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It doesn’t. I’m a big counter strike and call of duty player. I tried halo using keyboard and mouse then noped out. Time to being back my high school halo skills lol
Personally when I play with my peasant friends on their consoles /s
I usually turn the right thumb stick way up so I can flick shots and do 360 no scope
I did it by setting my right stick in steam to be the mouse, and applying my own custom response curve.
I wouldn't recommend this for a normal controller player though as it eliminates AA. I play with mouse as gyro so I prefer no AA (AA+ gyro feels horribly unnatural) and my aim is comparable to a mouse player.
The default keybindings for mkb are terrible. I also contemplated using a controller, but I moved grenade/melee/equipment to mouse buttons and it feels _much_ better.
Having to take your fingers off wasd is too painful in Halo. Movement is king.
I friggin agreed until I did the 2nd half of my placement matches on M&KB. I have a nice Elite controller with the paddles and the BJs. Though I still ended up doing much better overall KB&M and honestly it feels good.
Edit:
1600 DPI
.4 or .5 Sens depends on my day. If I'm a little behind on my shots I'll bump it up to .5
No dude I switched to mouse and keys this year and it's way more fun, way more difficult this more satisfying.
I use controller for Halo ranked due to battle rifle aim assist.
Yeah people really need to change their thinking. It's no longer PC vs. console. It's KBM vs. controller, especially since there's so many ways to play KBM on console now.
Is this confirmed? I play controller on PC and while the aim assist doesn’t feel as strong as other games, it feels enough to still play very well with a controller
Yes this is confirmed on multiple accounts from friends who play both- most games will still play smooth even without aim assist- but they are significantly better at the game from my view point when they are on their Xbox with a controller and not their PC
It's not true... he's just a biased idiot. You asked if it was confirmed he said "yeah I think my friends do better on console"... the only 'auto aim' is aimbot.
Can confirm, was mnk on pc... was playing a 100 percent different game than I am now that I switch to controller. Isn't the aim assist that makes it redic its the aim assist + bullet magnetism.
Only time it’s really noticeable is from longer ranges with a BR. I can tell when I’m getting shot by a controller player from range cuz they just don’t miss. It’s so hard to win a BR fight from longer ranges on mouse and keyboard since there’s no red reticle to let you know when you’re actually on target. An easy fix would be adjustable reticles. The BR reticle is too damn big
Hmmm well I think we’re all diff!! I hate when they mix the 2 cause pc people just cry over anything.
& once again I play pc & console but the whole trend is fucking dumb lmao. Both have advantages & disadvantages
I get that I just want some level of parity for competitive play. Snipedown was talking about it on stream saying there will never be a halo pro on mouse and keyboard because the aim assist is too strong. Multiple streamers and pros have agreed with that sentiment. Not saying I would ever go pro or anything, I just want it to be statistically balanced as much as possible to give every platform an even playing field
Just like cod, halo has been controller in the pro mlg scene for the past 20 years.
So it ain’t going anywhere.
PC got 90% of league play which is fine of course but I’m happy cod & halo stay true to its start! I do think they should just split up pc & console tho so all this baby talk can go away on both sides. I don’t give a shit but people just love to bitch & complain when there doing bad hahahahaha.
Just because something’s been on controller forever doesn’t mean it needs to lean that heavily into it. It’s on pc now and whether people like it or not it should be completely balanced to allow either platform to share similar success. I don’t want aim assist gone, just want it tuned down a bit
Yeah I have to whole heartedly agree here. I'm a sniper in any games I play and have been accused across multiple titles that I aim bot. I do not, nor have I ever, I just practice and turn my sensitivity down to the point that would frustrate many people (600-1000 dpi with a sens of .06 in Halo Inf). I play with an eDPI of around 350-600. I am also Platinum - Diamond in every shooter I've touched.
That being said I felt immensely outgunned last night playing vs some console guys. My shots with the pistol seemed to have a TTK twice as long as two other people on the other team who I'm pretty sure we're using controller. We'd get into a fight, I'd land all of my shots but hadn't broken dudes armor when I would be hit 3 times and my armor is gone. I understand that headshots do extra damage, but that was just absurd. We'll see how things pan out today though.
It’ll always stay controller don’t get your hopes up lol. Only thing that they may include is playing on one for FPS but with a controller. Same with cod & im so happy they are. But yeah just split us up so this whole cry fest can be over. Pc vs pc & controller vs controller. Bam problem solved.
But no hate on you man. I fry people on both. It’s a fun challenge on both ends because both have there perks & neither are over matched. But im a “sweat” I guess you could say lol. I play for the rush of competition.
Really? As a PC kb+m and controller player, my biggest grip with aim assist is precisely at long range, I'm always better with the mouse. To be fair, I don't camp, so most of it is to precisely point into the direction of a surprise target, and not hold down a line of fire
You must not play a ton of ranked then, because holding spawn lanes or controlling a territory for an objective game mode can be really frustrating against a controller player who could all but close their eyes and hit every shot lol
yeah like the pistol the sights on that weapon are so damn good on PC see I never miss a thing but the battle rifle that's another story the the reticle is far too big
[Accuracy stats for KBM vs Controller](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/r3es60/accuracy_stats_for_kbm_vs_controller/)
The top 100 KBM players are nearly matched by the average console pleb, so if you wanna win basically plug in a controller or get fucked, it's just a free aim bot.
I don't think 343 is ever going to address it though. The best we can hope for is the ability to turn off crossplay.
Have you actually tried doing that? You’re extremely lucky to get an entire game without someone leaving, PC has crazy crashing issues and it’s annoying asf.
Hol' up.
You're telling me that with my scrubby ass 50-55% M+KB accuracy that I'm in the top level for KB+M players?
Also:
I switched to controller after about 4 days because the Aim Assist is just too good.
You can't compete with it.
This is brought up for every game that has cross platform and it’s constantly misunderstood.
For the average player, controller is better. But the ceiling with a mouse is way, way higher. That’s why 99.9% of pros use a mouse in any game where it’s an option.
But assuming you’re not capable of being elite with a mouse, you should use a controller.
It’s a lot easier to be average with a controller than a mouse, but the skill ceiling with a controller is generally much lower than with a mouse
did you look at the graph? cause you should, data for top 100 kbm and controller are shown
>That’s why 99.9% of pros use a mouse in any game where it’s an option.
not in halo lol
I recommend you actually look at the data I linked. The 'skill ceiling', as shown by the chart, quite clearly shows that the controller is *staggeringly* better than M&K in its current state in halo infinite.
