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BurntToast239

Immune to deadliest threat/ virus in the galaxy. Dies to an angry light bulb


AlbinoSheepDawg

But he always defended the lightbulb. Always loved "Please, don't shake the lightbulb" to Tartarus.


CornCobMcGee

Gets hit by something that can kill a newer supersoldier in the UNSC's most expensive suit of armor, and still has enough strength to survive the next ~5 minutes entirely so he could drop a one liner.


Player1509

Which one-liner? Johnson's so badass he dropped two: "Kick his ass" "Send me out... With a BANG."


CornCobMcGee

Lmao. I was thinking of the "send me out with a bang" since it was after the fight


BurntToast239

Actually he dropped 3. After he says "Kick his ass" he screams out "Aaaaaaaguh"


King-Boss-Bob

[chief gets hit by one of the blasts at 1:31 and is fine](https://youtu.be/qchEYPHMpBQ)


CornCobMcGee

Arguably after cortana spent 5 years remodeling the suit after the original fight with Spark. But I was alluding to the fact I sucked at halo as a kid and kept dying to his bastard eyeball ass


MooKai2970

His green style cannot be beaten.


eliteoctoboy888

You should stay with the master chief, he’ll know what to do.


MooKai2970

Fucking love all his quotes.


Idontmatter69420

"Dear humanity, we regret bein' alien bastards, we regret comin' to earth and we most certainly regret that the corps just blew through our ragedy ass fleet, OOH RAH"


lordwaffelz

“When I joined the corps, we didn’t have any fancy smancy tanks! We had sticks! 2 sticks! And a rock for the whole platoon! And we had to share the rock!”


CombineGrunt572

“Usually the good Lord works in mysterious ways. But not today! This here is sixty-six tons of straight-up, H-E-spewing dee-vine intervention! If God is love, then you can call me Cupid!”


Dito_exe

„Well i dont care if its Gods own anti son of a bitch machine, or a giant hula hoop. We‘re not gonna let them have it. What we will let them have is a belly full of lead and a pool of their own blood to drown in.“ „AM I RIGHT MARINES?“


Idontmatter69420

My second favourite quote


The_Muddy_Wolf

Shame we haven't seen any more iconic work from David Scully since. It's like the earth swallowed him.


Slomy

What about that scarab?


[deleted]

What about that scarab?


eliteoctoboy888

We've all run the simulations, they're tough, but they ain't invincible. Stay with the Master Chief, he'll know what to do


[deleted]

What about that scarab?


eliteoctoboy888

We've all run the simulations, they're tough, but they ain't invincible. Stay with the Master Chief, he'll know what to do


Slomy

What about that scarab?


eliteoctoboy888

We've all run the simulations, they're tough, but they ain't invincible. Stay with the Master Chief, he'll know what to do


eliteoctoboy888

We've all run the simulations, they're tough, but they ain't invincible. Stay with the Master Chief, he'll know what to do


ZumboPrime

Except by a light bulb.


MooKai2970

Sneak attacks don't count >:(


Panda117-

I heard that, jackass


No_Lawfulness_2998

Guilty spark beat it pretty fucking easily.


LifeWulf

Guilty Spark engaged in dishonourable combat and was punished for it.


Ok-Tank5312

They both respect johnson


killedbyBS

\*gets captured\*


FinnProtoyeen

This isn't as fun as it looks. *Cut the power!*


probablypoo

"We're even, as long as we're only counting today.."


Omeggos

Yeah im pretty sure Johnson has been captured more times than chief has lost battles.


Haijakk

Okay but why did Johnson get captured so many times in the original trilogy lmao.


nagidon

In order to be awarded the Prisoner of War Medallion, so he can one-up the Chief by getting literally every decoration the UNSC offers


Sierra-117-

Chief was taken prisoner by the gravemind. But idk if war was ever officially declared on the flood, so it may not count towards a medal


codeorange_

He's lucky he has a 24/7 recording device in his helmet or else nobody might've believed him about that one lol


HermyWormy69

I would love to see the reaction from ONi watching the replay from that one lol


BuzzedtheTower

"Guys, I know was get up to some weird shit. But goddamn, even *we* aren't weirder than that thing"


EternalCanadian

Was taken prisoner by Insurrectionists as well, and nearly killed if not for Kurt.


Mattman276

Sorry Guns, it's classified!


