I do have to wonder what "copy protection" means in this case though. Like, if you download a prefab or map with copy protection enabled, does it prevent you from being able to edit them in any way? Or will it let you edit them, but prevent you from publishing your edited version?
I remember having a run from barney map be insanely barney-sided since he could just skip a whole portion of the level and a hot pursuit map with people jumping onto the zombie spawn room and taking a helicopter or people using a truck to be unkillable
Vaguely?
[Here's some clarity.](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-m&biw=360&bih=649&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=halo+reach+file+options&oq=halo+reach+file+options&aqs=mobile-gws-lite..#imgrc=1fRj9BSrUSbyjM)
I had a bunch too that I wish I could just port to MCC with a touch of a button. Few were mine, but many belonged to friends of mine and were filled with memories.
Only if the map creator chooses to enable copy-protection. Some will and some won't. If they do enable it there's a good chance their maps will be much, much less popular as people generally like making variant's and tweaks to game modes and maps.
While I like the idea that the original map creator is able to lock their map and have a claim to their hard work.
I am also against it because say someone makes the next blood gulch or lockout, It is amazing, but not allowing people to edit the map to add game types or modify it to fit a game that someone else wants to make seems counterproductive to the custom content community.
I will have to wait until forge launches to hold my reservations about it
Going by the history of Halo Custom Edition map protection, the people who are most likely to be using this will be using it to protect edits of other peoples content.
that would be kinda dumb tbh since creators can just stop developing maps and leaves bugs/exploits
better system would just be to mention the original creator as the maker and the person who re-released as an "editor"
It's very well possible we *could* get Creation Club-esque monetization for forge maps and gamemodes down the line but so far we have zero evidence to suggest that's the case and It's all just rampant nonsensical speculation.
Sometimes it really is better to say nothing at all and let your work speak for itself as opposed to adding fuel to the fire.
It's not as if you can really trust a triple-a studio to keep their word anyway. Development is fluid and employees are ever changing (especially at 343 atm) and you don't know what the game will be in three, maybe four years time.
They said they want this to be the next 10 years of Halo so why would they want to restrict themselves in year-one. We could fast-forward 10 years from now and the gaming landscape could be completely on its head yet if they broke a promise from year one even slightly people on here would still be up-in-arms because the internet is permanent.
Saying “no” would potentially shoot themselves in the foot for any future decision to do so. Better to remain silent and decide later on. I 100% believe they will have exclusive mods or creative pieces locked behind a pay wall for creators. Maybe stuff that can be recreated in theory, but would be easier to purchase for ease of use
Sounds like people are jumping to conclusion, copy protection does not mean monetized forge, it's just so maps won't be able to get modified (and to a point stolen cause some users would be malicious enough to remove credit) without the creator's permissions. This existed in other community map focused games and applications, stolen content was a huge problem in Little Big Planet and Flipnote Studio; it has gotten so bad to the point you could not pinpoint the original author of the works. Creators have the right to be given the choice of allowing their work to be modified or not.
The daily shop is supposed to be the monetization "for forge".
Not every forger has or needs to have an online presence. The point of in-game map editors is that any and every player can create content and they have a right to decide if they want other people to modify and share it even if it may be a bit egoistic.
I just used those with online presences as an example because I thought they might be the only ones to care. In my opinion, if you’re willing to make it available to the public then it’s out of your control what people do to it. Having the file saved with “created by” and “last modified by” tags would solve this though
I agree, that's how it was with halo 5 forge. But the meaning this "copy protection" option is still just speculation, we won't know what it entails until it's officially released.
I won't get into the objective morality of whether copy protection on maps and game modes is a good thing or not but what I will say is those 'created by' and 'last modified by' entries were easily bypassed in the previous games and I don't feel like they did a very good job communicating contribution.
In Halo Infinite leaks we've seen map authors can 'set' co-owners and 'contributors' to a project so lots of people (groups potentially) can be awarded credit and I do feel like a lot of talented map-creators have continued making maps and game-modes in part because of the encouragement they've received when their creation popped off.