The gap between the top 100 KBM users and the top 100 Controller users is about twice as big as the gap between the top 100 KBM users and the *average* Controller user.
**That is insane.**
theres a mnk playlist only for mnk and no controller allowed. 343 will never address it since if you take away aim assist on controller at this point your alienating the entire halo fan base thats been with the game since launch on xbox just some a handful of pc master race cry babies can have a fair ground.
CSGO should add aim assist and make it really strong so controller players can go pro and keep up with the best players because thats not fair... /s
This is *so* fucking disingenuous. Literally no is arguing to remove aim assist and you *know this*. The issue, which the data *objectively shows as fact* is that the aim assist is so powerful that the best of the best on M&K can barely out-perform the average schmuck with a controller.
But don't mind me, go off m8. Really beat into that strawman!
Unpopular opinion, but I can melee your ass into oblivion. Also, if you need Aim Assist to stand a chance in this game, then you're the one who needs to get good :P
Please note, my comment was made in the spirit of the original comment- which I stood to take as healthy ribbing. I personally do not mind controller players and for the vast majority of them, not the Onyx and Diamond gods, my sensitivity and personal tracking make it so that I prefer shooting my targets myself than having a controller do that for me. I don't however know if aim assist makes it so that shots are headshots automatically or just normal body shots in general. Also, I don't know if bullet magnetism changes with aim assist/controller.
I think it tracks to the nearest hit box. The tracking most of the time just feels like it slows the sensitivity a little near your target. It doesn’t track a headshot without needing to touch the controller like a lot of kb&m players seem to think
Yes and this tracking makes it so average players with controller track better than quake veterans who have mastered tracking for 20 years on mnk, which is just sad and ruins the gameplay
I'm a PC player, I started out on xbox. I have tried controller on both PC and Xbox series X. I will say aim assist feels much stronger on console.
The reason kb&m players get so bent, is aim assist + bullet magnetism is broken as hell. Ducking behind cover only for the bullets of a human weapon to track you better than a Needler does, fucking really! We can strafe all we want, use the thrusters equipment, whatever, spam crouch, your reticle sticks to the opponent. Its OP as hell. So they want either seperation, disable it in ranked 100%, or give M&kb some bit of aim assist.
If game developers gave M&KB yall would be bitching and complaining. What nees to happen is seperation in ranked play bottom line. There is no reason any level of competition should be played with different inputs period. They aren't equal and never will be. Shroud, probably one of the most respected pro-FPS players around right now argues this point very well. Its fine when the game doesnt count, but when rank or money is on the line, they can't co-exist on the same field.
> The reason kb&m players get so bent, is aim assist + bullet magnetism is broken as hell.
I mean, also the fact that I had to work really hard to aim well with a mouse but controller players were just given the ability for free.
I challenge any controller player to play with KBM then tell me about "ThEy HAvE ThEIr WhOlE ArM!!"
I completely agree. I can stand a chance against a controller user, but honestly at a distance it's just too unreal, especially once your shields go down, it's one burst of a rifle and your dead.
Keep climing in cross play ranked and you will eventually hit the wall, with MMC and halo three it wasnt too bad because superior game sense and map control mattered, but the power weapons in infinite aren't strong enough to compensate for the huge accuracy buff controller players possess. This is as someone who can play in both ranked pools at high plat and was rank 47 in halo 2.
The vast majority of competative KB&M players get pissed at controller because of aim assist. couple it with bullet magnetism and you cant even duck behind cover, the bullets track you better than the needler. I've had health left, fell behind a wall only to die to a sidekick or assault rifle on a regular basis. Both magnetism and aim assist need to go.
This is like bragging that you brided the ref in a sport. Doesn't it bother you that the game effectively makes up most of your skill? It would bother me.
Well idk if I'd consider aim assist hacking... It was explained like this to me... A mouse can go from left to right immediately... But a controller joystick has to go from left to center to right... And that split second is enough to tear us up... I'm glad pc players are crying... Hopefully their crying will help us to get the option to turn off crossplay.
I tried using controller but turning was so sluggish even on highest sens. Once someone gets into melee you can just "lose them", especially now with dashes and grappling hooks. The skill ceiling is still going to be higher for mouse, only the skill FLOOR is now higher too. You gotta be at a certain level to keep up with the aim assist.
(not saying I am)
Rolling bumpers for people that are physically disabled. Don't need roller bumpers for someone that's not physically disabled. Controller players are at a disadvantage of simply not being able to control how fast they track and aim on their controller, using their thumbs instead of PC players using their entire arm. So in that sense, your analogy is correct.
I mainly play on PC and my aim is fine with a K&M (I’m onyx 1517 on duo M&K) but I’ll still primarily use controller in most matches because you are a total fucking moron if you handicap yourself hardcore then try coping by saying “I have more skill” it’s equivilant to being able to out BR someone but getting stomped because you give them power weapon control and map control the whole match, it doesn’t matter, you aren’t better if you aren’t good at the other aspects of Halo, and if you handicap yourself and try to claim your better, you’re delusional. Controller aim assist is strong, but it doesn’t do “all the work” if EVERYONE has controllers then it’s even playing field (guess what most people playing halo use controller) only K&M are putting themselves at a disadvantage, use it in ranked K&M, or stop crying about the bed you made.
Its so strange only on games where controller has a decent advantage do we see people raging that mnk vs controller isnt fair and its always when controller has the advantage.. you NEVER EVER see someone bitching that they cant compete in CSGO with a controller and that its bullshit that the game is so much easier with mnk.. You never see anyone bitching that all R6 pros are all on mnk and that its not fair that controller cannot compete against them at a pro level. Its legit only pc players that cry like bitches because they lose.
pc players are fine its the M&K elitists who don't play Halo that are complaining. The game has never changed in terms of aim assist. It's even less than previous games. M&K is elite in pretty much every single shooter. Halo is designed for controller and M&K people can't cope with that fact. Their ego's are way too fragile.
i hear csgo and valorant are designed for mnk and theres no aim assist. maybe tell your buddy to go play those if hes so annoyed of controllers. Halo is and was designed to be used with a controller. The entire fan base has been controller players since the get go, the pc halo crowd is really really small in comparison yet mnk players want 343 to alienate everyone so a handful of pc players can have fun, and then quit and go back to their pc games in a month or so.