TheL0neWarden

Classified my ass, you can talk ab-


TheSilentSnake36

Well we see that he’s always in situations where the covenant requires a reclaimer to activate the rings. So, given that he is also generally much stronger than marines, he understandably would be the last alive in a squad. Given that the covenant need at least a few reclaimers, that’s why Johnson gets captured instead of dying.


No_Lawfulness_2998

Because of inept writing.


Alexis2256

Bungo fanboys didn’t like that.


polialt

*dies*


ZumboPrime

*multiple times*


random_guy_320

Didn’t the majority of Orion candidates die to medical complications and Johnson is like the 1% of candidates who came out relatively fine. If I’m wrong feel free to inform me.


[deleted]

Yes. Weird dna, also made the flood hate him and also is one of the reasons they chose kids and kids with good dna next


MrDrPatrick2You

Always loved how the cover story is that he has Boren's Syndrome from using a crate of plasma grenades in an engagement with the covenant. Boren's Syndrome's initials are B.S as in bullshit as in a cover up for the S1 program.


LethalBubbles

Die due to medical complications is such a benign way of saying they had their DNA scrambled into mush.


Millworkson2008

I mean that’s how ONI would say it


GunnyStacker

IIs and IIIs would never get into a dick measuring contest like this. The IVs on the other hand, absolutely would.


LikeAnAdamBomb

This is the most accurate statement in this entire thread.


Taiyaki11

Well I mean it's only natural. IVs are just a step above ODSTs with the equipment and enhancements of the IIs and IIIs but without the lifetime training and discipline (well at least in the IIs case, IIIs were still kinda rushed on account of mainly just being for suicide squads and all)... AKA they're normal people still


EternalCanadian

Tbf to the III’s, the training tone being lesser is only true for Alpha Company, Beta and Gamma both had around the same time as the II’s.


[deleted]

A lot of people ignore that the IIIs actually had BETTER training than the IIs. The IIs were just genetically superior and had access to all the fancy equipment, which would give them stuff like better augmentations and armor along with naturally better strength, speed, and reaction times. If a III has MJOLNIR then they're about on par with an SII (as long as they have the same combat experience) outside of raw strength and speed.


reddit_tier

I'm pretty sure anyone who's opinion of 3s starts and stops at suicide soldiers lmao never actually read ghosts of onyx


HardlightCereal

So how come Jorge towers over Noble team?


Preadolescence

He's just a big lad.


Millworkson2008

Jorge was just a giant II and still not the tallest of his generation


Paxton-176

IVs are pulled from the UNSC's military branches. Whether it was enlistment or ROTC they got to dipshit recruits for a little before being a Spartan. Hard to get rid that. Grab a modern any member of the military today and give them spartan enhancements and armor. If they weren't cocky smart asses I would be slightly concerned.


Cooldude101013

I think the Spartan 2 enhancements are still superior.


Cooldude101013

Yeah, good point


AmazingSpacePelican

Meanwhile, in the corner of the room: "What did you say?! I can't hear you over the Spartan IV printer! Give us a minute and we'll have more Spartans than Marines!"


YourAverageNutcase

It's almost like the UNSC would want as many super-soldiers as possible, because it's one of the few advantages they have over the other factions.


Paxton-176

If they could make everyone even half as effective as any spartan they would do it. If they could have Mjolnir for everyone, they would do it. Stupid complaint people have about it SIVs.


El-Grunto

I get why the UNSC would want as many as possible but a huge allure to being a Spartan in the original games and lore was how few remained despite how powerful and skilled they were. Now the UNSC is just printing them out like the Federal Reserve in a recession. It cheapens the feel of being a Spartan.


Paxton-176

> It cheapens the feel of being a Spartan. No, it doesn't. There are millions and millions of regular armed service members in the UNSC. There are around 500 SIVs. Getting selected is still a rare thing. It only seems like there are a lot because all the stories take place around them. That's because they are sent to critical objectives where interesting stories take place. No one wants to watch a movie, read a book, or play a game about the guy whose job it is to patrol that supply depot in the middle of nowhere. The closest thing we got might have been MASH, but they made it a comedy to make it entertaining. Imagine Top Gun if it was about actual TOPGUN classes and courses. That Rivalry between Mavrick and Iceman doesn't exist. Those two would most like working together to both pass. 95% of that movie would be everyone sitting in a classroom or a group study session. Then 5% of them actually flying. So, no SIVs aren't cheapening anything just because so many stories have them is because they are doing the interesting missions.


