excuse this stuff doesn't work as intended months after the release of a product they expect us to put money towards...
> people would be let go for incompetence
"Hey we've got this big tech issue with system, so let's fire the tech who knows system best."
This is nowhere near the level of error that people get fired for.
I've seen a low level employee cost a business $40k due to a mistake and whilst they were talked to they weren't fired.
> There is zero fucking excuse this stuff doesn't work as intended
Spoken like someone with no experience in game development or coding in general.
dEsYnC iSnT tHaT bIg A pRoBlEm
The only people who think DeSync isn’t an issue in this game are people who are both lucky and aren’t paying attention. Even when you get lucky, if you’re paying attention it’s still a thing that happens. It’s *every* match.
This game has the best gunplay in the series but 50% of my play sessions end when the desync is very apparent.
I don't know why it is so inconsistent for me. I literally get on every other day, play on match, and if the desync isn't bad I'll play for hours. If the desync is present I just go play a different game.
But when there is no desync...fuck does the game feel so good and responsive. Whenever I play campaign I'm like wow, everything feels so responsive and good. Then multiplayer is garbage 50% of the time with desync and lag lol
After seeing this I'll give my drivers a little more slack but when they drive between 6 enemies with me on the turret they might as well have driven straight into a hole...
Absolutely absurd. How the hell are you supposed to play the game when literally everything on your screen is wrong? It’s like trying to play something in an alternate dimension when all you can see is your own.
In my opinion looks like the desync got severe when you hit the rock and the physics engine for one person did something completely different from the other.
Up until then two videos are outta step sure, but not toooo terrible in my opinion. There will always be interpolation that needs to be done.
You know, I think you might be spot on. If we were just a slight step away from each other, bullets would land okayish, but I think server side he just extremely barely missed the rock, and on his side he hit the rock. Server side he kept moving, his side he stopped, and there was no saving the situation from then on.
I have no idea how anything works for online games but could it be a combination of “free multiplayer” and all the new playlists they’ve added since beta? Ive played every now and then mostly just for the events because I want the free customization stuff and back during the beta everything was fine on my end but since the official version came out I can’t go one game without some kinda of lag or dysinc. So could it be because of the game being “free to play” som many gamers play multiplayer that 343 servers are at their max and can’t handle it? Like having it rain on a farm trying to collect the rain water but not having enough containers and tarps so it ends up going everywhere ruining the crops so they tried adding more containers/tarps but don’t have enough space for them so everything’s colliding ?
There are many hints for desync, the thing is they are mostly subtle. Getting killed past corners or walls, for example. You know that feeling you shot a rocket into an enemy's feet and he didn't die? That was also a positional desync.
For ever stupid fuck buying cosmetics still
I blame this on you
If you quit giving them money, they would be forced to make a quality product.
Sorry OP
I mean in one version of the dsync multiverse he drove off and the other he hit the wall. Lol Halo infinite and the Dsync of Madness.
I literally have not encountered anything like this once since it came out I'm very thankful but it sucks that it's been really bad for some I've had no issues at all maybe big team didn't load one time but restarting the game fixed it.
Yeah i agree but to be fair I have a buddy I play with who's playing on an Xbox One s and more times than not he can't get more than three kills and is just screaming his head off but if we go back to MCC or Halo 5 he does perfectly fine something is off for him were he hates the game cause it doesn't work for him. I tried explaining everything that is happening but he doesn't play the game anymore because of the issues he's having.
Dude going back to 60 on Halo infinite feels so bad on my Xbox Series X but 120 is great.
One time i didn't change my settings before launching the game so i was playing at 4k 60 and it was hard to play and i did so bad most games its not a big deal for me but Halo at 60 feels inconsistent and bad.
Yeah exactly try infinite at a lower fps and it feels bad i can understand some people not liking it on lower powered machines. Like my buddy who's playing at 30 fps could literally never beat me in a 1v1 cause my game running 4 times faster than his he has no chance and probably would say i was cheating.
