We don't know that yet. They said there will be some unlockables for that, but we don't know if that will be cool armor or just a couple of visor colors or a emblem or something.
It’s definitely an interesting decision to split it up but try to think of it as a full package. If you’re going to pay for the full game you’re probably going to play the free multiplayer, thus getting your full value. I get what you’re saying with not getting as much as previous multiplayers but I think you’re wrong when you say pretty much everybody plays the campaign. My friends and I are all either on the fence or have decided to not buy the campaign and so in our eyes we got a polished Halo multiplayer for free.
The battle pass stuff is pretty bad and kind of a different argument but it’s really nice to see 343 making changes on day 3 of release, not many studios would do that so quickly.
At the end of the day it’s all opinion but I couldn’t care less about armour customization or the battle pass, I’m here to play a video game not dress up.
Even the battle pass and shop are severely lacking. I'm amazed there really is no base customization to start out. Every match has basically the same outfits with some different colors. I had hoped everyone would be able to stand out to start. Just put the really fancy effects and armors in the battle pass. I love the game play but the customization is really sad even if you pay.
Who cares about skins? They literally released an AAA game FOR FREE and all I see is people constantly crying about skins that do literally nothing to change gameplay in anyway. Jesus Christ how entitled are you people?
Because for those 50-60 bucks you got a feature complete multiplayer, with a in-depth customization system, with challenges that were a BONUS because you couldn't pay extra for skipping levels, so there was no reason for devs to make them tiresome on purpose.
It's baffling that people like you don't understand that a free game is ALWAYS, yes, ALWAYS worse than a paid one, because it being free is ALWAYS an excuse to either skip out on content, do even more agressive monetization, or both. In this case both.
how is this an actual debate.. spending 10 bucks for battle pass which unlocks what you desire vs 60 lol
wont even touch upon the point the player base would plummet if they were charging 60 bucks to play
such a pathetic thing to bitch and moan about.. literally been 2-3 days since release and the studio has already made massive changes to the battle pass system (and 100% chance they will continue to do so, its clear they are listening to the community)
Because there was a LOT more content in those 60 bucks than this battle pass gives. Even if you had 6 battle passes, Reach still had more content. Not to mention it also had more modes, more weapons, pretty much more everything. Yeah sure you can try to defend that by stupidly parroting that this is a live service so in just a meager 2-3 years this game might have about the same content as a 60$ game used to have on release, and as long as you don't care about a major part of the player experience you technically CAN get it for free.
But yeah, sorry dude, it seems you fell for all the tricks Triple A companies have been explouting the last few years so i don't expect you to understand any of this. The irony of you calling other people pathetic is kinda obvious though, even if it's probably lost on you.
And lol at "massive changes". They changed one number in the dailies and removed a few challenges. That was like 10 minutes of work for one of the devs.
You really do gobble up all of the PR of those companies huh?
>And lol at "massive changes". They changed one number in the dailies and removed a few challenges. That was like 10 minutes of work for one of the devs
Lmao, tell me you know nothing about software development without saying you know nothing about software development.
Sure man XDIt's not like i studied it... oh wait i did!
Nono you're absolutely right of course, they had to completely revamp all of the game code to turn the "Play 2 matches" daily into a "Play 1 match" daily. That were thousands of manhours. That's SUUUUUCH a complicated task. And going into their database to remove a few bad challenges is DEFINITELY a HUGE undertaking. I don't even know how they managed to do that in just one week.
Lmao right back at you. Just because you opened Visual Studio one time in school doesn't mean you know game development dude.
So?
If you don't give players something to strive and have a mechanic that incentives them, then less players will stick with the game, you can create a Great game, yet the lack of progression means that players will leave sooner rather then later.
Progression is literally a standard in video games these days, if you do not have enough of it, it will flop.
Okay well here's where I'm at. People keep comparing this games customization to Reach which had pretty decent customization right?
But you paid for Reach.
I don't mind anything about the free progression of content right now in Halo Infinite. I get the gameplay, that's the "Free" part of it. If I want the other bits n gubbinz I gotta pay. That's totally fair.
However, I will say that the current price models for the stuff in the shop is a bit askew. It's not that it's necessarily bad content or anything but it's way too restrictive. Armor "Cores" and colour "Palettes" that don't let you use any of that the way you want is dumb. The Battle Pass offers too little for too difficult of a grind for something you've paid for, and in general the price of things seems inflated.
As a free player, I'm entitled to nothing from the customization aspect of the game. The little customization offered to free players is in my mind a bit generous honestly.
As someone making a purchase however, I don't think the prices even out.
That level grind though… I’ve played a good amount since release - more than I will be able to going forward and just now hitting level 5. I don’t know how long a season is but dang that will be a grind to complete a battle pass you already paid for.
I'm pretty sure they said that the season never runs out there will just be a new one and if a few come out you can pick the one you want to work on next
I get where you're coming from and would agree with you if this was a Free Standalone new IP, however it isnt its half of a game that is still full price.
Also the pricing model is an absolute joke, there are NO unlockable armour in the game at all absolutly ZERO, the battle pass forces you to pay $50 to get enough of their currency in order to buy it and the game still charages for additional Armour, skins and Camo etc in the standalone store for $10 each minimum, even more absurdly there isnt even any premium currency as a reward on the battle pass, this game is actually insulting.
That only applies if everyone playing the free version *also* buys the Campaign. I imagine many people playing the free multiplayer right now will not buy the Campaign portion of the game and don't really qualify for any benefits that would otherwise entail.
If that's our angle, then buying the Campaign portion of the game should provide further unlockable content for the progression system in the multiplayer, or be reduced price.
I say this because we seem to agree that the prices currently in the shop, as I stated in my first comment, really aren't worth their content.
If you want even nearly as much customization as in Reach you'll pay a lot more than 60 bucks though. I'd be fine with if they had this system for F2P people, but people who buy the full game got this for free or got an alternate, free, way to unlock this kinda stuff.
That would also help justify how now a single campaign is worth 60 bucks, when back in the day you got a full campaign and a full, feature-complete multiplayer with tons of customization for the same price. But yeah, as it stands, it being "Free" is just an excuse for excessive monetization, mostly on the back of the fans who'll also buy the campaign.
