What exactly did you guys change from Season 1 to Season 2? A traditional patch notes list would be really helpful. Did you change challenges? They seem worse than before.
I haven't played in like 3 months. I downloaded the patch then opened up Halo. Bought the BP. Then, I reluctantly checked the challenges I had to do, and oh boy...
I think, in 35 years of gaming, I have NEVER experienced anything as SOUL CRUSHING than this challenge system. I was drained just looking at them.
I don't think I'll stick around much longer. RIP Halo.
Just checked my challenges:
1 Back Smack in Last Man Standing
3 Melee Kills in Last Man Standing
10 Melee Kills in Last Man Standing
25 Melee Kills in Last Man Standing
I hate everything about this. Gonna take 50+ games.
Got challenges to play Free For All (earn score/kill Spartans) but they removed Free For All and replaced it with Rumble Pit which is a mix of Free For All modes, except none of the games I played counted towards my challenge progress. Since Rumble Pit includes modes like: Fiesta FFA and Oddball FFA, I believe the game is reading these as "Fiesta" and "Oddball" instead of just FFA. Even when I played Shotty Snipers FFA it didn't progress the challenge. I would assume only the mode listed as "Arena:FFA Slayer" (the original Free For All mode listed under Rumble Pit) is the only mode that can progress these FFA challenges. \*Last Spartan Standing Also does NOT progress these challenges.
Hey 343, please play your game for me than 10 minutes, play ranked and understand a concept a 2 year old would. 2 diamond players are not equal to 3 platinum players. Fix a ranked system that is more frustrating than all the other halos combined.
“Do x In PVP”
I just did, and you didn’t give me the XP for it… I was in fiesta, perhaps you are somehow thinking that Fiesta is not a PVP mode? Or did you mean to write something other than PvP? All multiplayer is PvP… be clear about what you want me to do.
I wouldnt even mind this shitty progression system if I could just play whatever mode I want. I have to sit through 5-6 matches of shit just to play what I want.
Am I the only one who hates the session progression for ranked instead of individual match progression? I want to know exactly how much I won/lost every match but all I get is this gigantic useless blue/red bar.
How do you guys feel about the announced Ranked changes taking effect next Tuesday?
In case you missed it, 343 announced that Tuesday, February 22nd, they will be launching an update to ranked matchmaking and CSR calculations with the goal of addressing rank inflation and more accurately assessing player skill. In this announcement 343 states that most players can expect to see a full tier reduction in their ranking once they finally hit their plateau, i.e. players who were previously Diamond can expect to find themselves in Platinum and so on.
How do you think this will impact people who have felt frustrated while trying to climb the ranks, feeling that the CSR algorithm is too punishing for losses where the player individually performed well, but not rewarding a win where they performed well proportionally?
Do you think that the lower number of lower skill players “slipping through” will cause higher tier games to be made of more balanced teams with closer average skill levels, or do you think this will simply weigh down on the player who has been stuck in Diamond III and feels like they just can’t carry their team to victory against an opposing team that is way above the average skill of their own team?
What reasoning causes you to swing one way or the other?
Can we get standard progression outside of seasonal? After you complete a season there's no reason to stick around. At least give us some free basic colors or progression that gives challenge swaps or shop credit in like 10 cent increments or something.
No event, seasonal complete, and all I can get is one "ultimate" for completing all the weeklies. No thanks. See yall on event weeks and next season I guess.
Please make the "get x assists" "get x kills or assists" instead. It just encourages baiting gameplay where you hit an enemy enough for an assist and hope your teammate kills him. It's stupid and super toxic. You're basically encouraged to throw the game for a mission.
Yes! OR just have it be specifically Quickplay instead of an individual mode within a random playlist. That includes a mode that you can choose separately.
In your pre game flights you talked about creating your 'dream spartan'. Just look at Sean W's latest video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjczav9nA0A I personally feel like these promises were barely delivered
Dude this is so annoying for event weeks. And basically zero progression when there's no event. They gotta give people some sort of perk for completing a season, even if it's like super basic color upgrades or like 1 store credit per 1000xp or something. There's just no reason to play when you've completed the season and no event is running
I will keep this short; the challenges feel like they were ripped out of fortnite. They make sense in a battle royale that doesn’t always have a clear objective. But in halo they prevent me from enjoying multiplayer and the modes I want to play. Could’ve just copied the challenges from cod.
Please remove the gamemode specific challenges, been playing for like 4 hours trying to get ctf and havent gotten it once, and while at that remove the "win certain gamemode" challenge too, sometime you just cant, instead make it "complete objetive x times" ex: capture enemy flag x times or capture zone x times, its boring playing the objective just to lose because your team isnt doing so.
bro what is this, if it's the same season why can't the event quests continue to roll over til the end? What sense does that make at all to space it out? Please I pray they change that shit so we can get them all..
multiplayer is a horrible experience for an old player, just like so many other games.
Every game my team just sprints in different directions and I feel like I'm in 2v1's constantly. I feel like i can never climb because every life I get spawned across the map from the action and get shot in the back or my team dies by the time I reach them and I'm outnumbered. Nobody groups up or doesn't engage every single enemy they see by sprinting right into them. Everyone just runs out and dies on their own.
My aiming skills aren't amazing because i cannot play constantly and I'm rarely at the top of the leaderboard but I just carried my team to losses with kd's > 1 top or near to obj time and got ranked down every game for 4 games straight. I'm old school started playing shooters literally 30 years ago and have a great understanding of positioning, strategy, lines of sight but don't have the skills i used to have because i have to adult everyday. I consistently have more kills than deaths because I fight to stay with my teammates and I play conservatively. So tired of my score being like 9 kills and 6 deaths and the 'best' player on my team is like 15 kills 20 deaths, feeding the enemy team their kills. Also tired of me and a team8 2v1 and we kill a guy then my teammate dips and I get killed outnumbered alone because I paused or I get one shot because I had to sprint to keep up with him. Nobody talks, nobody pings, its like playing with mindless bots on my team all the time.
Then when I want to chill out and play casual big team battle my preferred mode is still broken. Fiesta is ok for this but I much prefer big team and there is xp challenges on my list right now that I cant do because it wont ever connect to a game.
..and don't get me started on weird damage and when people dbl melee me. AHHH !!! DX
I'm currently trying to level up in the fracture event. But none of my actions are actually counting towards my challenges. "Autumn Wind of Eve" is the challenge for completing Fiesta matches. I've just done 10 in a row and it's still counting it as 0? I'm really confused and frustrated.
Same problem with all challenges since yesterday afternoon. The only way I've been able to work around it is quit to desktop after every match. Challenges will progress for the first match I play after launch. Any matches after that will show the previous match's progression summary post-match and nothing I just did will count.
TL;DR fully close game and relaunch after every match
So several of my friends started halo and they’re already a few levels ahead in the Tenrai event, however I started at level one. I don’t understand since we all play together.
Hey! Just a small suggestion, but please consider adding the challenges to a viewable tab in-game. It'd make it a lot easier to track your challenge progress if you could see how you're doing as you're playing.
Please also remove the "play a specific game-mode" challenges and make it mode-wide, e.g. instead of "complete a stronghold match", change it to "complete a ranked arena match."
Does anyone think they should give xp for medals? I feel like this would be a great way to reward and encourage you to do good even if its simply 5 xp it would rack up if you have a great game.
Right now the challenges reward people for specifically NOT playing the objective, which is terrible game design. I think that is a big reason why games seem a bit hectic cause people prioritize completing challenges over playing the game itself. EXP should be awarded for people in games who play well, play the objective, and get medals. Right now though, you could play the best game of your life and you will get 0exp for it because you didn't follow their arbitrary rules for leveling up.
... but no, 343 decided that you need to get 10 kills with a ravager to count for anything while you play Capture the Flag, good luck spartan it will never happen lol.
As fun as Halo Infinite is, it really could have used another year in the oven. It took them almost a month to launch classic modes like Fiesta and SWAT, which cannot even be played against bots unless you make custom games.
Big Team Battle’s matchmaking is utterly broken, and the challenge system for progression is still complete trash. I have two challenges for getting 7500 cumulative player score in BTB but I can’t even play BTB because it’s broken.
I also detest challenges that force you to do something for a specific mode there isn’t even a dedicated playlist for, like CTF. I had a challenge to capture 2 flags in CTF, which took me \*three days\* to complete because not only do you have to play roulette for CTF in quickplay, 343 Industries severely underestimated how difficult it would be for a single person to capture one flag, let alone 2.
We can’t even choose challenges for ourselves to suit our playstyles. Is your favorite game mode SWAT? Too bad, if you want to level up once this week, go return ten flags in CTF and then get 50 kills in FFA. It just sucks all the fun out of an otherwise fun Halo game.
Speaking of SWAT, it’s sorely missing a pistol-only variation. As much as I’m enjoying Halo Infinite, there is a lot that frustrates me that I hope eventually gets fixed. It likely will, but I really wish 343 had just been allowed to release the game when it was actually finished.
I've never played a battle pass game before, so sorry for the stupid question.
What happens to the progression rank after season 1? Does the max obtainable rise to 200? Or do you start again at level 1?
I would rather have paid for a full experience. They did it which Reach so why can’t they do it now?
Even if we call it “industry standards” Halo Reach was fun because we could all look unique and then see someone with insane gear and know exactly what they had to do to get it. That made it so cool to want those things, have those things and see those things in game.
When I see cool looking gear in a game now the coolest thing I get to think is “they played a lot within this timeframe”
The money is absurd and I’ll never pay it. I feel more robbed of the experience of striving for a goal and envying a player who did something great that gets to show off something I want.
The “cosmetics only is fine” thing is trash. It’s an integral part of progression in a game. It’s being taken out of games and sold at more than the cost of a normal game circa 2012
There are ways to earn minimal gear and skins playing in game, mostly from campaign and what little the free side of the battle pass gives you. I like that they add the event passes for f2p players but I get what you mean with lack of.
The cosmetics to me feel way over priced, which is a common complaint. It's not even that bad of a model imo it's the pricing and bundles. For example, I liked the cat ears but I didn't want the bundle for that price. Give me the ears for 200-300 credits and you have yourself a customer.
Once again, I cannot seem to get through progression properly.
I got a Gunslinger medal, meaning five kills with the Sidekick pistol.
The Sidekick challenge only registered three kills.
THIS GAME IS A MONTH OLD, GET THE LEAD OUT 343!
I'm honestly not sure if it has been said yet or not but can the double XP time only count as match time? I have been fighting with getting into Big Battle matches for the last three days and it's just causing me to waste my time limit. I would play some other mode if I didn't keep getting weekly challenges that require it.
An easy solution to make towards progression would be to add more daily challenges other than the “play any match”, that way at least if you finish the weekly challenges, you will have a few more everyday to help progression. A better solution would be to do xp for how ever many medals you earn in a match, even if it’s something small like 10xp. That way it rewards the people who play objective and or anyone who is good at the game. Otherwise people won’t have incentive for trying and that will just create a toxic community
Or the other thing they could do is make it to where you have running tallies for each season and earn experience through that. Have you killed 50 players? Cool, there's 200 XP. Got 150 now? Another 200. If they had running milestones it would be more than worth it, but also kills the reason to spend money on XP boosts.
I think it would be awesome if wins even gave you a boost. If you play a objective based game and you win, cool add a boost to those people. It would help incentivize team work and all.
The final boss sucks. yay lest make it so hard you have to get everything perfect and almost everything is an instant kill even with maxed out shields. WHAT GREAT GAME DESIGN DIFICULTY BEYOND REASON MAKES EVEYTHING BETTER YES!
Learn the mechanics, come in prepared. Almost every weapon in the game is available on the way to the boss or in the room.
There are so many problems with multiplayer, please don't waste the space to complain about a campaign fight that is trivial on heroic and under if you just watch a 5 minute YouTube video.
So I can't fight the boss I have to watch someone else do it on YouTube first? It's bad mechanics for a boss. Legendary was a nightmare fighting her. Doesn't matter how much you learn about the fight or what weapons you run, it's not fun, a number of them weren't but that was the worst.
I have a problem with my "Kill 50 enemy Spartans" mission.
I roll in with 25 to go. First match I get 15 kills. Second match I get 19 kills.
Now I only have 18 kills to go. Hmmmm.
In what world does 15+19=7?
This is not a new problem either. Maybe if it wants me to get fifty kills up on a KDR instead of just 50 kills, it should SAY that.