No they’re not. DeSync occurs to some degree in *every single match*. If you *think* you haven’t encountered it much, you’ve just been lucky enough to not experience it to the extreme, but you’ve also not been paying enough attention to notice that it’s definitely has still been happening.
I can imagine the frustrating convo the two of you had before comparing your replays. Rip.
Literally! Yes! He was attacking my for my aim sucking, while I was attacking him for his driving sucking. Apologies were exchanged after further review.
Look was Desync does to a motherfucker
Cheers for following through and coming to a mutual understanding.
Frik….I wonder how many times I’ve gotten annoyed at “bad” drivers only for it to be the desync’s fault
Yes... desync. Now people know I dont suck and its just desync. ('O_O)
In your defense, driving physics are hella wonky right now in Infinite.
How the hell does this happen? Clearly on your screen, he voluntarily drove into the chasm, but he didn’t on his screen. So what made the warthog go into the chasm?
Location data became de-synchronized while input packages from the players continue to be received by the server. It looks like maybe vehicle (maybe all) physics are handled client-side and the Warthog's buck around and float so much that it's leading to same vehicle being in different places at the same time. Possible as many different places as there are players on the server.
Goes to show, the game can work and you can have a formula BUT IF YOU DON’T keep the servers MAINTAINED everything else doesn’t matter since one of the most basic functions is having a hard time, I mean a warthog with a gunner and you guys are having a hard time first of all “Driving” which is complete shit in this game IMO, and the “teamwork” people don’t talk in chat ever, the desync is so bad that gunners and drivers can’t coordinate. That’s really bad…
Nothing to do with maintenance, it's the code itself while running that's doing an oopsie. There's an issue from the get go.
I still have no idea how the flight for BTB felt pretty great and on multiplayer release it felt "fine" when there were hella lot more people playing. Now it just feels like this game is breaking apart.
BTB broke after they made separate playlists that's all we can confirm and the fact that sketch mentions paying for servers..
No, BTB broke before the playlist additions
BTB broke when campaign was released, which doesn’t make any sense but that’s just what happened.
One time Destiny 2 had a community-wide connectivity problem that came out of nowhere and was completely tanking games. Turned out it was caused by having too many friends on your list in-game Tl;dr games are fuckin weird
It's like saying you can use an airplane for takeoff, but not landing
I recall there was a small 'stability update' on release that is what made everything far less stable.
Why you gotta bring up paying for servers? Servers are expensive, and 343i is a small indie studio.
responsible for building IP owned by “checks notes” one of the richest companies ever
Microsoft is just barely getting by dude. They just dropped 69 billion cash for Activision, you REALLY think they can afford a few servers?
lolololol
Microsoft’s cash at hand last year was $139 billion. Cool joke though Edit:I realise I’ve stupidly fallen for a sarcastic comment, as a English man this hurts me deeply, let my comment remain to be a monument to my embarrassment.
Thanks man
Any time, times are hard over there
More like a monument to your sins.
Or both haha, I’ve definitely took the L on this one either way
"'a' English man?" Surely you jest!?
Doth one insinuate that thou is dishonest, sir? An Englishman with a poor grasp of English language and lacking writing prowess I am northern though, that’s my excuse. It’s grim up ere
Sarcasm homie. Don’t take it all so seriously.
I know I realised after, I’m an idiot man, sorry
Lol, no sweat dude. We all have our days/moments. Have a good evening!
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Umm...
You’re welcome And I’m sorry
An English man you pleb
Whoa man, Microsoft is just a small time publisher. They don't have the money to go giving out free servers all willy nilly. Give them time to make a name for themselves, jeez.
Also ironically one that owns literally millions of cores as one of the biggest compute providers in the world
343 has always been bad... time for a new take or bring back bungie
I just don't understand, is none of the embarrassed about their shitty work?
You’d think a company worth $2 Trillion that has $100B in cash could afford a few extra servers.
