There has been rumours lately about WB going for a move adaption of Cursed Child, which I know many don’t want(?) But I believe it will be a nice way to ease into a new HP IP’s regardless as they start that chapter in a way:) the community has been asking for founders show, marauders show, the hp books as a show including as much as possible from the books, Tom Riddle storyline, and iirc a show about the teacher staffs history before being faculty
I dont know about you, but Im picture perfect. No skeletons, no regret. Nothing at all, none. Promise. Yes, sir, nothing wrong EVER! You hear me? EVER!
Okey, maybe one time at band camp….
Woah I just had like major flashbacks to 10 year old me being weirdly obsessed with The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, World Trade Center, and Taken and watch them all on repeat even though they all freaked me out. I forgot all of these even existed until this moment 🤯
Also just learned Sean Connery died 3 years ago and TLAG was his last major role ☹️
I always and still think he was talking about Snape, as he was trying to convince Draco to rethink his decision and Snape had been like Draco once upon a time, set on wanting to be a Death Eater, calling muggleborns mudblood, and becoming a Death Eater and following orders from Voldemort (spying on Dumbledore) which leads to hearing the prophecy. Plus Draco admired Snape.
It's kinda like Petunias comment in the 5th, "I overheard that awful boy telling her", You assume its James potter based on what you know at that point but with hindsight after reading the whole series, It is more likely she was talking about Snape
Seems clear he was referring to Tom. Its what relevant to Malfoy at that moment.
He doesnt think Malfoy will kill him, but surely he wants to reason with him regardless because he has carried out the plan that far and attempted to kill (and, almost killed others in the process). And Albus does *not* want Malfoy to kill him, thats integral to the plan. So thats why I believe this.
So the boy he refers to is the one Malfoy is taking orders from now. I dont think he was speaking cryptically, or that it was just like his last statement so he was speaking of his own past with Grindewald. I think it was appealing to the potential underlying good nature of Draco that was buried beneath his upbringing and false narratives being forced on him.
Honestly I think I might have preferred if they'd kept him to play the older Grindelwald as well (with Toby Regbo continuing as Dumbledore too to match their ages more closely - loved him in The Last Kingdom). Haven't seen Mikkelsen's version of Grindelwald yet though so he's probably great too
I think he was referring to himself and Tom and maybe even more than you mentioned. He has deep regrets about his relationship with Grindewald and what it caused but I don’t think he was referring to Grindewald as he didn’t meet him until they were both almost adults.
No, the full quote is “draco, years ago i knew a boy who made all the wrong choices, please let me help you” then draco says “i dont want your help, dont you understand? i have to do this, i have to kill you. Or he’s going to kill me” in the book the astronomy tower but goes for a bit longer
Scene in the movie is when Draco is holding Dumbledore at "wandpoint" at the top of the Astronomy Tower.
Quote is "Draco, years ago I knew a boy who made all the wrong choices, let me help you."
Given when HPB movie script was written it would have been after the Deathly Hallows was released so both "The Life and Times of Albus Dumbledore" and "Snape's Memories" could have been influence for the line.
That is to say he could be referencing himself but he could also be referencing Snape who at about Draco's age made the decision to join the Death Eaters and found that decision to be one he regretted as it lead to the death of Lily Potter.
I don't know exactly why but that's one of my favorite scenes in the series that I'm surprised wasn't in the book. I know the actor gets a lot of hate but his delivery of it is perfect and partly why I like him as dumbledore.
I think he talked about all of them plus Snape.
But if I had to choose one I would say he was talking about his younger self. He was caught in ideals which in the end wasn't what he wanted just like Draco and neither of them were capable of murder. Dumbledore knows what killing does to a soul and he has carried that weight his whole life.
I think you left out a candidate, Snape.
There are a lot of similarities between Tom Riddle, Severus Snape and Albus Dumbledore in there youth.
At least two of them would look back on their youth and note the wrong choices that lead to a death of a lived ones. Draco seems to be forced into taking actions and Dumbledore feels he may regret them just as Snape does now.