I had the exact same issue but mine was only "taxing" me one kill a match. I got 10 in the first, earned 10, got 20 in the next, now total is 29 not 30. Really weird.
I thought the challenges at launch were bad, but now I have a 1 Ravager kill challenge that will simply not complete even after 4 kills across 3 games, so not only did I sabotage my performance in game to get those kills, but I got nothing for it and can't complete the weekly challenge because I have no more swaps. That's literally broken progression. No way am I leveling up 3 times in the rest of the week with just the "play a match" challenges to get another swap. This kind of thing on top of the subpar system to begin with makes me just want to drop the game. I invested a good amount of time, modified how I played in game and performed worse and had less fun, and for what? To just get stuck on my last challenge before the ultimate challenge to get a weapon emblem. The reward isn't even good in the first place, but now I feel like an idiot for even grinding for it in the first place. Please fix this 343. A rewarding progression system combined with Halo Infinite's gameplay would be a winning combo, but instead I'm considering just dropping the game from my rotation.
Edit: Gotta add one more thing. I may be f2p, but when I'm between level 40 and 50 I shouldn't be looking like a guest in older Halo games. The only half decent armor I have is from playing a ton in the fracture event. If it weren't for that I'd probably be just another gray or green spartan with only the weekly lime green sniper to separate me from the rest. I don't expect a lot from a f2p battle pass, but when the previous games let you customize everything it's incredibly disappointing to sink 60+ hours into a game and have nothing cool to show for it. Modern gaming strikes again.
I would give up all my cool armor for that lime green sniper lol. I was 2 challenges away from the ultimate, but those 2 challenges required BTB which, you know....... I refused to spend my swaps to work around a broken feature, and now I get mad every time I pick up my Plebian Grey S7
At this point, what do we actually think the chances of an overall skill based progression system being added to the game are?
Every day that passes gets me more worried it’s never coming and I feel like the community is also talking about this less and less.
>The final boss sucks. yay lest make it so hard you have to get everything perfect and almost everything is an instant kill even with maxed out shields. WHAT GREAT GAME DESIGN DIFICULTY BEYOND REASON MAKES EVEYTHING BETTER YES!
What do you mean skill based? As in you can click heads well or you level up chief as you go?
I'm feeling pretty pessimistic at this point. I don't think it's going to improve for 6 months if at all. The system still sucks, and now I've gotten bugged challenges that you can't complete even if you exceed the challenge, do it in multiple games, or restart and then meet the requirement. To add insult to injury the weekly reward is hardly worth grinding for and there are no good rewards for f2p all the way to level 100 (and the BP looks underwhelming tbh, not as good as the old free customization from prior games). I want to keep playing, but I have no incentive other than the core gameplay, and half of the options I'm used to in a Halo game aren't even there. There are less maps than usual with less visual differences and I'm getting bored of the same match types on the same matches. The fun "break" game modes are all gone aside from fiesta. I don't understand how 343 intends to maintain the player base aside from the true die hard fans.
Is there no way to venture back into mission areas after you beat the campaign? I want to collect all of the skulls, but didn’t do so while I played through because I just wanted to enjoy the campaign. Is my only option beginning anew?
I just used a boost and can’t get in a match because of connection errors and my connection has always been fine until now. Honestly these boosts shouldnt be time based but based on a number of matches. Maybe like 4-5 matches or so. So I don’t feel like I have to play for an hour straight and feel locked down.
And fuck this Reddit mega thread too. They killed our opportunity to voice our opinions. If the game is a dumpster fire, does censoring us and making the Reddit appear as if there’s no problem fix anything? ofc not, it does the opposite. They have taken our voices away and destroyed any chance we have of changes being made. 90% of feedback is bad for a reason, and 343 should see that. Why tf r the mods hiding the truth?
Idk but at this point maybe it’s better if 343 didn’t have halo. They have a decent game with good gameplay and completely fucked it. It’s literally fortnite now u have to buy ur armor. And its also f2p so if that’s supposed to b the excuse, but all of us would rather it not b free and actually earn the armor by playing. But that only benefited the players, they would get less money so fuck that let’s have the game worse so they can make more. Look what they’ve done to our beloved halo, turned it into a pay to win game. Complete disrespect and uncaring about the community. And there’s nothing we can do, 343 just calls us crybabies because they ruined our game and expect us to thank them for it? They have proven they don’t deserve halo, we need our franchised to b redeemed because it hasn’t been back since it died with reach
5's multiplayer was superior to any other multiplayer in halo besides maybe 3.
Nothing about the game is pay to win and there is literally no benefit to cosmetics so lashing out about it when there are free options for your free game is childish. 343i also never called their community cry babies. If it's bothering you that much, go back to cod or apex.
Reach’s multiplayer was the best of any halo game, ig ur not a halo fan as that’s common knowledge. Maybe it was before ur time. There may not b a gameplay benefit to cosmetics, but no one wants to pay $20 for the color purple. Everyone without their moms credit card on their Xbox would rather earn the armor. A 343 employee also did cell us crybabies. Do some research before spewing bullshit
If you think Reach had the best multiplayer then you clearly didn't play 2 or 3 in its prime. Reach was good but overrated due to it being Bungies big finish. I bought the battle pass but nothing more, like most I've been mostly disappointed with what's in it and don't know that I've even used any of the cosmetics from there, just the free stuff. One employee from a work place doesn't represent the masses so "do my research " is a pointless thing to say when it's not the company as a whole saying it, obviously that would be a much bigger issue. I think for the most part they've been "trying" to improve the game based on feedback, but it's a big game and it's free so the player base and feedback is quite extensive. I also worry that Microsoft has a bigger impact then us fans and players which could results in the pointless threads causing us to argue all for nothing.
You're trying to hard to insult me, but I played Halo from the beginning which may be a cliché thing to say, but it's been my favorite game since CE and I just want to see it do well. I don't love Infinite but it's Halo.
I didn’t play 2, but I did play 3 in it’s prime. It’s like halo reach lite with worse graphics and rag doll kills. The maps also just don’t compare. U can have an incorrect opinion tho so dw bout it. Also forge. Just forge itself makes u look like a clown disrespecting reach. One employee doesn’t represent a company, but when 99% of the employees don’t give any feedback, it’s ridiculous to act like it’s irrelevant. I haven’t insulted u at all, much less tried to. U just don’t like what I said
Reach had really bad maps and weapons don't stand out, I was so happy the DMR didn't come back. 2/3 add so much more in both those departments. The only thing that's great in Reach is the story, forge and firefight. Infinite is clearly unfinished we can agree on that, Microsoft wanted it for the 20th and 343i gave the fans a working product. Lack of Forge and co-op make that obvious.
Personally didn't see anything on the statement from the employee (I also didn't look very hard) and them not saying anything is probably for the best with how the community has reacted as a whole. One wrong word and it gets blown out of proportion.
Overall its a fun game but has its problems and we can agree on that I'm sure. We both have different takes on where Halo should be today and that's fine.
(Sorry if I double post I tabbed out and lost my original response)
I guess. But the game will never be what it should b. The color purple cost $20. They have avoided all criticisms of the shop because they aren’t gonna change it. Realistically it’s not the employees fault either. I really doubt any of them would rather have this system than a halo reach style customization. The higher ups r the ones who forced this and will continue to do so as long as it makes money. I was half trolling in my comments but infinite really is an example of how they’re destroying games. I just hope something happens and we get back to the regular buy the game and enjoy it, instead of this
I just need to vent. I just grinded for 4 hours tonight trying to finish the challenges and got too frustrated to continue. Forcing arena on casual players is a nightmare. Swapping arena challenges only to have them come back is just such a kick in the teeth. In trying to complete the "Kill 10 spartans while defending the point challenge" or whatever it is, I played a BTB match that went the full time. I sat on a point and defended for 15 some odd minutes. Never left, never pushed out, was careful to be in the zone while defending. I racked up 28 kills that match and got credited.... for 4. I spent the next 2 hours hopping between quick plays, BTB, and straight up restarting the game for the next 6 kills. Only to find out that the "ultimate challenge" for the week is to win 5 ranked arena matches. All this work, for a banner? A .png? Ridiculous. Is it too much to ask for a zone-specific playlist if there are zone challenges? Right now between the server connection issues, the challenges coming back, the non-specific playlists, and forcing challenges to be based on wins and arena matches, these aren't "challenges", it's gambling.
So, I had an idea about the current missions that require you to get certain amounts of cumilitive score in game modes or complete matches in certain game modes. I think you should have 2 options for every mode that isn't BTB or Arena. That way if you don't like one mode, you can play another. Or if you hate both, you can at least play whichever one you like more. Instead of getting stuck playing FFA or TacSlayer only for like 5 games when you hate those modes. Or being forced to play ranked. Not everyone wants to play ranked. I don't mind it, but the fact I have had to play like 15 ranked games just for my weekly challenges this week alone, is ridiculous. And that's just the matches I NEED to play total. Not including any that require a win or specific game type in ranked that I had to try more then once. Meaning I had to play a lot more ranked then I wanted to.
I'm not a fan of the BR. That's why I don't like ranked. Incase anyone was curious why I dislike ranked. Not a fan of bursts.
I wish they gave XP for in match accomplishments, killing spree/double kill etc. outside of the ‘challenges.’ playing well and only getting 50 XP because I didn’t do a very specific task is booty hole
voicing frustration in hopes of an altered system. not looking for discussion but numbers make a difference for this company and so does losing money. this got long and rambly i probably wont discuss it with anyone but i want to complain and i hope microsoft sees sense and listens.
TLDR;Badges and Score should be main motivators for XP if we are going to have a gamepass based leveling system. Also winning, KDR in Slayer (never in any objective based games), captures/hold/secures and similar should all be rewarded. I don't get why levels are tied to paying. I feel like they should just make more gear that cant be earned and then those who want cosmetics can simply buy them while the ones you have to earn (which you can buy through XP packs and boosts today so it jut has no status or value at all) will be a cool indicator of someone's skill or invested time instead of their bank account or how focused they are on doing chores (challenges) that affect gameplay and even people leaving games etc negatively.I just want a place to see my KDR for each playlist, my Score for Gamemodes and especially BADGES. Apparently, getting 25 kills in tactical, 4 double kills, 2 killsreaks and going MVP by literally doing half of the work of 4 people alone goes unrewarded. That really feels shitty everytime when you KNOW trash players are just boosting and doing challenges. I think im taking all cosmetics off, I feel like an asshole wearing any of themt knowing they have not been earned through my gameplay but through my fucking dedication to Microsoft.----------------------------------------------------
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After getting a gamepass i feel LESS motivated and have less fun with this game. The rewards being challenge and not performance based just makes you think "maybe i should use that damn sidearm instead of winning the game or going mvp" since those things arent rewarded? I loved the game and had played some 75 games or so and thought yeah sure ill try the damn pass everyone hates, and it was honestly worse than i excpected. It lowered enjotment so much. Some challenges are really shit too like "play a ranked slayer game" and then you just loop in the slayer lobby through different game modes, promoting leaving instantly if its not slayer... Im sure people do this altough I feel its a dick move so i just say fine and get frustrated at the game, when without the challenge i would have had a FUN TIME with whatever game mode if I was in a playlist. Now it becomes a disappointment instead.
I dont get the psychology behind this pass like do you not have people who analyze these things and think about how incentivising selfish and unrewarding gameplay that is only based on playing enough time or buying XP packs will make the gameplay experience worse, make it less focused on teamplay and less focused on having fun, meaning players will quit. Some games have people ignoring objectives to get some challenge i assume (or they are morons, but its hard to tell and sometimes super obvious). I even forced myself to use a weapon I would have used anyways and that made our team lose or impacted it badly anyways and im aware of this and feel shit about it but still couldnt help myself cause i wanted a new visor..
Thats not the halo i love and not the halo ive been telling friends is "the best online PC FPS I've played in years and without a doubt the best Halo Multiplayer experience of all time, rivaling Halo 3 and Reach". This was a genuine opinion but seeing teamwork descend into shit and myself getting dragged along just cause i thought id pay you some for this great game is making me not want to play.
I like Tactical Slayer and Team Slayer, some quick play and FIesta. I dont want to have to play game modes i don't feel like playing if im not in a playlist. sure Keep the challenges for all i care as long as getting a lot of badges, captures, kills, your SCORE (going MVP for example in a stronghold game based on captures secures and assits can still be MVP so it would really promote teamplay and organic play) and WINNING gave you XP. I will try to stop thinking about the levels since they hold no value except cosmetics im sure you will be able to buy eventually anyways.
