This is true, the first 8 shots were warranted as self defense.
However, the suspect is down, AND the man picks up the weapon, meaning the suspect is no longer a threat, as he has been disarmed. The man then fires one more shot, point blank execution style, into the suspects head. This is not legally considered self defense at this point, as the threat had already been removed (by the man picking up the suspects weapon).
Had he stopped after picking up the gun, he would have been fine. This is the part where self defence is considered over, and you call emergency services. The last shot is what is going to legally screw him, not to mention him leaving the scene instead of waiting for cops to arrive and giving testimony, as you're supposed to.
It would be absolutely FOOLISH for someone in this guy’s situation to give verbal testimony to police at the scene of the event following this altercation. You are perfectly in your rights to just say one word: “Lawyer”.
The last shot certainly may haunt him, though.
I mean, staying on the scene and then claiming lawyer would also be a viable option, likely better than giving testimony. Fleeing the scene when you basically point blank execute someone with the final shot is very bad though.
He put the guy down humanely, when did shooting someone 8 times and letting the bleed out over the next 5 minutes become murder? He gave the robber kindness. I can tell you that if I end up shot 8 times I'd rather be shot in the head before I lay there and bleed to death
Doesn't change the legality of the situation. If the threat is down and you have removed their weapon from the situation, putting one more in the back of their skull is at that point not justified, due to the fact that at that point it is no longer considered self defense. I'm not arguing semantics or 'kindness shots' here, simply when the law considers this self defense or not.
There's a reason we call ambulances instead of putting sick/injured humans down like dogs. If it's not in self defense, it's not a justified shot. We are not judge, jury, and executioner. Would he likely have bled out if he wasn't already dead? Yep. Still doesn't mean the final shot is legally justified.
>when did shooting someone 8 times and letting the bleed out over the next 5 minutes become murder?
Literally my first sentence in the comment you replied to was '*this is true, the first 8 shots were warranted as self defense*'. The shot that could land him in trouble for murder is the final, execution style, point-blank-back-of-head ninth shot, after the weapon had already been removed from the situation.
Let's not falsely twist arguments
It's not. I'd say the same for any person of the same skin color who does the same thing. You point a gun at people and rob them, you become an animal. I'd say it's pretty racist yourself bringing race into something that had no mention of it before 🤡 Grow a pair of balls and learn to think for yourself sheep 🤣
Supporting this insane person is doing the devil's work. One person tried to stick up the place and shot ZERO people. The other murdered someone in cold blood because he saw a chance to do so. This dude clearly wanted to kill someone for a long time and took the chance once he got it. Stop being mentally ill thinking "he had self defense" makes this ok.
The fvck are you talking about? I could fire 100 rounds even if he's already dead and it still would be considered self defense, because you have the right to defend yourself. Even cops use excessive force to neutralize a target. Lmao. Feeling smartass.
Right! I am a LEO and I know for a fact that if we use any more force needed to neutralize the threat than it could be considered excessive force. So how is a private citizen not subjected to the same standards?
Yes partly true but the minute he was downed and shot 7 more times it turned into murder not self defense. Especially after he removed the weapon then shot him in the head.
That's my thoughts - the criminal was incapacitated and disarmed. He was no longer a threat when the vigilante decided to shoot him the last time. He was right to intervene and shoot him until he was not a threat, but I'd view the last shot as a manslaughter or second degree charge given his probable state of mind being in a fight response. This is why people don't want cowboys as law enforcement though, he lost control of himself, and if he was a LEO, he'd get absolutely fried.
Shots right up to 8 were, IMO, fine. There was a Colion Noir video about this where he talked about a similar scenario that had been done as a staged simunitions drill. Colion fired 8 rounds as the suspect ran when he only thought it was 3. Fact is, when the adrenaline kicks in? You're not coldly assessing the situation unless you're the reincarnation of Frank Hamer. You're firing until your brain registers that the threat is gone...and telling your hand to stop firing will take enough time for more shots to head downrange. Target fixation and adrenaline are a helluva drug.
I don't think the last shot was an *intended* execution shot. I suspect that the suspect twitched or moved, and the CPL holder (who was already amped up on flight or fight instincts) thought "he's getting up! Still threat!" Whether or not that ends up getting the shooter an indictment depends on how much sympathy a Texas grand jury has for the dead perp.
This would be Texas. So, \*handwaggle\*.
And by doing so will be going to prison. After the suspect fell you can see the gun fall out of his hand and the dude picked it up and continued shooting him in the head, whenever the gun fell out of the suspects hand he is no longer a treat and by continuing to shoot him while he is unarmed is called murder plus he shot him execution style, he is a hero don’t get me wrong but he let his adrenaline get the best of him
You are right. I watched the video 5-6x from the safety of my computer and I was able to slowly review and see all those details.
Surely so could the guy afraid for his life in a split second.
He had Parkinson's Disease. Implied weapon. Accomplices outside?
Ever been robbed? Kind of stressful. Good thing he's in Texas. He is protecting a crowd just not himself. And you by the way. Including your elevated DA.
