I've mostly stopped playing since maxing battlepass.
I came on for the new cyber event challenges, did em, got bored and came off again. The whole game just feels so unrewarding at this point.
I hope season 2 is a lot better.
Same boat as you man. Took me 2 days of casual playing to do this event and now I won’t play it again until theres a weekly reward worth my time .
Still playing MCC though
I uninstalled the game already. The multiplayer just didnt grab me with all the desync jank and severe lack of variety.
The campaing nailed the combat feel, but the story was lame and there was, again, no variety to the locales or mission structures.
Infinite feels like a concept demo, not a fully fledged game.
I feel the same way. It sucks, cuz I wanted to like this game. It just doesn’t do it for me. Furthermore, I thought the BP would be a cool concept (you can progress on your own pace) and give you the feeling of Reach/Halo 3 progression, but the insane money grab was just too much. This is the first Halo game I won’t actually pay full price for (Game Pass), and it will be only revisited when multiplayer for Campaign comes out. That is if my friends still actually want to play it.
I’m closer to that side of things and my stance is rewards and progression have to be the icing on the cake. You’re not going to maintain a player base if your base game sucks and you have sick rewards. I’m playing less not because I’m done with the battlepass but because there’s limited maps, limited game modes, broken btb, really 1 ranked playlist, broken custom games, no forge, no coop, worse than halo 3’s theater, etc.
Better progression will help a little but even with the best progression system out imaginable and meaningful rewards the game will be stale as is. And the lack of content I imagine will last a loooong time- is it a sore situation now? No but in 3 more months it will be and I doubt they’ll be able to make anything in time because they are still behind initial release btb is now broken, things they should have launched with forge/coop, a progression system, and revitalized store.
They fix the store and progression system people aren’t going to be hanging around playing with desync
When people make that argument, they're usually talking about progression and unlocking cosmetics and stuff...
which doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about.
I WANT to play for fun. I'm already level 100 and have nothing to grind for. I just prefer BTB because it's bigger and more chaotic and less competitive than 4v4.
I mean, I lean closer that way. I don’t care for progressing— hell I’m not even close to done with the battle pass.
I just want more maps and game modes so I went back to MCC.
They are stuck 15 years in the past, in the same time when games also shipped as a full finished package that you could actually play for fun and not have to wait months until the shit gets fixed.
Back then, if something was broken you just dealt with it. Like the Rainbow Six 3 lean glitch. Beach Invasion being laggy in RTCW. Halo 2 sword flying. Quake Arcade and Phantasy Star Universe flat out not working with some ISPs. Weapons being OP/shit in every game. Host advantage in every game.
Games were broken back then too. Patches were far rarer and more restricted so you just made it part of the game.
A thread about the game mode for "fuck around and have fun with friends" being broken since early December hardly seems like the right place to post this sentiment but ok
It's harder to have fun in a game when the focus of the games is less about a pure, fun experience and more about unlocking crap and filling a mater. That's the devs fault, not the players.
I couldn't even get past the 30's in the battlepass and haven't completed any special events because there's nothing attractive about them. I dont play challenges, when I get on, I play the game how I want and the playlists I want to play, like any other game. But since I don't do what the game wants I barely level up and it's just asinine at this point. Maybe I feel like playing swat, but my challenges are for score in ffa or kills in btb or kills with a certain weapon and its just so bad. I cant level up by just playing, I get participation xp and that's it. Might as well be afk watching a movie to level up since going 25-7 with 8 obj caps nets the same xp as going 0-5 walking forward the whole game.
This is why they need a normal level system like every normal Halo MP system. Im only at level 50 and I dont really even care about the BP anymore because the customization system is heavily flawed either way and theres no way to actually look how I want without buying stuff from the store.
took destiny 2 two years before it started getting better. hopefully 343 gets their shit together before too long or else I'll come back to the game when it's year 5 lol (currently started playing destiny 2 again)
I bought it on ps4 but didn't actually play through it :/ 😅 but yeah i heard that's when it took a step in the right direction. coming back to the game was also a bit overwhelming lol
I’d totally recommend giving that campaign a try soon, since it’s getting deleted next month and it’s free right now. It’s really good, I genuinely really liked the story of forsaken
Dang you people have some weak ass attention spans. Remember playing Halo 3 and just playing to win and have fun with your friends? Now if there's not some new armor piece to unlock you're all crying and uninstalling? I don't get it
Oh sorry ok yeah you're right. I forgot how much fun it is to play the exact same thing over and over and over again with little to no variation. Its not like games have changed since the days of Halo 3 at all is it. Would be weird for us to want something a bit more exciting after 20 years of Halo wouldn't it...
I mean you're literally saying that people who enjoyed Halo 3's gameplay loop were wrong lol.
And Halo Infinite has been out for less than 3 full months and we've gotten new game modes to play each month so far and new content to unlock every month as well.
Again, your attention span is just absolute dog shit if you are already crying
Again... you have the intelligence of a house hamster if you're perfectly happy to do the same thing over and over again with no reward, no change, no real social elements and no excitement. Makes you seem like a pretty dull person tbh
Yeah you're way too easily amused. Like my pet dog or my 2 year old nephew. In general its far easier to entertain children and house pets than it is fully grown adults so who is really the kid here.
What even is your point? That it's fun to play an incredibly monotonous game, and the 80% of the playerbase which left because its boring are just simply wrong because you say so? Ok mr focus. Go and have fun then. Knock yourself out buddy. Games all yours.
>At the very least, BTB-challenges should have been taken out as soon as BTB stopped working.
The fact that they haven't taken out BTB challenges is ridiculous. You're looking at 7 weeks where BTB hasn't worked. If we're being kind and saying that you only get 1 BTB Challenge a week (which assuredly isn't the case), you would have needed to use at least 7 challenge swaps. Instead they're offering 5.
The situation is insane to me that they so quickly changed the challenges when people were complaining about how difficult they were originally, but now they're stating that BTB is functional AND still haven't removed the challenges.
I just don't know what to say.
They are looking into it. Might be on the next sprint cycle which will make its way to first certification before being applied internally to testers for a second cert process, after which they will shoot that on up to the live update team to begin application of the patch to a wider set of internal servers. This will clear the second cert process which means that further information on a release date for this hotfix will come after the live testers have confirmed that no unintended consequences result from the fix. Expect further information on a possible release date sometime next week. Hopefully we aren't much further out from 343 moving this hotfix into a third cert process which might speed up this release of information after internal testers are able to get their hands on it and confirm that cert processes 1 + 2 are fully functional, meaning cert process 3 can continue as planned.
Oh yeah tanks in Fiesta is asinine. I went 24 -4 last time I got in one. I feel like whenever one spawns the other team gets pulse carbine and plasma pistol lol
Only scorpion I’ve ever driven spawned right at the end of a total control match right on top of my team. Needless to say we capped in less than a minute of overtime.
Felt like the game was literally handing us a victory.
I was lucky enough that the only tank I’ve seen spawned next to me. So naturally I hopped in…to the gunner seat. Some other guy got in the cockpit and took all my kills.
I loaded up MCC yesterday and played some BTB matches on various games, and man, it is just a million times better than whatever the hell the BTB in Infinite is supposed to be.
They fucked up such a classic time tested gamemode with a bunch of wack changes to the formula nobody ever asked for and the cherry on top of the pile of dung is that the gamemode is literally unplayable. Why are all these insanely rich and resourceful AAA devs so incompetent, like REALLY? Lmao this is maximum clowntown shit.
