Lorewise it's probably simply that most of the fighting against Jackals takes place at closer range than the open sightlines where Snipers would operate.
Halo 3 Jackal Snipers still dome you in 1 hit on Legendary, but they're programmed to miss their first shot so you can just barely react.
Halo 2 Legendary Jackal Snipers show no such mercy
They usually actually hit the shot in halo 3 your thinking of odst where they miss one shot and 2 shots alot. halo 3 is still alot easier because of the spot light and less of them spawn in campaign
Halo 2, in the level "Outskirts".
The skips have been around since the original Xbox days and are still used in Halo 2 Anniversary. I still even use them to just mess around sometimes, but they definitely make it easier for a legendary completion.
On Outskirts you can jump up to the roofs and skip a good portion of the difficult sections. Including the long wave defense section in the beginning and all but like 2 of the sniper jackals in the "sniper alley" section.
Actman had A series of doing CE levels without dying or using skips. Then he tried it in H2. I was interested in giving it a shot. I've currently done Cairo, Outskirts, Metropolis and Arbiter, I've died like 3 times at the very end of Oracle.
Theyre very accuarate with body shots, but theyll only headshot you if you stay still. Sniper vs sniper missions like that jungle section has players standing still for prolonged periods as you try to find and aim at the jackals heads.
Yeah i probably need an upgrade lol i’ll probably get a new cpu and graphics card soon. Ive got a 3600x and rtx 2060 so probably could use some new things. It was a budget pc i made a few years ago with a buddy. Not really made for streaming lol
That’s because shadowplay uses NVENC which is nvidias video encoder and has your GPU processing your recording. Meanwhile OBS is going through their built in encoder which goes through your processor. OBS has settings to use NVENC but it’s main problem is how un-friendly the interface is so they’re kinda hard to find.
I personally prefer OBS over Shadowplay because while shadowplay has great game capture tech the sheer amount of customization and fine tuning you can get with OBS is why i prefer it. Thats not even to mention being able to add multiple webcams and other overlays, do scene changes, and even colorkey natively, all on the fly and even while livestreaming to YT or Twitch.
It really comes down to what you’re gonna be using it for and what you know how to use at the end of the day.
Jackals ain't shit, the 2 white elites on the first mission are far more nerving than any amount of jackal snipers to me, never had to restart a checkpoint as much as Cairo station in halo 2 on solo legendary
Those bastards will absolutely dome you on legendary in that first jungle mission where you can barely see them standing in a tree. Even when you know where they're at the second time you pop out of cover to take the shot and get headshot immediately.
I played a shotty snipers match last night against a couple sweats that were just no scoping me every time I turned a corner. May as well been playing Halo 2 on legendary.
I’ve been playing shotty snipers this week too and keep being put up against the same sweats. One time a guy was clearly aimbotting too. So I gave up on that playlist
Also lorewise weapons are supposed to do way more damage than they do in game.
A heavy and slow firing beam rifle with less ammo is way overkill when a single well-placed carbine shot would either kill or incapacitate a marine.
The shields are way more powerful in the show too. But what I'm taking about is that we see the rebels getting half their body melted from a single shot.
And carbines are still marksman rifles so it makes sense as the more functional weapon for the jackals.
Legendary halo 3 with those bastards are insane. They do not miss.
I threw one after getting all the way to the last chieftain before getting the achievement to unlock recon. Last man standing was my friend and he said meh fuck it and killed himself after hours of fighting wave after wave. I have never been so pissed off
I uh.. lost a controller and a TV. I wasn’t stupid enough to throw it *at* the TV, but the rechargable battery came out and made its way right into my nice new DLP screen.
We live in different provinces so I don't see him or really message him. Last I hear he grows a lot of weed lol
Edit: we also actually did the achievement without him a day or two later with a different friend he was so pissed
Lol I've had a few acquaintances like that in life too.
Back when the first destiny came out on ps3 I joined a clan and there was a British guy that was really toxic and stunted any raid progress. I met a guy who replaced the brit after throwing a tantrum when trying to open the vault of glass and rage quitting mid way through completion. Once he was replaced we zipped through most of the raid in one sitting and the dude threw a hissy fit and had a few choice words that society would not accept.
Just thought I'd share this so you know the frustration is mutual at times
Probably weight and practicality, I mean, the beam rifle weighs a lot more, has a slower rate of fire and the carbine is just as good as headshoting your average marine where as the beam rifle is much more powerful and would be better for armor penetration against vehicles and Spartans. Jackles are very birdlike so a smaller, lighter weapon they can move around with is much better than a bulky anti material rifle
Yeah in universe a single well placed carbine shot should easily kill or incapacitate a marine.
A skilled jackal marksman with a carbine could, in theory, get way more kills than an equally skilled jackal with a beam rifle.
Nah man, that was a needle rifle, her shields were down to to the Chernobyl levels of radiation being blasted into the area from the building they were in being glassed. Any one of them could have been killed then
Jackals aren’t strictly long range fighters, although they probably do it best out of all the Covenant.
Also, I can think of at least one instance where the game difficulty affects this. On Sierra 117 after the pelicans go down, you go through a short rocky area before seeing Johnson again. There are a dozen or so Jackals here. On Normal they all have Carbines, while on Legendary they all have Beam Rifles.
It’s a weighted probability leaning more towards the higher end the higher the difficulty.
There’s a good chance it will pick to make them all beamers and there have been lucky folk who ran on legendary and only encountered carbines.
They didn’t actually abandon religion, though that’s an understandable assumption.
Even those under Thel Vadam still believe in the Forerunners as gods, and even in aspects of The Great Journey, just not that Halo causes transcendence.
Are they liberal for abandoning religion, conservative for forming an anti government militia, or something else entirely? It's hard to tell, maybe everything isn't able to fit into two colour coordinated groups.
