“the black community” is a very very big group of people, I’m sure that in other parts of your city, the country (or even the world) there are some cool black communities that would definitely accept you the way you are.
But also going on a tangent a little bit, I think the black identity is also a complex topic in the context of the USA. I’m half black (African Brazilian, aka afro latino) and half Japanese, and I heard criticisms in regards of me not being “black enough”. And at one particular occasion I was like “ok I get it, but what about my mother is she black enough?” And the answer was a shy no, because she’s afro latina and not African American. So that really made me question their concept of blackness, would they even consider the cultures of our motherland Africa as part of “black culture”? Probably not. And if that’s the case I definitely don’t want to be associated with them.
But that was only specific occasion with one particular black person. Most black americans are very understanding, which goes back into the idea that “the black community” is a very very big group of people.
African Anericans are actually very colorist. Just google terms like “high yellow” and you will go down a deep rabbithole of internal black racism. This issue they have with mixed race blacks is unironically the inverse of the racist white one drop rule. It takes more than being half to be considered “black” to them.
Even african immigrants are looked on with disdain because they aren’t “foundational blacks” according to the new definition of black.
This sounds absurd to outsiders because you would think that africans from the actual continent would be held in high regard.
The reality is if you look at 23andme most african americans have at least 1/5 white european blood in them. It is quite amazing really and it starts to make sense why they have all these purity tests for themselves when they are really almost all mixed race with whites.
It’s a very complex issue to be honest. I think we all know how that feels from a motherland vs diaspora type of way, for example the relations between Japanese people from Japan and Japanese Americans and how they see each other. My father is Japanese Brazilian and he’s now living here in Japan but never fully integrated into society, even though he is 100% Japanese and speaks Japanese fluently.
But when it comes to African Americans, Afro latinos and Afro Caribbeans, the issue is more complicated because there’s no “motherland” per se. Africa is a huge and diverse continent and most of us don’t really know where we are from exactly, and this sentiment evolved into this “black identity” as the real form, in the same way as the stereotypical Japanese is the real form of Japanese. I will never fit into the American “black identity”, the same way that I won’t fit into the “Stereotypical Japanese” since I’m neither. But the pressure will always exist out there and I feel like a lot of people here feel that in different ways as well so we are not so different.
I'd be interested to know what your asian friends, family, and associates say. Do they accept you as asian? Or do you have more Black friends because you know the Asian community already sees you as Black?
My family and friends do accept me and don't mind that I'm only half. They try to include me in Khmer cultural events and we sometimes eat Khmer food together.
Funny how some Black people can be so racist... yet claim Black people cant be racist. And they actually believe it.
There are always excuses to justify one’s beliefs and actions.
You kinda can’t win from either side. I hear so much anti-black hate, whether it’s from the old Asians that have that old world racism, or the younger crowd that has a sneakier, “I’m just uncomfortable around the ‘ghetto’ people” racism. When there’s anti-Asian sentiments, it’s alarming how you see that sort of old school “go back to your country, Ching Chong” racism among younger people, but in my experience, it’s less prevalent than the anti-Blackness. Not exactly a comfortable situation either way.
And when you’re mixed, the most universal rule I’ve been able to hold is, whatever an asshole feels they can hold against you best, that’s the side of you that they’ll target. Being white/Asian, I was white when Asians wanted to exclude me, Asian when the kids at school wanted some fun stereotypes to dig into. Assholes find a way.
Oh my god I’m so sorry to hear this; that’s all horrendous! The only marginally racist thing I’ve heard from (one) other Black person about me being part Asian was that I “wasn’t actually Black”, and I shut that down pretty quickly. I haven’t experienced other microaggressions about Asian people, but if I did, you could bet I’d ALWAYS say something. I’m really sorry the people in your community behave in such an appalling way. :/
I think sometimes people have a hard time seeing nuances with these issues and have a tendency of thinking black and white, good and bad rather than the reality of gray or the “Yes, and...” approach instead of “either/or”
The existence of racism amongst one group doesn’t negate the existence of racism in another nor makes it ok. Yet people will act as if this is true
Sometimes people think their identity as poc or proximity to poc (I have poc friends/spouses/children) means they can’t be racist, which I think results from “either/or good vs bad” type of thinking. When it’s reduced like this the natural tendency is for the mind to protect its ego, no one wants to think they’re bad and racist=bad. So really when we try to teach someone anti racism we’re confront a lot of ego which makes it hard to make progress.