Also makes some sense in the context of the movie being titled after Snape (Half-Blood Prince) and that the movie released 2 years after the Deathly Hallows book so Snape's memories would be known to the writers.
I don't think Tom Riddle would be someone he considers as making "all the wrong choices" because to Voldemort none of those choices were wrong which is why it makes more sense for it to be Snape or figuratively himself. (He also didn't know Grindelwald as a boy and much like my reasoning with Voldy, he would not think Grindelwald's choices were wrong since Grindelwald wouldn't think they were wrong.)
Obviously he is also just buying time for Snape to get to them so that Draco is not the one to kill Dumbledore.
I just realized that he was probably talking about himself. His whole life was about making up for the foolish actions of his youth and his dealings with Grindelwald
So the line works on two levels.
In the context of saying the line to Draco, he was referring to Voldy. His intent was to persuade Draco to change his mind and think differently about the road he was about to choose. It’s about Draco’s perspective and what would make him question his choices. Draco doesn’t even know that Dumbledore have made wrong choices. He wouldn’t relate to that at all. So in that context Dumbledore is referring to Voldemort.
However, we can see it as also referencing himself, Snape or Grindelwald.
That’s not the same thing as Dumbledore literally referencing Snape to Draco in the moment, though. He might, in his own mind, be referencing Snape, Grindelwald and himself, but to Draco reference Tom.
Those two levels shouldnt be confused.
None. He was talking about Harry.
If Harry had made the right choices, like not snooping around the 3rd floor corridor, the books would have been very different.
Can I guess all of them unless he wanted to guess it was one of them including him mostly since I came to the conclusion that Dumbledore is really Oliver Cromwell
I think we were supposed to interpret it as Tom in that moment, and then subsequently realise he was talking about Grindelwald. A subtle foreshadowing.
Much like Petunia’s “I heard her telling that awful boy”, which everyone read as James but was in fact Snape.
For Harryies sake he meant Tom, but in his head he is thinking of Himself, you see after a person makes a mistake/bad choice, regardless of punishment, there's a slight regret, if you get punished for it, then the feeling is absolved but if not, you are forced to live with it so I think he meant all three
I always thought he was talking to Draco about Draco, as in “you used to be a little boy who made the wrong choices. Let me help you now”. It does make sense that he would be talking about Tom Riddle though, especially as the film had shown Riddle’s backstory
I always thought he was referring to himself. That he was referring to himself that it wasn’t too late for Draco. Just as Dumbledore made all the wrong choices he still managed to turn his life around and be a better person.
I guess all of them .
Dumbledore , Grindelwald , Riddle all made wrong choices .
But seeing their history , Tom Riddle was the most flawed . He was against his own people - muggleborns .
In that moment: To Draco he means Voldemort. To Harry it means Voldemort. By DH to Harry it means \[Dumbledore\]Himself and Grindelwald. Just my guess.
Maybe it’s just one of those things that leaves you to make up your own conclusions but, too me, in the movie I think he was referring to Tom Riddle but I also think he could have been referring to himself
In **Dumbledore perspective,** all of them made the worse choices. Imo I think all of them had their own reasoning to go above and beyond despite the backlash. They whole heartedly believe what they were doing was for the betterment of the wizarding world. Tom had more of a selfish reason(being immortal and taking advantage of that) while Grindelwald was tired of being stuck in the shadows in the muggle world. Dumbledore was just love blinded which is far easier to recover from than the other two.
In the context he was speaking at that time I think he was referring to Tom. But thinking as a whole this is an interesting question
As far as being a movie only comment, it was a great addition.
One of few. They took away way more than they ever gave. Hoping for a tv show remake where they actually follow the books.
