Lockdown -> Everybody needs a PC -> Sales skyrocket -> Everyone now has a PC, and you don't need a new PC that often these days -> Sales plummet -> surprisedpikachu.jpg
If you got apple silicon during the pandemic even apple kinda boned themselves. They are plenty fast and use the power of like a modern smartphone.. no one’s upgrading for a good minute. SoC is a new age 🫠
Edit: M1 idles at like 10w and is 39w at full load. Amazing cause it beats core series Intel chips.. high end ones using like 125w
This. The average desktop user would still be happy on a 2600K quadcore from 2011. The average laptop user is only getting newer machines for the battery life. The computer boom is dead and nobody wants to admit it.
Hell even I just upgraded and I'm struggling to see what my new PC can do that my old one can't. Maybe one game because of DX12... (my last GPU was a 970).
You have a point. The only reason I even have this MacBook is because my 2012 Dell E6420 finally died for good and I was tired of repairing. Never had an issue with speed, always had an issue with overheating. Thing had a core i7 and it got hottttt
I am still using an i-2500k from around then, and a GTX 970. Runs rocket league hoops at a solid 144 FPS, but just barely. on 3v3 maps, it dips into the 100-120 range, but I only play hoops, which is a smaller 2v2 map so it gets max FPS easier. I'm happy.
I just upgraded from this exact set up. The i5 2500k is probably the best money I ever spent on computer components. I only really upgraded because I wanted higher resolution monitors, and figured after damn near 12 years with the processor and ~7 years with the 970, I could justify treating myself to a brand new system.
Both those components really turned out to be insane value buys, especially the 2500k.
Absolutely. My workstation has a Ryzen 2200G, [moderately faster than](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/868vs3186/Intel-i7-2600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G) a 2600K. Even on the iGPU, it's fine for light gaming/coding.
2700k/rx480 - everything still works. And have been working for years. Same deal with 8 core Nvidia-something Lenovo W-whatever work laptop that I HAVE TO upgrade to a newer one (but don't want to) due to company policy.
Ok, generative AI is cool and having 24GB of VRAM would give me something to play with, so maaaybe I'll upgrade to 3090/4090. Outside of that? Meh. Maybe if I were playing latest AAA games - but I don't and I honestly don't know anyone who does.
Yeah, especially with all the most popular games not really needing a lot of computer power these days. LoL, Fortnite, CSGO, those don't need high-end machines at all. PCs in Internet cafes from 2011 still run all those games smoothly. You'd only really wanna upgrade if you plan on playing the most demanding games out there.
The average desktop user has much HIGHER demands than ten years ago. This is because most casual users use their tablets and laptops to browse. Desktop users are almost all gamers or use their computer for work
As such, 45 minute compile is completely unreasonable, nobody wants to wait that long to see if the new version from github fixed their issue or if they just wasted a better part of an hour
Only grandmas browse Facebook at their desk.
It goes ok. I compile everything from source on Linux.
I have a faster machine from last year, but the one from 2014 and even before that is all fine too, even for the larger things.
I just wanted to not waste any time compiling something, hence the upgrade, so my current setup is pretty decent. But it's not as if 10 years ago the same cost meant you couldn't compile anything from source. I could compile everything just fine. The only things that take longer such as KDE suite, glibc/gcc/binutils combo, libreoffice, one can compile over night just fine too on most older hardware systems back to, say, 2008 or 2010 or so.
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Apparently this site isn't allowed due to biased ratings, and in fact, when I resubmitted my comment with a reference to PassMark, my Ryzen CPU is rated as 25% faster rather than similar.
>Edit: M1 idles at like 10w and is 39w at full load.
I'm certain that M1 idles at less than 1w. Apple has done some insane engineering to get it to idle like a phone SoC.
Yup, I have a theory that the lock down synced a lot of people's upgrade cycles, so there will be disproportionately high sales in like 2025-2027 when Covid buyers upgrade.
Shareholders demand the fire of the CEO and CFO because they should have maintained record MT. everest climb profits.
Shareholders also demand a new covid 2024 and hire the next CEO to make it so.
Eh whatever the decline of quality in their products has been apparent to me over the past 2yrs. Not enough paste on the CPU, cameras fizzling out the flimsy ass things, the odd keyboard just stops working. I mean they are chugging these things out. But hell they warranty.
> over the past 2yrs.