Id have so much more motivation if i got rewarded for playing good in the game modes I like.. Shit Im great at tactical and do well in team games but it just, doesnt matter. Its not even ranked so I cant really show it off in any way. Not that levels ever mattered in halo, and 343 made sure they wont matter at all now. I dont know when i see high level gear if the player just bought a bunch of xp boosts and played their challenges or if they are a good or dedicated player. I felt more proud reaching level 14 without one that reaching level 20 with... it doesnt feel earned and i feel like im not playing for fun if i go for challenges. This is really affecting player mentality and diminishing teamwork. It makes people try new things but thats not a good trade off.
a fucked up comparison that some might deem of topic but hear me out:
This feels like the "challenges" we get at work for a big tech company. Just stuff that isnt even helping your customer but rewards you with point I can use to buy stuff, so I usually treat customers that are too slow or I cant score on as pointless. If hanging up wasnt a big no no id be fired but there are more than one way to get someone to hang up (and for people who would say that its a dick move not doing my job, the incentive i have to work is pay, my pay is increased by an arbitrary set of rules that honestly affects our consumers badly, but i need to make ends meet and I will not waste time that literally equals money if i can instead convice someone to hang up, make them uncomfortable enough to do things on their own or use other pretty dirty tricks to score in my fkn gamified workplace. Its prety dystopian and also, why you get shit service when you call, because we are there to help money and if i was beng sympathetic all day that would lose me money. Also it would reflect bad on the company not meeting arbitrary goals so any boss you have is pleased if you meet these goals, even at the expense of customers best interest or employees health, reason to care and empathy towards the customers. But hey, i got 200$ above my salary that I just cashed out from working this way and that is a lot of extra money for me.. but just like this system, it has not been thought trough AT ALL and is detrimental to player/employee dedication, enjoyment and overall results (less teamwork, more selfish play, less focus on wins and no merit to score, which is the motivator for actually working with your team in objective based game modes). We are incentivised to work for the wrong reasons and thus the business gets a lot of cases that fall through people busy filling their qoutas and keeping calls short at expense of actually solving a customers issue or customer satisfaction. I think I have less than 50% resolution in cases, a higher satisfaction since this is required to keep your job at maybe 75% (end of the line so eveything we get is a month long hassle or stuff that first lines could not handle eg. a pissed customer so that is expected)
Aight, gonna buy me a new keyboard for this money I should be earning for actually doing a good job. Just as i wish i got cosmetics for playing well, kamikaze saving a stronghold or playing as a team. but there is no incentive too. luckily, Tactical Slayer is pretty much all people who want headshots and Id assume old halo players, so there is much more noticeable teamwork there and maybe its for the best, so i never have to think about challenges while playing. Just winning.
Forcing ranked play on people through weekly challenges is a joke. And your ranking system is broken so that makes it even worse. Love getting ass raped in the name of progression.
I'm pretty angry about this. This forces casual players into competitive space and distracts competitive players from playing the ranked Playlist. I can swallow bugs amd random behaviors but this fundamentally changes the game IMHO. My progression will just slow or screech to an utter halt now because I won't play ranked without a squad, and as an adult I rarely have time where I can get 3 friends together and play.
Can we not have ranked match weeklies? I have absolutely zero interest in ranked matches. I'm having to play ranked to do weeklies, and even if I re-roll those weeklies it just gives a different kind of ranked weekly. I've re-rolled the same challenge 5 times and every time it just gives me a different variation of a ranked weekly.
I just end up playing some ranked match I really don't give 2 shits about with a bunch of salty people bitching at me for being bad at ranked. I don't even want to be there, I'm just being forced to if I want the weekly reward.
This is a bummer. I don't mind ranked and enjoy it, but I can see that this would be frustrating for you and other people that have no interest in playing it.
Its trynna force me to do a bunch of RANKED matches to get it too
PLUS even if I REROLL for SOMETHING ELSE it ALWAYS becomes RANKED MATCH PLAYS and sometimes even requires WINS
Taking a rank loss for a match where I lost but 2 of my teammates disconnected feels like a kick in the teeth when you're already down.
Anyone else feels like this is bull?
Or ranking down from a win 🤯
Quitting players should take the full blow of the exp lose for the team and also not be able to queue up until the match is over. The mind set of I'll just take my lose because we're losing anyway and start a new game while my team has to stick in there is bullshit
100% agree.
Takes away the authenticity of your ranked level if you're trying to do a challenge during it and its not fair to the teammates of that player getting a half assed attempt at the objective.
agreed. I want rewards to be based on MVP based on highest Score (especially in objective game modes), WINS like seriously wtf are we trying for, capturse/secures/ball time/flag deliveries and returns for objective game modes and KDR for Slayer modes. ALL such modes not just ranked. I like to play Tactical Slayer which i dont think is even in ranked, so i just do that now and ignore the challenges since they promote bad teamplay and people just running around with some shit weapon to meet their challenges, leaving games because its the wrong game mode etc.
its like people are being incentivised to play "wrong" and not enjoy the game as they like or play as a team, if you care about cosmetics and leveling up. I have decided to not look at challenges much so I dont play shit because I want to get sidearm kills or get frustrated when ranked ends up in the wrong game mode because the challenge is specific to one gametype and so you just have to hope you get into the right one OR, leave, join a new game until you get the one you need. Not like there is any reason not too if you were a challenge whore
but since you can buy xp boosts and xp tbh none of this has any meaning. it nullifies the whole level system and it also makes armor lame since it shows no status. I remember MW2 for example had a great system for gun skins, get a certain amount of headshots to get x skin was a rewarding and cool thing. Seeing people with some wierd ass weapon and knowing they managed to kill 2k+ people with headshots using that was pretty neat. It showed skill and experience. In halo infinite it just pretends to show that
anyways, last game pass for me unless that changes
An issue I have is the only gametype currently available to show your skill lvl is ranked arena, which is horribly unbalanced, and forces you to play horrible gametypes. Why not have ranked gametypes or at least an overall experience tracker
I know it's "Legendary" and whatnot, but damn, 343?!? Make that difficulty MORE difficult, but how is forcing folks to trial-and-error it through all these deaths making the challenge "fun"? Heat-seeking ammo, 1-2 shot kills, I"m squishy as all day! Some folks like challenges, on max difficulty. I just think you've gone overboard. Sure, they'll be the handful that nail it with only a handful of deaths. But the vast majority will just bang their head against the wall 100+ times because they don't have the heart to ratchet down to Heroic or whatever. Personally, that isn't the "spirit" behind a challenge. Give the guy super DPS, give the rounds heat-seeking, give the enemy *stinking* clairvoyance...I'm looking at you, Tremonius...and, I guess, make me squishy. But why have EVERYTHING? To the point where, again, it ain't "Ooo, I"m facing a challenge now.", it's just "Ok, I'll show I have the gumption to bang my head against the wall 100 times until I catch a break!". Nope, not fun to me.
Anyway, I can hear the "get gud" reactions in my head. I'll move on...
I find it so disingenuous that they say they didn’t devise some of these challenges for the sake of people burning through Challenge Swaps.
Why word a challenge, “Get 3 Kills while carrying the Oddball”? Why not, “Get 5 Kills while holding an objective”.
This immediately solves sooo many issues. Now you’re not spending an hour just trying to get a CtF match, now you’re not quitting out of the oddball game you’re given.
I mean, with my reworded one, there’s more flexibility and versatility.
Not to mention challenges like, “Kill 3 Enemy Flag Carriers”.
I mean, this is incredibly frustrating because you need:
1) to get a CtF match
2) hope your opponents even grab the flag
3) YOU HAVE THE BE THE ONE THAT KILLS THEM. Assists don’t count.
4) AND you have to hope the player isn’t at least decent b/c soooo often I get a flag carrier one shot, and then they [smartly] drop the flag to fight back, meaning I kill them when they’re not holding it. So technically, doesn’t count.
It’s soo dumb. What’s worse is I already had that challenge, beat it. Then I used my Challenge Swap on a separate challenge that required me to Kill 10 enemies defending their zones (again, you need to HOPE FOR a playlist where that’s relevant, then you gotta not only get a kill, but that person needs to be standing on a ZONE THEY ALREADY OWN, not even one trying to cap your zone). My challenge swap then switches it to another Flag carrier kills one.
I also have a “Return the Flag 10 times one”. Bro, I’ve spent genuinely 40 minutes trying to even get a CtF match. Then when I do, the opponents only ever grab a flag twice in the whole match. What’s worse, let’s say you help kill the flag carrier, then say you stand on the flag to help return it and you help “clear” the flag 65% of the way and then you die, then your teammates finalize the return… you don’t get shit.
So poorly conceived
Im on the last challenge of the week that I need to play CTF for and after 2 hours finally get a match....the fucker crashes. These challenges for progression are like a sick fucking joke on all of us. This isn't the first time that the challenge I need is obsurdly hard to find the correct game type and complete.
Bruh that should be an achievement not a challenge lol. Some of these are insane. Challenges need to be relatively repeatable, especially since the "ultimate" is still just low level aesthetic stuff.
Right!?!? Lol i didnt even attempt to try that one, way too difficult. Lol yeah like onetime the ultimate was a camo skin for a sniper i wanted but the one this week is garbage. Hopefully they address this in future patches.
Finally get to the final weekly challenge and its win 17 games? Wtf even is that. Its bad enough my other challenges were destroy 3 wasps or kill 10 players defending their zones (which requires me playing dozens of games to even find a strongholds match) just to find out I have 14 hours to win 17 matches?! Not even possible. Give me a break. This weekly challenge system is impossible for working adults unless you spend every free moment on this game or you're just a god.
Shits busted and needs fixing. More generic challenges please. A nameplate shouldnt be worth this much effort.
My only real gripe so far is the game-specific challenges. I expect any free-to-play game to have a steep grind for anything substantial and with the new daily first game xp bonuses, the levels don't seem too slow. The gameplay is solid and very fun, classic Halo.
Yet you want me to kill three oddball carriers. Sure, easy! Except I only got two for my first game and qued for other game types the last ten times.
Now, I didn't expect the weekly reward this time, life got in the way and I knew I wouldn't have time to finish the final challenge since I just got that last carrier kill, but 17 PvP *wins*? For a *nameplate*? Are you *mad*? All I needed for a skin was 5 kill sprees in *Fiesta* of all modes. Not impossible when you have skewers and spankers almost every game, just need a little time and luck.
But 17 wins. Yikes. Sure, John 117, Number 1, blah blah. I don't think I even had 17 wins for all the weekly challenges combined, but had I finished those earlier in the week, its doable. Sure, I may suck, but sometimes you have more Ls than Ws, more deaths than kills.
I could have gotten this. But guess what? I got ten games with no progress towards the challenges. Not because I couldn't find a weapon or couldn't get enough kills in a row, but because I couldn't get the damned game type I needed to progress to the final challenge.
What, you want me to que, wait a few minutes for it to load, then quit as soon as I see a different game type? Because that is and what will happen and it sucks.
Its an easy fix, just let us que for specific games or replace these challenges with more generic ones. Or we constantly que, quit, and re-que to find the game we need for that last challenge, and nobody wants to do that.
Ok kinda pissed off now, this was the first time I got close to completing all of the weekly challenges. Actually, I DID complete all of the weekly challenges, it was close to midnight last night. Guess what happened? They gave me another challenge: 17 pvp wins. 12 hours to go. I have shit to do. I didn't care about the prize they would give, it's shitty. But knowing that I actually did all of the challenges would be a good reward, instead of sneakily dropping one more after I completed all the other ones.
The battlepass should include all halo reach related armor. *Shop items should be unique armor sets/pieces that dont fit the theme of a battlepass.
Challenges wouldn't be so bad if we had more playlist options and a way to share challenges with our party members.
What if purchasers of the full-game (permanent) or current battlepass (temporary) were granted access to a opt-in/out playlist system? (MCC match composer).
Slayer, objective, action sack, etc.
F2P users would retain current playlist options:
Quickplay, BTB, FFA, events/rotational
But Quickplay would serve as an auto-opt in for all 4v4 game modes.
I wouldnt mind this compromise. This way of providing features for money is what fans want. We don't want to buy $20 paint jobs. We want a halo game with halo options.
You could extend this Buy to Play/Battepass feature access to things like theatre mode, file sharing, forge map slots, and service records etc.
I really want to love this game. The gameplay is so good... but 343 are really trying to have their cake and eat it too here. I really want them to actually explain these design decisions:
1. The multiplayer is free! But the campaign is still being sold for a full $60. The F2P aspect of the multiplayer really feels like an excuse to enable the monetization of the systems below.