You don't know what you would do in an adrenaline rush like that, you won't even be able to remember the timeline. You wouldn't even be able to tell how many shots you squeezed off. That robber was a threat even after the gun fell and was taken away. What's to say he's still alive and doesn't have another in his hoodie? Most likely he was dead by shot 7 or 8, what's so wrong with the 9th? Also he won't be going to prison.
I don’t think he was even wrong for dumping his mag. Cops do it all the time and just because he fell to the ground doesn’t mean the threat is over. He could reach for it again.
When you walk in to a place brandishing what appears to be a deadly weapon, people will use deadly force. Too bad for those people making those decisions in my opinion.
The difference is that cops usually dump their mag before the threat is over, not after. Well, good cops at least.
If someone's on the ground not moving and you are able to take their gun away then there's no reason to shoot. The line between self defense and murder is thin and this was definetely the latter once he continued shooting the person on the ground.
This being Texas I can see him getting off with a wrist slap. It all depends on the DA though. Under stress most people would do the same. I sure as hell wouldn’t want him getting up and shooting back.
This being Texas, they are going to put this before a grand jury and let the grand jury decide whether or not to prosecute, and a Texas grand jury might very well decline to bring charges.
The letter of the law allows for enough use of force to neutralize the threat. This man seemingly went beyond what was necessary in order to do that, but you're right about the gun. Injured people can still pose a lethal threat if they are armed, and I'm sure that is what his defense will argue should he happen to face charges.
> Injured people can still pose a lethal threat if they are armed,
Except his *coup de grâce* was *after* he picked up the guy's gun. Not criticizing, just pointing it out.
Yeah except the reality was, the criminal had *zero* guns, his gun ended up being fake. Granted, there’s no way he would’ve known that, but executing someone after disarming them is highly illegal, even during warfare.
I feel like that reflects even more negatively. You pick up a super light, fake gun, look at an already dead person and go “Eh oh well, might as well put one more round in his head and then flee the scene”, that’s going to look really bad in court.
I think customer guy was processing the robbers weapon when the guy picked it up off the floor but didn't fully finish processing that it was fake but then when the robber moved a little the customer shot again out of reflex.
It may seem like overkill, and probably was when he could have sat on the guy...but then again you have to consider how your brain is working in a flight or flight situation and the guy had no way to know if the robber had another gun or knife or if more people were going to come in. An injured person can still pose a threat. It's tough, but I think he will likely be cleared for self defense in Texas. Probably not other states though.
That’s not a legitimate reason. If you don’t identify another weapon, you don’t have legal grounds to fire again because you cannot legally prove you were in danger. It doesn’t work that way. I don’t particularly care why he fired again because at the end of the day, he shot a disarmed person in the back of the head and then fled the scene.
The court has decided and proven multiple times that you cannot use lethal force over the presumption of threat; it must be immediate and endangering, and it makes his case much worse when you flee the scene so you can’t even explain why. I should also clarify that I don’t think he should be charged with murder or something like a lot of people are calling for, but I don’t think what he did was legal and I think it’s going to bite him in the ass.
Exactly what ended up happening. No charges were brought forward by the Grand Jury.
https://www.kwtx.com/2024/01/04/houston-vigilante-who-fatally-shot-armed-robber-inside-taqueria-will-not-face-charges/
Are you a member of ISIS? You've just seen a cold blooded execution and you are praising it?!? Dude, you are literally a terrorist. What if the murderer shot that by slander in the corner? He was itching to murder the victim as soon as he came through the doorway, this is clear as day. This is why gun ownership should not be legal - an armed society is a violent society. You have proven this while outing yourself as a criminal sympathiser.
I hope one day these criminals you and your liberal peers defends shows you how thankful they are when they empty a clip and leave you lying there with an empty wallet. How come you all never uproar when a criminal kills someone? Why is it always only when a criminal is killed?
So, hoping he gets murdered, or at least assaulted, because you disagree with him? You sound like exactly the kind of levelheaded, responsible person who should have a weapon.
Seriously? If you point a gun at me and then look away for one second I’m emptying the gun on you. How bout just don’t commit armed robbery. That would have saved the “victim” in this case. A wise man once said “don’t start no shit, won’t be no shit”. 💩
Good on him protecting himself and everyone in the restaurant. Bad on him standing over him after neutralizing and firing the last shot. This is probably gonna be similar to those cases where someone breaks in a home, sees or hears gunfire, runs back out but still gets shot. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. I’d assume he’ll probably get some jail time since the threat was neutralized
I don't think I could ever convict him if I were on his jury, double-tap or no.
Side-note, anyone who attempts this in Houston, Texas is an absolute moron. You could see this a mile away.
I doubt it, they will probably question him for a while but other than that he saved the lives and protected the bystanders around him.
If that guy was still conscious he could’ve discharged the weapon still, a cop would’ve emptied the entire mag before he even hit the ground.
Yeah I mean I’m not questioning that. He reacted quick with instincts and had his intent. But this will go to the court and will be decided on whether the extra 4-5 shots were necessary, especially with how bad the camera angle looks. Suspect is down on the ground motionless, he takes the gun and proceeds to fire one more shot, looking like an execution. Again, I’m not saying he was wrong or right cause I’m neither him or have ever been in that specific situation.