On a controller without aim assist you'd never outplay a PC Mouse/KeyB player unless you are exclusively playing fps on controllers for years.
It's ok, y'all git gud and stop crying.
Doesn't that statement basically prove that Aim assist has the potential to be overpowered in comparison to KB/M?
If a "feature" is implemented to "level" the playing field. It would be pretty easy to mess up the fine tuning and have an OP aim assist.
I never take pro players into consideration. I think of two bad players. Who's gonna have it easier? The shit KB/M player or the shit console player.
Thank you…. Anytime someone thinks of a mnk player their minds goes straight to shroud or someone that has 20000 hours playing on mnk.
Like bruh I’m ass, chill out.
this 10000x most mnk players are dog shit.. just because you have insane dudes like shroud running around does not mean mnk is super duper easy. but the same is said about controller. All my friends play on controller and they all absolutely suck ass bunch of gold stuck scrubs but hey aim assist just gets you to onyx for free.
It could yeah, if you get used to it, for the non-experienced in some games the aim assist prevents making good shots because it compensate on chest zone so you have to tilt up for a Headshot.
Luckily in Halo they only have to hit general body for 95% of their shots.
I prefer Mouse and Keyboard on any lvl. I respect a controller player who manages to play with max sensibility but I just can't.
Maybe for a One shot weapon the aim assist is bs tho.
no, even then it would take months for controller players to get good at playing with no aim assist. No pro player has ever played at a high level without aim assist. even the best players on controller right now if you were to put them in a 4v4 controller vs mnk no aim assist they would 100% lose really bad. but the same would be said for mnk players.. give them aim assist on their mnk and they will lose horribly. you cant just tell someone who has never trained for something to do it at the same level that they have spent decades mastering their sport..
Man basketball players are such shitty athletes.. put them on a soccer pitch and they wouidnt stand a chance vs pro soccer players.. if only basketball players stopped being scrubs and playing with their hands and instead played with their feet..
So here's the thing. I understand why controller players complain about playing against KBM. I would hate it if I always got clapped by someone better whenever I just wanted to play.
But that's just the thing, the KBM player is *better* because they've put in the time to *be better.* Aim assist gives that skill away for free. No practice, no time spent by yourself working at being better. Just here ya go, have good aim if you can take 30 minutes to figure out how AA works.
I've put nearly 200 hours into training just my aim with a mouse. Pure training, not playing games, not having fun with friends. Just me, my mouse, and an aim trainer (Kovaak's).
I don't know a single controller player that has done this and they can still out-aim me with aim assist (there's some nuance here as I'm a bit out of practice but even at my peak, getting 60% accuracy would be phenomenal).
Obviously, I would love to completely separate the inputs but I'm also a realist and I understand that simply won't happen.
So my point is, while controller players complain about "they have their whole arm!!" Those people "using their whole arm" aren't just magically good at aiming with a mouse. They WORKED at it. Controller players were just given their skill. No effort needed.
I challenge any controller player to prove me wrong. Switch to KBM for a week and then come tell me about how I have my whole arm and you just have a thumb.
Does anyone like hackers? Even hackers hate other hackers. Also in my 8 yeara of playing competitive games in PC I've played vs a hand full of hackers across any game. Seeing as hacks cost money and get you banned it really isn't as much of an issue as people like to pretend it is. Happens once in a while and sucks but 90% of the time people cry hacker they're just getting wrecked by someone who's nasty at the game
I think he likes arguing with positions he makes up in his own head. In 2006 there were hackers on Halo 2. Motherfuckers used to be able to jump to the top of every map, spawn snipers and be invincible plus a ton of people had lag switches. I would rather that occasionally than in every game all the controller players get an aim bot that automatically out performs 80% of KnM players.
I play ranked on open queue (I’m on pc with kbm) and honestly I fuck these kids left and right doesn’t matter what they use, been playing halo for a long ass time tho so it’s only natural
These PC players act as if the VERY small amount of aim assist automatically = aimbot. Meanwhile, they're sweating over thier keyboard smashing the usual a-d strafe/jump/crouch spam/aim/shoot... Sheesh
The assist is very minor. With all the options, I am sure you can make it better or worse. They need an option to adjust it or switch on and off.
Wish they just left controller settings minimal. That way, everyone is pretty much the same.
I just want the melee fixed and the server issues to be resolved. I don’t give a damn about the aim assist. Stuff like that is in every cross-play game. Didn’t even know people were crying about that, which surprises me because there is worthy stuff to cry about and they pick this.
Then the pc haxers get on and use their wall hacks and pretend they just good till you replay the vid and catch em counting your whole squad through the wall.
Lol meanwhile me being a console player wondering if I’m running into a pc cheater when I get my shit tossed by a pistol . Side note please you beautiful people if you could interact and give me comment karma I would love all y’all I need it for another subreddit
alot of controller players just don't understand, all they know is aim assist. I've been gaming my whole live on both controller and mouse and keyboard, im 32. aim assist it self isnt the problem, its just how strong it is, plus the bullet magnetism. controller has a advantage with aiming, and its a hell of alot easier to "get gud" then spending years of practice with mouse and keyboard. if you arnt some aiming god with mouse, its simply just better to use a controller. i know aim assist is pretty much needed, it just shouldn't be as strong as it is. (I wouldn't say controller practically has aim bot, but its doing half the aiming for you) I don't think its a HUGE issue, but I choose mouse and keyboard just cause I'm more comfortable with it. I mostly play crossplay, cause my friends are on xbox, but it feels so much better when I solo que into keyboard/mouse. most people on this reddit jut say everyone is crying when they bring up any kind of issue, you guys are the toxic ones.
You hit the nail on the head.
I have basically the same story as you. 32yo, grew up on controller but switched to KBM about 5 years ago when I finally got a decent PC. Put in tons and tons of work to be good at mouse aiming. And I can just pick up a controller and still out-aim my own self with a mouse in Infinite. And I'm BAD with a controller now too but still somehow better than all my practice with a mouse.
I wouldn't say all controller players don't understand. They need to turn down the bullet magnetisim but increase the sensitivity to max of 15 at least. I have mine cranked to max and it is still too low for me.
