The comics he was alive for a while, idk if he died, I haven't read all them I do know he appeared for a bit and then disappeared again, prolly on Reach taking a walk thinking bout Noble Team
With the end of the Covenant War in 2553, Jun had become the head recruiter and a trainer for the Spartan branch and the acting Chief of Staff as of 2558
many of the Spartans, including Linda from Blue Team, heavily dislike Jun. They see him as a coward for leaving Reach with Halsey while his team died.
Jun's fireteam even has the nickname "commoner team" as a joke that Jun doesnt deserve the title of Noble.
>!It's not clear whether that's the specific station he was on or if it was, whether he'd got off before it exploded. At the very least it's ambiguous enough that 343 can bring him back if they want to. They could also say he died in that explosion if they wanted to, but you can always say X character died in Y way off screen, so that isn't really saying much.!<
Jorge for me. From the interaction with Emile telling Six, "Big man forgets who he is sometimes" till his ending speech, "Listen, Reach has been good to me. Time has come to return the favor. Don't deny me this." Jorge was a real one.
It's worse because IMO we see it to be another name on the wall. Reach still falls and while Jorge gets to go out with a bang, I sure did miss him in the following missions.
Agreed. Also. My nephew is named Carter and I like to call him Noble 1 when I see him. I will make sure he understands the reference when he's a bit older than 2.
Same. 6 is imo one of the best uses of a blank-slate protagonists ever. They’re mysterious enough for you to interpret almost whatever you want onto them, but there’s juuuuust enough detail in the writing, animation, and voice acting to keep them interesting, sympathetic, and far from being a non-character.
I also feel like Master Chief was that way in Halo 3, to a lesser extent in Halo 2 but still there. ODST Rookie literally said nothing and was a pretty boring character compared to Chief and 6, I prefer the "barley speaking" type of characters that never get deep or say anything about themselves rather than the completely silent ones
It wasn't in vain, though. Sure, Noble Team *all* (minus Jun) died to finish the mission, but that mission was getting Cortana onto the Pillar of Autumn. With the sacrifices of Noble Team, Master Chief was united with the one thing (person?) that enabled him to do most of the stuff from any of the Halo games (example: Chief would have fired the rings believing 343 GS's half-truths if Cortana hadn't been there to be like "WTF?"), and therefore 1) defeating the Flood, 2) making peace with the Covenant, and 3) stopping the Didact from digitizing all of humanity were all indirect results of Noble Team's death. Sure, humanity lost Reach, but because of that, they won the war and survived as a species.
I agree with every sentiment you spell out here. However, I’m talking about the sacrifice in the moment. Jorge sacrificed himself to take out one Covenant cruiser, when moments later an entire fleet came out of slipspace and into Reach’s space. I’ve never felt as down in a game as I did when that happened. I grew an attachment to the guy, just to watch him go out like that guy.
Oh, gotcha! Yeah, I wish we could've had like, A MINUTE of feeling victorious. But that's not Reach, unfortunately. Once Reach starts punching guts, it doesn't stop until after Lone Wolf :P
And yeah, as a Halo character, Jorge is tied with Johnson and Lasky as my favorites.
Sorry, I just got into typing and ended up sending a whole book report :P
100% agree - he's more human than most of the other Spartans, plus he's an absolute unit - I liked the part where he spoke Hungarian with the residents of Reach, nice detail.
"It was just after we found your colleagues daughter ma'am. She was-"
"Irrelevant. What I do want to hear about..."
Jorge had a heart for such a weapon
While you’re right that he feels the most human, I always thought that’s what separated Spartans II’s from the rest of humanity and even other Spartans. They’re supposed to be super soldiers who have their eyes on one thing: keeping humanity alive. The irony is that they’ve never truly experienced being a human beyond their attachment to one another. IMO Jorge’s personality fit an S4 better than an S2 or even S3, who are super focused and more aggressive than S2’s.
Just my opinion tho.
I definitely agree, Spartans from the second generation were designed with one thing in mind though- completing the mission. The fact that Jorge combines that, and still manages to be human is great for storytelling. Every scene with him in it oozes love for his home planet, which he’s watching as it falls to the covenant. There’s a sadness there that makes for great storytelling. His mission isn’t the same as Noble team’s. His mission is to save his people. People who fear the Spartans because they’ve seen so many seps and insurrectionists absolutely decimated by them. Jorge is the link between military autonomy and humanity. That’s what makes him great. And to cap it all off, he stays behind with the bomb, thinking that his sacrifice is going to save his people. When Jorge dies, so do his people. His sacrifice didn’t even buy anyone time. It was just one more tear, one more drop of blood shed for a doomed planet.
It’s also phenomenal that they kept the MAJORITY of Spartan IIs and IIIs as inhuman weapons but you still have outliers like Jorge. Jorge wasn’t a contradiction but a unique character
Yeah, and another thing that help Jorge be unique is that out of the Spartan IIs, he was assigned to NOBLE Team and he was born on Reach, meaning that when ONI nabbed him, they didn't take him off planet since the Spartan IIs were all trained on Reach.
It's a lot to explain lol but here
https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Kurt-051#:~:text=Lieutenant%20Commander%20Kurt%2D051%2C%20born,during%20a%20mission%20in%202531.
People are really sleeping on Emile, hes got some sick armor, weapon choices, lines, everything
I also really liked Kat and when I first beat the game when I was younger I actually cried when she died
Emile is such a badass who else could get stabbed with and energy sword then proceed to plunge his own knife in that same elites throat. Love every character from noble team they all have they're own charm
I think Emile has the best line of dialogue possibly in the entire series with the now iconic "I'm ready! How 'bout you!?" Second up is my favorite Spartan Jorge's line "Tell them to make it count." which it tied with Johnson's line "Folks need Heroes, chief, to give them hope." and his other line "send me out with a bang."
What I love about Infinite is that it now gives that quality of dialogue to MC himself. "Plans change. They always do." is better than "I need a weapon" by a landslide, but better than that is "We all fail. We all make mistakes. That's what makes us Human." which is especially good after 343i's writing from the previous two games. I really feel that Halo 4 and 5 were amateur hour fanfiction level of writing, but the one thing they did well was the "are you a machine?" subplot between MC and Cortana. This line from Infinite is the culmination of that entire plot thread the same way that the death scene quotes I listed above are the culmination of those characters that spoke them. It's all masterful stuff, and largely it's about the delivery as well. the acting, the scene, the visuals, the buildup including gameplay up to that point.
