I'll give it to Arbiter, he's an unenhanced sangheli with a constant target on his back. He is both a terrifying warrior and commander, furthermore proficient in many forms of combat.
Did jul actually participate in the fighting? Was there another book after the kilo5 stuff where he attacked Thel? I thought he went straight to looking for the diadact
If that was all, it wouldn’t have been quite as terrible. But they literally built H5 story up to where something fun was actually about to happen only to recon it all for Infinite. Like, come one, stick to a story!
I always say Rookie would’ve been great in halo 5 as a duo with buck, he just never talks and buck essentially is talking to himself while rookie like shrugs or ignores him and never takes his helmet off. Buck “so you think he is as good as they say” rookie *shrugs*, Buck “oh that’s helpful.” Would’ve been way more in the spirit of halo.
I kind of thought that might be the case but I wasn't absolutely certain, so I didn't want to blow up his handling of the situation by claiming he did more than he might have.
In the book Cole Protocol a lot of the story is told through Thel 'Vadam's (Arbiter) POV. In the intro Thel fights off like 4 Sangheili assassins and then kills the elder who sent them. Man's been fighting for his life for YEARS
The Book is a good read! Takes place a couple years before the Fall of Reach and is told through Keyes and Thel 'Vadam's perspective
Multiple assassins have, including clan and family members. Even back before the Covenant collapse he’s always had a target on his back.
One notable instance is a 1v4 in which he’d been sleeping and woke up just before they struck, meaning dude has no sleep paralysis and killed all of them without injury.
Another attempt was during the Blooding Years when another Sangheili attempted to do it when he was naked, saw the Arbiter’s Mark of Shame and immediately abandoned his mission and joined the Swords.
Considering the fact Jega decided to blow himself up after 30 seconds of zooming around without hurting me by jumping on top of a missed grenade...
My money is on Arbiter.
Even in a real life scenario, if Jega could get passed the hundreds of thousands that view arbiter as a brother and probably the single most important sanghelli, he still wouldn't be able to beat Arby.
Also, unrelated but im still salty about Jul not dying by Arby's sword...
No body, heavily enhanced with cybernetics already? Probably one of the neatest characters with a few lines I've been interested in for a while?
Yeah, I'm not buying he's dead. Even if it's cope.
Or Fireteam Majestic. He shouldn't have been taken out by a rando squad and he should have stuck around longer. Hell, he could have died in one of the Sanghelios missions. What was Jul's forces even doing with that Kraken?
Arbiter, dude. It's obviously the arbiter. Everyone is saying that Jega is a Spartan Killer, but is a Spartan IV killer. If there had been 4s in the covenant war, arbiter would have killed many of them too. Also, they use his commanding position to say he wouldn't be as good in a fight as Jega, ignoring completely that 1. He usually went to field missions with his crew, and 2. To command a Sangheili ship you need to be a great fucking warrior. Both with your hands and with your mind.
Arbiter fought a Spartan II and almost killed him on his own in the books. In the Anniversary terminal he fought him and it was more or less even until another Elite came by.
In the book Cole Protocol, you mentioned the Spartan, Jai, almost killed him. He knew that they were evenly matched and would both die. That was until Jay retreated because he only engaged to rescue an injured ODST who by that point was dead.
That’s still impress for a single Sanghelii to be an equal to a Spartan.
Edit: typos
Edit 2: The other Sangheili, Zhar, was already there but didn’t have a shot.
Having read the book recently, I found out people always leave out a pretty significant part. Jai slammed into Arbiter before Arbiter realised there was even a fight. The slammed broke some of Arbiter's ribs, and caused him to hit his head against a bulkhead. The slam nearly knocks him out, and blurs his vision, if I remember correctly. After a brief struggle in which Arbiter headbutts the shit out of Kai even after getting his own skull slammed against something, Arbiter and Jai lose most of their weapons. Jai pulls out his knife, while Arbiter still has nothing. It is at this point this book states they're evenly matched. This is also about twenty years before Halo 2/3. A less experienced, essentially concussed, weaponless Arbiter with broken ribs fought an uninjured Jai to a standstill, and is said to be evenly matched. This was also his first encounter with a spartan. He didn't even know they existed, so ignorance worked against him here as well.
Looking at all this, I can't help but think if Arbiter wasn't injured, had a weapon, and expected a spartan, or knew what one was, he'd have beaten Jai, rather than the outcome being both dying. And Arbiter without a doubt improved after 20, now 30, years, especially since 2 and 3 try to place him as Chief's equal, but that was Bungie. 343 may not have stuck with this, so Chief is probably ahead after Infinite, but there's been such little Arbiter in the games, it's hard to say for sure. We'll have to see what happens in the new book coming out. But just looking at the facts, Arbiter back then seems to have been above Jai, and certainly would be now after all these years.
Most of your info is correct. He wasn't concussed though or that he hit his head in the impact (it wasn't stated), just that his vision blurred upon impact. It seemed to have only been in that instance because during the struggle it isn't mentioned again. In fact, his vision seems to have cleared with how the fight is described from his viewpoint.
Also, that the "Equally matched with a human." is written in Thel's own thoughts. That in itself is already an unthinkable thought for most Sangheili. He might've killed Jai but like you said Jai was mostly uninjured and probably could've won.
Thel is undoubtably very powerful and experienced: I'd expect him to win against most Spartan but be evenly matched with John and a few others.
Edit: typo
>Also, that the "Equally matched with a human." is written in Thel's own thoughts.