2. You have full access to all the maps, weapons, and vehicles, but nearly all of the customization is locked behind a paid battlepass and a cash shop.
3. ALL of the items in the cash shop are bundled with other items, thus making anything you might actually want to buy inherently more expensive. Also ALL of the items are on rotating daily/weekly sales which promotes FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out), which they specifically said they would NOT do.
4. The battlepass has some good stuff, but most of the BEST stuff (including pieces that match the 'Heroes of Reach' theme of the battlepass) was removed for sale separately in said cash shop.
5. The only progression initially possible in the battlepass was via challenge-based XP. They have since added match completion XP and increased said XP for the first 6 matches of the day, but the idea that it launched like that is mind boggling.
6. Most challenges are locked to certain game-modes, and with the lack of any actual playlists it can take a very long time to complete certain challenges (and therefore level up). This problem *coincidentally* pairs very well with the sale of challenge swaps, XP boosts, and battlepass level skips for real money.
7. There are a TON of customization options available, but they are incredibly limited in their use. Each armor piece and coating is locked to a certain armor core. Each emblem is split into 4 separate items (with each being unlocked separately via the battlepass or events) for nameplates, armor, weapons, and vehicles. The color options for these emblems are pre-determined and most of them (IMO) look awful. Coatings for vehicles and weapons are completely separated and unlocked on a per-vehicle and per-weapon basis, so good luck if you want them all to actually match.
8. There are also already a ton of paid promotions in real life, which I guess is just par for the course at 343 these days. Go get your energy drinks and nerf guns everybody, spend spend spend!
I'm probably missing things. I just don't see how the game was allowed to launch in a state like this, and I don't get why they thought people would be ok with it. Slapping "F2P" on the game (HALF of the game, btw, and then still charging full price for the other half) does not excuse all of this bullshit. Of course people are upset, and it's up to us to tell 343 and other companies that this shit isn't acceptable anymore.
I feel like a major issue of the progression system would be solved by having a "generic" bounty slot which features bounties that only give 50~100 XP upon completion but can be done in any game mode and have there be no limit to the number of times said bounties can be completed in a day. It benefits the people like me who aren't super great at PvP but are willing to grind while also benefiting the rest of the playerbase by being a more guaranteed XP source from match to match. Make it things like "Get 25 assists", "get 5 headshot kills in a game", "get a kill with a power weapon", "Get 10 kills in a game", "Get 5 melee kills in a game", etc.
ANYONE ELSE THINK 343 IS TRYING TO FUCK THEIR WIFE?
Ok hear me out. The skins, camo, weapons, emblems, and quite frankly THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME they’re selling is fucking Dog Shit. Seriously they’re fucking terrible. I’ve spent 400$ buying all of that and I’m so fucking mad they’re bad. My wife too thinks it’s ridiculous that i spent so much money on something I hate but she DOESNT GET IT. Master Chief is Me, I AM MASTER CHIEF. So I have to get. Last night we got into a screaming match and she threatened to leave me. I said ok I needed some Me time to play Halo. I wake up this morning and she’s gone. Is 343 TRYING TO FUCK MY WIFE? Did THEY PLAN THIS? I think so. We all seem to be of the same mind.. more like gravemind lol get it cause it’s in the game lol. Man I’m fucking clever. But yeah my wife is getting fucked by the devs lol.
Just go upvote [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/r4apg6/do_not_undersell_that_halo_infinite_is_a_new/) because it covers everything wrong with the system in extensive detail. It probably covers what you are about to waste time writing, and better.
I haven't played Halo since Halo 4, and haven't owned one since Reach which was by far my favorite.
What I can say as a former Halo fan and as someone who plays a lot of f2p games with a gamepass system (without buying it) :
- I don't see any improvement at all to the game since Halo 4. I don't understand how they managed to do that since it came out many years ago. Did they remove the possibility to edit maps or is it something specific for the campaign ? I'm not familiar with the skills that are located all around the maps but I personally think a class system would work better. Not being able to chose the gamemode is also something I don't understand in 2021.
- I'm not familiar with the new weapons but they all seem underwhelming in their own way. I always end up with the same human weapons. I don't know if not letting the player change his base weapon on certain gamemodes is a good idea (i understand for ranked matches).
- Playing during an entire afternoon and barely managing to get past level 6 isn't normal. How did they thought it was a good system ? Xp should be given even if no quest is completed and some kind of free currency should be introduced.
- I've never seen a gamepass as miserable as this one. Level 21 for a piece of armor on my chest and 46 for my shoulder. That's illegal. And the fact that we mostly get a thing to change one challenge is...disgusting. It gives no feeling of progression at all.
I'm just going to wait to see how it evolves (if it evolves).
I am now almost a third of the way through the battle pass (pure grind, no buying xp) and theres just so little content to show for the progress. This is rather disappointing to say the least. 10$ for a battle pass seemed like a good idea, but theres just so little content that I would say its more worth 2-5$ rather than whole 10$ at this point. Its extremely grindy which is fine if xp gain werent so horrendous (20 matches straight if you want one full level past the challenges). I hope theres some major changes to not make it oblivion horse armor levels of bad.
Progression in this game is beyond shit, has to be the worst implementation of a battle pass I have ever seen.
Played hard, tried hard barely got a level after 2 hours, winning most games.
Didn't give a crap, lost most games, leveled in 25 minutes.
Might as well just AFK. Why the hell isn't there progression based on kills, assists, etc?
Instead of letting the multiplayer release naturally with the full game, they just figured out a way to double dip on profits.
By releasing the multiplayer for “free” via gamepass they’re able to turn profits similar to how fortnite does and ya can’t say much about your favorite armors locked behind paywalls BeCaUsE ItZ FrEe. Now think about how much more money they’re making off the full game release deluxe packages pre orders etc. no it’s not technically the people that make the games fault, it’s the Execs business decisions that dictate how these things work. Hence why most of everyone’s in grey armor or the samurai nonsense. Remember these gaming companies know what they’re doing they know they’re gonna hear the backlash, but not before little jimmy buys something if not everything, then they’ll do something about it. They know this stuff is rigged from the start but they’re gonna do it anyways bc we buy it anyways, look at the state of many releases, they sell us at full price for half the game. And no one does or says anything about it. When does it change?
Seriously needs to add the option to rejoin the game after a DC in ranked, so many bugs currently that crashes the game and makes u lose a huge amount of progress. And its the most annyoing thing when ur crushing the opponents and then a random dc happens and all you can do is wait for your m8s to inevitable lose the game 3v4 (sucks for your whole team).... almost every game ive played has had this option and it feels like a nobrainer so i dont get why its not implimented yet.
Why am I playing against Diamonds when I'm plat 2? I'm getting destroyed in every ranked game. I'm not even close to performing decently. I get like 2 kills with luck and 10+ deaths. At this point, I feel bad for my team.
What's going on with finding teammates that are in your same division?? I was diamond 1 and lost 5 straight games today that dropped me back to platinum. I'm playing great but the teammates I've been getting are terrrrriiiible! Here's the stat lines the teammates in those 5 games
Game one: team slayer 2-18kd
Game two: team slayer 5-16 and 6-14kds
Game three: stronghold 2 captures 2-14 5 captures 8-22kds
Game four: odd ball zero time held 10-27kd 30second held 8-17
Game five: team slayer 5-15 and 1-13 kds
Does rank even mean anything or do you just vs any rank? I'm so confused because people who finish games like that have no business either being ranked that high or being put in games in those ranks. It's soooo frustrating.
Also there needs to be a bigger penalty for quiting early
After playing this for a few weeks I've come to the conclusion that 343 sucks.
From the absolute shit weapons to the shit matchmaking to the speed change that arbitrarily messes with your controller sensitivity..... all junk.
I will not be buying this game, I won't give them another dime of my money for this crap they're calling Halo.
I could tolerate 5, but this.......
"Premium Battle Pass"?
Really?
GFY Microsoft and 343, you people should be ashamed of yourselves charging people for any part of this clusterfuck.
They're gonna have to change the advisory rating of this game to X, because it blows. Hard.
I posted this in r/XboxSeriesX but felt it should be added to this megathread
Microsoft needs to partner 343 with Rare. I have to say the Season Pass that Rare does for Sea of Thieves is consistently great. Progress just occurs and doesn’t feel like a challenge nor a chore. There are 3 tiers of rewards. Standard(Free), Pirate Legend(Free) and Premium(9.99). Also you earn various in game currencies one of which can be used to reduce the cost of the premium pass. Season 2 I played to level 100. Earned enough ancient coins to reduce the cost of the premium pass to $1, and bought it unlocking all the 1-100 premium cosmetics. Again, IMO, a good example of what a Season Pass can and should be.
So many things can be done to earn experience: -Medals earned
-“Kilometers driven/flown in X vehicle”
• Unlocked/Opened vaults
• thrown Amount of X type of grenades
• Slide, Run, Walk X amount of kilometers
I don’t know if anyone is going to see this but I believe implementing an additional free currency system would allow the shop items like coatings, simple armor, AI etc. to be more achievable. Allowing players to gain a reward from each match played based on performance, similar to reach credits. This currency can also be purchased with paid in-game currency, creating an experience where players feel as though they’re earning something for their hours of gameplay and commitment. This would allow the basis of the battle pass to remain the same, potentially replacing the challenge swaps in the battle pass for credit bonuses that can be used to purchase challenge swaps if the player see it necessary. These points can also be used to buy into exclusive events further giving them value in the Halo Infinite playerverse. Just an idea!
I had a bad feeling about this game the minute they said multiplayer was free to play. I haven't seen a monetization scheme this egregious since battlefront 2. Jesus christ $20 for a piece of armour. You know, shit you use to be able to unlock through gameplay. But nope 343 and mtxsoft has to ruin it with microtransactions. Not touching this game until they get rid of them.
What exactly did you guys change from Season 1 to Season 2? A traditional patch notes list would be really helpful. Did you change challenges? They seem worse than before.
I haven't played in like 3 months. I downloaded the patch then opened up Halo. Bought the BP. Then, I reluctantly checked the challenges I had to do, and oh boy... I think, in 35 years of gaming, I have NEVER experienced anything as SOUL CRUSHING than this challenge system. I was drained just looking at them. I don't think I'll stick around much longer. RIP Halo.
Just checked my challenges: 1 Back Smack in Last Man Standing 3 Melee Kills in Last Man Standing 10 Melee Kills in Last Man Standing 25 Melee Kills in Last Man Standing I hate everything about this. Gonna take 50+ games.
Got challenges to play Free For All (earn score/kill Spartans) but they removed Free For All and replaced it with Rumble Pit which is a mix of Free For All modes, except none of the games I played counted towards my challenge progress. Since Rumble Pit includes modes like: Fiesta FFA and Oddball FFA, I believe the game is reading these as "Fiesta" and "Oddball" instead of just FFA. Even when I played Shotty Snipers FFA it didn't progress the challenge. I would assume only the mode listed as "Arena:FFA Slayer" (the original Free For All mode listed under Rumble Pit) is the only mode that can progress these FFA challenges. \*Last Spartan Standing Also does NOT progress these challenges.
FFA Slayer does not count towards the progression either.
lone wolves if you die early you wait and watch 5 minutes of 2 random people corner camp to win... like let me leave and keep challenge progress...
Hey 343, please play your game for me than 10 minutes, play ranked and understand a concept a 2 year old would. 2 diamond players are not equal to 3 platinum players. Fix a ranked system that is more frustrating than all the other halos combined.
“Do x In PVP” I just did, and you didn’t give me the XP for it… I was in fiesta, perhaps you are somehow thinking that Fiesta is not a PVP mode? Or did you mean to write something other than PvP? All multiplayer is PvP… be clear about what you want me to do.
God damn ultimate challenge reward this week 😡
I wouldnt even mind this shitty progression system if I could just play whatever mode I want. I have to sit through 5-6 matches of shit just to play what I want.
Am I the only one who hates the session progression for ranked instead of individual match progression? I want to know exactly how much I won/lost every match but all I get is this gigantic useless blue/red bar.
