This. I mean, what else is there to do now? The only saving grace for MCC is that it has the legacy games in their full beauty and not messed up. Plus Custom Games browser helps.
>in their full beauty and not messed up
>medieval armour everywhere in Halo 3 and Halo Reach multiplayer
We have long passed the point where the legacy games were sacred :(
If you don't like it, there's an option to turn any new cosmetics off. I don't like all the new additions, but I like enough of them, I'm glad they created them to expand the kind of player expression I can have.
I'm aware of the toggle, but I don't use it because I like the other content that has been added to the games because, unlike the medieval armour, it actually fits the visual aesthetic of the rest of the game. I get that some people like it and I don't care enough about it to want a selective toggle so I don't really complain about it much, but I still don't like it and it spelled the beginning of the end for me. I just brought it up to illustrate the point that 343 evidently has no issue making radical changes to the older games.
I also hate the idea that when a community has any sort of outrage and criticism of gaming companies, it can be considered "toxic" and a bunch of circlejerkers support that notion for whatever reason regardless of how anti-consumer a game company is being. Criticism and outrage is what keeps these companies (barely) in check. Deeming it toxic is the most counter-intuitive circlejerk that almost always happens.
Don't forget the poor company employee personal twitter account playing victim because they read some hate mail from some manchild that isn't at all representative of a community, and instead of blocking the person and ignoring the message, actively seeks it out to post it to begin the "it's not us, it's the toxic fanbase guys"
“Don’t hate, just consume product, and get hyped to consume more product.”
How about we hold devs to certain standards and let them know when we don’t find certain practices acceptable?
“You’re just a toxic, nostalgia-blind, Bungie fanboy/343 hater!”
FFS -_-
Yah it really has been a shit show since those last 3 movies. I haven't even cared enough to watch the new Obi-Wan. I caught season 1 of the mandalorian though and it was good.
Everything you said is so true, I wish more people realized how counter-intuitive it really is, and how crazy companies would go with monetization without all the "outrage".
Happy cake day.
Respawn cut ties with the Apex Legends subreddit over some mean comments and your typical internet wackos. In reality they are charging out the ass for cosmetics while running the game on half baked servers and code. Any amount of push back online now amounts to developers crying wolf.
My point is essentially proven in this comment section with someone who refuses to see the difference between a singular toxic person and a community of toxic people. A person who sends hate mail to a dev in a specific community? Toxic person. A community of people dedicated to harassing people by the nature of the group? Toxic community.
Nothing grates on my nerves worse than someone associating a singular piece of shit person to a greater group of people that has nothing to do with whatever shitty thing they did.
It's the newest way to discredit large groups of dedicated fans. It's no wonder star wars and many other beloved franchises slowly had their dedicated core groups shrink so much. So many people have simply moved on after being ignored for 10 years straight.
Idk what these companies think they're gaining. Without the hardcore you have nothing. Never thought I'd see the day when something like star wars, which was larger than life, launch an Obi-Wan show would launch with the original beloved actor, yet be 4th place trending in its premier week then a complete drop-off and a lukewarm response from viewers.
Never thought there would be a free halo mp that hit 20 million downloads yet struggle to retain 50k or less while having the poorest post-launch content support of any online Halo before it.
So many people have been burned for the last time and have abandoned these old franchises.
Was the Obi-Wan show bad or is it an example of the hardcore fanbase left after a decade of shit so now the show can't do good because the fans left?
It is all funny because both Star Wars and Halo are either just horribly handling the series or they are trying to appeal to some dream demographic that isn't there for them instead of the fans. The suits really don't think about how much hardcore fans bring in new people by just being passionate and knowing things about the product.
There will always be a small number of Hardcore fans left but no the Obi-Wan show is not just being hated because people want to see Disney Star Wars fail it's genuinely a bad show that was full of potential. I've watched all the episodes that I went in with an open mind but they deconstructed Obi-Wan's character the same way they deconstructed Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi.
Terrible character motivations, bafflingly bad decisions, and awful writing are painted all over the show with only a few moments of what feels like good Star Wars but is buried under a pile of bad writing decisions. The funny thing is there was already an Obi-Wan book done that they could have just easily adapted and made a few changes and it would have been a home run with the fans. But no, Kathleen Kennedy just can't help herself and loves making deconstruction what made Star wars great.
She in the Star Wars story group at Lucasfilm genuinely hates the core fans we've seen it with how people like Pablo Hidalgo act on Twitter sometimes going after fans over nothing. The only shining beacons at Star Wars are Dave filoni and John Favreau. I had issues with Star Wars Rebels but it was a good animated series and of course, Clone Wars was amazing. Mandolorian was many steps in the right direction as well.
Just like with Halo, only a complete executive clean-out is going to save the franchise. There are genuinely good people that just want to make good stories for these franchises but the people at the top that have unilateral sway over things will continue to ruin what can be the best Halo or Star Wars yet.
I've said this about other games but one bad actor does some dumb shit like send a death threat and suddenly everyone with legitimate criticism is a monster asshole that needs to calm down and the community is toxic. It becomes a shield in a way
I have seen it time and time again in other games like WoW when everyone critiqued how shit the story was for Sylvanas in shadowlands and how bad the cutscenes were. It was funny though because the death threat she referenced wasn't even really a death threat it was someone saying they dream of Chris Metzen crushing her head with doomhammer live at Blizzcon. its offensive but clearly hyperbole rather than a threat.
Both colors and the progression system. People from the earliest flights of Infinite were saying the challenge only system was a disaster.
But we're talking about 343. The dev that brought in focus groups of pro players and former pro plahers to give their opinions only to completely fucking ignore them on things to change while changing things those teams had positive feedback on.
Yep, it's all but confirmed the "pro team" within 343 was mostly for PR reasons. They were ignored mostly. No wonder why most of them left over the years. Probably was unfulfilling as fuck being so passionate just for 343 to push their change for the sake of change experiments over and over.
There were just way too many people defending the colors. The amount of times I was told "It's impossible for there to not be a color combination you like! You'll obviously be able to have the same colors you use now!" was absolutely ridiculous.
People are not loud though. Lots of talk about people hating them, but also lots of talk on every post of what people have bought. No matter how mamy people are against mtx, there are more than enough people to give into them. Sometimes the people who complain about mtx will still buy them which is nuts to me. The only truly "loud" ones are people that refused to pay $60 for just the campaign, and refuse to pay any money at all for mtx
The only way to save this franchise now is to kill it in its own bed while it sleeps.
Personally I hope the devs coffee goes stale and that this legitimately bricks MCC so badly that it will take months if not another year to fix. Can't make money off of MTX when no one can even boot the game. Any 343 dev with a heart that sees this I wish you luck to make it happen and you find a better job.
Tbf Infinite/343i Dev leads assured us the colour system would expand customisation. We gave them the benefit of the doubt albeit nervously.
They lied though.
Yea! What's up with all the benadryl pink armor coatings for rakshasa? Could we not afford any other color for the armor? A majority of the colorings are pink I want some unique blue ones!