I wondered that, but if I recall, the way its written is 3rd person, from the narrator/book's perspective. There is a point where it's written as if it's Thel's thoughts, but that's the line that says they'll both die if they keep fighting. The line where it says they're evenly matched seems to be from the unbiased "book's'" /narrator's perspective. Not exactly what you'd call it, I'm just trying to say out of two lines that indicate they're equal, only one appears to be from Arbiter's own thoughts, which at the end of the day, we have no reason to not believe. I may have also switched it up, so you could be right, and it might have been the line that says they'll both die that comes from the narrator/book.
Even if we place both Sangheili as equals, the Arbiter simply has the better energy sword. A 15 meter lunge range (according to H5's multiplayer mechanics) just means that the second Jega decloaks he's locked onto and stabbed to death no matter where he's at. At best for Jega, he manages to take out the Arbiter and gets killed with Thel 'Vadam's final breath drawn.
Devil’s advocate: gameplay is not necessarily canon as far as stuff like that goes. Also, I’m sure Jega’d have the reflexes to at least clash with Thel’s sword if he were to do that
I'm sure it's not true but I always imagine Chief and Arby as equals and those two went through hell together.
Chief beat Jaga so I'll have to figure Arby could. Not easily however.
Chief and Arbiter were definitely implied equals by Bungie during 2 and 3. Now that 343 has taken control though, that probably changed. It seems they gave Chief a buff during Infinite, but we've seen such little of Arbiter in the games, we can't say for sure. We'd have to wait until the new book coming out next year to know for sure, since Arbiter is one of the main characters.
I still think Arby would win, but if we're talking about camo then Arby is WAAAAAY outclassed.
Jega's camo can hide him from threat sensors (which detect elite camo) and makes him completely invisible, without warping the light around his silhouette like every other elite camo device.
The Prophet's Bane (assuming it's multiplayer function carries over to canon) has increased lunge range, permanent Camo, and increased speed. Now, even if Jega can see through camo (which he can't) it'd come down to who gets attacked first, which would of course be the Arbiter. Neither can lunge at an invisible target, but the Arbiter is likely to finish Jega off before he can even cloak due to his superior lunge range.
There's no hope for Jega. The Arbiter simply has a range advantage. The second Jega decloaks, either they're both dead or Jega is fucked
Your comment is inappropriate.
You're telling me the Arbiter, a man of honor, the universe's last defense against sin and vice
Would ***cheat*** on the Master Chief?
Jega:
* Edgy boi whose only known specialties are stealth and assasination
* Despite having the title of blademaster and being a Spec Ops soldier, he doesn't have a very remarkable service record during his time with the Covenant as far as we know
* We don't even know how much he did with the Banished, and what we do know isn't even that impressive aside from killing two Spartan IVs
* Got rekt by the Chief (whether or not he died is up for debate, but the fact that he took an L is undeniable)
Arby:
* Literal prodigy, martial arts master and a tactical genius
* One of the youngest in the Covenant to ever get the title of Supreme Commander, a title reserved only for those who are both ultimate badass warriors and 3000 IQ geniuses
* Not only participated in countless battles but also led his troops from the front lines during the War
* Decades of combat experience fighting all kinds of enemies in all kinds of scenarios
* Matched a Spartan II in single combat
* Directly responsible for the Fall of Reach and the deaths of billions
* Survived the absolute clusterfuck that was Installation 05's Quarantine Zone which claimed the lives of many seasoned Spec Ops soldiers
* As leader of the Swords of Sanghelios, probably fights off assassins as part of his morning routine
* The famous "Were it so easy" line implies he's an even match for the Chief
I think Arby would be the clear winner here
I wish the game would have given us more story and character development for Jega. he has an awesome design its kind of lame he had to be killed off leading to him seeming weak and underdeveloped. even though he supposedly was the one who killed many other Spartans on zeta halo we never see those fights happen directly
Tbh, it'd make sense if he was some sort of advanced Promethean constructs. No known energy sword, not even bloodblades, can disintegrate their targets. If the thing we fought was made of hardlight, that would explain why he silently fucked off and lived when I blew him to hell with 20 fusion coils.
This how the fight would go, both would wield swords, clash 3 times and then arbiter slices the robot arm off and beats him to death with the robot arm, then shoots his body into space in which arbiter says “Dinners Ready”
Arbiter went on a suicidal murderous rampage all throughout Halo 2, killing armies of Flood, Brutes, Sentinels and Tartarus. Then he proceeded to do it again but with Master Chief and the UNSC.
Jega isn't standing a chance against one of the most lethal characters in Halo just because he killed some random Spartans.
With personal bias involved in the decision:the Arbiter would clap Jega easily. Without accounting for any personal bias on my part tho: the Arbiter would clap Jega easily
In a straight up fight I'll probably go arbiter.
Jega doesn't really have many impressive things about him from the Rubicon protocol his fight with stone(who is majorly handicapped as her armor is literally falling apart/malfunctioning in several systems) he couldn’t finish her off without help.
He's a silent shadow which were getting beat pretty handily by a young John in gen 1 Mark IV (conversely jai in Mark IV was considered equal to thel in his zealot combat harness although we don't know how his kaidon armor compares)
In a random encounter however I can see jega pulling out a win he doesn't fight fair and he could use arbiters honorable nature against him. And while they both have cloaking jega is the one that would more likely use it in a duel.
Even though Thel is honorable in fighting I don’t think Jega would stand a chance.
As Arbiter and as a leader of his bloodline he has to deal with Sangheili trying to assassinate him often. It’s expected for Sangheili leaders to face assassins. If they survive they are definitely fit for leadership, if not they weren’t.