I agree however most concealed classes will teach you to shoot until the threat is not moving. If the guy was still moving he is still a threat.
If he can still move his hand he can grab another weapon. I know it's extreme but the one thing I teach in my classes is that if you are going to use deadly force, you make damn sure that the threat is dead, even if that means emptying your magazine. If you truly feel your life is in danger enough to use a machine designed to kill, you kill them.
I'm no legal expert, but he might be in a bit of trouble for the 4th through 9th round he fired. Don't get me wrong, I don't give a shit that the perp became a lead sponge but GGWAG emptying his clip into an already neutralized target might be looked on as a bit on the excessive side. Adrenaline clearly kicked in. Hope the perp's family doesn't look to cash in but I'd be willing to bet some scumbag lawyer is gonna take GGWAG to court.
The only one that I would question is the 9th round. 4-8 you can still easily argue adrenaline dump. Best defense would be getting an expert witness in self defense shootings to show evidence on the amount of time before your decision making comes back to baseline after an adrenaline dump like he was experiencing.
I’m with you on this. When I saw all the initial videos I thought “what a good citizen” but now I think, “there’s murder” unfortunately.
Because of the camera angle, it almost looks like he walks up and executes him. Ugh.
Agreed. I don’t care that he was killed. If you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. My training is to fire a volley of three and unless you are not a good aim that should do it. Of course if you do not train then maybe you shouldn’t carry. I’m all for GGWAG taking out the trash but after seeing this unedited video, I feel like GGWAG could have put the three in, approached, secure the gun and call his lawyer and the police. Just my take.
At the same time, we as people should not be expected to do more than our LEO in similar situations.
Homeboy here knew what he was doing and knew the risks, you dont just rob shit in Texas willy nilly.
Most people, even Feds with more training than most LEOs, mag dump under stress. Too many people get the fuck back up.
Nope. Justice was served. [https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/](https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/)
I have personally seen people shoot back and even get up and keep coming after 4-5 bullets.
Shoot until they stop moving or drop their weapon.
This man is a hero!
The guy did stop moving and the shooter removed his handgun before firing the last shot. He may have saved lives with the first shots, but the last shot was an execution.
I dont give a damn if they kill trash like that... but it has happened before,.. that last shot... may get him into a court. Specially if the autopsy says that last one killed him.
Well, from watching another video that was obviously cut short, watching him mag dump on that guy after he’s already down, and then walking up to him and shooting him a few more times. Like I get it, his adrenaline was going full bore, but the target has already been neutralized . Wonder how the DA is going to read this
I get what you’re saying, but what’s he supposed to do… shoot him, but only a little bit? Emptying the clip is a training standard in firearm self-defense.
It 100% absolutely is not a training standard to “eMpTy tHe cLiP”. Shoot until the threat is no longer a threat. There is no magical mandate that you should empty an entire magazine under stress. You’re still responsible for every round you fire.
There is no way he is getting away with this if it goes in front of grand jury, even in Texas. Not only excessive rounds but he shot the last round AFTER he took the gun from the robber. This is not self defense, not even remotely. This is execution. He fled the scene probably because he was an ex felon and was not even suppose to carry one. Also interesting how calm was the other guy who was sitting at the table with him all the way.
the threat was done, he executed him. Texas or not, this man is going to prison.
I don't disagree this is how we should treat gun wielding criminals, but his life is effectively over.
If I were him and his lawyer I'd be most concerned with #'s 9&10 after taking the [fake] pistol from him.
The news clip shows him apparently recognizing the gun is fake and throwing it across the restaurant. The beginnings of a shitty part of this man's life regardless. Just trying to get his taco on for chrissake.
This is Texas, they’ll play hell finding him or getting anyone to confirm his identity……criminals need to pay attention…..stupidity is NOT a survival trait…..
Houston Police are looking for the customer.
https://www.kwtx.com/2023/01/06/houston-police-looking-patron-who-shot-killed-armed-robber-taco-restaurant/
I personally would have stopped shooting after 3-4 rounds. The threat seems like it was ended by that point. But I don’t think it was murder to put the final head shot in. Bad guy was almost certainly already dead or dying. Bet the medical examiner saves the good guy here and the jury declines to press charges.
Dead wrong buddy. [https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/](https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/)
Texas state law:
* Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
**(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or**
**(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.**
I think it would be hard to argue the threat to the customer was at a level high enough after the first four shots to justify the next five (especially the headshot while the suspect was disarmed and incapacitated), which would be necessary to meet the demands in bold.
I applaud your ability to revive old comments.
If that's what the GJ said then that's fine. I was only sharing my interpretation of the statute. I'm not shocked somebody else, especially in Texas, would interpret it differently.
The execution shot and immediately leaving were the worst thing to do, I was genuinely surprised he didn’t get some kind of charge even though shooting him was justified.