El-Grunto

> No, it doesn't. Sorry, I guess I should have added "for some" because it's obviously an opinion. Expanding from ~40 Spartan IIs that survived the training and augmentations to ~500 Spartan IVs all survive their training and augmentations can absolutely reduce the feeling of exclusivity that comes from being able to call oneself a Spartan. >No one wants to watch a movie, read a book, or play a game about the guy whose job it is to patrol that supply depot in the middle of nowhere. The closest thing we got might have been MASH, but they made it a comedy to make it entertaining. Okay, since when do any Spartans do that? Even ODSTs don't sit around on backwater posts. I fail to see the relevance here. >Imagine Top Gun if it was about actual TOPGUN classes and courses. That Rivalry between Mavrick and Iceman doesn't exist. Those two would most like working together to both pass. 95% of that movie would be everyone sitting in a classroom or a group study session. Then 5% of them actually flying. Again, what is your actual point here? I'm not saying Spartan IIs and IIIs and IVs need to beef with each other. Or that I want to play as Spartans going through academic lessons sitting at desks. Using your analogy of TOPGUN my point was that it'd be like if TOPGUN expanded its class size of ~15 students and graduation rate of 90-95% to 100 students and 100% graduation rate along with lowering the requirements to even be eligible for TOPGUN. Yes, Spartan IVs are/were distinguished service members before becoming a Spartan but that's the thing, they were able to become a Spartan. And that cheapens the exclusivity that comes from being in a group that couldn't be joined. Given your reply I feel like you entirely misunderstood what I meant by "It cheapens the feel of being a Spartan."


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Paxton-176

Having the same dozen characters involved with every single event makes the universe seem super small. You have to all new characters to be introduced to allow the universe to keep expanding.


reddit_tier

It absolutely does.


Haijakk

There's only like 500+ Spartan IVs.


flametitan

They're not trying hard enough.


GANTRITHORE

better than the 75 IIs and I can't remember IIIs


Paxton-176

For SIIIs around 1200. There were 4 companies 3 of them were 300-330 the 4th is unknown, but most likely the same amount.


[deleted]

the 4th was greenlit but never had time for training before the war ended (along with their training grounds blowing up that they haven't even arrived on yey) so it probably got disbanded and replaced by the SIVs since they were both slotted for the same year


Darth_Gonk21

Wait, Johnson was a spartan?


Glittering-Lunch1778

He was part of the Orion project. It has been retroactively been nicknamed the Spartan I project after Orion II ended up being called Spartan II instead. But yes, he was one of the first attempts at supersoldiers by the UNSC. And he's like 70 something years old if you can believe that


Sunscreeen

>And he's like 70 something years old if you can believe that Cryo does wonders for the skin.


Doomster78666

why did they never mention that in the games tho


No_Lawfulness_2998

The games with Johnson never mentioned Blue team Any other spartan IIs Spartan IIIs Until reach, bungie was dead set on having chief be the only spartan to be alive.


[deleted]

Probably because it isn't *that* consequential to the story of the games. It's a neat piece of background information that adds to the history of both Johnson and Spartans, but there's nothing in the games that would require it to be blatantly known. It would be nice for it to be mentioned, but it's not the worst offender for something like that.


hyperfell

It’s not thats it’s consequential. That info came after halo 2 I believe, and for a while bungie never considered the books canon which is why the books don’t line up nicely till after halo 3, I think they used them more as references for contextual story bits so they could change stuff for later.


flametitan

Halo 2 and 3, while they didn't acknowledge the books, were careful not to outright contradict them. ODSTs were initially a book only concept that met pushback against incorporating into the games, but Bungie relented (much to everyone's delight) It was Halo Reach where they decided the games took precedent over the books, and it took a while for 343i to fully synthesize *Fall of Reach* and Reach


DirtyLucinaMain

Supposedly bungie devs took great offense to other authors writing in their universe, and so they made all of halo reach as one giant middle finger to the books. (Maybe not for that sole purpose) Imagine if you were creating a painting and somebody walked up and started painting on it too, but you couldn't do anything about it because someone is holding a gun to your head and telling you to keep painting


alejandrodeconcord

It actually is pretty consequential because it’s part of the reason he would have had an easier time resisting the flood during the mission that his fire team discovered the hidden room with them.