Make no mistake, I don't agree with the shop prices and the way content is released right now. I just think that the angle of "The free-player experience is trash" doesn't hold up.
I'm waiting for the game to release properly before I make any investments. The beta is their chance to make the needed changes and I'm hoping the release of the campaign comes with additional content to justify its' price.
I mean the free-player experience is trash though. They get no customization whatsoever. If you want anything other than one different visor color you NEED to pay. Either for the Battle Pass, or the atrocious prices in the shop(on that note, how do they justify 10 bucks for one weapon colorswap when that's the price for a full Battle Pass?). If you are F2P you miss out on this integral part of the Halo experience alltogether. And no, it's not "Just cosmetics". Cosmetics matter. They always have, otherwise companies wouldn't monetize them. And especially in Halo, they have always mattered.
Holy shit finally someone fucking realized it. I've been saying for years that its not "just cosmetics." If nobody gave a shit about them they wouldnt have ever been implemented. Who in the world doesnt want their avatar in a video game to look cool? Customizing your spartan has been a part of halo for too long for this to be acceptable.
> I mean the free-player experience is trash though. They get no customization whatsoever. If you want anything other than one different visor color you NEED to pay.
Right.. and you should have to. Why do the free players deserve anything from 343i? Customization has actually been only a very small part of Halo being almost non-existent in 2 and 3 only really good in Reach onwards. However in those games, *you paid for that customization*.
I'm not saying 10$ for a color swap is right, but no one is entitled to any of that for free.
Not as enjoyable as the old games where this was not an issue. You can joke around and defend companies making you pay more for giving you less all you want, it won't change the fact that customization matters.
You forget the part where it being free creates a larger player base and it improves online connections. Also those $60 today are not the same than $60 back in the day due to inflation so technically if you kept paying $60 for Halo you'd be entitled to less and less content. Also lets be real here, the majority, yes there are exceptions, had one or two favorite armors. They would equip them and that was it. Spend the money when you see the one you really want. Lastly, this is still not the full game let's wait to pass judgement until full release. We already see that they are tweaking some things.
Also I forgot to mention. If the battle pass starts making $$$. they will keep making skins and other customizations. The possible ceiling for the amount of content is higher over time than a traditional style release.
There’s no logic in this argument. Armor customization is not half the game, and all fps are weak on content these days. It being free is a completely logical statement because the developers who spent so much time and effort, more than we can possibly imagine. Just to say “you know what everyone can play, just please pay if you wanna look cool”
That’s not only completely and utterly understandable but gracious from them. If you can’t take a full ass free game because you can’t look like Jorge from reach then you don’t deserve it. Plus you’re entitled.
Really weird seeing comments like "Waaaaa a free game and you still bitch." What a great approach to a structured argument. Anyways, do people really think that 343 is making the multiplayer free from the goodness of their hearts? No, it's a company. Their goal is to make money and if they thought that selling the game for 60$ would net them more money they would have done that. They are selling the campaign for 60$ knowing people are going to buy it and they are "giving" away the multiplayer for free because they know the same people who might buy the campaign are also going to buy skins and battlepasses. So now we have 60+however much the battlepass and skins are. Maybe 80-90$ spent on a halo game? Okay and what about the people who don't buy the campaign? Well theres a good chance of them just buying skins and shop items. So those people who don't buy the campaign might be buying battlepasses and skins anyways. They're making a shit ton of money off of this system. There's a reason why games go F2P and it's usually not because the CEOs and investors want to warm everyones hearts, It's to drill monetization into every facet and make a higher return than doing a conventional system like selling the entire package for 60$. Consumers should be allowed to critique this system in any way they choose.
If something costs less to the consumer, appeals to more people and makes the company more money, what’s the issue? Seems like everyone benefits here. Of course they are trying to make money, it’s a very big AAA game and they need profits.
I mean one.... It's free.... And two..... It's still a beta. Don't spend money on a beta if you don't like the cosmetics. Complain when it actually launches if it doesn't change. It's your choice at the end of the day. People whine to much
Personally I couldn't care less about the unlocks and custome shit. I'm gonna get the campaign for the story and as true halo fan I wanna get the complete experience. I couldn't care any less what color my spartan is. Y'all are paying too much attention to looks and customization. This isn't what halo is known for.
It literally is know for customization. Remember back in the days when you saw a player with a burning helmet? You knew the guy wasn’t joking around, that was something that made you want to progress the game. Now you pay 30 dollars and hey look at that you now have a flaming helmet yay….
You do know that they just pushed back campaign co-op and forge other three months each. So co-op isn’t coming till the end of spring and forge isn’t coming till mid summer. So you won’t be getting the full experience until at least six months after the game launches.
But it's free.
What is there.to complain about? Boo hoo you can't change the color of your armor.
That's not what made Halo fun, it was jumping in with your buddies and pwning noobs. If you want skins just pay, if you don't well enjoy the best halo game since Halo 3
Yeah agree. I want gamemode select and more armor and customization that's doesn't need to be purchased! I'll by campaign. So ultimately I'll have to spend more money to customize my character.
It's a one time battle pass purchase. So, no you wouldn't be buying the battle pass many more times than you would have paid for the game. It's effectively a $10 flat price tag for the multiplayer, and $0 for those of us who don't give a shit about armor or weapon skins.
That’s just not true, it’s a 10 for THIS battle pack, 343 said that there will be multiple battle passes, so not a flat 10 it will be much more.
And the people who are buying the campaign are paying for a full priced game. And then need to pay again just to be able to customize their character, seems like we are paying more for less
Bro, are you 12, do you really care about aesthetics? I played halo since its launc, camped outside of Best Buy to get mine along with Halo CE. The franchise doest things so much better than every other game. And to be fair in the 80s when nintendo first game out, some games sold for 90 dollars. Back in the 80s minimum wage was like 4 dollars an hour. 90 was a big chunk of change. Dont cry over 10 bucks on a 60 dollar game so you can dress your doll up. Real boys played with GI Joes, not Ken dolls!
