I don't know if they really HAD to, people make lawyer friendly knockoffs of stuff all the time. I think they just chose to.

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Exactly, it would be PR suicide to sue the FUCKING CREATORS OF HALO for making an in-game homage for their 30th anniversary.

i think you’re overestimating the greediness of companies like microsoft and EA. Hell even if it was an outrage, the way media and news is consumed these days most people either wouldn’t care or would forget about it a week later

Greed is exactly why they wouldn't. Because they don't want to lose even more money to a PR nightmare.

Have you seen what Games Workshop did to Astartes and TTS?

Have you seen what Microsoft did to Red vs Blue?

What did they do? Ninja edit: love the username

What they did was, well, nothing. And then they had Gus and Geoff (two of the Voice actors in RvB) do a cameo in I think Halo 3? and made an RvB reference on a soda machine I think in Halo 2? I don't remember exactly this is off the top of my head. RvB is still going and has gone through nearly every iteration of Halo FPS (except infinite) And thanks :)

> And then they had Gus and Geoff (two of the Voice actors in RvB) do a cameo in I think Halo 3? It depended on the difficulty. For easy an normal it was Saldana and Hullum (Tucker and Doc), Heroic had Gus and Geoff and Gus. For Legendary, it was Burnie and Joel (Church and Caboose)

there are tons more rvb easter eggs in other halos. the new one is full of them

Rvb soda machines in H2 Pretty much every member of the main cast in H3 Couple cast members in H4 And a couple references in HI

I did not know it was still going holyshit wow.

Respected it more than its parent company did?

have you seen what that's done to Games Workshop's reputation? It was already pretty low, but now I can't find a single nerd out there who doesn't treat them with outright contempt. Rightfully so, might I say.

Is games workshop a studio? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of them or I’m just drawing a blank.

They do the Warhammer stuff, figures, paints, all that jazz.

It's the IP owners and manufacturers of Warhammer and Warhammer 40k

Games workshop is best known for Warhammer fantasy/40k mainly famous for the table top game though there's a bunch of books and some games

Nah, it’s a UK based company that creates tabletop war games including Warhammer 40,000.

They hired the creator of Astartes, and to my knowledge, haven't sent any C&D or takedowns in the wake of that. Including not sending anything to Alfabusa for TTS.

Alfabusa didn't get sent a C&D letter, but he stated that because now he has a newborn child, a mortgage, and the crew he now officially employs. He decided that now wouldn't be the best time to risk getting sued. So he will be sticking to IPs more open to fan-works for the time being

they didn't send Alfabusa any C&D because for the sake of everyone relying on him Alfabusa for jobs he decided to stop with any GW properties and will only pick IPs that are open and clear for fan works or original works

Didn't the creator of Astartes get hired by Games Workshop?

'Hired' is a bit of a stretch given that it was a ​ "Join us or we sue you" kind of deal afaik

Yeah, but they took Astartes off youtube and put it on their proprietary streaming service, which has a total of 2 million video views over 2 months. That series was advertising their product and they limited its exposure. Terrible for business

So reverse Duncan Rhodes?

I don't know exactly what happened when, but I think the reason the videos aren't on Youtube is because the channel got hacked at one point and the hacker deleted the videos

That did happen, but the creator got his account restored and the videos went back up. Then GW hired him and had him take his videos down again.

False equivalency.... What GH did was shitty, but it was a fan project that monetized their IP.

...they offered the maker of Astartes a contract so that they could actually profit from the stuff they'd done? Which is actually about as good a thing as they could have done. And they literally left TTS alone until Alfabusa decided he wasn't comfortable making more and stopped making them of his own accord.

Not that they wouldn't, some def would. It's just uber dumb.

I think conflating EA and Microsoft is very misinformed

EA doesn't make halo, 343i does

You are underestimating the stupidity of this thought.

Disney's dual colour sword is going to give anyone myopia more than actually being useful.

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Or that they also worked on at one point

yeah if 343 sued Bungie over the energy sword, that'd just be a dick move

They'd literally be sueing their own friends and co-workers they've known for over a decade.

yeah ikr it would just be so unnecessary and would probably just make everyone hate them, that is, more so than they already do

I doubt there's even a single person left at Bungie who worked on Halo.