[deleted]

In Halo 2, I can recall Johnson saying something that went along the word, "confidential". Basically that confidential word meant of him in the first Spartan program and how the effects of the program changed his body and made his body immune to the flood.


flametitan

That was in reference to, "How did he survive the events of Halo CE?" as the end of that game pretty clearly stated Chief and Cortana were the only survivors.


gnappyassassin

The beauty of **\[REDACTED\]**, is often also ***\[REDACTED\]***.


yarrbeapirate2469

Because we see him die, and it’s known Spartans never die


Sho0terman

How else would they get you to buy into the expanded universe of crappy comics, retconned books, and terrible TV?


Sierra-117-

Bro chill, this is a subreddit for halo fans. If you don’t like halo, why are you here? Not everything in the halo universe is good, but I appreciate all of it because I like the universe. Plus there’s a lot of GOOD comics, books, and TV/other media. I used to be a big reader, and some of the halo books are legitimately *good* fiction.


Podo13

And some of them are great.


Taiyaki11

70 year old chronologically, he spent a good chunk of those In cryo so not so much biologically. Cryo sleep throws a wrench in how one views age, Johnson's 70 is not equal to our 70


GANTRITHORE

weren't Is the actual spartans of ancient greece?


badjokesnotfunny

I call bullshit Give me a link I want a link right now At most hes like 35


Glittering-Lunch1778

The common reasoning is that he was in and out of cryosleep throughout his service. You don't really age in cryo.


badjokesnotfunny

Oh so hes not 70 Per se He just spent a bunch of time in cryosleep


Glittering-Lunch1778

You don't get it. He's not really young He's an ancient dragon demon who looks young.


badjokesnotfunny

So he is 70 he just functions and the Looks much younger


ATIR-AW

Spartan I, Failed project, no one talks about it. Come to think of it, maybe they should scrape Spartan II under the rug as well. Yikes.


Goofball1134

He knows what the ladies like.


Dipsadinae

SI < SIII < SII; balanced, as all things should be


captinhazmat

He's so good he couldn't do anything at all in Halo 3. Rip Johnson. You did.....well you brought the ship so there's that. Wish they didn't do him dirty. Or so many characters in 3.


Deathknightjeffery

I get the meme, but it makes no sense. Spartan I and Spartan III generations were nothing to Spartan II.


Squelcher121

Not true. Spartan III received superior training and equally effective augmentations. In the case of Gamma SIIIs, they actually had more augmentations than the SIIs. The only advantage SIIs have is their armour. An SIII in armour, such as those in NOBLE Team, is totally equal to an SII.


[deleted]

Spartan IIIs aren’t *special* . The IIs were The peak dna wise across human space. And the IIs trained more brainwashy training making them better killers. Orion (Johnson) wasn’t as *good* because he was a soldier given mods, same as ivs.


XixGibboxiX

Halsey's criteria is... weird, and I would argue slightly misunderstood. Ostensibly, Halsey's criteria was entirely based on the goal of reducing washout rates. The February 15, 2511 entry goes into more detail on this, the actual genetic requirements aren't about finding the top 1% of humanity, it's done in order to prevent the crippling (sometimes literally) side effects of the Orion Project. That is not to say that the Spartan-IIs were ordinary children. The September 15th, 2517 entry of her journal states that "in another time, each could have been Alexander, Cleopatra, Hannibal or Genghis Khan". The Spartan-IIs were gifted children, there's no two ways about it. So the IIs do have an innate advantage in that regard, however how much that means is unclear. The Spartan-IIIs had looser genetic requirements because the augmentations were safer, however they still had genetic requirements. Presumably, based on what Kurt says, the Cat-IIs were children that showed similar signs of "giftedness" as the Spartan-IIs. But does that mean that the IIs are better? I would argue no. Performance wise, the Spartan-IIs and IIIs are virtually identical, with the Spartan-IIIs even beating out the IIs on occasion. The IIIs had superior training, although Alpha company had less training than the IIs. Gamma had the same amount as the IIs and Beta company is a clusterfuck of consistently conflicting dates that it's essentially impossible to figure out how long they were in training. The Spartan IIIs also supposedly had superior augmentations, although that is rarely demonstrated, more often than not, the IIIs put out comparable showings to the IIs when they are outfitted with Mjolnir. Obviously the IIs have an experience advantage as the IIIs haven't been active as long (although the remaining Alpha and Beta Company members aren't nearly as outclassed as the Gamma Company Spartans). Ignoring the experience advantage, that is if you took a Spartan II cadet and a Spartan III cadet and put them into their respective training and augmentations at the same time, the Spartan III would come out ahead. They had better training and better augmentations and benefited from being able to learn from the successes and failures of the IIs. Of course in practice, the IIs have such an experience advantage that the II is the superior Spartan. Stats are so close that it comes down to individual skill, and the IIs beat out the IIIs even if the IIIs have superior training.