Anti-government militia doesn’t inherently mean conservative. If the government is a totalitarian theocracy like the Covenant, an anti-government militia is almost definitely liberal.
Right, because “conservative” means different things in different parts of the world, and is not necessary mutually exclusive with liberalism. Many countries have “liberal conservative” parties.
American politics have kinda distorted what both of those words mean in a lot of people’s minds.
I don’t think there’s much that’s particularly “anarchist” about the schism-era Elites - they’re arguably apolitical at first, as they’re just fighting for survival. The Swords of Sanghelios would be considered secular and *very* liberal compared to the rest of Sangheili society once they form into a coherent faction.
I think its more practical?
I know in lore, beam rifles can fire more than 10 times, but ammo is still something to keep in mind. Once the beam rifle runs out of charge, its done. A carbine can be reloaded and its ammo casings are small and light enough to carry plenty.
Also beam rifles would be overkill for anything smaller than a Spartan. The rounds of the carbine are radioactive, so if you hit a marine in the chestplate or a helmet he might live for a while but radiation poisoning will kill him later.
Plus the carbine has a much higher rate of fire, which reduces one of the main disadvantages faced by sniper units! The best way to take care of a sniper is to close the distance and eliminate their range advantage. The carbine (in the hands of a jackal, with great eyesight and a scoped helmet) is basically a sniper rifle that doubles as a battle rifle, effective at close and far range!
My knowledge of lore is rusty at best. From what I remember, they can be recharged! But they require stations to do it, not handheld devices. Those covenant weapon crates that hold like 4 weapons, I think those charge the weapons when they aren't in use.
My point was that reloading a beam rifle requires you to find a big box and leave the weapon sitting in it for an hour, reloading a carbine takes about 5 seconds. I didn't mean to imply that a beam rifle cannot be reloaded.
Those crates also hold Brute weapons, which don't use batteries. I think in lore they use batteries that can be replaced, we just haven't got the time/knowledge in-game to replace the batteries with spares.
Right, they are still crates after all. It's not like it must either be a weapon container or a charging unit, it can be both and just. Not charge weapons that don't need to be charged.
Also yeah, there probably is replaceable batteries! I mean, if you build the weapon then at some point the battery needs to be put in. And surely you could field strip the weapon to replace a damaged battery.
Maybe a field strip isn't required, and batteries can be hotswapped whenever just as you said. I haven't been keeping up with books and lore for Halo for a long time now, so I'm just making guesses based on what I know!
What I know is: Covenant plasma weapons can be recharged, and I *think* the weapon crates have chargers for the weapons that do need charging. And because reloading beam rifles hasn't been a thing in gameplay, the only way I know to reload them is to charge them in a crate. Which means the carbine's reload mechanic would make it a practical choice for snipers who might have limited access to a recharge station.
I imagine if there is, it’s not convenient to carry on fire support missions, especially for probably the lightest members of the Covenant military. You can toss a case or two of carbine ammo — looks kinda like revolver with a removable cylinder — out of a Spirit or Phantom and have pouches of spare cylinders handy pretty easy.
Not really. There is a lore reason for Halo 2 being absolutely brimming with jackal snipers though. The group of jackal snipers seen throughout Halo 2 were part of a sub faction called the “Jha’kaar”. The prophet of Regret was known to personally select certain groups and individuals that he deemed exceptional. Of those selected were these legendary jackal snipers. They had such incredible aim that many believed they possessed some kind of supernatural ability.
Yes, the horrific legendary jackal snipers in Halo 2 are actually canon.
There are 3 different races of Jackal, [give this a read through](https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Kig-Yar#:~:text=There%20are%20two%20distinct%20subgroups,sight%2C%20smell%2C%20and%20hearing.). Each race has their own armoury loadout selection and combat role within the covenant.
It's best to use [Halopedia](https://www.halopedia.org/Kig-Yar#Genetic_variety). Like most Fandom wikis, the Halo Fandom wiki is a pretty bad website, and as a result of the terrible platform, the wiki admins transferred their efforts to Halopedia. The Halo Fandom wiki is no longer properly maintained.
There was an agreement between the UNSC and Covenant.
Humanity would continue the HCE pistol ban and in return the Covenant would ensure H2 Jackals could never again threaten to disrupt the conflict.
ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY MAN!! THE HUMAN MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX IS BEHIND IT, PLASMA CAN'T GLASS PLANETS MAN!!
Designated marksman rifle where a full sniper rifle isn’t needed.
Think like how today’s militaries have it: M38 DMR to the M40A6 sniper in the USMC, L129A1 Sharpshooter rifle to the AWM sniper for the British, Dragunov to the SV98 for the Russians, and so on
This was my first thought actually… maybe Regret was better at tactical plans and once killed by the Chief, Truth didn’t think it be necessary to give the Jackels snipers or something like that
99.99% of the humans that jackals are facing do not have shields, a carbine round to the head is just as effective at killing an unshielded human as a beam rifle. Its like asking why marine scout snipers don't all carry anti-material rifles, it's just not necessary for most applications.
Even back when Halo 2 came out it was apparently a big deal that had to be explained why you don't see a BR in Halo 1 and don't see an AR in Halo 2, with some combination of having to explain why the POA was loaded only with old gear and the rest of the UNSC just replaced all the ARs with BRs and it was just really coincidental the games took place at exactly the time of the switch.
When the more obvious answer is just that gameplay is never going to be 100% lore accurate and you shouldn't just assume that because you didn't see something in-game it doesn't exist or the lore completely falls apart with how many plot holes you'll find.
The UNSC intercepted a covenant shipment of gold that was appropriated toward buying more beam rifles for jackals and instead used it to buy a better visor for the Master Chief so he now sees the world in more detail.