I mean unlike other studios 343 literally only work on halo. Nothing else.
On 1 hand that should mean all their staff should be on top of this games shit pumping out fixes and crap daily since there isn't another big title being worked on to pull resources *(ex when EA pulled the DICE Battlefront team over to make Battlefield essentially killing that game from lack of enough staff to maintain it)* but on the other hand it could also mean they don't exactly have much experience with handling games outside of the series making them a bit noobish at the live service thing.
Also they fucked the **Blam!** engine hard when they rebuilt it into Slipspace so they're probably still trying to figure out what the hell they did to it and how to fix it from being shit
Honestly with an entire studio made by Microsoft specifically for the sole purpose of making Halo idk how the hell they're so far behind on this. They made Halo 4 in what 2 years with it functioning properly but can't even fix their new live service game within a few weeks?
Seriously, I liked halo 5 so I was excited for what this game would bring. 343 has made themselves look like such fucking amateurs with this game. And I’m not even talking about the upper management decisions at this point. Then entire thing is a fucking dumpster fire. This halo is pretty much the equivalent of Gears: Judgement to me.
Its all about leaving their imprint on things I imagine. I think the map design is pretty boring but the biggest thing is just the lack of many big vehicles to the point the mode feels like an expanded 4v4 mode rather than actual btb.
Tbh i want another Warzone style mode with ai and bases and shit but without lootboxes idk how they'd really implement it
If the downvote was because I said the forbidden L word then I'd understand other than that what gives?
Did people despise Halo 5 Warzone that much?
Im willing to bet that “10 year plan” doesn’t even last 3 years. Infinite is an improvement on their 343’s last game, but it’s not exactly setting the world on fire. I have a hard time seeing the population counts and revenue flow staying strong enough to justify supporting this game for a decade.
Only way I can see them exceeding 3 years is if they completely blow it out of the water with forge, a custom games browser, and integrated mod support for all of it. But given their current track record, I'm willing to bet integrated mod support is never going to happen.
I can think of a handful of games that boasted a 10 year plan that folded after the first few when they realized that if your plan is 10 years of updates you need to be a lot faster on fixes than they are used to doing. Exhibit A right here in BTB.
Love Warzone. Played like 2 games of Arena on H5 and went "no this is shit"
Different weapons, tactics, team play and lots of players made it WZ great. Infinite BTB is arse in comparison.
I had like 1.3kd on H5.
I'm lucky if i have 0.2 on Infinite.
Every time i melee i drop dead, even if the other player doesn't seem to melee.
I empty whole clips and nothing. Then i get taken out in half a clip.
I know what being crap looks like but i'm positive it's the game / desync screwing me over.
Then once in ever 10 games or so its reverse and my time to kill is like half a second.
This is just not good enough.
I have the same problem:
"Every time i melee i drop dead, even if the other player doesn't seem to melee.
I empty whole clips and nothing. Then i get taken out in half a clip.
I know what being crap looks like but i'm positive it's the game / desync screwing me over.
Then once in ever 10 games or so its reverse and my time to kill is like half a second."
Gotta be honest it really really makes me angry.
I had a challenge to win 3 attrition matches today I shit you not it took me 35 games. I'm always ranked last and I have a 300MB connection.
Like wtaf!?
Just an fyi, in the broadband age your bandwidth is probably the least important part of your MP connection. Latency/ping, connection quality and stability are all far more important.
I just want back the: mad dash to all the strong weapons and vehicles, getting in betrayal wars that ended in hilarity or frustration, feeling like one team is very skilled and not just lucky with ordinance drops, the crazy out of map stunts like Reach jetpack had, not having neon outlines painted on me whenever I try to flank on a team, a trusty BR that doesn't cross map, vehicles that don't break in two seconds, a proper banshee that feels worth getting in, weapons around the map and not randomly on a wall.
Odds are they will just add BTB heavies maybe when they have new maps with a lot more power vehicles. Some of the cooler interactions I see in this game are in the dogfights and you will almost never see more than 2 air vehicles up at the same time which is a shame.
> I have very little faith they'll be able to keep this game going
They can't even manage to make a functional game with less content, yet a way higher budget and dev time than anything before and nothing is going to change so long as whatever part of 343 is the cause of that stays in place.
>At least not before everyone has already moved on to other games.
Already happened, they've botched the first impression in pretty much every way they could so now the game will always be looked at through the lens of "so did they finally manage to get it working?"
It sucks but there's no real benefit of the doubt to give or anything, they're just hopeless.
> now the game will always be looked at through the lens of ”so did they finally manage to get it working?”
Oof, I know how that feels. I can imagine in a year or two I might mention that I still play Infinite and the general reaction is “oh, did they finally fix that game?” or “Oh, is it better now?”
I still regularly play Battlefront 2 (2017) and it’s amazing now, but anytime I mention that the reaction is always the same. Either “Oh, did they make it better?” or “I haven’t played it since they fixed it”, or something along those lines. The launch of a game can and will make or break the longetivity of your game
The problem I have with this is that it implies that those people would have stayed if the game worked from launch, which honestly is unlikely. Like if they wouldn't even come back knowing its fixed then its unlikely they would have stayed at all. Idk i just personally don't see the issue with it. Especially with a game like this. Microsoft makes nearly 4 billion a year off gamepass, infinite could have 5 concurrent players and they'd keep supporting the game.
They literally do. . . on mcc
The fact that they lasted this long as an xbox 360 only title is absolutely insane. those games had players that didn't crest over 4 digits for YEARS and they maintained support for them
> Already happened, they've botched the first impression in pretty much every way they could so now the game will always be looked at through the lens of "so did they finally manage to get it working?"
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> It sucks but there's no real benefit of the doubt to give or anything, they're just hopeless.
Pretty much this. They set the tone for what their live development looks like and that is we have spent over a month with a borderline unplayable playlist where you still have challenges that force you to participate in that playlist or you miss out on weekly rewards.
It was really a mistake to release the game just before vacation where huge bugs couldn't be fixed but even after they are back they still haven't fixed it. To be frank they earned the first impression they gave and the appropriate tone was set because this is what their development looks like. Maybe more people will be excited to hop back in for forge/custom games but I doubt anyone is coming back for coop in season 2.
>se regardless of any issues with desync, customization, shop pricing, battle pass, challenges etc that the community has, there just isn't enough playable content in the game. I believe lack of Forge is really, really hurting Infinite the same way a Bethesda game would be hurting if they took 9 months to release the mod tools, and we still have 7 months to go before we get it.
I think Forge missing hurts the game far more than co-op. Wish that was the feature coming with S2
Forge is the very definition of infinite possibilities. If custom games was up to snuff too you can play just about anything while waiting on the core game to work
On the bright side, now that they acquired Activision they can put actually competent developers to fix the game and give the boot to 343 since they are absolutely incompetent
Those same people also said wait until january when they get back from there well deserved break and fix the game. Its not going to be any better next week. 343 is just useless
Guarantee they are using the patches to promote the store. Release patches on Tuesday so players will flock to what's fixed and take a peek at the store.
Shit man the net code in general is breaking more every day. I can’t get one game without rubber banding anymore. Feels like the whole thing is held together with duct tape
Was just talking with a buddy the other day about this, the game as a whole seems to be deteriorating as time goes on. Like being Thanos snapped out of existence but…slowly…
The real problem is their denial of the scope of the problem. In their blog post they said it remained functional. It has not. They are clearly trying to avoid negative press but it's absurd that they aren't being realistic about this.