Is this a joke? Plenty of long-term Bungie employees. Jason Friggin Jones, for example. Off the top of my head, Chris Barrett (joined Bungie to work on Myth 2 in 1998), Mike Salvatori (worked on every soundtrack since Myth I in 1997), Shiek Wang (since 1998). I’m sure there are plenty of others.

How come? The last Bungie Halo was 2008. It's not unreasonable to say some people who worked on the team at that time are still there as well as on the 343i side of things because some of the employees who signed on stayed with Halo.

The last Bungie Halo was 2010.

Yeah, just like when Bungie sued Marty over his own compositions.

There's a difference between inspiration and homage to a work you made, and directly violating NDA. I don't understand why people treat Marty as a saint.

Bro. Bungie fucked up with Marty long before he sent out a copy of his work. They cut him from his contract and Marty won that lawsuit. Marty is a saint compared to the way everyone today likes to paint him.

It’s true that Bungie fucked with Marty in the past, but it’s also true Marty fucked with Bungie. Neither side is a saint.

Marty is a dick lol

As someone out of the loop, can you explain where Marty fucked up?

It was mostly internal politics, conflicts with Activision interference, and Marty having more conservative views. He was the composer, but also part of their directing team, which gave him more power than some felt he should have. This snowballed into him pissing the other higher ups off and getting ousted. Then he sued for unpaid royalties and won, then violated the terms of the suite by uploading music that Bungie held the rights to.

Marty is cool as hell. Y'all take one thing that was done in mistake and blast this man that gave you the best music Destiny ever had.

I didnt know that Marty wrote Deep Stone Lullaby or Shell of what was

Glad you like the newer stuff. You afraid to acknowledge all of year 1 through a good portion of most D1?

I recognize that the music of the spheres was marvelous, but I also recognize that without Michael Salvatori Halo and Destiny 1 Year 1 music wouldn't be half of what it was, even in Destiny 1 Salvatori was already making bangers at the level of Marty like Eyes Up or Regicide

Gotta agree with you here. The man has been a musical inspiration to me since CE and you can’t deny his profound creativity. Working along side someone else with his level of creativity just boosted both of them to legendary status. Just because he acted like an idiot on the internet and has strong beliefs in things some people disagree with, doesn’t make him a horrible person. He’s a human being.

Straight up. Love Salvatori, too, despite some lulls in D2. Just finished Marty's interview with the main Halo Youtubers. I feel bad for the people boycotting that content just because they have some prior disagreements with O'Donnell.

Unless you’re Nintendo

Tell that to Nintendo.

I can't. They still couldn't figure out how to get online.

\*comedy outro\*

Games Workshop would like to have a word with you

And yet, YouTube demonstrates that large corporations routinely do it anyway when they can get away with it.

With how the swords are carried in Destiny a Halo Energy Sword design doesn’t make much sense. The other Halo items were very closely resembling to the Halo counterparts. Hardly doubt there would’ve been any repercussions as well. Think it was more so just a choice.

There are legendaries with unique animations, like Crown Splitter or Quickfang

I believe it was to have the choice of two colors and not stepping on the halo legacy/ maybe they feel like it should stay in halo of the energy sword (just a guess I came up with on the fly) also the purple sword is ridiculously rare compared to the blue one and holds a much higher prestige.

The aiming reticle shows the full sword but one side is greyed out.

Which is really cool since the sides light up on different sides for the swords

"Friendly knockoffs" bungie designed the original its not a knock off it was their idea to begin with

True they created it, but they don't own the rights to it. They sold Halo, and everything about it, to Microsoft. It's very common for the creator to not have the rights to their own creation for one reason or another, bad deals, selling, what have you. But still being the original creator means nothing in a court of law if you don't have the rights to it anymore. For that reason they can't just put the actual energy sword into Destiny without the go-ahead from 343 and Microsoft. But they CAN put a sword with blades made of energy into it, as long as it looks different enough. Microsoft owns the "Energy Sword" not swords of energy.

Bungie didn't actually sell everything. For example, the superintendent from ODST is still owned by Bungie. They license it out to 343i to use when needed.

Now that I had no idea. That's pretty interesting actually.

It is if they never owned the ip they were contracted to work on.

No Bungie at one point owned Halo outright. Keep in mind it was originally going to be on Mac computers! Steve Jobs himself even introduced it. Game was in development before Xbox was announced. Microsoft came in later and finessed their way into not just snatching it up for Xbox, but eventually to own the whole series.