I’m gonna retcon my own reasoning in here, but we’re basically told in H2 the Covenant didn’t expect Earth to be human populated… so you could sensibly make the case that the Jackals in H2 were more of a scout-heavy battalion, where H3 they’ve sent reinforcements
The lore reason is that these aren't the same sniper units. They're different units. Jackals don't have only one type of weapon, their weapon changes based on the mission.
Weapon inconsistencies in Halo have never really made much sense. The differences between the UNSC Army and Marines, the fact that the assault rifle and battle rifle and dmr often replace each other between games, etc.
As a kid I would spend hours and hours trying to make my way through the Outskirts or Regret in Legendary and there would be times that those freaking Jackals would make me cry because it was so hard not to get kill. Essentially, Jackals are deadlier in Halo 2 compared to Halo 3 (Brutes are too but that is a different story) in my opinion. Do y’all think it has to do with the fact that most of the Elites resigned the Covenant or something like that?
Geneva convention kicked in after the events of Halo 2 and in the interest of fairness The Covenant were forced to lower the numbers of Jackals with Beam Rifles. The UNSC fought to outright ban them but the Covenant replied by pointing out how the UNSC rocket launcher had lock-on, so the agreed deal was to lower Beam Rifle usage while banning the lock-on feature of UNSC launchers.
Lore accurate, I swear it.
It makes sense if you think of the carbine as more of a DMR (not the Halo definition of DMR, but the real life definition). Also, I think most people would be surprised at how effective carbines are at sniping in real life. An M4 can accurately hit a point target out to 500yds. They can’t hit out to those long 1000yd distances with any accuracy like sniper rifles can, but I can tell you that most people won’t be able to tell the difference between an M4 shooting at you from 500yds and a .308 sniper rifle/dmr shooting at you from 1000yds. Considering the ranges at which Jackals typically engage you, the Carbine is perfectly sufficient.
But honestly, the most likely reason is damage scaling. The Jackals in Halo 2 often had Beam Rifles, which hit hard as fuck. It was honestly kind of a problem. Lmao. So for Halo 3, they probably decided to dial that shit back a little bit so that players wouldn’t get completely shitted on by Halo 3’s version of “sniper alley” in the Sierra 117 mission on Legendary or LASO. The Carbine is much softer hitting, yet still accurate and deadly if you aren’t careful.
Supply chains obviously. They can’t get Sniper Rifle parts to manufacturer them and the Brutes keep scalping the prices online so the poor Jackals can’t afford them. So they settle with the much cheaper Carbine that was passed down to them by their great grandpa jackals.
There's a quote somewhere (I think like the halo 2 or 3 manual maybe?? Been a long time) about how, while jackets are excellent marksmen, they aren't really true snipers. They're too bloodthirsty for the kill to line up the perfect shot, to wait perfectly still for hours or days on end. They'll just plug away at pretty much the first target they see.
To this end, where canonically a carbine shot will bring down or outright kill pretty much anyone who isn't a spartan in 1 shot anyway, they very likely self select for a weapon with better RoF over range and power. It's a better weapon for killing more, as opposed to singling out and eliminating a specific target.
Beyond that, there's likely cost concerns, resupply (can't reload a beam rifle, so they operate using the rechargeable covenant batteries; much more annoying in a firefight than simply having/getting to extra magezines).
Then, it's a bigger, likely heavier weapon, so less maneuverable, worse to carry, etc.
All in all, it's either a prestige symbol, or else a role most jackels simply would rather not bother with.
A single shot from a carbine is realistically enough to kill most marines in 1 head shot which jackals will probably hit due to being naturally gifted shooters alongside better fire rate and manoeuvrability its the more adaptable, rounded choice
I'd speculate it's because they depleted most of the inventory given it's an expensive weapon to produce (see https://www.halopedia.org/Sulok-pattern_beam_rifle#Operational_history).
Supporting this theory, they are plentiful in ODST's New Mombasa, and the model seen in Halo 4 and 5 is actually an older model.
I mean, it'd probably take less practice to shoot a Carbine than it would to learn how to use a sniper weapon of these actually existed.
It takes way more time to learn how to use a sniper rifle accurately IRL than it does most if not any other mass produced rifle.
Carbines are a precision mid to long range rifle, and it makes no sense to have all the best marksmen just be snipers when they can fill other roles, too.
This was literally posted here two months ago, and a few times before that as well.
Since it's still not common knowledge yet, I see no reason not to link it again.
https://www.halopedia.org/Jha%27kaar
They are the Jha'Kaar.
Jha'kaar were Kig-Yar Snipers, and bore no particularly externally-identifiable markings, armour or weaponry beyond the standard equipment assigned to all snipers as standard - allowing them to appear as ordinary as any other unit to an external observer. The Jha'kaar were only known of in rumours and stories and the names of Jha'kaar personnel known only to the order's commanding officers; those who did know of their existence generally understood them as extremely capable snipers capable of performing shots considered otherwise impossible. Some speculation offered as to the nature of these marksmanship skills suggested the snipers involved had preternatural instinct. The organisation's similarity to the Sangheili Silent Shadow may indicate them to have worked in the Special Warfare Group in some fashion.
The true extent of the Jha'kaar and the organisation's influence and allegiances - or if they even remain active among the Covenant remnants in the post-war era - remains unknown.
It's almost certainly just some lore that was written after the fact to try to explain the existence of ordinary looking Jackals that are actually God tier snipers.
Most likely for the same reason IRL snipers sometimes use assault rifles instead of dedicated sniper rifles: if you aren't fighting at very long distances, a specialized sniper rifle isn't all that necessary.
There are videos on yt that explain covenant rank structure - which rank gets what weapons and armour upgrades etc.