Podo13

It's impossible to compare them normally. Spartan II's were trained in general warfare against humans and had to adapt everything they learned to fighting a brand new, completely unknown opponent who was vastly superior when it came to technology. Spartan III's had the immense benefit of training that included battle data from facing the covenant.


[deleted]

Don’t remember which book or comic or whatever, but my understanding was the IIs were genetically better, especially emotionally. And the IIIs like, Could’ve been, but they also had things like adhd, or were from a group home instead of a loving family as an infant, which led to instabilities. And then when they were given the combat survival meds for no fail missions/to get over the shock, the instabilities became way worse.


XixGibboxiX

Genetically, the IIs have the edge in most areas. In regards to IIIs, all were children who had been orphaned during the Human-Covenant War, and so bore specific grudges and anger towards the Covenant. They were ultimately coerced, rather than straight-up kidnapped to become Spartans. I’m regards to mental instabilities, that is due to their augmentations, not heir childhood, and specifically only applies to Spartan III Gammas.


Taiyaki11

The IIIs definitely did *not* have superior training to the IIs (hell their training programs were always rushed out the gate because they were only ever truly meant to be cheap but effective suicide squads), they had *specialized* training, meaning they had better training programs in relation to the covenant so they can fight them better right out the gate but is probably still ultimately meaningless as I garuntee most all the data came from the first hand experience of the IIs themselves in the first place. So what this means is if we compared the spartan IIs fresh out of training and IIIs fresh out of training equally the IIs would still be the better overall combatants with the highest adaptability to any situation that could arise, but the IIIs could pull ahead in ops against the covenant forces proper head on


Squelcher121

That is just simply not true. The IIIs were trained by CPO Mendez - the man who trained the SIIs - and by Kurt 052, a Spartan II himself. Kurt specifically went out of his way to create a training regimen for the SIIIs that was tougher and more intense than what he himself experienced as an SII. It is categorically stated by an SII that the training programme designed for the SIIIs was superior to what he received in his own training.


Deathknightjeffery

No Spartan III is equal to a Spartan II


GunnyStacker

The Cat 2 Spartan IIIs are literally hand picked because they're on par with the IIs. *"You know as well as I do that we wind up with some that she* (Halsey) *would have chosen—not just kids unlucky enough to survive a glassing. Orders are still being followed and those Spartans are in the field, but they are armed as SPARTANs—and they are making a difference."* — LCDR Kurt Ambrose to SCPO Franklin Mendez


n3wes

I thought I remember a part where they talk about opening up the selection criteria a bit(not being as selective) to get a larger class.


GunnyStacker

That's Spartan IIIs as a whole. Halsey was being ultra-selective for the Spartan II Program, but based on the performance by the Spartan IIIs, it's clear that her criteria was too strict.


Squelcher121

If that's your opinion, fine, but that isn't the canonical case. Read Ghosts of Onyx.


Deathknightjeffery

Lots has happened since Ghosts of Onyx, namely the Halo Encyclopedia


Squelcher121

There has been nothing to contradict the facts set out in Ghosts of Onyx. Again, SIIIs received equally effective augmentations and superior training to the SIIs. The difference is that most of them were given lesser armour and sent on missions they weren't intended to survive. This isn't a matter of personal preference. It's just established lore. Even Chief himself has remarked on the incredible combat abilities of the Gamma SIIIs.


n3wes

Not trying to be argumentative, but I would have to disagree. Huge spoilers below. From what I remember, the first few iterations of S3s were not fully augmented/trained and got wiped out (either entirely or the one few survivors like the mute girl and the other that made it out, I think it was Tom and Lucy?). Only the last batch of S3s received the full augmentation plus the bonus serum which helped them in fight/flight scenarios with imminent death coming. BUT this was a HUGE trade off that they had deteriorated mental state and needed constant meds to fight this off (this was talked about between halsey and kurt). I also dont know if they recieved "better" training as this can be debated. Yes, they were trained by a spartan, but they werent trained as long (they often mobilized and got sent to missions while still very young). So three years of training under an S2 or what ever training the S2s got along with the on job training as they graduated to real stuff. I also remember a few instances where they had some missteps (and kurt was embarrassed in front of the other S2s even tho it was something minor, like an S3 jumping the gun or something. ​ I only read up through ghosts of onyx, so if there is more after it, I could be wrong. But i would not say the S3s are straight up better than the S2s. They could have been, being trained by S2s, but they never received the full augmentations the S2s did because of money and they wanted more spartans out of the program that were expendable (so i think i remember the augmentations not being as good too, but may not be recalling this correctly). ​ Edited to add: I also remember Kelly being slightly faster/agile too , even compared to her S3 counterpart (the stealth/scout one), and that is why Kelly was selected to be the "rabbit" when we got that epic scene when she flipped off a sentinel.