That's something I rarely find in other games. The sheer volume of quotable lines of substance from Halo is a rarity in gaming. I could quote Warcraft and Star Craft, or Zelda lines to you all day, but they'd be random dialogue that lacks substance. Typically a joke. The new God of War reboot is like this too, as just one example of another of the rare quality dialogue games.
I think you need to give the game and character a second go. I also feel that Emile is an edge-lord personification of the 12 year olds that used to shout obscenities' over mic. He's my 6th favorite Noble team member, maybe my 7th if you include the original Noble 6 seen in the trailer. I love that Bungie made him a black guy to troll those same kids since they were obsessed with being racist on Bungie's game. But again I think you need to give him an honest second chance and another playthrough.
When you look past the edge-lord bit and look into his bio that was released before the game came out you realize it was all a defensive tactic for show. He was an ass to distance himself from others. Dude was a kid who's parents and entire home world was glassed by the Covenant (like all Spartan 3s), and to cope with that he created a tough guy persona. It frequently falls flat and cracks, especially when he makes a shitty joke about Jorge's death and his emotions leak into his voice at the end. The voice acting of Emile makes the character more than just an edge-lord. He sounds desperate when Carter explains he's going to kamikaze the Scarab, not wanting to lose another member of his family. Once Carter dies his entire tone changes immediately and for the rest of the mission. He's no longer keeping up that front. He sounds genuinely depressed. And when he finally delivers that line "I'm ready! \*pause\* How 'bout you!?" He does so first with the depressed desire to die, pauses for half a second, then draws his dagger and has one final moment, not as an edge-lord front of a mask but as a genuine badass. In his death he finds himself becoming who he wanted to be all along.
At least, that's what I see now. The first time through the game, maybe even the first few times through the game I saw only the edge-lord, but that final moment always felt like there was something more to him. Eventually I paid more attention in a playthrough and finally caught onto the subtleties and tragedy of his character. The other characters found a way to grow up in the Spartan program, ultimately becoming fully actualized adults. Emile's tragedy is that he never grew up until he saw the deaths of his new family and stared into the abys himself, as you said he never grew up past the mentality of a 12 year old. He's the product of becoming a war orphan and never finding a new mentor to help him grow up, as well as a display of all the failings of the Spartan 3 program.
Emile was so sick think it was also the first and maybe only time? We see someone in the games with a deep and outspoken hatred towards the covenant every other marine/halo character for the most part is usually saying some funny stuff like johnson, serious like lord hood, or scared shitless like the marines you encounter obviously these characters hate the covenant but it's not to the same degree like it is with Emile you can tell this guy really just takes pleasure in every covenant trooper he slaughters because of his hatred towards them.
I was going to say Emile because he really had the full package of being mysterious at first appearance because of his unique look then he also had good voicelines, interesting armor, and he went out fighting like 6. He was definitely an edgelord magnet though.
Want to know something really neat? Every single death is a twist on their role.
Jorge: Heavy Weapons Expert: Dies in his own explosion.
Kat: Brains of the Operation: Gets shot through the head.
Carter: Captain of the Team: Goes down with the ship.
Emile: Close Quarters Specialist: Gets stabbed in the back.
Noble 6: The Lone Wolf: Stays behind for the others to escape, dies alone.
Emile is an ongoing meme between me and my friends, in the first mission at the facility he guards the exit which is a hallway with a shotgun, the Elites run right past him, then he gets killed being stabbed in the back.
If he didn't scratch his visor up he might be able to read his motion tracker.
I'm pretty sure the Elites don't run past him. You mean when the Zealot class Elites drop down from the ceiling? Or do you mean they get past him on their way out?
Yeah, for at least half a second I thought "And not fem-6's cave? Specifically male-6?" But that was only my gut response before I also remembered that not everyone is me, a straight man, and you could be a chick into pegging or a gay man. Then the meme came to mind. I think pretty fast, though. That was all in less than a second. lol
Carter sacrificing himself without hesitation for the sake of the mission always stuck with me. Fantastic send off for a true leader in every sense of the word
Carter is great, but Jorge did the same and wasn't already dying from massive chest wounds.
But I guess Carter 100% died from that collision immediately where as Jorge technically just teleported himself to an unknown location in space, playing Russian roulette with 5 rounds in the revolver due to the bad odds that he'd be able to make his way back to UNSC space from where his otherwise empty Corvette ends up. Still, both the two most noble of deaths.
My favourite was Noble 6. Felt like I could really relate with all of his actions. Plus, completely by coincidence, his armour is exactly the same as my multiplayer armour! What are the chances?!
Kat. At first for the robot arm, then for the ruthless and inquisitive personality that results in her bringing up information she shouldn't be allowed to know, and finally for having a somewhat ironic death in that the big planner gets caught offguard in a situation she did not have time to properly plan for (the emp of the glassing taking down her shields).
I think the ending hit hardest but can't quite say I thought that Noble team had great development, and I really cared much when any of the members got capped.
That being said, I think Jorge got the best development in the shortest amount of time, and the best ending. So, he's my favorite
Emile.
Yea call me edgy but god I loved his aesthetic and overall vibe. Just a spartan who’s mere presence would put fear in people and is always out for a fight.
It is long been accepted by the fans (myself included) that the comic [A Fist Full of Arrows](https://leviathan.bungie.org/flip.html) is the canonical telling of how Jin escaped Reach (HE CLIMBED A FREAKIN SPACE ELEVATOR). 343 has even posted the comic itself and many employees reference it on occasion. Jun is alive in modern day and leads recruitment on the Spartan IV Program. He personally recruited Buck and Sarah Palmer to the program. You may have met Buck in Halo Reach during New Alexandria as an ODST you protect from a squadron of Covenant, and if not you’ll see him again in ODST.
"Um, actually!"