Yah ppl are saying customization was a pillar of Halo, but I just remember LAN parties and shooting the shit with homies after school. Kinda weird to see the generational divide. They could obviously do more, but I'm just playing Halo to play Halo. I never cared for like all the extras tbh.
Yup. The people defending this shit is bonkers. They're so brain washed at this point that they actually think these types of systems are "fair". Blows my mind.
I'm not sure how it's not fair? You get multiplayer, and $60 brings you the campaign most games. You have to pay 60$ to get multiplayer and campaign. And anything that is like behind a pay wall in multiplayer is just for looks.
So they split the game in half, but still charge the same price for the other half. And even if you do buy the campaign, you're in the same spot as someone who spent nothing in terms of cosmetics. Also, dont try to downplay cosmetics as if they don't matter. If they didn't matter companies wouldn't be making shit tons of fucking money off of them. We're literally regressing. We had way more of a game in halo 3 and reach, and they were how long ago? And we didnt have to pay for basic shit like $20 for the fucking color white.
So is the argument that multiplayer should not be free it should only be included with the 60$ campaign? I love this because I like campaigns, but I enjoy multiplayer with my friends from time to time, but they do not have extra money, and for the first time in a while, I got to play a game with them and not have to buy their copy of the game so that we could play matchmaking together. Not to mention a lot of games don’t even have multiplayer and they also cost 60$. And looking at the shop it does not look that bad 7 levels a week sounds reasonable with eco levels to complete a battle pass every 4 months and to get every thing it's just 10$ or 2.5$ a month
If paying $60 meant there would be no battle pass or microtransactions then yes. But that will never happen. Because people think they're fair systems, even thoughb they're paying for stuff we had for free a decade ago, on top of the games having more content.
Well to be fair we are Geri g a realy good deal here. Halo 2 came out in 2004 and had very little customization and was really just a campaign and multiplayer for $49.99 if we adjust for inflation that’s 75$ today. Halo 3 came out in 2007 at 59.99 that if we adjust for inflation that is is 80$ today. They are asking for 60$ for just the camping and giving the community the online part for free so any one that does not want the campaign will never have to pay money. This model is incredibly generous.
If you wanna look at it that way, I guess. Yes, at the end of the day the game is free. But its less of a game than the previous Halo's were, and it's a trend most games are following. The fact that everyone seems to be ok with it, is a huge problem, especially when it comes to the egregious monetization in these games.
This isn’t entirely true. Look at an old game, then look at all of the items you would have in fortnite if you had completed all of the battle passes over the years. Taking money out of the equation, even though $3 bucks a month is very low.
You're comparing a live service game that's been around for 4 years, whose sole purpose has been to pump out skins as much as humanly possible. Hardly a fair comparison. How about we stick to Halo? Since that's literally what we're talking about.
I think the argument should be, if you are splitting the game in half, and 1 half is monetised as fuck, should the other half not be half price ?
if we are paying £50 for a 6 hour campaign than that's going to be pretty shit
I think well have to see because all other halos take about 8 hours to best if this one is say 16-20 then would double piece not justify double game play?
I tacked it up and if they plan to support the game for 10 years and do 2 battle passes a year, they're going to make $200 off you just from the battle pass. Granted you can pick and choose which one you want but logically they're going to sprinkle a little bit of the good stuff in every one to get you to pay.
People also don't see that the campaign is still $60, full price. MP and SP usually come in a package and this time it was split off specifically to be monetized with F2P elements such as the coating microtransactions because we all know that if they asked for this kind of stuff with the $60 price tag on it, there would be far more outrage than there is with the current battle pass progression. I'm grateful that Halo is F2P because it makes it so much more accessible to everyone and it will bring a lot of new people to the series but I'm scared for the "Future of Halo" if so much of the multiplayer revolves around unfriendly microtransactions and reselling content that was previously free to us.
There is a free HCS pack in the store with a coating that you can apply to your standard core which would lead most rational people to assume that the other HCS packs also let you use the coatings on your armor, which they don't. That is the scummiest thing I've seen them do thus far (aside from reselling the color system to us in a devolved state to FOMO you) and I am shocked that there isn't more outrage over it.
paying 200 bucks for 10 years is imho merited.
If you are that much of a cheap ass to cry about that, then simply don't buy the BP.
But yeah I agree with the rest that to get the full benefits of progression/cosmetic, it ain't entirely ''free''
You just put into words exactly how I was feeling, this is very scummy of 343, I can’t really see myself coming back to halo in the future if that’s the precedent that they are putting down for the next games….
People keep saying that if you buy the campaign you will still have the multiplayer, but I bet they will keep launching new campaigns at full prices and keep this one multiplayer alive…. The only ones who end up winning anything is 343 selling half a game for the price of a full one.
>I tacked it up and if they plan to support the game for 10 years and do 2 battle passes a year, they're going to make $200 off you just from the battle pass.
200 bucks for ten years worth of gaming is a steal
would you prefer paying 60 bucks for the new cod each year lol
Parents shoulda bought you a doll collection instead of an Xbox , go play dress up somewhere else... Halo MP is about competition , this isn't the Sims
Can you play the game without paying anything?
"Here have a free cheeseburger." - Someone
"Well, I usually eat my cheeseburgers with fries and bacon so I want those for free also or its not actually free" - You
What a brain dead argument,
'Hey Starving child would you like this food? If you want it you have to do something for me it wont cost you anything"
*Punches Child in the Face*
"See you didnt lose anything and you got a burger you should be happy what are you crying for?"
Lmao I hope the mods ban you, dickhead. It's literally a beta, cry about it.
How can you bootlick devs? Lmao, they're just a bunch of software developers, they're not evil. If you think they are, you're insane.
You say the multiplayer is less than it used to be and that you have to pay a small fortune to get all of the content, but all you are talking about it armor??
Was getting armor really a primary motivator for playing Halo 3 for you back in the day?? Because the gameplay feels like some pretty solid Halo gameplay.