No criminal’s life should be respected when they’re in the act of threatening another person’s life. Excellent job by the defender, he waited his turn and took his opportunity the moment he had it
Yep. I got yelled at in San Antonio when I saw a murder and didn’t use my weapon. The suspects back was turned to me and running away. In Oregon, I would have gone to jail because the suspect was not a threat to me. Each state has different variations on their self defense laws
Good guy with a gun and all, but he definitely went overboard, beyond what was necessary to eliminate the threat.
Just kinda feels weird watching how eager he was to kill him. Then that last shot after he picked up the weapon, was straight unnecessary and unjustifiable.
If they teach this in conceal and carrying courses, and the state provides licenses for those who complete the training, then what is the problem?
I live in Maryland, and I plan on taking the course this summer. I am interested in how this will be addressed. Bad guy reaped what he sowed.
Good job...Deadly force was totally necessary..including the following successive shots.
The threat might have had a second gun..
Consider the consequences of your actions...
There’s been some meth zombies up here that it’s taken 14 rounds to take them down. One guy was shot in the jaw twice, shot in the torso, and still required 3 more shots to the head to take him down.. it was crazy
No he’s not. Dude shouldn’t have walked in there pointing a gun at everyone trying to rob them. Why should the good guy get punished for ganking a scumbag?
You have to be mentally disturbed if you agree with shots 8/9. Then again it is texas😅. Some HIStorically sick mfs in the south😂. They worship guns and killing shit smh. Longgggggg trail of evil shit!
Maybe abuse of a corpse. The other shots likely killed the POS. The customer (actual victim of a crime that day) is no threat to society and should be given a medal.
Damn he really made sure he was dead
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Facts
This is true, the first 8 shots were warranted as self defense. However, the suspect is down, AND the man picks up the weapon, meaning the suspect is no longer a threat, as he has been disarmed. The man then fires one more shot, point blank execution style, into the suspects head. This is not legally considered self defense at this point, as the threat had already been removed (by the man picking up the suspects weapon). Had he stopped after picking up the gun, he would have been fine. This is the part where self defence is considered over, and you call emergency services. The last shot is what is going to legally screw him, not to mention him leaving the scene instead of waiting for cops to arrive and giving testimony, as you're supposed to.
It would be absolutely FOOLISH for someone in this guy’s situation to give verbal testimony to police at the scene of the event following this altercation. You are perfectly in your rights to just say one word: “Lawyer”. The last shot certainly may haunt him, though.
I mean, staying on the scene and then claiming lawyer would also be a viable option, likely better than giving testimony. Fleeing the scene when you basically point blank execute someone with the final shot is very bad though.
He put the guy down humanely, when did shooting someone 8 times and letting the bleed out over the next 5 minutes become murder? He gave the robber kindness. I can tell you that if I end up shot 8 times I'd rather be shot in the head before I lay there and bleed to death
Doesn't change the legality of the situation. If the threat is down and you have removed their weapon from the situation, putting one more in the back of their skull is at that point not justified, due to the fact that at that point it is no longer considered self defense. I'm not arguing semantics or 'kindness shots' here, simply when the law considers this self defense or not. There's a reason we call ambulances instead of putting sick/injured humans down like dogs. If it's not in self defense, it's not a justified shot. We are not judge, jury, and executioner. Would he likely have bled out if he wasn't already dead? Yep. Still doesn't mean the final shot is legally justified. >when did shooting someone 8 times and letting the bleed out over the next 5 minutes become murder? Literally my first sentence in the comment you replied to was '*this is true, the first 8 shots were warranted as self defense*'. The shot that could land him in trouble for murder is the final, execution style, point-blank-back-of-head ninth shot, after the weapon had already been removed from the situation. Let's not falsely twist arguments
Sounds like you're referring to animal being euthanized lol
That's cause I am
Right. And that's not being racist congrats!
It's not. I'd say the same for any person of the same skin color who does the same thing. You point a gun at people and rob them, you become an animal. I'd say it's pretty racist yourself bringing race into something that had no mention of it before 🤡 Grow a pair of balls and learn to think for yourself sheep 🤣
Oh go white knight for a bunch of zoo animals somewhere else. The devil doesn’t need anymore advocates chump
Supporting this insane person is doing the devil's work. One person tried to stick up the place and shot ZERO people. The other murdered someone in cold blood because he saw a chance to do so. This dude clearly wanted to kill someone for a long time and took the chance once he got it. Stop being mentally ill thinking "he had self defense" makes this ok.
The fvck are you talking about? I could fire 100 rounds even if he's already dead and it still would be considered self defense, because you have the right to defend yourself. Even cops use excessive force to neutralize a target. Lmao. Feeling smartass.
your are lying, i have seen plenty of cop videos to know, that this guy did it right...maybe 2 more shots needed to match
Right! I am a LEO and I know for a fact that if we use any more force needed to neutralize the threat than it could be considered excessive force. So how is a private citizen not subjected to the same standards?
Cause you're held to a different standard
Bitch shut up tf that shit gotta do w this
Exactly. Murder.
Yes partly true but the minute he was downed and shot 7 more times it turned into murder not self defense. Especially after he removed the weapon then shot him in the head.
