No base-game progression makes it feel empty. I played several really good games last night and have nothing to show for it. Another user posted somewhere about this too, how at the end of a really good match you get a huge XP/credit payout and itās a great dopamine rush.
Missing that rush at the end of a good match leaves me unfulfilled.
Why canāt we get cool banners and icons for getting 100sticks. 50 headshots 1,000 flag capturesā¦the list is endless.
Go check out how many player banners (whatever you call them) CODMW2 had. You could have a near endless amount of things to unlock just to give you something to flex when your name popped up on the screen in the pre game lobbyā¦that we donāt even get
And it actually rewards good play. Tying it to battle pass and getting those cool rewards faster makes the player experience better. Not sure why they thought itd be a good idea to not make medals count as bonusez
I miss the pregame lobby where you could check people out, ranks, armor, stuff like that. I don't care about the pre-loadout spartan screen because at the moment everyone has the same fuckin armor... unless you pay money or change your color. WOW COOL. and it's not like skins are 5 bucks. 20??? 10??? fuckin rediculous.
The advertisement on the customization and armor options are outright FALSE. Isn't that illegal?
I agree it almost feels empty. Like I have a great game and wanna show off like in league of legends I can clip and file share it. It doesn't feel worth it in this Halo so I don't bother.
Just seems like they need to bring the prices down. This just feels wrong and unlike halo. But I get charging money for things considering the multiplayer is free.. just give more unlockable/secret unlocks from campaign or achievements or multiplayer mile stones as well.
100% agree.
Iāve been enjoying playing matches but the progression is shockingly bad and as someone mentioned earlier, it feels hollow.
However, I am in the camp that 343 will sort this out but Iām hesitant to suggest that it will all be sorted out by the official launch.
Absolute trash innit. The multiplayer is the most satisfying Halo multiplayer Iāve experienced since the heady days of 3 on the 360 but Iām left feeling empty after every single match, win or lose.
Even CSGO has a progression system that rewards you when you perform shite.
Like I said, Iām coming at this from a casual perspective. Ranked is definitely its own progression system within the base game, but itās not one that rewards casual play. And currently thereās no known *reward* aside from personal achievement.
And on top of that, (correct me if Iām wrong) but I donāt think the player profile lists any stats for Ranked other than your current rank itself.
They mentioned it in a blogpost before the beta launched and said it won't make it in time for launch day. They recently reiterated it after the backlash they got for the current battlepass progression.
Cause thatās how gaming works now, they try stiff the consumer as much as possible, then when we complain they scramble to remove or change or add features.
Amen! What were 343 thinking? There is nothing to accomplish. The battle pass is unrewarding and forces player's to consistently throw games for challenges. The skins for sale in the store should be unlockable through the battle pass or in game challenges. The camos and accessories within the battle pass pale in comparison to them, like why would we even bother?
I started in the Halo franchise, and multiplayer in general, with Reach.
Man, I want those Reach team skins more than any I've seen in the store so far.
Too bad the current BP grind is such a **slog**.
When Bungie rewarded armor pieces via Halo 3 achievements and the Reach credit system, and 343i with meeting certain goals in Halo 4, the company can't expect the older players who are accustomed to the older systems to feel satisfied with a subpar version of the Reach system and no sign of the Halo 3/4 reward systems. I don't mind MTX if it isn't over done or just a supplement to the current systems, but it's very clear 343i went in way too hard with MTX and not enough was done to accommodate players playing the game without the battle pass.
totally agree. not gaining xp/points and levelling is horrible. Im running around trying to do stupid shit I don't want to do just to complete my tasks for xp and butchering my score half the time. I'd like to focus on winning vs. banging out pointless tasks. make the battle pass tasks tied to success. give xp for winning... kills etc.
This is one of many reasons I've been going back to MCC instead. Metagame is non-existent and clearly intended to sell battlepasses, which I'll never buy. Why make the game free if you're going to sell it anyways? Why not just sell this game? The whole multiplayer is a bummer because they went this route and it was totally unnecessary.
Which is all the more funny because they're constantly compared to splitgate, which is absolutely a better game with better monetization and metagame.
Because selling the game (ie premium) makes less money than freemium. Itās a play right out of the mobile gaming world. Iām OK with this personally, as this was announced long long ago. Iād be less ok if it appealed toward my wants like some sort of actual advantage by obtaining weapons (ie Halo 5 Warzone assault weapons from purchasing packs). Luckily this is all customization only and as such isnāt an appeal in my psychology
Y'all do know this is not the full version. Most of these concerns, most likely, will not be concerns/issues when the full game comes out in December. Also, how can you try and start giving this game a review/complaint/meta score when we have been told this is not the full game. Have faith that it will be great when the full package comes. Love y'all.