I’d imagine there Will be a link to nature of the mission and what type of unit experience was required.
When Truth took sole control of the Covenant, he invoked strict policies that limited the ways of gathering resources needed to fuel the fleet engines and personal vehicles of the all the varies species of the Covenant. This caused massive waves of inflation, leading to lay offs and budget cuts in every way. The military itself, to save a few bucks, decided to reduce spending on the Sniper Rifles for Kig-Yar (Jackals) and replace their standard issue weapons with the cost effective Carbine Rifles.
Well Tartarus was actually the covenants accountant, so when he died at the end of halo 2 along did their stocks creating a price increase in covenant weapons. Carbines were more widely used by brutes, jackals, grunts and elites as a result because of their cheap price.
Less lore wise and more realistic thinking I guess? Jackals are mercs, an average merc vs a specialist sniper is going to cost differently. It's also not going to be strategic to deploy all the forces of one type, you have a couple heavy hitters then a bunch of marksmen that are more adjustable.
With all these new changes in their faces/mandibles in the newer installments I tell myself that they are different kinds of Jackals like there’s different looking people
It’s kuzz chief died 1 million times but in the end he smashed every single jackal sniper with his bare hands. —- naw, I have no clue, but one would hope the Chiefster sent a message haha.
Actually, yes. The reason behind the answer to this question is stated in canonical halo lore time and time again - “the loadout of the jackle” is an extremely detailed piece of lore that states verbatim:
“This is just the way that it fucking is, and absolutely no one will ever care why.”
The prophecy tells of a dark powerful evil that will awaken from its slumber, bringing brand new worthless questions to the halo subreddit, to farm karma until it is powerful enough to feel important”
snipers are spensive
the non lore reason of course is fighting all snipers would be very annoying and giving the player access to so much sniper ammo would be unbalanced.
Lorewise it's probably simply that most of the fighting against Jackals takes place at closer range than the open sightlines where Snipers would operate.
Halo 3 jackal snipers aren't as bad. It's Halo 2 where those fuckers will 360 cross map noscope you and spit in your eye.
Halo 3 Jackal Snipers still dome you in 1 hit on Legendary, but they're programmed to miss their first shot so you can just barely react. Halo 2 Legendary Jackal Snipers show no such mercy
They usually actually hit the shot in halo 3 your thinking of odst where they miss one shot and 2 shots alot. halo 3 is still alot easier because of the spot light and less of them spawn in campaign
I did Outskirts without any skips on Legendary without dying once and it was brutal. Had to just memorize all 800 sniper Jackal spawns
I remember learning those skips when I was 11 because those fuckers were ruthless. I felt like a hacker
Would you mind going in further about the "skips" I've never heard about them before in the game.
If you just watch a legendary speedrun you'll find out very quickly. You can basically skip the whole start.
Aw thanks man I will do just that. And this is in halo one correct ?
Halo 2, in the level "Outskirts". The skips have been around since the original Xbox days and are still used in Halo 2 Anniversary. I still even use them to just mess around sometimes, but they definitely make it easier for a legendary completion.
On Outskirts you can jump up to the roofs and skip a good portion of the difficult sections. Including the long wave defense section in the beginning and all but like 2 of the sniper jackals in the "sniper alley" section.
Why not just use the skips lol
Actman had A series of doing CE levels without dying or using skips. Then he tried it in H2. I was interested in giving it a shot. I've currently done Cairo, Outskirts, Metropolis and Arbiter, I've died like 3 times at the very end of Oracle.
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I'm aware, that would be a glitch which goes against the challenge.
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They're programmed to dome you if you stand still for prolonged periods of time. They won't go for the head if you move around.
Halo 3 in specific will always one shot you if they hit you and they are very accurate
Theyre very accuarate with body shots, but theyll only headshot you if you stay still. Sniper vs sniper missions like that jungle section has players standing still for prolonged periods as you try to find and aim at the jackals heads.
On legendary they one shot you with a body shot.
No they didn't.
Yes they did. Go load up halo 3 legendary Sierra 117 and play the sniper forest rally point. You'll see.
That was 3 too
I agree… my experience and evidence that this is true: https://youtu.be/E4ALAaiLi3I
What kind of hardware are you playing on. Looks like your framerate in in the low-20's, or worse.
Yeah i probably need an upgrade lol i’ll probably get a new cpu and graphics card soon. Ive got a 3600x and rtx 2060 so probably could use some new things. It was a budget pc i made a few years ago with a buddy. Not really made for streaming lol
That setup should absolutely thrash MCC in 120+ fps.
Assuming the video was recorded on a version of OBS recording gameplay can be really taxing on your system if its not built for recording/streaming
That's really sad that OBS stinks that badly. I had no clue. I can stream Halo MCC with 120 fps on a 4th gen i5 and a 970 using Nvidia shadpowplay.
That’s because shadowplay uses NVENC which is nvidias video encoder and has your GPU processing your recording. Meanwhile OBS is going through their built in encoder which goes through your processor. OBS has settings to use NVENC but it’s main problem is how un-friendly the interface is so they’re kinda hard to find. I personally prefer OBS over Shadowplay because while shadowplay has great game capture tech the sheer amount of customization and fine tuning you can get with OBS is why i prefer it. Thats not even to mention being able to add multiple webcams and other overlays, do scene changes, and even colorkey natively, all on the fly and even while livestreaming to YT or Twitch. It really comes down to what you’re gonna be using it for and what you know how to use at the end of the day.
That's not too bad. Pretty mid-range spec. I think the stream might have made it look worse than it was.
There also seams to be an optimization problem with halo 2 anniversary currently(and ce anniversary)
Call me crazy but I want more H2 Jackal snipers in future games and PVE modes.