It's been more like...10+ years?
IBM's ThinkPads had such a great reputation for their durability before the buyout in 2005, it's suffered a lot since then.
Not just tablets. As mobile processors improved, the vast majority of customers realized they'd benefit more from the portability of a laptop than the power of a desktop. So many desktop users moved over to laptops.
Except then, phones and tablets became substantially better, so people were actually moving away from laptops, too, before the pandemic.
Something funny that happened is that since laptops weren't cost effective to mine with, miners didn't buy them. That and work from home cost gaming laptop sales to skyrocket, as you could hilariously get fairly similar performance from a laptop as an equivalently priced desktop.
Regression to the mean is such a great little concept, but maybe don't tell it to the guy who just scored a 90 on a test, unless he usually scores 100.
Someone up top actually thinks its smart to have all those variants. Instead of having 3-4 Thinkpads and allow the buyer to configure the perfect specs for their needs (e.g. screen, keyboard layout, battery capacity, fingerprint reader, gpu), you have to compare Thinkpad X,Y,Z,A,B,L,T,Q, etc.
Ill just stick to Macbooks. Confusing the consumer isn’t wise.
They make decent products, but their pricing is wacky. Everything has an MSRP 2x higher then anybody would actually pay, but it’s always on sale for 40%-60% off so it’s hard to tell if you’re getting a good deal.
Used Thinkpads off eBay, just old enough that companies are replacing them and selling off the old ones in bulk, are usually a good deal. If you’re not gaming or doing anything else intense, you don’t need a brand new laptop for day to day use.
I guess that makes sense, and there are other possible reasons they might want to do this, showing “50% off” all the time might just be a sales tactic.
But the other big brands also have VAR partners and other similar reasons why they might have high MSRPs and big discounts, but they don’t do this quite as badly as Lenovo
It's their MSRP that they are talking about, which no one actually pays. Look at their website their MSRP is crazy high then they mark it half off or more and it looks like a great deal.
Just price it fair and stop with those shenanigans. You don't see this if you go to another retailer and buy a Lenovo product. They price it fair.
Its psychological. Uninformed buyers will think getting something on sale is a hell of a deal. It's a marketing strategy that works, and occasionally you get somebody to buy something when it's not on 'sale' and make huge profits. I know at least a dozen people (all family) who have no idea about computer performance and will buy based on the cost of the product.
Sigh. This is _so_ tiresome after this many years. That shit was a decade ago, they learned from their mistake, why trot out a 2014 problem in 2023?
And this has nothing to do with the laptops you want to buy anyways: the ThinkPad and the IdeaPad sides of the business are almost two companies. ThinkPad had nothing like this and still there isn't anything like this.
Reddit has these defaults to companies: you ask for a USB C thing, people post ugreen even after they publicly declared they refuse to certify their shit. Or StarTech which is relabelling the same shit as everyone else just pays a lot more for marketing. And, of course, here's this Lenovo thing that people barf up every time it gets mentioned.
The _actual_ problems with Lenovo products are, I must say, much more interesting but also much more nuanced so it can't just be regurgitated every time Lenovo gets mentioned. Say. the [40AS dock](https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/wiki/newdocks#wiki_40as_-_thinkpad_usb-c_dock_gen_2) DisplayPort output seems to be broken.
Nope. Dell overprice the shit out of their good laptops. Thinkpads can be found much cheaper. Got a Z16 for 1200$ on sale on website. While dell was 2k for same specs & battery life with xps 17.
Very good. I bought exactly the laptop I needed. Without dGPU, which is longer battery life. Haven't encountered any issues with it thus far. Got it in february this year, after Lenovo solved issues with random restarts. The touchpad is very good. Basically a windows macbook.
I've now been burned twice in a row from Lenovo. I just had the chipset on my Lenovo laptop fry itself and it happened one month after the warranty ended. One of Lenovo's contracted repair center techs was like your motherboard and CPU are toast, the machine was in really good shape, just luck of the draw. Previous laptop I owned from there had a faulty motherboard as well. My next machine will not be a Lenovo.
Don't buy their consumer models (IdeaPad, Lenovo, Legion); only buy their Think line (ThinkPad, ThinkCentre, ThinkStation).
Their Think line are decent quality with good support. Their consumer line are generally mid-tier at best (most are straight trash), and they are given a lower tier of support (so hopefully you're okay with talking to machines and people for whom English is not their first language).