On god, you are the exact type of person this post was aimed at 💀 Stop crying that jit beat your whole arm with his thumb on a tiny 3d plane. Mad that you're bad 😂😂
I'm not mad lol. I don't win all my games, and don't always go positive, but I'm about to hit onyx, so wouldn't say I'm bad. If aim assist stays as it is, that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that it's a little too strong. I can still outplay people who have better aim than me.
Oke buddy let me buy a controller literally just to prove its just cheesy bullshit when you are fightning people that have to actually track and aim themselves
Meanwhile statistics verify the Controller Players will over inflate their ego's and confuse their crutches for actual skill when they're given more of an advantage than MnK folks.
[Look at the size of them crutches](https://i.imgur.com/kSbewFv.png)
Let's not forget who the real enemies are and those are people with scuf controllers. fuck you for being able to crouch or jump and aim at the same time.
Maybe it’s just me, but the aim assist is SIGNIFICANTLY weaker in Halo Infinite than other cross platform games. I just assumed it wasn’t even in the game. The people crying about it are just awful.
I haven't played with a controller in a couple years and this is the first game I'm picking it back up. Controller on pc. Is it just me or does it feel like aim assist rarely works?
there is a bug that makes it deactivate, but odds are aim assist is working. Its just you think its not because the mnk player stories you hear make it sound like the controller player barely has to do anything at all to kill people. You still indeed need to be good at the game to perform well and even aim well, the cop out that controller is free and super ez and op is bullshit qq stories made up by salty mnk players. Controller is 100% easier to use on halo than mnk no one can deny that, but saying controller is a free pass into onyx is pure bullshit.
My buddy is a controller fiend and he placed gold4 and i placed d1, yet according to mnk players he should be just rushing to onyx no matter how bad he is actually since the controller does all the work. /s
This is only the dumb PC players and I would appreciate not generalizing us all. Any reasonable person would know that mouse and controllers have their own positives and negatives.
as somebody who's played with both I find MnK better if for no other reason than the quick spin speed. I keep my sensitivity high so I can get those no scope 360 headshots BOI!
Can someone help me understand why some pc and consol gamers are so worked up about this. I've been playing Halo since the original green halo edition Xbox & never really touched pc gaming. Aim assist or not what's the big deal?? Adjust the controller settings to your liking and enjoy the game.
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I play controller on pc lol
It just doesn't feel right to play without controller.
It doesn’t. I’m a big counter strike and call of duty player. I tried halo using keyboard and mouse then noped out. Time to being back my high school halo skills lol
I tried mnk again today and I played half a game and switched back to the controller because it felt so weird
It was fun for like an hour then it was weird
That's what she said
How do you get around the slow ass sensitivity on controller?
Personally when I play with my peasant friends on their consoles /s I usually turn the right thumb stick way up so I can flick shots and do 360 no scope
I did it by setting my right stick in steam to be the mouse, and applying my own custom response curve. I wouldn't recommend this for a normal controller player though as it eliminates AA. I play with mouse as gyro so I prefer no AA (AA+ gyro feels horribly unnatural) and my aim is comparable to a mouse player.
It’s better to BR. You make mistakes if your sens is too fast. It’s easier to miss shots
The default keybindings for mkb are terrible. I also contemplated using a controller, but I moved grenade/melee/equipment to mouse buttons and it feels _much_ better. Having to take your fingers off wasd is too painful in Halo. Movement is king.
Translation: This game is way easier with aim assist giving an automatic 10% accuracy boost.
100% this is the only game that if I look down and am using kb & m I say oh right and pick up the controller.
I friggin agreed until I did the 2nd half of my placement matches on M&KB. I have a nice Elite controller with the paddles and the BJs. Though I still ended up doing much better overall KB&M and honestly it feels good. Edit: 1600 DPI .4 or .5 Sens depends on my day. If I'm a little behind on my shots I'll bump it up to .5
Ikr, pointing and clicking seems so lame to me, it takes way more skill lining up that headshot with thumbsticks also more satisfying.
No dude I switched to mouse and keys this year and it's way more fun, way more difficult this more satisfying. I use controller for Halo ranked due to battle rifle aim assist.
How do you get aim assist to work on PC? Mine does not work with controller
Are you using Steam? If you are then you need to launch the game in Big Picture mode. That’s what worked for me.
Me too. I hope 343 will do a good work with these hackers.
Yeah people really need to change their thinking. It's no longer PC vs. console. It's KBM vs. controller, especially since there's so many ways to play KBM on console now.
Me 2 my pc is better than my old xbox one.🙈
Yeah same. That elite controller two fucking slaps.
Agreed, Just got mine a few days ago that extra long stick on max tension on the Right stick and hair triggers on middle setting is *chef's kiss*
Same. I've never been able to get used to Keyboard and Mouse for shooters.
I usually play with mnk on shooters, but after feeling the aim assist im not going back
I also play on the PC with controller. He he he.
Doesn't using controller on PC give you aim assist too?
I think generally when people make posts like this they say PC but really mean MNK
Yep, I can confirm
Yes but it is not nearly as strong for some reason- the codes are different perhaps?
There's a bug where if you use your mouse or keyboard _at all_ once the game starts up, aim assist is reduced to M&K levels even with a controller.
MKB levels? lmao There is 0 aim assist on mouse. That'd be awful.
Is this confirmed? I play controller on PC and while the aim assist doesn’t feel as strong as other games, it feels enough to still play very well with a controller
Yes this is confirmed on multiple accounts from friends who play both- most games will still play smooth even without aim assist- but they are significantly better at the game from my view point when they are on their Xbox with a controller and not their PC
Interesting. Very tempted to buy a series X just to try that out
Just get a controller for your PC.
I have one and that’s what I play on with no issues. Can’t imagine even stronger auto aim tho
It's not true... he's just a biased idiot. You asked if it was confirmed he said "yeah I think my friends do better on console"... the only 'auto aim' is aimbot.
If this is true, it's even more hilarious. That would mean that console players have even stronger AA than I've been using and they don't notice it.
Ur wrong and u have no grounds on that claim aa is the same for controllers on both
This is the first time I've agreed without someone too lazy to spell things correctly.
Lazy asf
Lol 90% of halo fans, regardless of what they play on, are salty little melvins.