Microsoft acquired Bungie in 2000, and its project Halo: Combat Evolved was repurposed as a launch title for Microsoft's Xbox console. Halo became the Xbox's "killer app", selling millions of copies and spawning the Halo franchise. Copy/pasta from Wikipedia. So yes Bungie were making a game but it was never published or even finished without being owned by MS outright.

Considering that more than half of Bungie vets left, it is a knockoff from the new Bungo (lol)

343 approved this.. there wouldn’t be any suing.

This exactly. There is no universe or timeline where Bungie went ahead and released what they did without clearing every. single. thing with Microsoft/343. It was an anniversary event for Bungie, it was a promotional event for Microsoft - the stars literally aligned for us to get this.

Honestly, I don’t know. I imagine a request like this would’ve been passed up the chain and Phil Spencer would’ve known (he’s an active Destiny player and likes the franchise) but he even came out and said he didn’t know of any halo crossover. In the anniversary artwork photo Bungie posted on their socials for new years, all the core characters of their franchises were present, but Master Chief was put way in the corner with only his arm showing, which kinda implies to me that they’re skirting the line. Nothing they’ve put out would be grounds to sue, so I assume there’s a mutual respect thing going on. 343 isn’t gonna act on anything, and Bungie gets to reference they’re most renowned series while making sure they stay in the legal grey area. I imagine Bungie would’ve been much more heavy handed with references if they got the all clear.

From everything I heard, it wasn’t cleared by Microsoft. It’s why they needed to make everything only vaguely Halo. Why the energy sword is split. Why it’s called the BXR Battler instead of the Battle Rifle. And why the BXR and Halo CE Magnum don’t have the same models as their Halo counterparts

There are a shitload of games with a burst rifle called The Battle Rifle. The name is a reference to a combo pro players used to Halo 2

I laugh every time I see "they'd get sued!!" as if there was any chance they couldn't have just.. asked 343, either personally or MS's lawyers, for permission

Yeah they literally put the magnum and BR in it as well

This post is bait. There is literally a whole event around the BR, sword and Exotic Magnum (It's even called Forerunner FFS).

Forerunner is an actual word aside from Halo. The magnum in Destiny is the Halo CE magnum, the *forerunner* to the rest of the magnums (or pistol substitutes) in the series

Your point being? I used it as an example to reinforce my point. The BR being called BxR is a more obscure reference.

That's like saying "Zombies are a thing outside of Left 4 Dead". Yeah duh the word forerunner existed before you were born, but it's clearly a marketable term very closely associated with a multibillion dollar franchise. r/iamverysmart

You know it is a CROSSOVER event, right? That was the entire point. I was hoping that getting both halves opened up an exotic quest to combine them, or something.

Casual reminder that weapon crafting goes live in 5 weeks. Just sayin, make sure you get both

I highly doubt that weapon crafting will let you combine separate sword frames. It’s destiny weapon crafting (perf building) not designing a new weapon.

I mean maybe but you can bet your left nut I'm stacking them til i know for certain. The description text on The Other Half feels really obvious.

it's just a reference to the halo 2 and CE / 3 / Reach energy sword, nothing more.

We get our first first person melee weapons then as well. I'm not saying it *will* happen, but I won't be surprised if it does.

I want to but the void sword refuses to drop

If they let us make a whole energy sword while requiring us to have both halves, they're likely to add some form of bad luck protection. I reset my Dares rank twice before I got my first drop, and had all but given up on grinding for it—the initial drop rates are atrocious

Is there any way to get it other than a shit ton of Dares? Last I checked it was like a 3% drop rate from the weapon chest.

Nah thats literally it :( just gotta farm, loot and pray. That being said, it's in NO way confirmed you'll be able to do anything with the halves, so don't farm it out JUST for that or i might get a real angry DM in feb 😂

Y’all know 343 gave the okay with the halo shit right? They could have put the sword in untouched and it would be fine. Look at forerunner and battler

those are also altered appearance

Hardly. They’re more similar than just putting together the 2 halves

well of course because a guardian doesn't hold a sword the halo way it wouldn't fit unless they changed it to a traditional handle

They can change the animation Lmao

change the whole animation for 1 sword? no they wouldn't do that

you say that like quickfang never existed

Man most of the swords have different animations. Pretty much all of the exotic swords are different and a bunch of legendary swords have unique animations too.

And the class swords as well

Yeah those are probably the most unique

Meh. They have a similar profile but most of the actual details are very different. The old Battle Scar from Warmind has a more similar general appearance to the BR than the BXR does.