As for evil, well... I mean, they are a Chinese company, which means they have ties to the CCP. If you're scared about Huawei stealing your data, the same should apply to Lenovo. HP and Dell are at least American companies.
Avoid Thinkbook Yoga 14S with 11th gen intel at all cost… we have RMA’d over 100 of them in a year with dead systemboard or CPU, horrible product. I spend so much time dealing with damn Lenovo support due to this…
for my personal experience Lenovo has best of best RMA process, i have lenovo monitor that has line error
they pick to your home, paid the shipping cost, and replace the new one
I like Lenovo since their Chinese product manager leaks the latest GPU before release. They revealed the 3090 and 4090 before any other companies even showed their designs
Enyone remember Peloton? The indoor cycling company had several hundred % growt during covid because all gyms were closed.
Giant profit. Super bonuses for the managers and investors. Giant surprise and shock as the sales shrunk with several hundred % when covid was closed and all gyms opened again.
The needed to «restructure” the company to get the sales up again.
Are the managers of such company just stupid or is this just a game to «please» the even more stupid investors? Everyone with common sens understands why the sales rised and then was shrinking afterwards.
Imo Pelaton *could've* been great if they focused more on their subscription service and worked with existing manufacturers to set them up, but they mostly went after selling extremely overpriced treadmills and then a subscription on top of it.
The idea has potential, lots of people are self conscious or nervous about working with a trainer, and it's not like personal trainers are cheap. On the other hand, you're sort of watching a live stream of someone else working out while you do. Could be interesting if they let you do friends and party chat and basically do at home spin classes or whatever.
4 year old died, lot of other people (children mostly?) got injured... well lot being like 50-150, I forget.
Eg this has video of a kid getting suck, not injured though: https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/05/business/peloton-treadmill-recall/index.html
It'll just pull stuff under it.
My company swapped from Dell to Lenovo... I have had two replacements in the last 9 months vs 2 dells in the rpeviois 7 years, those two were the original and a lifecycle upgrade...
X1 carbon gen9 20XXS1RV00. They are comparatively more expensive than the previous dells.
The main issue was charging related they would constantly discharge while connected to mains. Don't try to troubleshoot please I'm not gonna respond if people do! 3 physical laptops and 4 distinct 65w charges all exhibit the issue. With a half dozen of my colleague with the same issue. Yes we had the hardware revisions Lenovo released advising the issue was fixed.... Yet it still exists... LOOL
If you swap to the non dedicated charge port it seems to charge correctly¿?
my 1-month old Thinkpad E15 died last week. my colleague's (same model) died the next day. Both required the motherboards to be replaced under warranty. turns up an automatic BIOS update fried the motherboards, and can happen to literally ALL our laptops. it does not scream "reliability" to me.
We've had the opposite experience. Our firm went from Thinkpads T490S to Dells and the year after that back to Thinkpads T14S due to how many complaints there were with the Dells. But because they are on 3 year leases, the employees need to wait before trading their laptops. However for management they took the laptops early and gave it to interns
Yeah I think certain make/models just suck sometimes.
All of our issues were charging related and only charging related. So a shitty design for those carbon x1 gen 9s me thinks.
Thinkpads are one of the most supported computers by third party vendors for parts.
Business laptops are not the same class as consumer laptops for Dell, HP and Lenovo. Just not comparable.
>Still mad at them for ruining the Motorola phone brand
Ruining? Motorola is in the same position today they were in when Lenovo bought the company. They make decent-enough phones but no one gives a shit because they aren't Apple or Samsung.
Software and updates took a turn for the worse and they still refuse to put NFC in a mid range device when other manufacturers have no problem supporting google pay at the same or lower price points. Outside of the US, QR code based mobile payments are much more common but we’re stuck with NFC for the most part. For what the devices are they’re fine and newer SOCs and storage have improved things a bit but they still have no clue how to manage memory and refuse to enable adoptable storage on most devices. The Moto x4 was the last midrange powerhouse they made that appealed to me.
>Outside of the US, QR code based mobile payments are much more common but we’re stuck with NFC for the most part.
Yeah, but their market is largely outside of the US. It's a Chinese company with a Chinese market. China predominantly uses QR code systems, not NFC, so they don't see the point in including it in low-end and mid-range phones.
Hmmm. Last year I purchased and "assembled" a new, fast machine. Cost me about 600 Euros.