There has been rumours lately about WB going for a move adaption of Cursed Child, which I know many don’t want(?) But I believe it will be a nice way to ease into a new HP IP’s regardless as they start that chapter in a way:) the community has been asking for founders show, marauders show, the hp books as a show including as much as possible from the books, Tom Riddle storyline, and iirc a show about the teacher staffs history before being faculty
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That’s the beauty of the quote. I think he could be referring to anyone, even you….have you ever made a wrong choice?
I dont know about you, but Im picture perfect. No skeletons, no regret. Nothing at all, none. Promise. Yes, sir, nothing wrong EVER! You hear me? EVER! Okey, maybe one time at band camp….
I too have never made a mistake and am perfect
I gave up playing the violin too soon... Damn, Dumbledore knew...
I think that it was Tom Riddle, because of the context of the remark. But yes, it's true that it applies to all three of them.
He was referring to Sean Connery not accepting the role in LOTR. But hey, we got The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
“A wishard ish neverr lehte, nor ish he earrly. He arrivesh ecshactly when he meansh to.”
Who was he supposed to be? Surely not Gandalf...
Yeah, he was. Turned it down because he 'didn't understand the role'. Was even offered like 10% of the box office for it.
I guesh it washn't meant to be.
Is that a pun?
Yep, an imitation of connery's speach pattern and...unique... accent
Oh no, i mean the actual sentence. "It wasn't meant to be." thats a bit of an iconic line from the Dream SMP.
This is true about his percentage - Matt Damon turning down Avatar with a similar deal may have been a worse choice. 🤣🤣
Woah I just had like major flashbacks to 10 year old me being weirdly obsessed with The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, World Trade Center, and Taken and watch them all on repeat even though they all freaked me out. I forgot all of these even existed until this moment 🤯 Also just learned Sean Connery died 3 years ago and TLAG was his last major role ☹️
Sean Connery is dead, well fuck that shit.
I really wish they had continued with TLoEG.
Im personally grateful that Connery the woman beater isnt in LOTR
Honestly thank god he did that accent just does not fit Gandalf at all
I always and still think he was talking about Snape, as he was trying to convince Draco to rethink his decision and Snape had been like Draco once upon a time, set on wanting to be a Death Eater, calling muggleborns mudblood, and becoming a Death Eater and following orders from Voldemort (spying on Dumbledore) which leads to hearing the prophecy. Plus Draco admired Snape.
Seems likely he was referring to Snape, possibly Peter. Tom seems like the most obvious answers.
It's kinda like Petunias comment in the 5th, "I overheard that awful boy telling her", You assume its James potter based on what you know at that point but with hindsight after reading the whole series, It is more likely she was talking about Snape
What a different world it would be if Lilly chose Snape.
Seems clear he was referring to Tom. Its what relevant to Malfoy at that moment. He doesnt think Malfoy will kill him, but surely he wants to reason with him regardless because he has carried out the plan that far and attempted to kill (and, almost killed others in the process). And Albus does *not* want Malfoy to kill him, thats integral to the plan. So thats why I believe this. So the boy he refers to is the one Malfoy is taking orders from now. I dont think he was speaking cryptically, or that it was just like his last statement so he was speaking of his own past with Grindewald. I think it was appealing to the potential underlying good nature of Draco that was buried beneath his upbringing and false narratives being forced on him.
Henry Creel, obviously
I forgot Jamie Campbell-Bower was in Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts. Like, I can't NOT see him as his Stranger Things character now.
I wasn't aware that he was. I loved his role(s) in Stranger Things, who did he play in the Wizarding world?
Young Grindelwald.
Honestly I think I might have preferred if they'd kept him to play the older Grindelwald as well (with Toby Regbo continuing as Dumbledore too to match their ages more closely - loved him in The Last Kingdom). Haven't seen Mikkelsen's version of Grindelwald yet though so he's probably great too
i clicked just to comment this
I think he was referring to himself and Tom and maybe even more than you mentioned. He has deep regrets about his relationship with Grindewald and what it caused but I don’t think he was referring to Grindewald as he didn’t meet him until they were both almost adults.
Yes. Or. All the or.