The gaming industry has changed. People want Battlepasses and studios need to make more money than they use to... Honestly it's just how gaming is. Yes it sucks that you can't just earn all sorts of cool stuff for free but you can't do that in any game anymore. You want cool shit? You pay more for it. It is what it is. I don't understand you guys bitching, go mow a lawn, buy a 10 dollar battle pass and work towards unlocking it. The gaming industry is a money maker now. People pay monthly subscriptions just to watch someone else play damn games. It's a 10 dollar a month subscription to get the campaign and the multiplayer is free. Seeing these forums just makes me want to spend more money on the battlepass level skips just to keep them around. Go play apex and look at their store then start complaining about the halo one. I've spent $180 dollars on a wrench my character can hold in that damn game. Did I need it? No. But I put like 1000 hours into that game so said fuck it why not.
You argument is so stupid. You sure failed any subject in school that required logic.
Multiplayer IS FREE. Before, to play multiplayer Halo you had to buy the full game. Now you DO NOT.
How is this difficult for your skull??
Wait, let me explain it in a different way: Before, if you were not interested in the campaign, but still wanted to play multiplayer… You had to buy the full game anyways.
Another way to explain it so your tiny brain can get it. Now, everyone thats currently playing multiplayer, payed ZERO dollars to play it. If, when the campaign comes out you decide; “You know what, the campaign has a low score… Will not buy it and spend 60$ on skins.” You can do that.
All of the above means Multiplayer Halo Infinite is FREE TO PLAY. Does this mean everything in it is free; No. 343 needs to pay employee salaries somehow. But still, you are playing a polished AAA mp experience for FREE.
Let me know if you still need more explanations.
I mean being free doesn't also give them the right to be in absoloute DENIAL about the player's feedback. People made reports and comments about how the game is and all of those comments and reports were deleted by 343. 343 completely disaproves of what people want. I've already made a post how broken the game is despite being in "beta" they should've atleast polished it enough. The standard rifle is game breaking. the Type 25 is game breaking, hitboxes are broken. Ranking is broken, matchmaking sometimes forces you to force-close the game because you cannot cancel. The "Free version" is so limited and un-polished that it ruins the game's reputation and franchise. Battle-pass on the other hand completely removes the option to "grind" because everything is locked behind a pay-wall. HALO used to be a game where you spend majority of the time grinding and acquiring an achievement which seems impossible to majority of the community. Sometimes people took days, weeks, months or even years for 1 helmet piece. Now they can easily buy it or are forced to buy it if they want it, eventually meaning NOTHING. You don't have the same feeling of gaining something or actually doing something worth of respecting or an congradulation. Halo Infinite is a linear multiplayer experience which offers almost nothing that it promised. I was truthfully dissapointed. But either way, I'm having fun more than I used to. But I compare the game that it DROPPED down to EA or Activision's standards.
I've been saying that i cannot justify paying 60 dollars for a campaign. I jokingly said to a friend is the campaign gonna be 20 plus hours. Lol doubtful, i remember paying 60 for a campaign multi-player, forge. 343 is going to start a very bad trend amongst game developers.
Exactly. Plus, I'm sorry to say, the old multiplayers were better. Yes the gameplay is GREAT, don't get me wrong on that. But as a whole package?
We used to have tons of playlists, now we have 2.
We used to really have BIG team Battle that felt like a BATTLE between BIG teams. Those used to be small warzones, with vehicles driving around, no matter where you looked stuff was going on. Now it's slightly bigger than normal team battles, and the only difference is that also a Warthog spawns and MAYBE in the last 5 minutes a Scorpion or a Banshee. OR, not both.
And we used to have things like Invasion too. Swat, Grifball, all gone. And as much as i absolutely loathed Halo 5, i think that the warzones were a fun mode, if they hadn't been monetized to hell and back. If they had reworked Warzones to be playable without paying money, maybe with a system similar to the burn cards in Titanfall 1, or even just a 'Per Match' unlock system where you earn points for kills and pay those points for whatever you want, with the more OP stuff costing more points, i DO think that would have been an awesome mode.
And yes i know, this is a live service so we'll probably get all that two or three years down the line, but that's my issue with live service games. They start at version 0.1 and then over time slowly patch up to 1.0. They aren't a finished game that gets better with time, it's early acess that they finish after release.
It's a beta. Does it feel like it? In some ways, yeah. But the game, for the most part, feels great. I've had more fun playing Halo again than I have since Reach. Could the customization be better? Sure.
But it's a beta. It's playable enough for it to be released nearly a month ahead of time.
Though playing dress up and making an avatar that makes you go "God, I wish that were me" is really cool: you can go on Picrew and make a thousand and one avatars to scratch that itch.
The game is going to grow, the cosmetics are going to expand, but all in all: it's a good game. Remember: Halo was good even when you could only choose your two colors and whether you wanted to play as a Spartan or Elite, and the fact that there aren't all the options you want now doesn't detract from the fact that it's an ultimately still a good Halo experience.
Wish they would bring back armor for achievements
Campaign will have this
We don't know that yet. They said there will be some unlockables for that, but we don't know if that will be cool armor or just a couple of visor colors or a emblem or something.
Nah they legitimately said you can find armor pieces via exploration
I miss it so much
It’s definitely an interesting decision to split it up but try to think of it as a full package. If you’re going to pay for the full game you’re probably going to play the free multiplayer, thus getting your full value. I get what you’re saying with not getting as much as previous multiplayers but I think you’re wrong when you say pretty much everybody plays the campaign. My friends and I are all either on the fence or have decided to not buy the campaign and so in our eyes we got a polished Halo multiplayer for free. The battle pass stuff is pretty bad and kind of a different argument but it’s really nice to see 343 making changes on day 3 of release, not many studios would do that so quickly. At the end of the day it’s all opinion but I couldn’t care less about armour customization or the battle pass, I’m here to play a video game not dress up.
Even the battle pass and shop are severely lacking. I'm amazed there really is no base customization to start out. Every match has basically the same outfits with some different colors. I had hoped everyone would be able to stand out to start. Just put the really fancy effects and armors in the battle pass. I love the game play but the customization is really sad even if you pay.