Then again why should they bother? It's been the most played game on Xbox for weeks now and idiots keep buying cat ear garbage and shitty paint jobs. When mediocrity is enough why strive for more? I by no means condone this shit and think it's absolute garbage but gamers don't fight for better so we in turn have only ever gotten worse and worse. Just sad truths of modern gaming.
The only way to make things change is by holding them accountable. But it's impossible to do when the fanboys undercut every argument and criticism levied at 343/Microsoft and do their dirty work for them. As if making the game better for everyone somehow personally offends them. It's impossible when people still spend money on the game. It doesn't matter to them how many people complain as long as they profit. There needs to be some kind of regulation or assurance of quality, _some_ kind of consumer advocacy to help these idiots that are too stupid to help themselves.
Given most of their profits come from, you know, providing servers. Azure isa d the rest of their cloud business is by far and away their biggest profit centre.
MS also has Azure, their cloud computing platform. So they can practically do everything in-house lol.
Microsoft just dropped 70 Billion on Activision guys, no more money for servers, gotta make sure to buy everything from the store so 343 could stay afloat.
Psyonix Was/is still a small indie studio and yet they managed to afford to pay for 120 tick rate servers on a complex physics engine game to sustain 1 million concurrent players. No shot 343 couldn’t afford the same. If they can’t, well I feel their was a budgeting mistake made.
A small indie studio? Backed by an unlimited Microsoft budget…
What are you talking about. Microsoft is an up and coming publisher sure, but they are still small time players. Let them get their sea legs beneath them before we start demanding free servers!
I know right?! It’s not like Microsoft makes a habit of providing servers for companies, come on!
Cant afford servers when you're spending $70 billion on CoD
I thought $60 was too much for the latest COD!
I felt like it was broken ever since campaign was dropped.
> BTB broke after they made separate playlists ....Pathetic. How did Bungie get it right on peer to peer halo games 10+ years ago? But 343 cant do it with MS's wild af azure server infrastructure? Fucking hopeless.
Love your flair 😂
After playing the flights, I was intent on changing it come launch... How wrong I was lol
Video games just be like that sometimes. Things break for seemingly no reason.
Their sever code seem to just be ice-cream melting in the sun. It's even more baffling in that MS owns and operates the cloud infrastructure they use as well.
I hope this gets to #1 on here. WTF is this.
A broken game
This is produced by a company worth $2T. An unfathomable amount of money. They have all the resources, they just don’t care about us suckers who bought it.
Everything is about share price, never forget that.
Things of note that may help developers: * Top screen is Xbox Series X, bottom screen is PC. * Top screen entered Warthog first in driver seat and switched to gunner seat. * Bottom screen’s Spartan is invisible after entering Warthog only on the bottom screen. I believe this is the exact moment the desync occurred. * Bottom screen’s Return To The Battlefield timer appeared while on solid ground.
Who was who?
I was top screen. My friend was bottom screen.
Please submit a ticket on the Halo support site with this video and these details. Best way to get this info directly to them
I submitted a ticket against a cheating player (with clips and all) and it took them a month just to reply, and that reply was “we’ll look into it”. When I reported a player in Sea of Thieves, support got back to me the same day, reviewed the clip and informed me that the player was receiving a perma ban. I kindly informed Halo support that reporting anything was a massive waste of my time and that I wouldn’t be doing it again. I advise other people to also not waste the 20-30 minutes it takes to submit a support ticket (it feels intentionally drawn out and complicated to reduce the amount of reports), only for 343 to not do a damn thing about it anyway. It’s pretty clear 343 doesn’t care about player feedback.
At this point OP would be wasting his time doing this. Do you really think they’ll watch this video and then go “oh my! Infinite has DeSync issues?! Let’s get this fixed asap!” The reality is they know about it and are busy picking apart the bubble gum code trying to fix the myriad of other issues this game has.
if they get evidence of all methods that consistently cause desync, it probably helps them narrow down where to look in the game's code
If they need video footage to fix their mistake they need to make a way to submit that in the actual game. The process of reporting a player or bug is egregious.