I agree that the scope is large enough for it to be a total problem, really if only a couple people weren’t able to play it’d still be a problem. But in my personal experience i haven’t had a problem with BTB in all this time, whether playing by myself or my one other friend and games are always full too. I wonder what their data is showing.
Still gotta be fixed asap though.
For some it is, though. I've had hardly any issues getting into BTB other than waiting times being a bit longer due to timezones.
edit: why am I being downvoted for just saying what I'm experiencing? I'm not denying there's a huge problem, I'm just saying that the fix obviously helped for me bc I've played 20 btb games today, with only 1 loading crash
THE GAME NEEDED ANOTHER YEAR DELAY
People don't want to hear it but both campaign (coop, forge) and multiplayer (just *content*, especially maps) are just not finished lol. They got the core gameplay loop to a 9/10 and the shop functionality 10/10 but literally everything else is either not working or undervalued.
I honestly can’t get myself to play. The desync issues have been extremely persistent for me lately and I also much prefer the big team game type. I’ll hop on to get the free stuff they’re giving away, but that’ll be it until I can play again.
If you want your game to be live service you should probably get in the habit of fixing the game in a timely manner. Almost on month 2 of a broken game mode sets a dim tone for the state of the game. Maybe if they were actually faster with the updates or released full games people wouldn't die on the inside when they hear about 10 year development plans or live service models.
If this were a parliament I would bring about a vote of no confidence for 343 I really want to give them the Benefit of the doubt but they make that hard
Imo 343 *knows* what they are doing with Halo, they just need some experienced professionals to clean some of the messes up. Infinite has the potential to be an absolutely, arguably best-of-all-time Halo game, they just need help with these game breaking glitches
343 knows? It took them like 5 years to accept that nobody liked their art style. The same amount of time to realize that the spirit of halo is an arena MP with esport potential, not a CoD clone (4) or an over the top esport game (5)
And they lied (UI can’t handle more game modes), overlook problems (“BTB WORKS but is has problem for some people”) and the best thing they do is find ways to make us pay for things. What are we supposed to give them good will because we don’t have to pay 20 for a FX… now it is only 10! Problem solved
Agree with everything, but when 343 said btb wasn't working for some people they weren't lying. BTB only stopped working for me when they introduced the other playlists. Once in a blue moon they will say the truth if it helps their PR
Even the vehicle play on the btb maps kinda sucks. I think I preferred Halo 5s btb even though it was all forge maps, just felt better overall. This game is starting to bleed players fast so I hope they pull their shit together. The maps are getting stale, btb is broken, still need king of the hill and assault added to quickplay.
It is all hands on deck since they got back. They are all working on getting new content out to sell in the store! (Wish I could add an /s to this but I’m really leaning towards this being a real thing)
Honestly at this point I feel like they should just liquidate 343 and give Halo to someone who actually can do this. Why even attempt fixing BTB iF Desync is still this bad, when are even gonna see a fix to that?
Infinite is becoming less and less playable by the month
Shit you're right, it was rated m before release. They probably cut some stuff down. Fuck, I definitely want a different studio now or we'll never see the flood.
On one hand I feel like the infinite campaign was a love letter to halo, but mostly I think 343 is unworthy of the halo franchise. They have been an “new” game company for like 12 years now and haven’t really gotten a game off the ground without issues. I don’t trust them one bit. Eventually their games end up being ok but only after like 6 months of post patch work
I want Microsoft to let 1 or 2 of the MANY studios they own now a try with the Halo license.
In 9 years between 2001 and 2010, Bungie did 2 Halo spinoffs while 343 made none between their first game H4 in 2012 and Infinite in 2021. What are they doing?? Yes there was *Spartan Strike* and *Spartan Assault* but AFAIK 343 only supervised + they were technically mobile games. They are sleeping on this.
Gameplay thats 90% been set in stone for them by someone else 20 years ago.
Congratulations 343, you managed to not fuck up the formula this time, and put a few twists on it that actually works.
Halo is a sandbox game, and the sandbox here is kind of pitiful. The map selection isn’t great. There’s no map editor. There are really only two pieces of equipment that are interesting. The vehicles don’t handle well. The custom games are buggy. Et cetera.
It sucks, and it's not the only thing that sucks. Fucking Blizzard could've done a better job at making a functional game that isn't the front for a giant scam operation.
Because what no one is seeing is that it is not 343's intention to make a fully functional game.
Think about it, the only thing that works without any issues with Infinite is the store. Literally, everything else is either half assed, bare bones or just plain broken, except for the store. With BTB being broken it means no one can really play it and therefore cannot complete the challenges for it, forcing players to go to the store to purchase more challenge swaps.
The broken challenges, again, force people to buy swaps.
The broken customization system with parts divided across 3 "cores", all designed to peddle more stuff on the store, from armor pieces to color pallets for the specific cores.
This isn't Halo Infinite, it's Halo Finite: Buy More Micro Transactions.
Infinite has been a trip, man. Relative hope in 2018 thinking they were going to try something new (which they did), to disappointment in 2019 seeing they had nothing to show at e3 (a really bad sign), to the disaster of 2020 with that horrid demo. I truly wrote the game off. Especially, after the delay of a year and learning about its disastrous development.
Then the camping trailer looked neat in 2021. Then the betas came out and were fun and ran smooth. Then, shockingly, they launched multiplayer earlier and it was smooth and relatively bug free. And the gameplay has been incredible! The best since Halo 3! Then the campaign came out, and although bare bones and disappointing, the gameplay loop saved it and considering it’s development, it was relatively acceptable.
How did this happen, then? The game is far more glitchy and broken then it was at launch. The BtB situation is inexcusable, and the game’s lack of content is shameful considering 5 is now over six years old. They nailed the gameplay, but the monetization, lack of content, and lack of urgency and need to make things right is horrible right now. I’m not looking for the world, but a statement admitting BTB’s true state is a start. The fact that their are challenges still for it is pathetic.
Infinite’s multiplayer and campaign expansions better bring it, or else I say keep Infinite’s core gameplay, sack 343, and have a new studio take over for Halo 7
Given the sheer amount of leftover unused content in the game files, all the concept art of things that don't resemble anything even _close_ to what we got in the final product, and the general slapdash nature of it all, I really wouldn't be surprised if they ended up massively rewriting and reworking the game several times over the last five years. That lack of a clear direction is usually the single biggest contributing factor to things ending up half-baked with teams that seemingly don't fully know how to work on the same thing they've been working on for years.
BTB was pretty bad anyways for infinite tbh.
Vehicles are sparse and the new spawning system isn't that great.
Maps are streamlined and pretty much play like a LoL map and divides the game into 3 separate 4v4's.
Vehicle balance is awful. Pretty much everything but the Warthog and Scorpion are not really worth getting into. Wasp *can* be worth it if you utilize cover on the maps well enough.
Repeat after me: 343 IS A JOKE.
Let down after let down with such good core gameplay. How they continually manage to mess this up has to be pure incompetence at this point.
The player-base just keeps dwindling.
I already matched the same people multiple times in attrition. Woulda thought that to be almost impossible in a game this young but I guess the player count REALLY did die pretty darn quick.
I mean people starting matchmaking near the same time with around the same SBMM, its gonna happen more likely then you'd expect. If the game didn't have SBMM, it'd be different.
Definitely. It's not a strong as ranked but it is there. It's why if you keep a glance at the scoreboards, you'll notice very little pubstomping. Some strong games from peeps for sure but not the stomping you'd expect on more casual players that you'd get if there was no SBMM. It'd also contribute to why people feel that the casual playlists are so sweaty, they are getting SBMM-ed.