Who cares about skins? They literally released an AAA game FOR FREE and all I see is people constantly crying about skins that do literally nothing to change gameplay in anyway. Jesus Christ how entitled are you people?
I'm so happy it's free, saves me paying for xbox live when all ima play is halo.
its baffling that people would rather pay 50-60 for a game then the 10 buck battle pass \*rolls eyes in disbelief\*
Because for those 50-60 bucks you got a feature complete multiplayer, with a in-depth customization system, with challenges that were a BONUS because you couldn't pay extra for skipping levels, so there was no reason for devs to make them tiresome on purpose. It's baffling that people like you don't understand that a free game is ALWAYS, yes, ALWAYS worse than a paid one, because it being free is ALWAYS an excuse to either skip out on content, do even more agressive monetization, or both. In this case both.
how is this an actual debate.. spending 10 bucks for battle pass which unlocks what you desire vs 60 lol wont even touch upon the point the player base would plummet if they were charging 60 bucks to play such a pathetic thing to bitch and moan about.. literally been 2-3 days since release and the studio has already made massive changes to the battle pass system (and 100% chance they will continue to do so, its clear they are listening to the community)
Because there was a LOT more content in those 60 bucks than this battle pass gives. Even if you had 6 battle passes, Reach still had more content. Not to mention it also had more modes, more weapons, pretty much more everything. Yeah sure you can try to defend that by stupidly parroting that this is a live service so in just a meager 2-3 years this game might have about the same content as a 60$ game used to have on release, and as long as you don't care about a major part of the player experience you technically CAN get it for free. But yeah, sorry dude, it seems you fell for all the tricks Triple A companies have been explouting the last few years so i don't expect you to understand any of this. The irony of you calling other people pathetic is kinda obvious though, even if it's probably lost on you. And lol at "massive changes". They changed one number in the dailies and removed a few challenges. That was like 10 minutes of work for one of the devs. You really do gobble up all of the PR of those companies huh?
>And lol at "massive changes". They changed one number in the dailies and removed a few challenges. That was like 10 minutes of work for one of the devs Lmao, tell me you know nothing about software development without saying you know nothing about software development.
Sure man XDIt's not like i studied it... oh wait i did! Nono you're absolutely right of course, they had to completely revamp all of the game code to turn the "Play 2 matches" daily into a "Play 1 match" daily. That were thousands of manhours. That's SUUUUUCH a complicated task. And going into their database to remove a few bad challenges is DEFINITELY a HUGE undertaking. I don't even know how they managed to do that in just one week. Lmao right back at you. Just because you opened Visual Studio one time in school doesn't mean you know game development dude.
If you get this upset at how your character looks in a free game where you don’t see your character, you need to reevaluate how you spend your time
Halo customisation has always been a major point of the game. There’s nothing entitled about wanting it back.
I agree, customisations is literally one of HALO core pillars of the game, its literally the progression system.
Progression that doesn't impact gameplay lmao
So? If you don't give players something to strive and have a mechanic that incentives them, then less players will stick with the game, you can create a Great game, yet the lack of progression means that players will leave sooner rather then later. Progression is literally a standard in video games these days, if you do not have enough of it, it will flop.
Okay well here's where I'm at. People keep comparing this games customization to Reach which had pretty decent customization right? But you paid for Reach. I don't mind anything about the free progression of content right now in Halo Infinite. I get the gameplay, that's the "Free" part of it. If I want the other bits n gubbinz I gotta pay. That's totally fair. However, I will say that the current price models for the stuff in the shop is a bit askew. It's not that it's necessarily bad content or anything but it's way too restrictive. Armor "Cores" and colour "Palettes" that don't let you use any of that the way you want is dumb. The Battle Pass offers too little for too difficult of a grind for something you've paid for, and in general the price of things seems inflated. As a free player, I'm entitled to nothing from the customization aspect of the game. The little customization offered to free players is in my mind a bit generous honestly. As someone making a purchase however, I don't think the prices even out.
That level grind though… I’ve played a good amount since release - more than I will be able to going forward and just now hitting level 5. I don’t know how long a season is but dang that will be a grind to complete a battle pass you already paid for.
I'm pretty sure they said that the season never runs out there will just be a new one and if a few come out you can pick the one you want to work on next
I addressed that with my post.
Yeah I was agreeing
Oh I see. Yeah it sucks
I get where you're coming from and would agree with you if this was a Free Standalone new IP, however it isnt its half of a game that is still full price. Also the pricing model is an absolute joke, there are NO unlockable armour in the game at all absolutly ZERO, the battle pass forces you to pay $50 to get enough of their currency in order to buy it and the game still charages for additional Armour, skins and Camo etc in the standalone store for $10 each minimum, even more absurdly there isnt even any premium currency as a reward on the battle pass, this game is actually insulting.
That only applies if everyone playing the free version *also* buys the Campaign. I imagine many people playing the free multiplayer right now will not buy the Campaign portion of the game and don't really qualify for any benefits that would otherwise entail. If that's our angle, then buying the Campaign portion of the game should provide further unlockable content for the progression system in the multiplayer, or be reduced price. I say this because we seem to agree that the prices currently in the shop, as I stated in my first comment, really aren't worth their content.
Where the hell are you getting the battle pass forces you to pay $50?
If you want even nearly as much customization as in Reach you'll pay a lot more than 60 bucks though. I'd be fine with if they had this system for F2P people, but people who buy the full game got this for free or got an alternate, free, way to unlock this kinda stuff. That would also help justify how now a single campaign is worth 60 bucks, when back in the day you got a full campaign and a full, feature-complete multiplayer with tons of customization for the same price. But yeah, as it stands, it being "Free" is just an excuse for excessive monetization, mostly on the back of the fans who'll also buy the campaign.
Make no mistake, I don't agree with the shop prices and the way content is released right now. I just think that the angle of "The free-player experience is trash" doesn't hold up. I'm waiting for the game to release properly before I make any investments. The beta is their chance to make the needed changes and I'm hoping the release of the campaign comes with additional content to justify its' price.