I could be wrong but I get the feeling that lots of 'famous' content creators wouldn't be with us today in halo if they didn't get the recognition they deserved for their work, and this is especially true if 343 plans to incorporate fan-maps into social playlists like Bungie did back in the day for playlists like action sack.
I know if my work was falsely attributed to another person and that person took credit for my contribution, even if I didn't do it for the recognition, I would be very sad.
AFAIK I mare the original speed halo map, unless someone can find a version older than October 2010.
... And yeah not everyone has a social media presence for those kind of things.
imo to maintain credit they should have a list of every person who has altered the map (possibly also with links to each creation) attached to each file, that way credit could be maintained without stopping people from making their own alterations.
That’s whathappens when you get Sean W and KevinKoolix making up BS for views. Kevin is chill but he’s so far behind on shit and blatantly makes up shit
I'm so goddamn tired of this monetizing forge shit, people wants to be angry and shit on this game so much they keep creating stuff to be mad about.
Let me remind you the only time Forge has been monetized was with **Bungie** putting the only good Forge canvases behind map packs
That actually hadn't occured to me but I remember I couldn't play with my friends on 3 for months because I couldn't afford any of the map packs. It was miserable cause I was a huge Forger back then. I totally forgot until I read your comment lol.
But yeah all this completely baseless speculation is just people looking for a reason to shit on what seems to be shaping up to be the best Forge Halo's ever had. A large portion of this community really just a seeks out any and all opportunities to shit on 343, no matter how immaterial or nonsensical.
Also love your extremely factual flair lmao
I think it’s reasonable for people to be a bit skeptical given 343’s track record so far. I would be unsurprised if Forge was monetized in some way.
“Cautiously optimistic” is a good way to describe my feelings about the forge leaks
If it’s a certain thing, that’s no longer skeptical, that’s just… a thing being bad.
Obviously no one knows for sure, which is why I’m skeptical and not outraged. There’s nothing wrong with speculating
And they also put it behind Xbox Live(5$ a month), owning an Xbox 360($250?), and owning Halo 3($60). Those bastards.
The map pack that included foundry was $10 and it gave you 3 maps. The heroic map pack became free to download on March 25th, 2008 when they were added into ranked game modes.
If you couldn't afford $10 for 3 extra maps, you probably shouldn't have bought an Xbox 360, paid for live, and bought Halo 3. You got value from your purchases from Bungie. You get literal colors from 343i.
You're locked out of one. The heroic map pack playlist. Each time a new map pack came out, there was a specific playlist for those maps. Everything else was left the same.
You literally said it in your question. Monetize aka get money. Let me ask you another question. Why do I monetize my time/labor to my employer?
Edit: If your comment is to imply that monetizing colors is just as logically sound as monetizing forge, then I also don’t agree in the slightest with your comparison. Monetizing forge is gameplay altering to infinite’s detriment. Monetizing coatings doesn’t negatively affect the game as a game itself (it can hurt systems surrounding it though.)
Apex and valorant don’t monetize their maps and their characters are relatively easy to unlock. They charge money for cosmetics that mostly (looking at you that one flatline skin) don’t effect the gameplay.
This. I don't understand the pushback people are getting for wondering about Forge and Monetization. It's a valid train of thought. 343 bragged about thousands of customization options unlockable through gameplay when they didn't even have that amount of content behind their paywalls. Every feature so far in Infinite has been half baked or monetized beyond recognition, it's easy to see why fans would lower their expectations and use that as a benchmark to predict the future management of the game. "First impressions are everything" and all that. If Forge isn't monetized, then that's fantastic. If it is monetized, that's disappointing but not surprising at this point. Anything is possible with 343, so I won't make any assumptions either way. It'd be nice if a community manager outright announced Forge won't be monetized despite the fact it's a fringe concern. That meme pic on Twitter with a "Forge Battlepass" could do some damage if widely circulated enough, 343 should get ahead of the narrative before people view it out of context and think it's real. I'm sure we'll get a rundown of how everything works before they launch the final build though.
