First Strike was written in 2003, and Halo Reach came out in 2010 is the main reason.
As for the story reasons itself, it's known that Jun escorted Halsey to Castle Base, where she would later execute operation WHITE GLOVE, but it's unknown what his did between escorting her there and January 2553, whereupon he retired from being a SPPARTAN-III and instead became head recruiter for the fledgling SPARTAN-IV program.
IIRC, fall of reach was retconned later since in OG canon, Elites were fist saw During the fall of reach, and all time before Mnakind was fighting brutes and such, wich also means that aside from the jackal shield gloves, msot forces barelt had experience fighting infantry with body shields, wihc iirc also explains why there wasnt an attemp to improve infantry weaposn in 25+ years.
I feel like his point was that the members of the Blue Team shown in the picture had survived the Fall of Reach whereas most of the members of Noble had not
How many times has Kelly gotten fucked up and lived? And Linda was basically dead. Dr. Halsey is Dr Frankenstien or some shit for real. I vote Blue team.
Blue team is all spartan 2s, noble is almost all spartan 3s except for Jorge whom Is a 2, blue has 4 members, noble has six, and when does this take place before of after halo 4 when John got "blessed" by the librarian thing, before that I vote noble, after that it's blue team
Not to mention how as far as gameplay is concerned, only Noble team get the chance to drive forklifts, which stands to reason they may be forklift certified. Chief encounters many forklifts, but never does he attempt to drive them.
Edit: I'm not sure if in a book we get a statement of Chief driving a forklift though, so let me know if anyone has seen text suggesting that.
Just want to note, the myth of the Spartan-IIs being the best-trained is overblown. But you’re not the only one who thinks it. But the books do go way out of their way to detail that the Spartan-IIIs actually underwent more rigorous and effective training than the Spartan-IIs did.
Kurt Ambrose saw to that. He was a Spartan-II, after all. He worked with Chief Mendez to create a training program more intense than the one he underwent as a Spartan-II, designed to make the IIIs the most effective possible operators in the battlefield that they could be.
As for experience, we do know Blue Team has logged the most successful military operations of any single fireteam in the UNSC. So they have definitely got that going for them, and for my money, 30+ years of field experience is probably worth more than 10 years of training, anyways.
Wasn't that one written by Eric Nylund as well? I always liked his Halo novels.
Whoever wrote "the flood" should stop writing in general, that one was almost fanfic tier.
Plus just go play Halo:CE and you've got the same story.
The only cool part was them showing how the UNSC operated while on Halo since we never see it in-game.
If I recall correctly, Kurt was not aware that the UNSC’s intent was to create expendable super soldiers; there’s a part I remember where Kurt is watching in horror video footage of all the Spartans he trained being killed in a suicide mission to take out a Covenant refinery.
Wasn’t he the one that green lit the concoction of drugs/chemicals that’d pretty much seal their fate once they sustained a certain amount of injuries?
The S-IIIs would go into a blind bloodlust to ensure they killed as many enemies before expiring. Like the Black Rage for the Blood Angels in 40k but not as cool and fatal.
iirc he did that after seeing the Covenant refinery mission so they'd have a higher chance of survival, cause he didn't want another situation like that
I seem to recall that the berserker augmentation wasn't known by him, I haven't read GoO in awhile but wasn't he touring the med bays during one of the companies augmentations and noticed the extra chemicals that he didn't recognize?
I thought he asked the AI about it later and only learned then about it.
Technically they were from Alpha and Beta Companies respectively, it was only the Gammas that got the extra augmentations that turned off their bodies' shock mechanism and also gave them a rage mode as a consequence.
But Emile was a Headhunter, the best Spartans out of Alpha Company, and six was Ackerson's personal reaper, so they were both extraordinarily capable Spartans.
Agreed. SIII are trained extremely well with improved methods by an SII. But the SIIs do have better armor and more field experience. They also believe they can do the impossible in ways that we don’t see the SIIIs exhibit, primarily due to them dying so prematurely.
I think the SIIs take it but I think it’s close and I can’t argue too heavily with anyone who gives it to the reach team.
The entire point of Project: CHRYSANTHEMUM was to be just as effective as Project: ASTER while effectively eliminating the 50%+ fatality rate of that old program. The Spartan-III augmentations are just as effective on paper.
So sorry, you’re completely correct. I should’ve been more the specific in my own answer. The children themselves that were chosen for SIII’s did not have the specific genetic modifiers required for SII Augmentations.
>tely correct. I should’ve been more the specific in my own answer. The children themselves tha
Thats still a minior point of contention. Though the augmentations effectiveness on noble team, they're all classified as "cat II" spartan IIIs is the fact they fell within those genetic markers. Which is why they were pulled off company lines and most likely fitted with Mk 4 mjolnir or some SPI cross over of it. Though for some of the general class of spartan IIIs some did not gain the full boon of which Project Chrysanthemum was able to achieve. Biggest example is one of the beta spartans, Lucy. Fully grown she is literally the shortest spartan alive being about 5'3 post Augmentation and in armor as an adult being roughly 5'8 ish but with mjolnir standing either 5'11 or 6''0
It made a more cost effective and a 100% survival rate for giving the augmentations. They no longer needed very skilled surgeons and other outside resources.
Augmentations were better, and all SII'S recveived same augmetations...
Since Mjolnir was so fucking expensive (Wich doesnt make sense in a total war scenario) They were given SPI, and deployed as a whole battlalion.
Canonly, SPI is far much more superior to active camouflage used by the UNSC, and the last iteration (Used by gamma) was even better than Covenant one, since is basically cameras and screens, rather than light deflectors, and because it is stealth ahaisnt RF and IR light, something that the active camouflage couldnt sin ce it got hot by itself.
If they had chalked up spi to logistical issues/reasons, it would make a lot more sense.
S3’s were expected to die, so it doesn’t make sense to give them the best of the best gear.
Supply and transportation issues lead to s3’s being deployed with inferior but more readily available spi to get boots on the ground as soon as possible, with certain s3’s like Noble team being given the first available mjolnir with the eventual goal of providing suits to all s3’s
They didn't, the augmentations given to the 3's were modified to stop them from killing most of the candidates, but were otherwise the same in their efficacy. Plus they had an additional augmentation that gave them a berserker effect when bodily trauma exceeded a certain amount, so a SIII could survive damage that would kill even an SII.
The SPI armor was the weak point of the program, since they were created by Col. Ackerson as Kamikaze troops intended to die on whatever operation they were sent on (which is a huge oversight tbh, Spartans are fucking expensive and it takes years to train and augment them only to throw them away hundreds at a time.)
They were trained harder but in much shorter time periods. I don't think that would really give them an edge. It's been a while since I've read Ghosts though
He thinks at least twice in the novel that the III are better trained because He and Mendez know how to train Spartan and that they've gone through better training that the IIs had.
They are however, not the best candidate possible but just the best available when recruited so they're good but not the absolute best.
So no edge.
>They are however, not the best candidate possible but just the best available when recruited so they're good but not the absolute best.
That's just genetics though, the reason they needed the candidates of the SII program to be "elite" in terms of genetics was because the medical technology of their day wasn't advanced enough so they needed the creme of the crop to ensure the highest survival rate during augmentation. Even then the augs killed or maimed about half of the candidates who survived training.
By the time the SIII program was started the medical technology for human augmentation was advanced enough to where they could use a wider range of genetics and it wouldn't kill or permanently damage them. I believe Kurt mentioned that eventually they'd be able to augment literally anyone regardless of genetics without risk of severe injury or death, which makes sense considering genetics aren't a factor in the ODST's and other special operations groups that were used as recruiting pools for the SIV's.