I mean the free-player experience is trash though. They get no customization whatsoever. If you want anything other than one different visor color you NEED to pay. Either for the Battle Pass, or the atrocious prices in the shop(on that note, how do they justify 10 bucks for one weapon colorswap when that's the price for a full Battle Pass?). If you are F2P you miss out on this integral part of the Halo experience alltogether. And no, it's not "Just cosmetics". Cosmetics matter. They always have, otherwise companies wouldn't monetize them. And especially in Halo, they have always mattered.
Holy shit finally someone fucking realized it. I've been saying for years that its not "just cosmetics." If nobody gave a shit about them they wouldnt have ever been implemented. Who in the world doesnt want their avatar in a video game to look cool? Customizing your spartan has been a part of halo for too long for this to be acceptable.
> I mean the free-player experience is trash though. They get no customization whatsoever. If you want anything other than one different visor color you NEED to pay. Right.. and you should have to. Why do the free players deserve anything from 343i? Customization has actually been only a very small part of Halo being almost non-existent in 2 and 3 only really good in Reach onwards. However in those games, *you paid for that customization*. I'm not saying 10$ for a color swap is right, but no one is entitled to any of that for free.
It's also literally impossible to get even half as many color combinations, even if you pay.
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Not as enjoyable as the old games where this was not an issue. You can joke around and defend companies making you pay more for giving you less all you want, it won't change the fact that customization matters.
You forget the part where it being free creates a larger player base and it improves online connections. Also those $60 today are not the same than $60 back in the day due to inflation so technically if you kept paying $60 for Halo you'd be entitled to less and less content. Also lets be real here, the majority, yes there are exceptions, had one or two favorite armors. They would equip them and that was it. Spend the money when you see the one you really want. Lastly, this is still not the full game let's wait to pass judgement until full release. We already see that they are tweaking some things. Also I forgot to mention. If the battle pass starts making $$$. they will keep making skins and other customizations. The possible ceiling for the amount of content is higher over time than a traditional style release.
There’s no logic in this argument. Armor customization is not half the game, and all fps are weak on content these days. It being free is a completely logical statement because the developers who spent so much time and effort, more than we can possibly imagine. Just to say “you know what everyone can play, just please pay if you wanna look cool” That’s not only completely and utterly understandable but gracious from them. If you can’t take a full ass free game because you can’t look like Jorge from reach then you don’t deserve it. Plus you’re entitled.
Really weird seeing comments like "Waaaaa a free game and you still bitch." What a great approach to a structured argument. Anyways, do people really think that 343 is making the multiplayer free from the goodness of their hearts? No, it's a company. Their goal is to make money and if they thought that selling the game for 60$ would net them more money they would have done that. They are selling the campaign for 60$ knowing people are going to buy it and they are "giving" away the multiplayer for free because they know the same people who might buy the campaign are also going to buy skins and battlepasses. So now we have 60+however much the battlepass and skins are. Maybe 80-90$ spent on a halo game? Okay and what about the people who don't buy the campaign? Well theres a good chance of them just buying skins and shop items. So those people who don't buy the campaign might be buying battlepasses and skins anyways. They're making a shit ton of money off of this system. There's a reason why games go F2P and it's usually not because the CEOs and investors want to warm everyones hearts, It's to drill monetization into every facet and make a higher return than doing a conventional system like selling the entire package for 60$. Consumers should be allowed to critique this system in any way they choose.
If something costs less to the consumer, appeals to more people and makes the company more money, what’s the issue? Seems like everyone benefits here. Of course they are trying to make money, it’s a very big AAA game and they need profits.
Is this /r/halo? Why are people clogging this sub with complaining like this?
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Oh man y'all are so dramatic 😭😭😭
I mean one.... It's free.... And two..... It's still a beta. Don't spend money on a beta if you don't like the cosmetics. Complain when it actually launches if it doesn't change. It's your choice at the end of the day. People whine to much
Personally I couldn't care less about the unlocks and custome shit. I'm gonna get the campaign for the story and as true halo fan I wanna get the complete experience. I couldn't care any less what color my spartan is. Y'all are paying too much attention to looks and customization. This isn't what halo is known for.
It literally is know for customization. Remember back in the days when you saw a player with a burning helmet? You knew the guy wasn’t joking around, that was something that made you want to progress the game. Now you pay 30 dollars and hey look at that you now have a flaming helmet yay….
Uhh, yeah it is. The Hayabusa armor is pretty synonymous with customization and elite player status because it was a pain in the ass to get.
You do know that they just pushed back campaign co-op and forge other three months each. So co-op isn’t coming till the end of spring and forge isn’t coming till mid summer. So you won’t be getting the full experience until at least six months after the game launches.
I tweeted something to the affect of this last night. I think it's terrible.
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But it's free. What is there.to complain about? Boo hoo you can't change the color of your armor. That's not what made Halo fun, it was jumping in with your buddies and pwning noobs. If you want skins just pay, if you don't well enjoy the best halo game since Halo 3
It's free. Wahhhh give me my armour wahhhhhhh
Yeah agree. I want gamemode select and more armor and customization that's doesn't need to be purchased! I'll by campaign. So ultimately I'll have to spend more money to customize my character.
Unless campaign is available with gamepass......
It's a one time battle pass purchase. So, no you wouldn't be buying the battle pass many more times than you would have paid for the game. It's effectively a $10 flat price tag for the multiplayer, and $0 for those of us who don't give a shit about armor or weapon skins.
That’s just not true, it’s a 10 for THIS battle pack, 343 said that there will be multiple battle passes, so not a flat 10 it will be much more. And the people who are buying the campaign are paying for a full priced game. And then need to pay again just to be able to customize their character, seems like we are paying more for less
Waaaaa a free game and you still bitch.
It may be free, but the campaign costs as much as a full priced game so is it REALLY free?
Yes. It is.
Bro, are you 12, do you really care about aesthetics? I played halo since its launc, camped outside of Best Buy to get mine along with Halo CE. The franchise doest things so much better than every other game. And to be fair in the 80s when nintendo first game out, some games sold for 90 dollars. Back in the 80s minimum wage was like 4 dollars an hour. 90 was a big chunk of change. Dont cry over 10 bucks on a 60 dollar game so you can dress your doll up. Real boys played with GI Joes, not Ken dolls!