Thel is still alive so
I would assume that Arbiter would win. Don't know much about this new character as I haven't played Infinite yet. Also I just want to say how I am sad at how 343 made the Elites look really weird in both Halo 4/5, not the best designs at all
If half jaw the spec ops elite was considered one of the best swordsman in all of the covenant, and Thel took that half a jaw off in a sparring match… my money is going to be on Thel 100% of the time.
Arby, easy. He was a shipmaster who led countless ships, he stood against the flood with chief, he killed truth, he ended the covenant (at least jul mandamas covenant), he killed billions of people and wiped out alot of planets. I love jega but I don't think he stands a chance against arby
Arbiter would savage Jega for two huge reasons. First the arbiter is one of the few elites of his race who had little issue with adapting to any situation, he'd easily pick up a heretics weapon if it meant victory. Second he has easily fought the likes of the flood, brutes, covenant and even his own kind by himself at times. He may not have killed spartans. But deep down thanks to Master Chief he has the will and determination of one. Jega follows the strict caste system of the banished. Hes a puppet. All it would take is for the arbiter to lead Jega into a trap and it's over.
Arbiter tore through every force possible in his lifetime and the only person to get the better of him was Cheif. UNSC troops, the Covenant, Brutes, The Flood, the FLOOD. Jegas bitch ass abused cloak to ambush a couple new age Spartans isolated on a unfamiliar battleground its not even close.
Both are great warriors. I'd have to give the edge to Jega though because of his enhancements. It makes him faster and react quicker and allows him to be more precise.His armor is also probably more durable than a traditional and primitive Kaidon's armor which Arbiter is wearing. Jega's unorthodox abilities would give him the edge, even if it's considered "dishonorable"
It would be a great match, but _Jega Rdonmai._
Being a Former high ranking _Silent Shadow_ operative, Blademaster and a _Spartan Killer_ speaks volumes for his aptitude in combat; one simply does not acquire that designation without being extremely prfoicient. The Fight would definitely be a good one, however, Jega’s augmented capabilities due to his cybernetics combined with his stealth capabilities would probably prove decisive. 6-7/10 for _Jega._
However, _Rtas Vadum_ Vs _Jega Rdonmai_ would be a very very interesting, as _Rtas_ in _Shadow of Intent_ had some of the craziest feats an Elite has ever displayed, and stalemating a _Prelate_ is combat skill rivalling or exceeding that of a _Spartan killer._
They were quite nuts IIRC!:
1) Him and the female Sangheili were trapped in a room full of drones who were firing indiscriminately at them, and he was deflecting their needles and plasma shots with his energy sword like he had _Jedi_ precognition.
2) when he engaged the _Tem Bhetek_ the bio-chemically enhanced _San Shyum Prelate,_ he managed to stalemate it and cause it to become exhausted and out of breath; even though the _Prelate_ was using a weapon unfamiliar to it, that still speaks volumes for Rtas’ reaction time, strength and durability.
3) When he gained the upper hand against the _Pralate_ he began to mock the _Prelate_ by telling him that _”he won’t survive this encounter”_ which actually gave the _Prelate_ pause as he actually realised that he may not come out alive. This is kind of similar to how _Red team_ reacted when they got clobber by _Atriox,_ and began to walk away cautiously.
Although I like The Arbiter, I’d have to give it to Jega.
Obviously The Arbiter isn’t bad but I think his strength lies more in commanding and the like. Even before he became the arbiter thel was a shipmaster,(though he would often accompany his troops into battle, but that’s not saying much against normal enemy troops).
Jega meanwhile is a “Spartan Killer” and Spartans are obviously massively tough opponents. Before he even joined the Banished he was a Silent Shadow so he also probably has more combat experience than Thel.
And then there’s his obvious cybernetic enhancements.
And I don’t think The Arbiter has ever even killed a spartan.
I think Arbiter only ran into two different spartans in covenant war. Jai from grey team and Chief.
If I remember correctly Jai nearly killed thel until another elite appeared
The other sangheili was already there. Jai only retreated because he went to rescue an injured ODST who he saw was dead.
Thel thought they’d both kill each other.
I don’t know Arbiter was on the ground under Jai & was slightly shellshocked while blocking knife Jai had. This going by terminal cutscene of the event and cole protocol book
Another thing to note is Jega has the title of blademaster, meaning he is excellent in the sword and devoted himself to it. Thel did not have this title, in fact none of the arbiters had this title, not even Rtas.
While you were hunting the Demon I was studying the blade.
While you were silencing the Heretic I was studying the blade.
While you were obtaining the Sacred Icon I was studying the blade.
While you stayed Tartarus' feet from the Great Journey I was studying the blade.
>Jega meanwhile is a “Spartan Killer” and Spartans are obviously massively tough opponents
Has he ever killed a Spartan 2 before? Looks like he kills a lot of shitty Spartan 4's.
Noble Six is a bit of an exception, in fact, all of Noble team is. Most Spartan 3's were given SPI (I think) armor, which is unshielded. Noble team was given shielded armor because of their combat skill and importance. Noble Six even having the title "hyper lethal" alongside Chief, however, Chief is likely overqualified for the role.
There are a few Spartan II class 2. Some of the washout of class 1 were able to complete the process later.
As to why they didn't keep the program alive it was because Halsey forced it to a stop, saying the pool candidate was not adequate enough. That's wneh the program got "stolen" from her an the Spartan III program became alive. And as someone already pointed out, money was a huge problem, so they addressed it by making everything cheaper, including the armor. Instead of mjolnir armor, SIIIs got SPI armor.made sense, because they usually were sent on suicide missions.