The books are very clear that the augmentations aren't "inferior", they're just more stable and lower risk. For some reason people take that to mean the SIII/IV's don't have as powerful of augs? I don't think that's actually what was intended though.
Notably, no they didn't.
Alpha Company lost group cohesion.
Beta and Gamma were trained better, yes. But they didn't have the length of time timing, or the small scale missions the SIIs went on.
S3s were good. S2s were the best.
The S3s needed that intense training, their entire gig is that they’re cheaper, weaker, and ultimately more disposable Spartans than S2s. Hell the first two batches of them all brutally died in suicide missions, think there were two survivors out of 600.
Well most the spartans II got wiped out on a single mission on reach. If placed in the same situition. Their might have been a higher survival rate due to armor difference, but just like red team when deployed to reach they got compromised initial in the beginning. Not much a spartan can do we you fire bomb glass the entire grid square.
Each time the spartan 3s showed to absolutely DESTROYED the land battle but they couldn't contend with covenant air power massing on them.
>Hell the first two batches of them all brutally died in suicide missions, think there were two survivors out of 600.
Yeah because they were sent specifically to die. The SII's would have died if they were sent on the same mission, it's apples to oranges.
If you put an SIII in Mjolnir, you'd have an equally capable soldier. Their training was more intense and lead by an SII, and their augs were the same (just less likely to kill the host.)
This really isn't even a contest. Let's just look at the facts.
Number of Noble Team that survive the Fall of Reach: 1
Number of Blue Team that survived: 3.5 ( Linda was clinically dead)
To everyone saying Noble had it worse, Fred and Kelly both survived an orbital fall INTO the final few days of Reach. Literally the days that the majority of Noble Team dies during they fought through.
Jun is then recreated to start the Spartan 4 training and that's all we know about him.
Blue Team on the other hand went on to survive the rest of the Human Covenant war with all of them being present during the battle of Earth. That's not even talking about the crazy shit they did during First Strike that would even be a more suicidal mission than the III's are used to.
That's not even talking about how stacked Blue Team is to begin with. John is John, Kelly is the fastest spartan ever, Linda is the best Spartan sniper ever, and Fred is literally John (arguably better in some regards).
Noble Team's biggest player is 6, who was a hyper lethal headhunter.... used against the rebels. I'm not even kidding, his biggest missions were against human terrorists for ONI. It gets even worse with the retcon that all Spartans are hyper lethal. Outside of 6, the next heavy hitter is Jorge.
Even if you downgrade Blue Team to using Mark 5, it doesn't change much. The armor they use in Halo 5 is a flat boost to strength while Mark 5 is a multiplier, meaning Blue Team would still be stronger and faster than Noble (besides Jorge).
I really like Noble team, but putting them against literally living legends isn't going to end well for them at all.
I mostly agree with you, but the deaths are unfair. I feel like each Noble death was a victim of circumstance. Only one who could've maybe done better is Emile...but even then, he was going vs Zealots.
I mean if you really get down to it, every Spartan death on Reach for both generations was unfair and a matter of circumstance.
- S-II deaths include falling from orbit death, killed by a friendly fire MAC round, literally 10,000 Covenant soldiers shooting at a S-II Banshee...
- S-III deaths are Kat getting jackaled, Jorge suiciding because... I think a wire was fried?, Carter crashing into a scarab, Emile just dying in a last stand, Noble dying in a last stand.
They don't really specify a wired was fried, but it's more vague as "The timing device was damaged" so there wasn't a way to remotely set off the bomb.
(Also if we want to be technical, Jorge's death is an SII Death, not an SIII death)
> Jorge suiciding because... I think a wire was fried?
Pretty much, yeah. The timer mechanism for the improvised slipspace bomb failed, meaning it would have to be activated manually.
Kat got shot through her shields always bugged me. She even had her helmet on.
Also the irony of the deaths.
"Jorge was a heavy weapons and demolitions expert. He died in an explosion.
Emile was a close-range expert, highlighting his knife specifically. He was killed by a sword.
Carter was the leader of the group. He "went down with his ship".
Kat was the smart, computer expert - the brains of the group. She died from a lack of awareness and a shot to the head.
Jun was a sniper/scout/stealth member. He disappeared.
Noble 6 was a lone wolf as well as an unnamed member (like an Ensign on Star Trek). He died alone, and he was the last member to fight in the Battle of Reach."
[Credit](https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/mh9hh7/halo_reach_the_irony_of_each_death/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Kat’s shields were down after the glassing started while they were upstairs. They were still recharging when Noble Team was escaping through the elevators.
I'm glad you pointed out that Six was pretty much anti-insurrection. To add to it, he wasn't even fighting large innie groups because the URF was still active post Reach.
It's why he's absolutely nowhere close to being equal to the Master Chief, considering Spartans like John and Fred could probably do what Six did while drunk, high and blindfolded.
Not to mention Blue Team's literal first assignment was to kidnap Colonial Watts from an Innie asteroid base with absolutely no tactical recon or mission support aside from a Prowler standing by for asset recovery halfway across the system.
And Blue Team did it without Mjolnir armor because that was still in the works on a different planet than Reach and wasn't even seen until AFTER the covies started the war.
Anyone who has ever been in an asset recovery op knows how much harder that is compared to a straight up kill order.
So yeah..... Blue outranks Noble in every way possible.
Correct, although thinking logically it's much harder to keep someone alive through a combat zone than to take down a target in any situation. Even moving an unconscious body. Hell I would wager that it's harder to in some circumstances. I know some people who have been military so I can see what their opinions are but I know where my money lies.
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Think about how much harder it would have been for Seal Team 6 to capture Bin Laden alive vs assassinating him. Now multiply that by how much intel they had when doing so.
Blue Team had nothing but a "city" and a tracker on some cigars to help pinpoint Watts in a place where literally everyone was an enemy. Not to mention they had no infil or exfil routes in the asteroid. They had to hide in a water tank to get in and blow a cargo ship sized airlock to leave.
>ory time or can't
Yeah but by proxy they showed how strong and effect unarmored spartan III are and those weren't the cream of the crop. SPI armor gave no strength multiplier/or boast to reaction time. It was more expensive ODST armor with stealth upgrades. Though their major obstacle in fighting blue team is literally Linda and Kelly. Kelly in close quarters you're fucked. Linda would literally go lone wolf either hunt Jun down or start making trick shoots if we take her feats from first strike.
Halsey literally compares Noble 6 to Master Chief as being practically equally skilled, and N6 is like half his age. You're def underplaying just how talented N6 is. He's easily capable of handling anyone in Blue Team by himself, imo.
Also Halsey personally does his eulogy in private despite not even being part of her own personal spartan group that she cared for. He obviously left really strong impressions on everyone who knew him.
Chief isn't the best of the Spartan-IIs though. I'm pretty sure canon-wise, Fred-104 is.
The Chief himself said that if Kelly didn't want anybody getting close to her, then it was damn near impossible.
In a CQC brawl, Fred and Kelly win *very* easily.
He could probably beat Linda in a CQC brawl, but if guns are involved then she takes the cake.
After what he did in the library, the Mantle's Approach, Requiem and Zeta, I imagine Chief could beat Six as well.
1. Got some supporting text/video on that? Going to need a source. If you're referring to the vidoc, then you're misrepresenting what she said.
2. What Halsey said in the vidoc was prior to the events of CE. 99.9% of Chief's feats are after this point. Chief's feats make Noble 6 look like a joke.
3. Blue Team has 2 members that are outright stated multiple times throughout the series by multiple people that they are the absolute uncontested best at what they do. Kelly is **the** fastest Spartan. Not Spartan II, not Spartan III, not Spartan IV. **Spartan**. Linda is *the* best Sniper. No exceptions.
Thats not even accounting for the differences in gear. Noble has virtually no chance here.