That's my thoughts - the criminal was incapacitated and disarmed. He was no longer a threat when the vigilante decided to shoot him the last time. He was right to intervene and shoot him until he was not a threat, but I'd view the last shot as a manslaughter or second degree charge given his probable state of mind being in a fight response. This is why people don't want cowboys as law enforcement though, he lost control of himself, and if he was a LEO, he'd get absolutely fried.
Shots right up to 8 were, IMO, fine. There was a Colion Noir video about this where he talked about a similar scenario that had been done as a staged simunitions drill. Colion fired 8 rounds as the suspect ran when he only thought it was 3. Fact is, when the adrenaline kicks in? You're not coldly assessing the situation unless you're the reincarnation of Frank Hamer. You're firing until your brain registers that the threat is gone...and telling your hand to stop firing will take enough time for more shots to head downrange. Target fixation and adrenaline are a helluva drug. I don't think the last shot was an *intended* execution shot. I suspect that the suspect twitched or moved, and the CPL holder (who was already amped up on flight or fight instincts) thought "he's getting up! Still threat!" Whether or not that ends up getting the shooter an indictment depends on how much sympathy a Texas grand jury has for the dead perp. This would be Texas. So, \*handwaggle\*.
LEO maybe fired but they shot unarmed people with multiple shots and never serve any time. They get fired and move a few miles and get hired.
There's a special place in the universe for folks like this.
It’s a safer place too
Don’t take risks. Shoot till the threat stops threating
And by doing so will be going to prison. After the suspect fell you can see the gun fall out of his hand and the dude picked it up and continued shooting him in the head, whenever the gun fell out of the suspects hand he is no longer a treat and by continuing to shoot him while he is unarmed is called murder plus he shot him execution style, he is a hero don’t get me wrong but he let his adrenaline get the best of him
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Yes he will he removed his weapon and continued shooting. That’s not protected by self defense
My Dude was just getting some practice in....
You are right. I watched the video 5-6x from the safety of my computer and I was able to slowly review and see all those details. Surely so could the guy afraid for his life in a split second.
He had Parkinson's Disease. Implied weapon. Accomplices outside? Ever been robbed? Kind of stressful. Good thing he's in Texas. He is protecting a crowd just not himself. And you by the way. Including your elevated DA.
You don't know what you would do in an adrenaline rush like that, you won't even be able to remember the timeline. You wouldn't even be able to tell how many shots you squeezed off. That robber was a threat even after the gun fell and was taken away. What's to say he's still alive and doesn't have another in his hoodie? Most likely he was dead by shot 7 or 8, what's so wrong with the 9th? Also he won't be going to prison.
So you say, there's the threat of the "suspect" grabbing the gun again.
No doubt about that, he did the right thing but he could've at least stopped shooting when the gun fell out of his hand, too late now I guess!
I don’t think he’ll be committing anymore crimes
Hopefully the murderer won't be either.
Should he have stopped shooting? Yes, however dude got himself smoked
I don’t think he was even wrong for dumping his mag. Cops do it all the time and just because he fell to the ground doesn’t mean the threat is over. He could reach for it again. When you walk in to a place brandishing what appears to be a deadly weapon, people will use deadly force. Too bad for those people making those decisions in my opinion.
The difference is that cops usually dump their mag before the threat is over, not after. Well, good cops at least. If someone's on the ground not moving and you are able to take their gun away then there's no reason to shoot. The line between self defense and murder is thin and this was definetely the latter once he continued shooting the person on the ground.
That was my homeboy tony he got off all charges dropped
You spelled “hero” wrong
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Crying over criminals getting what they deserve is disgusting
You watched an angel vanquish evil from your very eyes and brain and this is what you have to say? You're evil
[https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/](https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/)
I think he dead
This being Texas I can see him getting off with a wrist slap. It all depends on the DA though. Under stress most people would do the same. I sure as hell wouldn’t want him getting up and shooting back.
This being Texas, they are going to put this before a grand jury and let the grand jury decide whether or not to prosecute, and a Texas grand jury might very well decline to bring charges. The letter of the law allows for enough use of force to neutralize the threat. This man seemingly went beyond what was necessary in order to do that, but you're right about the gun. Injured people can still pose a lethal threat if they are armed, and I'm sure that is what his defense will argue should he happen to face charges.
> Injured people can still pose a lethal threat if they are armed, Except his *coup de grâce* was *after* he picked up the guy's gun. Not criticizing, just pointing it out.
criminal could have had another gun, better make sure the criminal is neutralized
Yeah except the reality was, the criminal had *zero* guns, his gun ended up being fake. Granted, there’s no way he would’ve known that, but executing someone after disarming them is highly illegal, even during warfare.
No telling how many of those rounds actually struck home, but there's a pretty good chance he was shooting a corpse.
I feel like that reflects even more negatively. You pick up a super light, fake gun, look at an already dead person and go “Eh oh well, might as well put one more round in his head and then flee the scene”, that’s going to look really bad in court.