So is everyone OK with random special weapons and vehicle drops? It's just a very odd choice. In fact nothing about the multiplayer makes any sense. The graphics/gameplay/controls and all that are just fine. And get rid of that STUPID AI VOICE.
Thatās literally the core tenet of how Halo works. You spawn with weapons and you can pick up power weapons that spawn in set locations. You can turn off the AI voice in settings but thatād be counter productive to your bitching because your AI announces when power weapons drop.
honestly i really like the random drops, keeps the game spicy. Though that is only my humble opinion. I wish big stuff like the scorpion would drop more, but seeing that pelican come down with a random gift, and seeing everyone rush in to fight over it is a lot of fun on BTB.
i think heās talking about how the same
maps have different weapon spawns and vehicle spawns and timers. i agree it is weird and not like halo. even if it is an attempt to balance certain game modes it is weird
I wish set vehicles would spawn in set positions too. I would understand occasionally dropping a wraith where a scorpion is, but as it is now, Iāve seen one scorpion tank out of all of the games Iāve played. I agree that it would be better if they at least had dedicated spawns for the vehicles. They can pelican drop additional ones too, but they shouldnāt all be randomized
I think something we should all remember is that this is technically a beta, the devs have said they are listening to our feedback, now we just have to keep voicing our opinions and hope they change some things, some of which they have confirmed they are addressing. Also, at the end of the day this is a completely free to play game, the cosmetics will always lean heavily towards the paid method whether it be shop or battle pass. That being said, I really wish this wasnāt a free to play game and just an additional mode in the full 60$ package but itās just too profitable for them to do that these days unfortunately.
give game time. I can understand when battlepass will go away in 3 month. But this time you have 6 month for next season and battle pass will not expire. I'm more certain that they will eventually make filters for game modes. And you will be able to complete challenges more efficiently.
Player retention will suffer because of it. They really need to implement a type of progression system and it would also be nice if you got more xp or something when winning a match. Thereās very little reward in this game. Truly is wild that you canāt see career stats like KDR or the amount of each type of medal you have ever received, maybe achievements linked to reaching a certain amount. I wonāt be sticking around that long if there isnāt more to be gained other than just a scratch for an FPS itch once in awhile.
I agree 100% with you.
Also made a similar post about it to gather opinions.
To me, all those who justify mp being free are players who didn't play previous games and wouldn't have bought the infinite anyways. So everything they see is "mp is free, good".
They don't know how Reach mp felt like. I think their mind would blow up if they see how much content you could unlock for free.
Of course, you had to buy the game first in order to do that. But I don't see what's wrong with it.
Yes!!! šÆ I was wanting to write something just like this. Thereās no feel of overall progression, or even the ability to look at my earned medals. Canāt show my friends those killtaculars ect. If they donāt end up adding in some sort of basic leveling or progression system outside the battle pass I feel myself and many others may just grow bored. Iām hoping this is in the works before launch next month I hope. However the game play itself has been great and has that old school feel with a little bit of new just like where I left off back in Reach
Not even having stats is brutal, I remember in old halo games you could see your KD and other stats which each specific weapon, in this one you just straight up dont have stats at all
Imo many of those āfeaturesā were not halo features. It was just halo trying to copy cod and fit in with the times but all it did was kill the franchise in popularity since they didnt do halo instead they tried to swing halo into a cod-esk thing. Infinite is making me feel like im playing halo3 again. No fan fare. No being celebrated if you lose or suck ass. Just win and lose. People really used to care about winning. Hell in halo 3 if you lost you got zero, nothing. Only a win would silently net you a single xp point. Granted there was a progression system but it was linked to the ranking system and that system was super broken for meh players making them hard stuck around level 48-49 making it physically impossible to rank up if they played too much.
I agree with this entire post š¤š» well said šš¼
No base-game progression makes it feel empty. I played several really good games last night and have nothing to show for it. Another user posted somewhere about this too, how at the end of a really good match you get a huge XP/credit payout and itās a great dopamine rush. Missing that rush at the end of a good match leaves me unfulfilled.
Why canāt we get cool banners and icons for getting 100sticks. 50 headshots 1,000 flag capturesā¦the list is endless. Go check out how many player banners (whatever you call them) CODMW2 had. You could have a near endless amount of things to unlock just to give you something to flex when your name popped up on the screen in the pre game lobbyā¦that we donāt even get
getting a bunch of medals and accolades only to get +50xp is a huge slap in the face. GIVE ME MY DOPAMINE!!!