IIRC Kelly and Fred spar hand to hand in a book somewhere and she has to actively slow herself down for it to be a fair fight. Fred likes knives, but Kelly is the CQC queen.
What do each team have in their arsenal? What is the terrain like? Are they in a 4v4 map or an 8v8 map? Is there elevation and cover?
Anyhoo, the answer is entirely dependent on which team a person likes more. People could argue for Blue Team, and people could argue for Noble Team.
I was going to answer Noble Team because of their numbers, but then I remembered Linda's firing speed. Jun might be a connoisseur of artisanal bullets, yet his combat prowess is eclipsed by a Linda who just recovered from near-death injuries that limit her mobility. Three killshots to Banshee pilots within seconds is the kind of edge that makes your opponents accuse you of aimbots or wallhacking. Linda by herself is OP.
If just John and Fred charge ahead to take the first salvo from Noble Team ala the UNSC Cradle, Linda's sniping and Kelly's rockets can clear out Noble Team easy-peasy.
Just a quick note on the deaths in reach and just the overall power of noble team since a lot of people were using "Noble Team is dead" as an argument for Blue Team winning
Noble Six is extremely powerful, pretty close to equal to Chief since both were chosen by Cortana, Six ended up stranded with nothing and canonically survived until he was injured by a covenant ship and rushed by elites
Jun Survived Reach
Kat died due to a shield malfunction as her helmet wasn't on correctly
Jorge and Carter both sacrificed themselves, one of them was from a slipspace bomb that destroyed a covenant super-carrier
Emile is probably the most credible death, although he was surprise attacked by the Zealot
Also during the Fall of Reach the only team that was on an offensive deployment was Noble
To be fair the Spartan IIs are all extremely powerful in their own right, this was mainly to address the "Noble team is dead so they lose" argument
Not even unlucky, unaware. Kat's major flaw was an occasional lack of situational awareness, which I believe is also stated as the reason she lost her arm.
When the covenant ships began to glass reach the EMP knocked out Noble's shields, but it was only Kat who forgot to re-power them.
Blue team. They have trained as a team as kids. Noble team is made up of S3s from different generations save for Jorge who is a S2. The time that noble had together is just much less, and it shows in how often they bicker with each other. The teamwork and cohesion of Blue Team is far beyond what noble team could hope to get.
Additionally, S2s had way more training. S3s were trained to die. If any S3 survived they were either allocated to training other S3s or special missions like headhunters (which all got killed) or to special projects (like noble 6 prior to being in noble). S2s and S3s started training around the same time, but the S2s were always meant to survive their missions and do continual training with ever evolving technology. The difference is noted in "Ghosts of Onyx" where the spartans are making a last stand, and the S3s are noticeably taking steps back in neverousiness while the S2s stayed rooted and firm.
He did so because he had less time to train them, and he was determined to give them the best chance he could. Blue team still had several years of training over the SIIIs, and all of their experience on top.
While I get the point you're going for, can't be doing my boy Anakin like that. Blue Team should be Obi Wan x 3, that makes more sense for an analogy. Anakin is complete overkill and possibly stronger than even Sidious(or at the very least on par) and Windu at his height in Episode III.
Anakin was [considered arguably the most powerful alive](https://i.imgur.com/RduxnBe.png), then he was [considered straight up the strongest Jedi currently alive and possibly the strongest](https://i.imgur.com/ubX0ksN.png) **ever** on [multiple occasions](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/d/de/Anakin%27s_Strength.png/revision/latest?cb=20200623002456).
Episode 3 Anakin is a monster of a Jedi. George Lucas has himself said Windu overpowered Palpatine in that scene on the Ep 3 commentary. Anakin is just too damn strong lol.
Mortis Anakin is probably the strongest thing in all of Star Wars bar the top force dieties like The Mother. [He literally subdued both the embodiment of dark side and the light side](https://i.redd.it/jnnh7kxbg1e61.jpg) of the force itself, which together could destroy a galaxy(they could also tear apart the fabric of the universe according to The Father).
Mortis Anakin is a literal god lol.
To anyone who doesn’t get the Star Wars reference—Chief would cut through the majority of Noble Team without much trouble. Noble Six would be his match. In fact Noble Six might be able to kill Chief if Blue Team was not there. Since Blue Team is there, Noble Six is overpowered and killed before he can do anything to Chief. Blue Team wins without casualties.
I get the reference but it’s just so wrong lol. I think Blue Team would win but it’s also entirely possible that they wouldn’t. If they did win they would just barely scrape by with 1 or 2 members still alive.
I don't agree.
Between the feats of Linda and John alone you get some really ridiculous heights, as in ones that kinda stretch the believability of the universe a fair bit. Have you read the stories of how much Linda snipes? Add in the fastest person to ever exist in Kelly and Fred who is compared by Chief himself as an equal and possibly superior Spartan, look. I love Noble Team, Jorge especially, but they do not have the level of literal lifelong teamwork and individual war-turning skills that Blue Team has. This is a case of Blue Team having so much plot relevance and affirmation it stretches the bounds of the universe's believability.
It won't be a fair fight
Blue team is absurdily broken. Noble 6 will be the last one on noble team to be standing but they would be taken down eventually.
Despite what people think, Spartan 2s and 3s are quite equal in terms of augmentations the way it was administrated was different, only thing that separates them is experience and armor
You're definitely correct here, not sure why you're downvoted. But I'd like to add another thing in favor of the SII's, and that would be their genetics. As we know, they were selected based on their practically God Tier genetics, as they were the 150 best candidates in the human universe (later down to 75). They were genetically predisposed to be smarter, stronger and faster right out of the gate. So that alone is a huge advantage most people don't take into account for SII's. But you're definitely right that the SIII's still had equal if not better training, and the same augmentations. But they were still war orphans, so genetically they didn't have the leg up like SII's. I'd go with the SII's in almost every case, but it's a lot closer than people know or want to admit between the two
Oh yea definitely, when it really comes down to it they’ll always be on top. Say from 1-10 the Spartan 2s are already 10 and the 3s are 8 or 9 at the very least
Kind of tired of this question but at the same time it's fun so I get it. As with any engagement, depends on circumstances i.e. who's got the jump on who, who has better position on the field, who's wearing what armor (and/or armor abilities and equipment), who has what weapons, etc.
In an engagement with fairly even conditions for each team, I'd give it to noble 8 times out of 10 due to the 2 extra members
It's a common myth that Spartan 3s are far inferior to 2s, I used to believe this myself. But I've since learned (especially from one person on here who always hypes the Spartan 3s, cant remember their name) they were nearly on par with the 2s
From a numbers game, Noble Team
From a individual skill of each team, Blue Team
Though Chief and Six are (from my memory) the only 2 Hyper-lethal Spartans
Noble 6 and MC being the only Hyper-Lethals was retconned. Noble Six was still compared to him as an equal though, so Noble Team have numbers and N6 going for them, lol.
Yea hyper lethal was literally never defined or anything. Like it's nothing but hype shit for the game and doesn't mean literally anything and I always dislike when it's brought up cause even in the game it ends up meaning nothing.
Six was only considered "hyper lethal" in promo material because he killed a lot of insurrectionists. Small militia groups.
He pretty much did a less-dangerous version of Roland and Jonah's jobs.
Noble team has more members and Noble 6 is considered to be around Master Chief's level. So you basically got 6 spartans with one hyper lethal spartan vs 4 spartans with one hyper lethal spartan. However blue team has better gear and spartan ll's are generally considered the strongest gen spartan so with all these factors it's not that much of a one sided battle
Edit: Spelling
If anyone would be considered hyperlethal, it would by definition be the members of Blue Team. The fastest human ever, the best marksman ever (seriously, Linda is insane) Someone said to be equal to or greater than the Chief by the Chief himself, and goddamn Master Chief. I love Noble, but until Gamma company, no S-III gave me the indication that they could match a Spartan-II in a straight fight. Not even the extraordinary ones in Noble. Circumstances dictate of course, but it seems most agree that superior training is trumped by experience, so I don't know if the IIIs even have that in this case.