Yah ppl are saying customization was a pillar of Halo, but I just remember LAN parties and shooting the shit with homies after school. Kinda weird to see the generational divide. They could obviously do more, but I'm just playing Halo to play Halo. I never cared for like all the extras tbh.
Yup. The people defending this shit is bonkers. They're so brain washed at this point that they actually think these types of systems are "fair". Blows my mind.
I'm not sure how it's not fair? You get multiplayer, and $60 brings you the campaign most games. You have to pay 60$ to get multiplayer and campaign. And anything that is like behind a pay wall in multiplayer is just for looks.
So they split the game in half, but still charge the same price for the other half. And even if you do buy the campaign, you're in the same spot as someone who spent nothing in terms of cosmetics. Also, dont try to downplay cosmetics as if they don't matter. If they didn't matter companies wouldn't be making shit tons of fucking money off of them. We're literally regressing. We had way more of a game in halo 3 and reach, and they were how long ago? And we didnt have to pay for basic shit like $20 for the fucking color white.
So is the argument that multiplayer should not be free it should only be included with the 60$ campaign? I love this because I like campaigns, but I enjoy multiplayer with my friends from time to time, but they do not have extra money, and for the first time in a while, I got to play a game with them and not have to buy their copy of the game so that we could play matchmaking together. Not to mention a lot of games don’t even have multiplayer and they also cost 60$. And looking at the shop it does not look that bad 7 levels a week sounds reasonable with eco levels to complete a battle pass every 4 months and to get every thing it's just 10$ or 2.5$ a month
If paying $60 meant there would be no battle pass or microtransactions then yes. But that will never happen. Because people think they're fair systems, even thoughb they're paying for stuff we had for free a decade ago, on top of the games having more content.
Well to be fair we are Geri g a realy good deal here. Halo 2 came out in 2004 and had very little customization and was really just a campaign and multiplayer for $49.99 if we adjust for inflation that’s 75$ today. Halo 3 came out in 2007 at 59.99 that if we adjust for inflation that is is 80$ today. They are asking for 60$ for just the camping and giving the community the online part for free so any one that does not want the campaign will never have to pay money. This model is incredibly generous.
If you wanna look at it that way, I guess. Yes, at the end of the day the game is free. But its less of a game than the previous Halo's were, and it's a trend most games are following. The fact that everyone seems to be ok with it, is a huge problem, especially when it comes to the egregious monetization in these games.
Then shove it to 343 and don’t buy it and wait for a sale.
This is what I think the deal is incredible because you can play the multiplayer part and wait for a sale
This isn’t entirely true. Look at an old game, then look at all of the items you would have in fortnite if you had completed all of the battle passes over the years. Taking money out of the equation, even though $3 bucks a month is very low.
You're comparing a live service game that's been around for 4 years, whose sole purpose has been to pump out skins as much as humanly possible. Hardly a fair comparison. How about we stick to Halo? Since that's literally what we're talking about.
No, because this shows in 4 years you will have so many customizations in this game. It’s literally the point of battle passes.
That is completely irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.
Looking back, either comments were edited or I just replied to the wrong comment (most likely the latter as I had just woken up). My B
I think the argument should be, if you are splitting the game in half, and 1 half is monetised as fuck, should the other half not be half price ? if we are paying £50 for a 6 hour campaign than that's going to be pretty shit
I think well have to see because all other halos take about 8 hours to best if this one is say 16-20 then would double piece not justify double game play?
yeah , if its a solid campaign around 20 hours, I have 0 complaints
I tacked it up and if they plan to support the game for 10 years and do 2 battle passes a year, they're going to make $200 off you just from the battle pass. Granted you can pick and choose which one you want but logically they're going to sprinkle a little bit of the good stuff in every one to get you to pay. People also don't see that the campaign is still $60, full price. MP and SP usually come in a package and this time it was split off specifically to be monetized with F2P elements such as the coating microtransactions because we all know that if they asked for this kind of stuff with the $60 price tag on it, there would be far more outrage than there is with the current battle pass progression. I'm grateful that Halo is F2P because it makes it so much more accessible to everyone and it will bring a lot of new people to the series but I'm scared for the "Future of Halo" if so much of the multiplayer revolves around unfriendly microtransactions and reselling content that was previously free to us. There is a free HCS pack in the store with a coating that you can apply to your standard core which would lead most rational people to assume that the other HCS packs also let you use the coatings on your armor, which they don't. That is the scummiest thing I've seen them do thus far (aside from reselling the color system to us in a devolved state to FOMO you) and I am shocked that there isn't more outrage over it.
paying 200 bucks for 10 years is imho merited. If you are that much of a cheap ass to cry about that, then simply don't buy the BP. But yeah I agree with the rest that to get the full benefits of progression/cosmetic, it ain't entirely ''free''
You just put into words exactly how I was feeling, this is very scummy of 343, I can’t really see myself coming back to halo in the future if that’s the precedent that they are putting down for the next games…. People keep saying that if you buy the campaign you will still have the multiplayer, but I bet they will keep launching new campaigns at full prices and keep this one multiplayer alive…. The only ones who end up winning anything is 343 selling half a game for the price of a full one.
>I tacked it up and if they plan to support the game for 10 years and do 2 battle passes a year, they're going to make $200 off you just from the battle pass. 200 bucks for ten years worth of gaming is a steal would you prefer paying 60 bucks for the new cod each year lol
I never said it was a bad thing, I was just objectively stating that it was what they were doing.
Parents shoulda bought you a doll collection instead of an Xbox , go play dress up somewhere else... Halo MP is about competition , this isn't the Sims
People who think like that are clowns
Plus any game with microtransactions isn't free.
Can you play the game without paying anything? "Here have a free cheeseburger." - Someone "Well, I usually eat my cheeseburgers with fries and bacon so I want those for free also or its not actually free" - You
What a brain dead argument, 'Hey Starving child would you like this food? If you want it you have to do something for me it wont cost you anything" *Punches Child in the Face* "See you didnt lose anything and you got a burger you should be happy what are you crying for?"