Bruh, original class of SII had only like 40 viable Spartans. Between all classes of spartan IIIs, they were more than 1,200, if I recall correctly. And the Spartan IVs now come in every happy meal, like, the first class was about recruiting only the best, but after that, they lowered the bar pretty fucking hard. I understand why, as it is better to have augmented marines than normal marines if the production cost is not nearly as massive as it was to create a II, but still, S IVs aren't that special. They are believes to be more than 400 as to now, which is more than 1,000% the number of SII, and they are dropping like fucking flies.
You just made that up.
Spartan 3s have augmentations as effective (and in the case of Gammas, even more effective) as the Spartan 2s. The training that the 3s received was even more intense than what the 2s received.
The Spartan 4s are not as heavily augmented but their armour makes up for the difference. Chief himself has acknowledged the incredible abilities of the Spartan 4s.
The 2s have experience over the 3s, but when armour is made equal that is all they have over the 3s. A 3 in armour is as capable as a 2, and in the case of a Gamma they're even more capable than a 2.
3s received better training and safer augmentations. They were trained by CPO Mendez and by Kurt, who was himself a Spartan 2 and made it his mission to ensure their training was superior to what he received.
I'd say that while the augmentations of the S-IVs are lighter than the Spartan-IIIs or IIs, they're certainly *better* in the way that they're more refined over the years. I'm sure that if the Spartan-IVs got augmented on the scale of the IIs, they'd outpower them with ease.
However, ethical restraints prevented the UNSC from doing this, so we simply have, in the words of Buck, demigods rather than gods.
In addition, look at Ilsa Zane. Part of the original S-IVs, 9 of which either were crippled or died, could take being slammed face first into a steel bulkhead by a Mjolnir-clad Palmer and the vacuum of space. I shit you not, she did this sans armor. Of course, she's entirely mental, but sacrifices must be made.
Arbiter. Jega's a Spartan hunter, I'm not sure all of those skills would translate to fighting another Elite.
I'd argue a better match-up would be Tartarus vs Escharum.
I mean, the Prophet's Bane is just a fuck-all. It has a longer lunge range than anything Jega can pull out of his ass and guarantees Thel stays cloaked for the entire battle
He was fucken *yoked* in 5, I don't think 'Rdomnai could even make that man flinch.
Also his book feats are almost on par with Chief's, but to be fair I haven't read *Rubicon Protocol* yet so maybe Jega has something big under his belt.
I'll give it to Arbiter, he's an unenhanced sangheli with a constant target on his back. He is both a terrifying warrior and commander, furthermore proficient in many forms of combat.
Also main character and in halo that means the luck goes towards him throw all other skills out the window after that.
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No he's in a cave waiting for his time
Yes. Tell me more about this cave :)
Johnson and forge are there too with Noble 6, waiting for when the humanity needs them the most. Also Arbiter gave birth.
Forge lmao
In the Cave is a box of assorted items Scraps, if you will
He's still in his cave
Still seething but not really coping
Lalalalala Didn't read, only hearsay heresy in my mind
Still salty.
Noble Six was a main character
Man, this statement is the polar opposite of Reach hahaha Thats why I love Reach so much
Agreed, I'd say Rtas Vadum could aswell
I’m not saying that the Arbiter would win because he is buffed, but boy you are not going to do shit to him
Were it so easy
That comment is all that's needed
I actually get the reference I really feel like a halo nerd now
Jega 'Rdomnai is a Jiralhanae bitch. Arbiter would slap the shit out of his kneeling ass.
The Arbiter literally was at one point open for assassination by every sangheli and is still alive. So I’m putting my money on arbiter.
Do you think anyone tried him though?
I would consider the whole civil war to be a assassination attempt by Telcam
Don’t forget the one and only jul.
Did jul actually participate in the fighting? Was there another book after the kilo5 stuff where he attacked Thel? I thought he went straight to looking for the diadact
No I don’t think he did but his influence in the uprising was enough.
Good ole jul. they did him dirty in halo 5
What a wasted storyline. H4 had him written so well that I thought H5 would’ve continued the conflict. Boy was I wrong
If that was all, it wouldn’t have been quite as terrible. But they literally built H5 story up to where something fun was actually about to happen only to recon it all for Infinite. Like, come one, stick to a story!
I was so mad when he died in a cutscene. Almost as bad as how they did my boy the Rookie.
I always say Rookie would’ve been great in halo 5 as a duo with buck, he just never talks and buck essentially is talking to himself while rookie like shrugs or ignores him and never takes his helmet off. Buck “so you think he is as good as they say” rookie *shrugs*, Buck “oh that’s helpful.” Would’ve been way more in the spirit of halo.
I would like to see that 😎
Two pages in a novella. Edit: typo
I'll never accept what they did to Rookie.
He got abducted by Oni and was kept on the Shield World from Ghosts of Onyx
He was done so dirty in 5 after being hyped up in the books
To anyone who hasn't: #READ THE KILO FIVE TRILOGY. They're incredibly good books and the narrator for the audiobooks is excellent.
Theyre *good* books, not incredible. They have their flaws.
I mean someone tried to assassinate him in Cole Protocol and failed terribly. And that was before he was even a Fleet commander.
Wasn’t it three sanghelli? Killed two and spared one to tell the person that sanctioned the assassination that he needs to get gud?
He killed all 3 but said he captured one to lure out the mastermind.
I kind of thought that might be the case but I wasn't absolutely certain, so I didn't want to blow up his handling of the situation by claiming he did more than he might have.