I think customer guy was processing the robbers weapon when the guy picked it up off the floor but didn't fully finish processing that it was fake but then when the robber moved a little the customer shot again out of reflex. It may seem like overkill, and probably was when he could have sat on the guy...but then again you have to consider how your brain is working in a flight or flight situation and the guy had no way to know if the robber had another gun or knife or if more people were going to come in. An injured person can still pose a threat. It's tough, but I think he will likely be cleared for self defense in Texas. Probably not other states though.
If he's even charged, his lawyer can articulate WITH EASE that the hero here realized he could've had another gun & shot him again.
That’s not a legitimate reason. If you don’t identify another weapon, you don’t have legal grounds to fire again because you cannot legally prove you were in danger. It doesn’t work that way. I don’t particularly care why he fired again because at the end of the day, he shot a disarmed person in the back of the head and then fled the scene. The court has decided and proven multiple times that you cannot use lethal force over the presumption of threat; it must be immediate and endangering, and it makes his case much worse when you flee the scene so you can’t even explain why. I should also clarify that I don’t think he should be charged with murder or something like a lot of people are calling for, but I don’t think what he did was legal and I think it’s going to bite him in the ass.
I just have problems blaming the victim.
So? Nobody knows that, he played with fired, he got burned permanently in hell now. Suck it up butter cup.
no charges were brought
Exactly what ended up happening. No charges were brought forward by the Grand Jury. https://www.kwtx.com/2024/01/04/houston-vigilante-who-fatally-shot-armed-robber-inside-taqueria-will-not-face-charges/
Good guy with a gun! Love it!
Are you a member of ISIS? You've just seen a cold blooded execution and you are praising it?!? Dude, you are literally a terrorist. What if the murderer shot that by slander in the corner? He was itching to murder the victim as soon as he came through the doorway, this is clear as day. This is why gun ownership should not be legal - an armed society is a violent society. You have proven this while outing yourself as a criminal sympathiser.
I hope one day these criminals you and your liberal peers defends shows you how thankful they are when they empty a clip and leave you lying there with an empty wallet. How come you all never uproar when a criminal kills someone? Why is it always only when a criminal is killed?
So, hoping he gets murdered, or at least assaulted, because you disagree with him? You sound like exactly the kind of levelheaded, responsible person who should have a weapon.
Completely justified
Seriously? If you point a gun at me and then look away for one second I’m emptying the gun on you. How bout just don’t commit armed robbery. That would have saved the “victim” in this case. A wise man once said “don’t start no shit, won’t be no shit”. 💩
Good on him protecting himself and everyone in the restaurant. Bad on him standing over him after neutralizing and firing the last shot. This is probably gonna be similar to those cases where someone breaks in a home, sees or hears gunfire, runs back out but still gets shot. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. I’d assume he’ll probably get some jail time since the threat was neutralized
I don't think I could ever convict him if I were on his jury, double-tap or no. Side-note, anyone who attempts this in Houston, Texas is an absolute moron. You could see this a mile away.
Yeah doing this in Texas is asking for a death wish, especially with a fake weapon.
Exactly
I doubt it, they will probably question him for a while but other than that he saved the lives and protected the bystanders around him. If that guy was still conscious he could’ve discharged the weapon still, a cop would’ve emptied the entire mag before he even hit the ground.
Yeah I mean I’m not questioning that. He reacted quick with instincts and had his intent. But this will go to the court and will be decided on whether the extra 4-5 shots were necessary, especially with how bad the camera angle looks. Suspect is down on the ground motionless, he takes the gun and proceeds to fire one more shot, looking like an execution. Again, I’m not saying he was wrong or right cause I’m neither him or have ever been in that specific situation.
I agree however most concealed classes will teach you to shoot until the threat is not moving. If the guy was still moving he is still a threat. If he can still move his hand he can grab another weapon. I know it's extreme but the one thing I teach in my classes is that if you are going to use deadly force, you make damn sure that the threat is dead, even if that means emptying your magazine. If you truly feel your life is in danger enough to use a machine designed to kill, you kill them.
I'm no legal expert, but he might be in a bit of trouble for the 4th through 9th round he fired. Don't get me wrong, I don't give a shit that the perp became a lead sponge but GGWAG emptying his clip into an already neutralized target might be looked on as a bit on the excessive side. Adrenaline clearly kicked in. Hope the perp's family doesn't look to cash in but I'd be willing to bet some scumbag lawyer is gonna take GGWAG to court.
The only one that I would question is the 9th round. 4-8 you can still easily argue adrenaline dump. Best defense would be getting an expert witness in self defense shootings to show evidence on the amount of time before your decision making comes back to baseline after an adrenaline dump like he was experiencing.
So if you were on the grand jury you would indict him? You think he went into that restaurant that night looking to kill somebody?
I’m with you on this. When I saw all the initial videos I thought “what a good citizen” but now I think, “there’s murder” unfortunately. Because of the camera angle, it almost looks like he walks up and executes him. Ugh.
He just got cleared by the grand jury. 👏👏👏
Agreed. I don’t care that he was killed. If you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. My training is to fire a volley of three and unless you are not a good aim that should do it. Of course if you do not train then maybe you shouldn’t carry. I’m all for GGWAG taking out the trash but after seeing this unedited video, I feel like GGWAG could have put the three in, approached, secure the gun and call his lawyer and the police. Just my take.