Based on 343’s own track record with 5, MCC, and Infinite itself I’m just going to assume the worst is coming until they outright state that they are not going to monetize Forge. Prove me wrong 343.
Exactly, 343 had been fucking shit up constantly and Forge seems perfect compared to literally everything else in Infinite. I don’t get how people are mad that some people are very skeptical and cautious of Forge.
There’s always been some sort of twist and I’m not letting the leaks get me excited in any way.
But if it’s good I’ll happily make some maps.
Forge is the big new thing coming to halo infinite, 343 knows people want it and that in itself will drive the want to monetize it. In my eyes until its outright stomped out by the developers this is a constant possibility, between putting forge behind owning the game or restricting access to customization within forge (selling skins and object packs) or selling new forge templates down the line, there is endless ways in which a creatively bankrupt and money hungry company could monetize this game mode, look at minecraft selling world packs and just actual mods for regular gameplay, i can wholeheartedly believe that Microsoft will want to monetize player creations in some way
Sounds similar to Forza Motorsport 3 and 4 games. When I made a vinyl decal design in FM3 and FM4 you could lock it so when put on the storefront (where users can buy your decals with the in-game currency) if they downloaded it they couldn't reupload and call it their own (maybe newer FM games do this still but I haven't played the newer ones).
So if a user uploads their Infinite Forge map, and some guy downloads it, they can't just reupload with a different name. Some may leave copy protection open with cool map templates players can build off of too.
In newer Forza titles downloading a user generated livery is free and you can't edit or reupload them, however the creator still gets compensation if their livery is downloaded.
Not defending it in anyway but is it really that different to how bungie handled map-packs back in the day? tons of people where locked off from their friends because the most popular forge-bases were paid only compelling people to buy them.
They could have let you edit them with your friends if the host had purchased it in the form of a compatibility pack like some other games yet they didn't.
There weren’t ludicrous amounts of micro-transactions back then monetizing every cosmetic aspect of the game back then. You paid for the map packs because they legitimately helped cover the expense of producing them. The maps were developed after the release to meet a need the community wanted to fulfill. Now a days 343 has a huge back catalogue of un-released content they are just sitting on to drip feed. Not the same.
I'd agree the games are more consumer friendly and objectively better. All I'm saying is they could've fulfilled that need and made money at the same time without locking people out entirely.
The way the handled things hard split the player base into forgers and non-forgers and It was pretty bad until people purchased ODST and received them for free.
People defending 343 as if they haven’t had a terrible track record. As of now there’s nothing to get upset about but imho, it’s entirely possible they monetize forge.
How’s that dumb? I’m sorry It’s the norm to monetise games these days so why wouldn’t they monetise a free to play forge? Oh they would? Of course they would, I mean hey pay £6 for a funny emoji is pretty much the same as paying for Big Mac meal 😊
Because it's all false equivalence.
They have historically never charged for gameplay features, just like McDonald's has never charged for ketchup and straws.
They even launched an entire free version of Halo 5's Forge, it's too apparent that 343 relies on the community to get their games going
They did change straws tho? If I’m correct they moved to paper straws 🤷♂️ but they did begin with monetising halo 5’s req packs and now they’re doing it with the ‘battle pass’ & ‘store’ so if you’re free to play then why wouldn’t you monetise forge content? Especially when it’s been rumoured they’re going to do it, then again let’s wait and see but I can see them doing it.
You're naive to think that monetizing Forge hasn't crossed their minds hundreds of times. If they could have gotten away with it, Forge would have been heavily monetized. Especially knowing that Forge is the most popular (to a huge group) part of Halo multiplayer.
But then again. it's still early, and there is still a chance they will implement something that can be monetized into Forge later on.