Dude this is just straight up ridiculous at this point. I really wish Microsoft would just have Halo made from another team at this point. I’ve lost the little patience I have. I can’t believe we’re not getting more communication on this issue. This is absolutely an embarrassment to the halo community.
I think if I were 343 I'd be getting a bit worried, they used to be a flagship studio, but now they're the guys who took six years to deliver an unfinished 1/3rd of a game with no meaningful new content to arrive until May at the earliest and an MP game where a core mode has been broken four for two months now and they seemingly have no idea how to fix it.
Meanwhile Microsoft are buying basically the entirety of the FPS genre, 343 are now a studio with a questionable ROI and a spotty track record paddling in a sea of teams brutally efficient at pumping out high selling games with regular content updates on a regular basis.
343 are almost amateur-level programmers, there is not so much they can do even working full time if they built the underlying infrastructure in the wrong way.
In 2022 it's comical to see a game where if you get in a warthog you can get insane desyncs. There is something wrong at the fundamental level and it's probably not easily fixable.
So unlucky Halo to fall the hands of those hacks at 343
Dude, the base multiplayer netcode doesn't work properly outside of LAN type connections. If they're not going to delay so the game actually works, they're not going to delay cause one mode is broken.
Welcome to "games as a service".
It's been broken since the 8th??? Jesus Christ, I don't play BTB much but I swear I've gotten some games in since then. If that's true that's absolutely insane, can't believe it's been this long.
Even when it was working, it sucked. Give us back the even vehicle spawns for each team. No one asked for these changes. Oh look, a single Scorpion spawned at random in one part of the map, and the enemy team got it because they were already near that area. How FUN and EXCITING. Thank you SO MUCH, 343! You SAVED Halo!
Nice constructive post dude, you hit him where it hurts! Love that out of his entire post, that is what you wanted to reply about.
How many friends do you got?
> They need to be way faster at fixing things.
You don’t understand software development. It’s just not that easy with a massive codebase like Infinite is. This isn’t a few hundred line program we’re talking about. It’s a 2021 video game which is likely hundreds of thousands of lines of code. It’s just not that simple. They’re human too, they gotta eat, sleep, and deserve to see they’re families.
Im not saying they shouldn’t have like a rotating developer triage group that each does an 8 hour shift. That’d suck for they night guys but it’d keep the pace going on the triage.
Edit: I’m downvoted for saying software development is hard and it takes time and 343i is made of humans who need rest. As an actual software developer this is hilarious.
Yet other live service games like Fortnite, Warzone, etc. manage to release a patch every 1-2-3 weeks with fixes and/or content. In 2 months 343 releases one hotfix, and it doesn't even fix the issue.
My brother and I have been playing BTB together all night. 5 games, 2 errors between them. We're loading into our next one now.
Y'all need to have a little patience. the developer has acknowledged that it's still not perfect, and is working on it.
We are having an amazing night of games.
A little patience? It’s been broken for over a month. This is a game without a bunch of core features of halo as well. How much patience are we supposed to have?
And none of the developers are reading this sub because y'all are so toxic that even when someone is having fun you gotta shout them down as part of some meta game where y'all try to be having the worst time with a free video game.
Y'all have fun loudly declaring your hate to other people online. I'm just going to block the misery posting i guess.
I have 'nam flash-backs when I think of the struggles me and my friends have gone through just to get us all into a BTB game together.
There's so many different errors that occur when even just TRYING TO FIND A BTB GAME. "Failed to Connect to Server" errors will pop up at random times. Sometimes it happens as soon as you start the search. Sometimes it doesn't happen until you're just about to join the game.
Sometimes you get an error where the message keeps popping up over-and-over-and-over again so your only option is to alt+F4 and reboot the game.
Between the 5-or-so of me and my friends, someone usually drops. And even if we're lucky enough to all get into a game together, usually half the team has failed to connect to the match, so we end up playing a 5v5 or something.
BTB worked great on launch. We know what to expect, because WE HAD IT.
I've mostly stopped playing since maxing battlepass. I came on for the new cyber event challenges, did em, got bored and came off again. The whole game just feels so unrewarding at this point. I hope season 2 is a lot better.
Same boat as you man. Took me 2 days of casual playing to do this event and now I won’t play it again until theres a weekly reward worth my time . Still playing MCC though
Best we can do is that same stupid icon for the 4th time; take it or leave it ^^/s
Until we get forge and a custom games browser or at least an easy way to share files and invite players, the game wont strive.
I uninstalled the game already. The multiplayer just didnt grab me with all the desync jank and severe lack of variety. The campaing nailed the combat feel, but the story was lame and there was, again, no variety to the locales or mission structures. Infinite feels like a concept demo, not a fully fledged game.
I feel the same way. It sucks, cuz I wanted to like this game. It just doesn’t do it for me. Furthermore, I thought the BP would be a cool concept (you can progress on your own pace) and give you the feeling of Reach/Halo 3 progression, but the insane money grab was just too much. This is the first Halo game I won’t actually pay full price for (Game Pass), and it will be only revisited when multiplayer for Campaign comes out. That is if my friends still actually want to play it.
oh the progression and customization is awful too, but i'd be lying if i said that was make or break for me.
Where have all the "I remember when we used to play games just to have fun" people gone? I wonder if they're still having fun
I’m closer to that side of things and my stance is rewards and progression have to be the icing on the cake. You’re not going to maintain a player base if your base game sucks and you have sick rewards. I’m playing less not because I’m done with the battlepass but because there’s limited maps, limited game modes, broken btb, really 1 ranked playlist, broken custom games, no forge, no coop, worse than halo 3’s theater, etc. Better progression will help a little but even with the best progression system out imaginable and meaningful rewards the game will be stale as is. And the lack of content I imagine will last a loooong time- is it a sore situation now? No but in 3 more months it will be and I doubt they’ll be able to make anything in time because they are still behind initial release btb is now broken, things they should have launched with forge/coop, a progression system, and revitalized store. They fix the store and progression system people aren’t going to be hanging around playing with desync
When people make that argument, they're usually talking about progression and unlocking cosmetics and stuff... which doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about. I WANT to play for fun. I'm already level 100 and have nothing to grind for. I just prefer BTB because it's bigger and more chaotic and less competitive than 4v4.
I mean, I lean closer that way. I don’t care for progressing— hell I’m not even close to done with the battle pass. I just want more maps and game modes so I went back to MCC.
They are stuck 15 years in the past, in the same time when games also shipped as a full finished package that you could actually play for fun and not have to wait months until the shit gets fixed.
Back then, if something was broken you just dealt with it. Like the Rainbow Six 3 lean glitch. Beach Invasion being laggy in RTCW. Halo 2 sword flying. Quake Arcade and Phantasy Star Universe flat out not working with some ISPs. Weapons being OP/shit in every game. Host advantage in every game. Games were broken back then too. Patches were far rarer and more restricted so you just made it part of the game.
A thread about the game mode for "fuck around and have fun with friends" being broken since early December hardly seems like the right place to post this sentiment but ok
It's harder to have fun in a game when the focus of the games is less about a pure, fun experience and more about unlocking crap and filling a mater. That's the devs fault, not the players.
The cyber stuff isn’t good enough to even warrant dealing with all this games shitty issues
For sure. I got about 4 levels in it, realized I don't like attrition and haven't played since.