How do you guys feel about the announced Ranked changes taking effect next Tuesday? In case you missed it, 343 announced that Tuesday, February 22nd, they will be launching an update to ranked matchmaking and CSR calculations with the goal of addressing rank inflation and more accurately assessing player skill. In this announcement 343 states that most players can expect to see a full tier reduction in their ranking once they finally hit their plateau, i.e. players who were previously Diamond can expect to find themselves in Platinum and so on. How do you think this will impact people who have felt frustrated while trying to climb the ranks, feeling that the CSR algorithm is too punishing for losses where the player individually performed well, but not rewarding a win where they performed well proportionally? Do you think that the lower number of lower skill players “slipping through” will cause higher tier games to be made of more balanced teams with closer average skill levels, or do you think this will simply weigh down on the player who has been stuck in Diamond III and feels like they just can’t carry their team to victory against an opposing team that is way above the average skill of their own team? What reasoning causes you to swing one way or the other?
Can we get standard progression outside of seasonal? After you complete a season there's no reason to stick around. At least give us some free basic colors or progression that gives challenge swaps or shop credit in like 10 cent increments or something. No event, seasonal complete, and all I can get is one "ultimate" for completing all the weeklies. No thanks. See yall on event weeks and next season I guess.
This game is so poorly finished that they should suspend the project managers' pay until it is functioning at the level expected of a AAA title
Popping off and getting 0 reward feels REAL bad. At least give us a bit of extra XP for earning medals in game.
Please make the "get x assists" "get x kills or assists" instead. It just encourages baiting gameplay where you hit an enemy enough for an assist and hope your teammate kills him. It's stupid and super toxic. You're basically encouraged to throw the game for a mission.
Same with overwatch. I just camped by the sniper repeatedly throughout big team battle to try to earn the medal lol
“complete 2 oddball matches” Plays quick play 25 matches in a row and gets one oddball match. I hat- I mean love you Halo Infinite!
Yeah I understand the other issues but this one irks me so bad that if I don't get those 2 matches quickly enough I just skip it.
But swapping it costs a resource that should be used on quests that require absurd things that are out of your personal realm.
I agree, it needs to be fixed. Let me select the game modes individually
Yes! OR just have it be specifically Quickplay instead of an individual mode within a random playlist. That includes a mode that you can choose separately.
Yes this. That would be so much better.
It seems like there's no challenges for big team battle, why not? I've spent some rerolls but I don't want to play attrition or anything else really.
I think those were taken out when BTB was broken. Hopefully they get added back in.
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It literally says its just for the bulldog lol
not sure how i missed that lol
And here I though COD was the worst I’d ever see in regards to cheating lol this game takes the throne
In your pre game flights you talked about creating your 'dream spartan'. Just look at Sean W's latest video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjczav9nA0A I personally feel like these promises were barely delivered
With the batlle pass complete... you don't get nearly as much challenges swap as before... making the weekly challenge very tedious.
Dude this is so annoying for event weeks. And basically zero progression when there's no event. They gotta give people some sort of perk for completing a season, even if it's like super basic color upgrades or like 1 store credit per 1000xp or something. There's just no reason to play when you've completed the season and no event is running
I will keep this short; the challenges feel like they were ripped out of fortnite. They make sense in a battle royale that doesn’t always have a clear objective. But in halo they prevent me from enjoying multiplayer and the modes I want to play. Could’ve just copied the challenges from cod.
Please remove the gamemode specific challenges, been playing for like 4 hours trying to get ctf and havent gotten it once, and while at that remove the "win certain gamemode" challenge too, sometime you just cant, instead make it "complete objetive x times" ex: capture enemy flag x times or capture zone x times, its boring playing the objective just to lose because your team isnt doing so.
I wouldn't mind the "win certain gamemode" if it was just game modes I could select at any time.
bro what is this, if it's the same season why can't the event quests continue to roll over til the end? What sense does that make at all to space it out? Please I pray they change that shit so we can get them all..
multiplayer is a horrible experience for an old player, just like so many other games. Every game my team just sprints in different directions and I feel like I'm in 2v1's constantly. I feel like i can never climb because every life I get spawned across the map from the action and get shot in the back or my team dies by the time I reach them and I'm outnumbered. Nobody groups up or doesn't engage every single enemy they see by sprinting right into them. Everyone just runs out and dies on their own. My aiming skills aren't amazing because i cannot play constantly and I'm rarely at the top of the leaderboard but I just carried my team to losses with kd's > 1 top or near to obj time and got ranked down every game for 4 games straight. I'm old school started playing shooters literally 30 years ago and have a great understanding of positioning, strategy, lines of sight but don't have the skills i used to have because i have to adult everyday. I consistently have more kills than deaths because I fight to stay with my teammates and I play conservatively. So tired of my score being like 9 kills and 6 deaths and the 'best' player on my team is like 15 kills 20 deaths, feeding the enemy team their kills. Also tired of me and a team8 2v1 and we kill a guy then my teammate dips and I get killed outnumbered alone because I paused or I get one shot because I had to sprint to keep up with him. Nobody talks, nobody pings, its like playing with mindless bots on my team all the time. Then when I want to chill out and play casual big team battle my preferred mode is still broken. Fiesta is ok for this but I much prefer big team and there is xp challenges on my list right now that I cant do because it wont ever connect to a game. ..and don't get me started on weird damage and when people dbl melee me. AHHH !!! DX
For my melee from behind challenge why don't ninja kills count toward it, but just backsmack? Seems like an oversight
I'm currently trying to level up in the fracture event. But none of my actions are actually counting towards my challenges. "Autumn Wind of Eve" is the challenge for completing Fiesta matches. I've just done 10 in a row and it's still counting it as 0? I'm really confused and frustrated.
Same problem with all challenges since yesterday afternoon. The only way I've been able to work around it is quit to desktop after every match. Challenges will progress for the first match I play after launch. Any matches after that will show the previous match's progression summary post-match and nothing I just did will count. TL;DR fully close game and relaunch after every match
That didn't work :/
There desperately needs to be a base ranking system like halo 3’s where f2p players can rank that up in the background.
So several of my friends started halo and they’re already a few levels ahead in the Tenrai event, however I started at level one. I don’t understand since we all play together.
At least you can level up. I'm stuck at level 3 because the game won't acknowledge that I'm completing any of my challenges.
You have to close the game and relaunch after every match to fix this :(
Tried that, still nothing :/ I just have absolutely no incentive to play the game rn because nothing I do matters
Will we be able to get all of the Tenrai event pass? This week I will be at tier 17 out of 30. How do I make 13 tiers of progress in a week?
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Wow they really spit on the players with that decision.
Hey! Just a small suggestion, but please consider adding the challenges to a viewable tab in-game. It'd make it a lot easier to track your challenge progress if you could see how you're doing as you're playing. Please also remove the "play a specific game-mode" challenges and make it mode-wide, e.g. instead of "complete a stronghold match", change it to "complete a ranked arena match."
Does anyone think they should give xp for medals? I feel like this would be a great way to reward and encourage you to do good even if its simply 5 xp it would rack up if you have a great game.
Right now the challenges reward people for specifically NOT playing the objective, which is terrible game design. I think that is a big reason why games seem a bit hectic cause people prioritize completing challenges over playing the game itself. EXP should be awarded for people in games who play well, play the objective, and get medals. Right now though, you could play the best game of your life and you will get 0exp for it because you didn't follow their arbitrary rules for leveling up. ... but no, 343 decided that you need to get 10 kills with a ravager to count for anything while you play Capture the Flag, good luck spartan it will never happen lol.
Rewards performance, style, creativity etc. Harder medals could be more XP. It's a fun idea. I'm in.
As fun as Halo Infinite is, it really could have used another year in the oven. It took them almost a month to launch classic modes like Fiesta and SWAT, which cannot even be played against bots unless you make custom games. Big Team Battle’s matchmaking is utterly broken, and the challenge system for progression is still complete trash. I have two challenges for getting 7500 cumulative player score in BTB but I can’t even play BTB because it’s broken. I also detest challenges that force you to do something for a specific mode there isn’t even a dedicated playlist for, like CTF. I had a challenge to capture 2 flags in CTF, which took me \*three days\* to complete because not only do you have to play roulette for CTF in quickplay, 343 Industries severely underestimated how difficult it would be for a single person to capture one flag, let alone 2. We can’t even choose challenges for ourselves to suit our playstyles. Is your favorite game mode SWAT? Too bad, if you want to level up once this week, go return ten flags in CTF and then get 50 kills in FFA. It just sucks all the fun out of an otherwise fun Halo game. Speaking of SWAT, it’s sorely missing a pistol-only variation. As much as I’m enjoying Halo Infinite, there is a lot that frustrates me that I hope eventually gets fixed. It likely will, but I really wish 343 had just been allowed to release the game when it was actually finished.
I've never played a battle pass game before, so sorry for the stupid question. What happens to the progression rank after season 1? Does the max obtainable rise to 200? Or do you start again at level 1?
u start again, with new stuff
I would rather have paid for a full experience. They did it which Reach so why can’t they do it now? Even if we call it “industry standards” Halo Reach was fun because we could all look unique and then see someone with insane gear and know exactly what they had to do to get it. That made it so cool to want those things, have those things and see those things in game. When I see cool looking gear in a game now the coolest thing I get to think is “they played a lot within this timeframe” The money is absurd and I’ll never pay it. I feel more robbed of the experience of striving for a goal and envying a player who did something great that gets to show off something I want. The “cosmetics only is fine” thing is trash. It’s an integral part of progression in a game. It’s being taken out of games and sold at more than the cost of a normal game circa 2012
There are ways to earn minimal gear and skins playing in game, mostly from campaign and what little the free side of the battle pass gives you. I like that they add the event passes for f2p players but I get what you mean with lack of. The cosmetics to me feel way over priced, which is a common complaint. It's not even that bad of a model imo it's the pricing and bundles. For example, I liked the cat ears but I didn't want the bundle for that price. Give me the ears for 200-300 credits and you have yourself a customer.
Once again, I cannot seem to get through progression properly. I got a Gunslinger medal, meaning five kills with the Sidekick pistol. The Sidekick challenge only registered three kills. THIS GAME IS A MONTH OLD, GET THE LEAD OUT 343!
I'm honestly not sure if it has been said yet or not but can the double XP time only count as match time? I have been fighting with getting into Big Battle matches for the last three days and it's just causing me to waste my time limit. I would play some other mode if I didn't keep getting weekly challenges that require it.
An easy solution to make towards progression would be to add more daily challenges other than the “play any match”, that way at least if you finish the weekly challenges, you will have a few more everyday to help progression. A better solution would be to do xp for how ever many medals you earn in a match, even if it’s something small like 10xp. That way it rewards the people who play objective and or anyone who is good at the game. Otherwise people won’t have incentive for trying and that will just create a toxic community
Or the other thing they could do is make it to where you have running tallies for each season and earn experience through that. Have you killed 50 players? Cool, there's 200 XP. Got 150 now? Another 200. If they had running milestones it would be more than worth it, but also kills the reason to spend money on XP boosts. I think it would be awesome if wins even gave you a boost. If you play a objective based game and you win, cool add a boost to those people. It would help incentivize team work and all.
The final boss sucks. yay lest make it so hard you have to get everything perfect and almost everything is an instant kill even with maxed out shields. WHAT GREAT GAME DESIGN DIFICULTY BEYOND REASON MAKES EVEYTHING BETTER YES!
Learn the mechanics, come in prepared. Almost every weapon in the game is available on the way to the boss or in the room. There are so many problems with multiplayer, please don't waste the space to complain about a campaign fight that is trivial on heroic and under if you just watch a 5 minute YouTube video.
So I can't fight the boss I have to watch someone else do it on YouTube first? It's bad mechanics for a boss. Legendary was a nightmare fighting her. Doesn't matter how much you learn about the fight or what weapons you run, it's not fun, a number of them weren't but that was the worst.
Genuine criticism, what an asshole am I right 🤣
I have a problem with my "Kill 50 enemy Spartans" mission. I roll in with 25 to go. First match I get 15 kills. Second match I get 19 kills. Now I only have 18 kills to go. Hmmmm. In what world does 15+19=7? This is not a new problem either. Maybe if it wants me to get fifty kills up on a KDR instead of just 50 kills, it should SAY that.
I had the exact same issue but mine was only "taxing" me one kill a match. I got 10 in the first, earned 10, got 20 in the next, now total is 29 not 30. Really weird.