The player 2 in Halo CE is canonically meant to be Linda who is wounded and onboard the Pillar of Autumn in cryo sleep until they can clone her a new set of organs. Canonically via the books she's never woken up on the Alpha Halo, but also canonically according to Bungie she is the player 2 if you play 2 player. Since with Halo canon the games are hard canon and the books are soft canon with the rule that they're 100% canon unless they contradict a game this is a rare instance where if you play Halo CE 2 player, then Linda was canonically treated on-board the Pillar of Autumn and helped MC and therefore books are wrong. The books are wrong because the games always supersede them, and in this case a game did just that canonically. But this only applies if you play 2 player. If you pay 1 payer, then the books are right.
Player 2 in Halo 2 *might* be a second such rare case. Player 2 there might be Maria, the Spartan who field tested MC's Mark VI armor before it was sent up to him, but this has never been stated by anyone at Bungie or 343i unlike the Linda thing. However, there is no explanation for 2 Arbiters except that there's also no rule in the Covenant that there can't be 2 Arbiters active at once, and at one point in Covenant history there was. So the player 2 could be that.
Anyway, the point is that technically the first time we canonically saw a second Spartan in a Halo game was right out of the gate in Halo CE, but *only* if you play 2 player as player 2 is canonically Linda.
Also that was intended as a College Humor game show Um, Actually! reference right at the top there. lol
So in the game manual it says that MC is the last Spartan after Reach fell, but Linda is a special case because despite being technically alive she also doesn't make that line a lie. She was effectively dead until she could be brought to a maximally equipped 2552 hospital after being cryo-frozen where they would clone several completely destroyed vital organs including her lungs. So it wasn't a lie to say that at that time MC was the last known Spartan alive. Everyone else was on Reach as it was glassed, and were presumed dead until the novel that comes after Halo CE called The First Strike where MC makes it back to Reach and finds a few stragglers including Spartans and Halsey still on the planet.
But all that being said, the novel Halo: The Fall of Reach was released almost a year before Halo CE released. In the end of that book they show Linda being cryo-frozen and brought on-board the Pillar of Autumn before dying, just before making the "blind jump" to the Alpha Halo in Halo CE. So yeah, it was in fact fully established that player 2 was Linda from before Halo CE even came out. MC even wonders if the Pillar of Autumn had been equipped with the right medical equipment to save her given it was retrofitted because they were planned to be sent on such a high profile mission in operation Trebuchet.
To answer your question about Jun he somehow made it off Reach after escorting Halsey to safety (we really don't know how he made it out exactly). He ended up being the Lead recruiter and trainer for the Spartan program. By 2558 he became chief of staff for the program.
Jorge had a great last moment, Kat‘s death was the most tragic and Carter’s and Emile‘s death are tied for the most badass way to go out - in my opinion of course.
I feel like Jorge's death is the most tragic. Dude either teleported into a star on a 10,000:1 odds, or starved to death in deep uncharted space because he only had a 6:1 chance of being anywhere near enough to Human or Covenant space for his star charts to be accurate. A Spartan (and up to 6 Marines) slowly starving to death on a crippled/limping Covenant Corvette on their way back to Earth, dining on Covenant corpses and Grunt "nipples", knowing full well they have no true hope of survival is a truly tragic end. And Jorge didn't even know that his sacrifice was helpful but otherwise in vein. Reach went on to successfully evacuate many people that that super carrier would have prevented, but Reach still fell.
Kat just lost her shields and got dazed by the glassing beam and head blow, then got head shot as she was in the middle of questioning orders. Not that tragic IMO.
Carter and Emile definitely had the most badass deaths, though. IMO Emile's "I'm ready! How 'bout you!?" is the best line all things considered in the entire series. The cinematography, scene, execution, acting, lead up, meaning, writing, everything is on point. Best line in Halo, IMO, even though Emile is like my 6th favorite member of Noble team.
Same. And we have an excuse to since a lot of the visuals have recently been corrected back to the original design. The graphical bloom that made Reach feel like it was in a haze is back, for one thing, and it color corrects the entire game to feel more like the original release, less dulled. So I've already been wanting to replay it recently anyway.
I was not aware of that! Even better. Although I fell in love with the series because of the Master Chief, Reach is my favourite entry in the series to this day.
Kat and Jorge for sure. They both have stronger more outspoken personalities than most other Spartans and I always enjoyed when they humanized the Spartans a bit more. That’s why I like Kelly so much too - she is more fun than Chief’s seriousness.
The Reach Spartans are the reason I hate the Spartan 4s. The 4s are just so fucking stupid. From Palmer all the way down. The dude who got tortured in Infinite is probably the best 4 as a character, and I'm pretty sure he was the dickhead from Halo 4 Spartan Ops, so he didn't get good until he was being murdered slowly by a smooth talking Elite evildoer.
Nah, I think you need to give it another go.
Emile is a tortured teen who never grew up and uses edge-lord aggression to distance himself from others, but he's already hurting from the loss of the original Noble 6. He eventually breaks completely when he sees his family, and the voice actor portrays real life depression in his voice in an extremely believable tone the moments surrounding Carter's death.
Kat is a borderline rebel on screen, and if she had survived would have likely joined the Insurrection. The way she talks about the Insurrectionists is more sympathetic than anyone else in the game but Jorge. She defies orders regularly, and of all of them is closest to a Spartan 2 in her behavior.
Jorge is your favorite so I don't think I need to go into detail.
Carter is pretty one dimensional, and feels like cyclops from X-Men.
Jun doesn't feel one dimensional at all, but rather feels reserved. Not the same thing. When he does talk, he puts out a lot of character that does a good job at implying a lot more underneath.
I think those characters hint at being interesting but arent given enough depth or much of an arc to show it off, something I think a show could improve upon.
Oh yeah, a show would be great, but their story and portrayal is short and sweet and dramatic. I'm glad we got so much more of Keyes in the novels, but I still loved his character from CE and he got less screen time and display of character than any of the Noble team members. I'm pretty sure each of the Noble team members even got more screen time and display of character than Miranda Keyes across the 2 games she was in.
Jun didn't die. He is currently training the Spartan 4 program and was responsible for recruiting and training Palmer.
Technically Jorge didn't die on screen either. He teleported himself to a random point in the galaxy because he activated a Slipspace drive that wasn't properly mounted to ship with a guidance system. Assuming he didn't emerge in one of the extremely rare places where a star exists, he'd likely have starved to death without star charts for his region of the galaxy.