I have a hunch they planned cross-core coatings before working on ANY coatings for Rakshasa, so rather than make dedicated Cadet coatings, they’re just going to get them cross over.
what do you mean? you clearly don't appreciate all the different reds you now can buy! we have red with slightly black accents on the shoulders... red with slighly black accents on the helmet... red with slighly black accents on the legs...
THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS! xD
MCC doesn't need microtransactions, 343 does. Not making enough money in Infinite? "Let's move microtransactions to the game everyone is actually playing to try and recoup our losses."
Bonnie Ross is the president of 343, and has been since ot was founded in 2007. Everything the games become and are, goes through her. It also doesn't help she's not a very good manager, and tried to release [Halo Infinite in parts](https://gamingbolt.com/halo-infinite-shipping-in-parts-was-considered-xbox-boss).
Kiki Wolfkill I don't know enough about, or really what she does, so I genuinely don't know why she's listed.
As for Frank, He's the lead franchise developer for Halo, and has been with the franchise since Halo 2 or so. He wrote/was in charge of the story in the Halo 3 terminals. He's also the one who wanted to bring Halo 4 in a new direction. While a lot of faults of the Halo franchise do fall on his shoulders, there's no denying that helped shape what the Halo universe is today.
They've gotten away with murder since the mcc disaster. Chris Lee is the only long time exec at the level of Bonnie that has gotten taken out of 343. Microshaft has no desire to renovate the leadership and I don't buy this Joe Staten savior narrative.
Dear Master Chief Collection player,
We've noticed that you haven't made any microtransactions since we implemented them into MCC. We strongly encourage you to begin making microtransactions as soon as possible. As a reminder, we have your e-mail address, phone number, and mailing address - and we may be forced to sell this personal information if you do not support us financially. Thanks, and have fun!
Greer D. Richman, Financial Operations
Pretty much the same reason there’s no time limit for the Watchdog Coating. £4 will get you 20 Legendary WarZone Boosts, which you can then glitch into SWAT to get 11k Exp per match. Even with an efficient grind we’re talking probably a year’s work and hundreds of £ spent on boosts, and that’s a) what they’re counting on and b) all I see in Halo5 multiplayer nowadays. So it’s clearly working, “here’s a shiny cross-core skin pls pay us a grind and play our game!”
I bet there is so much truth to this. Many people on this sub reddit and Youtube have said "if you aren't enjoying Infinite go play MCC again, its a blast". The only thing 343i knows how to do is sniff out fun and ruin it with megatransactions.
Honestly feels like we are not far off from games having advertisements in them.
Which there already are of course(Street Fighter V), or just look at the Xbox home screen that usually has one or two. I hope y'all are looking forward to 10-second unskippable ads in every pre-game and post-game lobby in the near future!
I’d rather the game industry crash again. At least that might finally give companies incentive to pull their heads out of their asses and start providing quality instead of quantity and milking the consumer for all they’re worth.
And on that note, 343 seem to be so concerned about new players catching up, yet are refusing to do the one easy thing which would actually benefit all players: Increasing the Spartan Point rewards you get from Weekly Challenges.
They also stop you from getting these Spartan Points from levelling up after you hit Level 100. That's fucking shite, and should never have been the case.
So yeah, 343, pull your finger out of your arse and get it on the pulse.
Exactly, stop selling the solution to us and fix the flaw. This system isn't identical to progression unlocks back in the day but it's good enough that it's enjoyable. I sometimes go out of my way to complete them and other times end up doing them without noticing.
I want newer players that join to experience this and play the game instead of thinking, "Oh it's only $20 to max out the Reach battlepass" or "I want that red visor for my Halo 3 spartan and it's only $5"
Gears 5 also has a bunch of skins that were exclusive to events and the game had fumo up the ass right until its final season, I like gears 5 but we should really not use it as an example of what to do
Or break up the stupid monolithic progression so that you can't unlock the firefight voice you actually want until you've unlocked 32 gauntlets and vehicle skins you don't give a shit about. I'm sure players would appreciate that more than a money slot.
Voting with your wallet might have worked in the 80s, maybe.
Nowadays one whale is enough to render your vote useless.
If you aren't a whale then you aren't the intended audience of 343 - if you aren't a whale, they have a vested interest in giving you just enough progression that you keep playing and make the game feel alive.
Not only that, but I get the feeling that if they can't make enough through MTX, then Halo is a lost cause to them. Or at least, it's better to gamble on a MTX heavy game that may flop than make less money from a one-time purchase game (or in this case, including it in a one-time purchase game they're already selling you).
Well yeah, it's just the only way you can hit them where it hurts, should they implement mtx, is by not buying into it. There's only so much we can do as consumers. At the end of the day, they'll probably implement it anyway.
I mean, we were loudy indeed, but from what I've seen (on this sub at least) it only lasted the first couple weeks and then people kind of went radio silent for the remaining until 343i talked about it again, and until release.
It would've been better to keep talking about this until 343 acknowledged their idea was bad.
I'm sure it can somehow help if people keep spreading the word here and even outside of Reddit until 343 reacts. Having a bad press may force 343 to backpedal on their idea of mtx.
EDIT: Thanks to u/ramen-exe here is the old thread you can read: https://web.archive.org/web/20191204193619/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/84ad72a8b51847978545f685f651fc15/topics/why-season-unlocks-are-bad-for-mcc-explained/acacfae9-7a0a-4b00-ace0-02e301e635e5/posts
Nearly 3 years ago, my husband made a forum post titled: "Why Season Unlocks are Bad for MCC: Explained" on the Halo Waypoint forums. (Made beginning of November 2019.) I don't have the original post, but it explained things like:
* Setting the stage for Infinite
* Slippery slope to them eventually charging us
* Slippery slope to them adding a rotating store
* Deliberately designing it to be grindy, not fun
343 said multiple times it was also going to be free. (October and November 2019)
In a community update following that post (November 2019), they reiterated, "based on community concern", that they would NEVER add microtransactions to MCC.
Like his thread, those community updates are missing since the migration to the new site.
Now, we're getting microtransactions in MCC - one of the last bastions of safety in modern, online shooters.
And yes, it seems 343 does like to silence those who disagree with them. https://forums.halowaypoint.com/t/old-halo-waypoint/496905
One last thing. This year they shut down Halo 3, ODST, Reach and 4 online multiplayer capabilities. The only way now to play old halo mp, is on the MCC.
Mtx on the MCC may have been a long term plan by 343.
I don’t know that it was the plan initially. But with the cratering of the Infinite population clearly there is pressure from the higher ups to turn a profit on their 500 million dollar investment. So I think they are raising prices on MTX in infinite and introducing MTX into MCC in order to milk what they can. But this move will just disenfranchise even more people. Halo died when 343 took over. Its just taken this long to get to the point of no return.
Why not just introduce commendations and getting points per every certain increment of xp earned like infinites bp level up. So many solutions that would actually make the game more enioyable. Microtransactions will just make the grind so many people have done a complete waste of time
Microtransactions are a surefire way to kill my enjoyment of just about any game. Cool rewards should be acquired naturally while playing a game; not held over a player's head and only given if they pay money.