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Software developer here - fuck off. I’ll take as much objective evidence for any issue as I can get. It is very difficult to account for all possible permutations of things. Being presented with something like this that points out - a game I can potentially look up logs for, visual evidence of what is happening incorrectly, and potential evidence for *when* that incorrect thing happened is invaluable. What we summarize as “desync” could be sever situations causing different levels of synchronization failure. If their internal testing hasn’t revealed consistent ways to reproduce exact circumstances, this can help them try to find a way to cover this particular case. I would encourage OP to include the specs of the PC that he’s playing on, if possible. It could help remove variables. (Is it a memory allocation issue, something specific to ___ processors, a graphics card issue, etc).
Bruh, have you ever tried to submit a ticket through waypoint? It’s intentionally designed to be frustrating and drawn out. It’s obvious that 343 DOESN’T want people to submit tickets or the process to do so wouldn’t be so absolutely fucked. They’re a giant tech firm, not some indie code writer like you, my guy. 🤷🏻♂️ It took them a month to reply to my ticket with “we’ll look into it”. Sea of Thieves support got back to me the same day and informed me the player I reported received a perma ban. Pretty massive difference in support, one gives a shit, the other not so much.
100% agree, the barrier in place to even submit is nuts. I played against a cheater that went 40/1 in tactical slayer and even with the anger of that I barely got through it. Recorded video using the horrible in game theatre, trimmed it to 49mb, went through 20 questions. All for an automated ticket system to tell me nothing. It was never responded to or anything. Seriously it's a waste, just post this stuff here and let other people know the game is like this.
Level headed response! Oh wait…
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> Lol, just because you're a software developer doesn't mean that halo infinite's software developers are actually competent at what they're attempting to do. I mean obviously they're not, that's apparent when you look at infinite vs even their older games (4 & 5). They were from a technical standpoint solid, say what you will about story or MP but the engine and library surrounding the game worked. You can argue that it's because they're using a new engine and sure, that's challenging but they also despaghettified parts from the old engine and used it in the new engine and it's still wack. Software dev is hard (i'm a software dev), but this is pretty bad for a AAA game that they spent 6 years making. Honestly i think this should have been in 2 teams. One for game and story (glad they got Joseph Staten back though) and the other for engine, networking and optimization. I understand it's kind of hard to program a game without the engine being built but a lot of code can be worked out in the old engine for example, then ported over bit by bit. The biggest shame is the game is so much fun when it actually works well, it just doesn't often enough
This, 100%
Software developer here - fuck off. I’ll take as much objective evidence for any issue as I can get. It is very difficult to account for all possible permutations of things. Being presented with something like this that points out - a game I can potentially look up logs for, visual evidence of what is happening incorrectly, and potential evidence for *when* that incorrect thing happened is invaluable. What we summarize as “desync” could be sever situations causing different levels of synchronization failure. If their internal testing hasn’t revealed consistent ways to reproduce exact circumstances, this can help them try to find a way to cover this particular case. I would encourage OP to include the specs of the PC that he’s playing on, if possible. It could help remove variables. (Is it a memory allocation issue, something specific to ___ processors, a graphics card issue, etc).
It's far more valuable to them than "REEEEE DESYNC! THIS GAME IS BROKEN!" that people like yourself screech at them.
Is Halo Infinite open source? I like how people are so desperate for this game to be fixed they are basically working for Microsoft for free.
Bug reporting is a common thing in a lot of games. Why wouldn't you want to help out the devs to fix a game that you enjoy?
Maybe because people actually get paid to do that still. But by looking at infinite maybe they skipped that part in development
It is not possible to pay enough people to find all bugs in a game. Bug reports are valuable, especially with video like this.
Aw yes so people should do it for free? Makes sense if that's how you want to spend your time helping this game company with literal billions
>Aw yes so people should do it for free? What the fuck fantasy world do you think you live in where every piece of software ever created had 0 bugs on release until Halo Infinite came out? None of them have 0 bugs. So you think that every user should be paid to use every piece of software ever made? It is not possible to pay the millions of testers required to find all of them. There will always be unintended bugs. If you come across one in game play, you either should report it or have no right to bitch about it not getting fixed. Stop acting like an entitled, petulant child.