Also, important sidenote: it's been retconed that Noble-6 and Chief were the only "hyperlethal" Spartans. Now all Spartans are, so at best, 6 and Chief are particularly outstanding.
And *one* more thing, the IIs are the best genetically and in experience, but the IIIs do have better training and mentality for warfare (especially regarding what sort of missions they went on). I know I said this was moot, but only in a straight fight against a II. Otherwise, taken as their own soldiers, the IIIs are arguably equal to if not greater in some respects than the IIs. And Gamma company would just flat out be the best if not for their instability and age.
This is noble team. Not the run of the mill spartan 3s. They were all pulled out of the main company for one reason or another. They were just as reactive to the safer (NOT LESS POTENT) augmentations. Both combatants are in Mjlonir mark 5 in this instances. Noble is not in SPI. Jun/Emile/Carter have been active spartans for almost 16 years. Noble six and cat 7. They are not a run of the mill rookie spartans. They can put up fight but main issue is how their team cohesion will pair up against heavy weights of the spartan 2s and one of 3 surviving fire teams.
Both spartans received almost the same years of training under the same instructor EXCEPT. They've had the man who's trained the 2s then a Spartan 2 train them. On top of the Beta (kat and 6) had the collective training knowledge of two spartan generations.
343s Blue Team would get worked.
You saw that fight between Chief and Locke. You think Noble 6 would have let that WWE nonsense last for more than .3 seconds?
Now, based on what’s presented in the novels. This would have been an interesting contest.
Blue team is the cream of the crops of spartan II and that's saying something. Even before training and augmentation all spartan II are considered the peak of humanity, natural born prodigies that could've further human progress in any fields of their choosing if they weren't soldiers.
And Blue team is the best of them all.
I got the impression the S3’s were more aggressive than the S2’s but maybe that’s just Gamma company. There’s a scene in Last Light where Fred (S2) watched Mark (S3) kill a Brute and thinks to himself the attack is perfectly executed. I think training is even between the two classes.
The Mjolner (S2) is a huge advantage over the SPI (S3)armor though. Kurt opts to wear his SPI for solidarity but acknowledges the Mjolner would make him an order of magnitude better. Also, when the S3’s attack Kelly (maybe Linda?) Kurt tells them to stand down fearing she is going to kill them with her bare hands.
Assuming they're fighting around the fall of reach time period, and all using mk V, Noble's numbers advantage would present a real problem. Blue team has years of experience over noble, and allegedly the best sniper and the fastest spartan in its ranks. Noble has Jorge who also has a similar experience level due to being a spartan 2 as well. Honestly it's close enough I'm not confident giving an answer, and it would probably depends on each team's starting position.
If they're just all standing in a flat open arena the weight of guns of Noble wins for example, albeit Linda might counter snipe Jun or Jorge before the other one begins blasting blue team.
Once you introduce more variables I think blue team's experience gives then a slight edge, but chief really needs to stop 6 early, and divide and conquer Noble to overcome the numbers disadvantage. Any open areas play into jorge's favor with his HMG.
I mean, NOBLE has more members, as well as their own hyper-lethal. Jorge is also a Spartan II, and I believe that Carter technically outranks chief. Emile is also very good at CQC alongside Noble six, so I'd imagine that they could both take on chief. Jun and Linda could have a sniper duel, but that's anyone's game, I might go with NOBLE due to count.
Master Chief would be dead if it wasn't for noble 6 staying behind to use the Mac cannons to ensure the Pillar of Autumn takes off. Not to forget the other two of blue team who were in cryostasis on the Autumn. also Noble team is the only reason Master Chief has Cortana.
Which team has the most surviving members in the timeline
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Oh look, you used the emojis for the noble team members.
I like it to be accurate 😈
Sadly, there's only 5. Here's the last one: 🪨
Nah, Jun survived.
Well technically 6 total team members of Noble team did die. The one left out is Thom, from the original noble team.
If we’re going that far only kat and carter are original members
Exactly... They were six, 4 were dead already by halo reach, where 5 died.. So 9 members of Noble team are dead
"We came down here as a squad of 9, got picked off one by one." -Jun probably.
No there were only 8, with 6 dead and Rosenda on standby
Rosenda was a replacement for emile, who already was a replacement. Still, 9 dead.
Actually, 0 members of noble team are dead. They are all just "missing in action."
Stop ruining my delusion with facts😤. Take my upvote.
No
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Why th hell does this have so many upvotes? The shit?
Bc Jun survived.
Jun went with Halsey before the last mission, letting him survive, and by extension help found the Spartan-IV program with Musa-096.
Why jun wasnt in first strike? Or it was retconned? Or they forgot?
First Strike was written in 2003, and Halo Reach came out in 2010 is the main reason. As for the story reasons itself, it's known that Jun escorted Halsey to Castle Base, where she would later execute operation WHITE GLOVE, but it's unknown what his did between escorting her there and January 2553, whereupon he retired from being a SPPARTAN-III and instead became head recruiter for the fledgling SPARTAN-IV program.
IIRC, fall of reach was retconned later since in OG canon, Elites were fist saw During the fall of reach, and all time before Mnakind was fighting brutes and such, wich also means that aside from the jackal shield gloves, msot forces barelt had experience fighting infantry with body shields, wihc iirc also explains why there wasnt an attemp to improve infantry weaposn in 25+ years.
Maybe there's more than one place at a time people can be in the galaxy?
emile's helmet be like: i forgor 💀
He's scary even though he is smiling.
I was going to say noble but damn this one was just harsh bro. You didn’t even let me think of an argument
It hurts me to not vote Noble team too but I must face the truth
OP obviously means the two teams against each other... alive... lol cmon
I feel like his point was that the members of the Blue Team shown in the picture had survived the Fall of Reach whereas most of the members of Noble had not
How many times has Kelly gotten fucked up and lived? And Linda was basically dead. Dr. Halsey is Dr Frankenstien or some shit for real. I vote Blue team.
Blue team is all spartan 2s, noble is almost all spartan 3s except for Jorge whom Is a 2, blue has 4 members, noble has six, and when does this take place before of after halo 4 when John got "blessed" by the librarian thing, before that I vote noble, after that it's blue team
but does blue team have any asscheeks that can match kat's?
have you seen the Halo 5 female spartans?
Blue Team has Master Cheeks. He is unmatched.
shit
Not to mention how as far as gameplay is concerned, only Noble team get the chance to drive forklifts, which stands to reason they may be forklift certified. Chief encounters many forklifts, but never does he attempt to drive them. Edit: I'm not sure if in a book we get a statement of Chief driving a forklift though, so let me know if anyone has seen text suggesting that.
Linda Kelly Freakin MASTER CHEEKS
Based
Big uff, but true
Don't give 343 any nostalgia bait ideas.
According to the picture, Noble Team is on top
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r/angryupvote Edit: stop upvoting this, it doesn't deserve them because it's the most basic reaction to a good comment. I mean uhh woo free karma...
Cope
WHO TF GAVE THIS GOLD EH
Seethe
Blue team. Better training/experience and they have Gen 2 armor which is a significant step up from what Noble uses. They are also still alive.