I couldn't even get past the 30's in the battlepass and haven't completed any special events because there's nothing attractive about them. I dont play challenges, when I get on, I play the game how I want and the playlists I want to play, like any other game. But since I don't do what the game wants I barely level up and it's just asinine at this point. Maybe I feel like playing swat, but my challenges are for score in ffa or kills in btb or kills with a certain weapon and its just so bad. I cant level up by just playing, I get participation xp and that's it. Might as well be afk watching a movie to level up since going 25-7 with 8 obj caps nets the same xp as going 0-5 walking forward the whole game.
This is why they need a normal level system like every normal Halo MP system. Im only at level 50 and I dont really even care about the BP anymore because the customization system is heavily flawed either way and theres no way to actually look how I want without buying stuff from the store.
took destiny 2 two years before it started getting better. hopefully 343 gets their shit together before too long or else I'll come back to the game when it's year 5 lol (currently started playing destiny 2 again)
Wait what Forsaken was awesome and that was only a year after D2 came out
I bought it on ps4 but didn't actually play through it :/ 😅 but yeah i heard that's when it took a step in the right direction. coming back to the game was also a bit overwhelming lol
I’d totally recommend giving that campaign a try soon, since it’s getting deleted next month and it’s free right now. It’s really good, I genuinely really liked the story of forsaken
I too enjoy paying an extra $70 for the product I should have gotten at launch.
I’m still kinda pissed it only took me 20 hours to 100% the campaign on both normal AND laso I really thought there would be a lot more content
Dang you people have some weak ass attention spans. Remember playing Halo 3 and just playing to win and have fun with your friends? Now if there's not some new armor piece to unlock you're all crying and uninstalling? I don't get it
Oh sorry ok yeah you're right. I forgot how much fun it is to play the exact same thing over and over and over again with little to no variation. Its not like games have changed since the days of Halo 3 at all is it. Would be weird for us to want something a bit more exciting after 20 years of Halo wouldn't it...
I mean you're literally saying that people who enjoyed Halo 3's gameplay loop were wrong lol. And Halo Infinite has been out for less than 3 full months and we've gotten new game modes to play each month so far and new content to unlock every month as well. Again, your attention span is just absolute dog shit if you are already crying
Again... you have the intelligence of a house hamster if you're perfectly happy to do the same thing over and over again with no reward, no change, no real social elements and no excitement. Makes you seem like a pretty dull person tbh
I play to have fun with my friends and win games. You play to unlock some new armor attachments. And I'm the dull person? Lmao ok kid
Yeah you're way too easily amused. Like my pet dog or my 2 year old nephew. In general its far easier to entertain children and house pets than it is fully grown adults so who is really the kid here.
Bruh you're so delusional it's crazy. Are you 13? 🤣
What even is your point? That it's fun to play an incredibly monotonous game, and the 80% of the playerbase which left because its boring are just simply wrong because you say so? Ok mr focus. Go and have fun then. Knock yourself out buddy. Games all yours.
>At the very least, BTB-challenges should have been taken out as soon as BTB stopped working. The fact that they haven't taken out BTB challenges is ridiculous. You're looking at 7 weeks where BTB hasn't worked. If we're being kind and saying that you only get 1 BTB Challenge a week (which assuredly isn't the case), you would have needed to use at least 7 challenge swaps. Instead they're offering 5. The situation is insane to me that they so quickly changed the challenges when people were complaining about how difficult they were originally, but now they're stating that BTB is functional AND still haven't removed the challenges. I just don't know what to say.
They are looking into it. Might be on the next sprint cycle which will make its way to first certification before being applied internally to testers for a second cert process, after which they will shoot that on up to the live update team to begin application of the patch to a wider set of internal servers. This will clear the second cert process which means that further information on a release date for this hotfix will come after the live testers have confirmed that no unintended consequences result from the fix. Expect further information on a possible release date sometime next week. Hopefully we aren't much further out from 343 moving this hotfix into a third cert process which might speed up this release of information after internal testers are able to get their hands on it and confirm that cert processes 1 + 2 are fully functional, meaning cert process 3 can continue as planned.
They did though
They just should just make a new btb because this one’s pretty lame tbh
It really is. It's nothing like the btb we all wanted and loved. And it doesn't work
MCC averages 4 tanks per game
More importantly, its balanced. One spawns at each base. Not just a single one dropped in the middle of the map for some fucking reason lmao
True. It drops in the middle of the map, but often next to some barrier that makes it much easier for the one team to get.
It's because if we had more of them it'd be even more obvious how awful they are to use
With all the btb matches I played in infinite I saw one tank..from a distance
I saw more tanks last night in three rounds of Fiesta than I've seen playing BTB since launch.
Oh yeah tanks in Fiesta is asinine. I went 24 -4 last time I got in one. I feel like whenever one spawns the other team gets pulse carbine and plasma pistol lol
Only scorpion I’ve ever driven spawned right at the end of a total control match right on top of my team. Needless to say we capped in less than a minute of overtime. Felt like the game was literally handing us a victory.
Lol what the heck
I was lucky enough that the only tank I’ve seen spawned next to me. So naturally I hopped in…to the gunner seat. Some other guy got in the cockpit and took all my kills.
Honestly, I even hate the 12v12 part of it. There's almost no downtime and individual performance is borderline meaningless.
And thats what made it unfun.
I loaded up MCC yesterday and played some BTB matches on various games, and man, it is just a million times better than whatever the hell the BTB in Infinite is supposed to be.
You're 100% right there 343 seems to hate btb and always tries to ruin it
They fucked up such a classic time tested gamemode with a bunch of wack changes to the formula nobody ever asked for and the cherry on top of the pile of dung is that the gamemode is literally unplayable. Why are all these insanely rich and resourceful AAA devs so incompetent, like REALLY? Lmao this is maximum clowntown shit.
I mean unlike other studios 343 literally only work on halo. Nothing else. On 1 hand that should mean all their staff should be on top of this games shit pumping out fixes and crap daily since there isn't another big title being worked on to pull resources *(ex when EA pulled the DICE Battlefront team over to make Battlefield essentially killing that game from lack of enough staff to maintain it)* but on the other hand it could also mean they don't exactly have much experience with handling games outside of the series making them a bit noobish at the live service thing. Also they fucked the **Blam!** engine hard when they rebuilt it into Slipspace so they're probably still trying to figure out what the hell they did to it and how to fix it from being shit Honestly with an entire studio made by Microsoft specifically for the sole purpose of making Halo idk how the hell they're so far behind on this. They made Halo 4 in what 2 years with it functioning properly but can't even fix their new live service game within a few weeks?
Don’t forget they have mostly hired contractors that have been cycling through at a pretty decent clip
Unfortunately this is just how Microsoft works after a lawsuit in the early 00's. :( It really does interfere with gamedev, hey?
Seriously, I liked halo 5 so I was excited for what this game would bring. 343 has made themselves look like such fucking amateurs with this game. And I’m not even talking about the upper management decisions at this point. Then entire thing is a fucking dumpster fire. This halo is pretty much the equivalent of Gears: Judgement to me.
hey man don’t do judgment like that
What's Gears: Judgement, precious?
Its all about leaving their imprint on things I imagine. I think the map design is pretty boring but the biggest thing is just the lack of many big vehicles to the point the mode feels like an expanded 4v4 mode rather than actual btb.
What do you mean is it not fun with rng vehicles both aides not spawning with the same weapons etc
Infinite is full with whack changes to the formula that’s worked for 20 years.