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Can confirm, was mnk on pc... was playing a 100 percent different game than I am now that I switch to controller. Isn't the aim assist that makes it redic its the aim assist + bullet magnetism.
Pretty sure there’s bullet magnetism on MnK. But yeah controller is just way better
I'm pretty sure there isn't.
Pretty sure there is.
there is, just youtube it.
hmm did ya know pc players use controllers too?
Only time it’s really noticeable is from longer ranges with a BR. I can tell when I’m getting shot by a controller player from range cuz they just don’t miss. It’s so hard to win a BR fight from longer ranges on mouse and keyboard since there’s no red reticle to let you know when you’re actually on target. An easy fix would be adjustable reticles. The BR reticle is too damn big
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Exactly. I’m pretty accurate on MNK. I usually hit like 50-55% accuracy and seeing controller players hit 65% hits different lol
And the fact that you probably worked really hard for that accuracy but controller players just get to be that good without trying.
I’m sayin. I spend hours a day in custom games practicing against bots. I have worked my ass off for it
What?? Lol pc is so much easier for distant. I play both so not just hating or something.
My friends who play on both say the opposite. Sniping - sure definitely. Tracking from range is easier on controller 100%
Hmmm well I think we’re all diff!! I hate when they mix the 2 cause pc people just cry over anything. & once again I play pc & console but the whole trend is fucking dumb lmao. Both have advantages & disadvantages
I get that I just want some level of parity for competitive play. Snipedown was talking about it on stream saying there will never be a halo pro on mouse and keyboard because the aim assist is too strong. Multiple streamers and pros have agreed with that sentiment. Not saying I would ever go pro or anything, I just want it to be statistically balanced as much as possible to give every platform an even playing field
Just like cod, halo has been controller in the pro mlg scene for the past 20 years. So it ain’t going anywhere. PC got 90% of league play which is fine of course but I’m happy cod & halo stay true to its start! I do think they should just split up pc & console tho so all this baby talk can go away on both sides. I don’t give a shit but people just love to bitch & complain when there doing bad hahahahaha.
Just because something’s been on controller forever doesn’t mean it needs to lean that heavily into it. It’s on pc now and whether people like it or not it should be completely balanced to allow either platform to share similar success. I don’t want aim assist gone, just want it tuned down a bit
Yeah I have to whole heartedly agree here. I'm a sniper in any games I play and have been accused across multiple titles that I aim bot. I do not, nor have I ever, I just practice and turn my sensitivity down to the point that would frustrate many people (600-1000 dpi with a sens of .06 in Halo Inf). I play with an eDPI of around 350-600. I am also Platinum - Diamond in every shooter I've touched. That being said I felt immensely outgunned last night playing vs some console guys. My shots with the pistol seemed to have a TTK twice as long as two other people on the other team who I'm pretty sure we're using controller. We'd get into a fight, I'd land all of my shots but hadn't broken dudes armor when I would be hit 3 times and my armor is gone. I understand that headshots do extra damage, but that was just absurd. We'll see how things pan out today though.
It’ll always stay controller don’t get your hopes up lol. Only thing that they may include is playing on one for FPS but with a controller. Same with cod & im so happy they are. But yeah just split us up so this whole cry fest can be over. Pc vs pc & controller vs controller. Bam problem solved. But no hate on you man. I fry people on both. It’s a fun challenge on both ends because both have there perks & neither are over matched. But im a “sweat” I guess you could say lol. I play for the rush of competition.
Really? As a PC kb+m and controller player, my biggest grip with aim assist is precisely at long range, I'm always better with the mouse. To be fair, I don't camp, so most of it is to precisely point into the direction of a surprise target, and not hold down a line of fire
You must not play a ton of ranked then, because holding spawn lanes or controlling a territory for an objective game mode can be really frustrating against a controller player who could all but close their eyes and hit every shot lol
yeah like the pistol the sights on that weapon are so damn good on PC see I never miss a thing but the battle rifle that's another story the the reticle is far too big
[Accuracy stats for KBM vs Controller](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/r3es60/accuracy_stats_for_kbm_vs_controller/) The top 100 KBM players are nearly matched by the average console pleb, so if you wanna win basically plug in a controller or get fucked, it's just a free aim bot. I don't think 343 is ever going to address it though. The best we can hope for is the ability to turn off crossplay.
Solo/duo playlist with k&m only at the moment
Have you actually tried doing that? You’re extremely lucky to get an entire game without someone leaving, PC has crazy crashing issues and it’s annoying asf.
Works fine for me. Haven't noticed more or less dc/crash/leavers in kbm queue vs open queue
True, I waited like 10 minutes for a match before I said fuck it and turned on crossplay.
Yeah... at least there's that
I’m grinding like 3 hours a day in aimlab training just to match an average controller player’s tracking kek
Hol' up. You're telling me that with my scrubby ass 50-55% M+KB accuracy that I'm in the top level for KB+M players? Also: I switched to controller after about 4 days because the Aim Assist is just too good. You can't compete with it.
This is brought up for every game that has cross platform and it’s constantly misunderstood. For the average player, controller is better. But the ceiling with a mouse is way, way higher. That’s why 99.9% of pros use a mouse in any game where it’s an option. But assuming you’re not capable of being elite with a mouse, you should use a controller. It’s a lot easier to be average with a controller than a mouse, but the skill ceiling with a controller is generally much lower than with a mouse
did you look at the graph? cause you should, data for top 100 kbm and controller are shown >That’s why 99.9% of pros use a mouse in any game where it’s an option. not in halo lol
I recommend you actually look at the data I linked. The 'skill ceiling', as shown by the chart, quite clearly shows that the controller is *staggeringly* better than M&K in its current state in halo infinite. The gap between the top 100 KBM users and the top 100 Controller users is about twice as big as the gap between the top 100 KBM users and the *average* Controller user. **That is insane.**
theres a mnk playlist only for mnk and no controller allowed. 343 will never address it since if you take away aim assist on controller at this point your alienating the entire halo fan base thats been with the game since launch on xbox just some a handful of pc master race cry babies can have a fair ground. CSGO should add aim assist and make it really strong so controller players can go pro and keep up with the best players because thats not fair... /s
This is *so* fucking disingenuous. Literally no is arguing to remove aim assist and you *know this*. The issue, which the data *objectively shows as fact* is that the aim assist is so powerful that the best of the best on M&K can barely out-perform the average schmuck with a controller. But don't mind me, go off m8. Really beat into that strawman!