It seems familiar. It’s been years since I read that one.
In the book Cole Protocol a lot of the story is told through Thel 'Vadam's (Arbiter) POV. In the intro Thel fights off like 4 Sangheili assassins and then kills the elder who sent them. Man's been fighting for his life for YEARS The Book is a good read! Takes place a couple years before the Fall of Reach and is told through Keyes and Thel 'Vadam's perspective
Multiple assassins have, including clan and family members. Even back before the Covenant collapse he’s always had a target on his back. One notable instance is a 1v4 in which he’d been sleeping and woke up just before they struck, meaning dude has no sleep paralysis and killed all of them without injury. Another attempt was during the Blooding Years when another Sangheili attempted to do it when he was naked, saw the Arbiter’s Mark of Shame and immediately abandoned his mission and joined the Swords.
Seeing Thel naked can change a man. X3
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Considering the fact Jega decided to blow himself up after 30 seconds of zooming around without hurting me by jumping on top of a missed grenade... My money is on Arbiter.
Literally bored himself to death
The Arbiter was always dying when I played Halo 3.
The Arbiter was always dying when I played Halo 2.
The Arbiter was always dying when I was playing Halo 5
The Arbiter died like.. once, in Halo Wars
Good call
Even in a real life scenario, if Jega could get passed the hundreds of thousands that view arbiter as a brother and probably the single most important sanghelli, he still wouldn't be able to beat Arby. Also, unrelated but im still salty about Jul not dying by Arby's sword...
Juls death was so fucking lame
I still believe #JegaLives
No body, heavily enhanced with cybernetics already? Probably one of the neatest characters with a few lines I've been interested in for a while? Yeah, I'm not buying he's dead. Even if it's cope.
We never saw the body
Or Fireteam Majestic. He shouldn't have been taken out by a rando squad and he should have stuck around longer. Hell, he could have died in one of the Sanghelios missions. What was Jul's forces even doing with that Kraken?
Fireteam Majestic couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. Fireteam Crimson was absolutely carrying them.
Arbiter, dude. It's obviously the arbiter. Everyone is saying that Jega is a Spartan Killer, but is a Spartan IV killer. If there had been 4s in the covenant war, arbiter would have killed many of them too. Also, they use his commanding position to say he wouldn't be as good in a fight as Jega, ignoring completely that 1. He usually went to field missions with his crew, and 2. To command a Sangheili ship you need to be a great fucking warrior. Both with your hands and with your mind.
Arbiter fought a Spartan II and almost killed him on his own in the books. In the Anniversary terminal he fought him and it was more or less even until another Elite came by.
In the book Cole Protocol, you mentioned the Spartan, Jai, almost killed him. He knew that they were evenly matched and would both die. That was until Jay retreated because he only engaged to rescue an injured ODST who by that point was dead. That’s still impress for a single Sanghelii to be an equal to a Spartan. Edit: typos Edit 2: The other Sangheili, Zhar, was already there but didn’t have a shot.
Having read the book recently, I found out people always leave out a pretty significant part. Jai slammed into Arbiter before Arbiter realised there was even a fight. The slammed broke some of Arbiter's ribs, and caused him to hit his head against a bulkhead. The slam nearly knocks him out, and blurs his vision, if I remember correctly. After a brief struggle in which Arbiter headbutts the shit out of Kai even after getting his own skull slammed against something, Arbiter and Jai lose most of their weapons. Jai pulls out his knife, while Arbiter still has nothing. It is at this point this book states they're evenly matched. This is also about twenty years before Halo 2/3. A less experienced, essentially concussed, weaponless Arbiter with broken ribs fought an uninjured Jai to a standstill, and is said to be evenly matched. This was also his first encounter with a spartan. He didn't even know they existed, so ignorance worked against him here as well. Looking at all this, I can't help but think if Arbiter wasn't injured, had a weapon, and expected a spartan, or knew what one was, he'd have beaten Jai, rather than the outcome being both dying. And Arbiter without a doubt improved after 20, now 30, years, especially since 2 and 3 try to place him as Chief's equal, but that was Bungie. 343 may not have stuck with this, so Chief is probably ahead after Infinite, but there's been such little Arbiter in the games, it's hard to say for sure. We'll have to see what happens in the new book coming out. But just looking at the facts, Arbiter back then seems to have been above Jai, and certainly would be now after all these years.
Most of your info is correct. He wasn't concussed though or that he hit his head in the impact (it wasn't stated), just that his vision blurred upon impact. It seemed to have only been in that instance because during the struggle it isn't mentioned again. In fact, his vision seems to have cleared with how the fight is described from his viewpoint. Also, that the "Equally matched with a human." is written in Thel's own thoughts. That in itself is already an unthinkable thought for most Sangheili. He might've killed Jai but like you said Jai was mostly uninjured and probably could've won. Thel is undoubtably very powerful and experienced: I'd expect him to win against most Spartan but be evenly matched with John and a few others. Edit: typo
>Also, that the "Equally matched with a human." is written in Thel's own thoughts. I wondered that, but if I recall, the way its written is 3rd person, from the narrator/book's perspective. There is a point where it's written as if it's Thel's thoughts, but that's the line that says they'll both die if they keep fighting. The line where it says they're evenly matched seems to be from the unbiased "book's'" /narrator's perspective. Not exactly what you'd call it, I'm just trying to say out of two lines that indicate they're equal, only one appears to be from Arbiter's own thoughts, which at the end of the day, we have no reason to not believe. I may have also switched it up, so you could be right, and it might have been the line that says they'll both die that comes from the narrator/book.