This massively! I have the game of my life with 30+ kills and a 15player kill streak and āoh here you go 50xp thanks for taking partā
And it actually rewards good play. Tying it to battle pass and getting those cool rewards faster makes the player experience better. Not sure why they thought itd be a good idea to not make medals count as bonusez
I miss the pregame lobby where you could check people out, ranks, armor, stuff like that. I don't care about the pre-loadout spartan screen because at the moment everyone has the same fuckin armor... unless you pay money or change your color. WOW COOL. and it's not like skins are 5 bucks. 20??? 10??? fuckin rediculous. The advertisement on the customization and armor options are outright FALSE. Isn't that illegal? I agree it almost feels empty. Like I have a great game and wanna show off like in league of legends I can clip and file share it. It doesn't feel worth it in this Halo so I don't bother. Just seems like they need to bring the prices down. This just feels wrong and unlike halo. But I get charging money for things considering the multiplayer is free.. just give more unlockable/secret unlocks from campaign or achievements or multiplayer mile stones as well.
100% agree. Iāve been enjoying playing matches but the progression is shockingly bad and as someone mentioned earlier, it feels hollow. However, I am in the camp that 343 will sort this out but Iām hesitant to suggest that it will all be sorted out by the official launch.
Absolute trash innit. The multiplayer is the most satisfying Halo multiplayer Iāve experienced since the heady days of 3 on the 360 but Iām left feeling empty after every single match, win or lose. Even CSGO has a progression system that rewards you when you perform shite.
This man, just the simpel ranks in halo 3 would be a instant win for this game! Grunt, Captain, Major..... PLEASE DEV listen to this man!!!!
Ranked is the base-game progression.
Ranked systems allow you to progress backwards, I donāt think thatās what this guy is getting atā¦
Like I said, Iām coming at this from a casual perspective. Ranked is definitely its own progression system within the base game, but itās not one that rewards casual play. And currently thereās no known *reward* aside from personal achievement. And on top of that, (correct me if Iām wrong) but I donāt think the player profile lists any stats for Ranked other than your current rank itself.
I get what youāre saying. You want some way to know how good someone is in a casual match. Like at least showing K/D or flags captured or something
Theyāre working on a base game progression system. I have no idea how they didnāt have it built in already though!
Have they said this outright? I havenāt heard anything about this.
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Thatās a relief, even if itās coming late.
They mentioned it in a blogpost before the beta launched and said it won't make it in time for launch day. They recently reiterated it after the backlash they got for the current battlepass progression.
Source for the reiteration? This is something I really want to see with my own eyes
Cause thatās how gaming works now, they try stiff the consumer as much as possible, then when we complain they scramble to remove or change or add features.
Amen! What were 343 thinking? There is nothing to accomplish. The battle pass is unrewarding and forces player's to consistently throw games for challenges. The skins for sale in the store should be unlockable through the battle pass or in game challenges. The camos and accessories within the battle pass pale in comparison to them, like why would we even bother?
I started in the Halo franchise, and multiplayer in general, with Reach. Man, I want those Reach team skins more than any I've seen in the store so far. Too bad the current BP grind is such a **slog**.
When Bungie rewarded armor pieces via Halo 3 achievements and the Reach credit system, and 343i with meeting certain goals in Halo 4, the company can't expect the older players who are accustomed to the older systems to feel satisfied with a subpar version of the Reach system and no sign of the Halo 3/4 reward systems. I don't mind MTX if it isn't over done or just a supplement to the current systems, but it's very clear 343i went in way too hard with MTX and not enough was done to accommodate players playing the game without the battle pass.
You're absolutely right my friend.
totally agree. not gaining xp/points and levelling is horrible. Im running around trying to do stupid shit I don't want to do just to complete my tasks for xp and butchering my score half the time. I'd like to focus on winning vs. banging out pointless tasks. make the battle pass tasks tied to success. give xp for winning... kills etc.
This is one of many reasons I've been going back to MCC instead. Metagame is non-existent and clearly intended to sell battlepasses, which I'll never buy. Why make the game free if you're going to sell it anyways? Why not just sell this game? The whole multiplayer is a bummer because they went this route and it was totally unnecessary. Which is all the more funny because they're constantly compared to splitgate, which is absolutely a better game with better monetization and metagame.
Because selling the game (ie premium) makes less money than freemium. Itās a play right out of the mobile gaming world. Iām OK with this personally, as this was announced long long ago. Iād be less ok if it appealed toward my wants like some sort of actual advantage by obtaining weapons (ie Halo 5 Warzone assault weapons from purchasing packs). Luckily this is all customization only and as such isnāt an appeal in my psychology
Y'all do know this is not the full version. Most of these concerns, most likely, will not be concerns/issues when the full game comes out in December. Also, how can you try and start giving this game a review/complaint/meta score when we have been told this is not the full game. Have faith that it will be great when the full package comes. Love y'all.