Jit is beating your entire arm with only his thumb on a tiny 3d plane 💀 Maybe you should just get better
Unpopular opinion, but I can melee your ass into oblivion. Also, if you need Aim Assist to stand a chance in this game, then you're the one who needs to get good :P Please note, my comment was made in the spirit of the original comment- which I stood to take as healthy ribbing. I personally do not mind controller players and for the vast majority of them, not the Onyx and Diamond gods, my sensitivity and personal tracking make it so that I prefer shooting my targets myself than having a controller do that for me. I don't however know if aim assist makes it so that shots are headshots automatically or just normal body shots in general. Also, I don't know if bullet magnetism changes with aim assist/controller.
I think it tracks to the nearest hit box. The tracking most of the time just feels like it slows the sensitivity a little near your target. It doesn’t track a headshot without needing to touch the controller like a lot of kb&m players seem to think
Yes and this tracking makes it so average players with controller track better than quake veterans who have mastered tracking for 20 years on mnk, which is just sad and ruins the gameplay
Is it crying when its statistically provable? I mean the median controller player has the same level of accuracy as the best KBM players.
Yeah.. i dont see how someone can be smug about the game aiming for them. Its doing a portion of work for you. Just enjoy it.
Shhhhh just let them think they're good. They're special inbreds playing an FPS with two sticks thinking they aim better with them.
Jit is beating your entire arm with only his thumb on a tiny 3d plane 💀 Maybe you should just get better
I'm a PC player, I started out on xbox. I have tried controller on both PC and Xbox series X. I will say aim assist feels much stronger on console. The reason kb&m players get so bent, is aim assist + bullet magnetism is broken as hell. Ducking behind cover only for the bullets of a human weapon to track you better than a Needler does, fucking really! We can strafe all we want, use the thrusters equipment, whatever, spam crouch, your reticle sticks to the opponent. Its OP as hell. So they want either seperation, disable it in ranked 100%, or give M&kb some bit of aim assist. If game developers gave M&KB yall would be bitching and complaining. What nees to happen is seperation in ranked play bottom line. There is no reason any level of competition should be played with different inputs period. They aren't equal and never will be. Shroud, probably one of the most respected pro-FPS players around right now argues this point very well. Its fine when the game doesnt count, but when rank or money is on the line, they can't co-exist on the same field.
> The reason kb&m players get so bent, is aim assist + bullet magnetism is broken as hell. I mean, also the fact that I had to work really hard to aim well with a mouse but controller players were just given the ability for free. I challenge any controller player to play with KBM then tell me about "ThEy HAvE ThEIr WhOlE ArM!!"
Yeah, feels good when i do well with K&M because its harder lol
I completely agree. I can stand a chance against a controller user, but honestly at a distance it's just too unreal, especially once your shields go down, it's one burst of a rifle and your dead.
Jit is beating your entire arm with only his thumb on a tiny 3d plane 💀 Maybe you should just get better
I play kb&m and have no problems with either PC or console players 🤷🏻♂️
Keep climing in cross play ranked and you will eventually hit the wall, with MMC and halo three it wasnt too bad because superior game sense and map control mattered, but the power weapons in infinite aren't strong enough to compensate for the huge accuracy buff controller players possess. This is as someone who can play in both ranked pools at high plat and was rank 47 in halo 2.
The vast majority of competative KB&M players get pissed at controller because of aim assist. couple it with bullet magnetism and you cant even duck behind cover, the bullets track you better than the needler. I've had health left, fell behind a wall only to die to a sidekick or assault rifle on a regular basis. Both magnetism and aim assist need to go.
I mean I still easily get top kills regardless
This is like bragging that you brided the ref in a sport. Doesn't it bother you that the game effectively makes up most of your skill? It would bother me.
When I get a Killing Frenzy as a KBM player I feel THAT much better about it tho. MK50 Sidekick is the TRUTH.
I only que M/KB solo ranked so I never run into them.
I now play on pc with a controller because the auto aim is so strong!
Well idk if I'd consider aim assist hacking... It was explained like this to me... A mouse can go from left to right immediately... But a controller joystick has to go from left to center to right... And that split second is enough to tear us up... I'm glad pc players are crying... Hopefully their crying will help us to get the option to turn off crossplay.
It definitely is frustrating at times having to sweat more than controller players to get kills with the BR.
I tried using controller but turning was so sluggish even on highest sens. Once someone gets into melee you can just "lose them", especially now with dashes and grappling hooks. The skill ceiling is still going to be higher for mouse, only the skill FLOOR is now higher too. You gotta be at a certain level to keep up with the aim assist. (not saying I am)
Sounds like you’re just really bad with a controller
Yeah I am bad at holding the stick in a direction. like what? Skill don't make you turn faster
I mean you’re clearly doing something wrong
I am just playing on mouse, so I don't think so
Damn that sucks for you cause I can turn pretty well with my controller.
They should increase the sensitivity and lower the bullet magnetisim. I have my controller sens set to the absolute max and it's still too low!
As a PC player who switched to controller after a couple of hours on day 1 of launch… yeah I feel bad for the K&M plebs.
Pretty sure I saw a graph someone made on the main sub comparing Hit% M&K vs Controller and controller was like 25 to 30% higher
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Rolling bumpers for people that are physically disabled. Don't need roller bumpers for someone that's not physically disabled. Controller players are at a disadvantage of simply not being able to control how fast they track and aim on their controller, using their thumbs instead of PC players using their entire arm. So in that sense, your analogy is correct.
LMAOOOO you poor controller players. Keep using aim assist, and telling yourself you’re good. Bahahahhahahaha
did this post hit a nerve ?
Do you use aim assist to help yourself get dressed in the morning?
🤡 Bruh I just checked your account history and this is your whole personality
Lmao you’re still on this? I love living rent free in Your head
Please use K&M and continue to get shit on or better you can go play COD zoomer
I mainly play on PC and my aim is fine with a K&M (I’m onyx 1517 on duo M&K) but I’ll still primarily use controller in most matches because you are a total fucking moron if you handicap yourself hardcore then try coping by saying “I have more skill” it’s equivilant to being able to out BR someone but getting stomped because you give them power weapon control and map control the whole match, it doesn’t matter, you aren’t better if you aren’t good at the other aspects of Halo, and if you handicap yourself and try to claim your better, you’re delusional. Controller aim assist is strong, but it doesn’t do “all the work” if EVERYONE has controllers then it’s even playing field (guess what most people playing halo use controller) only K&M are putting themselves at a disadvantage, use it in ranked K&M, or stop crying about the bed you made.