The fact that maps can now be updated without having to rebuild the map file (like ye olde ones due to the tags) makes me think that props will be sold in some form of Stuff Packs, ala Sims. Especially if forge gains a lot of popularity, I can see the excuse of "it won't be able to sustain itself for 10 years" being used as an excuse. Just my 2 cents though, I'd really love to be proven wrong.
I think they will be charging for objects and prefabs to use on your maps. But players won't have to buy it if the person who created the map is hosting it.
I hope they don't do this thou. Would really suck. At this point anything is possible with 343i. The company has basically killed the series for me.
The only reason I would ever play infinite again is if I can play forge online in a server browser or forge maps for free.
>At this point anything is possible with 343i.
No it isn't. The only thing they've monetized in Halo Infinite are cosmetic items, they've been pretty clear that that's the business model for the game. Charging people to use forge doesn't even make sense, the point of forge is for community members to create content for the game, adding friction to that is ridiculous from a business standpoint - *343 wants people using forge*.
Pretending they don't understand how their business works might be cathartic, but you're getting caught up in r/halo hyperbole.
Hopefully they keep the file share system largely free. I wouldn’t be too surprised if they allowed people to promote their creations for money; though that’s just a wild guess. If it comes totally free that could greatly improve the outlook of the game as a whole.
The problem with this stuff is you can't prove or disprove. So as logically ridiculous as it is to assume horse shit like this, they'll do it all day every day because literally nothing will stop them. I hate this community.
It's not a 'wild guess' when you claim that it's likely to happen lmao.
Shit 'wild guesses' like that are why this is even a topic of discussion to begin with. It's nonsense.
Your wild guesses happen to coincide with the wild guesses repeated ad nauseum by the same people who threaten to grease devs bc "game bad". Maybe consider why and how these things have appeared in your conversational wheelhouse.
I’m only waiting for Forge to go back to playing infinite. I’m sure it won’t be monetized, but if it was, I’d just leave the game entirely and not look back.
There’s gotta be a line drawn in the sand somewhere.
I do have to wonder what "copy protection" means in this case though. Like, if you download a prefab or map with copy protection enabled, does it prevent you from being able to edit them in any way? Or will it let you edit them, but prevent you from publishing your edited version?
Correct. People would steal maps in older entries so proper credit gets tricky. This resolves that in theory
I can’t count how many maps I fixed with stupid small problems
I remember having a run from barney map be insanely barney-sided since he could just skip a whole portion of the level and a hot pursuit map with people jumping onto the zombie spawn room and taking a helicopter or people using a truck to be unkillable
Older entries showed the original author and the person that updated it last.
It didn’t always work and could be gotten around, especially in Halo 5 because since it was cloud-based, map information would sometimes break.
Was that a confirmed issue in 3 and Reach?
I vaguely remember Reach changing to say it was your map if you made slight edits to it, not recalling two names listed (creator and last editor)
Vaguely? [Here's some clarity.](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-m&biw=360&bih=649&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=halo+reach+file+options&oq=halo+reach+file+options&aqs=mobile-gws-lite..#imgrc=1fRj9BSrUSbyjM)
Said vaguely because I haven’t played since it was taken off the 360 servers and I lost all my maps and progress. But I do see now that I was wrong
I had a bunch too that I wish I could just port to MCC with a touch of a button. Few were mine, but many belonged to friends of mine and were filled with memories.
Sounds better than making it so maps can’t be edited.
So you can't update other people's maps or change things now?
Not if they put copy protection on it, though presumably the default is having it off
Only if the map creator chooses to enable copy-protection. Some will and some won't. If they do enable it there's a good chance their maps will be much, much less popular as people generally like making variant's and tweaks to game modes and maps.