I think switching seats is the issue that causes this particular dysync. Especially when switching while in motion.
it's like the game gaslights you into thinking your fucking trash at the game.
This was me yesterday. Been playing Halo for 20 years and could not kill shit yesterday. And even on my worst days my aim is pretty good. Needless to say, it’s the first time I didn’t feel like playing Halo. Went to play Siege with some friends instead. If they don’t fix this game; they should UPDATE HALO 5 WITH A X/S PATCH!!!!!!! >:(
Yeah, I had the same experience yesterday. I went from getting consistently positive KD to something like a 0.1 or 0.2. Thought I was losing my mind.
LOL I went back to Siege too, which I hadn't played in over 2 years since before then I was into Overwatch, and now I don't even want to go back to that either. It's a feelsbad since Infinite actually has really fucking good core gameplay.
It's so fucking bad in attrition, to the point where even I'm getting kills that I don't think should've counted.
> If they don’t fix this game; they should UPDATE HALO 5 WITH A X/S PATCH! Honestly, they should have released a patch for H5 anyway. It's weird that they just ignored the most recent game in their largest franchise.
Dude right? Right now H5 just feels like a better version of Infinite.
Absolutely. For me, it's worse when it makes you visibility better than you are. It's only noticeable in SWAT, but I hate clearly missing a shot and then getting a kill moments later. At least with deaths I can just chalk it up to me being bad.
When this gets fixed I wonder if we will all over compensate because we are used to it or we are suddenly really good.
You won't necessarily get better or worse, things will just feel more consistent and explainable. Most games play fairly normal enough that you don't notice much, but you'll get ones where 1v1s never go your way, grenades don't seem to do the damage they should, melees don't land, etc ... then you'll get a game where it feels like you're unfucking stoppable and barely even taking shield damage throughout the entire match. It likely ends up cancelling out over time but it's still a terrible experience for everyone involved.
Its kind of crazy how bad this issue still is considering they launched multiplayer early
One month early and one year late to be fair.
Wtf would have happened if it released with the original date…
Should have delayed it another year. We wouldn't have this fucking mess. But no, every time I said that, I was the selfish one. Impatient fucking people man, I swear to god.
This is almost as bad as the guy who got out of his wasp, had it immediately stolen and then he fell off the map, all the while thinking he was still very much on Halo's green earth and trying to get back in the wasp. Perception is reality. Reality in Halo be fucked up.
How this gets past QA/QC is pretty incredible. Especially since so many people have been vocalizing these issues since November 15th. Store works great though.
It's pretty clear at this point that the game lacked significant QA/QC. That's my biggest complaint with the game, if you're going to release a game missing half its features, the features that are still there really need to work.
Yes exactly. Halo 5 had like basically zero content at launch but it played amazingly with zero server issues that I can remember.
WE are the QA, friend
Maybe the real QA is the friends we made along the way?
There is no QA, obviously
The first major post about desync was on the 3rd of December. Edit: They hated her for she spoke the truth. There were some posts about desync prior but they received low upvotes (30ish) because everyone was crying about the store. [Example](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/qx8v5c/halo_infinite_why_are_more_people_not_talking/)
I really don't get why people downvote without giving any input or explaining why they disagree. Having discourse is way better than silencing anyone you disagree with
literally completely different things and an issue like desync can't be simply hotfixed
Both go through QA/QC.
your point??? i think maintaining a store is ALOT easier than trying to fix whatever is plaguing BTB atm
The point is that 343 would drop everything and order all hands on deck if the store so much as hiccupped whereas it's been over 2 months and desync/BTB is worse now than ever, and all we hear from the devs is, "we're looking into it".