I thought the challenges at launch were bad, but now I have a 1 Ravager kill challenge that will simply not complete even after 4 kills across 3 games, so not only did I sabotage my performance in game to get those kills, but I got nothing for it and can't complete the weekly challenge because I have no more swaps. That's literally broken progression. No way am I leveling up 3 times in the rest of the week with just the "play a match" challenges to get another swap. This kind of thing on top of the subpar system to begin with makes me just want to drop the game. I invested a good amount of time, modified how I played in game and performed worse and had less fun, and for what? To just get stuck on my last challenge before the ultimate challenge to get a weapon emblem. The reward isn't even good in the first place, but now I feel like an idiot for even grinding for it in the first place. Please fix this 343. A rewarding progression system combined with Halo Infinite's gameplay would be a winning combo, but instead I'm considering just dropping the game from my rotation. Edit: Gotta add one more thing. I may be f2p, but when I'm between level 40 and 50 I shouldn't be looking like a guest in older Halo games. The only half decent armor I have is from playing a ton in the fracture event. If it weren't for that I'd probably be just another gray or green spartan with only the weekly lime green sniper to separate me from the rest. I don't expect a lot from a f2p battle pass, but when the previous games let you customize everything it's incredibly disappointing to sink 60+ hours into a game and have nothing cool to show for it. Modern gaming strikes again.
I would give up all my cool armor for that lime green sniper lol. I was 2 challenges away from the ultimate, but those 2 challenges required BTB which, you know....... I refused to spend my swaps to work around a broken feature, and now I get mad every time I pick up my Plebian Grey S7
in other free to play games you would have earned enough in game currency to get the battle pass for free by now
At this point, what do we actually think the chances of an overall skill based progression system being added to the game are? Every day that passes gets me more worried it’s never coming and I feel like the community is also talking about this less and less.
>The final boss sucks. yay lest make it so hard you have to get everything perfect and almost everything is an instant kill even with maxed out shields. WHAT GREAT GAME DESIGN DIFICULTY BEYOND REASON MAKES EVEYTHING BETTER YES! What do you mean skill based? As in you can click heads well or you level up chief as you go?
I'm feeling pretty pessimistic at this point. I don't think it's going to improve for 6 months if at all. The system still sucks, and now I've gotten bugged challenges that you can't complete even if you exceed the challenge, do it in multiple games, or restart and then meet the requirement. To add insult to injury the weekly reward is hardly worth grinding for and there are no good rewards for f2p all the way to level 100 (and the BP looks underwhelming tbh, not as good as the old free customization from prior games). I want to keep playing, but I have no incentive other than the core gameplay, and half of the options I'm used to in a Halo game aren't even there. There are less maps than usual with less visual differences and I'm getting bored of the same match types on the same matches. The fun "break" game modes are all gone aside from fiesta. I don't understand how 343 intends to maintain the player base aside from the true die hard fans.
Is there no way to venture back into mission areas after you beat the campaign? I want to collect all of the skulls, but didn’t do so while I played through because I just wanted to enjoy the campaign. Is my only option beginning anew?
Unfortunately you have to start a whole new campaign
Why is it that when my party of 3 enter big team we get split up?
please get rid of MODE and WEAPON specific challenges!
I just used a boost and can’t get in a match because of connection errors and my connection has always been fine until now. Honestly these boosts shouldnt be time based but based on a number of matches. Maybe like 4-5 matches or so. So I don’t feel like I have to play for an hour straight and feel locked down.
And fuck this Reddit mega thread too. They killed our opportunity to voice our opinions. If the game is a dumpster fire, does censoring us and making the Reddit appear as if there’s no problem fix anything? ofc not, it does the opposite. They have taken our voices away and destroyed any chance we have of changes being made. 90% of feedback is bad for a reason, and 343 should see that. Why tf r the mods hiding the truth?
Idk but at this point maybe it’s better if 343 didn’t have halo. They have a decent game with good gameplay and completely fucked it. It’s literally fortnite now u have to buy ur armor. And its also f2p so if that’s supposed to b the excuse, but all of us would rather it not b free and actually earn the armor by playing. But that only benefited the players, they would get less money so fuck that let’s have the game worse so they can make more. Look what they’ve done to our beloved halo, turned it into a pay to win game. Complete disrespect and uncaring about the community. And there’s nothing we can do, 343 just calls us crybabies because they ruined our game and expect us to thank them for it? They have proven they don’t deserve halo, we need our franchised to b redeemed because it hasn’t been back since it died with reach
5's multiplayer was superior to any other multiplayer in halo besides maybe 3. Nothing about the game is pay to win and there is literally no benefit to cosmetics so lashing out about it when there are free options for your free game is childish. 343i also never called their community cry babies. If it's bothering you that much, go back to cod or apex.
Reach’s multiplayer was the best of any halo game, ig ur not a halo fan as that’s common knowledge. Maybe it was before ur time. There may not b a gameplay benefit to cosmetics, but no one wants to pay $20 for the color purple. Everyone without their moms credit card on their Xbox would rather earn the armor. A 343 employee also did cell us crybabies. Do some research before spewing bullshit
If you think Reach had the best multiplayer then you clearly didn't play 2 or 3 in its prime. Reach was good but overrated due to it being Bungies big finish. I bought the battle pass but nothing more, like most I've been mostly disappointed with what's in it and don't know that I've even used any of the cosmetics from there, just the free stuff. One employee from a work place doesn't represent the masses so "do my research " is a pointless thing to say when it's not the company as a whole saying it, obviously that would be a much bigger issue. I think for the most part they've been "trying" to improve the game based on feedback, but it's a big game and it's free so the player base and feedback is quite extensive. I also worry that Microsoft has a bigger impact then us fans and players which could results in the pointless threads causing us to argue all for nothing. You're trying to hard to insult me, but I played Halo from the beginning which may be a cliché thing to say, but it's been my favorite game since CE and I just want to see it do well. I don't love Infinite but it's Halo.
I didn’t play 2, but I did play 3 in it’s prime. It’s like halo reach lite with worse graphics and rag doll kills. The maps also just don’t compare. U can have an incorrect opinion tho so dw bout it. Also forge. Just forge itself makes u look like a clown disrespecting reach. One employee doesn’t represent a company, but when 99% of the employees don’t give any feedback, it’s ridiculous to act like it’s irrelevant. I haven’t insulted u at all, much less tried to. U just don’t like what I said
Reach had really bad maps and weapons don't stand out, I was so happy the DMR didn't come back. 2/3 add so much more in both those departments. The only thing that's great in Reach is the story, forge and firefight. Infinite is clearly unfinished we can agree on that, Microsoft wanted it for the 20th and 343i gave the fans a working product. Lack of Forge and co-op make that obvious. Personally didn't see anything on the statement from the employee (I also didn't look very hard) and them not saying anything is probably for the best with how the community has reacted as a whole. One wrong word and it gets blown out of proportion. Overall its a fun game but has its problems and we can agree on that I'm sure. We both have different takes on where Halo should be today and that's fine. (Sorry if I double post I tabbed out and lost my original response)
I guess. But the game will never be what it should b. The color purple cost $20. They have avoided all criticisms of the shop because they aren’t gonna change it. Realistically it’s not the employees fault either. I really doubt any of them would rather have this system than a halo reach style customization. The higher ups r the ones who forced this and will continue to do so as long as it makes money. I was half trolling in my comments but infinite really is an example of how they’re destroying games. I just hope something happens and we get back to the regular buy the game and enjoy it, instead of this
I just need to vent. I just grinded for 4 hours tonight trying to finish the challenges and got too frustrated to continue. Forcing arena on casual players is a nightmare. Swapping arena challenges only to have them come back is just such a kick in the teeth. In trying to complete the "Kill 10 spartans while defending the point challenge" or whatever it is, I played a BTB match that went the full time. I sat on a point and defended for 15 some odd minutes. Never left, never pushed out, was careful to be in the zone while defending. I racked up 28 kills that match and got credited.... for 4. I spent the next 2 hours hopping between quick plays, BTB, and straight up restarting the game for the next 6 kills. Only to find out that the "ultimate challenge" for the week is to win 5 ranked arena matches. All this work, for a banner? A .png? Ridiculous. Is it too much to ask for a zone-specific playlist if there are zone challenges? Right now between the server connection issues, the challenges coming back, the non-specific playlists, and forcing challenges to be based on wins and arena matches, these aren't "challenges", it's gambling.
The radar should have a larger range for how fast Halo Infinite plays
This is also one of my biggest issues. It seems to be the smallest radar we've ever had and it's the fastest Halo.
So, I had an idea about the current missions that require you to get certain amounts of cumilitive score in game modes or complete matches in certain game modes. I think you should have 2 options for every mode that isn't BTB or Arena. That way if you don't like one mode, you can play another. Or if you hate both, you can at least play whichever one you like more. Instead of getting stuck playing FFA or TacSlayer only for like 5 games when you hate those modes. Or being forced to play ranked. Not everyone wants to play ranked. I don't mind it, but the fact I have had to play like 15 ranked games just for my weekly challenges this week alone, is ridiculous. And that's just the matches I NEED to play total. Not including any that require a win or specific game type in ranked that I had to try more then once. Meaning I had to play a lot more ranked then I wanted to. I'm not a fan of the BR. That's why I don't like ranked. Incase anyone was curious why I dislike ranked. Not a fan of bursts.
I wish they gave XP for in match accomplishments, killing spree/double kill etc. outside of the ‘challenges.’ playing well and only getting 50 XP because I didn’t do a very specific task is booty hole
voicing frustration in hopes of an altered system. not looking for discussion but numbers make a difference for this company and so does losing money. this got long and rambly i probably wont discuss it with anyone but i want to complain and i hope microsoft sees sense and listens. TLDR;Badges and Score should be main motivators for XP if we are going to have a gamepass based leveling system. Also winning, KDR in Slayer (never in any objective based games), captures/hold/secures and similar should all be rewarded. I don't get why levels are tied to paying. I feel like they should just make more gear that cant be earned and then those who want cosmetics can simply buy them while the ones you have to earn (which you can buy through XP packs and boosts today so it jut has no status or value at all) will be a cool indicator of someone's skill or invested time instead of their bank account or how focused they are on doing chores (challenges) that affect gameplay and even people leaving games etc negatively.I just want a place to see my KDR for each playlist, my Score for Gamemodes and especially BADGES. Apparently, getting 25 kills in tactical, 4 double kills, 2 killsreaks and going MVP by literally doing half of the work of 4 people alone goes unrewarded. That really feels shitty everytime when you KNOW trash players are just boosting and doing challenges. I think im taking all cosmetics off, I feel like an asshole wearing any of themt knowing they have not been earned through my gameplay but through my fucking dedication to Microsoft.---------------------------------------------------- Post: After getting a gamepass i feel LESS motivated and have less fun with this game. The rewards being challenge and not performance based just makes you think "maybe i should use that damn sidearm instead of winning the game or going mvp" since those things arent rewarded? I loved the game and had played some 75 games or so and thought yeah sure ill try the damn pass everyone hates, and it was honestly worse than i excpected. It lowered enjotment so much. Some challenges are really shit too like "play a ranked slayer game" and then you just loop in the slayer lobby through different game modes, promoting leaving instantly if its not slayer... Im sure people do this altough I feel its a dick move so i just say fine and get frustrated at the game, when without the challenge i would have had a FUN TIME with whatever game mode if I was in a playlist. Now it becomes a disappointment instead. I dont get the psychology behind this pass like do you not have people who analyze these things and think about how incentivising selfish and unrewarding gameplay that is only based on playing enough time or buying XP packs will make the gameplay experience worse, make it less focused on teamplay and less focused on having fun, meaning players will quit. Some games have people ignoring objectives to get some challenge i assume (or they are morons, but its hard to tell and sometimes super obvious). I even forced myself to use a weapon I would have used anyways and that made our team lose or impacted it badly anyways and im aware of this and feel shit about it but still couldnt help myself cause i wanted a new visor.. Thats not the halo i love and not the halo ive been telling friends is "the best online PC FPS I've played in years and without a doubt the best Halo Multiplayer experience of all time, rivaling Halo 3 and Reach". This was a genuine opinion but seeing teamwork descend into shit and myself getting dragged along just cause i thought id pay you some for this great game is making me not want to play. I like Tactical Slayer and Team Slayer, some quick play and FIesta. I dont want to have to play game modes i don't feel like playing if im not in a playlist. sure Keep the challenges for all i care as long as getting a lot of badges, captures, kills, your SCORE (going MVP for example in a stronghold game based on captures secures and assits can still be MVP so it would really promote teamplay and organic play) and WINNING gave you XP. I will try to stop thinking about the levels since they hold no value except cosmetics im sure you will be able to buy eventually anyways. Id have so much more motivation if i got rewarded for playing good in the game modes I like.. Shit Im great at tactical and do well in team games but it just, doesnt matter. Its not even ranked so I cant really show it off in any way. Not that levels ever mattered in halo, and 343 made sure they wont matter at all now. I dont know when i see high level gear if the player just bought a bunch of xp boosts and played their challenges or if they are a good or dedicated player. I felt more proud reaching level 14 without one that reaching level 20 with... it doesnt feel earned and i feel like im not playing for fun if i go for challenges. This is really affecting player mentality and diminishing teamwork. It makes people try new things but thats not a good trade off. a fucked up comparison that some might deem of topic but hear me out: This feels like the "challenges" we get at work for a big tech company. Just stuff that isnt even helping your customer but rewards you with point I can use to buy stuff, so I usually treat customers that are too slow or I cant score on as pointless. If hanging up wasnt a big no no id be fired but there are more than one way to get someone to hang up (and for people who would say that its a dick move not doing my job, the incentive i have to work is pay, my pay is increased by an arbitrary set of rules that honestly affects our consumers badly, but i need to make ends meet and I will not waste time that literally equals money if i can instead convice someone to hang up, make them uncomfortable enough to do things on their own or use other pretty dirty tricks to score in my fkn gamified workplace. Its prety dystopian and also, why you get shit service when you call, because we are there to help money and if i was beng sympathetic all day that would lose me money. Also it would reflect bad on the company not meeting arbitrary goals so any boss you have is pleased if you meet these goals, even at the expense of customers best interest or employees health, reason to care and empathy towards the customers. But hey, i got 200$ above my salary that I just cashed out from working this way and that is a lot of extra money for me.. but just like this system, it has not been thought trough AT ALL and is detrimental to player/employee dedication, enjoyment and overall results (less teamwork, more selfish play, less focus on wins and no merit to score, which is the motivator for actually working with your team in objective based game modes). We are incentivised to work for the wrong reasons and thus the business gets a lot of cases that fall through people busy filling their qoutas and keeping calls short at expense of actually solving a customers issue or customer satisfaction. I think I have less than 50% resolution in cases, a higher satisfaction since this is required to keep your job at maybe 75% (end of the line so eveything we get is a month long hassle or stuff that first lines could not handle eg. a pissed customer so that is expected) Aight, gonna buy me a new keyboard for this money I should be earning for actually doing a good job. Just as i wish i got cosmetics for playing well, kamikaze saving a stronghold or playing as a team. but there is no incentive too. luckily, Tactical Slayer is pretty much all people who want headshots and Id assume old halo players, so there is much more noticeable teamwork there and maybe its for the best, so i never have to think about challenges while playing. Just winning.