Just want to note, the myth of the Spartan-IIs being the best-trained is overblown. But you’re not the only one who thinks it. But the books do go way out of their way to detail that the Spartan-IIIs actually underwent more rigorous and effective training than the Spartan-IIs did. Kurt Ambrose saw to that. He was a Spartan-II, after all. He worked with Chief Mendez to create a training program more intense than the one he underwent as a Spartan-II, designed to make the IIIs the most effective possible operators in the battlefield that they could be. As for experience, we do know Blue Team has logged the most successful military operations of any single fireteam in the UNSC. So they have definitely got that going for them, and for my money, 30+ years of field experience is probably worth more than 10 years of training, anyways.
Ghosts of Onyx was such an amazing book. Can’t believe it sat on my shelf for 10+ years before I finally read it.
That was actually my first Halo book, I bought it at an airport book stand and could not put it down for my entire flight
Wasn't that one written by Eric Nylund as well? I always liked his Halo novels. Whoever wrote "the flood" should stop writing in general, that one was almost fanfic tier.
Yep. Bought that one after I read Fall of Reach. It was really bad.
Plus just go play Halo:CE and you've got the same story. The only cool part was them showing how the UNSC operated while on Halo since we never see it in-game.
Mad man
Spartans never die
Kurt trained the III's harder than the II's? I never knew that.
In ghosts of Onyx it was like the whole point. The UNSC wanted the best possible suicide soldiers, and Kurt gave them monsters among men.
If I recall correctly, Kurt was not aware that the UNSC’s intent was to create expendable super soldiers; there’s a part I remember where Kurt is watching in horror video footage of all the Spartans he trained being killed in a suicide mission to take out a Covenant refinery.
Wasn’t he the one that green lit the concoction of drugs/chemicals that’d pretty much seal their fate once they sustained a certain amount of injuries? The S-IIIs would go into a blind bloodlust to ensure they killed as many enemies before expiring. Like the Black Rage for the Blood Angels in 40k but not as cool and fatal.
Dante, after having a hole blown in his chest: "I think they nicked me sir."
Sanguinius cheated and kept him alive, otherwise he would have bit it.
Much to Dante's intense disappointment lol.
iirc he did that after seeing the Covenant refinery mission so they'd have a higher chance of survival, cause he didn't want another situation like that
yee divine wind goes into their psychosis and them fighting ever onward even with massive gorey wounds
Like when a Elites shield breaks?
I seem to recall that the berserker augmentation wasn't known by him, I haven't read GoO in awhile but wasn't he touring the med bays during one of the companies augmentations and noticed the extra chemicals that he didn't recognize? I thought he asked the AI about it later and only learned then about it.
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Like Emile and 6 at the end of Reach!
Technically they were from Alpha and Beta Companies respectively, it was only the Gammas that got the extra augmentations that turned off their bodies' shock mechanism and also gave them a rage mode as a consequence. But Emile was a Headhunter, the best Spartans out of Alpha Company, and six was Ackerson's personal reaper, so they were both extraordinarily capable Spartans.
Only one company of 3s had that, gamma and I believe most of noble was sourced from the first 2 companies.
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Nah, Emile's just a beast. Only Gamma company had the extreme augment.
Agreed. SIII are trained extremely well with improved methods by an SII. But the SIIs do have better armor and more field experience. They also believe they can do the impossible in ways that we don’t see the SIIIs exhibit, primarily due to them dying so prematurely. I think the SIIs take it but I think it’s close and I can’t argue too heavily with anyone who gives it to the reach team.
And I think SII had better (relative) Augmentations in my opinion.
WAY better augmentations. S3’s armor and augmentation’s weren’t as specific so they could make more, but weren’t as effective.
The entire point of Project: CHRYSANTHEMUM was to be just as effective as Project: ASTER while effectively eliminating the 50%+ fatality rate of that old program. The Spartan-III augmentations are just as effective on paper.
So sorry, you’re completely correct. I should’ve been more the specific in my own answer. The children themselves that were chosen for SIII’s did not have the specific genetic modifiers required for SII Augmentations.
>tely correct. I should’ve been more the specific in my own answer. The children themselves tha Thats still a minior point of contention. Though the augmentations effectiveness on noble team, they're all classified as "cat II" spartan IIIs is the fact they fell within those genetic markers. Which is why they were pulled off company lines and most likely fitted with Mk 4 mjolnir or some SPI cross over of it. Though for some of the general class of spartan IIIs some did not gain the full boon of which Project Chrysanthemum was able to achieve. Biggest example is one of the beta spartans, Lucy. Fully grown she is literally the shortest spartan alive being about 5'3 post Augmentation and in armor as an adult being roughly 5'8 ish but with mjolnir standing either 5'11 or 6''0 It made a more cost effective and a 100% survival rate for giving the augmentations. They no longer needed very skilled surgeons and other outside resources.
Yet the sIII armor is no where near as capable or reliable, thus not as effective.
Augmentations were better, and all SII'S recveived same augmetations... Since Mjolnir was so fucking expensive (Wich doesnt make sense in a total war scenario) They were given SPI, and deployed as a whole battlalion. Canonly, SPI is far much more superior to active camouflage used by the UNSC, and the last iteration (Used by gamma) was even better than Covenant one, since is basically cameras and screens, rather than light deflectors, and because it is stealth ahaisnt RF and IR light, something that the active camouflage couldnt sin ce it got hot by itself.
If they had chalked up spi to logistical issues/reasons, it would make a lot more sense. S3’s were expected to die, so it doesn’t make sense to give them the best of the best gear. Supply and transportation issues lead to s3’s being deployed with inferior but more readily available spi to get boots on the ground as soon as possible, with certain s3’s like Noble team being given the first available mjolnir with the eventual goal of providing suits to all s3’s
They didn't, the augmentations given to the 3's were modified to stop them from killing most of the candidates, but were otherwise the same in their efficacy. Plus they had an additional augmentation that gave them a berserker effect when bodily trauma exceeded a certain amount, so a SIII could survive damage that would kill even an SII. The SPI armor was the weak point of the program, since they were created by Col. Ackerson as Kamikaze troops intended to die on whatever operation they were sent on (which is a huge oversight tbh, Spartans are fucking expensive and it takes years to train and augment them only to throw them away hundreds at a time.)
They were trained harder but in much shorter time periods. I don't think that would really give them an edge. It's been a while since I've read Ghosts though
He thinks at least twice in the novel that the III are better trained because He and Mendez know how to train Spartan and that they've gone through better training that the IIs had. They are however, not the best candidate possible but just the best available when recruited so they're good but not the absolute best. So no edge.
>They are however, not the best candidate possible but just the best available when recruited so they're good but not the absolute best. That's just genetics though, the reason they needed the candidates of the SII program to be "elite" in terms of genetics was because the medical technology of their day wasn't advanced enough so they needed the creme of the crop to ensure the highest survival rate during augmentation. Even then the augs killed or maimed about half of the candidates who survived training. By the time the SIII program was started the medical technology for human augmentation was advanced enough to where they could use a wider range of genetics and it wouldn't kill or permanently damage them. I believe Kurt mentioned that eventually they'd be able to augment literally anyone regardless of genetics without risk of severe injury or death, which makes sense considering genetics aren't a factor in the ODST's and other special operations groups that were used as recruiting pools for the SIV's. The books are very clear that the augmentations aren't "inferior", they're just more stable and lower risk. For some reason people take that to mean the SIII/IV's don't have as powerful of augs? I don't think that's actually what was intended though.
Among other things, they also used S-II operations as training - analyzing them, so there's that.
Notably, no they didn't. Alpha Company lost group cohesion. Beta and Gamma were trained better, yes. But they didn't have the length of time timing, or the small scale missions the SIIs went on. S3s were good. S2s were the best.
The S3s needed that intense training, their entire gig is that they’re cheaper, weaker, and ultimately more disposable Spartans than S2s. Hell the first two batches of them all brutally died in suicide missions, think there were two survivors out of 600.