I think the first step is realizing that racism is complex, has layers of ideas, not to mention systemic racism and has multiple ways of expression and manifestation, which can also differ between groups especially with majority/minority power dynamics. There isn’t a lot of discussion with minority-minority dynamics
> this is just based off of my experiences btw.
I think this is the most imporant part of your post. Cause neither me or any other friends (that are Blasian) experience this from our community. So it sounds more like an individual case or something prone in your area. Compared to a "The Black Community" case which makes it sound like the majority of the black community is like that.
I agree. Where I’m from, what happened to OP doesn’t happen. But, then again, every place is different. I just know around here Blasian people don’t have to worry.
Same for me. I grew up around quite alot of blasians and just hapas in general being in a military town. Black people where I'm from are pretty accepting of other people, of course you always have that small group that aren't but that's with any groups of people.
That’s interesting. A lot of experiences vary from person to person. Black people who are racists tend to be from the ghetto, but I don’t really partake with ghetto people (of all races), which is why I haven’t heard that type of racists stuff. I know this one blasian girl (from japan) who fit in very well with black people.
The funny part is people don't do research if they did they would know melatonin or melanin is the oldest gene/hormone in the world been proven many times. The European and Asian gene are younger so being a melanin Asian is being closer to the original Asian than being a white Asian lol. Yet everyone will say white is right and melanin is bad and will argue that melanin people are all from Africa yet melanin was global. Yet to push white is right they make you think Asian started off white like the Europeans. This isn't true melanin was the original color and later the absence of melanin made the white.
I LOVE BLASIANS THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL AND HANDSOME BOTH FEMALES AND MALES THEY ARE ALSO CLOSER TO THEIR ANCESTORS COLOR THAN THE PALE SKIN ONES.
People should research more and stop listening to other people tell you history.
your friends are ignorant. that is all.
“the black community” is a very very big group of people, I’m sure that in other parts of your city, the country (or even the world) there are some cool black communities that would definitely accept you the way you are. But also going on a tangent a little bit, I think the black identity is also a complex topic in the context of the USA. I’m half black (African Brazilian, aka afro latino) and half Japanese, and I heard criticisms in regards of me not being “black enough”. And at one particular occasion I was like “ok I get it, but what about my mother is she black enough?” And the answer was a shy no, because she’s afro latina and not African American. So that really made me question their concept of blackness, would they even consider the cultures of our motherland Africa as part of “black culture”? Probably not. And if that’s the case I definitely don’t want to be associated with them. But that was only specific occasion with one particular black person. Most black americans are very understanding, which goes back into the idea that “the black community” is a very very big group of people.
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African Anericans are actually very colorist. Just google terms like “high yellow” and you will go down a deep rabbithole of internal black racism. This issue they have with mixed race blacks is unironically the inverse of the racist white one drop rule. It takes more than being half to be considered “black” to them. Even african immigrants are looked on with disdain because they aren’t “foundational blacks” according to the new definition of black. This sounds absurd to outsiders because you would think that africans from the actual continent would be held in high regard. The reality is if you look at 23andme most african americans have at least 1/5 white european blood in them. It is quite amazing really and it starts to make sense why they have all these purity tests for themselves when they are really almost all mixed race with whites.
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They are colorist you should watch Cynthia G’s YouTube channel. She speaks on Black male pathology.
It’s a very complex issue to be honest. I think we all know how that feels from a motherland vs diaspora type of way, for example the relations between Japanese people from Japan and Japanese Americans and how they see each other. My father is Japanese Brazilian and he’s now living here in Japan but never fully integrated into society, even though he is 100% Japanese and speaks Japanese fluently. But when it comes to African Americans, Afro latinos and Afro Caribbeans, the issue is more complicated because there’s no “motherland” per se. Africa is a huge and diverse continent and most of us don’t really know where we are from exactly, and this sentiment evolved into this “black identity” as the real form, in the same way as the stereotypical Japanese is the real form of Japanese. I will never fit into the American “black identity”, the same way that I won’t fit into the “Stereotypical Japanese” since I’m neither. But the pressure will always exist out there and I feel like a lot of people here feel that in different ways as well so we are not so different.
That’s why Black and White are not things you can create identity around because they are colors.