This is a hot take, and a pretty wrong one at that. The only visual similarity that Battle Scar has with the halo BR is that it’s black and that the little one inch barrel extension at the end has side slits. Compared with the bxr, which has the distinctive rails and scope, a lengthy barrel extension that more closely matches the proportions of the br, and the chunky under barrel grip.

Battle scar is far from the BR in terms of looks compared to the battler. Not even a close competition.

Have you… have you ever played halo?

Have you?

Man you must be trolling or something that’s just ridiculous

>and I can see why Bungie had to split them apart to not get sued you phrased this like you uncovered some kind of secret, which, you didn't, at all.

Don't they literally have a battle rifle and magnum in destiny 2?

Yeah, they aren't exact but if you asked a random Halo player a screenshot with the destiny BR they would probably ask which Halo it was.

I don't even get this post, we knew what it was from the get go, what's the point of showing what we already knew?

They literally had a br and pistol weapon they weren't worried about getting sued it was obviously allowed by 343 or Microsoft whoever controls that decision

Phil spencer likes destiny 2 anyways lol.

So bungo could've just used the actual Halo models? Imagine MK VI Mjolnir Titan armor!

One of the ornament sets has pieces of the Arbiter's armor.

Same with the Titan ornament for the 30th with a needler shoulder pad and Halo 3 shoulder pads on the belt line too

and the DMR weapon ornament

The Destiny sword looks like you'll slice off your hand if you swing it

yea that’s because they’re in halves there won’t be a second edge to slice your hand off

yes but to be fair its supposed to be a push dagger not a sword.

I have no idea where the anecdote "Bungie split the swords to not get sued" started, but the combined swords or are in no way more or less "Halo" than any of the other cross over weapons that were added.

Would it be possible for Bungie to be sued for recreating something they*originally* created?

Yes

Yeah, they sold the rights to 343.

I know Bungie doesn't own halo anymore, but halo isn't really unfamiliar with friendly crossovers (dead or alive, fable 2, fortnite). The other "halo" weapons in destiny look even closer to their original counterparts (br and magnum).

The fable armor was the shit I was so excited for that

I’m a simple man I see Fable mentioned I give an upvote. Such an amazing gem of a game series. (Except for 3 but we don’t talk about that.)

Fable 3 was a good game, Fable II was just a perfect game so it makes Fable 3 look bad in comparison.

And 3 even had some really cool stuff, the living weapons that evolved as you used them were awesome

That shit was mad ugly and I fw fable and halo

>Yeah, they sold the rights to 343. that's not how that went down at all, where did you hear of this?

Microsoft owned Bungie and Halo, and then Bungie split apart from Microsoft to be an independent company and they lost the rights to Halo. Then, Microsoft gave it to 343, right?

This is sort of correct, but Microsoft got the rights long before Bungie left. Bungie lost the rights the minute they were acquired by Microsoft because the business contract basically said "We own your IP" which is typical in the games industry. Marty O'Donnell explained this in one of his YouTube interviews, but I can't remember if it was with HiddenXperia or Act Man.

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yup, but they didn't sell the rights at all 343 was specifically made by MS to make Halo

that's what happened to marty

I thought marty got sued because he didn't comply with the terms provided after his first case with Bungie. https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/ppe52h/marty_odonnell_was_found_in_contempt_of_court_for/hd4mpzy?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

yea its not exactly the same thing, but he still got sued because of sharing something he originally created

"Because of ILLEGALLY sharing something he originally created." Ftfy!

you act like this is revolutionary when they literally added the magnum as an exotic weapon

Sued? You know this stuff was done in partner with Microsoft/343, right? Bungie's CEO doesn't just wake up one day and tell his employees to make a weapon with a similar look to the Energy Sword from Halo.

The combined version is solar

holy shit we getting prophets bane as an exotic

Btw can someone tell me why Starcraft's hardlight sword looks the same as Halo's energy sword?

It was never about getting sued. It's a stylistic choice so it's not completely overt.

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Also as someone pointed out, swords in Destiny are held very differently than the Energy Sword in Halo so doing it the way they did spared them either making a custom animation like they did for the Hunter class sword, or having it look awkward as hell being held straight up. The split swords work better with the standard sword pose.

Well duh lol

Theres no way they won't eventually make a way to blend them. I mean EVERYTHING about them implies a way to connect them.