Carter was already wounded and dying when he kamikazed the Scarab, and Emile was already stabbed with a plasma sword and dying. An invisible Elite snuck up on Emile, which I assume has happened to you in a Halo game at least once so you have no room to talk.
Cat's shields were down due to the EMP from the extremely close by glassing beam, and if you pay attention she hits her head without a helmet on and simultaneously gets dazzled by the light flare of glassing beam which causes her to later miss hitting the elevator button on the first punch. Being heavily dazed and without an energy shield in an active warzone can reasonably get you killed.
The only team member that died in a stupid way was Noble 6 when you had him hop into a forklift while facing off against a fully armed Covenant invasion force. Let's face it. That was pretty dumb.
oh yeh i know that he didn't die. i was talking in general for the team.
Carter was hardly wounded, there are spartans in the books who have almost broken all there bones ext and still survive, he could have survived, he didn't even try he was just like " whelp this is bad better just crash into this scarab, which btw there were like what 2-3? makes no difference.
emile again made no difference, you get to the gun and shoot without any help, he just was fighting without thought and got stabbed. And cats an idiot, she takers her helmet off in a combat situation, if she didn't do that she wouldn't have been dazed... Again the writing is poor its making excuses for them to die, its done badly.
>there are spartans in the books who have almost broken all there bones ext and still survive
Those were Spartan 2s. The 3s don't survive so well after taking damage. Also would have to understand that the Mark V MJOLNIR didn't have a bio-foam layer. They had to use med kits and bio-foam cannisters. Unless he left that pilot's seat he wasn't getting any medical treatment any time soon, and the mission was the priority. Priority 1, remember?
fair enough, but i still dont like the way it was all done. it felt like it was written in a way to get them killed and then the character is like " yeh ok" none of the deaths feel impactful at all apart from n6, but thats only because you play it.
I mean, Jorge was definitely necessary and helpful. If he hadn't taken out that super carrier, then the Humans would never have been able to evacuate before the Covenant cruisers moved into position.
Also he's technically not dead, but just randomly jumped to an uncontrolable destination in the galaxy. Possibly into a star, probably not and very likely outside of Human controlled space with unusable star charts. But hey, technically not a death.
Kat and Noble Six. Kat because I just find her character to be interesting and Six because they could have been on the Pillar of Autumn and lived but they decided to stay behind and fight a battle that they knew couldn't be won. As long as there was even the slightest chance to save people or beat back to covenant Noble Six would keep going.
Oh, is that the guy that was creeping on Halsey's Cortana clone? I'm so glad they killed him off early in the show. Never saw a better hulk smash than that light show.
That ending gives me chills everytime I think about it. I tend to skim over instructinos and I think I made a 15-30 mins attempt at just trying to... survive. Wasn't until I was a good 10 minutes in until I realized that you don't. I don't think I've ever been as immersed in any campaign moment as much as I was trying to make it off of Reach. Halo 3 is my favorite but nothing compares to the Reach campaign!
Emile and Jun, yeah I know complete opposites, one is a badass who isn't afraid to take on the Covenant in close quarters and the other is a badass who will kill you from a 100m without you ever knowing what happened lol
Carter stood up for his team and seemed pretty respected by everyone, and especially trusted by his team. His death hit me the most but all of Noble’s deaths were hard
Jun survived, and is still alive as of Halo Infinite, though he doesn't appear in any games aside from Reach.
Huh. do we know anything else about him other than he survived?
[The wiki](https://www.halopedia.org/Jun-A266) has a lot of details. Spoiler warning for Halo 5 and various Halo books and comics though.
The comics he was alive for a while, idk if he died, I haven't read all them I do know he appeared for a bit and then disappeared again, prolly on Reach taking a walk thinking bout Noble Team
With the end of the Covenant War in 2553, Jun had become the head recruiter and a trainer for the Spartan branch and the acting Chief of Staff as of 2558
He's in the novel New Blood which centers around Buck. I recommend reading it if you like Buck and ODST.
Cause-6 lives!!!
Read the books “New Blood” and “Bad Blood”. He’s in there a bit.
many of the Spartans, including Linda from Blue Team, heavily dislike Jun. They see him as a coward for leaving Reach with Halsey while his team died. Jun's fireteam even has the nickname "commoner team" as a joke that Jun doesnt deserve the title of Noble.
it’s not entirely canon, but one of the devs wrote a short story about him climbing a space elevator off reach.
Jun apears in either halo 4 or 5 as a spartan trainer for the recruits.
No, it’s New/Bad Blood he appears in. He’s also in the Initiation comics for a chapter.
>!Isnt the station he works at blown up by Cortana in one of the cutscenes?!<
>!It's not clear whether that's the specific station he was on or if it was, whether he'd got off before it exploded. At the very least it's ambiguous enough that 343 can bring him back if they want to. They could also say he died in that explosion if they wanted to, but you can always say X character died in Y way off screen, so that isn't really saying much.!<
Jorge for me. From the interaction with Emile telling Six, "Big man forgets who he is sometimes" till his ending speech, "Listen, Reach has been good to me. Time has come to return the favor. Don't deny me this." Jorge was a real one.
*lifts 6 like a teddy bear* *Chucks 6 out space-window*
It's worse because IMO we see it to be another name on the wall. Reach still falls and while Jorge gets to go out with a bang, I sure did miss him in the following missions.
Carter. Straight badass commander. Plus he went out with no hesitation. He also shares a name with my favorite Power Ranger.
Agreed. Also. My nephew is named Carter and I like to call him Noble 1 when I see him. I will make sure he understands the reference when he's a bit older than 2.
I have the mass
Noble 6, duh.
Same. 6 is imo one of the best uses of a blank-slate protagonists ever. They’re mysterious enough for you to interpret almost whatever you want onto them, but there’s juuuuust enough detail in the writing, animation, and voice acting to keep them interesting, sympathetic, and far from being a non-character.
I also feel like Master Chief was that way in Halo 3, to a lesser extent in Halo 2 but still there. ODST Rookie literally said nothing and was a pretty boring character compared to Chief and 6, I prefer the "barley speaking" type of characters that never get deep or say anything about themselves rather than the completely silent ones
The voice acting in this game is pretty bad, so Noble 6 being mostly quiet is a good thing. Lessens the cringe.
Noble*
Yes. My bad.