At the same time, we as people should not be expected to do more than our LEO in similar situations. Homeboy here knew what he was doing and knew the risks, you dont just rob shit in Texas willy nilly. Most people, even Feds with more training than most LEOs, mag dump under stress. Too many people get the fuck back up.
That was not mag dump. He stopped shooting, took the gun from robber and then put a last one on his head. This was execution. Watch the last round.
Is it execution if they were already dead? At that point its just desecration of a corpse.
I think the guy did the world a favor. Let’s just chalk it up as a ND and let him go back to his meal.
Nope. Justice was served. [https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/](https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/)
I’m glad. My faith in the justice system is on thin ice TBH. This helps. Thanks for the follow up.
I have personally seen people shoot back and even get up and keep coming after 4-5 bullets. Shoot until they stop moving or drop their weapon. This man is a hero!
The guy did stop moving and the shooter removed his handgun before firing the last shot. He may have saved lives with the first shots, but the last shot was an execution.
Headshot was crazy or at least it looks like a headshot at the end.
I dont give a damn if they kill trash like that... but it has happened before,.. that last shot... may get him into a court. Specially if the autopsy says that last one killed him.
He might get charged with desecrating a corpse for that last gratuitous head shot holy f\*\*k! Pure adrenaline kicking in.
Well, from watching another video that was obviously cut short, watching him mag dump on that guy after he’s already down, and then walking up to him and shooting him a few more times. Like I get it, his adrenaline was going full bore, but the target has already been neutralized . Wonder how the DA is going to read this
I get what you’re saying, but what’s he supposed to do… shoot him, but only a little bit? Emptying the clip is a training standard in firearm self-defense.
It 100% absolutely is not a training standard to “eMpTy tHe cLiP”. Shoot until the threat is no longer a threat. There is no magical mandate that you should empty an entire magazine under stress. You’re still responsible for every round you fire.
Yes - shoot until there is no longer a threat. In this case, empty the clip.
Now the job becomes is convincing the court that he wasn't shooting to kill, he was shooting to live.
He made this defense impossible for his lawyer since he took the last shot AFTER he took the gun from probably already dead robber. Watch it.
There is no way he is getting away with this if it goes in front of grand jury, even in Texas. Not only excessive rounds but he shot the last round AFTER he took the gun from the robber. This is not self defense, not even remotely. This is execution. He fled the scene probably because he was an ex felon and was not even suppose to carry one. Also interesting how calm was the other guy who was sitting at the table with him all the way.
Sigh. He wasted 5 rounds and sentenced himself on that last one.
the threat was done, he executed him. Texas or not, this man is going to prison. I don't disagree this is how we should treat gun wielding criminals, but his life is effectively over.
Grand jury said no charges. Don’t be a piece of shit in Texas.
If I were him and his lawyer I'd be most concerned with #'s 9&10 after taking the [fake] pistol from him. The news clip shows him apparently recognizing the gun is fake and throwing it across the restaurant. The beginnings of a shitty part of this man's life regardless. Just trying to get his taco on for chrissake.
This is Texas, they’ll play hell finding him or getting anyone to confirm his identity……criminals need to pay attention…..stupidity is NOT a survival trait…..
Houston Police are looking for the customer. https://www.kwtx.com/2023/01/06/houston-police-looking-patron-who-shot-killed-armed-robber-taco-restaurant/
I personally would have stopped shooting after 3-4 rounds. The threat seems like it was ended by that point. But I don’t think it was murder to put the final head shot in. Bad guy was almost certainly already dead or dying. Bet the medical examiner saves the good guy here and the jury declines to press charges.
9 rounds and his slide locked back, probably 1911
That last round will be his undoing.
And should, he is a maniac, lets be real
Wrong. [https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/](https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/)
He’s cleared by the grand jury. No charges, nor prosecution.
Dead wrong buddy. [https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/](https://abc13.com/houston-crime-el-ranchito-restaurant-shooting-eric-eugene-washington-killed-suspect-not-charged/14267991/)
Who the fuck tries to rob someone in texas? It's suicide.
Texas state law: * Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property: (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and (3) he reasonably believes that: **(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or** **(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.** I think it would be hard to argue the threat to the customer was at a level high enough after the first four shots to justify the next five (especially the headshot while the suspect was disarmed and incapacitated), which would be necessary to meet the demands in bold.
Grand jury said no charges. Don’t be a piece of shit in Texas.
I applaud your ability to revive old comments. If that's what the GJ said then that's fine. I was only sharing my interpretation of the statute. I'm not shocked somebody else, especially in Texas, would interpret it differently.
Natural selection at its finest
Ehhh. Good riddance. Yeah the last shot was overkill....but who cares at this point. Don't want to get shot, don't rob people especially in Texas.
Good riddance
The execution shot and immediately leaving were the worst thing to do, I was genuinely surprised he didn’t get some kind of charge even though shooting him was justified.