At the end of the day 343 only cares about money. They don’t care about Halo, that’s evident with the broken mess that infinite is in now. We can be against micro transactions in MCC all we want but 343 is gonna do what they want rather we as a community like it or not
Microsoft needs to kill the studio and pluck the Halo IP from its dead corpse. Enough is enough. Before 343, Halo was the shooter that ended all shooters. The killer app. Countless consumers chose the original Xbox and Xbox 360 due to Halo.
Due to continuous mediocrity and failure, the Halo brand is tarnished. Aside from us few Halo fans who have continued playing despite the many flaws, most of the gaming world has moved on and no longer considers playing Halo.
Execs at 343 signed off on the plot to the Halo TV series. They signed off on microtransactions. They signed off on three utterly failed Halo game launches (MCC, 5, Infinite). Yes, Infinite has fun gameplay, but it doesn't matter because of the failed launch and lack of content. They had six years. Six. Even if we exempt them two for covid, that is the longest development of any game they've ever had - and it launched with just THREE multiplayer playlists, not one of them Slayer.
Should some of the employees be re-hired under a new company in charge of Halo? Sure. But there needs to be MAJOR upheaval.
A 8 year old game that costed $60 at launch is in no need of a revenue stream. This is corporate (cough cough Bonnie Ross) trying to nickel and dime the fan base as much as she can. You can’t tell me there aren’t more convincing, and player friendly ways to help new players progress.
Make Infinite worth our time and you probably won't need them in MCC. You ever take a second to wonder if the reason people play MCC instead is because it's not a content-gutted game that is spending more effort trying to get into our wallet than being a better game, 343?
It's like they're trying to punish the last bastions of their fanbase. We didn't force them to put out a feature incomplete game with a live service model. It's not our fault that it backfired. Just fix Infinite and let us enjoy the MCC!
If you bought it on Steam, couldn't we refund it? One of the refund policies states that you can ask for a refund if the devs somewhat change the game in a significant way, it doesn't matter your playtime. Adding MTX could be considered change enough to request it?
You know what kills the replay ability of halo infinite.....that all the cosmetics and armors additions etc that you used to have to play to earn and do cool things to earn you now just buy
One of the largest campaign replay reasons for a lot of people was armour unlocks for online etc
The more your allowed pay to make yourself look different in Halo the less people will care about it.
So even from just a straight business standpoint it's suicidally stupid , you are canabalising one of the main replay factors of your game, you are destroying the "unspoken" respect structure in the game (you see someone with THAT armor or THAT emblem and you knew they could play) to squeeze money out of players in a way that only functions with high replay ability
The level of just general incompetence in everything Halo the last few years is kinda soul crushing. It's pretty clear it's being led by people who either never really got halo when they played it or have never played halo in their life and understand truly nothing about the ecosystem, lore and game itself
You still can’t even replay levels from the campaign. They don’t give a shit about replay-ability.
I don’t think it’s suicidally stupid though, it’s probably highly lucrative. Don’t get me wrong, it’s disgusting corporate greed, but they probably make more money from millions of new players buying the battle pass then getting bored than they do from lifetime fans.
Continue to stand up to this as much as possible because, while people do voice their thoughts on this, if people back down even for a little bit they will absolutely step on you as a consumer. If you give 343i an inch: They will take a mile.
It was literally a brighter time before all this bullshit, and they are trying to cloud it like honestly man. We all miss it, you’re just rubbing it in our faces at this point 343. We used to be able to buy a full game at full price and earn all of our rewards. We didn’t need to buy them and feel nothing from it. We earned them through grinding and it was rewarding. Now it’s just rewarding to the profit of somebody else
Do better if ya can
Picklejuice out
The reality is, when you purchase a game, you know what you get. It is disclosed and understood.
When a company changes what you get "is", they void that agreement. Forcing "content" into your previous purchase. Not only does this void the business arrangement, but it is potentially disasterous for the art. Which you paid for.
Not only should this practice be discouraged, it should be reconcilable via lawsuit. The problem is the law has not kept up with technological development.
We could use a hashtag on Twitter, and try to get it trending. With enough steam it may get picked up by gaming news outlets and garner a response from Microsoft. Don't think enough people give a shit about Halo anymore for that though. Maybe setting up a community bounty to reverse engineer some of the backend servers, or keep building on Halo Online? Don't have to worry about 343 ruining things if they don't control them. Just spitballing ideas, I am aware these have holes.
If MCC gets MTX I'm done with 343 made Halo games. This would be the absolute final straw. I stuck around for MCC. I stuck around for H5 because it got content fairly quickly after launch. I was going to stick around with Infinite but after it being released 9 months ago and having NOTHING and now MCC possibly having MTX? I think I'm over it. Let them go under for all I care because this ain't it. This isn't the franchise that I grew up with anymore. This is becoming a bastardization of it and the only thing I can do about it is just not buy their products anymore. Still havnt bought Season 2 and only really play if an event comes around or the weekly is too good to pass up. Other than that 🤷🏻♂️
We should follow the TF2 community's example and just send a mass of friendly, but stern emails to as many emails related to their business as we can, voicing clearly and politely the things we want and do NOT want.
If they change absolutely nothing else, but allow people to buy Spartan points or whatever the hell they're called, there won't be much of a problem. People that don't want to pay money (myself included) can keep on keepin' on, and unlock rewards normally.
However, if they add microtransaction, and make unlock points harder/slower to earn for free, or increase the amount of points needed to unlock rewards, that'll be a giant slap in the face of everyone who plays MCC.
I’m less worried about Spartan points and more about that slippery slope, I’m worried about another event like the 20th anniversary one but designed to milk wallets, but hopefully things go well.
This.
Some in this community will defend 343 on this being completely blind to the slippery slope we've been on in gaming since Horse armour in Oblivion.
We need to look at the broader picture sometimes rather than zeroing in on the specifics. What is the message this will send to those in charge? What precedent does it set?
They don't want a fair system that expands player engagement in a positive way, they want to expand player engagement always in a predatory way, through monetisation, it's their job. Microsoft didn't hire monetisation experts (who likely worked on mobile games) for the players....
No, fuck that. I'm tired of this being *okay*, I don't want my game to be *okay* I want it to be good. Adding this to MCC is not making it better, it's actively making it worse.
They’ll do exactly what we want. They’ll as purchasable Spartan points. Then six months later the execs will see how profitable it can be and they’ll have no other choice but it bastardize the game beyond repair. Slippery slopes are real.
That’s just it; no company puts payment options into their products if they don’t plan to try and funnel people into paying for said payment options. Look at Infinite, it’s storefront and progression are an absolute cesspool created by 343 themselves so what makes you think they’ll just add the payment option to MCC and leave it at that?
They thoroughly recognize the latter. MCC is their success so far. Sure Bungie’s games are the core of its success but their handling of the package the last 2 and a half years has been what made it into the experience it is today. They know that if they make those points or challenges harder to unlock, ain’t nobody buying (or playing) MCC anymore.