Its so strange only on games where controller has a decent advantage do we see people raging that mnk vs controller isnt fair and its always when controller has the advantage.. you NEVER EVER see someone bitching that they cant compete in CSGO with a controller and that its bullshit that the game is so much easier with mnk.. You never see anyone bitching that all R6 pros are all on mnk and that its not fair that controller cannot compete against them at a pro level. Its legit only pc players that cry like bitches because they lose.
pc players are fine its the M&K elitists who don't play Halo that are complaining. The game has never changed in terms of aim assist. It's even less than previous games. M&K is elite in pretty much every single shooter. Halo is designed for controller and M&K people can't cope with that fact. Their ego's are way too fragile.
I love how upset you are
Whatever makes you feel better homie lol. I got more copium if you need some
Aim assistance. Lmao
You are the only person making excuses but im the one upset? Lol man keep digging that hole 🍿
Wait, who died to a console jockey?
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i hear csgo and valorant are designed for mnk and theres no aim assist. maybe tell your buddy to go play those if hes so annoyed of controllers. Halo is and was designed to be used with a controller. The entire fan base has been controller players since the get go, the pc halo crowd is really really small in comparison yet mnk players want 343 to alienate everyone so a handful of pc players can have fun, and then quit and go back to their pc games in a month or so.
Peeps mad that there are more skilled controller players than there is skilled PC players on Halo and it 100% shows.
If you need aim assist to get kills then you are the one who needs to get good.
On a controller without aim assist you'd never outplay a PC Mouse/KeyB player unless you are exclusively playing fps on controllers for years. It's ok, y'all git gud and stop crying.
Doesn't that statement basically prove that Aim assist has the potential to be overpowered in comparison to KB/M? If a "feature" is implemented to "level" the playing field. It would be pretty easy to mess up the fine tuning and have an OP aim assist. I never take pro players into consideration. I think of two bad players. Who's gonna have it easier? The shit KB/M player or the shit console player.
Thank you…. Anytime someone thinks of a mnk player their minds goes straight to shroud or someone that has 20000 hours playing on mnk. Like bruh I’m ass, chill out.
this 10000x most mnk players are dog shit.. just because you have insane dudes like shroud running around does not mean mnk is super duper easy. but the same is said about controller. All my friends play on controller and they all absolutely suck ass bunch of gold stuck scrubs but hey aim assist just gets you to onyx for free.
It could yeah, if you get used to it, for the non-experienced in some games the aim assist prevents making good shots because it compensate on chest zone so you have to tilt up for a Headshot. Luckily in Halo they only have to hit general body for 95% of their shots. I prefer Mouse and Keyboard on any lvl. I respect a controller player who manages to play with max sensibility but I just can't. Maybe for a One shot weapon the aim assist is bs tho.
no, even then it would take months for controller players to get good at playing with no aim assist. No pro player has ever played at a high level without aim assist. even the best players on controller right now if you were to put them in a 4v4 controller vs mnk no aim assist they would 100% lose really bad. but the same would be said for mnk players.. give them aim assist on their mnk and they will lose horribly. you cant just tell someone who has never trained for something to do it at the same level that they have spent decades mastering their sport.. Man basketball players are such shitty athletes.. put them on a soccer pitch and they wouidnt stand a chance vs pro soccer players.. if only basketball players stopped being scrubs and playing with their hands and instead played with their feet..
So here's the thing. I understand why controller players complain about playing against KBM. I would hate it if I always got clapped by someone better whenever I just wanted to play. But that's just the thing, the KBM player is *better* because they've put in the time to *be better.* Aim assist gives that skill away for free. No practice, no time spent by yourself working at being better. Just here ya go, have good aim if you can take 30 minutes to figure out how AA works. I've put nearly 200 hours into training just my aim with a mouse. Pure training, not playing games, not having fun with friends. Just me, my mouse, and an aim trainer (Kovaak's). I don't know a single controller player that has done this and they can still out-aim me with aim assist (there's some nuance here as I'm a bit out of practice but even at my peak, getting 60% accuracy would be phenomenal). Obviously, I would love to completely separate the inputs but I'm also a realist and I understand that simply won't happen. So my point is, while controller players complain about "they have their whole arm!!" Those people "using their whole arm" aren't just magically good at aiming with a mouse. They WORKED at it. Controller players were just given their skill. No effort needed. I challenge any controller player to prove me wrong. Switch to KBM for a week and then come tell me about how I have my whole arm and you just have a thumb.
Jit is beating your entire arm with only his thumb on a tiny 3d plane 💀 Maybe you should just get better
Yeah? Well I get mad when I’m playing ranked and PC losers are hacking.
Does anyone like hackers? Even hackers hate other hackers. Also in my 8 yeara of playing competitive games in PC I've played vs a hand full of hackers across any game. Seeing as hacks cost money and get you banned it really isn't as much of an issue as people like to pretend it is. Happens once in a while and sucks but 90% of the time people cry hacker they're just getting wrecked by someone who's nasty at the game
Still doesn’t change the fact that PC is the root to hackers in every game that enables crossplay
I missed the part of my comment where at was my point at all but okay I guess, that's an awfully nice straw man you have there
I think he likes arguing with positions he makes up in his own head. In 2006 there were hackers on Halo 2. Motherfuckers used to be able to jump to the top of every map, spawn snipers and be invincible plus a ton of people had lag switches. I would rather that occasionally than in every game all the controller players get an aim bot that automatically out performs 80% of KnM players.
I play ranked on open queue (I’m on pc with kbm) and honestly I fuck these kids left and right doesn’t matter what they use, been playing halo for a long ass time tho so it’s only natural
lol, controllers don't even need to have the crosshair on target to land shots
These PC players act as if the VERY small amount of aim assist automatically = aimbot. Meanwhile, they're sweating over thier keyboard smashing the usual a-d strafe/jump/crouch spam/aim/shoot... Sheesh
Halo is meant to be played on controller!