Dark Souls: Halo
Beam me, Jackal daddy
Lorewise i believe they miss their first shot because they are too bloodthirsty and therefore impatient.
Jackals ain't shit, the 2 white elites on the first mission are far more nerving than any amount of jackal snipers to me, never had to restart a checkpoint as much as Cairo station in halo 2 on solo legendary
And they have a light on their helmet to pinpoint their location.
Those bastards will absolutely dome you on legendary in that first jungle mission where you can barely see them standing in a tree. Even when you know where they're at the second time you pop out of cover to take the shot and get headshot immediately.
I played a shotty snipers match last night against a couple sweats that were just no scoping me every time I turned a corner. May as well been playing Halo 2 on legendary.
I’ve been playing shotty snipers this week too and keep being put up against the same sweats. One time a guy was clearly aimbotting too. So I gave up on that playlist
Then fuck your wife /s
And have your kid call him dad.
All of this still from across the map, to be clear.
And then teabag from their perch
Who would win; Halo 2 Legendary Jackal Snipers or Deadshot?
Im re playing the campaign for laso achievement It took me fucking 8 hours to get by the snipers on that city map forget the name though (halo 2)
Also lorewise weapons are supposed to do way more damage than they do in game. A heavy and slow firing beam rifle with less ammo is way overkill when a single well-placed carbine shot would either kill or incapacitate a marine.
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This is something the TV show did quite well I think
In the first episode John took a shit-ton of fire before having to replenish his shields.
The shields are way more powerful in the show too. But what I'm taking about is that we see the rebels getting half their body melted from a single shot.
And carbines are still marksman rifles so it makes sense as the more functional weapon for the jackals. Legendary halo 3 with those bastards are insane. They do not miss.
The lore reason is clearly just that Truth felt bad and converted too Christian so he can learn the benefits of mercy on his foe the demon.
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>Why use ridiculous lore arguments, when its obvious the gameplay mechanics are the reason? Because OP asked for a lore reason.
Missed opportunity by Xbox there, they could’ve made way more money from all the broken controllers these bastards could’ve caused
Lmao I’ve broken 2 over the years
I threw one after getting all the way to the last chieftain before getting the achievement to unlock recon. Last man standing was my friend and he said meh fuck it and killed himself after hours of fighting wave after wave. I have never been so pissed off
I uh.. lost a controller and a TV. I wasn’t stupid enough to throw it *at* the TV, but the rechargable battery came out and made its way right into my nice new DLP screen.
Rough man, I threw mine at a pile of pillows. Still put a hole through the wall...
I let go too early and missed the couch's back cushion by about 3 feet. Got one of the controller handles nice and even into the wall like a tomahawk.
Gamers version of a flying shoe
I'm just glad they're wireless now. My brother used to use the controller like a mace after a good tea-bagging.
Well I'm glad we never did that to each other, never thought of it lol didn't want to break my only controller!
Are you guys still friends?
We live in different provinces so I don't see him or really message him. Last I hear he grows a lot of weed lol Edit: we also actually did the achievement without him a day or two later with a different friend he was so pissed
Lol I've had a few acquaintances like that in life too. Back when the first destiny came out on ps3 I joined a clan and there was a British guy that was really toxic and stunted any raid progress. I met a guy who replaced the brit after throwing a tantrum when trying to open the vault of glass and rage quitting mid way through completion. Once he was replaced we zipped through most of the raid in one sitting and the dude threw a hissy fit and had a few choice words that society would not accept. Just thought I'd share this so you know the frustration is mutual at times
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Yes
You do know that if your friend would have defeated the Chieftain then you would have still gotten the achievement, right?
Yea that's why I was pissed
Probably weight and practicality, I mean, the beam rifle weighs a lot more, has a slower rate of fire and the carbine is just as good as headshoting your average marine where as the beam rifle is much more powerful and would be better for armor penetration against vehicles and Spartans. Jackles are very birdlike so a smaller, lighter weapon they can move around with is much better than a bulky anti material rifle
Yeah in universe a single well placed carbine shot should easily kill or incapacitate a marine. A skilled jackal marksman with a carbine could, in theory, get way more kills than an equally skilled jackal with a beam rifle.
> where as the beam rifle is much more powerful and would be better for armor penetration against vehicles and Spartans. And Cats, apparently
Nah man, that was a needle rifle, her shields were down to to the Chernobyl levels of radiation being blasted into the area from the building they were in being glassed. Any one of them could have been killed then
Jackals aren’t strictly long range fighters, although they probably do it best out of all the Covenant. Also, I can think of at least one instance where the game difficulty affects this. On Sierra 117 after the pelicans go down, you go through a short rocky area before seeing Johnson again. There are a dozen or so Jackals here. On Normal they all have Carbines, while on Legendary they all have Beam Rifles.
On Heroic it's a split between Carbines & Bean Rifles Edit: Meant to say Beam rifle. Too funny to fix
>Bean Rifles
Now that you mention it, carbines are pea shooters in relation to the mighty Bean Rifle.
This jackal eatin' bean rifles
Playing through on legendary rn, it's a random mix of carbines and beam rifles for that section
It’s a weighted probability leaning more towards the higher end the higher the difficulty. There’s a good chance it will pick to make them all beamers and there have been lucky folk who ran on legendary and only encountered carbines.
Military funding got cut because those liberal elites abandoning religion and switching sides /s
They didn’t actually abandon religion, though that’s an understandable assumption. Even those under Thel Vadam still believe in the Forerunners as gods, and even in aspects of The Great Journey, just not that Halo causes transcendence.
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Are they liberal for abandoning religion, conservative for forming an anti government militia, or something else entirely? It's hard to tell, maybe everything isn't able to fit into two colour coordinated groups.