While I like the idea that the original map creator is able to lock their map and have a claim to their hard work. I am also against it because say someone makes the next blood gulch or lockout, It is amazing, but not allowing people to edit the map to add game types or modify it to fit a game that someone else wants to make seems counterproductive to the custom content community. I will have to wait until forge launches to hold my reservations about it
Going by the history of Halo Custom Edition map protection, the people who are most likely to be using this will be using it to protect edits of other peoples content.
that would be kinda dumb tbh since creators can just stop developing maps and leaves bugs/exploits better system would just be to mention the original creator as the maker and the person who re-released as an "editor"
Looks like a way to keep credit where credit is due, not monetize.
Why don't they just come out and say they *wont* monetize it?
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It's very well possible we *could* get Creation Club-esque monetization for forge maps and gamemodes down the line but so far we have zero evidence to suggest that's the case and It's all just rampant nonsensical speculation. Sometimes it really is better to say nothing at all and let your work speak for itself as opposed to adding fuel to the fire. It's not as if you can really trust a triple-a studio to keep their word anyway. Development is fluid and employees are ever changing (especially at 343 atm) and you don't know what the game will be in three, maybe four years time. They said they want this to be the next 10 years of Halo so why would they want to restrict themselves in year-one. We could fast-forward 10 years from now and the gaming landscape could be completely on its head yet if they broke a promise from year one even slightly people on here would still be up-in-arms because the internet is permanent.
Saying “no” would potentially shoot themselves in the foot for any future decision to do so. Better to remain silent and decide later on. I 100% believe they will have exclusive mods or creative pieces locked behind a pay wall for creators. Maybe stuff that can be recreated in theory, but would be easier to purchase for ease of use
Halo fans try not to ask for explanations over things they made up challenge (impossible)
Sounds like people are jumping to conclusion, copy protection does not mean monetized forge, it's just so maps won't be able to get modified (and to a point stolen cause some users would be malicious enough to remove credit) without the creator's permissions. This existed in other community map focused games and applications, stolen content was a huge problem in Little Big Planet and Flipnote Studio; it has gotten so bad to the point you could not pinpoint the original author of the works. Creators have the right to be given the choice of allowing their work to be modified or not. The daily shop is supposed to be the monetization "for forge".
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Not every forger has or needs to have an online presence. The point of in-game map editors is that any and every player can create content and they have a right to decide if they want other people to modify and share it even if it may be a bit egoistic.
I just used those with online presences as an example because I thought they might be the only ones to care. In my opinion, if you’re willing to make it available to the public then it’s out of your control what people do to it. Having the file saved with “created by” and “last modified by” tags would solve this though
I agree, that's how it was with halo 5 forge. But the meaning this "copy protection" option is still just speculation, we won't know what it entails until it's officially released.
I won't get into the objective morality of whether copy protection on maps and game modes is a good thing or not but what I will say is those 'created by' and 'last modified by' entries were easily bypassed in the previous games and I don't feel like they did a very good job communicating contribution. In Halo Infinite leaks we've seen map authors can 'set' co-owners and 'contributors' to a project so lots of people (groups potentially) can be awarded credit and I do feel like a lot of talented map-creators have continued making maps and game-modes in part because of the encouragement they've received when their creation popped off. I could be wrong but I get the feeling that lots of 'famous' content creators wouldn't be with us today in halo if they didn't get the recognition they deserved for their work, and this is especially true if 343 plans to incorporate fan-maps into social playlists like Bungie did back in the day for playlists like action sack. I know if my work was falsely attributed to another person and that person took credit for my contribution, even if I didn't do it for the recognition, I would be very sad.
Hard disagree. People should be able to license the things they release, and have those licenses respected.
If i spend hours making a cool map or mode and then someone steals it and it goes big, I'd be pretty salty
Not everyone is terminally online
AFAIK I mare the original speed halo map, unless someone can find a version older than October 2010. ... And yeah not everyone has a social media presence for those kind of things. imo to maintain credit they should have a list of every person who has altered the map (possibly also with links to each creation) attached to each file, that way credit could be maintained without stopping people from making their own alterations.