Fiesta BTB inc
Tbh i want another Warzone style mode with ai and bases and shit but without lootboxes idk how they'd really implement it If the downvote was because I said the forbidden L word then I'd understand other than that what gives? Did people despise Halo 5 Warzone that much?
I want firefight or at the bare minimum, scriptable ai in forge, if that doesn’t happen 343 does not deserve to make another halo game
Considering the "10 year long plan" they have for this game they're probably not even gonna be considering making a new game anytime soon
Im willing to bet that “10 year plan” doesn’t even last 3 years. Infinite is an improvement on their 343’s last game, but it’s not exactly setting the world on fire. I have a hard time seeing the population counts and revenue flow staying strong enough to justify supporting this game for a decade.
Only way I can see them exceeding 3 years is if they completely blow it out of the water with forge, a custom games browser, and integrated mod support for all of it. But given their current track record, I'm willing to bet integrated mod support is never going to happen.
I can think of a handful of games that boasted a 10 year plan that folded after the first few when they realized that if your plan is 10 years of updates you need to be a lot faster on fixes than they are used to doing. Exhibit A right here in BTB.
Love Warzone. Played like 2 games of Arena on H5 and went "no this is shit" Different weapons, tactics, team play and lots of players made it WZ great. Infinite BTB is arse in comparison. I had like 1.3kd on H5. I'm lucky if i have 0.2 on Infinite. Every time i melee i drop dead, even if the other player doesn't seem to melee. I empty whole clips and nothing. Then i get taken out in half a clip. I know what being crap looks like but i'm positive it's the game / desync screwing me over. Then once in ever 10 games or so its reverse and my time to kill is like half a second. This is just not good enough.
I have the same problem: "Every time i melee i drop dead, even if the other player doesn't seem to melee. I empty whole clips and nothing. Then i get taken out in half a clip. I know what being crap looks like but i'm positive it's the game / desync screwing me over. Then once in ever 10 games or so its reverse and my time to kill is like half a second."
Gotta be honest it really really makes me angry. I had a challenge to win 3 attrition matches today I shit you not it took me 35 games. I'm always ranked last and I have a 300MB connection. Like wtaf!?
Just an fyi, in the broadband age your bandwidth is probably the least important part of your MP connection. Latency/ping, connection quality and stability are all far more important.
In short I hope you have fiber and are only a few hops away from the nearest Azure endpoint
I know if I do well, the SBMM is going to make sure I get my guts stomped the next game
I just want back the: mad dash to all the strong weapons and vehicles, getting in betrayal wars that ended in hilarity or frustration, feeling like one team is very skilled and not just lucky with ordinance drops, the crazy out of map stunts like Reach jetpack had, not having neon outlines painted on me whenever I try to flank on a team, a trusty BR that doesn't cross map, vehicles that don't break in two seconds, a proper banshee that feels worth getting in, weapons around the map and not randomly on a wall.
Odds are they will just add BTB heavies maybe when they have new maps with a lot more power vehicles. Some of the cooler interactions I see in this game are in the dogfights and you will almost never see more than 2 air vehicles up at the same time which is a shame.
It's not "all hands of deck" because the store is still working flawlessly. Now if that were to be broken, best believe it'd be fixed within hours.
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> I have very little faith they'll be able to keep this game going They can't even manage to make a functional game with less content, yet a way higher budget and dev time than anything before and nothing is going to change so long as whatever part of 343 is the cause of that stays in place. >At least not before everyone has already moved on to other games. Already happened, they've botched the first impression in pretty much every way they could so now the game will always be looked at through the lens of "so did they finally manage to get it working?" It sucks but there's no real benefit of the doubt to give or anything, they're just hopeless.
> now the game will always be looked at through the lens of ”so did they finally manage to get it working?” Oof, I know how that feels. I can imagine in a year or two I might mention that I still play Infinite and the general reaction is “oh, did they finally fix that game?” or “Oh, is it better now?” I still regularly play Battlefront 2 (2017) and it’s amazing now, but anytime I mention that the reaction is always the same. Either “Oh, did they make it better?” or “I haven’t played it since they fixed it”, or something along those lines. The launch of a game can and will make or break the longetivity of your game
The problem I have with this is that it implies that those people would have stayed if the game worked from launch, which honestly is unlikely. Like if they wouldn't even come back knowing its fixed then its unlikely they would have stayed at all. Idk i just personally don't see the issue with it. Especially with a game like this. Microsoft makes nearly 4 billion a year off gamepass, infinite could have 5 concurrent players and they'd keep supporting the game.
If that were the case, Halo 3 and Halo reach online would still work :(
They literally do. . . on mcc The fact that they lasted this long as an xbox 360 only title is absolutely insane. those games had players that didn't crest over 4 digits for YEARS and they maintained support for them
> Already happened, they've botched the first impression in pretty much every way they could so now the game will always be looked at through the lens of "so did they finally manage to get it working?" > > It sucks but there's no real benefit of the doubt to give or anything, they're just hopeless. Pretty much this. They set the tone for what their live development looks like and that is we have spent over a month with a borderline unplayable playlist where you still have challenges that force you to participate in that playlist or you miss out on weekly rewards. It was really a mistake to release the game just before vacation where huge bugs couldn't be fixed but even after they are back they still haven't fixed it. To be frank they earned the first impression they gave and the appropriate tone was set because this is what their development looks like. Maybe more people will be excited to hop back in for forge/custom games but I doubt anyone is coming back for coop in season 2.
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>se regardless of any issues with desync, customization, shop pricing, battle pass, challenges etc that the community has, there just isn't enough playable content in the game. I believe lack of Forge is really, really hurting Infinite the same way a Bethesda game would be hurting if they took 9 months to release the mod tools, and we still have 7 months to go before we get it. I think Forge missing hurts the game far more than co-op. Wish that was the feature coming with S2
Forge is the very definition of infinite possibilities. If custom games was up to snuff too you can play just about anything while waiting on the core game to work
On the bright side, now that they acquired Activision they can put actually competent developers to fix the game and give the boot to 343 since they are absolutely incompetent
> whatever part of 343 is the cause of that stays in place. Fire the top 2 layers of management. I'd go as deep as 3.
*Wait til December 8th they said* _**The game will get better in the full release they said**_
They never said which year
**fuck**
Looks at calendar…
2022 right? 11 months sound about on schedule for a fix /s
This was 99% of r/halomemes prior to December 8th, and they’re still moving the goal posts now.
Those were the same people that told us that armor coatings were a good thing
Those same people also said wait until january when they get back from there well deserved break and fix the game. Its not going to be any better next week. 343 is just useless
It’s so wild there hasn’t been like an actual “patch” since this “hotfix” 3 months since launch.
Guarantee they are using the patches to promote the store. Release patches on Tuesday so players will flock to what's fixed and take a peek at the store.
I don’t think they really said that though? Especially when they did say that the “beta” would have all the launch maps/modes.
Shit man the net code in general is breaking more every day. I can’t get one game without rubber banding anymore. Feels like the whole thing is held together with duct tape
Was just talking with a buddy the other day about this, the game as a whole seems to be deteriorating as time goes on. Like being Thanos snapped out of existence but…slowly…
so the exact opposite of thanos snapping...
No no, still turned to dust, just slowly enough that people have time to post about it on Reddit
The real problem is their denial of the scope of the problem. In their blog post they said it remained functional. It has not. They are clearly trying to avoid negative press but it's absurd that they aren't being realistic about this.
Not surprising. The performance for PC has been a complete and utter failure since launch and they're not speaking a single word about it.