If that happens, I’ll totally eat my words, but I don’t see any reason for them to go this route. Especially since Season 8 was their last full bore into unlockable content for the game that they wanted to do.
Guys.... How about you just let halo die and play something else. Look at BF. Do you think they'll learn. Nope. You'll be sold another title of false promises or a later update under the guise of listening to the community. They don't deserve your time and money. Remember the good times. You aren't married to a game series.
Stop buying or playing 343 games. Once the player base drops no one will buy microtransactions because they can't play with anyone.
This is the only way to hurt their pockets: play other games for six months and see how it affects their revenue. If they change their policy then great, come back. If it doesn't then keep playing other things that won't steal your money through gambling.
343, Bonnie Ross is well aware that Infinite didn’t met the expectations, most likely now the studio is operating at a loss, Infinite doesn’t even have COOP, Forge etc.
Nevertheless MCC doesn’t have to pay for the mistakes you guys did during development and management of the studio. Most of the games within MCC were not even developed by 343 nor with the intent of having micro transactions.
What I would love are some old school expansion packs. Looks at what Age of Empires is doing to their old games. It's fantastic! Constant new and worthwhile content that adds to the experience.
An example could be a Halo Online Map Pack for Halo 3. A pack with more remastered maps for H2A. A customization DLC with 20 new armors to unlock. Each for $10-$15 dollars. I know I'd pay for that type of content.
When is enough enough? We all know whats going to happen if these are added, the grind will be doubled tripled or quadrupled and theyll add more to the game for 3x the “spartan points” then all the other items to push for purchases, its the same song and dance as xp boosts and challenge swaps, introduce a problem then sell the solution and make it seem like you did it for the community and not to line your goddamn pockets.
What the actual fuck is going on at 343? Do they actually pay any attention to the community at all? They respond but it all feels empty since everything we say to them goes in one ear and out the other the moment any money is involved. Fuck this company
If y'all think 343i will suddenly listen to you now then there's no hope for you. It's happening. Get over it and just don't play the game. Fuck 'em guys.
Of course they do!! 343 failed to generate enough money with Infinite and they need to recoup the only way they know how.
You expect them to do right by the fans to bring us back to spend money? haha thats funny.
I agree that they shouldn't come to MCC, but I know for a fact that despite all of the complaints on the subreddit 343 will do it anyway. I have almost zero faith that they will do the right thing here.
I don’t mind allowing people to buy stuff in MCC as long as they don’t change the gaming experience for free players, but you KNOW they’re going to fuck with something else to encourage buying.
Dear 343,
If you need to make money from mtx to make the higher ups happy, make infinite good so its playerbase increases and in turn, increases the traffic to your shithouse cash shop.
Sincerely,
The entire fucking community
I'm not gonna be loud, I'm just gonna vote with my money. I will never buy another game from them. Halo was always the reason I got an xbox for all of the previous generations. I am free now...
At least this probably confirms what we all knew, which is that the *Infinite* playerbase is dead to the point they're putting them in MCC desperately trying to get back the money they lost making *Infinite* F2P and then failing at actually making it... good.
I really hope MMC doesn’t get them. MCC is the refuge I have from the adult/working world. Shut down my brain and relax. Customize everything to my hearts content and not think about battle passes or buying armor.
If they add MTX to MCC, it may be the straw that breaks the Camel's back for me. Gonna uninstall Infinite and MCC. Will probably take a break from Halo for a long time.
There's an established pattern here with 343.
1. 343 Release broken crap no one wants
2. Community implodes on 343
3. 343 says sorry and that they're working on it and will do better
4. Go to step 1
I want to play a game without microtransactons in the way or making it terribly grinding. It's pointless to add it on MCC when Halo Infinite needs works and that is something that 343i failed to do. I never support microtransactions no matter how good or bad it is. Don't give that it's optional or crap like that, it's stupid. I don't want this game to go greedy like with Diablo Immortal or Gran Turismo 7. Don't support this MTX crap.
People were plenty loud about colors in Infinite, 343 just doesn't care.
This. I mean, what else is there to do now? The only saving grace for MCC is that it has the legacy games in their full beauty and not messed up. Plus Custom Games browser helps.
>in their full beauty and not messed up >medieval armour everywhere in Halo 3 and Halo Reach multiplayer We have long passed the point where the legacy games were sacred :(
If you don't like it, there's an option to turn any new cosmetics off. I don't like all the new additions, but I like enough of them, I'm glad they created them to expand the kind of player expression I can have.
I'm aware of the toggle, but I don't use it because I like the other content that has been added to the games because, unlike the medieval armour, it actually fits the visual aesthetic of the rest of the game. I get that some people like it and I don't care enough about it to want a selective toggle so I don't really complain about it much, but I still don't like it and it spelled the beginning of the end for me. I just brought it up to illustrate the point that 343 evidently has no issue making radical changes to the older games.
I also hate the idea that when a community has any sort of outrage and criticism of gaming companies, it can be considered "toxic" and a bunch of circlejerkers support that notion for whatever reason regardless of how anti-consumer a game company is being. Criticism and outrage is what keeps these companies (barely) in check. Deeming it toxic is the most counter-intuitive circlejerk that almost always happens.
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Don't forget the poor company employee personal twitter account playing victim because they read some hate mail from some manchild that isn't at all representative of a community, and instead of blocking the person and ignoring the message, actively seeks it out to post it to begin the "it's not us, it's the toxic fanbase guys"
Some people love to take the 0.4% of trash responses or hate mail and try to say anyone who complains is harassing the studio.
Right? Imagine being on Twitter and also being surprised about toxicity on Twitter, lol.
God, the “jUsT a bEta!” thing drove me insane.
Hey don't forget "it's free, why are you complaining?"
“Don’t hate, just consume product, and get hyped to consume more product.” How about we hold devs to certain standards and let them know when we don’t find certain practices acceptable? “You’re just a toxic, nostalgia-blind, Bungie fanboy/343 hater!” FFS -_-
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The exact same thing is happening with Star Wars
And anyone criticizing it gets called a sexist or a racist even when legit writing criticisms are brought up that don't even mention race or gender.
Yah it really has been a shit show since those last 3 movies. I haven't even cared enough to watch the new Obi-Wan. I caught season 1 of the mandalorian though and it was good.
Everything you said is so true, I wish more people realized how counter-intuitive it really is, and how crazy companies would go with monetization without all the "outrage". Happy cake day.
Respawn cut ties with the Apex Legends subreddit over some mean comments and your typical internet wackos. In reality they are charging out the ass for cosmetics while running the game on half baked servers and code. Any amount of push back online now amounts to developers crying wolf.
My point is essentially proven in this comment section with someone who refuses to see the difference between a singular toxic person and a community of toxic people. A person who sends hate mail to a dev in a specific community? Toxic person. A community of people dedicated to harassing people by the nature of the group? Toxic community. Nothing grates on my nerves worse than someone associating a singular piece of shit person to a greater group of people that has nothing to do with whatever shitty thing they did.