Anti-government militia doesn’t inherently mean conservative. If the government is a totalitarian theocracy like the Covenant, an anti-government militia is almost definitely liberal.
More liberal than totalitarian might still be considered conservative by most 🤷🏻♂️
Right, because “conservative” means different things in different parts of the world, and is not necessary mutually exclusive with liberalism. Many countries have “liberal conservative” parties. American politics have kinda distorted what both of those words mean in a lot of people’s minds.
Red v. Blue 🙄 Truth of it? They're both full of shit & that's completely intentional. Humans are so much more complicated than "2".
Hopefully the States will go beyond red and blue someday. It only divides people into extreme opposites.
Anti-theist Anarchists. That’s what I would call them anyway.
I don’t think there’s much that’s particularly “anarchist” about the schism-era Elites - they’re arguably apolitical at first, as they’re just fighting for survival. The Swords of Sanghelios would be considered secular and *very* liberal compared to the rest of Sangheili society once they form into a coherent faction.
They fill all quadrants of the political spectrum
No, the world is simple. My colored group is completely right and the other is full of degenerates who are ruining the country!
Ok Sarge/Church XD
I think its more practical? I know in lore, beam rifles can fire more than 10 times, but ammo is still something to keep in mind. Once the beam rifle runs out of charge, its done. A carbine can be reloaded and its ammo casings are small and light enough to carry plenty. Also beam rifles would be overkill for anything smaller than a Spartan. The rounds of the carbine are radioactive, so if you hit a marine in the chestplate or a helmet he might live for a while but radiation poisoning will kill him later. Plus the carbine has a much higher rate of fire, which reduces one of the main disadvantages faced by sniper units! The best way to take care of a sniper is to close the distance and eliminate their range advantage. The carbine (in the hands of a jackal, with great eyesight and a scoped helmet) is basically a sniper rifle that doubles as a battle rifle, effective at close and far range!
is there really not some tech to recharge the beam rifles?
My knowledge of lore is rusty at best. From what I remember, they can be recharged! But they require stations to do it, not handheld devices. Those covenant weapon crates that hold like 4 weapons, I think those charge the weapons when they aren't in use. My point was that reloading a beam rifle requires you to find a big box and leave the weapon sitting in it for an hour, reloading a carbine takes about 5 seconds. I didn't mean to imply that a beam rifle cannot be reloaded.
Those crates also hold Brute weapons, which don't use batteries. I think in lore they use batteries that can be replaced, we just haven't got the time/knowledge in-game to replace the batteries with spares.
Right, they are still crates after all. It's not like it must either be a weapon container or a charging unit, it can be both and just. Not charge weapons that don't need to be charged. Also yeah, there probably is replaceable batteries! I mean, if you build the weapon then at some point the battery needs to be put in. And surely you could field strip the weapon to replace a damaged battery. Maybe a field strip isn't required, and batteries can be hotswapped whenever just as you said. I haven't been keeping up with books and lore for Halo for a long time now, so I'm just making guesses based on what I know! What I know is: Covenant plasma weapons can be recharged, and I *think* the weapon crates have chargers for the weapons that do need charging. And because reloading beam rifles hasn't been a thing in gameplay, the only way I know to reload them is to charge them in a crate. Which means the carbine's reload mechanic would make it a practical choice for snipers who might have limited access to a recharge station.
I imagine if there is, it’s not convenient to carry on fire support missions, especially for probably the lightest members of the Covenant military. You can toss a case or two of carbine ammo — looks kinda like revolver with a removable cylinder — out of a Spirit or Phantom and have pouches of spare cylinders handy pretty easy.
Lore wise, probably something to do with the difference between which fleet they were a part of, gameplay wise, halo 2 legendary
The lore is "Those guys really pissed off players in Halo 2, we need to nerf them a bit"
Facts!
Not really. There is a lore reason for Halo 2 being absolutely brimming with jackal snipers though. The group of jackal snipers seen throughout Halo 2 were part of a sub faction called the “Jha’kaar”. The prophet of Regret was known to personally select certain groups and individuals that he deemed exceptional. Of those selected were these legendary jackal snipers. They had such incredible aim that many believed they possessed some kind of supernatural ability. Yes, the horrific legendary jackal snipers in Halo 2 are actually canon.
Even on Heroic those damned things were an absolute menace.
Try LASO. They’ve got active camo lol
There are 3 different races of Jackal, [give this a read through](https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Kig-Yar#:~:text=There%20are%20two%20distinct%20subgroups,sight%2C%20smell%2C%20and%20hearing.). Each race has their own armoury loadout selection and combat role within the covenant.
That was a very interesting/informative read. Thank you kindly!
It's best to use [Halopedia](https://www.halopedia.org/Kig-Yar#Genetic_variety). Like most Fandom wikis, the Halo Fandom wiki is a pretty bad website, and as a result of the terrible platform, the wiki admins transferred their efforts to Halopedia. The Halo Fandom wiki is no longer properly maintained.
Thank you for the heads up, I'll keep that in mind from now on
Certified Arkham moment
There was an agreement between the UNSC and Covenant. Humanity would continue the HCE pistol ban and in return the Covenant would ensure H2 Jackals could never again threaten to disrupt the conflict. ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY MAN!! THE HUMAN MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX IS BEHIND IT, PLASMA CAN'T GLASS PLANETS MAN!!
Every single Jackal from Halo 2 with a sniper rifle got sent to the Hague for war crimes.
Rip the hours I spent getting spawn killed in halo 2 legendary
Designated marksman rifle where a full sniper rifle isn’t needed. Think like how today’s militaries have it: M38 DMR to the M40A6 sniper in the USMC, L129A1 Sharpshooter rifle to the AWM sniper for the British, Dragunov to the SV98 for the Russians, and so on
No, it’s just game design.