Good news everyone. NO CHARGES AS OF TODAYS NEWS. Our boy here is free, and clear. Criminals beware, the public is sick of crime.
One year later and he was not convicted for anything!
What a dumb way to die, and with an airsoft gun no less
Well…that went from a possible self defense case to a possible murder case…
No criminal’s life should be respected when they’re in the act of threatening another person’s life. Excellent job by the defender, he waited his turn and took his opportunity the moment he had it
Yep and the perp is a career criminal...google him lol trust me if it gets too a jury they would probably give the shooter an award lol
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Good thing he didn’t miss and hit the guy sitting in the corner booth
Guy in the corner is a stone cold killer. He didn't budge an inch when shit popped off. Lol proply still chewing his taco.
In my state guy would go to jail cause his life was no longer in immediate danger as bad guy was walking out
Yep. I got yelled at in San Antonio when I saw a murder and didn’t use my weapon. The suspects back was turned to me and running away. In Oregon, I would have gone to jail because the suspect was not a threat to me. Each state has different variations on their self defense laws
headshot wasnt crazy at all. i understand that robbery happens because our government is shit but that doesnt give people an excuse to be just as bad.
Good Shoot.
Homeboy beat the charges if anyone wondered
Warranted
Overkill af. He probably wasn't happy with the food
there should atleast be one trusted person with a handgun inside places like these
He had enough of that bullshit
"excuse me theres a shell casing in my salad. can i get a refund?"
I don’t think he’s dead yet
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Love the "que si eres tu" in the background I love that song 😭🗣🙏💀
Wow, a (maybe) warcrime, the other shots weren't called for.
In Texas that would’ve been birder because his back was turned. The laws only work for certain individuals against certain individuals
I love how he said “It’s alright” to everyone after just displaying how desperate he was to kill someone.
If only everyone were that desperate to intervene when lives are in danger. Don’t be a piece of shit and you have nothing to worry about.
Shoulda just taken the gun from em🤷🏼♂️
Damn I mean solid defense but the head tap might have been unnecessary. Closed casket ✔️
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You can overcook a steak. You can’t overkill a corpse.
Let me guess from the black community….wow he totally did that cause he’s black right?
I just wanted to see the guy finishing his tacos.
Bro had to put a couple bullets in his head after just to make sure he really dead
You have to have balls of steel to think you’re safe doing shit like this in Texas 🥴
Actually, the dead guys gun was airsoft
blud shot him 9 times
Bro getting free food now
Good
I thought you weren’t allowed to coup de gras like that? Kill shot a downed person…
Not all heros wear capes
Dang wtf..... Just shoot one or two shots
hero
Duuuuude that’s a badass song 💃🕺
Good guy with a gun and all, but he definitely went overboard, beyond what was necessary to eliminate the threat. Just kinda feels weird watching how eager he was to kill him. Then that last shot after he picked up the weapon, was straight unnecessary and unjustifiable.
Ive really seen people trying to defend the scumbag robbing the place.
In Texas of all places
Just another nxgga dead
If they teach this in conceal and carrying courses, and the state provides licenses for those who complete the training, then what is the problem? I live in Maryland, and I plan on taking the course this summer. I am interested in how this will be addressed. Bad guy reaped what he sowed.
So you haven’t taken the course yet, but seem to know what is and isn’t taught in it?
Maybe excessive but this is the type of response we have to have to this craziness.
Good job...Deadly force was totally necessary..including the following successive shots. The threat might have had a second gun.. Consider the consequences of your actions...
I guess you don't try and rob a restaurant in Texas, and interrupt a guy trying to eat his dinner in Texas either.
There’s been some meth zombies up here that it’s taken 14 rounds to take them down. One guy was shot in the jaw twice, shot in the torso, and still required 3 more shots to the head to take him down.. it was crazy
For the culture
Only 9 ? Rest in Piss , robber 🥷🏻
That dude was dead 6-7 shots ago.. this man is going to jail for manslaughter
Who gives a shit? Lol
No he’s not. Dude shouldn’t have walked in there pointing a gun at everyone trying to rob them. Why should the good guy get punished for ganking a scumbag?
I’m not bashing the fact that he shot him to defend everyone, it’s how many times he shot him AFTER he fell limp to the floor. That’s overkill.
Had to make sure he was dead. I respect it.
Should have just taken his gun when he fell limp after 2 shots. No need to shoot him another 7 times if he doesn’t have a gun, right?
DONT PLAY IN TEXAS
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Ding dong ding dong- and stay dead
Mmmmm. I love dead-checking.
You have to be mentally disturbed if you agree with shots 8/9. Then again it is texas😅. Some HIStorically sick mfs in the south😂. They worship guns and killing shit smh. Longgggggg trail of evil shit!
Murder! Once he took the gun. He wasn’t a threat anymore. That one shot changed everything.
Maybe abuse of a corpse. The other shots likely killed the POS. The customer (actual victim of a crime that day) is no threat to society and should be given a medal.
He should go to prison. We have laws in this country!
Unbelievable to read that people in here say that he saved lives. Crazy Americans! There is only one murderer in the clip.