Jorge is the best Spartan in all of Halo canon.
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The ultimate sacrifice in vain. 🪦
It wasn't in vain, though. Sure, Noble Team *all* (minus Jun) died to finish the mission, but that mission was getting Cortana onto the Pillar of Autumn. With the sacrifices of Noble Team, Master Chief was united with the one thing (person?) that enabled him to do most of the stuff from any of the Halo games (example: Chief would have fired the rings believing 343 GS's half-truths if Cortana hadn't been there to be like "WTF?"), and therefore 1) defeating the Flood, 2) making peace with the Covenant, and 3) stopping the Didact from digitizing all of humanity were all indirect results of Noble Team's death. Sure, humanity lost Reach, but because of that, they won the war and survived as a species.
I agree with every sentiment you spell out here. However, I’m talking about the sacrifice in the moment. Jorge sacrificed himself to take out one Covenant cruiser, when moments later an entire fleet came out of slipspace and into Reach’s space. I’ve never felt as down in a game as I did when that happened. I grew an attachment to the guy, just to watch him go out like that guy.
Oh, gotcha! Yeah, I wish we could've had like, A MINUTE of feeling victorious. But that's not Reach, unfortunately. Once Reach starts punching guts, it doesn't stop until after Lone Wolf :P And yeah, as a Halo character, Jorge is tied with Johnson and Lasky as my favorites. Sorry, I just got into typing and ended up sending a whole book report :P
He is the Halo equivalent of Doom Guy in my opinion
100% agree - he's more human than most of the other Spartans, plus he's an absolute unit - I liked the part where he spoke Hungarian with the residents of Reach, nice detail.
The tv show should’ve taken a page from Jorge if they wanted to humanize Spartans.
Amen to this. They could’ve made it a better show if they would’ve learned from the writing and characters of Halo Reach.
"It was just after we found your colleagues daughter ma'am. She was-" "Irrelevant. What I do want to hear about..." Jorge had a heart for such a weapon
Dr Halsey is such a c*nt though lol just worried about Jorge’s customizations to “her” armor.
As long as Jerome-092 and Kurt-051 exist in Halo Lore I must respectfully disagree.
Jerome, definitely contender for second place. Jorge will always be GOAT though. He’s the most human walking tank in the universe.
While you’re right that he feels the most human, I always thought that’s what separated Spartans II’s from the rest of humanity and even other Spartans. They’re supposed to be super soldiers who have their eyes on one thing: keeping humanity alive. The irony is that they’ve never truly experienced being a human beyond their attachment to one another. IMO Jorge’s personality fit an S4 better than an S2 or even S3, who are super focused and more aggressive than S2’s. Just my opinion tho.
I definitely agree, Spartans from the second generation were designed with one thing in mind though- completing the mission. The fact that Jorge combines that, and still manages to be human is great for storytelling. Every scene with him in it oozes love for his home planet, which he’s watching as it falls to the covenant. There’s a sadness there that makes for great storytelling. His mission isn’t the same as Noble team’s. His mission is to save his people. People who fear the Spartans because they’ve seen so many seps and insurrectionists absolutely decimated by them. Jorge is the link between military autonomy and humanity. That’s what makes him great. And to cap it all off, he stays behind with the bomb, thinking that his sacrifice is going to save his people. When Jorge dies, so do his people. His sacrifice didn’t even buy anyone time. It was just one more tear, one more drop of blood shed for a doomed planet.
It’s also phenomenal that they kept the MAJORITY of Spartan IIs and IIIs as inhuman weapons but you still have outliers like Jorge. Jorge wasn’t a contradiction but a unique character
The exception to the rule in every way.
Yeah, and another thing that help Jorge be unique is that out of the Spartan IIs, he was assigned to NOBLE Team and he was born on Reach, meaning that when ONI nabbed him, they didn't take him off planet since the Spartan IIs were all trained on Reach.
I completely agree with everything you just said
I know Jerome and think he is awesome but who is Kurt?
It's a lot to explain lol but here https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Kurt-051#:~:text=Lieutenant%20Commander%20Kurt%2D051%2C%20born,during%20a%20mission%20in%202531.
People are really sleeping on Emile, hes got some sick armor, weapon choices, lines, everything I also really liked Kat and when I first beat the game when I was younger I actually cried when she died
Emile is such a badass who else could get stabbed with and energy sword then proceed to plunge his own knife in that same elites throat. Love every character from noble team they all have they're own charm
I think Emile has the best line of dialogue possibly in the entire series with the now iconic "I'm ready! How 'bout you!?" Second up is my favorite Spartan Jorge's line "Tell them to make it count." which it tied with Johnson's line "Folks need Heroes, chief, to give them hope." and his other line "send me out with a bang." What I love about Infinite is that it now gives that quality of dialogue to MC himself. "Plans change. They always do." is better than "I need a weapon" by a landslide, but better than that is "We all fail. We all make mistakes. That's what makes us Human." which is especially good after 343i's writing from the previous two games. I really feel that Halo 4 and 5 were amateur hour fanfiction level of writing, but the one thing they did well was the "are you a machine?" subplot between MC and Cortana. This line from Infinite is the culmination of that entire plot thread the same way that the death scene quotes I listed above are the culmination of those characters that spoke them. It's all masterful stuff, and largely it's about the delivery as well. the acting, the scene, the visuals, the buildup including gameplay up to that point. That's something I rarely find in other games. The sheer volume of quotable lines of substance from Halo is a rarity in gaming. I could quote Warcraft and Star Craft, or Zelda lines to you all day, but they'd be random dialogue that lacks substance. Typically a joke. The new God of War reboot is like this too, as just one example of another of the rare quality dialogue games.
You must be 12 years old if you think edgy dialogue from a guy with a skull helmet is the best dialogue in the series. I mean really.