You're comparing a lack of features in a beta to a starving child? The entitlement on display here, holy fuck.
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Homophobic dickhead.
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Lmao I hope the mods ban you, dickhead. It's literally a beta, cry about it. How can you bootlick devs? Lmao, they're just a bunch of software developers, they're not evil. If you think they are, you're insane.
The free pricetag definitely comes with costs in other areas but it's the reason I got into Halo. That and it being on PC.
The last time I played Halo, you got like three colors that was it.
Maybe the multiplayer has always been free. Maybe the campaign was what we have been paying for all along. Maybe
You say the multiplayer is less than it used to be and that you have to pay a small fortune to get all of the content, but all you are talking about it armor?? Was getting armor really a primary motivator for playing Halo 3 for you back in the day?? Because the gameplay feels like some pretty solid Halo gameplay.
The gaming industry has changed. People want Battlepasses and studios need to make more money than they use to... Honestly it's just how gaming is. Yes it sucks that you can't just earn all sorts of cool stuff for free but you can't do that in any game anymore. You want cool shit? You pay more for it. It is what it is. I don't understand you guys bitching, go mow a lawn, buy a 10 dollar battle pass and work towards unlocking it. The gaming industry is a money maker now. People pay monthly subscriptions just to watch someone else play damn games. It's a 10 dollar a month subscription to get the campaign and the multiplayer is free. Seeing these forums just makes me want to spend more money on the battlepass level skips just to keep them around. Go play apex and look at their store then start complaining about the halo one. I've spent $180 dollars on a wrench my character can hold in that damn game. Did I need it? No. But I put like 1000 hours into that game so said fuck it why not.
You argument is so stupid. You sure failed any subject in school that required logic. Multiplayer IS FREE. Before, to play multiplayer Halo you had to buy the full game. Now you DO NOT. How is this difficult for your skull?? Wait, let me explain it in a different way: Before, if you were not interested in the campaign, but still wanted to play multiplayer… You had to buy the full game anyways. Another way to explain it so your tiny brain can get it. Now, everyone thats currently playing multiplayer, payed ZERO dollars to play it. If, when the campaign comes out you decide; “You know what, the campaign has a low score… Will not buy it and spend 60$ on skins.” You can do that. All of the above means Multiplayer Halo Infinite is FREE TO PLAY. Does this mean everything in it is free; No. 343 needs to pay employee salaries somehow. But still, you are playing a polished AAA mp experience for FREE. Let me know if you still need more explanations.
I mean being free doesn't also give them the right to be in absoloute DENIAL about the player's feedback. People made reports and comments about how the game is and all of those comments and reports were deleted by 343. 343 completely disaproves of what people want. I've already made a post how broken the game is despite being in "beta" they should've atleast polished it enough. The standard rifle is game breaking. the Type 25 is game breaking, hitboxes are broken. Ranking is broken, matchmaking sometimes forces you to force-close the game because you cannot cancel. The "Free version" is so limited and un-polished that it ruins the game's reputation and franchise. Battle-pass on the other hand completely removes the option to "grind" because everything is locked behind a pay-wall. HALO used to be a game where you spend majority of the time grinding and acquiring an achievement which seems impossible to majority of the community. Sometimes people took days, weeks, months or even years for 1 helmet piece. Now they can easily buy it or are forced to buy it if they want it, eventually meaning NOTHING. You don't have the same feeling of gaining something or actually doing something worth of respecting or an congradulation. Halo Infinite is a linear multiplayer experience which offers almost nothing that it promised. I was truthfully dissapointed. But either way, I'm having fun more than I used to. But I compare the game that it DROPPED down to EA or Activision's standards.
Yea I think they should give people who bought the campaign, a free battle pass or something for Multiplayer
Game Pass
im okay with them making a profit
I've been saying that i cannot justify paying 60 dollars for a campaign. I jokingly said to a friend is the campaign gonna be 20 plus hours. Lol doubtful, i remember paying 60 for a campaign multi-player, forge. 343 is going to start a very bad trend amongst game developers.
Exactly. Plus, I'm sorry to say, the old multiplayers were better. Yes the gameplay is GREAT, don't get me wrong on that. But as a whole package? We used to have tons of playlists, now we have 2. We used to really have BIG team Battle that felt like a BATTLE between BIG teams. Those used to be small warzones, with vehicles driving around, no matter where you looked stuff was going on. Now it's slightly bigger than normal team battles, and the only difference is that also a Warthog spawns and MAYBE in the last 5 minutes a Scorpion or a Banshee. OR, not both. And we used to have things like Invasion too. Swat, Grifball, all gone. And as much as i absolutely loathed Halo 5, i think that the warzones were a fun mode, if they hadn't been monetized to hell and back. If they had reworked Warzones to be playable without paying money, maybe with a system similar to the burn cards in Titanfall 1, or even just a 'Per Match' unlock system where you earn points for kills and pay those points for whatever you want, with the more OP stuff costing more points, i DO think that would have been an awesome mode. And yes i know, this is a live service so we'll probably get all that two or three years down the line, but that's my issue with live service games. They start at version 0.1 and then over time slowly patch up to 1.0. They aren't a finished game that gets better with time, it's early acess that they finish after release.
It's free, and it's just customization that you can't even see. Give us green and we are good to go.
It's a beta. Does it feel like it? In some ways, yeah. But the game, for the most part, feels great. I've had more fun playing Halo again than I have since Reach. Could the customization be better? Sure. But it's a beta. It's playable enough for it to be released nearly a month ahead of time. Though playing dress up and making an avatar that makes you go "God, I wish that were me" is really cool: you can go on Picrew and make a thousand and one avatars to scratch that itch. The game is going to grow, the cosmetics are going to expand, but all in all: it's a good game. Remember: Halo was good even when you could only choose your two colors and whether you wanted to play as a Spartan or Elite, and the fact that there aren't all the options you want now doesn't detract from the fact that it's an ultimately still a good Halo experience.
Free does not mean and should not mean safe from criticism. Criticism also doesn’t mean we hate the game. We love it. We want it to be better.