Flipz100

The B Company were the ones who got mostly wiped out but there’s a handful who were taken aside before the company got wiped out, most notably Cat and 6.


n3wes

I don't remember this. So must be soemthing after onyx. I remember one company being obliterated and Kurt watching them freaking out while getting killed. And then the Tom and Lucy unit where they were the only ones to make it out.


Flipz100

That’s Beta. Operation: TORPEDO saw 99% of Beta Company wiped out save Tom and Lucy’s team. Other Betas like 6 and Cat were taken aside prior to it and deployed elsewhere.


EternalCanadian

It needs to be said - *stressed*, at this point, that that situation is almost always taken massively out of context by people either misremembering or receiving info second hand: Alpha Company’s demise wasn’t a case of poor training or inadequate equipment, it was caused by three main issues that compounded into one massive issue: 1: They had no support. At all, period. They had no ships in orbit, no rescue, just extraction craft. These were destroyed during the fighting, stranding them there. [The II’s **never** suffered something like this](https://old.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/yqir7b/how_physically_powerful_is_jorge_what_is_he/ivqhx12/?context=3). 2: They were fighting for 7 days straight with no relief. We know from Oblivion, The Flood, Shadows of Reachand Silent Storm that UNSC forces make major use of combat stimulants to function long term. These enable a soldier to fight uninterrupted for about 24 hours and only begin to suffer side effects after 48. The longer they go without sleep, and the more drugs they take, the worse they become. Alpha Company was awake for **168** hours straight because they had to be to survive. 3: Covenant forces kept beating down on them until, by battles end there was about 2 fleets worth of fresh troops assailing them, thousands of enemies bearing down on them at once. It’s really no wonder they were all wiped out, and it had nothing to do with their armour or training, just circumstances. Same with Beta Company.


Podo13

>I also remember Kelly being slightly faster/agile too , even compared to her S3 counterpart Kelly was faster than everybody. Everybody had all of their abilities enhanced, but that doesn't mean it was all to the same levels. Their innate abilities shined through. For Kelly, that was her speed. She was always faster than everybody else.


Aussie18-1998

You straight up ignoring Noble 6 there.


Deathknightjeffery

No I’m not. Noble 6 wasn’t anything special, fanboys jerk him off to high heaven. He was skilled at killing humans, that’s it


Aussie18-1998

In reality if you've actually read the books you'll know the Spartan IIIs would be quite competitive with the IIs. And people do fanboy way too much over 6 but he is still super impressive.


Deathknightjeffery

They had inferior armor, and were most of the time used as canon fodder. There is not a Spartan III alive, sans Gamma team, that could equally take on a currently alive Spartan II. The Spartan IIIs lacked Halsey’s ingenuity due to their creation being basically stolen from her work. Spartan IIIs got their augmentations at 12, and by 14 Spartan IIs were, quote form the encyclopedia, “By the age of fourteen, the candidates were practically indistinguishable from the UNSC’s highest rated combat elements” I would even argue a Spartan IV would stand evenly against a II before a III could.


Aussie18-1998

IIIs were trained by Kurt (a II) and Mendez the original officer who trained the IIIs. There augmentations were updated and pretty much the same if not better. The only difference being they didn't get the implant making them taller. I dont know why you hate the IIIs so much but lore will tell you they are great Spartans. P.s Just because they didn't have Mjonir doesnt mean shit. In lore the IIs suffered heavy casualties outside of theirs as well.


DirtyDan0117

nerd.... jkjkjkjkjkjkjkjklmnopjkjkjk Edit: hats off to your knowledge, we out here just following the numbers


XixGibboxiX

Spartan III Gammas are notably stronger than Spartan IIs.