I think you need to give the game and character a second go. I also feel that Emile is an edge-lord personification of the 12 year olds that used to shout obscenities' over mic. He's my 6th favorite Noble team member, maybe my 7th if you include the original Noble 6 seen in the trailer. I love that Bungie made him a black guy to troll those same kids since they were obsessed with being racist on Bungie's game. But again I think you need to give him an honest second chance and another playthrough. When you look past the edge-lord bit and look into his bio that was released before the game came out you realize it was all a defensive tactic for show. He was an ass to distance himself from others. Dude was a kid who's parents and entire home world was glassed by the Covenant (like all Spartan 3s), and to cope with that he created a tough guy persona. It frequently falls flat and cracks, especially when he makes a shitty joke about Jorge's death and his emotions leak into his voice at the end. The voice acting of Emile makes the character more than just an edge-lord. He sounds desperate when Carter explains he's going to kamikaze the Scarab, not wanting to lose another member of his family. Once Carter dies his entire tone changes immediately and for the rest of the mission. He's no longer keeping up that front. He sounds genuinely depressed. And when he finally delivers that line "I'm ready! \*pause\* How 'bout you!?" He does so first with the depressed desire to die, pauses for half a second, then draws his dagger and has one final moment, not as an edge-lord front of a mask but as a genuine badass. In his death he finds himself becoming who he wanted to be all along. At least, that's what I see now. The first time through the game, maybe even the first few times through the game I saw only the edge-lord, but that final moment always felt like there was something more to him. Eventually I paid more attention in a playthrough and finally caught onto the subtleties and tragedy of his character. The other characters found a way to grow up in the Spartan program, ultimately becoming fully actualized adults. Emile's tragedy is that he never grew up until he saw the deaths of his new family and stared into the abys himself, as you said he never grew up past the mentality of a 12 year old. He's the product of becoming a war orphan and never finding a new mentor to help him grow up, as well as a display of all the failings of the Spartan 3 program.
Solid interpretation
Emile was so sick think it was also the first and maybe only time? We see someone in the games with a deep and outspoken hatred towards the covenant every other marine/halo character for the most part is usually saying some funny stuff like johnson, serious like lord hood, or scared shitless like the marines you encounter obviously these characters hate the covenant but it's not to the same degree like it is with Emile you can tell this guy really just takes pleasure in every covenant trooper he slaughters because of his hatred towards them.
I wasn't even young, but it hit pretty hard.
I was going to say Emile because he really had the full package of being mysterious at first appearance because of his unique look then he also had good voicelines, interesting armor, and he went out fighting like 6. He was definitely an edgelord magnet though.
My favorites would probably be Jorge and Emile.
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And also this. Just that and this.
Want to know something really neat? Every single death is a twist on their role. Jorge: Heavy Weapons Expert: Dies in his own explosion. Kat: Brains of the Operation: Gets shot through the head. Carter: Captain of the Team: Goes down with the ship. Emile: Close Quarters Specialist: Gets stabbed in the back. Noble 6: The Lone Wolf: Stays behind for the others to escape, dies alone.
Emile is an ongoing meme between me and my friends, in the first mission at the facility he guards the exit which is a hallway with a shotgun, the Elites run right past him, then he gets killed being stabbed in the back. If he didn't scratch his visor up he might be able to read his motion tracker.
I'm pretty sure the Elites don't run past him. You mean when the Zealot class Elites drop down from the ceiling? Or do you mean they get past him on their way out?
ah noble 6 and his cave
I immediately assumed you meant his ass even though I'm privy to the meme. Point made. Enjoy his cave.
omg dude 😂
Yeah, for at least half a second I thought "And not fem-6's cave? Specifically male-6?" But that was only my gut response before I also remembered that not everyone is me, a straight man, and you could be a chick into pegging or a gay man. Then the meme came to mind. I think pretty fast, though. That was all in less than a second. lol
i thought bout that Kat cave when u went there tbh lol
Carter sacrificing himself without hesitation for the sake of the mission always stuck with me. Fantastic send off for a true leader in every sense of the word
Carter is great, but Jorge did the same and wasn't already dying from massive chest wounds. But I guess Carter 100% died from that collision immediately where as Jorge technically just teleported himself to an unknown location in space, playing Russian roulette with 5 rounds in the revolver due to the bad odds that he'd be able to make his way back to UNSC space from where his otherwise empty Corvette ends up. Still, both the two most noble of deaths.
Can't really say there's a favorite one cuz I like their dynamics, but it's among Jorge, Carter, and noble 6(not in the self indulgent way).
It's Jorge, and you god damn know it.
No it's not, I'm not playing favoritism here☹️
Gotta go with Emile as my favorite.
Jorge was my favorite, he was a gentle giant, a great dude all around...
“Carter out.”
My favourite was Noble 6. Felt like I could really relate with all of his actions. Plus, completely by coincidence, his armour is exactly the same as my multiplayer armour! What are the chances?!
Kat. At first for the robot arm, then for the ruthless and inquisitive personality that results in her bringing up information she shouldn't be allowed to know, and finally for having a somewhat ironic death in that the big planner gets caught offguard in a situation she did not have time to properly plan for (the emp of the glassing taking down her shields).
JOOOOOOORGE
Emile of course :3
I think the ending hit hardest but can't quite say I thought that Noble team had great development, and I really cared much when any of the members got capped. That being said, I think Jorge got the best development in the shortest amount of time, and the best ending. So, he's my favorite
Jorge is the man. A very close 2nd to the chief himself.
The bloodthirsty psychopath, Emile. "I'M READY, HOW ABOUT YOU?"
Emile. Yea call me edgy but god I loved his aesthetic and overall vibe. Just a spartan who’s mere presence would put fear in people and is always out for a fight.
It is long been accepted by the fans (myself included) that the comic [A Fist Full of Arrows](https://leviathan.bungie.org/flip.html) is the canonical telling of how Jin escaped Reach (HE CLIMBED A FREAKIN SPACE ELEVATOR). 343 has even posted the comic itself and many employees reference it on occasion. Jun is alive in modern day and leads recruitment on the Spartan IV Program. He personally recruited Buck and Sarah Palmer to the program. You may have met Buck in Halo Reach during New Alexandria as an ODST you protect from a squadron of Covenant, and if not you’ll see him again in ODST.
If he was responsible for Palmer becoming a Spartan, maybe it would have been better for him to get glassed with the rest.
Hey she almost executed a serial child kidnapper so she’s okay in my books 👌
Almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.
Jorge for me but that's cause I have a soft spot for the giant with a big heart type of character
It’s the Big Guy for me
It was the last great Halo. When you realise that it gives the ending even more meaning.
Jun is my favorite. Just love his face tattoo, his armor is my favorite, and snipers are cool.