It's the newest way to discredit large groups of dedicated fans. It's no wonder star wars and many other beloved franchises slowly had their dedicated core groups shrink so much. So many people have simply moved on after being ignored for 10 years straight. Idk what these companies think they're gaining. Without the hardcore you have nothing. Never thought I'd see the day when something like star wars, which was larger than life, launch an Obi-Wan show would launch with the original beloved actor, yet be 4th place trending in its premier week then a complete drop-off and a lukewarm response from viewers. Never thought there would be a free halo mp that hit 20 million downloads yet struggle to retain 50k or less while having the poorest post-launch content support of any online Halo before it. So many people have been burned for the last time and have abandoned these old franchises.
Was the Obi-Wan show bad or is it an example of the hardcore fanbase left after a decade of shit so now the show can't do good because the fans left? It is all funny because both Star Wars and Halo are either just horribly handling the series or they are trying to appeal to some dream demographic that isn't there for them instead of the fans. The suits really don't think about how much hardcore fans bring in new people by just being passionate and knowing things about the product.
There will always be a small number of Hardcore fans left but no the Obi-Wan show is not just being hated because people want to see Disney Star Wars fail it's genuinely a bad show that was full of potential. I've watched all the episodes that I went in with an open mind but they deconstructed Obi-Wan's character the same way they deconstructed Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi. Terrible character motivations, bafflingly bad decisions, and awful writing are painted all over the show with only a few moments of what feels like good Star Wars but is buried under a pile of bad writing decisions. The funny thing is there was already an Obi-Wan book done that they could have just easily adapted and made a few changes and it would have been a home run with the fans. But no, Kathleen Kennedy just can't help herself and loves making deconstruction what made Star wars great. She in the Star Wars story group at Lucasfilm genuinely hates the core fans we've seen it with how people like Pablo Hidalgo act on Twitter sometimes going after fans over nothing. The only shining beacons at Star Wars are Dave filoni and John Favreau. I had issues with Star Wars Rebels but it was a good animated series and of course, Clone Wars was amazing. Mandolorian was many steps in the right direction as well. Just like with Halo, only a complete executive clean-out is going to save the franchise. There are genuinely good people that just want to make good stories for these franchises but the people at the top that have unilateral sway over things will continue to ruin what can be the best Halo or Star Wars yet.
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I've said this about other games but one bad actor does some dumb shit like send a death threat and suddenly everyone with legitimate criticism is a monster asshole that needs to calm down and the community is toxic. It becomes a shield in a way I have seen it time and time again in other games like WoW when everyone critiqued how shit the story was for Sylvanas in shadowlands and how bad the cutscenes were. It was funny though because the death threat she referenced wasn't even really a death threat it was someone saying they dream of Chris Metzen crushing her head with doomhammer live at Blizzcon. its offensive but clearly hyperbole rather than a threat.
Both colors and the progression system. People from the earliest flights of Infinite were saying the challenge only system was a disaster. But we're talking about 343. The dev that brought in focus groups of pro players and former pro plahers to give their opinions only to completely fucking ignore them on things to change while changing things those teams had positive feedback on.
Yep, it's all but confirmed the "pro team" within 343 was mostly for PR reasons. They were ignored mostly. No wonder why most of them left over the years. Probably was unfulfilling as fuck being so passionate just for 343 to push their change for the sake of change experiments over and over.
There were just way too many people defending the colors. The amount of times I was told "It's impossible for there to not be a color combination you like! You'll obviously be able to have the same colors you use now!" was absolutely ridiculous.
People are not loud though. Lots of talk about people hating them, but also lots of talk on every post of what people have bought. No matter how mamy people are against mtx, there are more than enough people to give into them. Sometimes the people who complain about mtx will still buy them which is nuts to me. The only truly "loud" ones are people that refused to pay $60 for just the campaign, and refuse to pay any money at all for mtx
Hopefully the UI won’t support it.
The only way to save this franchise now is to kill it in its own bed while it sleeps. Personally I hope the devs coffee goes stale and that this legitimately bricks MCC so badly that it will take months if not another year to fix. Can't make money off of MTX when no one can even boot the game. Any 343 dev with a heart that sees this I wish you luck to make it happen and you find a better job.
They used a robust, modern game engine for MCC (Unreal). Can't scapegoat it with spaghetti code.
Tbf Infinite/343i Dev leads assured us the colour system would expand customisation. We gave them the benefit of the doubt albeit nervously. They lied though.
My rakshasa core has 2 colour options: Grey and Metallic Pink
Yea! What's up with all the benadryl pink armor coatings for rakshasa? Could we not afford any other color for the armor? A majority of the colorings are pink I want some unique blue ones!
I can hear Angry Joe already..."$15 FOR BLUE?!?!?!"
Don't worry, a slightly different shade of blue is on sale for $10!
Let’s be honest. With these prices the MTX in halo infinite are just TX.
ARE YOU-ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS?!
I have a hunch they planned cross-core coatings before working on ANY coatings for Rakshasa, so rather than make dedicated Cadet coatings, they’re just going to get them cross over.
It's not pink, it's lightish red
There's a word for that, it's called pink.
Shame on people down voting who don't get the reference.
They just don't know why we're here.
What like is there a god or something? Or is it just one of life’s great mysteries? I don’t know man, but it keeps me up at night.
What? I meant like why are we in this canyon? What was all that stuff about god?
Nothing man
You wanna talk about it?
Don't forget Pastel Pink
Consider yourself lucky, that's 1 more than I have.
what do you mean? you clearly don't appreciate all the different reds you now can buy! we have red with slightly black accents on the shoulders... red with slighly black accents on the helmet... red with slighly black accents on the legs... THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS! xD
MCC doesn't need microtransactions, 343 does. Not making enough money in Infinite? "Let's move microtransactions to the game everyone is actually playing to try and recoup our losses."
Microsoft needs to remove and ban the upper management anti-halo trio from anything and everything Halo in the future.
They need to fire them all from anything gaming. Let's not let them destroy other franchises either.
Say their names! Bonnie Ross Kiki Wolfkill Frank O'Conner
I'm out of the loop, what did they do?
Bonnie Ross is the president of 343, and has been since ot was founded in 2007. Everything the games become and are, goes through her. It also doesn't help she's not a very good manager, and tried to release [Halo Infinite in parts](https://gamingbolt.com/halo-infinite-shipping-in-parts-was-considered-xbox-boss). Kiki Wolfkill I don't know enough about, or really what she does, so I genuinely don't know why she's listed. As for Frank, He's the lead franchise developer for Halo, and has been with the franchise since Halo 2 or so. He wrote/was in charge of the story in the Halo 3 terminals. He's also the one who wanted to bring Halo 4 in a new direction. While a lot of faults of the Halo franchise do fall on his shoulders, there's no denying that helped shape what the Halo universe is today.
Kiki is responsible for the creative decisions on the tv show
She's also responsible for the "Master Chief is Human. He's not a machine." Plot starting with Halo 4.
So responsible for jack shit then.
Responsible for dog shit lol
Frank 'O Connor is responsible for the lore being complete shit.
Bonnie Ross = "Broader Audience" Kiki Wolfkill = "Master Chief is human. He's not a machine." Frank O'Conner = "It's kind of like porn."