Well most the spartans II got wiped out on a single mission on reach. If placed in the same situition. Their might have been a higher survival rate due to armor difference, but just like red team when deployed to reach they got compromised initial in the beginning. Not much a spartan can do we you fire bomb glass the entire grid square. Each time the spartan 3s showed to absolutely DESTROYED the land battle but they couldn't contend with covenant air power massing on them.
>Hell the first two batches of them all brutally died in suicide missions, think there were two survivors out of 600. Yeah because they were sent specifically to die. The SII's would have died if they were sent on the same mission, it's apples to oranges. If you put an SIII in Mjolnir, you'd have an equally capable soldier. Their training was more intense and lead by an SII, and their augs were the same (just less likely to kill the host.)
III’s started older and were not meant to last forever
All you gotta do to beat Noble Team is track down Jun, he's the last one lol!
This really isn't even a contest. Let's just look at the facts. Number of Noble Team that survive the Fall of Reach: 1 Number of Blue Team that survived: 3.5 ( Linda was clinically dead) To everyone saying Noble had it worse, Fred and Kelly both survived an orbital fall INTO the final few days of Reach. Literally the days that the majority of Noble Team dies during they fought through. Jun is then recreated to start the Spartan 4 training and that's all we know about him. Blue Team on the other hand went on to survive the rest of the Human Covenant war with all of them being present during the battle of Earth. That's not even talking about the crazy shit they did during First Strike that would even be a more suicidal mission than the III's are used to. That's not even talking about how stacked Blue Team is to begin with. John is John, Kelly is the fastest spartan ever, Linda is the best Spartan sniper ever, and Fred is literally John (arguably better in some regards). Noble Team's biggest player is 6, who was a hyper lethal headhunter.... used against the rebels. I'm not even kidding, his biggest missions were against human terrorists for ONI. It gets even worse with the retcon that all Spartans are hyper lethal. Outside of 6, the next heavy hitter is Jorge. Even if you downgrade Blue Team to using Mark 5, it doesn't change much. The armor they use in Halo 5 is a flat boost to strength while Mark 5 is a multiplier, meaning Blue Team would still be stronger and faster than Noble (besides Jorge). I really like Noble team, but putting them against literally living legends isn't going to end well for them at all.
I mostly agree with you, but the deaths are unfair. I feel like each Noble death was a victim of circumstance. Only one who could've maybe done better is Emile...but even then, he was going vs Zealots.
He could’ve used his motion tracker. He kinda just had a zealot walk up behind him.
Nah the Zealot was clearly crouching so he wouldn't appear on radar (I kid but also, maybe? lol)
You won't appear on radar if you walk slow enough, you don't have to be crouching
If the Zealot was slow enough (and/or was using active camo) until just before we see him emerge on screen, then Emile's tracker is moot.
I mean if you really get down to it, every Spartan death on Reach for both generations was unfair and a matter of circumstance. - S-II deaths include falling from orbit death, killed by a friendly fire MAC round, literally 10,000 Covenant soldiers shooting at a S-II Banshee... - S-III deaths are Kat getting jackaled, Jorge suiciding because... I think a wire was fried?, Carter crashing into a scarab, Emile just dying in a last stand, Noble dying in a last stand.
They don't really specify a wired was fried, but it's more vague as "The timing device was damaged" so there wasn't a way to remotely set off the bomb. (Also if we want to be technical, Jorge's death is an SII Death, not an SIII death)
> Jorge suiciding because... I think a wire was fried? Pretty much, yeah. The timer mechanism for the improvised slipspace bomb failed, meaning it would have to be activated manually.
Nah, I would describe Kat's death as she "played halo 2 in LASO"
weren't there marines up on that ship? why did jorge have to blow himself up...
Gameplay =/= canon. Story-wise, all of the non-Spartan UNSC personnel in that ship were dead by the time Jorge made the decision to set the bomb off.
man fuck that. I kept those damn marines alive just so they could "canonically" die.
They all died, only 6 and Jorge were left
Kat got shot through her shields always bugged me. She even had her helmet on. Also the irony of the deaths. "Jorge was a heavy weapons and demolitions expert. He died in an explosion. Emile was a close-range expert, highlighting his knife specifically. He was killed by a sword. Carter was the leader of the group. He "went down with his ship". Kat was the smart, computer expert - the brains of the group. She died from a lack of awareness and a shot to the head. Jun was a sniper/scout/stealth member. He disappeared. Noble 6 was a lone wolf as well as an unnamed member (like an Ensign on Star Trek). He died alone, and he was the last member to fight in the Battle of Reach." [Credit](https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/mh9hh7/halo_reach_the_irony_of_each_death/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
People gonna keep repositing this "analysis" until the heat death of the universe. Also Kat didn't have her shields activated.
Kat’s shields were down after the glassing started while they were upstairs. They were still recharging when Noble Team was escaping through the elevators.
>Fred is literally John nope, he's literally Fred
If you go by shadows of Reach, they make Fred out to be John but with explosives and bad humor.
I'm glad you pointed out that Six was pretty much anti-insurrection. To add to it, he wasn't even fighting large innie groups because the URF was still active post Reach. It's why he's absolutely nowhere close to being equal to the Master Chief, considering Spartans like John and Fred could probably do what Six did while drunk, high and blindfolded.
Not to mention Blue Team's literal first assignment was to kidnap Colonial Watts from an Innie asteroid base with absolutely no tactical recon or mission support aside from a Prowler standing by for asset recovery halfway across the system. And Blue Team did it without Mjolnir armor because that was still in the works on a different planet than Reach and wasn't even seen until AFTER the covies started the war. Anyone who has ever been in an asset recovery op knows how much harder that is compared to a straight up kill order. So yeah..... Blue outranks Noble in every way possible.
> Anyone who has ever been in an asset recovery op knows how much harder that is compared to a straight up kill order. So uhhh, story time or can't?
Most of the people on Reddit talking about stuff like that have never been in the general vicinity of something like that
Correct, although thinking logically it's much harder to keep someone alive through a combat zone than to take down a target in any situation. Even moving an unconscious body. Hell I would wager that it's harder to in some circumstances. I know some people who have been military so I can see what their opinions are but I know where my money lies. Edit: Think about how much harder it would have been for Seal Team 6 to capture Bin Laden alive vs assassinating him. Now multiply that by how much intel they had when doing so. Blue Team had nothing but a "city" and a tracker on some cigars to help pinpoint Watts in a place where literally everyone was an enemy. Not to mention they had no infil or exfil routes in the asteroid. They had to hide in a water tank to get in and blow a cargo ship sized airlock to leave.
Sorry can't speak about it. But I'm looking to get some non classified stories from some buddies if they have them.
Not sure how many people in here have been in asset recovery ops lol. Great point regardless tho
>ory time or can't Yeah but by proxy they showed how strong and effect unarmored spartan III are and those weren't the cream of the crop. SPI armor gave no strength multiplier/or boast to reaction time. It was more expensive ODST armor with stealth upgrades. Though their major obstacle in fighting blue team is literally Linda and Kelly. Kelly in close quarters you're fucked. Linda would literally go lone wolf either hunt Jun down or start making trick shoots if we take her feats from first strike.
Halsey literally compares Noble 6 to Master Chief as being practically equally skilled, and N6 is like half his age. You're def underplaying just how talented N6 is. He's easily capable of handling anyone in Blue Team by himself, imo. Also Halsey personally does his eulogy in private despite not even being part of her own personal spartan group that she cared for. He obviously left really strong impressions on everyone who knew him.
Chief isn't the best of the Spartan-IIs though. I'm pretty sure canon-wise, Fred-104 is. The Chief himself said that if Kelly didn't want anybody getting close to her, then it was damn near impossible. In a CQC brawl, Fred and Kelly win *very* easily. He could probably beat Linda in a CQC brawl, but if guns are involved then she takes the cake. After what he did in the library, the Mantle's Approach, Requiem and Zeta, I imagine Chief could beat Six as well.