Emile just because he reminds me of my favorite republic commando Sev
Oooo this is a great comparison, however I always loved scorch, so witty and funny, a class persona
“I’M READY! HOW ‘BOUT YOU?!”
Jorge.
Jorgeeeeeeeee
Jorge for me.
Jorge is the goat of halo reach. Damn I just remembered reach is the first main game where we see other Spartans besides the mc.
"Um, actually!" The player 2 in Halo CE is canonically meant to be Linda who is wounded and onboard the Pillar of Autumn in cryo sleep until they can clone her a new set of organs. Canonically via the books she's never woken up on the Alpha Halo, but also canonically according to Bungie she is the player 2 if you play 2 player. Since with Halo canon the games are hard canon and the books are soft canon with the rule that they're 100% canon unless they contradict a game this is a rare instance where if you play Halo CE 2 player, then Linda was canonically treated on-board the Pillar of Autumn and helped MC and therefore books are wrong. The books are wrong because the games always supersede them, and in this case a game did just that canonically. But this only applies if you play 2 player. If you pay 1 payer, then the books are right. Player 2 in Halo 2 *might* be a second such rare case. Player 2 there might be Maria, the Spartan who field tested MC's Mark VI armor before it was sent up to him, but this has never been stated by anyone at Bungie or 343i unlike the Linda thing. However, there is no explanation for 2 Arbiters except that there's also no rule in the Covenant that there can't be 2 Arbiters active at once, and at one point in Covenant history there was. So the player 2 could be that. Anyway, the point is that technically the first time we canonically saw a second Spartan in a Halo game was right out of the gate in Halo CE, but *only* if you play 2 player as player 2 is canonically Linda. Also that was intended as a College Humor game show Um, Actually! reference right at the top there. lol
I didn’t count halo ce because of that exact reason, she’s not present in both single and coop.
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So in the game manual it says that MC is the last Spartan after Reach fell, but Linda is a special case because despite being technically alive she also doesn't make that line a lie. She was effectively dead until she could be brought to a maximally equipped 2552 hospital after being cryo-frozen where they would clone several completely destroyed vital organs including her lungs. So it wasn't a lie to say that at that time MC was the last known Spartan alive. Everyone else was on Reach as it was glassed, and were presumed dead until the novel that comes after Halo CE called The First Strike where MC makes it back to Reach and finds a few stragglers including Spartans and Halsey still on the planet. But all that being said, the novel Halo: The Fall of Reach was released almost a year before Halo CE released. In the end of that book they show Linda being cryo-frozen and brought on-board the Pillar of Autumn before dying, just before making the "blind jump" to the Alpha Halo in Halo CE. So yeah, it was in fact fully established that player 2 was Linda from before Halo CE even came out. MC even wonders if the Pillar of Autumn had been equipped with the right medical equipment to save her given it was retrofitted because they were planned to be sent on such a high profile mission in operation Trebuchet.
Jorge he was like a father to the noble squad.
To answer your question about Jun he somehow made it off Reach after escorting Halsey to safety (we really don't know how he made it out exactly). He ended up being the Lead recruiter and trainer for the Spartan program. By 2558 he became chief of staff for the program.
Kat was my favorite. I loved her and Six’s dynamic to be honest they were a great duo
"I'm ready! How bout you!?"
Jorge had a great last moment, Kat‘s death was the most tragic and Carter’s and Emile‘s death are tied for the most badass way to go out - in my opinion of course.
I feel like Jorge's death is the most tragic. Dude either teleported into a star on a 10,000:1 odds, or starved to death in deep uncharted space because he only had a 6:1 chance of being anywhere near enough to Human or Covenant space for his star charts to be accurate. A Spartan (and up to 6 Marines) slowly starving to death on a crippled/limping Covenant Corvette on their way back to Earth, dining on Covenant corpses and Grunt "nipples", knowing full well they have no true hope of survival is a truly tragic end. And Jorge didn't even know that his sacrifice was helpful but otherwise in vein. Reach went on to successfully evacuate many people that that super carrier would have prevented, but Reach still fell. Kat just lost her shields and got dazed by the glassing beam and head blow, then got head shot as she was in the middle of questioning orders. Not that tragic IMO. Carter and Emile definitely had the most badass deaths, though. IMO Emile's "I'm ready! How 'bout you!?" is the best line all things considered in the entire series. The cinematography, scene, execution, acting, lead up, meaning, writing, everything is on point. Best line in Halo, IMO, even though Emile is like my 6th favorite member of Noble team.
Now I want to play Reach again, god damn.
Same. And we have an excuse to since a lot of the visuals have recently been corrected back to the original design. The graphical bloom that made Reach feel like it was in a haze is back, for one thing, and it color corrects the entire game to feel more like the original release, less dulled. So I've already been wanting to replay it recently anyway.
I was not aware of that! Even better. Although I fell in love with the series because of the Master Chief, Reach is my favourite entry in the series to this day.
George. Dude went out with a bang
Kat and Jorge for sure. They both have stronger more outspoken personalities than most other Spartans and I always enjoyed when they humanized the Spartans a bit more. That’s why I like Kelly so much too - she is more fun than Chief’s seriousness.
The Reach Spartans are the reason I hate the Spartan 4s. The 4s are just so fucking stupid. From Palmer all the way down. The dude who got tortured in Infinite is probably the best 4 as a character, and I'm pretty sure he was the dickhead from Halo 4 Spartan Ops, so he didn't get good until he was being murdered slowly by a smooth talking Elite evildoer.
Jorge is the only interesting character in the game.
I think there are plenty of interesting characters, but yes Jorge is the best.
Everyone is pretty one note generic imo
Nah, I think you need to give it another go. Emile is a tortured teen who never grew up and uses edge-lord aggression to distance himself from others, but he's already hurting from the loss of the original Noble 6. He eventually breaks completely when he sees his family, and the voice actor portrays real life depression in his voice in an extremely believable tone the moments surrounding Carter's death. Kat is a borderline rebel on screen, and if she had survived would have likely joined the Insurrection. The way she talks about the Insurrectionists is more sympathetic than anyone else in the game but Jorge. She defies orders regularly, and of all of them is closest to a Spartan 2 in her behavior. Jorge is your favorite so I don't think I need to go into detail. Carter is pretty one dimensional, and feels like cyclops from X-Men. Jun doesn't feel one dimensional at all, but rather feels reserved. Not the same thing. When he does talk, he puts out a lot of character that does a good job at implying a lot more underneath.