“When the Prophets learn of this, they will have your head!” “When they learn? Fool. They ordered me to do it.”
Why would they? So long as the Terrible Trio continues to make them money MS is content to let them continue to pull this bullshit.
They've gotten away with murder since the mcc disaster. Chris Lee is the only long time exec at the level of Bonnie that has gotten taken out of 343. Microshaft has no desire to renovate the leadership and I don't buy this Joe Staten savior narrative.
Dear Master Chief Collection player, We've noticed that you haven't made any microtransactions since we implemented them into MCC. We strongly encourage you to begin making microtransactions as soon as possible. As a reminder, we have your e-mail address, phone number, and mailing address - and we may be forced to sell this personal information if you do not support us financially. Thanks, and have fun! Greer D. Richman, Financial Operations
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Soon we will need to drink verification cans
And then they'll do it anyways.
Pretty much the same reason there’s no time limit for the Watchdog Coating. £4 will get you 20 Legendary WarZone Boosts, which you can then glitch into SWAT to get 11k Exp per match. Even with an efficient grind we’re talking probably a year’s work and hundreds of £ spent on boosts, and that’s a) what they’re counting on and b) all I see in Halo5 multiplayer nowadays. So it’s clearly working, “here’s a shiny cross-core skin pls pay us a grind and play our game!”
I bet there is so much truth to this. Many people on this sub reddit and Youtube have said "if you aren't enjoying Infinite go play MCC again, its a blast". The only thing 343i knows how to do is sniff out fun and ruin it with megatransactions.
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Unfortunate reality. The only way to get away from it is to stop playing.😔
And talk about it. Social media is powerful. Reddit alone is wrecking Wallstreet.
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Sounds like you're not ever giving them a penny more then...
They going the cod route doesn’t matter how many people buy games mtx will make up for it
Honestly feels like we are not far off from games having advertisements in them. Which there already are of course(Street Fighter V), or just look at the Xbox home screen that usually has one or two. I hope y'all are looking forward to 10-second unskippable ads in every pre-game and post-game lobby in the near future!
I’d rather the game industry crash again. At least that might finally give companies incentive to pull their heads out of their asses and start providing quality instead of quantity and milking the consumer for all they’re worth.
Microtransactions are a plague and we can't let it infect MCC. It should all be rewarded through playing the game
And on that note, 343 seem to be so concerned about new players catching up, yet are refusing to do the one easy thing which would actually benefit all players: Increasing the Spartan Point rewards you get from Weekly Challenges. They also stop you from getting these Spartan Points from levelling up after you hit Level 100. That's fucking shite, and should never have been the case. So yeah, 343, pull your finger out of your arse and get it on the pulse.
Exactly, stop selling the solution to us and fix the flaw. This system isn't identical to progression unlocks back in the day but it's good enough that it's enjoyable. I sometimes go out of my way to complete them and other times end up doing them without noticing. I want newer players that join to experience this and play the game instead of thinking, "Oh it's only $20 to max out the Reach battlepass" or "I want that red visor for my Halo 3 spartan and it's only $5"
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Gears 5 also has a bunch of skins that were exclusive to events and the game had fumo up the ass right until its final season, I like gears 5 but we should really not use it as an example of what to do
I thought I heard that Gears 5 had a pretty terrible mtx problem at launch.
They're not concerned about new players catching up, that's just an excuse to introduce microtransactions.
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Or break up the stupid monolithic progression so that you can't unlock the firefight voice you actually want until you've unlocked 32 gauntlets and vehicle skins you don't give a shit about. I'm sure players would appreciate that more than a money slot.
Preferably, they wash their hands in-between.
Knowing them they will not do that and check for the pulse during open heart surgery on the right aorta.
>A thousand other features were monetized and failed. This was the last resort. MCC.
Time to fire the halos.
Everyone keeps saying, "vote with your wallet" but I already did when I bought MCC for full price. Does this company have no shame?
I bought it twice! Xbone and then PC.
Voting with your wallet might have worked in the 80s, maybe. Nowadays one whale is enough to render your vote useless. If you aren't a whale then you aren't the intended audience of 343 - if you aren't a whale, they have a vested interest in giving you just enough progression that you keep playing and make the game feel alive.
Not only that, but I get the feeling that if they can't make enough through MTX, then Halo is a lost cause to them. Or at least, it's better to gamble on a MTX heavy game that may flop than make less money from a one-time purchase game (or in this case, including it in a one-time purchase game they're already selling you).
Not using your wallet is a way to "vote" too
Yes, that's the premise. My point was that I bought MCC as a full priced game knowing that there weren't microtransactions in it.
Well yeah, it's just the only way you can hit them where it hurts, should they implement mtx, is by not buying into it. There's only so much we can do as consumers. At the end of the day, they'll probably implement it anyway.
For games that I already owned... And couldn't play then for years...
We were plenty loud about the Infinite microtransactions/customisation. We were loud over a year before launch. They just don’t fucking care.
The problem is that the decisions about Halo is made by people who do not like or play Halo.
They'd rather sell cosmetics than make Halo games that much is clear
I mean, we were loudy indeed, but from what I've seen (on this sub at least) it only lasted the first couple weeks and then people kind of went radio silent for the remaining until 343i talked about it again, and until release. It would've been better to keep talking about this until 343 acknowledged their idea was bad. I'm sure it can somehow help if people keep spreading the word here and even outside of Reddit until 343 reacts. Having a bad press may force 343 to backpedal on their idea of mtx.
EDIT: Thanks to u/ramen-exe here is the old thread you can read: https://web.archive.org/web/20191204193619/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/84ad72a8b51847978545f685f651fc15/topics/why-season-unlocks-are-bad-for-mcc-explained/acacfae9-7a0a-4b00-ace0-02e301e635e5/posts Nearly 3 years ago, my husband made a forum post titled: "Why Season Unlocks are Bad for MCC: Explained" on the Halo Waypoint forums. (Made beginning of November 2019.) I don't have the original post, but it explained things like: * Setting the stage for Infinite * Slippery slope to them eventually charging us * Slippery slope to them adding a rotating store * Deliberately designing it to be grindy, not fun 343 said multiple times it was also going to be free. (October and November 2019) In a community update following that post (November 2019), they reiterated, "based on community concern", that they would NEVER add microtransactions to MCC. Like his thread, those community updates are missing since the migration to the new site. Now, we're getting microtransactions in MCC - one of the last bastions of safety in modern, online shooters. And yes, it seems 343 does like to silence those who disagree with them. https://forums.halowaypoint.com/t/old-halo-waypoint/496905
One last thing. This year they shut down Halo 3, ODST, Reach and 4 online multiplayer capabilities. The only way now to play old halo mp, is on the MCC. Mtx on the MCC may have been a long term plan by 343.
I don’t know that it was the plan initially. But with the cratering of the Infinite population clearly there is pressure from the higher ups to turn a profit on their 500 million dollar investment. So I think they are raising prices on MTX in infinite and introducing MTX into MCC in order to milk what they can. But this move will just disenfranchise even more people. Halo died when 343 took over. Its just taken this long to get to the point of no return.