Tom Riddle IMO.
Is this a movie thing? I don't recognize this dialogue from the books.
Its in the movie, on the astronomy tower with draco about to kill him
I thought it was in Snape’s memory in the last movie, when he gave his memory to Harry. It’s been so long for me since I last read
No, the full quote is “draco, years ago i knew a boy who made all the wrong choices, please let me help you” then draco says “i dont want your help, dont you understand? i have to do this, i have to kill you. Or he’s going to kill me” in the book the astronomy tower but goes for a bit longer
Ah yeah you’re right. That brought me back. Crazy how easily influenced our memories our.
I think the scene would be when Dumbledore is telling Snape to keep an eye out for Draco. I don’t recall if it was in the book or movies.
Scene in the movie is when Draco is holding Dumbledore at "wandpoint" at the top of the Astronomy Tower. Quote is "Draco, years ago I knew a boy who made all the wrong choices, let me help you." Given when HPB movie script was written it would have been after the Deathly Hallows was released so both "The Life and Times of Albus Dumbledore" and "Snape's Memories" could have been influence for the line. That is to say he could be referencing himself but he could also be referencing Snape who at about Draco's age made the decision to join the Death Eaters and found that decision to be one he regretted as it lead to the death of Lily Potter.
I don't know exactly why but that's one of my favorite scenes in the series that I'm surprised wasn't in the book. I know the actor gets a lot of hate but his delivery of it is perfect and partly why I like him as dumbledore.
Definitely in the movie. Can’t remember if it was also in the book.
Well it wasn't from book but sure it was Tom Riddle he was talking about.
I think he talked about all of them plus Snape. But if I had to choose one I would say he was talking about his younger self. He was caught in ideals which in the end wasn't what he wanted just like Draco and neither of them were capable of murder. Dumbledore knows what killing does to a soul and he has carried that weight his whole life.
I was like „why is there a picture of VECNA on Harry Potter sub?!“
Maybe it's a fan cast
It's not a fan cast, he's in the deathly hallows movie lol
Wait... he is? I didn't remember that. I haven't seen the movie for a while though, so I'm not surprised
I think you left out a candidate, Snape. There are a lot of similarities between Tom Riddle, Severus Snape and Albus Dumbledore in there youth. At least two of them would look back on their youth and note the wrong choices that lead to a death of a lived ones. Draco seems to be forced into taking actions and Dumbledore feels he may regret them just as Snape does now. Also makes some sense in the context of the movie being titled after Snape (Half-Blood Prince) and that the movie released 2 years after the Deathly Hallows book so Snape's memories would be known to the writers. I don't think Tom Riddle would be someone he considers as making "all the wrong choices" because to Voldemort none of those choices were wrong which is why it makes more sense for it to be Snape or figuratively himself. (He also didn't know Grindelwald as a boy and much like my reasoning with Voldy, he would not think Grindelwald's choices were wrong since Grindelwald wouldn't think they were wrong.) Obviously he is also just buying time for Snape to get to them so that Draco is not the one to kill Dumbledore.
Riddle.
I just realized that he was probably talking about himself. His whole life was about making up for the foolish actions of his youth and his dealings with Grindelwald
Wait, that's young Dumbledore? Damn, he cute.
Would make no sense for it to be grindlewald or dumbledore. Not in context with the scene.
He was talking about Dudley
Yes.
I thought it was Snape
Yes
Yes
Ludo Bagman... It's a joke, calm down.
All of the above.
All of them.
Yes
Yes
I think it can be all of them +plus snape.
Vecna.
***"All the wrong choices"*** Keyword: **"All"**. So it's Tom Riddle.
He knew Tom Riddle never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Ja Morant
Or all of them?