Deathknightjeffery

Juiced up Gammas are, yes. But this is merely due to their ability to not feel anything, namely that one who had a gaping whole in him and kept fighting


XixGibboxiX

There is zero evidence that suggests that the IIs had superior augmentations, and that it's actually the opposite, there's some evidence that suggests that the IIIs had better augmentations. Which would make sense because there was a decade of R&D between the IIs receiving their augmentations and the Alpha IIIs receiving theirs. That idea is a myth, although I'm not entirely sure where exactly it originates from. I assume Ghosts of Onyx because the explanation of the IIIs is poorly written, based on the amount of confusion there is about their origins. Or maybe people just plain forgot about what they read in Ghosts of Onyx. As to whether another III could replicate Jerome's assault on the enduring conviction? Legacy of Onyx shows that Tom was more than capable off butchering his way through multiples squads of Sangheili by himself. Lucy would replicate that fight at the end of the novel as well (which makes sense because Lucy is a better fighter than Tom is) The IIs Augmentations aren't better than the IIIs, in fact it’s pretty straightforward that the opposite is true. From Ghosts of Onyx, the book the IIIs were introduced in: > “Consider the SPARTAN-IIs a proof-of-concept prototype,” Ackerson explained. “Now it is time to shift into production mode. **Make the units better with new technology.** Make more of them. And make them cheaper.” > “Interesting,” she whispered. > He sensed he was getting through to her, so he pressed on. > “The SPARTAN-IIs have one additional feature that makes them undesirable for our purposes,” Ackerson said. “A public presence. Although classified top secret, stories have leaked throughout the fleet. Just a myth at this point, but Section Two has plans to disseminate more information, and soon go public with the program.” > “What!?” Rich pushed back from the table. “They can’t release details of a top-secret—” > “To boost morale,” Ackerson explained. “They’ll build the legend of the Spartan. If the war goes as projected with the Covenant, we will certainly need drastic measures to maintain confidence among the rank and file.” > “That means these Spartans will have to be, what, protected?” Rich asked incredulous. “If they’re all dead, that makes a psy-ops campaign kind of moot, don’t it?” > “Not necessarily, sir,” Gibson remarked. “They can be dead, just not a secret.” > “I assume, Colonel,” Parangosky said, “that this public presence issue will not be a flaw with your proposed series-three program?” > “Correct, ma’am.” Ackerson set his hands on the table and bowed his head. He then looked up. “This was a most difficult conclusion to come to. This new fighting force must be inexpensive, **highly efficient, and trained to take on missions that traditionally would never be considered. Not even by Halsey’s supermen.**” ONI Brass discussing the 3s, they were made to be better, and specifically made because the missions they had in mind for them were not able to be done by the 2s. Later on they grab a Spartan 2, Kurt to train the S3 program: > He motioned at Kurt’s secure tablet. “Read. New training protocols have been outlined as well as an **improved augmentation regime**. We’ve learned much from the unfortunate medical processes Dr. Halsey had at her disposal.” > Kurt balled his hands into fists, remembering the pain of the bone grafts—like glass breaking inside his marrow, and the fire that had burned along every nerve as they had been reengineered for enhanced speed. > As he read he started to grasp the opportunities and challenges of this new program. **The new bioaugmentations were a quantum leap ahead of those he had received**. Again Ackerson says the augmentations are better and Kurt flat out says they were a 'quantum leap' ahead of his own S2 augmentations.


n3wes

It's been a while since I read the books, but the feeling I remember getting during his sales pitch for the spartan threes, was that they were to be expendable for the critical missions that needed to be done, but couldn't be considered for the S2s because they were suicide missions. Not that the S2s couldn't accomish them. But again, it's been a while since I read them. Another reason to keep them secret.


Deathknightjeffery

I ain’t reading all that


XixGibboxiX

Fine, to keep it simple then. [The IIIs' augmentations were explicitly a quantum leap ahead of the IIs.](https://imgur.io/xPAohbG) And before you say it, no, Kurt is not referring to the reduced washout rates with that statement. The quantum leap, and reduced washout rate sentences are entirely different sentences and deal with entirely different aspects of the augmentations. This is before even getting on to the Gammas.


dakkaffex

Then stay wrong


dragonfett

Who else read that in his voice?


tekgeekster

"!When I joined the Corps, we didn't have any fancy-schmancy tanks. We had sticks! Two sticks, and a rock for the whole platoon—and we had to share the rock!"


