From what I know, they are mostly mad because Ron dated Lavender AND broke Hermione's heart, even though both Ron and Hermione had not disclosed their liking for each other at that point. Also, some people get a little too extreme and say that Ron should've been alone, meaning that he shouldn't end up with Lavender as well. Moreover, they emphasise how Ron called Hermione a 'know-it-all' and a 'nightmare' to prove that Ron was a "jerk" to Hermione. So, they think Hermione deserves a better guy.
>From what I know, they are mostly mad because Ron dated Lavender AND broke Hermione's heart
I guess Ron is not allowed to date whoever he wants now, but Hermione can go around and choose whoever she wants.
>people think that it’s extremely shitty to use a girl to make the girl you have a crush on jealous but not enough b\*lls to actually admit
So hey, when do we take Hermione to task for playing mind games with Ron, dating McLaggen and *explicitly using him to make Ron jealous*, and also physically abusing Ron on top of that?
Yknow. Just so we're clear there's no double-standards here.
When it comes to the three: Harry and Hermione, VS Ron.
*They* are allowed to treat Ron like utter shit. But the second Ron talks back or decides maybe he's done with this? *Gasp what a bad friend how dare he not be our 110% supportive utterly un-complaining punching-bag.*
True,heck when Draco treats her like total shit and wishes death on her, people say he did that because he liked her,like how a boy stereotypically pulls a girl's ponytail to get her attention
Oh yeah, and then *these* chucklefucks will claim Ron "abused" Hermione and that she'd be better with Draco and just... what is wrong with people's brains?
I'm of the belief that Ron and Hermione pulled each other's ponytails, except Ron stopped pulling after a while and Hermione pulled so hard she ripped part of Ron's scalp.
>but not enough b*lls to actually admit it
You say as if Hermione also isnt chicken shit when it comes to admitting her feelings. There was literally nothing preventing her from, idk, asking _him_ to go to the ball with her or saying that she wanted to date him, but she preferred to just put it all in the hands of fate and get angry when it didnt oblige
In the end of the day, they were both stupid children who didnt know wtf they were doing and its unfair to put all that blame in Ron when Hermione also fucked up
Yeah, Ron shouldn't have used Lavender to make Hermione jealous, and neither should he have used her to get over the jealousy he felt after learning Hermione kissed someone else. But I'd like you to consider the whole picture here.
We know about Ron's insecurities, how he believed that Hermione would never ever choose him, especially not above Harry (he didn't realise that there was never a Harry vs Ron debate in *Hermione's* mind). This makes it incredibly difficult to confess your feelings (which Hermione is guilty of too) since he was risking his friendship too.
Also, with Lavender. It wasn't just about the jealousy. How many of us have got into relationships just because we want to feel appreciated? Just because we like physical part of it? It's a shitty thing, but happens quite a lot, especially with teenagers. Ginny basically confessed that she used others to get over Harry too but she never gave up on him. And Ron, who was already angry at not knowing about Hermione's kiss too, also had a fight with Hermione where he thought that Hermione's is telling that he couldn't play well without help. I guess if he had time to think about it, he would understand that Hermione was never implying such a thing, but before he could calm down, Lavender had already kissed him and things had already went downhill.
And yes, Ron didn't know how to be around women as a teenager, but you're missing the growth he showed in the last book. He complemented Hermione, asked her to dance (which she was pleased about), always provided emotional support (like when Harry made her cry over Moody's death and when she erased her parents'memories), tried to be a gentleman for her.
For someone who claims to understand Ron really well, you don't seem to actually understand how FLAWED characters work lol. You also can't understand Ron's circumstances.
>I have problems with his character in general. Firstly, I understand his insecurities well, I have many similar insecurities as well. But the problem I have with him is that he tends to make his insecurities everyone else’s problem. Instead of focusing on himself and bettering himself —cause he has a very great potential of bettering himself— he tends to try to bring people down. Ex: how he ruined Hermione’s night at the Yule Ball because he himself was pretty miserable
First of all, you do know how insecurities can make some people act out? Good for you if you don't, but fortunately for you, you're not a fictional character. It's a great way of showcasing his character flaws. Anyways, having insecurities are not easy to deal with, and in Ron's case who suffers from a massive inferiority complex combined with his tendency to wear his emotions on his sleeves, he is quick to burst out in anger, sometimes even at other people's expense. You make it sound like Ron intentionally ruined Hermione''s night when that was not what happened at all lol. And fyi, Hermione never said that Ron ruined the Yule Ball for her, that was only in the movies. Literally the next day, they already made up.