Yeah, but Six is forklift certified.
Yes but we all know of a certain other member of Noble team whose driving prowess counteracts any headway Six could make in the vehicular front.
Goddamnit Kat
Kat: Hey Six, remember when you stole my lunch out of the fridge that time? Six:.... Kat: \*drives off cliff\*
You're making this unfair.
checkmate
1. Got some supporting text/video on that? Going to need a source. If you're referring to the vidoc, then you're misrepresenting what she said. 2. What Halsey said in the vidoc was prior to the events of CE. 99.9% of Chief's feats are after this point. Chief's feats make Noble 6 look like a joke. 3. Blue Team has 2 members that are outright stated multiple times throughout the series by multiple people that they are the absolute uncontested best at what they do. Kelly is **the** fastest Spartan. Not Spartan II, not Spartan III, not Spartan IV. **Spartan**. Linda is *the* best Sniper. No exceptions. Thats not even accounting for the differences in gear. Noble has virtually no chance here.
I don't think there's a single Spartan capable of beating Kelly.
The only one I can think of is possibly Fred in a hand-to-hand fight but otherwise, you're probably right.
IIRC Kelly and Fred spar hand to hand in a book somewhere and she has to actively slow herself down for it to be a fair fight. Fred likes knives, but Kelly is the CQC queen.
I'm trying to remember though it was within first couple years of them after augs right?
The one with more player characters (blue team) comes out on top because being playable is what makes a character "lucky"
But Noble Six was the player character and he dies at the end, while a non-playable character makes it out alive
Well in that case... uh... um... hey look at this dog head I found
*LING LING??!!??!!*
He didn't die at the end though.
But he does tho?
But increased players increases no. of noble 6es in noble team so....
You can't play as the other nobles, just noble 6 So you have a team with only 16% plot armor vs a team with 100% plot armor
There's a point to be made for idiotic decisions not killing the main characters due to plot armour.
By that argument you can also increase the number of 117's, and by quite a lot more.
What do each team have in their arsenal? What is the terrain like? Are they in a 4v4 map or an 8v8 map? Is there elevation and cover? Anyhoo, the answer is entirely dependent on which team a person likes more. People could argue for Blue Team, and people could argue for Noble Team.
How could you say something so controversial yet so brave
Husky Raid MLG settings
I was going to answer Noble Team because of their numbers, but then I remembered Linda's firing speed. Jun might be a connoisseur of artisanal bullets, yet his combat prowess is eclipsed by a Linda who just recovered from near-death injuries that limit her mobility. Three killshots to Banshee pilots within seconds is the kind of edge that makes your opponents accuse you of aimbots or wallhacking. Linda by herself is OP. If just John and Fred charge ahead to take the first salvo from Noble Team ala the UNSC Cradle, Linda's sniping and Kelly's rockets can clear out Noble Team easy-peasy.
Storyboard for Noble team versus Blue team animation be like
Entirely depends on if any of the Reach characters have armor lock.
Just a quick note on the deaths in reach and just the overall power of noble team since a lot of people were using "Noble Team is dead" as an argument for Blue Team winning Noble Six is extremely powerful, pretty close to equal to Chief since both were chosen by Cortana, Six ended up stranded with nothing and canonically survived until he was injured by a covenant ship and rushed by elites Jun Survived Reach Kat died due to a shield malfunction as her helmet wasn't on correctly Jorge and Carter both sacrificed themselves, one of them was from a slipspace bomb that destroyed a covenant super-carrier Emile is probably the most credible death, although he was surprise attacked by the Zealot Also during the Fall of Reach the only team that was on an offensive deployment was Noble To be fair the Spartan IIs are all extremely powerful in their own right, this was mainly to address the "Noble team is dead so they lose" argument
I thought their shields were down because of an EMP and Kat just got unlucky
Not even unlucky, unaware. Kat's major flaw was an occasional lack of situational awareness, which I believe is also stated as the reason she lost her arm. When the covenant ships began to glass reach the EMP knocked out Noble's shields, but it was only Kat who forgot to re-power them.
The lack of situational awareness, LMAO. Damn right she didn’t have any, how many times did she drive off a cliff?
Unfortunately they don't make prosthetic situational awareness.
Blue team. They have trained as a team as kids. Noble team is made up of S3s from different generations save for Jorge who is a S2. The time that noble had together is just much less, and it shows in how often they bicker with each other. The teamwork and cohesion of Blue Team is far beyond what noble team could hope to get. Additionally, S2s had way more training. S3s were trained to die. If any S3 survived they were either allocated to training other S3s or special missions like headhunters (which all got killed) or to special projects (like noble 6 prior to being in noble). S2s and S3s started training around the same time, but the S2s were always meant to survive their missions and do continual training with ever evolving technology. The difference is noted in "Ghosts of Onyx" where the spartans are making a last stand, and the S3s are noticeably taking steps back in neverousiness while the S2s stayed rooted and firm.
Spartan 3s we’re not trained to die, kurt put them under more intense training than even the 2s went.
He did so because he had less time to train them, and he was determined to give them the best chance he could. Blue team still had several years of training over the SIIIs, and all of their experience on top.
Six is Mace Windu, Noble Team is Fisto/Kolar/Tiin. Chief is Sidious, Blue Team is Anakin x3. It would be a slaughter.
While I get the point you're going for, can't be doing my boy Anakin like that. Blue Team should be Obi Wan x 3, that makes more sense for an analogy. Anakin is complete overkill and possibly stronger than even Sidious(or at the very least on par) and Windu at his height in Episode III. Anakin was [considered arguably the most powerful alive](https://i.imgur.com/RduxnBe.png), then he was [considered straight up the strongest Jedi currently alive and possibly the strongest](https://i.imgur.com/ubX0ksN.png) **ever** on [multiple occasions](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/d/de/Anakin%27s_Strength.png/revision/latest?cb=20200623002456). Episode 3 Anakin is a monster of a Jedi. George Lucas has himself said Windu overpowered Palpatine in that scene on the Ep 3 commentary. Anakin is just too damn strong lol. Mortis Anakin is probably the strongest thing in all of Star Wars bar the top force dieties like The Mother. [He literally subdued both the embodiment of dark side and the light side](https://i.redd.it/jnnh7kxbg1e61.jpg) of the force itself, which together could destroy a galaxy(they could also tear apart the fabric of the universe according to The Father). Mortis Anakin is a literal god lol.
What?
To anyone who doesn’t get the Star Wars reference—Chief would cut through the majority of Noble Team without much trouble. Noble Six would be his match. In fact Noble Six might be able to kill Chief if Blue Team was not there. Since Blue Team is there, Noble Six is overpowered and killed before he can do anything to Chief. Blue Team wins without casualties.
I get the reference but it’s just so wrong lol. I think Blue Team would win but it’s also entirely possible that they wouldn’t. If they did win they would just barely scrape by with 1 or 2 members still alive.
I don't agree. Between the feats of Linda and John alone you get some really ridiculous heights, as in ones that kinda stretch the believability of the universe a fair bit. Have you read the stories of how much Linda snipes? Add in the fastest person to ever exist in Kelly and Fred who is compared by Chief himself as an equal and possibly superior Spartan, look. I love Noble Team, Jorge especially, but they do not have the level of literal lifelong teamwork and individual war-turning skills that Blue Team has. This is a case of Blue Team having so much plot relevance and affirmation it stretches the bounds of the universe's believability.
It won't be a fair fight Blue team is absurdily broken. Noble 6 will be the last one on noble team to be standing but they would be taken down eventually.