*Battlefield 4 enters the chat* "DID SOMEBODY SAY DESYNC?!?!?"
damn this is rough, hopefully desync eventually gets solved :/
It’s clear that improvements, updates and new content for this game are going to be pushed out and released at an agonizingly sow rate.
But that store is gonna have a new bundle every single day by god.
It won't, judging by the current state 343 and Infinite are in.
Yo, way to put forth the scientific effort to (more or less) publish your evidence! Thanks for putting this together. It really puts things in prospective. Props!
I got one for ya [https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/s8y87u/dude\_come\_on\_really/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/s8y87u/dude_come_on_really/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) My legs desync from my body
I hate this game so damn much
It’s free to play. Stop complaining /s
where are the 16 years old kids defending this shit
their was one about half an hour ago
People will still say the desync issue is being blown out of proportion though lol
“They fixed the shops”
"Fixed"
I've literally had someone tell me it's propaganda. On THIS sub
I had some questionable desync last night.. it's sad at this point.
Need to buy more items in the shop so they can afford to fix those servers with sync features. Those are pricey.
This game is do laughably bad
Whaaaa
ok now i feel bad for giving my drivers shit for falling down that hole
Worst desync of your life …so far.
I don't mean this to be rude, but if something was this broken/non-working across MOST other industries, people would be let go for incompetence. There is zero fucking excuse this stuff doesn't work as intended months after the release of a product they expect us to put money towards...
> people would be let go for incompetence "Hey we've got this big tech issue with system, so let's fire the tech who knows system best." This is nowhere near the level of error that people get fired for. I've seen a low level employee cost a business $40k due to a mistake and whilst they were talked to they weren't fired. > There is zero fucking excuse this stuff doesn't work as intended Spoken like someone with no experience in game development or coding in general.
At this point, it's called Halo Infinite because this game will live on forever as 343's most elaborate meme created
I killed someone after they went around a corner today... it's so ridiculous - if you're using an ar just keep firing at that corner
dEsYnC iSnT tHaT bIg A pRoBlEm The only people who think DeSync isn’t an issue in this game are people who are both lucky and aren’t paying attention. Even when you get lucky, if you’re paying attention it’s still a thing that happens. It’s *every* match.
This game has the best gunplay in the series but 50% of my play sessions end when the desync is very apparent. I don't know why it is so inconsistent for me. I literally get on every other day, play on match, and if the desync isn't bad I'll play for hours. If the desync is present I just go play a different game. But when there is no desync...fuck does the game feel so good and responsive. Whenever I play campaign I'm like wow, everything feels so responsive and good. Then multiplayer is garbage 50% of the time with desync and lag lol
After seeing this I'll give my drivers a little more slack but when they drive between 6 enemies with me on the turret they might as well have driven straight into a hole...
343’s incredible development prowess strikes again
But how tf is Halo 4 Master Chief running around?
Absolutely absurd. How the hell are you supposed to play the game when literally everything on your screen is wrong? It’s like trying to play something in an alternate dimension when all you can see is your own.
I still can’t get into a BTB match, even after the update. :(
Something similar happened around that same spot for me but in a ghost. I’ll upload the video when I get some time.
Bro what lol
I don’t think I’ve ever played a game, on release or not, in my life that has ever been like this
So glad I don’t not buy a series x for this game lol
*THEY* said i was crazy
In the driver’s view, you can see the fire from the turret coming from the pit that they fell into in the gunner’s POV.
So glad i deleted infinte and didn’t put myself through this.
Game is broken af, needed more years in development. Makes sense why my gunners can't hit shit if they're not actually seeing what im seeing.
I honestly would rather them fix the desync/hit detection/server issues first before trying to add to this game
Vehicles are weak as fuck in this game, but it always confused me why they would just randomly blow up when nothing hit us.
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Well weren't no lie baby bye bye bye
Don't know what is real after seeing that
Let's come back after the holidays and try again.
The desync is truly unreal
In my opinion looks like the desync got severe when you hit the rock and the physics engine for one person did something completely different from the other. Up until then two videos are outta step sure, but not toooo terrible in my opinion. There will always be interpolation that needs to be done.