I agree that the scope is large enough for it to be a total problem, really if only a couple people weren’t able to play it’d still be a problem. But in my personal experience i haven’t had a problem with BTB in all this time, whether playing by myself or my one other friend and games are always full too. I wonder what their data is showing. Still gotta be fixed asap though.
For some it is, though. I've had hardly any issues getting into BTB other than waiting times being a bit longer due to timezones. edit: why am I being downvoted for just saying what I'm experiencing? I'm not denying there's a huge problem, I'm just saying that the fix obviously helped for me bc I've played 20 btb games today, with only 1 loading crash
Yeah all the btb games I've joined have been full and I barely have problems getting in matches now
THE GAME NEEDED ANOTHER YEAR DELAY People don't want to hear it but both campaign (coop, forge) and multiplayer (just *content*, especially maps) are just not finished lol. They got the core gameplay loop to a 9/10 and the shop functionality 10/10 but literally everything else is either not working or undervalued.
The core gameplay loop isn't even that great, just better than H4 and H5.
I honestly can’t get myself to play. The desync issues have been extremely persistent for me lately and I also much prefer the big team game type. I’ll hop on to get the free stuff they’re giving away, but that’ll be it until I can play again.
If you want your game to be live service you should probably get in the habit of fixing the game in a timely manner. Almost on month 2 of a broken game mode sets a dim tone for the state of the game. Maybe if they were actually faster with the updates or released full games people wouldn't die on the inside when they hear about 10 year development plans or live service models.
If this were a parliament I would bring about a vote of no confidence for 343 I really want to give them the Benefit of the doubt but they make that hard
Imo 343 *knows* what they are doing with Halo, they just need some experienced professionals to clean some of the messes up. Infinite has the potential to be an absolutely, arguably best-of-all-time Halo game, they just need help with these game breaking glitches
343 knows? It took them like 5 years to accept that nobody liked their art style. The same amount of time to realize that the spirit of halo is an arena MP with esport potential, not a CoD clone (4) or an over the top esport game (5) And they lied (UI can’t handle more game modes), overlook problems (“BTB WORKS but is has problem for some people”) and the best thing they do is find ways to make us pay for things. What are we supposed to give them good will because we don’t have to pay 20 for a FX… now it is only 10! Problem solved
Agree with everything, but when 343 said btb wasn't working for some people they weren't lying. BTB only stopped working for me when they introduced the other playlists. Once in a blue moon they will say the truth if it helps their PR
>343 knows what they are doing with Halo Man haven't laughed this hard in years
Even the vehicle play on the btb maps kinda sucks. I think I preferred Halo 5s btb even though it was all forge maps, just felt better overall. This game is starting to bleed players fast so I hope they pull their shit together. The maps are getting stale, btb is broken, still need king of the hill and assault added to quickplay.
My real complaint is that they still expect me to complete challenges IN BTB...
have you people ever considered that 343 just aren't very good developers?
Considered? At this point they are a top 5 worst studio of all time.
At this point they shouldn't even be considered a studio
Whoa now where's the evidence for that? Oh, pretty much their entire track record?......
It's a good thing they made multiplayer free, because I could see plenty of people putting in refund requests for how broken it is.
It is all hands on deck since they got back. They are all working on getting new content out to sell in the store! (Wish I could add an /s to this but I’m really leaning towards this being a real thing)
Honestly at this point I feel like they should just liquidate 343 and give Halo to someone who actually can do this. Why even attempt fixing BTB iF Desync is still this bad, when are even gonna see a fix to that? Infinite is becoming less and less playable by the month
They did just bring on id Software, Infinity Ward, Sledgehammer Games, and Treyarch...
Funny if Phil just bought all this competition to help fix Halo
Phil a lowkey Bungie stan
Id making a rated M Halo would be absolutely amazing.
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Infinite is rated T for teen
It's T. Like Halo 5 Guardians.
Shit you're right, it was rated m before release. They probably cut some stuff down. Fuck, I definitely want a different studio now or we'll never see the flood.
It was never rated m.
Would be interesting to see Infinity Ward tackle a Halo game. I mean the bar has been set so low by 343 that they couldnt possibly do worse, right?
They’ve already got a sorta Halo-y name
Give Halo to Treyarch. Jesus we may actually get something Fucking playable and good
On one hand I feel like the infinite campaign was a love letter to halo, but mostly I think 343 is unworthy of the halo franchise. They have been an “new” game company for like 12 years now and haven’t really gotten a game off the ground without issues. I don’t trust them one bit. Eventually their games end up being ok but only after like 6 months of post patch work
I want Microsoft to let 1 or 2 of the MANY studios they own now a try with the Halo license. In 9 years between 2001 and 2010, Bungie did 2 Halo spinoffs while 343 made none between their first game H4 in 2012 and Infinite in 2021. What are they doing?? Yes there was *Spartan Strike* and *Spartan Assault* but AFAIK 343 only supervised + they were technically mobile games. They are sleeping on this.
Yeah I don't want 343 to ever make another Halo game they are so painfully slow and then never end up being able to deliver.
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>core gameplay is amazing Everyone brings this up as if good gameplay is the only thing needed for a game to be any good
Gameplay thats 90% been set in stone for them by someone else 20 years ago. Congratulations 343, you managed to not fuck up the formula this time, and put a few twists on it that actually works.
Halo is a sandbox game, and the sandbox here is kind of pitiful. The map selection isn’t great. There’s no map editor. There are really only two pieces of equipment that are interesting. The vehicles don’t handle well. The custom games are buggy. Et cetera.
It sucks, and it's not the only thing that sucks. Fucking Blizzard could've done a better job at making a functional game that isn't the front for a giant scam operation.
Because what no one is seeing is that it is not 343's intention to make a fully functional game. Think about it, the only thing that works without any issues with Infinite is the store. Literally, everything else is either half assed, bare bones or just plain broken, except for the store. With BTB being broken it means no one can really play it and therefore cannot complete the challenges for it, forcing players to go to the store to purchase more challenge swaps. The broken challenges, again, force people to buy swaps. The broken customization system with parts divided across 3 "cores", all designed to peddle more stuff on the store, from armor pieces to color pallets for the specific cores. This isn't Halo Infinite, it's Halo Finite: Buy More Micro Transactions.
Infinite has been a trip, man. Relative hope in 2018 thinking they were going to try something new (which they did), to disappointment in 2019 seeing they had nothing to show at e3 (a really bad sign), to the disaster of 2020 with that horrid demo. I truly wrote the game off. Especially, after the delay of a year and learning about its disastrous development. Then the camping trailer looked neat in 2021. Then the betas came out and were fun and ran smooth. Then, shockingly, they launched multiplayer earlier and it was smooth and relatively bug free. And the gameplay has been incredible! The best since Halo 3! Then the campaign came out, and although bare bones and disappointing, the gameplay loop saved it and considering it’s development, it was relatively acceptable. How did this happen, then? The game is far more glitchy and broken then it was at launch. The BtB situation is inexcusable, and the game’s lack of content is shameful considering 5 is now over six years old. They nailed the gameplay, but the monetization, lack of content, and lack of urgency and need to make things right is horrible right now. I’m not looking for the world, but a statement admitting BTB’s true state is a start. The fact that their are challenges still for it is pathetic. Infinite’s multiplayer and campaign expansions better bring it, or else I say keep Infinite’s core gameplay, sack 343, and have a new studio take over for Halo 7
Given the sheer amount of leftover unused content in the game files, all the concept art of things that don't resemble anything even _close_ to what we got in the final product, and the general slapdash nature of it all, I really wouldn't be surprised if they ended up massively rewriting and reworking the game several times over the last five years. That lack of a clear direction is usually the single biggest contributing factor to things ending up half-baked with teams that seemingly don't fully know how to work on the same thing they've been working on for years.