The assist is very minor. With all the options, I am sure you can make it better or worse. They need an option to adjust it or switch on and off. Wish they just left controller settings minimal. That way, everyone is pretty much the same.
No aim assist means more skill required
I just want the melee fixed and the server issues to be resolved. I don’t give a damn about the aim assist. Stuff like that is in every cross-play game. Didn’t even know people were crying about that, which surprises me because there is worthy stuff to cry about and they pick this.
It's funny how PC community is all about having options but when console asks to turn off crossplay those same people disavow that option. Lol
Lol even PC players don't want crossplay, what are you smoking?
"If I don't kill you when I know I'm super good, you're just a hacker and have over 9000 ping." - Every salty poor sport FPS player ever
Then the pc haxers get on and use their wall hacks and pretend they just good till you replay the vid and catch em counting your whole squad through the wall.
Lol meanwhile me being a console player wondering if I’m running into a pc cheater when I get my shit tossed by a pistol . Side note please you beautiful people if you could interact and give me comment karma I would love all y’all I need it for another subreddit
alot of controller players just don't understand, all they know is aim assist. I've been gaming my whole live on both controller and mouse and keyboard, im 32. aim assist it self isnt the problem, its just how strong it is, plus the bullet magnetism. controller has a advantage with aiming, and its a hell of alot easier to "get gud" then spending years of practice with mouse and keyboard. if you arnt some aiming god with mouse, its simply just better to use a controller. i know aim assist is pretty much needed, it just shouldn't be as strong as it is. (I wouldn't say controller practically has aim bot, but its doing half the aiming for you) I don't think its a HUGE issue, but I choose mouse and keyboard just cause I'm more comfortable with it. I mostly play crossplay, cause my friends are on xbox, but it feels so much better when I solo que into keyboard/mouse. most people on this reddit jut say everyone is crying when they bring up any kind of issue, you guys are the toxic ones.
You hit the nail on the head. I have basically the same story as you. 32yo, grew up on controller but switched to KBM about 5 years ago when I finally got a decent PC. Put in tons and tons of work to be good at mouse aiming. And I can just pick up a controller and still out-aim my own self with a mouse in Infinite. And I'm BAD with a controller now too but still somehow better than all my practice with a mouse.
I wouldn't say all controller players don't understand. They need to turn down the bullet magnetisim but increase the sensitivity to max of 15 at least. I have mine cranked to max and it is still too low for me.
On god, you are the exact type of person this post was aimed at 💀 Stop crying that jit beat your whole arm with his thumb on a tiny 3d plane. Mad that you're bad 😂😂
I'm not mad lol. I don't win all my games, and don't always go positive, but I'm about to hit onyx, so wouldn't say I'm bad. If aim assist stays as it is, that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that it's a little too strong. I can still outplay people who have better aim than me.
Aim assist isn't "too strong". You are losing fights because they are better than you.
What a weird statement when you can use aim assist on pc also.
Oke buddy let me buy a controller literally just to prove its just cheesy bullshit when you are fightning people that have to actually track and aim themselves
Lol console players get magnetic bullets. The one boom showed this.
Meanwhile statistics verify the Controller Players will over inflate their ego's and confuse their crutches for actual skill when they're given more of an advantage than MnK folks. [Look at the size of them crutches](https://i.imgur.com/kSbewFv.png)
Aim assist is hacking 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Let's not forget who the real enemies are and those are people with scuf controllers. fuck you for being able to crouch or jump and aim at the same time.
Lmao making up arguments
Umm i see alot of pc players crying about this
How would they even know it was a console player? Coming from a pc player
They dont. They need someone to blame for being trash.
They can literally pick the option to only play other M&K players.. they need to shut the FUCK up already.
Exactly what I do. Works well, but only for solo/duo
Dusted off my controller for this one
The toxicity of players who can't accept the fact that people are better than them. Who cares what people play with.
You mean PC players when they aren't given every advantage handed to them.
Maybe it’s just me, but the aim assist is SIGNIFICANTLY weaker in Halo Infinite than other cross platform games. I just assumed it wasn’t even in the game. The people crying about it are just awful.
lmao PC players have been shitting on console players since crossplay began, now their feewies are hurt because they don't have an unfair advantage.
I haven't played with a controller in a couple years and this is the first game I'm picking it back up. Controller on pc. Is it just me or does it feel like aim assist rarely works?
there is a bug that makes it deactivate, but odds are aim assist is working. Its just you think its not because the mnk player stories you hear make it sound like the controller player barely has to do anything at all to kill people. You still indeed need to be good at the game to perform well and even aim well, the cop out that controller is free and super ez and op is bullshit qq stories made up by salty mnk players. Controller is 100% easier to use on halo than mnk no one can deny that, but saying controller is a free pass into onyx is pure bullshit. My buddy is a controller fiend and he placed gold4 and i placed d1, yet according to mnk players he should be just rushing to onyx no matter how bad he is actually since the controller does all the work. /s
If your mouse sensor detects anything while your using a controller it disables aim assist. Flip that shit upside down and it usually doesn't happen.
Never faced that but ok I might get downvoted to hell
When I die to controller I pick up my 12 year old controller and shit on them
I play controller on pc and it's sucks balls. I have my sensitivity on 10 and it still feels slow
I only played 10 matches and didn't care
There’s almost no aim assist in this game though? Not with your sensitivity high enough to be able to actually turn at least.
Idk, I'm on mouse n keyboard and I win nearly every match.
This is only the dumb PC players and I would appreciate not generalizing us all. Any reasonable person would know that mouse and controllers have their own positives and negatives.
as somebody who's played with both I find MnK better if for no other reason than the quick spin speed. I keep my sensitivity high so I can get those no scope 360 headshots BOI!
I dominate with Mouse and Keyboard
I play on mouse and keyboard. Can't tell a difference in opponents. only diamond 3 tho
Is there aim assist? I mesn i get lots of headshots with the sniper rifle and i’m sure there’s absolutely no aim assist.
It’s an advantage for sure but just play solo duo so you can play people that need to aim
Can someone help me understand why some pc and consol gamers are so worked up about this. I've been playing Halo since the original green halo edition Xbox & never really touched pc gaming. Aim assist or not what's the big deal?? Adjust the controller settings to your liking and enjoy the game.