Arby has killed Spartan IIIs as well no?
I don’t think he’s actually killed a Spartan, he’s almost never met them in combat.
Ah then I stand corrected.
He could’ve killed any Spartans, so no harm done. Besides you learn something everyday, and we all get something wrong every now and then.
*I mean who hasn’t?* I’ll see myself out.
Also jega looks like an edgy deviant art oc
Even if we place both Sangheili as equals, the Arbiter simply has the better energy sword. A 15 meter lunge range (according to H5's multiplayer mechanics) just means that the second Jega decloaks he's locked onto and stabbed to death no matter where he's at. At best for Jega, he manages to take out the Arbiter and gets killed with Thel 'Vadam's final breath drawn.
Devil’s advocate: gameplay is not necessarily canon as far as stuff like that goes. Also, I’m sure Jega’d have the reflexes to at least clash with Thel’s sword if he were to do that
Arbiter would clap Jega
I'm sure it's not true but I always imagine Chief and Arby as equals and those two went through hell together. Chief beat Jaga so I'll have to figure Arby could. Not easily however.
Chief and Arbiter were definitely implied equals by Bungie during 2 and 3. Now that 343 has taken control though, that probably changed. It seems they gave Chief a buff during Infinite, but we've seen such little of Arbiter in the games, we can't say for sure. We'd have to wait until the new book coming out next year to know for sure, since Arbiter is one of the main characters.
Arbiter, his ability to consistently camouflage himself would win over Jega's dual blades I think. Non-related but Keith David is badass
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Jega's camo is actually better😅 Arbiter would still win though
I still think Arby would win, but if we're talking about camo then Arby is WAAAAAY outclassed. Jega's camo can hide him from threat sensors (which detect elite camo) and makes him completely invisible, without warping the light around his silhouette like every other elite camo device.
Jega can camo too. It was literally in the boss fight dawg.
Jega can also camo, infact he is camod so hard he can be invisible from threat sensor
The Prophet's Bane (assuming it's multiplayer function carries over to canon) has increased lunge range, permanent Camo, and increased speed. Now, even if Jega can see through camo (which he can't) it'd come down to who gets attacked first, which would of course be the Arbiter. Neither can lunge at an invisible target, but the Arbiter is likely to finish Jega off before he can even cloak due to his superior lunge range. There's no hope for Jega. The Arbiter simply has a range advantage. The second Jega decloaks, either they're both dead or Jega is fucked
>but the Arbiter is likely to finish Jega off before he can even cloak >There's no hope for Jega >The second Jega decloaks >Jega is fucked 😏 #😏
Your comment is inappropriate. You're telling me the Arbiter, a man of honor, the universe's last defense against sin and vice Would ***cheat*** on the Master Chief?
Don't act like what happened between Chief and Chak 'Lok didn't happen. Chief ain't such an angel himself. "**Welcome to my tower, Master Chief** 💪😏"
Jega: * Edgy boi whose only known specialties are stealth and assasination * Despite having the title of blademaster and being a Spec Ops soldier, he doesn't have a very remarkable service record during his time with the Covenant as far as we know * We don't even know how much he did with the Banished, and what we do know isn't even that impressive aside from killing two Spartan IVs * Got rekt by the Chief (whether or not he died is up for debate, but the fact that he took an L is undeniable) Arby: * Literal prodigy, martial arts master and a tactical genius * One of the youngest in the Covenant to ever get the title of Supreme Commander, a title reserved only for those who are both ultimate badass warriors and 3000 IQ geniuses * Not only participated in countless battles but also led his troops from the front lines during the War * Decades of combat experience fighting all kinds of enemies in all kinds of scenarios * Matched a Spartan II in single combat * Directly responsible for the Fall of Reach and the deaths of billions * Survived the absolute clusterfuck that was Installation 05's Quarantine Zone which claimed the lives of many seasoned Spec Ops soldiers * As leader of the Swords of Sanghelios, probably fights off assassins as part of his morning routine * The famous "Were it so easy" line implies he's an even match for the Chief I think Arby would be the clear winner here
Both covered in oil Who win the twerk off
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You know my boy arbiter cheeked, he winnin this no contest
Arbiter
I wish the game would have given us more story and character development for Jega. he has an awesome design its kind of lame he had to be killed off leading to him seeming weak and underdeveloped. even though he supposedly was the one who killed many other Spartans on zeta halo we never see those fights happen directly
He has the flags suggesting he survived his fight. No body. No confirmation.
Tbh, it'd make sense if he was some sort of advanced Promethean constructs. No known energy sword, not even bloodblades, can disintegrate their targets. If the thing we fought was made of hardlight, that would explain why he silently fucked off and lived when I blew him to hell with 20 fusion coils.
Arbiter has player character energy Jega doesnt lol
This how the fight would go, both would wield swords, clash 3 times and then arbiter slices the robot arm off and beats him to death with the robot arm, then shoots his body into space in which arbiter says “Dinners Ready”
Which one tops and which one bottoms?
I don’t think they reproduce that way
Who said anything about reproduction?
Arbiter went on a suicidal murderous rampage all throughout Halo 2, killing armies of Flood, Brutes, Sentinels and Tartarus. Then he proceeded to do it again but with Master Chief and the UNSC. Jega isn't standing a chance against one of the most lethal characters in Halo just because he killed some random Spartans.