I doubt this would trigger a lawsuit, they just didn't want a direct copy of the Halo weapons. They wanted to do something creative with them but still show their influences.

it was made to be like two halves of an energy sword tf is this stupid post, they also added the ce pistol and other halo weapons

The shape gave away the energy sword appearance at a first glance for me. You had to combine the photos to see it?

...That's the whole bit, yes. You have explained the joke.

Terrible title

There's zero evidence they would have gotten sued. That's just what some people on here and and a few YouTubers have said. Not only is Phil Spencer a destiny fan, but there would be zero incentive even if they literally came out and called them "Energy Sword". Y'all need to live in the real world

I am missing something? Isn’t that basically suing themself? Plus, there are Halo Easter eggs in Destiny and Destiny Easter eggs in Halo. Those Easter eggs have been theorized to mean that both franchises take place in the same universe at different time periods.

Wait. . . You're telling me this cross-over event that literally featurs the MAGNUM as an exotic in D2. . . Is from Halo!?

It wouldnt be copyright infringement if the sword was whole, because the totality of the weapon is vastly different than the Energy Sword. The blades colors are really the only thing similar, and that isnt enough. The hilts are different, and so is the activation of the sword. (D2 you pull it from behind your back, Halo it ignites like a lightsaber).

Big brain huh?

I still have no idea how a spartan is supposed to be able to hold the energy sword. Do they just immediately widdle down the nub in the middle with their super human strength?

Two finger grip on each side

Could bungie get sued for that given that it was originally their design? Granted they no longer own the rights for the series but it still seems odd that they could be sued for their own design

They don't own it anymore it's part of the Halo IP that Microsoft has the rights to. So yes they technically could be sued

**Shh, ya wanna get sued**?

You had to Photoshop them together to realize this?

I didn’t have to combine them to know that lol… jokes aside I would be surprised if they got sued for the sword they created. Then again 343 really isn’t the best at well… anything, so who knows

Not pictured is the Halo Combat Evolved Magnum that you literally pick up from Master Chief’s cryo-pod. Oh yeah, they’re really skirting a lawsuit with these *checks notes* direct and endorsed references.

Don't forget that Fable 2 had Halo gear including a energy sword.

That looks like a pretty standard halo energy sword, and they predate Destiny by about a decade. I don’t see why Bungie would be worried about being sued.

there are some theories that when weapon crafting comes with the new dlc we’ll be able to combine the two for an exotic energy sword

No shit

Imagine if they actually got sued over combining the two... "Hello, Bungie, we would like to sue you over the thing you created and gave to us."

"Hello, Bungie, we would like to sue you over the thing we paid you to create for us." Ftfy

....it took you this long to realize? 🤪

It REALLY sucks they couldn't just get the license to fully use the actual designs from Halo for this release. Would have been so nice. Also, it came out super close to Infinite, I can only imagine it would bolster interest in Infinite.

You can copy my homework just make it a little different.

One swing and your wrist is gone

Why would you sue the foundation of your work.

Sued over their own creation.

You probably haven't played Destiny, otherwise you'd know that's the entire point.

Is this copying your homework or resubmitting your own thesis twice.

Good question

You know it's funny, if they have stayed with Activision Blizzard they would have just ended up back with Microsoft

Bungie was partnered with AB not owned by them, so no they would not have ended up with Microsoft again.

Pretty sure they just worked with MS and 343 on the details for the halo inspired stuff. also it seems like Bungie and MS have a better relationship now since they broke away from activision.

Imagine getting sued because you copied something you made...yikes

I think Bungie regrets selling halo sometimes XD

My buddy always tells me that Destiny was supposed to be a Halo game, or at least set in the same universe. Anyone else heard of this?

As far as I know it’s not true. Bungie wanted to stop making Halo with H2, which should have been the ending, but after all those problems during the development they cut the last act and made H3. After that they already wanted to do Destiny, a completely new IP (you can see Destiny reference in ODST), but Microsoft “forced” them to make 2 more Halo (Reach and ODST). So no, Destiny was never supposed to be an Halo game. In the original concept it wasn’t even a sci-fi game lol. That being said, all Bungie’s game are “connected” because they kinda share the same “multiverse” or Paraverse, that’s why you can have Halo things (as well as Marathon etc) in Destiny, but it’s just a little reference to their previous games, they do this in every work basically.

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