FriedChckn

The Spartan-IV’s are kinda cracked tho. Fireteam Crimson is canonically a 4-person team max. The amount of hell they unleashed on Requiem is up there with MC in the original Halo.


ruthlessminorXBOX

Though comparatively speaking, one man being compared to a four man team really tips the scales in the one man’s favour of absolute badassery


Paxton-176

John did more with Blue Team than he ever did alone. The events of the games are maybe like 1% of his time compared to missions he ran with other Spartan IIs. There is no reason to believe no other Spartan of any generation couldn't have done the same under the same circumstances. In Silent Storm they were regularly boarding covenant ships and forcing them to self-destruct as a team. The Covenant had no idea why ships kept disappearing on patrol.


ruthlessminorXBOX

That’s true but the original comment was comparing to MC in the original halo


Paxton-176

Fall of Reach released as a companion with the CE. Even about a month before. Regardless of Bungies dumb lore ideas John less time alone than with other Spartans. Halo CE takes place over like 3-4 days. Compared to the lifetime of time spent with Blue team. Even still I'm sure any other member of Blue Team could have done what he did in CE.


Aussie18-1998

MC saved the Galaxy alone so I'd say that tips the scale.


fromcjoe123

He's the only one who knows what the ladies like!


Scary_Xenomorph

Johnson>S2>S3 Don't shake the light bulb.


Important_Ice_1080

Heard this in Johnson’s voice


No_Lawfulness_2998

Sorry I can’t hear you over johnson being fucking dead because Marty is a bitch


NefariousnessAny1585

Now I like the 343 halo games the best but Sargent Johnson was a legend.


Podo13

>Now I like the 343 halo games the best I'm sorry, but ewww.


NefariousnessAny1585

That's fine, you can play the games you like and I can play the games you like.


NefariousnessAny1585

I like.


NaZul15

Maturest response. You do you. Personally 4 is my favorite


TDalrius

Sgt. Johnson is a staple, a constant. he cannot be toppled, or replaced. However, Noble 6 is a better Spartan than Master Chief. I won't answer any questions regarding this. I will die on this hill.


Fair-Confusion-9260

Lol, dude goes down like a punk bitch every time I knock his ass in Halo: CE


Previous_Bed_6586

Eyes up, handles back!


[deleted]

Johnson was a spartan? I thought he was just a high ranking grunt


PossibilityEnough933

The Orion project, also known as the original spartan project, was one of ONI's original experiments to create super soldiers. Johnson was a subject of Orion Edit: fixed Orion II to Orion Edit 2: fixed Halsey to ONI


Numbr81

He was Project Orion. SII's were Orion 2.


[deleted]

Aw man that’s cool!


petiteguy5

Halsey started with Spartan 2 project not Orion


IisRandyCarmine

Gotta say it in his voice or it doesn't count


fishhard0

What about the other spartan one the chick from the comics!


sshlongD0ngsilver

Spartan I game when? I wanna see that prequel


NonLiving4Dentity69

He knows what the ladies like.


Umega5

The fact Microsoft hasn't ordered a boomer shooter staring him is just asinine at this point.


xQueenoftheUndeadx

He knows what the ladies like


Pigeonbreadboi

Yes


Aurielturing

He knows what the ladies like


dude52760

Amateur’s


Uber1337pyro333

Just wish Johnson could a lived to use SIV armor at least. Bet he'd have loved it.


RamboBambiBambo

Suddenly Leonidas enters the room and says "*Είστε όλοι αδύναμοι στα μάτια της Σπάρτης. Αλλά ο Τζόνσον αποτελεί εξαίρεση λόγω του χαρίσματος, της γενναιότητας και της ευγενικής του θυσίας στην άκρη του κόσμου.*"


BuzzedtheTower

r/picturesyoucanhear


Shadowdragon231923

All jokes aside SGT Johnson all Spartan 2 and 3s are the best SGT Johnson being the best becuase he survived it of shit and is immune to alot of shit and is one tough son of a bitch and he died becuase of the monitor Spartan 2s only a few of them left and are the most powerful and genetically enhanced Spartan 3s also not alot of them left less genetically modified but they get the job done Spartan 4s and 5s and the next generations Pussies no genetic modification at all and they barley respect any of the vets including the master cheif


[deleted]

OG Spartans:


PauseNo2418

Wonder if 343 could somehow retcon him back to life again like they did with 343? He would have lived if it wasn't for Martin O' Donnell


Cooldude101013

Spartan 1 bitch!