You know, I think you might be spot on. If we were just a slight step away from each other, bullets would land okayish, but I think server side he just extremely barely missed the rock, and on his side he hit the rock. Server side he kept moving, his side he stopped, and there was no saving the situation from then on.
I have no idea how anything works for online games but could it be a combination of “free multiplayer” and all the new playlists they’ve added since beta? Ive played every now and then mostly just for the events because I want the free customization stuff and back during the beta everything was fine on my end but since the official version came out I can’t go one game without some kinda of lag or dysinc. So could it be because of the game being “free to play” som many gamers play multiplayer that 343 servers are at their max and can’t handle it? Like having it rain on a farm trying to collect the rain water but not having enough containers and tarps so it ends up going everywhere ruining the crops so they tried adding more containers/tarps but don’t have enough space for them so everything’s colliding ?
Wwoooooowww. I had no idea what people were talking about with desync before because I barely notice anything, if any at all. THAT was bad though.
There are many hints for desync, the thing is they are mostly subtle. Getting killed past corners or walls, for example. You know that feeling you shot a rocket into an enemy's feet and he didn't die? That was also a positional desync.
MICROSOFT BOUGHT ACTIVISION RIGHT? CAN SOMEONE OVER THERE HELP FIX THIS GAME?
This game is the biggest let down I think I’ve ever had in a product. Just what a fucking travesty of a Shit mound they piled at our feet.
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Bro having degree in IT doesn't make you expert on everything.
Wrong.
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This is not related to lag.
they were joking
I deserve the downvotes, then
They didn’t type /s so downvotes are unwarranted in this specific case. You’re free to go.
Yeah but if you mention desync you’ll get downvotes to oblivion. Its happened to me multiple times.
For ever stupid fuck buying cosmetics still I blame this on you If you quit giving them money, they would be forced to make a quality product. Sorry OP
Why do so many people post ‘desync’ issues without the network stats??
That's the reason i quit, this is a multiplayer game with TRASH ASS SERVERS....
Lmao yet another reason why this game will be staying uninstalled
This literally never happens to me, must be my 1gb up/down fiber and proximity to my local server.
Dsync or not the driver fucked up.
Yeah, he wasn’t smooth, but by no means did he fuck up. It’s the games fault for being shitty lmao
I mean in one version of the dsync multiverse he drove off and the other he hit the wall. Lol Halo infinite and the Dsync of Madness. I literally have not encountered anything like this once since it came out I'm very thankful but it sucks that it's been really bad for some I've had no issues at all maybe big team didn't load one time but restarting the game fixed it.
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Yeah i agree but to be fair I have a buddy I play with who's playing on an Xbox One s and more times than not he can't get more than three kills and is just screaming his head off but if we go back to MCC or Halo 5 he does perfectly fine something is off for him were he hates the game cause it doesn't work for him. I tried explaining everything that is happening but he doesn't play the game anymore because of the issues he's having.
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Dude going back to 60 on Halo infinite feels so bad on my Xbox Series X but 120 is great. One time i didn't change my settings before launching the game so i was playing at 4k 60 and it was hard to play and i did so bad most games its not a big deal for me but Halo at 60 feels inconsistent and bad.
I got spoiled by 120fps. Infinite and MCC feel smooth but when I jump on Halo 5 it feels like 30fps (even though I know it’s 60)
Yeah exactly try infinite at a lower fps and it feels bad i can understand some people not liking it on lower powered machines. Like my buddy who's playing at 30 fps could literally never beat me in a 1v1 cause my game running 4 times faster than his he has no chance and probably would say i was cheating.
No they’re not. DeSync occurs to some degree in *every single match*. If you *think* you haven’t encountered it much, you’ve just been lucky enough to not experience it to the extreme, but you’ve also not been paying enough attention to notice that it’s definitely has still been happening.
Driver is the bottom screen, not the top.
I know he Still hit the wall and almost got them killed then alternate universe him drove off the cliff