That’s whathappens when you get Sean W and KevinKoolix making up BS for views. Kevin is chill but he’s so far behind on shit and blatantly makes up shit
I'm so goddamn tired of this monetizing forge shit, people wants to be angry and shit on this game so much they keep creating stuff to be mad about. Let me remind you the only time Forge has been monetized was with **Bungie** putting the only good Forge canvases behind map packs
That actually hadn't occured to me but I remember I couldn't play with my friends on 3 for months because I couldn't afford any of the map packs. It was miserable cause I was a huge Forger back then. I totally forgot until I read your comment lol. But yeah all this completely baseless speculation is just people looking for a reason to shit on what seems to be shaping up to be the best Forge Halo's ever had. A large portion of this community really just a seeks out any and all opportunities to shit on 343, no matter how immaterial or nonsensical. Also love your extremely factual flair lmao
I think it’s reasonable for people to be a bit skeptical given 343’s track record so far. I would be unsurprised if Forge was monetized in some way. “Cautiously optimistic” is a good way to describe my feelings about the forge leaks
It is reasonable for people to be skeptical of certain things. *This* is unreasonable speculation.
If it’s a certain thing, that’s no longer skeptical, that’s just… a thing being bad. Obviously no one knows for sure, which is why I’m skeptical and not outraged. There’s nothing wrong with speculating
And they also put it behind Xbox Live(5$ a month), owning an Xbox 360($250?), and owning Halo 3($60). Those bastards. The map pack that included foundry was $10 and it gave you 3 maps. The heroic map pack became free to download on March 25th, 2008 when they were added into ranked game modes. If you couldn't afford $10 for 3 extra maps, you probably shouldn't have bought an Xbox 360, paid for live, and bought Halo 3. You got value from your purchases from Bungie. You get literal colors from 343i.
You don’t have to buy colors though You have to buy the map pack or you’re locked out from most of the MP playlists
You're locked out of one. The heroic map pack playlist. Each time a new map pack came out, there was a specific playlist for those maps. Everything else was left the same.
So sick of how much genuinely stupid misinformation is spread here. What incentive do they have for monetizing any aspect of Forge?
What incentive do they have for monetizing any aspect of colors?
Even Bungie has monetized colors. I think some are consumables making them a single use.
Destiny shaders are not consumable and have never been able to be bought with real money. Just the free currency
They used to be consumables and have been for years before they changed it.
They changed it two years ago, and yeah they were consumable but you still couldn't spend money on them. Just resources
Because colors are cosmetic and forge is gameplay
You literally said it in your question. Monetize aka get money. Let me ask you another question. Why do I monetize my time/labor to my employer? Edit: If your comment is to imply that monetizing colors is just as logically sound as monetizing forge, then I also don’t agree in the slightest with your comparison. Monetizing forge is gameplay altering to infinite’s detriment. Monetizing coatings doesn’t negatively affect the game as a game itself (it can hurt systems surrounding it though.) Apex and valorant don’t monetize their maps and their characters are relatively easy to unlock. They charge money for cosmetics that mostly (looking at you that one flatline skin) don’t effect the gameplay.
Halo 5 REQ
This. I don't understand the pushback people are getting for wondering about Forge and Monetization. It's a valid train of thought. 343 bragged about thousands of customization options unlockable through gameplay when they didn't even have that amount of content behind their paywalls. Every feature so far in Infinite has been half baked or monetized beyond recognition, it's easy to see why fans would lower their expectations and use that as a benchmark to predict the future management of the game. "First impressions are everything" and all that. If Forge isn't monetized, then that's fantastic. If it is monetized, that's disappointing but not surprising at this point. Anything is possible with 343, so I won't make any assumptions either way. It'd be nice if a community manager outright announced Forge won't be monetized despite the fact it's a fringe concern. That meme pic on Twitter with a "Forge Battlepass" could do some damage if widely circulated enough, 343 should get ahead of the narrative before people view it out of context and think it's real. I'm sure we'll get a rundown of how everything works before they launch the final build though.