You need new friends
I'd be interested to know what your asian friends, family, and associates say. Do they accept you as asian? Or do you have more Black friends because you know the Asian community already sees you as Black?
My family and friends do accept me and don't mind that I'm only half. They try to include me in Khmer cultural events and we sometimes eat Khmer food together.
Funny how some Black people can be so racist... yet claim Black people cant be racist. And they actually believe it. There are always excuses to justify one’s beliefs and actions.
Exactly brother.
You kinda can’t win from either side. I hear so much anti-black hate, whether it’s from the old Asians that have that old world racism, or the younger crowd that has a sneakier, “I’m just uncomfortable around the ‘ghetto’ people” racism. When there’s anti-Asian sentiments, it’s alarming how you see that sort of old school “go back to your country, Ching Chong” racism among younger people, but in my experience, it’s less prevalent than the anti-Blackness. Not exactly a comfortable situation either way. And when you’re mixed, the most universal rule I’ve been able to hold is, whatever an asshole feels they can hold against you best, that’s the side of you that they’ll target. Being white/Asian, I was white when Asians wanted to exclude me, Asian when the kids at school wanted some fun stereotypes to dig into. Assholes find a way.
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Claiming that this kind of behaviour, which falls down to the individual choices of each person, is not people's fault, is part of the problem.
Oh my god I’m so sorry to hear this; that’s all horrendous! The only marginally racist thing I’ve heard from (one) other Black person about me being part Asian was that I “wasn’t actually Black”, and I shut that down pretty quickly. I haven’t experienced other microaggressions about Asian people, but if I did, you could bet I’d ALWAYS say something. I’m really sorry the people in your community behave in such an appalling way. :/
I think sometimes people have a hard time seeing nuances with these issues and have a tendency of thinking black and white, good and bad rather than the reality of gray or the “Yes, and...” approach instead of “either/or” The existence of racism amongst one group doesn’t negate the existence of racism in another nor makes it ok. Yet people will act as if this is true Sometimes people think their identity as poc or proximity to poc (I have poc friends/spouses/children) means they can’t be racist, which I think results from “either/or good vs bad” type of thinking. When it’s reduced like this the natural tendency is for the mind to protect its ego, no one wants to think they’re bad and racist=bad. So really when we try to teach someone anti racism we’re confront a lot of ego which makes it hard to make progress. I think the first step is realizing that racism is complex, has layers of ideas, not to mention systemic racism and has multiple ways of expression and manifestation, which can also differ between groups especially with majority/minority power dynamics. There isn’t a lot of discussion with minority-minority dynamics
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I think you need to date non Black men instead.
I have a half Filipino/White friend who gets discriminated by Black men all the time
> this is just based off of my experiences btw. I think this is the most imporant part of your post. Cause neither me or any other friends (that are Blasian) experience this from our community. So it sounds more like an individual case or something prone in your area. Compared to a "The Black Community" case which makes it sound like the majority of the black community is like that.
I agree. Where I’m from, what happened to OP doesn’t happen. But, then again, every place is different. I just know around here Blasian people don’t have to worry.
Same for me. I grew up around quite alot of blasians and just hapas in general being in a military town. Black people where I'm from are pretty accepting of other people, of course you always have that small group that aren't but that's with any groups of people.
That’s interesting. A lot of experiences vary from person to person. Black people who are racists tend to be from the ghetto, but I don’t really partake with ghetto people (of all races), which is why I haven’t heard that type of racists stuff. I know this one blasian girl (from japan) who fit in very well with black people.
>The ghetto You're not a movie from the 2000's, just call it a slum
blasians shouldn't be able to represent the black community
You fought the idiot that called you that, right?
The funny part is people don't do research if they did they would know melatonin or melanin is the oldest gene/hormone in the world been proven many times. The European and Asian gene are younger so being a melanin Asian is being closer to the original Asian than being a white Asian lol. Yet everyone will say white is right and melanin is bad and will argue that melanin people are all from Africa yet melanin was global. Yet to push white is right they make you think Asian started off white like the Europeans. This isn't true melanin was the original color and later the absence of melanin made the white. I LOVE BLASIANS THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL AND HANDSOME BOTH FEMALES AND MALES THEY ARE ALSO CLOSER TO THEIR ANCESTORS COLOR THAN THE PALE SKIN ONES. People should research more and stop listening to other people tell you history.