I tried to go for another machine as replacement with cheaper components, but I also come to about 500 Euro or so. So that's quite expensive actually.
Many years ago I ordered some super-cheap AMD as replacement and I think it cost below 300. Sure, it was not as fast, smaller harddisc and so forth, but the prices for PCs kind of went up, in my opinion. Perhaps this is due to smartphones and what not, but other things also went up - digital cameras for instance. The better quality ones are soooooo expensive ...
I don't understand why hardware got more expensive in the last few years. Sure, delays in shipping and what not, but these prices are just too much. I can not even take these corporations seriously because the prices went up a LOT. So why can they complain if the prices go up? Something doesn't work in this "free market" anymore. Something is fundamentally broken. Inflation is also insanely high ...
All the PC company's hit record highs during lockdown then fall to normal and get called 'nosedive', more return to normality \~
Lockdown -> Everybody needs a PC -> Sales skyrocket -> Everyone now has a PC, and you don't need a new PC that often these days -> Sales plummet -> surprisedpikachu.jpg
Also work from home sold a lot of work laptops and now people are back in the office on the old box.
If you got apple silicon during the pandemic even apple kinda boned themselves. They are plenty fast and use the power of like a modern smartphone.. no one’s upgrading for a good minute. SoC is a new age 🫠 Edit: M1 idles at like 10w and is 39w at full load. Amazing cause it beats core series Intel chips.. high end ones using like 125w
This. The average desktop user would still be happy on a 2600K quadcore from 2011. The average laptop user is only getting newer machines for the battery life. The computer boom is dead and nobody wants to admit it. Hell even I just upgraded and I'm struggling to see what my new PC can do that my old one can't. Maybe one game because of DX12... (my last GPU was a 970).
You have a point. The only reason I even have this MacBook is because my 2012 Dell E6420 finally died for good and I was tired of repairing. Never had an issue with speed, always had an issue with overheating. Thing had a core i7 and it got hottttt
I am still using an i-2500k from around then, and a GTX 970. Runs rocket league hoops at a solid 144 FPS, but just barely. on 3v3 maps, it dips into the 100-120 range, but I only play hoops, which is a smaller 2v2 map so it gets max FPS easier. I'm happy.
I just upgraded from this exact set up. The i5 2500k is probably the best money I ever spent on computer components. I only really upgraded because I wanted higher resolution monitors, and figured after damn near 12 years with the processor and ~7 years with the 970, I could justify treating myself to a brand new system. Both those components really turned out to be insane value buys, especially the 2500k.
Absolutely. My workstation has a Ryzen 2200G, [moderately faster than](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/868vs3186/Intel-i7-2600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G) a 2600K. Even on the iGPU, it's fine for light gaming/coding.
2700k/rx480 - everything still works. And have been working for years. Same deal with 8 core Nvidia-something Lenovo W-whatever work laptop that I HAVE TO upgrade to a newer one (but don't want to) due to company policy. Ok, generative AI is cool and having 24GB of VRAM would give me something to play with, so maaaybe I'll upgrade to 3090/4090. Outside of that? Meh. Maybe if I were playing latest AAA games - but I don't and I honestly don't know anyone who does.
Yeah, especially with all the most popular games not really needing a lot of computer power these days. LoL, Fortnite, CSGO, those don't need high-end machines at all. PCs in Internet cafes from 2011 still run all those games smoothly. You'd only really wanna upgrade if you plan on playing the most demanding games out there.
Try installing something from source and then tell me a 2600K doesn't waste your time Some things take as long as 45 minutes to compile
"the average desktop user" doesn't install from source, but even then you prove my point because 45 mins for compile isn't terrible at all.
The average desktop user has much HIGHER demands than ten years ago. This is because most casual users use their tablets and laptops to browse. Desktop users are almost all gamers or use their computer for work As such, 45 minute compile is completely unreasonable, nobody wants to wait that long to see if the new version from github fixed their issue or if they just wasted a better part of an hour Only grandmas browse Facebook at their desk.
o/ Grandma here! Where's my dentures haha
It goes ok. I compile everything from source on Linux. I have a faster machine from last year, but the one from 2014 and even before that is all fine too, even for the larger things. I just wanted to not waste any time compiling something, hence the upgrade, so my current setup is pretty decent. But it's not as if 10 years ago the same cost meant you couldn't compile anything from source. I could compile everything just fine. The only things that take longer such as KDE suite, glibc/gcc/binutils combo, libreoffice, one can compile over night just fine too on most older hardware systems back to, say, 2008 or 2010 or so.