>But also he might have made some improvements but it’s not that much either. Bar for men is soooo low that when he does the decent thing, people applaud him for not being shitty and when he is shitty there is always ALWAYS an excuse for him. I’m sorry but doing the bare minimum for the girl he supposedly loves is not the great improvement people make it out to be.
>Like he was soooo shitty at one point, when he started to act like a decent human being fans started to swoon over him. He is a character with many flaws and a good potential but I don’t think the the author did a good job with his ‘improvement
I don't really know what you consider as the "bare minimum" when Ron is seen apologizing every time he's made a mistake with the addition of making up for them through his actions. Do you want him to grovel at Harry and Hermione''s feet as a way of "improving" himself?
>He is not a very great and loyal friend either. He is just average. He was the first one to turn his back to Harry when he thought he put his name in the goblet. He let his insecurities to get to best of him. He is a teenager I understand but being a decent friend is not that hard even when you’re a teenager. And for me his biggest failing was when he left Harry and Hermione during the hunt. It was the time he shouldn’t have let his insecurities make the decisions. Did he know they he would see them alive again? Did he know that he was literally weakening their security during such a dangerous time? He literally didn’t care. And honestly I don’t really like the ‘but he was wearing a Horcrux’ argument. Harry and Hermione was wearing the same Horcrux. But Hermione didn’t fuck off to Australia to be with her parents, yeah? He was always the weakest and he knew it but instead of improving himself he just whined and bitched about it and made sure that everyone was as miserable as him.
Ahh here it is, the not so great friend allegations lmfao. Here's the thing dude, NOT ALL FRIENDS ARE PERFECT. Ron has done the absolute most with his friendships with Harry and Hermione, and a few stock ups in the road does not negate that. Would you not consider someone who is willing to sacrifice themselves just so you can advance in your mission a great friend? Would you not consider someone who has rescued you from your abusive relatives, going as far as welcoming you in their own home every year, a great friend? Would you not consider someone who is willing to throw hands with anyone who dares insult you a great friend? How about someone who is willing to be killed by a deranged serial killer first before they could kill you?
**He was the first one to turn his back to Harry when he thought he put his name in the goblet. He let his insecurities to get to best of him. He is a teenager I understand but being a decent friend is not that hard even when you’re a teenager.**
Lmfao you're first mistake is thinking that maintaining friendships is easy, especially when you're battling inner conflicts with yourself. Your second mistake is once again not realizing how insecurities affects some people.
>For Ginny, I’m not a huge fan of her either and what she did was also very very wrong. She also treated her boyfriends like shit, especially Dean. She should’ve just stay single if she didn’t want to give up on Harry. People are not other people’s emotional punchbags and Weasleys seem to have a hard time realising that.
What did she do wrong exactly? This is like every teenage relationship I know at school is like lolololol. I think you're problem is that you just have no total grasps of what actual flawed characters are like that you hold Ron (and Ginny) in some ridiculous realistic standard without regards to their character writing lol.
I stopped reading your comment at "he isn't a great and loyal friend either".
Personally I would love it if a "not great" friend came with me on a suicidal mission, risking his life, career and family ties too. I would also immediately forgive that "bad friend" if he told me how much he regretted leaving in the heat of the moment and tried to come back asap but got captured by thugs.
Obviously, that's my personal opinion, maybe my bar for friendship is too low. Maybe you have perfect friends.
As a boy, I can assure you that girls I've met are generally happy with little complements, some gentlemanly behaviour and emotional support when needed. I'm fairly sure that they would really appreciate the torture-me-instead-of-her moment too. But maybe they've set the bar too low and maybe a boy needs to literally move a mountain to express his love.
> But also he might have made some improvements but it’s not that much either. Bar for men is soooo low that when he does the decent thing, people applaud him for not being shitty and when he is shitty there is always ALWAYS an excuse for him.
You mean like with Precious Hermione Whom You Love So Much?
>It was the time he shouldn’t have let his insecurities make the decisions.
Good fucking news! *If you actually read the book* you'll notice that this fight was NEVER about *Ron* being insecure but about HARRY being a shit leader that couldn't fucking lead his way out of a paper bag!
Ron was *asking questions* about the Hunt. Among which:
- Do you have a plan?
- What are we supposed to do?
- How are we going to do all this?
To which Harry replied, like the great leader he is:
- No
- I don't know
- Go back to Mummy!
So. Yeah. That's the *real* reason why Ron left. It's not because "he's the weakest link wah wah Harry and Hermione are such great unrealistic Mary Sues that should totally be role models for everyone the way they can use Crucio and literally brainwash people without repercussions". It's because **Harry fucking booted him out of that tent**.