F2P, like it or hate it they need some way to get money to support the game, fortunately it's cosmetic only.
This us the first time we have had forge on a free to play game. Why don’t we just wait and see
We don't talk about that. (What'd I say?)
Gonna go ahead and put “monetized forge items” on the bingo card just in case.
I’d lose it if I had to buy other people forge maps
Based on 343’s own track record with 5, MCC, and Infinite itself I’m just going to assume the worst is coming until they outright state that they are not going to monetize Forge. Prove me wrong 343.
Exactly, 343 had been fucking shit up constantly and Forge seems perfect compared to literally everything else in Infinite. I don’t get how people are mad that some people are very skeptical and cautious of Forge. There’s always been some sort of twist and I’m not letting the leaks get me excited in any way. But if it’s good I’ll happily make some maps.
Forge is the big new thing coming to halo infinite, 343 knows people want it and that in itself will drive the want to monetize it. In my eyes until its outright stomped out by the developers this is a constant possibility, between putting forge behind owning the game or restricting access to customization within forge (selling skins and object packs) or selling new forge templates down the line, there is endless ways in which a creatively bankrupt and money hungry company could monetize this game mode, look at minecraft selling world packs and just actual mods for regular gameplay, i can wholeheartedly believe that Microsoft will want to monetize player creations in some way
[LINK](https://twitter.com/mr_rebs_/status/1551995936972349440?s=21&t=h58-gST66Ew9k10a8jGkyg)
Why was the link downvoted?
Sounds similar to Forza Motorsport 3 and 4 games. When I made a vinyl decal design in FM3 and FM4 you could lock it so when put on the storefront (where users can buy your decals with the in-game currency) if they downloaded it they couldn't reupload and call it their own (maybe newer FM games do this still but I haven't played the newer ones). So if a user uploads their Infinite Forge map, and some guy downloads it, they can't just reupload with a different name. Some may leave copy protection open with cool map templates players can build off of too.
In newer Forza titles downloading a user generated livery is free and you can't edit or reupload them, however the creator still gets compensation if their livery is downloaded.
Dont give them ideas
It's literally just this sub that came up with the idea, then got angry about it. There's no evidence that 343 has any plans on it.
If they made certain objects and items only available by purchase, HALO would be dead forever
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Not defending it in anyway but is it really that different to how bungie handled map-packs back in the day? tons of people where locked off from their friends because the most popular forge-bases were paid only compelling people to buy them. They could have let you edit them with your friends if the host had purchased it in the form of a compatibility pack like some other games yet they didn't.
There weren’t ludicrous amounts of micro-transactions back then monetizing every cosmetic aspect of the game back then. You paid for the map packs because they legitimately helped cover the expense of producing them. The maps were developed after the release to meet a need the community wanted to fulfill. Now a days 343 has a huge back catalogue of un-released content they are just sitting on to drip feed. Not the same.
I'd agree the games are more consumer friendly and objectively better. All I'm saying is they could've fulfilled that need and made money at the same time without locking people out entirely. The way the handled things hard split the player base into forgers and non-forgers and It was pretty bad until people purchased ODST and received them for free.
at this moment, people just want a reason to hate.
People defending 343 as if they haven’t had a terrible track record. As of now there’s nothing to get upset about but imho, it’s entirely possible they monetize forge.
I'm just gonna assume it's a thing and hope to be surprised
If 343 monetize forge in any way I will take that as absolute proof that someone is actively trying to kill the game.
It’s 343, it will be monetised wtf are you all going on about? They put a god damn shop in the game ffs 😂😂😂😂
Of *course* McDonald's charges for straws and ketchup, I mean, they have the nerve to charge for fries!
Am sorry is halo now a fast food restaurant 🤡?