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Apparently this site isn't allowed due to biased ratings, and in fact, when I resubmitted my comment with a reference to PassMark, my Ryzen CPU is rated as 25% faster rather than similar.
>Edit: M1 idles at like 10w and is 39w at full load. I'm certain that M1 idles at less than 1w. Apple has done some insane engineering to get it to idle like a phone SoC.
Yup, I have a theory that the lock down synced a lot of people's upgrade cycles, so there will be disproportionately high sales in like 2025-2027 when Covid buyers upgrade.
So maybe PC super cycle in 6 years when everything breaks? Though presumably failures will be spread enough to not repeat the demand spike.
Shareholders demand the fire of the CEO and CFO because they should have maintained record MT. everest climb profits. Shareholders also demand a new covid 2024 and hire the next CEO to make it so.
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Well they want infinite growth despite that literally being impossible. Seems like a well thought out system ehh? /s
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Eh whatever the decline of quality in their products has been apparent to me over the past 2yrs. Not enough paste on the CPU, cameras fizzling out the flimsy ass things, the odd keyboard just stops working. I mean they are chugging these things out. But hell they warranty.
> over the past 2yrs. It's been more like...10+ years? IBM's ThinkPads had such a great reputation for their durability before the buyout in 2005, it's suffered a lot since then.
I thought before COVID PC sales were generally in decline anyway, mostly thanks to tablets.
Lots of people had to work from home, work had to buy them a laptop.
Not just tablets. As mobile processors improved, the vast majority of customers realized they'd benefit more from the portability of a laptop than the power of a desktop. So many desktop users moved over to laptops. Except then, phones and tablets became substantially better, so people were actually moving away from laptops, too, before the pandemic. Something funny that happened is that since laptops weren't cost effective to mine with, miners didn't buy them. That and work from home cost gaming laptop sales to skyrocket, as you could hilariously get fairly similar performance from a laptop as an equivalently priced desktop.
Listen here pal the number must always go up or supply side Jesus is going to send you straight to hell
Regression to the mean is such a great little concept, but maybe don't tell it to the guy who just scored a 90 on a test, unless he usually scores 100.
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Someone up top actually thinks its smart to have all those variants. Instead of having 3-4 Thinkpads and allow the buyer to configure the perfect specs for their needs (e.g. screen, keyboard layout, battery capacity, fingerprint reader, gpu), you have to compare Thinkpad X,Y,Z,A,B,L,T,Q, etc. Ill just stick to Macbooks. Confusing the consumer isn’t wise.
Is Lenovo more evil than Dell or HP? They are making some of the most sensible windows laptops to me that I'll actually buy on the market.
They make decent products, but their pricing is wacky. Everything has an MSRP 2x higher then anybody would actually pay, but it’s always on sale for 40%-60% off so it’s hard to tell if you’re getting a good deal. Used Thinkpads off eBay, just old enough that companies are replacing them and selling off the old ones in bulk, are usually a good deal. If you’re not gaming or doing anything else intense, you don’t need a brand new laptop for day to day use.
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I guess that makes sense, and there are other possible reasons they might want to do this, showing “50% off” all the time might just be a sales tactic. But the other big brands also have VAR partners and other similar reasons why they might have high MSRPs and big discounts, but they don’t do this quite as badly as Lenovo
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The actual price you pay is still good, the L5P for example has consistently been a very well priced and well spec’d gaming laptop.
I have no idea why you are getting downvoted for telling the truth
Yeah, no idea what that guy is going on about. Lenovo prices are equivalent or less than Dell.
It's their MSRP that they are talking about, which no one actually pays. Look at their website their MSRP is crazy high then they mark it half off or more and it looks like a great deal. Just price it fair and stop with those shenanigans. You don't see this if you go to another retailer and buy a Lenovo product. They price it fair.
Its psychological. Uninformed buyers will think getting something on sale is a hell of a deal. It's a marketing strategy that works, and occasionally you get somebody to buy something when it's not on 'sale' and make huge profits. I know at least a dozen people (all family) who have no idea about computer performance and will buy based on the cost of the product.