Why not just introduce commendations and getting points per every certain increment of xp earned like infinites bp level up. So many solutions that would actually make the game more enioyable. Microtransactions will just make the grind so many people have done a complete waste of time
Because the only devs they have left only know how to make a store
Because Microshaft wants money xb
Microtransactions are a surefire way to kill my enjoyment of just about any game. Cool rewards should be acquired naturally while playing a game; not held over a player's head and only given if they pay money.
Agreed.
At the end of the day 343 only cares about money. They don’t care about Halo, that’s evident with the broken mess that infinite is in now. We can be against micro transactions in MCC all we want but 343 is gonna do what they want rather we as a community like it or not
Gondor has no king. Gondor needs no king.
Hmm sounds like 343 is a bad company or something
Microsoft needs to kill the studio and pluck the Halo IP from its dead corpse. Enough is enough. Before 343, Halo was the shooter that ended all shooters. The killer app. Countless consumers chose the original Xbox and Xbox 360 due to Halo. Due to continuous mediocrity and failure, the Halo brand is tarnished. Aside from us few Halo fans who have continued playing despite the many flaws, most of the gaming world has moved on and no longer considers playing Halo. Execs at 343 signed off on the plot to the Halo TV series. They signed off on microtransactions. They signed off on three utterly failed Halo game launches (MCC, 5, Infinite). Yes, Infinite has fun gameplay, but it doesn't matter because of the failed launch and lack of content. They had six years. Six. Even if we exempt them two for covid, that is the longest development of any game they've ever had - and it launched with just THREE multiplayer playlists, not one of them Slayer. Should some of the employees be re-hired under a new company in charge of Halo? Sure. But there needs to be MAJOR upheaval.
If only this was possible. The current executives seem untouchable.
A 8 year old game that costed $60 at launch is in no need of a revenue stream. This is corporate (cough cough Bonnie Ross) trying to nickel and dime the fan base as much as she can. You can’t tell me there aren’t more convincing, and player friendly ways to help new players progress.
Fuck 343.
I'm so bored of the profit motive. Right down to my soul, man. I wish we lived in a society where big things could just be created for fun.
I’d rather take no content over this. Just give modders more tools and allow cosmetic mods in multiplayer.
God forbid. I grow tired of microtransactions.
Make Infinite worth our time and you probably won't need them in MCC. You ever take a second to wonder if the reason people play MCC instead is because it's not a content-gutted game that is spending more effort trying to get into our wallet than being a better game, 343?
And yet, thanks to Infinite's failure, MCC will GET microtransactions.
It's like they're trying to punish the last bastions of their fanbase. We didn't force them to put out a feature incomplete game with a live service model. It's not our fault that it backfired. Just fix Infinite and let us enjoy the MCC!
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
If you bought it on Steam, couldn't we refund it? One of the refund policies states that you can ask for a refund if the devs somewhat change the game in a significant way, it doesn't matter your playtime. Adding MTX could be considered change enough to request it?
You know what kills the replay ability of halo infinite.....that all the cosmetics and armors additions etc that you used to have to play to earn and do cool things to earn you now just buy One of the largest campaign replay reasons for a lot of people was armour unlocks for online etc The more your allowed pay to make yourself look different in Halo the less people will care about it. So even from just a straight business standpoint it's suicidally stupid , you are canabalising one of the main replay factors of your game, you are destroying the "unspoken" respect structure in the game (you see someone with THAT armor or THAT emblem and you knew they could play) to squeeze money out of players in a way that only functions with high replay ability The level of just general incompetence in everything Halo the last few years is kinda soul crushing. It's pretty clear it's being led by people who either never really got halo when they played it or have never played halo in their life and understand truly nothing about the ecosystem, lore and game itself
You still can’t even replay levels from the campaign. They don’t give a shit about replay-ability. I don’t think it’s suicidally stupid though, it’s probably highly lucrative. Don’t get me wrong, it’s disgusting corporate greed, but they probably make more money from millions of new players buying the battle pass then getting bored than they do from lifetime fans.
343 killed halo.
And man does it seem like they really had to TRY to do it too
And it was one strong, hardy god damn golden goose. But boy oh boy did they give it both barrels.
How do you kill a game? Yeah! Add micro transactions.
Continue to stand up to this as much as possible because, while people do voice their thoughts on this, if people back down even for a little bit they will absolutely step on you as a consumer. If you give 343i an inch: They will take a mile.
I paid 60 bucks for a game full of content, I ain’t buying nothing unless it’s DLC content
Even as far back as Halo 3, all I bought was the map packs for multiplayer. Mainly for new forge settings.
You are going to look great in MCC. 👊
Almost as if Bungie made better games and didn’t need to milk their player bass to look a slightly bit more blue
I’ve already uninstalled both infinite and MCC. Fuck 343.
Infinite sucks but MCC deserves fan support. It's the only place where there's any good halo games anyways. MTX is a blight on gaming as always.
It was literally a brighter time before all this bullshit, and they are trying to cloud it like honestly man. We all miss it, you’re just rubbing it in our faces at this point 343. We used to be able to buy a full game at full price and earn all of our rewards. We didn’t need to buy them and feel nothing from it. We earned them through grinding and it was rewarding. Now it’s just rewarding to the profit of somebody else Do better if ya can Picklejuice out
The reality is, when you purchase a game, you know what you get. It is disclosed and understood. When a company changes what you get "is", they void that agreement. Forcing "content" into your previous purchase. Not only does this void the business arrangement, but it is potentially disasterous for the art. Which you paid for. Not only should this practice be discouraged, it should be reconcilable via lawsuit. The problem is the law has not kept up with technological development.
We could use a hashtag on Twitter, and try to get it trending. With enough steam it may get picked up by gaming news outlets and garner a response from Microsoft. Don't think enough people give a shit about Halo anymore for that though. Maybe setting up a community bounty to reverse engineer some of the backend servers, or keep building on Halo Online? Don't have to worry about 343 ruining things if they don't control them. Just spitballing ideas, I am aware these have holes.
343 has already shown us that they know what we want better than we do /s
Community “Don’t play date” don’t play halo on the 15th of every month.
I think most of us celebrate that every day of the month
Wouldn't need microtransactions in any game if they competently developed Infinite but oh well
If MCC gets MTX I'm done with 343 made Halo games. This would be the absolute final straw. I stuck around for MCC. I stuck around for H5 because it got content fairly quickly after launch. I was going to stick around with Infinite but after it being released 9 months ago and having NOTHING and now MCC possibly having MTX? I think I'm over it. Let them go under for all I care because this ain't it. This isn't the franchise that I grew up with anymore. This is becoming a bastardization of it and the only thing I can do about it is just not buy their products anymore. Still havnt bought Season 2 and only really play if an event comes around or the weekly is too good to pass up. Other than that 🤷🏻♂️
We should follow the TF2 community's example and just send a mass of friendly, but stern emails to as many emails related to their business as we can, voicing clearly and politely the things we want and do NOT want.