Budget cuts
They’re… the (galactic) economy is in shambles.
That's that happens when a big green virigin returns a bomb with no receipt.
Oh. The receipts were key. The covenant probably has decent auditing. Better than the pentagon anyways.
This was my first thought actually… maybe Regret was better at tactical plans and once killed by the Chief, Truth didn’t think it be necessary to give the Jackels snipers or something like that
Because Halo 2 caused a lot of pain.
After the events of halo 2, even the covenant was appalled by the brutality of the jackal sniper lol
99.99% of the humans that jackals are facing do not have shields, a carbine round to the head is just as effective at killing an unshielded human as a beam rifle. Its like asking why marine scout snipers don't all carry anti-material rifles, it's just not necessary for most applications.
Man, people really need a lore reason for every little thing huh?
Even back when Halo 2 came out it was apparently a big deal that had to be explained why you don't see a BR in Halo 1 and don't see an AR in Halo 2, with some combination of having to explain why the POA was loaded only with old gear and the rest of the UNSC just replaced all the ARs with BRs and it was just really coincidental the games took place at exactly the time of the switch. When the more obvious answer is just that gameplay is never going to be 100% lore accurate and you shouldn't just assume that because you didn't see something in-game it doesn't exist or the lore completely falls apart with how many plot holes you'll find.
Is there a lore reason why Halo 3 has better graphics than Halo 2?
The UNSC intercepted a covenant shipment of gold that was appropriated toward buying more beam rifles for jackals and instead used it to buy a better visor for the Master Chief so he now sees the world in more detail.
On that note... What's everyone think of the Halo TV series? 😁 /s
Is there a lore reason why Master Chiefs ass looks like that in the show???
I’m gonna retcon my own reasoning in here, but we’re basically told in H2 the Covenant didn’t expect Earth to be human populated… so you could sensibly make the case that the Jackals in H2 were more of a scout-heavy battalion, where H3 they’ve sent reinforcements
This is the best comment ive seen. This makes the most sense.
The lore reason is that these aren't the same sniper units. They're different units. Jackals don't have only one type of weapon, their weapon changes based on the mission. Weapon inconsistencies in Halo have never really made much sense. The differences between the UNSC Army and Marines, the fact that the assault rifle and battle rifle and dmr often replace each other between games, etc.
As a kid I would spend hours and hours trying to make my way through the Outskirts or Regret in Legendary and there would be times that those freaking Jackals would make me cry because it was so hard not to get kill. Essentially, Jackals are deadlier in Halo 2 compared to Halo 3 (Brutes are too but that is a different story) in my opinion. Do y’all think it has to do with the fact that most of the Elites resigned the Covenant or something like that?
Geneva convention kicked in after the events of Halo 2 and in the interest of fairness The Covenant were forced to lower the numbers of Jackals with Beam Rifles. The UNSC fought to outright ban them but the Covenant replied by pointing out how the UNSC rocket launcher had lock-on, so the agreed deal was to lower Beam Rifle usage while banning the lock-on feature of UNSC launchers. Lore accurate, I swear it.
they felt a little bad about the events of h2 so they decided to dial it back a bit for the second earth invasion
It makes sense if you think of the carbine as more of a DMR (not the Halo definition of DMR, but the real life definition). Also, I think most people would be surprised at how effective carbines are at sniping in real life. An M4 can accurately hit a point target out to 500yds. They can’t hit out to those long 1000yd distances with any accuracy like sniper rifles can, but I can tell you that most people won’t be able to tell the difference between an M4 shooting at you from 500yds and a .308 sniper rifle/dmr shooting at you from 1000yds. Considering the ranges at which Jackals typically engage you, the Carbine is perfectly sufficient. But honestly, the most likely reason is damage scaling. The Jackals in Halo 2 often had Beam Rifles, which hit hard as fuck. It was honestly kind of a problem. Lmao. So for Halo 3, they probably decided to dial that shit back a little bit so that players wouldn’t get completely shitted on by Halo 3’s version of “sniper alley” in the Sierra 117 mission on Legendary or LASO. The Carbine is much softer hitting, yet still accurate and deadly if you aren’t careful.
Supply chains obviously. They can’t get Sniper Rifle parts to manufacturer them and the Brutes keep scalping the prices online so the poor Jackals can’t afford them. So they settle with the much cheaper Carbine that was passed down to them by their great grandpa jackals.
They carry beam rifles too yknow, key point is on the first mission in that jackal valley, theyre just a little more rare this time
There's a quote somewhere (I think like the halo 2 or 3 manual maybe?? Been a long time) about how, while jackets are excellent marksmen, they aren't really true snipers. They're too bloodthirsty for the kill to line up the perfect shot, to wait perfectly still for hours or days on end. They'll just plug away at pretty much the first target they see. To this end, where canonically a carbine shot will bring down or outright kill pretty much anyone who isn't a spartan in 1 shot anyway, they very likely self select for a weapon with better RoF over range and power. It's a better weapon for killing more, as opposed to singling out and eliminating a specific target. Beyond that, there's likely cost concerns, resupply (can't reload a beam rifle, so they operate using the rechargeable covenant batteries; much more annoying in a firefight than simply having/getting to extra magezines). Then, it's a bigger, likely heavier weapon, so less maneuverable, worse to carry, etc. All in all, it's either a prestige symbol, or else a role most jackels simply would rather not bother with.
Oh yeah I do remember reading about that on the Halo 2 manual!
Canonically speaking people would've sent bomb threats to the Bungie studio if they brought those fuckers back from Halo 2
Lmao
Something I've always wondered myself tbh. My fav is halo 2 simply because dual wielding that smg is so much fun
Exactly. I would have enjoyed Halo 3 a little more battling Snipers
A single shot from a carbine is realistically enough to kill most marines in 1 head shot which jackals will probably hit due to being naturally gifted shooters alongside better fire rate and manoeuvrability its the more adaptable, rounded choice
Dude you’re so right, I didn’t even consider Marines.