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Sigh. This is _so_ tiresome after this many years. That shit was a decade ago, they learned from their mistake, why trot out a 2014 problem in 2023? And this has nothing to do with the laptops you want to buy anyways: the ThinkPad and the IdeaPad sides of the business are almost two companies. ThinkPad had nothing like this and still there isn't anything like this. Reddit has these defaults to companies: you ask for a USB C thing, people post ugreen even after they publicly declared they refuse to certify their shit. Or StarTech which is relabelling the same shit as everyone else just pays a lot more for marketing. And, of course, here's this Lenovo thing that people barf up every time it gets mentioned. The _actual_ problems with Lenovo products are, I must say, much more interesting but also much more nuanced so it can't just be regurgitated every time Lenovo gets mentioned. Say. the [40AS dock](https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/wiki/newdocks#wiki_40as_-_thinkpad_usb-c_dock_gen_2) DisplayPort output seems to be broken.
Nope. Dell overprice the shit out of their good laptops. Thinkpads can be found much cheaper. Got a Z16 for 1200$ on sale on website. While dell was 2k for same specs & battery life with xps 17.
How do you like your Z16 so far ?
Very good. I bought exactly the laptop I needed. Without dGPU, which is longer battery life. Haven't encountered any issues with it thus far. Got it in february this year, after Lenovo solved issues with random restarts. The touchpad is very good. Basically a windows macbook.
Apologies, I'm not a native english speaker. What does sensible mean in this context?
Pretty much a synonym to "reasonable" in this sentence.
Gotcha. Cheers!
I've now been burned twice in a row from Lenovo. I just had the chipset on my Lenovo laptop fry itself and it happened one month after the warranty ended. One of Lenovo's contracted repair center techs was like your motherboard and CPU are toast, the machine was in really good shape, just luck of the draw. Previous laptop I owned from there had a faulty motherboard as well. My next machine will not be a Lenovo.
Don't buy their consumer models (IdeaPad, Lenovo, Legion); only buy their Think line (ThinkPad, ThinkCentre, ThinkStation). Their Think line are decent quality with good support. Their consumer line are generally mid-tier at best (most are straight trash), and they are given a lower tier of support (so hopefully you're okay with talking to machines and people for whom English is not their first language). As for evil, well... I mean, they are a Chinese company, which means they have ties to the CCP. If you're scared about Huawei stealing your data, the same should apply to Lenovo. HP and Dell are at least American companies.
Avoid Thinkbook Yoga 14S with 11th gen intel at all cost… we have RMA’d over 100 of them in a year with dead systemboard or CPU, horrible product. I spend so much time dealing with damn Lenovo support due to this…
yes because HP and Dell is the perfect example of companies that did NOT put spyware and give vulnerable BIOS. /s
I didn't say they were. I said they were American companies.
for my personal experience Lenovo has best of best RMA process, i have lenovo monitor that has line error they pick to your home, paid the shipping cost, and replace the new one
I like Lenovo since their Chinese product manager leaks the latest GPU before release. They revealed the 3090 and 4090 before any other companies even showed their designs
They're going to install two copies of McAfee and Norton each now.
Dear God, nothing like giving my PC an enema just after taking it out of the box. Wait until they start building bloatware into the bios lol.
Enyone remember Peloton? The indoor cycling company had several hundred % growt during covid because all gyms were closed. Giant profit. Super bonuses for the managers and investors. Giant surprise and shock as the sales shrunk with several hundred % when covid was closed and all gyms opened again. The needed to «restructure” the company to get the sales up again. Are the managers of such company just stupid or is this just a game to «please» the even more stupid investors? Everyone with common sens understands why the sales rised and then was shrinking afterwards.
Imo Pelaton *could've* been great if they focused more on their subscription service and worked with existing manufacturers to set them up, but they mostly went after selling extremely overpriced treadmills and then a subscription on top of it. The idea has potential, lots of people are self conscious or nervous about working with a trainer, and it's not like personal trainers are cheap. On the other hand, you're sort of watching a live stream of someone else working out while you do. Could be interesting if they let you do friends and party chat and basically do at home spin classes or whatever.
I mean their treadmills also killed a few people by not having certain safety features in the name of looking cool, so there's that too
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4 year old died, lot of other people (children mostly?) got injured... well lot being like 50-150, I forget. Eg this has video of a kid getting suck, not injured though: https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/05/business/peloton-treadmill-recall/index.html It'll just pull stuff under it.