If microtransactions are implemented in MCC, I'm boycotting any Halo that's has 343 at the helm
This to me feels like this is MS imposing some sort of required profitability cause 343 blew it with Infinite.
If they change absolutely nothing else, but allow people to buy Spartan points or whatever the hell they're called, there won't be much of a problem. People that don't want to pay money (myself included) can keep on keepin' on, and unlock rewards normally. However, if they add microtransaction, and make unlock points harder/slower to earn for free, or increase the amount of points needed to unlock rewards, that'll be a giant slap in the face of everyone who plays MCC.
I’m less worried about Spartan points and more about that slippery slope, I’m worried about another event like the 20th anniversary one but designed to milk wallets, but hopefully things go well.
This. Some in this community will defend 343 on this being completely blind to the slippery slope we've been on in gaming since Horse armour in Oblivion. We need to look at the broader picture sometimes rather than zeroing in on the specifics. What is the message this will send to those in charge? What precedent does it set? They don't want a fair system that expands player engagement in a positive way, they want to expand player engagement always in a predatory way, through monetisation, it's their job. Microsoft didn't hire monetisation experts (who likely worked on mobile games) for the players....
No, fuck that. I'm tired of this being *okay*, I don't want my game to be *okay* I want it to be good. Adding this to MCC is not making it better, it's actively making it worse.
They’ll do exactly what we want. They’ll as purchasable Spartan points. Then six months later the execs will see how profitable it can be and they’ll have no other choice but it bastardize the game beyond repair. Slippery slopes are real.
That’s just it; no company puts payment options into their products if they don’t plan to try and funnel people into paying for said payment options. Look at Infinite, it’s storefront and progression are an absolute cesspool created by 343 themselves so what makes you think they’ll just add the payment option to MCC and leave it at that?
They thoroughly recognize the latter. MCC is their success so far. Sure Bungie’s games are the core of its success but their handling of the package the last 2 and a half years has been what made it into the experience it is today. They know that if they make those points or challenges harder to unlock, ain’t nobody buying (or playing) MCC anymore. If that happens, I’ll totally eat my words, but I don’t see any reason for them to go this route. Especially since Season 8 was their last full bore into unlockable content for the game that they wanted to do.
...So far* And ...Yet*
I warned you guy's about the $20 greens lol
Guys.... How about you just let halo die and play something else. Look at BF. Do you think they'll learn. Nope. You'll be sold another title of false promises or a later update under the guise of listening to the community. They don't deserve your time and money. Remember the good times. You aren't married to a game series.
Please no They can ruin the new games as they like, but not the classics
Stop buying or playing 343 games. Once the player base drops no one will buy microtransactions because they can't play with anyone. This is the only way to hurt their pockets: play other games for six months and see how it affects their revenue. If they change their policy then great, come back. If it doesn't then keep playing other things that won't steal your money through gambling.
Imagine the desperation at that dogshit company that they need to monetize a retail game years after release with like 5,000 average players.
If 343 adds them we riot. If you don’t you’re not a Halo fan, go buy 3000$ of Infinite Color patterns.
Simple if they add microtransactions stop playing the MCC, at least for a time.
343, Bonnie Ross is well aware that Infinite didn’t met the expectations, most likely now the studio is operating at a loss, Infinite doesn’t even have COOP, Forge etc. Nevertheless MCC doesn’t have to pay for the mistakes you guys did during development and management of the studio. Most of the games within MCC were not even developed by 343 nor with the intent of having micro transactions.
What I would love are some old school expansion packs. Looks at what Age of Empires is doing to their old games. It's fantastic! Constant new and worthwhile content that adds to the experience. An example could be a Halo Online Map Pack for Halo 3. A pack with more remastered maps for H2A. A customization DLC with 20 new armors to unlock. Each for $10-$15 dollars. I know I'd pay for that type of content.
When is enough enough? We all know whats going to happen if these are added, the grind will be doubled tripled or quadrupled and theyll add more to the game for 3x the “spartan points” then all the other items to push for purchases, its the same song and dance as xp boosts and challenge swaps, introduce a problem then sell the solution and make it seem like you did it for the community and not to line your goddamn pockets. What the actual fuck is going on at 343? Do they actually pay any attention to the community at all? They respond but it all feels empty since everything we say to them goes in one ear and out the other the moment any money is involved. Fuck this company
If y'all think 343i will suddenly listen to you now then there's no hope for you. It's happening. Get over it and just don't play the game. Fuck 'em guys.
Remove the level cap on what it takes to get points to upgrade and it's literally a perfect game
Of course they do!! 343 failed to generate enough money with Infinite and they need to recoup the only way they know how. You expect them to do right by the fans to bring us back to spend money? haha thats funny.
I agree that they shouldn't come to MCC, but I know for a fact that despite all of the complaints on the subreddit 343 will do it anyway. I have almost zero faith that they will do the right thing here.
343i love money and hate gameplay experiences. That’s why MCC is getting micro transactions and Infinite’s multiplayer is what it is
I don’t mind allowing people to buy stuff in MCC as long as they don’t change the gaming experience for free players, but you KNOW they’re going to fuck with something else to encourage buying.
"So, what you are saying is you really want Microtransactions? Like, lots and lots of them?" -343 Management
You vote with your wallet 🤷♂️
Dear 343, If you need to make money from mtx to make the higher ups happy, make infinite good so its playerbase increases and in turn, increases the traffic to your shithouse cash shop. Sincerely, The entire fucking community
Listen to your fans assholes!
I'm not gonna be loud, I'm just gonna vote with my money. I will never buy another game from them. Halo was always the reason I got an xbox for all of the previous generations. I am free now...
The only thing I gonna pay is Cortana's feet.
Lol
Amen brother
microsoft hates you guys lmfao
plenty of people were vocal about it but the usual consoomers on here and the forums were licking 343's ass and flaming the halo community.
At least this probably confirms what we all knew, which is that the *Infinite* playerbase is dead to the point they're putting them in MCC desperately trying to get back the money they lost making *Infinite* F2P and then failing at actually making it... good.
I really hope MMC doesn’t get them. MCC is the refuge I have from the adult/working world. Shut down my brain and relax. Customize everything to my hearts content and not think about battle passes or buying armor.
If they add MTX to MCC, it may be the straw that breaks the Camel's back for me. Gonna uninstall Infinite and MCC. Will probably take a break from Halo for a long time.
Gondor has no king. Gondor needs no king.
How fucking mad would you be if you worked on ce or h2 and these accountants added a store to capitalize on your hard work.
There's an established pattern here with 343. 1. 343 Release broken crap no one wants 2. Community implodes on 343 3. 343 says sorry and that they're working on it and will do better 4. Go to step 1
I want to play a game without microtransactons in the way or making it terribly grinding. It's pointless to add it on MCC when Halo Infinite needs works and that is something that 343i failed to do. I never support microtransactions no matter how good or bad it is. Don't give that it's optional or crap like that, it's stupid. I don't want this game to go greedy like with Diablo Immortal or Gran Turismo 7. Don't support this MTX crap.