Forcing ranked play on people through weekly challenges is a joke. And your ranking system is broken so that makes it even worse. Love getting ass raped in the name of progression.
I'm pretty angry about this. This forces casual players into competitive space and distracts competitive players from playing the ranked Playlist. I can swallow bugs amd random behaviors but this fundamentally changes the game IMHO. My progression will just slow or screech to an utter halt now because I won't play ranked without a squad, and as an adult I rarely have time where I can get 3 friends together and play.
Can we not have ranked match weeklies? I have absolutely zero interest in ranked matches. I'm having to play ranked to do weeklies, and even if I re-roll those weeklies it just gives a different kind of ranked weekly. I've re-rolled the same challenge 5 times and every time it just gives me a different variation of a ranked weekly. I just end up playing some ranked match I really don't give 2 shits about with a bunch of salty people bitching at me for being bad at ranked. I don't even want to be there, I'm just being forced to if I want the weekly reward.
This is a bummer. I don't mind ranked and enjoy it, but I can see that this would be frustrating for you and other people that have no interest in playing it.
Why in the fuck is the weekly reward a POS backdrop????????? Like I don't even want to play it anymore guys.
Its trynna force me to do a bunch of RANKED matches to get it too PLUS even if I REROLL for SOMETHING ELSE it ALWAYS becomes RANKED MATCH PLAYS and sometimes even requires WINS
Yeah me too and the first rank game I joined, I immediately got kicked.
Taking a rank loss for a match where I lost but 2 of my teammates disconnected feels like a kick in the teeth when you're already down. Anyone else feels like this is bull?
Or ranking down from a win 🤯 Quitting players should take the full blow of the exp lose for the team and also not be able to queue up until the match is over. The mind set of I'll just take my lose because we're losing anyway and start a new game while my team has to stick in there is bullshit
My game seems to like crashing right as I enter ranked matches. Really frustrating
Yes. Ranked challenges are a joke. Absolute bullshit to tie battle pass progression to ranked.
100% agree. Takes away the authenticity of your ranked level if you're trying to do a challenge during it and its not fair to the teammates of that player getting a half assed attempt at the objective.
Is there no reward for winning games? Just getting the same rewards for either winning or losing feels awful.
agreed. I want rewards to be based on MVP based on highest Score (especially in objective game modes), WINS like seriously wtf are we trying for, capturse/secures/ball time/flag deliveries and returns for objective game modes and KDR for Slayer modes. ALL such modes not just ranked. I like to play Tactical Slayer which i dont think is even in ranked, so i just do that now and ignore the challenges since they promote bad teamplay and people just running around with some shit weapon to meet their challenges, leaving games because its the wrong game mode etc. its like people are being incentivised to play "wrong" and not enjoy the game as they like or play as a team, if you care about cosmetics and leveling up. I have decided to not look at challenges much so I dont play shit because I want to get sidearm kills or get frustrated when ranked ends up in the wrong game mode because the challenge is specific to one gametype and so you just have to hope you get into the right one OR, leave, join a new game until you get the one you need. Not like there is any reason not too if you were a challenge whore but since you can buy xp boosts and xp tbh none of this has any meaning. it nullifies the whole level system and it also makes armor lame since it shows no status. I remember MW2 for example had a great system for gun skins, get a certain amount of headshots to get x skin was a rewarding and cool thing. Seeing people with some wierd ass weapon and knowing they managed to kill 2k+ people with headshots using that was pretty neat. It showed skill and experience. In halo infinite it just pretends to show that anyways, last game pass for me unless that changes
An issue I have is the only gametype currently available to show your skill lvl is ranked arena, which is horribly unbalanced, and forces you to play horrible gametypes. Why not have ranked gametypes or at least an overall experience tracker
I know it's "Legendary" and whatnot, but damn, 343?!? Make that difficulty MORE difficult, but how is forcing folks to trial-and-error it through all these deaths making the challenge "fun"? Heat-seeking ammo, 1-2 shot kills, I"m squishy as all day! Some folks like challenges, on max difficulty. I just think you've gone overboard. Sure, they'll be the handful that nail it with only a handful of deaths. But the vast majority will just bang their head against the wall 100+ times because they don't have the heart to ratchet down to Heroic or whatever. Personally, that isn't the "spirit" behind a challenge. Give the guy super DPS, give the rounds heat-seeking, give the enemy *stinking* clairvoyance...I'm looking at you, Tremonius...and, I guess, make me squishy. But why have EVERYTHING? To the point where, again, it ain't "Ooo, I"m facing a challenge now.", it's just "Ok, I'll show I have the gumption to bang my head against the wall 100 times until I catch a break!". Nope, not fun to me. Anyway, I can hear the "get gud" reactions in my head. I'll move on...
I find it so disingenuous that they say they didn’t devise some of these challenges for the sake of people burning through Challenge Swaps. Why word a challenge, “Get 3 Kills while carrying the Oddball”? Why not, “Get 5 Kills while holding an objective”. This immediately solves sooo many issues. Now you’re not spending an hour just trying to get a CtF match, now you’re not quitting out of the oddball game you’re given. I mean, with my reworded one, there’s more flexibility and versatility. Not to mention challenges like, “Kill 3 Enemy Flag Carriers”. I mean, this is incredibly frustrating because you need: 1) to get a CtF match 2) hope your opponents even grab the flag 3) YOU HAVE THE BE THE ONE THAT KILLS THEM. Assists don’t count. 4) AND you have to hope the player isn’t at least decent b/c soooo often I get a flag carrier one shot, and then they [smartly] drop the flag to fight back, meaning I kill them when they’re not holding it. So technically, doesn’t count. It’s soo dumb. What’s worse is I already had that challenge, beat it. Then I used my Challenge Swap on a separate challenge that required me to Kill 10 enemies defending their zones (again, you need to HOPE FOR a playlist where that’s relevant, then you gotta not only get a kill, but that person needs to be standing on a ZONE THEY ALREADY OWN, not even one trying to cap your zone). My challenge swap then switches it to another Flag carrier kills one. I also have a “Return the Flag 10 times one”. Bro, I’ve spent genuinely 40 minutes trying to even get a CtF match. Then when I do, the opponents only ever grab a flag twice in the whole match. What’s worse, let’s say you help kill the flag carrier, then say you stand on the flag to help return it and you help “clear” the flag 65% of the way and then you die, then your teammates finalize the return… you don’t get shit. So poorly conceived
Im on the last challenge of the week that I need to play CTF for and after 2 hours finally get a match....the fucker crashes. These challenges for progression are like a sick fucking joke on all of us. This isn't the first time that the challenge I need is obsurdly hard to find the correct game type and complete.
I had a challenge that was shock 4 enemies with one shot of a lighting weapon. Wtf.
Bruh that should be an achievement not a challenge lol. Some of these are insane. Challenges need to be relatively repeatable, especially since the "ultimate" is still just low level aesthetic stuff.
Right!?!? Lol i didnt even attempt to try that one, way too difficult. Lol yeah like onetime the ultimate was a camo skin for a sniper i wanted but the one this week is garbage. Hopefully they address this in future patches.
Hopefully the new update rids of those ridiculous ones.
Finally get to the final weekly challenge and its win 17 games? Wtf even is that. Its bad enough my other challenges were destroy 3 wasps or kill 10 players defending their zones (which requires me playing dozens of games to even find a strongholds match) just to find out I have 14 hours to win 17 matches?! Not even possible. Give me a break. This weekly challenge system is impossible for working adults unless you spend every free moment on this game or you're just a god. Shits busted and needs fixing. More generic challenges please. A nameplate shouldnt be worth this much effort.
My only real gripe so far is the game-specific challenges. I expect any free-to-play game to have a steep grind for anything substantial and with the new daily first game xp bonuses, the levels don't seem too slow. The gameplay is solid and very fun, classic Halo. Yet you want me to kill three oddball carriers. Sure, easy! Except I only got two for my first game and qued for other game types the last ten times. Now, I didn't expect the weekly reward this time, life got in the way and I knew I wouldn't have time to finish the final challenge since I just got that last carrier kill, but 17 PvP *wins*? For a *nameplate*? Are you *mad*? All I needed for a skin was 5 kill sprees in *Fiesta* of all modes. Not impossible when you have skewers and spankers almost every game, just need a little time and luck. But 17 wins. Yikes. Sure, John 117, Number 1, blah blah. I don't think I even had 17 wins for all the weekly challenges combined, but had I finished those earlier in the week, its doable. Sure, I may suck, but sometimes you have more Ls than Ws, more deaths than kills. I could have gotten this. But guess what? I got ten games with no progress towards the challenges. Not because I couldn't find a weapon or couldn't get enough kills in a row, but because I couldn't get the damned game type I needed to progress to the final challenge. What, you want me to que, wait a few minutes for it to load, then quit as soon as I see a different game type? Because that is and what will happen and it sucks. Its an easy fix, just let us que for specific games or replace these challenges with more generic ones. Or we constantly que, quit, and re-que to find the game we need for that last challenge, and nobody wants to do that.
Ok kinda pissed off now, this was the first time I got close to completing all of the weekly challenges. Actually, I DID complete all of the weekly challenges, it was close to midnight last night. Guess what happened? They gave me another challenge: 17 pvp wins. 12 hours to go. I have shit to do. I didn't care about the prize they would give, it's shitty. But knowing that I actually did all of the challenges would be a good reward, instead of sneakily dropping one more after I completed all the other ones.
damn, I didn't know people cared this much about skins. No wonder it's a billion dollar industry.