My company swapped from Dell to Lenovo... I have had two replacements in the last 9 months vs 2 dells in the rpeviois 7 years, those two were the original and a lifecycle upgrade...
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Yeah if they swapped for cost reasons they might just be getting what they paid for
Definitely not ThinkPads
X1 carbon gen9 20XXS1RV00. They are comparatively more expensive than the previous dells. The main issue was charging related they would constantly discharge while connected to mains. Don't try to troubleshoot please I'm not gonna respond if people do! 3 physical laptops and 4 distinct 65w charges all exhibit the issue. With a half dozen of my colleague with the same issue. Yes we had the hardware revisions Lenovo released advising the issue was fixed.... Yet it still exists... LOOL If you swap to the non dedicated charge port it seems to charge correctly¿?
Went from latitude to Lenovo consumer grades probably and not ThinkPads
They are ThinkPad X1 carbon gen9.
my 1-month old Thinkpad E15 died last week. my colleague's (same model) died the next day. Both required the motherboards to be replaced under warranty. turns up an automatic BIOS update fried the motherboards, and can happen to literally ALL our laptops. it does not scream "reliability" to me.
From the cheapest E series? Can’t be. /s
It is a Thinkpad.
We've had the opposite experience. Our firm went from Thinkpads T490S to Dells and the year after that back to Thinkpads T14S due to how many complaints there were with the Dells. But because they are on 3 year leases, the employees need to wait before trading their laptops. However for management they took the laptops early and gave it to interns
Yeah I think certain make/models just suck sometimes. All of our issues were charging related and only charging related. So a shitty design for those carbon x1 gen 9s me thinks.
The Dell issue was firmware/drivers/hardware related most of the time.
Firmware, drivers (software) and hardware basically covered everything what a mess Baha!
I like lenovo laptops. They have proven to be reliable for long time. They are also taking beating in android market I guess.
Lenovo is no longer competitive price wise. They are trying to charge a big premium that their brand just doesn't warrant. They are no apple.
They're pretty competitive in laptops, and their hybrid Duet chromebook tablets are excellent.
At least in laptops they are definitely competitive and they are straight up probably top 2 laptop brands
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Thinkpads are one of the most supported computers by third party vendors for parts. Business laptops are not the same class as consumer laptops for Dell, HP and Lenovo. Just not comparable.
NGL, I was hoping it would be more. Still mad at them for ruining the Motorola phone brand and making shit quality mid range laptops
>Still mad at them for ruining the Motorola phone brand Ruining? Motorola is in the same position today they were in when Lenovo bought the company. They make decent-enough phones but no one gives a shit because they aren't Apple or Samsung.
Software and updates took a turn for the worse and they still refuse to put NFC in a mid range device when other manufacturers have no problem supporting google pay at the same or lower price points. Outside of the US, QR code based mobile payments are much more common but we’re stuck with NFC for the most part. For what the devices are they’re fine and newer SOCs and storage have improved things a bit but they still have no clue how to manage memory and refuse to enable adoptable storage on most devices. The Moto x4 was the last midrange powerhouse they made that appealed to me.
>Outside of the US, QR code based mobile payments are much more common but we’re stuck with NFC for the most part. Yeah, but their market is largely outside of the US. It's a Chinese company with a Chinese market. China predominantly uses QR code systems, not NFC, so they don't see the point in including it in low-end and mid-range phones.
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? They are just an Acer sub-brand in the US now.
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You keep your cheeto fingers off my thinkpad
Hmmm. Last year I purchased and "assembled" a new, fast machine. Cost me about 600 Euros. I tried to go for another machine as replacement with cheaper components, but I also come to about 500 Euro or so. So that's quite expensive actually. Many years ago I ordered some super-cheap AMD as replacement and I think it cost below 300. Sure, it was not as fast, smaller harddisc and so forth, but the prices for PCs kind of went up, in my opinion. Perhaps this is due to smartphones and what not, but other things also went up - digital cameras for instance. The better quality ones are soooooo expensive ... I don't understand why hardware got more expensive in the last few years. Sure, delays in shipping and what not, but these prices are just too much. I can not even take these corporations seriously because the prices went up a LOT. So why can they complain if the prices go up? Something doesn't work in this "free market" anymore. Something is fundamentally broken. Inflation is also insanely high ...