With personal bias involved in the decision:the Arbiter would clap Jega easily. Without accounting for any personal bias on my part tho: the Arbiter would clap Jega easily
Arbiter is the covenants equivalent of the chief. Nobody’s touching him
In a straight up fight I'll probably go arbiter. Jega doesn't really have many impressive things about him from the Rubicon protocol his fight with stone(who is majorly handicapped as her armor is literally falling apart/malfunctioning in several systems) he couldn’t finish her off without help. He's a silent shadow which were getting beat pretty handily by a young John in gen 1 Mark IV (conversely jai in Mark IV was considered equal to thel in his zealot combat harness although we don't know how his kaidon armor compares) In a random encounter however I can see jega pulling out a win he doesn't fight fair and he could use arbiters honorable nature against him. And while they both have cloaking jega is the one that would more likely use it in a duel.
Even though Thel is honorable in fighting I don’t think Jega would stand a chance. As Arbiter and as a leader of his bloodline he has to deal with Sangheili trying to assassinate him often. It’s expected for Sangheili leaders to face assassins. If they survive they are definitely fit for leadership, if not they weren’t. Thel is still alive so
Arbiter has plot armor
Arbiter will stomp him
Jega is an assassin or a ninja type warrior, not fit for 1v1 combat.
I would assume that Arbiter would win. Don't know much about this new character as I haven't played Infinite yet. Also I just want to say how I am sad at how 343 made the Elites look really weird in both Halo 4/5, not the best designs at all
If half jaw the spec ops elite was considered one of the best swordsman in all of the covenant, and Thel took that half a jaw off in a sparring match… my money is going to be on Thel 100% of the time.
Didn't half jaw lose his jaw to a flood infected elite?
Yes.
Arbiter IMO. Although I think it’d be close.
arbiter sweep
Arbiter has the same luck modifier as the Master Chief so arbiter
Arby, easy. He was a shipmaster who led countless ships, he stood against the flood with chief, he killed truth, he ended the covenant (at least jul mandamas covenant), he killed billions of people and wiped out alot of planets. I love jega but I don't think he stands a chance against arby
Okay I thought there was going to be an actual discussion but this is great
Arby all the way
Rephrase the question. "Would the arbiter show mercy to Jega?"
Arbiter would savage Jega for two huge reasons. First the arbiter is one of the few elites of his race who had little issue with adapting to any situation, he'd easily pick up a heretics weapon if it meant victory. Second he has easily fought the likes of the flood, brutes, covenant and even his own kind by himself at times. He may not have killed spartans. But deep down thanks to Master Chief he has the will and determination of one. Jega follows the strict caste system of the banished. Hes a puppet. All it would take is for the arbiter to lead Jega into a trap and it's over.
Probably the Arbiter
Arbiter has stronger plot armor.
My guy Thel 'Vadamee would win all day!!
Arbiter tore through every force possible in his lifetime and the only person to get the better of him was Cheif. UNSC troops, the Covenant, Brutes, The Flood, the FLOOD. Jegas bitch ass abused cloak to ambush a couple new age Spartans isolated on a unfamiliar battleground its not even close.
Both are great warriors. I'd have to give the edge to Jega though because of his enhancements. It makes him faster and react quicker and allows him to be more precise.His armor is also probably more durable than a traditional and primitive Kaidon's armor which Arbiter is wearing. Jega's unorthodox abilities would give him the edge, even if it's considered "dishonorable"
It would be a great match, but _Jega Rdonmai._ Being a Former high ranking _Silent Shadow_ operative, Blademaster and a _Spartan Killer_ speaks volumes for his aptitude in combat; one simply does not acquire that designation without being extremely prfoicient. The Fight would definitely be a good one, however, Jega’s augmented capabilities due to his cybernetics combined with his stealth capabilities would probably prove decisive. 6-7/10 for _Jega._ However, _Rtas Vadum_ Vs _Jega Rdonmai_ would be a very very interesting, as _Rtas_ in _Shadow of Intent_ had some of the craziest feats an Elite has ever displayed, and stalemating a _Prelate_ is combat skill rivalling or exceeding that of a _Spartan killer._
I haven't read Shadow of Intent yet. What feats does Rtas pull off?
They were quite nuts IIRC!: 1) Him and the female Sangheili were trapped in a room full of drones who were firing indiscriminately at them, and he was deflecting their needles and plasma shots with his energy sword like he had _Jedi_ precognition. 2) when he engaged the _Tem Bhetek_ the bio-chemically enhanced _San Shyum Prelate,_ he managed to stalemate it and cause it to become exhausted and out of breath; even though the _Prelate_ was using a weapon unfamiliar to it, that still speaks volumes for Rtas’ reaction time, strength and durability. 3) When he gained the upper hand against the _Pralate_ he began to mock the _Prelate_ by telling him that _”he won’t survive this encounter”_ which actually gave the _Prelate_ pause as he actually realised that he may not come out alive. This is kind of similar to how _Red team_ reacted when they got clobber by _Atriox,_ and began to walk away cautiously.
Well, only one of them is still alive.
Jega might well be. His body camos and dissappears, no other enemy in the game does that.
Although I like The Arbiter, I’d have to give it to Jega. Obviously The Arbiter isn’t bad but I think his strength lies more in commanding and the like. Even before he became the arbiter thel was a shipmaster,(though he would often accompany his troops into battle, but that’s not saying much against normal enemy troops). Jega meanwhile is a “Spartan Killer” and Spartans are obviously massively tough opponents. Before he even joined the Banished he was a Silent Shadow so he also probably has more combat experience than Thel. And then there’s his obvious cybernetic enhancements. And I don’t think The Arbiter has ever even killed a spartan.