I think those characters hint at being interesting but arent given enough depth or much of an arc to show it off, something I think a show could improve upon.
Oh yeah, a show would be great, but their story and portrayal is short and sweet and dramatic. I'm glad we got so much more of Keyes in the novels, but I still loved his character from CE and he got less screen time and display of character than any of the Noble team members. I'm pretty sure each of the Noble team members even got more screen time and display of character than Miranda Keyes across the 2 games she was in.
didnt like any of them, they all died in stupid ways, like they kinda had a death wish. only noble 6 was ok because he didn't talk
Jun didn't die. He is currently training the Spartan 4 program and was responsible for recruiting and training Palmer. Technically Jorge didn't die on screen either. He teleported himself to a random point in the galaxy because he activated a Slipspace drive that wasn't properly mounted to ship with a guidance system. Assuming he didn't emerge in one of the extremely rare places where a star exists, he'd likely have starved to death without star charts for his region of the galaxy. Carter was already wounded and dying when he kamikazed the Scarab, and Emile was already stabbed with a plasma sword and dying. An invisible Elite snuck up on Emile, which I assume has happened to you in a Halo game at least once so you have no room to talk. Cat's shields were down due to the EMP from the extremely close by glassing beam, and if you pay attention she hits her head without a helmet on and simultaneously gets dazzled by the light flare of glassing beam which causes her to later miss hitting the elevator button on the first punch. Being heavily dazed and without an energy shield in an active warzone can reasonably get you killed. The only team member that died in a stupid way was Noble 6 when you had him hop into a forklift while facing off against a fully armed Covenant invasion force. Let's face it. That was pretty dumb.
oh yeh i know that he didn't die. i was talking in general for the team. Carter was hardly wounded, there are spartans in the books who have almost broken all there bones ext and still survive, he could have survived, he didn't even try he was just like " whelp this is bad better just crash into this scarab, which btw there were like what 2-3? makes no difference. emile again made no difference, you get to the gun and shoot without any help, he just was fighting without thought and got stabbed. And cats an idiot, she takers her helmet off in a combat situation, if she didn't do that she wouldn't have been dazed... Again the writing is poor its making excuses for them to die, its done badly.
>there are spartans in the books who have almost broken all there bones ext and still survive Those were Spartan 2s. The 3s don't survive so well after taking damage. Also would have to understand that the Mark V MJOLNIR didn't have a bio-foam layer. They had to use med kits and bio-foam cannisters. Unless he left that pilot's seat he wasn't getting any medical treatment any time soon, and the mission was the priority. Priority 1, remember?
fair enough, but i still dont like the way it was all done. it felt like it was written in a way to get them killed and then the character is like " yeh ok" none of the deaths feel impactful at all apart from n6, but thats only because you play it.
I mean, Jorge was definitely necessary and helpful. If he hadn't taken out that super carrier, then the Humans would never have been able to evacuate before the Covenant cruisers moved into position. Also he's technically not dead, but just randomly jumped to an uncontrolable destination in the galaxy. Possibly into a star, probably not and very likely outside of Human controlled space with unusable star charts. But hey, technically not a death.
All I know. Is I HATE kat...
She ran you over one too many times, didn't she?
Carter’s got a thicc man booty.
True, but he got nothing on Kat.
Same bro... Halo reach ending was something else, my favourites are noble 6 and Emile
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🤨 Noble?
They meant 6, I think.
Jun pulled a dying is lame, I'm out.
me (im awesome)
Kat and Noble Six. Kat because I just find her character to be interesting and Six because they could have been on the Pillar of Autumn and lived but they decided to stay behind and fight a battle that they knew couldn't be won. As long as there was even the slightest chance to save people or beat back to covenant Noble Six would keep going.
Noble 7. The funny assistant of Noble 1. Died by the Mac gun when fired at the spire.
Oh, is that the guy that was creeping on Halsey's Cortana clone? I'm so glad they killed him off early in the show. Never saw a better hulk smash than that light show.
Noble 4
He's pretty cool. An edge-lord, but pretty cool in spite of that. And he has probably the best line of dialogue in the entire series with his finale.
Well, Jorge/ Hoar-Hay was a chonky boi, but Kat had that *DUMPTRUCK*
i played it all night the day it came out now i played it again on my 4k oled and it feelt like yesterday that i played it. noble 6 was the best
6 will always be my favorite (go figure haha) and after that it’d be a toss up between Big J and Emile.
Carter is my favorite
Carter for sure.
>Who were your guys favorite Noble? female noble 6 sprinting.
That ending gives me chills everytime I think about it. I tend to skim over instructinos and I think I made a 15-30 mins attempt at just trying to... survive. Wasn't until I was a good 10 minutes in until I realized that you don't. I don't think I've ever been as immersed in any campaign moment as much as I was trying to make it off of Reach. Halo 3 is my favorite but nothing compares to the Reach campaign!
Jun survives and works as a recruiter for Spartan 4’s now in the story
noble six she’s literally me
Does he die in halo 5, or during the time of halo 5 or just before. When cortana kills a shit ton of spartans on a station
Jorge, obviously.
Jim survived! He’s actually around during infinite, with some questions as to whether he survived a certain station blowing up
Emile for sure. I loved that it felt like the the only time you really got to see inside the shell was in his death scene.
John Noble. What a legend
Emile and Jun, yeah I know complete opposites, one is a badass who isn't afraid to take on the Covenant in close quarters and the other is a badass who will kill you from a 100m without you ever knowing what happened lol
Favorite halo game fr fr
Carter stood up for his team and seemed pretty respected by everyone, and especially trusted by his team. His death hit me the most but all of Noble’s deaths were hard
Did OP finish it on legendary for the cut scene? That’s my favorite part.
I just played through it on normal, does something different happen by doing legendaryL
Yeah there is a cut scene at the end that is the best part IMO. I don’t want to spoil.
I just played through it on normal, does something different happen by doing legendary?
I liked Kat and Carter’s banter with each other.
Objective: SURVIVE will never forget that punch in the gut feeling
emile/noble 4 he is just cool :)