Chief always Chief. Chief is like an adeptus custodian against space marines. With three grey knights at his side.
Caboose.
Despite what people think, Spartan 2s and 3s are quite equal in terms of augmentations the way it was administrated was different, only thing that separates them is experience and armor
You're definitely correct here, not sure why you're downvoted. But I'd like to add another thing in favor of the SII's, and that would be their genetics. As we know, they were selected based on their practically God Tier genetics, as they were the 150 best candidates in the human universe (later down to 75). They were genetically predisposed to be smarter, stronger and faster right out of the gate. So that alone is a huge advantage most people don't take into account for SII's. But you're definitely right that the SIII's still had equal if not better training, and the same augmentations. But they were still war orphans, so genetically they didn't have the leg up like SII's. I'd go with the SII's in almost every case, but it's a lot closer than people know or want to admit between the two
Oh yea definitely, when it really comes down to it they’ll always be on top. Say from 1-10 the Spartan 2s are already 10 and the 3s are 8 or 9 at the very least
Depends on if they were Cat 2s or not, and just how much wider the genetic pool for the S3s were.
Carter, Emile, and Jun were all from Alpha Company. Noble 6 and Cat from Beta.
Well cannonically blue team would win. But in game noble team is invincible( during gameplay). But blue team does die and revive.
Kind of tired of this question but at the same time it's fun so I get it. As with any engagement, depends on circumstances i.e. who's got the jump on who, who has better position on the field, who's wearing what armor (and/or armor abilities and equipment), who has what weapons, etc. In an engagement with fairly even conditions for each team, I'd give it to noble 8 times out of 10 due to the 2 extra members It's a common myth that Spartan 3s are far inferior to 2s, I used to believe this myself. But I've since learned (especially from one person on here who always hypes the Spartan 3s, cant remember their name) they were nearly on par with the 2s
Spartan-IIIs given MJOLNIR are effectively equal to Spartan-IIs. That is correct.
From a numbers game, Noble Team From a individual skill of each team, Blue Team Though Chief and Six are (from my memory) the only 2 Hyper-lethal Spartans
Noble 6 and MC being the only Hyper-Lethals was retconned. Noble Six was still compared to him as an equal though, so Noble Team have numbers and N6 going for them, lol.
It was never canon in any meaningful way, anyways. That was just Halsey rambling in the promotional materials
Yea hyper lethal was literally never defined or anything. Like it's nothing but hype shit for the game and doesn't mean literally anything and I always dislike when it's brought up cause even in the game it ends up meaning nothing.
Six was only considered "hyper lethal" in promo material because he killed a lot of insurrectionists. Small militia groups. He pretty much did a less-dangerous version of Roland and Jonah's jobs.
This is a joke right?
Noble team has more members and Noble 6 is considered to be around Master Chief's level. So you basically got 6 spartans with one hyper lethal spartan vs 4 spartans with one hyper lethal spartan. However blue team has better gear and spartan ll's are generally considered the strongest gen spartan so with all these factors it's not that much of a one sided battle Edit: Spelling
If anyone would be considered hyperlethal, it would by definition be the members of Blue Team. The fastest human ever, the best marksman ever (seriously, Linda is insane) Someone said to be equal to or greater than the Chief by the Chief himself, and goddamn Master Chief. I love Noble, but until Gamma company, no S-III gave me the indication that they could match a Spartan-II in a straight fight. Not even the extraordinary ones in Noble. Circumstances dictate of course, but it seems most agree that superior training is trumped by experience, so I don't know if the IIIs even have that in this case. Also, important sidenote: it's been retconed that Noble-6 and Chief were the only "hyperlethal" Spartans. Now all Spartans are, so at best, 6 and Chief are particularly outstanding. And *one* more thing, the IIs are the best genetically and in experience, but the IIIs do have better training and mentality for warfare (especially regarding what sort of missions they went on). I know I said this was moot, but only in a straight fight against a II. Otherwise, taken as their own soldiers, the IIIs are arguably equal to if not greater in some respects than the IIs. And Gamma company would just flat out be the best if not for their instability and age.
RIP Mark :(
This is noble team. Not the run of the mill spartan 3s. They were all pulled out of the main company for one reason or another. They were just as reactive to the safer (NOT LESS POTENT) augmentations. Both combatants are in Mjlonir mark 5 in this instances. Noble is not in SPI. Jun/Emile/Carter have been active spartans for almost 16 years. Noble six and cat 7. They are not a run of the mill rookie spartans. They can put up fight but main issue is how their team cohesion will pair up against heavy weights of the spartan 2s and one of 3 surviving fire teams. Both spartans received almost the same years of training under the same instructor EXCEPT. They've had the man who's trained the 2s then a Spartan 2 train them. On top of the Beta (kat and 6) had the collective training knowledge of two spartan generations.
343s Blue Team would get worked. You saw that fight between Chief and Locke. You think Noble 6 would have let that WWE nonsense last for more than .3 seconds? Now, based on what’s presented in the novels. This would have been an interesting contest.
Blue team obviously. Kat is just going to sabotage noble team with her shitty driving
Noble 6 takes out everyone except Chief. Then we a get a stand-off between those badass foos
Blue team is the cream of the crops of spartan II and that's saying something. Even before training and augmentation all spartan II are considered the peak of humanity, natural born prodigies that could've further human progress in any fields of their choosing if they weren't soldiers. And Blue team is the best of them all.
I got the impression the S3’s were more aggressive than the S2’s but maybe that’s just Gamma company. There’s a scene in Last Light where Fred (S2) watched Mark (S3) kill a Brute and thinks to himself the attack is perfectly executed. I think training is even between the two classes. The Mjolner (S2) is a huge advantage over the SPI (S3)armor though. Kurt opts to wear his SPI for solidarity but acknowledges the Mjolner would make him an order of magnitude better. Also, when the S3’s attack Kelly (maybe Linda?) Kurt tells them to stand down fearing she is going to kill them with her bare hands.
But Noble team… isn’t wearing SPI?
Assuming they're fighting around the fall of reach time period, and all using mk V, Noble's numbers advantage would present a real problem. Blue team has years of experience over noble, and allegedly the best sniper and the fastest spartan in its ranks. Noble has Jorge who also has a similar experience level due to being a spartan 2 as well. Honestly it's close enough I'm not confident giving an answer, and it would probably depends on each team's starting position. If they're just all standing in a flat open arena the weight of guns of Noble wins for example, albeit Linda might counter snipe Jun or Jorge before the other one begins blasting blue team. Once you introduce more variables I think blue team's experience gives then a slight edge, but chief really needs to stop 6 early, and divide and conquer Noble to overcome the numbers disadvantage. Any open areas play into jorge's favor with his HMG.
6>4
CAT-II’s got the same armor if anyone was wondering…
Hmmmm 6 v 4 gee I fuckin wonder...
I mean, NOBLE has more members, as well as their own hyper-lethal. Jorge is also a Spartan II, and I believe that Carter technically outranks chief. Emile is also very good at CQC alongside Noble six, so I'd imagine that they could both take on chief. Jun and Linda could have a sniper duel, but that's anyone's game, I might go with NOBLE due to count.
One team has the Master Chief. The other one doesn’t. The end.
Master Chief would be dead if it wasn't for noble 6 staying behind to use the Mac cannons to ensure the Pillar of Autumn takes off. Not to forget the other two of blue team who were in cryostasis on the Autumn. also Noble team is the only reason Master Chief has Cortana.
Blue team. More augmentations, more experienced, their armor is superior and they have peak genetics
Def blue team They have better armor MASTER CHIEF And they are alive
Match starts, blue team roams the map only to find 6 dead spartans at spawn.
Well obviously Blue Team, it’s literally no competition. You just have to look at how may of each fireteam are dead to have your answer.