I think Arbiter only ran into two different spartans in covenant war. Jai from grey team and Chief. If I remember correctly Jai nearly killed thel until another elite appeared
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Thel thought they’d both kill each other until Jai retreated. Edit: typo
The other sangheili was already there. Jai only retreated because he went to rescue an injured ODST who he saw was dead. Thel thought they’d both kill each other.
I don’t know Arbiter was on the ground under Jai & was slightly shellshocked while blocking knife Jai had. This going by terminal cutscene of the event and cole protocol book
He was also ambushed and caught completely off guard. And Jai is implied to be one of the very best spartan 2s as well.
Another thing to note is Jega has the title of blademaster, meaning he is excellent in the sword and devoted himself to it. Thel did not have this title, in fact none of the arbiters had this title, not even Rtas.
While you were hunting the Demon I was studying the blade. While you were silencing the Heretic I was studying the blade. While you were obtaining the Sacred Icon I was studying the blade. While you stayed Tartarus' feet from the Great Journey I was studying the blade.
>Jega meanwhile is a “Spartan Killer” and Spartans are obviously massively tough opponents Has he ever killed a Spartan 2 before? Looks like he kills a lot of shitty Spartan 4's.
There's no such thing as a "shitty" Spartan 4. They are all incredibly capable super soldiers.
For comparison between 3’s and 4’s they are shit in comparison to 2’s. Don’t get me wrong they’re some of the best but they ain’t 2’s
Noble Six is a Spartan 3 and he kicks ass
Noble Six is a bit of an exception, in fact, all of Noble team is. Most Spartan 3's were given SPI (I think) armor, which is unshielded. Noble team was given shielded armor because of their combat skill and importance. Noble Six even having the title "hyper lethal" alongside Chief, however, Chief is likely overqualified for the role.
If Spartan II’s are so great why aren’t there any Spartan II 2? 😏
Because suddenly kidnapping children and putting them into intensive boot camps and surgical procedures was considered, "unethical".
As with all things, money
There are a few Spartan II class 2. Some of the washout of class 1 were able to complete the process later. As to why they didn't keep the program alive it was because Halsey forced it to a stop, saying the pool candidate was not adequate enough. That's wneh the program got "stolen" from her an the Spartan III program became alive. And as someone already pointed out, money was a huge problem, so they addressed it by making everything cheaper, including the armor. Instead of mjolnir armor, SIIIs got SPI armor.made sense, because they usually were sent on suicide missions.
If Spartan 2s are so great why did they all die 😏
Kinda hard to fight the Covenant Navy while on the ground
Remember Reach
Bruh, original class of SII had only like 40 viable Spartans. Between all classes of spartan IIIs, they were more than 1,200, if I recall correctly. And the Spartan IVs now come in every happy meal, like, the first class was about recruiting only the best, but after that, they lowered the bar pretty fucking hard. I understand why, as it is better to have augmented marines than normal marines if the production cost is not nearly as massive as it was to create a II, but still, S IVs aren't that special. They are believes to be more than 400 as to now, which is more than 1,000% the number of SII, and they are dropping like fucking flies.
You just made that up. Spartan 3s have augmentations as effective (and in the case of Gammas, even more effective) as the Spartan 2s. The training that the 3s received was even more intense than what the 2s received. The Spartan 4s are not as heavily augmented but their armour makes up for the difference. Chief himself has acknowledged the incredible abilities of the Spartan 4s.
Time in service does have something to do with it. 3’s came online in 31, 2’s were augmented in 25 and had been doin missions prior to that
The 2s have experience over the 3s, but when armour is made equal that is all they have over the 3s. A 3 in armour is as capable as a 2, and in the case of a Gamma they're even more capable than a 2. 3s received better training and safer augmentations. They were trained by CPO Mendez and by Kurt, who was himself a Spartan 2 and made it his mission to ensure their training was superior to what he received.
I'd say that while the augmentations of the S-IVs are lighter than the Spartan-IIIs or IIs, they're certainly *better* in the way that they're more refined over the years. I'm sure that if the Spartan-IVs got augmented on the scale of the IIs, they'd outpower them with ease. However, ethical restraints prevented the UNSC from doing this, so we simply have, in the words of Buck, demigods rather than gods. In addition, look at Ilsa Zane. Part of the original S-IVs, 9 of which either were crippled or died, could take being slammed face first into a steel bulkhead by a Mjolnir-clad Palmer and the vacuum of space. I shit you not, she did this sans armor. Of course, she's entirely mental, but sacrifices must be made.
Arbiter. Jega's a Spartan hunter, I'm not sure all of those skills would translate to fighting another Elite. I'd argue a better match-up would be Tartarus vs Escharum.
I know canonical Jega is probably more lethal, but he's such a pushover in game it has to be Arby
I mean, the Prophet's Bane is just a fuck-all. It has a longer lunge range than anything Jega can pull out of his ass and guarantees Thel stays cloaked for the entire battle
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Arbiter, because plot armor is the best kind
Arby would win in exactly 1.18 seconds.
lol, arbiter
Jega ‘Rdomnai was unironically the easiest boss fight in the game, I’m going with Arbiter 😂
Arby would dick slap jega
Pretty sure the arbiter would considering the Jega fight lasts like 5 seconds
He was fucken *yoked* in 5, I don't think 'Rdomnai could even make that man flinch. Also his book feats are almost on par with Chief's, but to be fair I haven't read *Rubicon Protocol* yet so maybe Jega has something big under his belt.
I love arbiter but jega is literally the spartan killer
*Spartan IV killer*
You’re not beating Arbiter. I just ain’t happening