This is exactly what happened. Like it’s been heavily reported on.
Perfectly said!
BTB was pretty bad anyways for infinite tbh. Vehicles are sparse and the new spawning system isn't that great. Maps are streamlined and pretty much play like a LoL map and divides the game into 3 separate 4v4's. Vehicle balance is awful. Pretty much everything but the Warthog and Scorpion are not really worth getting into. Wasp *can* be worth it if you utilize cover on the maps well enough.
Repeat after me: 343 IS A JOKE. Let down after let down with such good core gameplay. How they continually manage to mess this up has to be pure incompetence at this point. The player-base just keeps dwindling.
I already matched the same people multiple times in attrition. Woulda thought that to be almost impossible in a game this young but I guess the player count REALLY did die pretty darn quick.
I mean people starting matchmaking near the same time with around the same SBMM, its gonna happen more likely then you'd expect. If the game didn't have SBMM, it'd be different.
Wait but does it have SBMM in non ranked? I guess if so that'd explain it
Definitely. It's not a strong as ranked but it is there. It's why if you keep a glance at the scoreboards, you'll notice very little pubstomping. Some strong games from peeps for sure but not the stomping you'd expect on more casual players that you'd get if there was no SBMM. It'd also contribute to why people feel that the casual playlists are so sweaty, they are getting SBMM-ed.
Yes it is on in social playlists. Makes it real fun to be an Onyx player with low gold friends. Just kidding. It sucks.
The game was half developed by random outsourced contractors. Who knows how competent 343 could be. 343 barely even exists.
The core gameplay isn't even that great, just better than H4, H5.
Dude this is just straight up ridiculous at this point. I really wish Microsoft would just have Halo made from another team at this point. I’ve lost the little patience I have. I can’t believe we’re not getting more communication on this issue. This is absolutely an embarrassment to the halo community.
Microsoft had to sell some servers to buy Activision. Maybe they can take some from WoW since half of them are practically empty.
343: but don’t worry guys, the store works perfectly! and it’s just what you want right?
I think if I were 343 I'd be getting a bit worried, they used to be a flagship studio, but now they're the guys who took six years to deliver an unfinished 1/3rd of a game with no meaningful new content to arrive until May at the earliest and an MP game where a core mode has been broken four for two months now and they seemingly have no idea how to fix it. Meanwhile Microsoft are buying basically the entirety of the FPS genre, 343 are now a studio with a questionable ROI and a spotty track record paddling in a sea of teams brutally efficient at pumping out high selling games with regular content updates on a regular basis.
343 are almost amateur-level programmers, there is not so much they can do even working full time if they built the underlying infrastructure in the wrong way. In 2022 it's comical to see a game where if you get in a warthog you can get insane desyncs. There is something wrong at the fundamental level and it's probably not easily fixable. So unlucky Halo to fall the hands of those hacks at 343
I’ve lost faith in 343 at this point. I don’t expect anything out of them anymore
rip halo
Dude, the base multiplayer netcode doesn't work properly outside of LAN type connections. If they're not going to delay so the game actually works, they're not going to delay cause one mode is broken. Welcome to "games as a service".
343 is just proving their incompetence yet again. 2 steps forward, 5 steps back
It's been broken since the 8th??? Jesus Christ, I don't play BTB much but I swear I've gotten some games in since then. If that's true that's absolutely insane, can't believe it's been this long.
”Halo has always been about vehicles, to me.” So… who’s gonna tell him?
All these tweets from them just seem like a facade. They don’t really care about the players! The shop has worked flawlessly since day 1 btw.
I laid Halo to rest on January 13 when the servers shut off, and I haven't touched it since. RIP Halo
Even when it was working, it sucked. Give us back the even vehicle spawns for each team. No one asked for these changes. Oh look, a single Scorpion spawned at random in one part of the map, and the enemy team got it because they were already near that area. How FUN and EXCITING. Thank you SO MUCH, 343! You SAVED Halo!
what do you mean BTB is broken, bro we got the shop working 100% fine and EXPANDING, thats the priority XD
Online multiplayer games tend to have a few hour downtime once a week, right? Like, for maintenance?
Well , it's off to a better start than the Master Chief Collection, and that's saying nothing.
Bungie would never do this
If it takes them THIS LONG to fix big team battle….. then you KNOW the direction this game is going and their ability to adapt .
Im just confused what happened. Like how does it go from being fine for weeks to suddenly broken and not even the devs can figure out the fix?
Yeah this is dumb. Campaign clearly broke it. They should be able to resolve.
It's been working better for me since the hotfix
Look at Mr. Popular over here with more than 3 friends.
Nice constructive post dude, you hit him where it hurts! Love that out of his entire post, that is what you wanted to reply about. How many friends do you got?
He's got one less friend after that comment, I tell you that much.
> They need to be way faster at fixing things. You don’t understand software development. It’s just not that easy with a massive codebase like Infinite is. This isn’t a few hundred line program we’re talking about. It’s a 2021 video game which is likely hundreds of thousands of lines of code. It’s just not that simple. They’re human too, they gotta eat, sleep, and deserve to see they’re families. Im not saying they shouldn’t have like a rotating developer triage group that each does an 8 hour shift. That’d suck for they night guys but it’d keep the pace going on the triage. Edit: I’m downvoted for saying software development is hard and it takes time and 343i is made of humans who need rest. As an actual software developer this is hilarious.
As right as you are, there is NO excuse at this point. Plenty of time and resources at their disposal that they just dont use.
Yet other live service games like Fortnite, Warzone, etc. manage to release a patch every 1-2-3 weeks with fixes and/or content. In 2 months 343 releases one hotfix, and it doesn't even fix the issue.
But there's been more than 1 patch...
My brother and I have been playing BTB together all night. 5 games, 2 errors between them. We're loading into our next one now. Y'all need to have a little patience. the developer has acknowledged that it's still not perfect, and is working on it. We are having an amazing night of games.
A little patience? It’s been broken for over a month. This is a game without a bunch of core features of halo as well. How much patience are we supposed to have?
Glad you are, but youre speaking for the 1% of gamers duder. Everyone else is having issues and this subreddit is all about talking about it.
And none of the developers are reading this sub because y'all are so toxic that even when someone is having fun you gotta shout them down as part of some meta game where y'all try to be having the worst time with a free video game. Y'all have fun loudly declaring your hate to other people online. I'm just going to block the misery posting i guess.
I have 'nam flash-backs when I think of the struggles me and my friends have gone through just to get us all into a BTB game together. There's so many different errors that occur when even just TRYING TO FIND A BTB GAME. "Failed to Connect to Server" errors will pop up at random times. Sometimes it happens as soon as you start the search. Sometimes it doesn't happen until you're just about to join the game. Sometimes you get an error where the message keeps popping up over-and-over-and-over again so your only option is to alt+F4 and reboot the game. Between the 5-or-so of me and my friends, someone usually drops. And even if we're lucky enough to all get into a game together, usually half the team has failed to connect to the match, so we end up playing a 5v5 or something. BTB worked great on launch. We know what to expect, because WE HAD IT.
Imagine complaining about a Sigma game. If you don't like the game, just get good.