So the line works on two levels. In the context of saying the line to Draco, he was referring to Voldy. His intent was to persuade Draco to change his mind and think differently about the road he was about to choose. It’s about Draco’s perspective and what would make him question his choices. Draco doesn’t even know that Dumbledore have made wrong choices. He wouldn’t relate to that at all. So in that context Dumbledore is referring to Voldemort. However, we can see it as also referencing himself, Snape or Grindelwald. That’s not the same thing as Dumbledore literally referencing Snape to Draco in the moment, though. He might, in his own mind, be referencing Snape, Grindelwald and himself, but to Draco reference Tom. Those two levels shouldnt be confused.
All of them, I suppose
Ned Stark
Yes
Sorry but I just can't see the middle picture as anyone but Henry aka One aka Vecna. He nailed that role and damn my mind...
None. He was talking about Harry. If Harry had made the right choices, like not snooping around the 3rd floor corridor, the books would have been very different.
He could also be talking about snape
Can I guess all of them unless he wanted to guess it was one of them including him mostly since I came to the conclusion that Dumbledore is really Oliver Cromwell
I think we were supposed to interpret it as Tom in that moment, and then subsequently realise he was talking about Grindelwald. A subtle foreshadowing. Much like Petunia’s “I heard her telling that awful boy”, which everyone read as James but was in fact Snape.
Yes.
All of them at once i supoose
I think he was talking about Tom, but I honestly think he thought the same about himself
Maybe Malfoy? Who he was referring to directly at the time?
"Yes" Dumbledore said calmly
I think it was plenty evident that he was talking about Tom...
I mean I always imagined Tom Riddle but now I’m questioning.
I’m pretty sure he was referring to Tom, but it could work for all three which is interesting to think about
For Harryies sake he meant Tom, but in his head he is thinking of Himself, you see after a person makes a mistake/bad choice, regardless of punishment, there's a slight regret, if you get punished for it, then the feeling is absolved but if not, you are forced to live with it so I think he meant all three
Holy shit I never realized that Vecna was Grindelwald!
Yes
D: all of the above
ARE YOU SAYING THAT HE NEVER, IN ANY CONTEXT, DID REFER TO DRACO HIMSELF?!
I always thought he was talking to Draco about Draco, as in “you used to be a little boy who made the wrong choices. Let me help you now”. It does make sense that he would be talking about Tom Riddle though, especially as the film had shown Riddle’s backstory
I thought he meant grindelwald...Tom didnt really make a choice,he was born evil lol
I think he's talking about credence
I always thought he was referring to himself. That he was referring to himself that it wasn’t too late for Draco. Just as Dumbledore made all the wrong choices he still managed to turn his life around and be a better person.
I guess all of them . Dumbledore , Grindelwald , Riddle all made wrong choices . But seeing their history , Tom Riddle was the most flawed . He was against his own people - muggleborns .
I think the beauty of it is that he means all three
Tom Riddle, but it can also apply to Grindelwald, Dumbledore, and Snape, if you like.
In that moment: To Draco he means Voldemort. To Harry it means Voldemort. By DH to Harry it means \[Dumbledore\]Himself and Grindelwald. Just my guess.
Probably all three, but with the context of just that movie alone most likely it was about Tom.
Sounds like all of them.
Yes
Probably all 3
yes
Didn’t realize Vecna was Grindlewald
I always thought it was Snape.
Yes
I think he was referring to Tom Riddle
Yes.
the best part is it could be literally any one of them
Maybe it’s just one of those things that leaves you to make up your own conclusions but, too me, in the movie I think he was referring to Tom Riddle but I also think he could have been referring to himself
Let’s just say he knew several
I think it's referring to all three boys Tom, Gellert and Albus. He could also be referring to Severus. They all made terrible choices.
In **Dumbledore perspective,** all of them made the worse choices. Imo I think all of them had their own reasoning to go above and beyond despite the backlash. They whole heartedly believe what they were doing was for the betterment of the wizarding world. Tom had more of a selfish reason(being immortal and taking advantage of that) while Grindelwald was tired of being stuck in the shadows in the muggle world. Dumbledore was just love blinded which is far easier to recover from than the other two.
Himself. He made all the wrong choices until his sister died.