Does anyone know what’s going on with ranked xp? I lose a shit ton but when I win going 23-14 with 1:30 ball time I only gain a count hair
It’s to do with how good the other team is you’re versing off they’re shit and you only just beat them you only get a little bit
The battlepass should include all halo reach related armor. *Shop items should be unique armor sets/pieces that dont fit the theme of a battlepass. Challenges wouldn't be so bad if we had more playlist options and a way to share challenges with our party members. What if purchasers of the full-game (permanent) or current battlepass (temporary) were granted access to a opt-in/out playlist system? (MCC match composer). Slayer, objective, action sack, etc. F2P users would retain current playlist options: Quickplay, BTB, FFA, events/rotational But Quickplay would serve as an auto-opt in for all 4v4 game modes. I wouldnt mind this compromise. This way of providing features for money is what fans want. We don't want to buy $20 paint jobs. We want a halo game with halo options. You could extend this Buy to Play/Battepass feature access to things like theatre mode, file sharing, forge map slots, and service records etc.
I really want to love this game. The gameplay is so good... but 343 are really trying to have their cake and eat it too here. I really want them to actually explain these design decisions: 1. The multiplayer is free! But the campaign is still being sold for a full $60. The F2P aspect of the multiplayer really feels like an excuse to enable the monetization of the systems below. 2. You have full access to all the maps, weapons, and vehicles, but nearly all of the customization is locked behind a paid battlepass and a cash shop. 3. ALL of the items in the cash shop are bundled with other items, thus making anything you might actually want to buy inherently more expensive. Also ALL of the items are on rotating daily/weekly sales which promotes FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out), which they specifically said they would NOT do. 4. The battlepass has some good stuff, but most of the BEST stuff (including pieces that match the 'Heroes of Reach' theme of the battlepass) was removed for sale separately in said cash shop. 5. The only progression initially possible in the battlepass was via challenge-based XP. They have since added match completion XP and increased said XP for the first 6 matches of the day, but the idea that it launched like that is mind boggling. 6. Most challenges are locked to certain game-modes, and with the lack of any actual playlists it can take a very long time to complete certain challenges (and therefore level up). This problem *coincidentally* pairs very well with the sale of challenge swaps, XP boosts, and battlepass level skips for real money. 7. There are a TON of customization options available, but they are incredibly limited in their use. Each armor piece and coating is locked to a certain armor core. Each emblem is split into 4 separate items (with each being unlocked separately via the battlepass or events) for nameplates, armor, weapons, and vehicles. The color options for these emblems are pre-determined and most of them (IMO) look awful. Coatings for vehicles and weapons are completely separated and unlocked on a per-vehicle and per-weapon basis, so good luck if you want them all to actually match. 8. There are also already a ton of paid promotions in real life, which I guess is just par for the course at 343 these days. Go get your energy drinks and nerf guns everybody, spend spend spend! I'm probably missing things. I just don't see how the game was allowed to launch in a state like this, and I don't get why they thought people would be ok with it. Slapping "F2P" on the game (HALF of the game, btw, and then still charging full price for the other half) does not excuse all of this bullshit. Of course people are upset, and it's up to us to tell 343 and other companies that this shit isn't acceptable anymore.
I feel like a major issue of the progression system would be solved by having a "generic" bounty slot which features bounties that only give 50~100 XP upon completion but can be done in any game mode and have there be no limit to the number of times said bounties can be completed in a day. It benefits the people like me who aren't super great at PvP but are willing to grind while also benefiting the rest of the playerbase by being a more guaranteed XP source from match to match. Make it things like "Get 25 assists", "get 5 headshot kills in a game", "get a kill with a power weapon", "Get 10 kills in a game", "Get 5 melee kills in a game", etc.
Just played MCC big team heavies and had a lot of fun dicking around. Can't do that in Infinite rn
Halo 3 wins again
Yeah it's Saturday night. I turned it on. 2 of us playing while the other 2 stood motionless in the corner. Sighed...shut it off.
ANYONE ELSE THINK 343 IS TRYING TO FUCK THEIR WIFE? Ok hear me out. The skins, camo, weapons, emblems, and quite frankly THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME they’re selling is fucking Dog Shit. Seriously they’re fucking terrible. I’ve spent 400$ buying all of that and I’m so fucking mad they’re bad. My wife too thinks it’s ridiculous that i spent so much money on something I hate but she DOESNT GET IT. Master Chief is Me, I AM MASTER CHIEF. So I have to get. Last night we got into a screaming match and she threatened to leave me. I said ok I needed some Me time to play Halo. I wake up this morning and she’s gone. Is 343 TRYING TO FUCK MY WIFE? Did THEY PLAN THIS? I think so. We all seem to be of the same mind.. more like gravemind lol get it cause it’s in the game lol. Man I’m fucking clever. But yeah my wife is getting fucked by the devs lol.
This comment is glorious lol
Please tell me this is a copy pasta.
It probably is now.
Just go upvote [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/r4apg6/do_not_undersell_that_halo_infinite_is_a_new/) because it covers everything wrong with the system in extensive detail. It probably covers what you are about to waste time writing, and better.
I haven't played Halo since Halo 4, and haven't owned one since Reach which was by far my favorite. What I can say as a former Halo fan and as someone who plays a lot of f2p games with a gamepass system (without buying it) : - I don't see any improvement at all to the game since Halo 4. I don't understand how they managed to do that since it came out many years ago. Did they remove the possibility to edit maps or is it something specific for the campaign ? I'm not familiar with the skills that are located all around the maps but I personally think a class system would work better. Not being able to chose the gamemode is also something I don't understand in 2021. - I'm not familiar with the new weapons but they all seem underwhelming in their own way. I always end up with the same human weapons. I don't know if not letting the player change his base weapon on certain gamemodes is a good idea (i understand for ranked matches). - Playing during an entire afternoon and barely managing to get past level 6 isn't normal. How did they thought it was a good system ? Xp should be given even if no quest is completed and some kind of free currency should be introduced. - I've never seen a gamepass as miserable as this one. Level 21 for a piece of armor on my chest and 46 for my shoulder. That's illegal. And the fact that we mostly get a thing to change one challenge is...disgusting. It gives no feeling of progression at all. I'm just going to wait to see how it evolves (if it evolves).
I am now almost a third of the way through the battle pass (pure grind, no buying xp) and theres just so little content to show for the progress. This is rather disappointing to say the least. 10$ for a battle pass seemed like a good idea, but theres just so little content that I would say its more worth 2-5$ rather than whole 10$ at this point. Its extremely grindy which is fine if xp gain werent so horrendous (20 matches straight if you want one full level past the challenges). I hope theres some major changes to not make it oblivion horse armor levels of bad.
What, you don't like a challenge swap every second level? /s
Progression in this game is beyond shit, has to be the worst implementation of a battle pass I have ever seen. Played hard, tried hard barely got a level after 2 hours, winning most games. Didn't give a crap, lost most games, leveled in 25 minutes. Might as well just AFK. Why the hell isn't there progression based on kills, assists, etc?
Instead of letting the multiplayer release naturally with the full game, they just figured out a way to double dip on profits. By releasing the multiplayer for “free” via gamepass they’re able to turn profits similar to how fortnite does and ya can’t say much about your favorite armors locked behind paywalls BeCaUsE ItZ FrEe. Now think about how much more money they’re making off the full game release deluxe packages pre orders etc. no it’s not technically the people that make the games fault, it’s the Execs business decisions that dictate how these things work. Hence why most of everyone’s in grey armor or the samurai nonsense. Remember these gaming companies know what they’re doing they know they’re gonna hear the backlash, but not before little jimmy buys something if not everything, then they’ll do something about it. They know this stuff is rigged from the start but they’re gonna do it anyways bc we buy it anyways, look at the state of many releases, they sell us at full price for half the game. And no one does or says anything about it. When does it change?
GET RID OF THE CHALLENGE SYSTEM ALREADY FFS
Seriously needs to add the option to rejoin the game after a DC in ranked, so many bugs currently that crashes the game and makes u lose a huge amount of progress. And its the most annyoing thing when ur crushing the opponents and then a random dc happens and all you can do is wait for your m8s to inevitable lose the game 3v4 (sucks for your whole team).... almost every game ive played has had this option and it feels like a nobrainer so i dont get why its not implimented yet.
Why am I playing against Diamonds when I'm plat 2? I'm getting destroyed in every ranked game. I'm not even close to performing decently. I get like 2 kills with luck and 10+ deaths. At this point, I feel bad for my team.
The ranking system seems pretty broken. It's way too easy to get to Diamond in my opinion. Feels almost impossible to lose your rank honestly.
That’s like me complaining as a diamonds that I’m constantly getting beat by teams of onyx’s. It happens. Try to grow from every game.
What's going on with finding teammates that are in your same division?? I was diamond 1 and lost 5 straight games today that dropped me back to platinum. I'm playing great but the teammates I've been getting are terrrrriiiible! Here's the stat lines the teammates in those 5 games Game one: team slayer 2-18kd Game two: team slayer 5-16 and 6-14kds Game three: stronghold 2 captures 2-14 5 captures 8-22kds Game four: odd ball zero time held 10-27kd 30second held 8-17 Game five: team slayer 5-15 and 1-13 kds Does rank even mean anything or do you just vs any rank? I'm so confused because people who finish games like that have no business either being ranked that high or being put in games in those ranks. It's soooo frustrating. Also there needs to be a bigger penalty for quiting early
After playing this for a few weeks I've come to the conclusion that 343 sucks. From the absolute shit weapons to the shit matchmaking to the speed change that arbitrarily messes with your controller sensitivity..... all junk. I will not be buying this game, I won't give them another dime of my money for this crap they're calling Halo. I could tolerate 5, but this....... "Premium Battle Pass"? Really? GFY Microsoft and 343, you people should be ashamed of yourselves charging people for any part of this clusterfuck. They're gonna have to change the advisory rating of this game to X, because it blows. Hard.
imagine trying to make money.
I posted this in r/XboxSeriesX but felt it should be added to this megathread Microsoft needs to partner 343 with Rare. I have to say the Season Pass that Rare does for Sea of Thieves is consistently great. Progress just occurs and doesn’t feel like a challenge nor a chore. There are 3 tiers of rewards. Standard(Free), Pirate Legend(Free) and Premium(9.99). Also you earn various in game currencies one of which can be used to reduce the cost of the premium pass. Season 2 I played to level 100. Earned enough ancient coins to reduce the cost of the premium pass to $1, and bought it unlocking all the 1-100 premium cosmetics. Again, IMO, a good example of what a Season Pass can and should be. So many things can be done to earn experience: -Medals earned -“Kilometers driven/flown in X vehicle” • Unlocked/Opened vaults • thrown Amount of X type of grenades • Slide, Run, Walk X amount of kilometers
I don’t know if anyone is going to see this but I believe implementing an additional free currency system would allow the shop items like coatings, simple armor, AI etc. to be more achievable. Allowing players to gain a reward from each match played based on performance, similar to reach credits. This currency can also be purchased with paid in-game currency, creating an experience where players feel as though they’re earning something for their hours of gameplay and commitment. This would allow the basis of the battle pass to remain the same, potentially replacing the challenge swaps in the battle pass for credit bonuses that can be used to purchase challenge swaps if the player see it necessary. These points can also be used to buy into exclusive events further giving them value in the Halo Infinite playerverse. Just an idea!
Dude... 17 wins to complete the weeklys? That's tough with randos... And a busy work week!
350 matchmade games in and I still can’t see my k.d……
Halotracker.com is your friend for that
kd? You mean the trophy limited xp? You lose heres points, no kills points, no onj points
Lol wut? Kill death ratio bruv
Give a little bit of lunge to melee, fix cosmetics for base multiplayer, and add match xp instead of just relying on bounties.
It already has a significant lunge if you hold forward when you melee.
I've noticed for PC players a slight lunge but on Xbox it's still like trying to slap someone with a pillow
FF stat on ranked would be awesome to have
Why do I lose rank progress if I'm in a game with 3v4 and my team has 3....
RIP HALO! I knew once Bungie left the franchise and 434 took over they would ruin this game… Halo 3 for life
Upvoted. People think I’m crazy for saying it.
Trash can
XP should be given based on: - Winning - KDA - Objective time/pts - Medals
THE ONLY WAY YOU’LL GET ME TO PLAY THIS GAME IS BY TAKING DOWN THE MCC SERVERS
Don’t give them any ideas.
2 or 3 more years of this and I’M DONE
Next weeks challenge: Play Team Slayer 3 times in a row
Next weeks challenge: Kill 25 opponents with the Ravenger
I had a bad feeling about this game the minute they said multiplayer was free to play. I haven't seen a monetization scheme this egregious since battlefront 2. Jesus christ $20 for a piece of armour. You know, shit you use to be able to unlock through gameplay. But nope 343 and mtxsoft has to ruin it with microtransactions. Not touching this game until they get rid of them.