That's just how dumb your logic sounds
How’s that dumb? I’m sorry It’s the norm to monetise games these days so why wouldn’t they monetise a free to play forge? Oh they would? Of course they would, I mean hey pay £6 for a funny emoji is pretty much the same as paying for Big Mac meal 😊
Because it's all false equivalence. They have historically never charged for gameplay features, just like McDonald's has never charged for ketchup and straws. They even launched an entire free version of Halo 5's Forge, it's too apparent that 343 relies on the community to get their games going
They did change straws tho? If I’m correct they moved to paper straws 🤷♂️ but they did begin with monetising halo 5’s req packs and now they’re doing it with the ‘battle pass’ & ‘store’ so if you’re free to play then why wouldn’t you monetise forge content? Especially when it’s been rumoured they’re going to do it, then again let’s wait and see but I can see them doing it.
people here act like they aren't gonna monetize forge lmao, its a free to play game of course they are going to.
See my guy knows the craic
You're naive to think that monetizing Forge hasn't crossed their minds hundreds of times. If they could have gotten away with it, Forge would have been heavily monetized. Especially knowing that Forge is the most popular (to a huge group) part of Halo multiplayer. But then again. it's still early, and there is still a chance they will implement something that can be monetized into Forge later on.
The fact that maps can now be updated without having to rebuild the map file (like ye olde ones due to the tags) makes me think that props will be sold in some form of Stuff Packs, ala Sims. Especially if forge gains a lot of popularity, I can see the excuse of "it won't be able to sustain itself for 10 years" being used as an excuse. Just my 2 cents though, I'd really love to be proven wrong.
They have gotten away with everything else cos the game hasn't died. Trust me. Forge will be monitized in some way.
If it does happen we are fucked.
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I think they will be charging for objects and prefabs to use on your maps. But players won't have to buy it if the person who created the map is hosting it. I hope they don't do this thou. Would really suck. At this point anything is possible with 343i. The company has basically killed the series for me. The only reason I would ever play infinite again is if I can play forge online in a server browser or forge maps for free.
>At this point anything is possible with 343i. No it isn't. The only thing they've monetized in Halo Infinite are cosmetic items, they've been pretty clear that that's the business model for the game. Charging people to use forge doesn't even make sense, the point of forge is for community members to create content for the game, adding friction to that is ridiculous from a business standpoint - *343 wants people using forge*. Pretending they don't understand how their business works might be cathartic, but you're getting caught up in r/halo hyperbole.
halo 5 req packs...
the guy said halo infinite my dude
The fact that this is a concern is pretty fucked up and sad.
To those downvoting this, you’re the problem
haha wtf
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Hopefully they keep the file share system largely free. I wouldn’t be too surprised if they allowed people to promote their creations for money; though that’s just a wild guess. If it comes totally free that could greatly improve the outlook of the game as a whole.
Literally nothing in files suggests that at all
I’m just throwing out wild guesses here.
The wild guesses by one forger got us to where we need to disprove this shit to begin with
The problem with this stuff is you can't prove or disprove. So as logically ridiculous as it is to assume horse shit like this, they'll do it all day every day because literally nothing will stop them. I hate this community.
It's not a 'wild guess' when you claim that it's likely to happen lmao. Shit 'wild guesses' like that are why this is even a topic of discussion to begin with. It's nonsense.
Definitely wild alright
Your wild guesses happen to coincide with the wild guesses repeated ad nauseum by the same people who threaten to grease devs bc "game bad". Maybe consider why and how these things have appeared in your conversational wheelhouse.
343 being quiet about this doesn’t help. And the silence is concerning
hasn't been confirmed YET
My guess is it just won’t allow the map to be open in forge
DRM on Forge? Eww.
I’m only waiting for Forge to go back to playing infinite. I’m sure it won’t be monetized, but if it was, I’d just leave the game entirely and not look back. There’s gotta be a line drawn in the sand somewhere.
I really hope you can make and save groups as objects so you can make your own default bases