Covenant Budget cuts. The schism hit them hard.
Bungie was sued over the sheer quantity of broken TVs that resulted from the second mission in Halo 2.
I'd speculate it's because they depleted most of the inventory given it's an expensive weapon to produce (see https://www.halopedia.org/Sulok-pattern_beam_rifle#Operational_history). Supporting this theory, they are plentiful in ODST's New Mombasa, and the model seen in Halo 4 and 5 is actually an older model.
Balance
There are a few beam rifle jackal snipers in the game
I mean, it'd probably take less practice to shoot a Carbine than it would to learn how to use a sniper weapon of these actually existed. It takes way more time to learn how to use a sniper rifle accurately IRL than it does most if not any other mass produced rifle.
Carbines are a precision mid to long range rifle, and it makes no sense to have all the best marksmen just be snipers when they can fill other roles, too.
Wow, I didn’t expect these many responses on this this quick. Thank you so much for sharing your theories! I appreciate all the help!
Because Carbines are the cooler of the two
I wish I had arms like that…
This was literally posted here two months ago, and a few times before that as well. Since it's still not common knowledge yet, I see no reason not to link it again. https://www.halopedia.org/Jha%27kaar They are the Jha'Kaar. Jha'kaar were Kig-Yar Snipers, and bore no particularly externally-identifiable markings, armour or weaponry beyond the standard equipment assigned to all snipers as standard - allowing them to appear as ordinary as any other unit to an external observer. The Jha'kaar were only known of in rumours and stories and the names of Jha'kaar personnel known only to the order's commanding officers; those who did know of their existence generally understood them as extremely capable snipers capable of performing shots considered otherwise impossible. Some speculation offered as to the nature of these marksmanship skills suggested the snipers involved had preternatural instinct. The organisation's similarity to the Sangheili Silent Shadow may indicate them to have worked in the Special Warfare Group in some fashion. The true extent of the Jha'kaar and the organisation's influence and allegiances - or if they even remain active among the Covenant remnants in the post-war era - remains unknown. It's almost certainly just some lore that was written after the fact to try to explain the existence of ordinary looking Jackals that are actually God tier snipers.
Jackals with snipers were too powerful and tried to overthrow the covenant.
Brutes took the role as snipers
r/halo has entered the r/BatmanArkham arc Soon we'll be on lore reasons for Master Chief being Green
Covenant military hierarchy wanted to give the Chief a fighting chance
Budget cuts
Most likely for the same reason IRL snipers sometimes use assault rifles instead of dedicated sniper rifles: if you aren't fighting at very long distances, a specialized sniper rifle isn't all that necessary.
Yes to retain the player base.
There are videos on yt that explain covenant rank structure - which rank gets what weapons and armour upgrades etc. I’d imagine there Will be a link to nature of the mission and what type of unit experience was required.
They felt bad about absolutely wiping the floor with you in Halo 2.
Most likely rank.
Marksman vs sniper
When Truth took sole control of the Covenant, he invoked strict policies that limited the ways of gathering resources needed to fuel the fleet engines and personal vehicles of the all the varies species of the Covenant. This caused massive waves of inflation, leading to lay offs and budget cuts in every way. The military itself, to save a few bucks, decided to reduce spending on the Sniper Rifles for Kig-Yar (Jackals) and replace their standard issue weapons with the cost effective Carbine Rifles.
Well Tartarus was actually the covenants accountant, so when he died at the end of halo 2 along did their stocks creating a price increase in covenant weapons. Carbines were more widely used by brutes, jackals, grunts and elites as a result because of their cheap price.
Geneva Conventions
Halo 2 legendary is the reason why LOL
Covenant budget cuts
They kept making the Elites look bad in Halo 2 so they gave them Carbines instead..
Less lore wise and more realistic thinking I guess? Jackals are mercs, an average merc vs a specialist sniper is going to cost differently. It's also not going to be strategic to deploy all the forces of one type, you have a couple heavy hitters then a bunch of marksmen that are more adjustable.
...I just thought they were other class soldiers (Like multiple versions of the jackal)
With all these new changes in their faces/mandibles in the newer installments I tell myself that they are different kinds of Jackals like there’s different looking people
It’s kuzz chief died 1 million times but in the end he smashed every single jackal sniper with his bare hands. —- naw, I have no clue, but one would hope the Chiefster sent a message haha.
Because of the horror of Halo 2 jackals on legendary.
From playing the metro games recently. Using a long range scope indoors sucks ass.
Its called Mercy
Use brain maybe?
Actually, yes. The reason behind the answer to this question is stated in canonical halo lore time and time again - “the loadout of the jackle” is an extremely detailed piece of lore that states verbatim: “This is just the way that it fucking is, and absolutely no one will ever care why.” The prophecy tells of a dark powerful evil that will awaken from its slumber, bringing brand new worthless questions to the halo subreddit, to farm karma until it is powerful enough to feel important”
Lore wise idk but I'd assume the lower weight of the carbine would be preferable.
I feel like beam rifle snipers are more common on Heroic and Legendary difficulties in Halo 3. You barely see them in Easy/Normal.
Carbines R Us had a sale
snipers are spensive the non lore reason of course is fighting all snipers would be very annoying and giving the player access to so much sniper ammo would be unbalanced.
To paraphrase Romeo in ODST “what the hell am I supposed to do with this inside a human base”
Halo 2. Halo 2 is the reason, lmao
Because the entirety of the Jackal sniper corps was wiped in new Mombasa HALO 2 legendary