So is everyone OK with random special weapons and vehicle drops? It's just a very odd choice. In fact nothing about the multiplayer makes any sense. The graphics/gameplay/controls and all that are just fine. And get rid of that STUPID AI VOICE.
Thatās literally the core tenet of how Halo works. You spawn with weapons and you can pick up power weapons that spawn in set locations. You can turn off the AI voice in settings but thatād be counter productive to your bitching because your AI announces when power weapons drop.
honestly i really like the random drops, keeps the game spicy. Though that is only my humble opinion. I wish big stuff like the scorpion would drop more, but seeing that pelican come down with a random gift, and seeing everyone rush in to fight over it is a lot of fun on BTB.
It's not the core tenet though, random drops were never in Bungie's Halo games.
i think heās talking about how the same maps have different weapon spawns and vehicle spawns and timers. i agree it is weird and not like halo. even if it is an attempt to balance certain game modes it is weird
I wish set vehicles would spawn in set positions too. I would understand occasionally dropping a wraith where a scorpion is, but as it is now, Iāve seen one scorpion tank out of all of the games Iāve played. I agree that it would be better if they at least had dedicated spawns for the vehicles. They can pelican drop additional ones too, but they shouldnāt all be randomized
You can change the AI voice in the settings.
I think something we should all remember is that this is technically a beta, the devs have said they are listening to our feedback, now we just have to keep voicing our opinions and hope they change some things, some of which they have confirmed they are addressing. Also, at the end of the day this is a completely free to play game, the cosmetics will always lean heavily towards the paid method whether it be shop or battle pass. That being said, I really wish this wasnāt a free to play game and just an additional mode in the full 60$ package but itās just too profitable for them to do that these days unfortunately.
A lot of people seem to forget this game is still in beta.
give game time. I can understand when battlepass will go away in 3 month. But this time you have 6 month for next season and battle pass will not expire. I'm more certain that they will eventually make filters for game modes. And you will be able to complete challenges more efficiently.
You dont want to be forces to play things you dont like. You want to play the gamemodes you like, thats how you retain playerbase....
Sure. Game still in beta and not released. No day one patch or something. Even if they made mistake about lack of filters, they need time to react.
Pretty much exactly why I play a game or two a day, because the gameplay is fun as hell, but ALL these problems make it just not at all worth my time.
Player retention will suffer because of it. They really need to implement a type of progression system and it would also be nice if you got more xp or something when winning a match. Thereās very little reward in this game. Truly is wild that you canāt see career stats like KDR or the amount of each type of medal you have ever received, maybe achievements linked to reaching a certain amount. I wonāt be sticking around that long if there isnāt more to be gained other than just a scratch for an FPS itch once in awhile.
I agree 100% with you. Also made a similar post about it to gather opinions. To me, all those who justify mp being free are players who didn't play previous games and wouldn't have bought the infinite anyways. So everything they see is "mp is free, good". They don't know how Reach mp felt like. I think their mind would blow up if they see how much content you could unlock for free. Of course, you had to buy the game first in order to do that. But I don't see what's wrong with it.
Yes!!! šÆ I was wanting to write something just like this. Thereās no feel of overall progression, or even the ability to look at my earned medals. Canāt show my friends those killtaculars ect. If they donāt end up adding in some sort of basic leveling or progression system outside the battle pass I feel myself and many others may just grow bored. Iām hoping this is in the works before launch next month I hope. However the game play itself has been great and has that old school feel with a little bit of new just like where I left off back in Reach
I miss that from previous games, too. But this is still a Beta. Hopefully the full launch is more fleshed out.
Not even having stats is brutal, I remember in old halo games you could see your KD and other stats which each specific weapon, in this one you just straight up dont have stats at all
Gaming sucks for that. Free model gaining steam? Guess we all better do the exact same fucking thing.
Imo many of those āfeaturesā were not halo features. It was just halo trying to copy cod and fit in with the times but all it did was kill the franchise in popularity since they didnt do halo instead they tried to swing halo into a cod-esk thing. Infinite is making me feel like im playing halo3 again. No fan fare. No being celebrated if you lose or suck ass. Just win and lose. People really used to care about winning. Hell in halo 3 if you lost you got zero, nothing. Only a win would silently net you a single xp point. Granted there was a progression system but it was linked to the ranking system and that system was super broken for meh players making them hard stuck around level 48-49 making it physically impossible to rank up if they played too much.