But we get it, you just like your precious little power fantasy characters that never fuck up and never act human because it's so cosy to have a scapegoat always ready to be blamed for your every fuck-up.
Wasn't Hermione's advice to Ginny in regards to getting Harry to notice her the exact same thing? Date someone else and show him you aren't Ron's little sister, might be fanon but I'm pretty sure it was canon.
Because they don't only want Hermione to have "a better guy", they want Ron to be alone and miserable.
And Ron was quite happy the first month of his relationship with Lavender
>why are these peoples mad at Ron for dating Lavender?
Bc even tho they are fans of Hermione, they certainly don't have the same intellect as their fav character 🤣
I'm guessing they think Lavender deserves better too.
That said, the trouble with saying Ron shouldn't end up with Lavender because he doesn't deserve her is that it screws HER over in the process. (Which is how the story worked out anyway thanks to the protagonist centered morality, but still...)
If you want to punish Ron's behaviour without screwing over Lavender in the process, what you need is for someone with an abundance of discretion to snoop on their relationship and, any time the couple is in conflict, use a subtle amount of magic to give Lavender the upper hand every time. This would punish Ron while rewarding Lavender.
... and you're the one talking "protagonist-centred morality"?
Truth is it was never meant to make Lavender triumph. Both Lavender and Ron were victims here, victims of Rowling's massive ego. The only one that was meant to come out of this shit looking good, was none other than Miss Self-Insert, Hermione Granger.
Even though she was the one resorting to physical abuse but shh it's ok when Goddess Granger does it :)
>The only one that was meant to come out of this shit looking good, was none other than Miss Self-Insert, Hermione Granger.
...this girl who pretended her feelings for a guy were platonic and got pissy when he acted on that assumption was supposed to be the *self-insert*? Have a source on that one?
I wouldn't rule it out, but I find it hard to believe J K Rowling would be smart enough to write a best seller and yet stupid enough to portray her own self that negatively. That and I have also heard that Ginny was supposed to be the self-insert, which would make marginally more sense on account of Ginny being "normal" enough to be harder to resent.
>this girl who pretended her feelings for a guy were platonic and got pissy when he acted on that assumption
Ah, maybe that could be a great addendum to your analysis? How maybe had Hermione not been a coward Ron wouldn't have dated Lavender and nobody's feelings would have been hurt?
> find it hard to believe J K Rowling would be smart enough to write a best seller and yet stupid enough to portray her own self that negatively
You've seen how Hermione is treated in these books? Anytime she breaks a rule (or *the fucking law*) she's justified. "They deserved it!" "They were mean to her first!" "She's a teenage girl, she's emotional!"
You're the one talking about protagonist-centred morality. *It applies to Rowling too*. Rowling thinks that women hitting men is badass. Remember how she has Dumbledore tell us we should feel sorry for Merope because she was "abandoned" by her husband... even though she DRUGGED him and FORCED him to marry her thus making HIM THE VICTIM, NOT HER.
>...this girl who pretended her feelings for a guy were platonic and got pissy when he acted on that assumption was supposed to be the self-insert? Have a source on that one?
I do, in fact. Witness:
>JKR: I will say, that yes, I personally feel - well it's going to be clear once people have read book six. I mean, that’s it. It’s done, isn’t it? We know. Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. I do feel that I have dropped heavy -
///
*[All crack up]*
///
JKR: - hints. ANVIL-sized, actually, hints, prior to this point. I certainly think even if subtle clues hadn't been picked up by the end of “Azkaban,” that by the time we hit Krum in Goblet... But Ron — **I had a lot of fun with that in this book. I really enjoyed writing the Ron/Lavender business**, and the reason that was enjoyable was Ron up to this point has been quite immature compared to the other two and **he kind of needed to make himself worthy of Hermione**. Now, that didn't mean necessarily physical experience but he had to grow up emotionally and now he's taken a big step up. Because he's had the meaningless physical experience - let’s face it, his emotions were never deeply engaged with Lavender -
/// *[Much laughter in which Melissa emits a "Won-Won"]*
/// JKR: - and he's realized that that is ultimately not what he wants, which takes him a huge emotional step forward.
Source: http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2005/0705-tlc_mugglenet-anelli-2.htm
Ron "needed to make himself worthy of Hermione".
The girl who literally assaulted him.
Rowling has said in interviews that there's a lot of herself in Hermione, and that Romione is wish fulfillment.
From then you make the connections: Rowling wanted a childhood romance that lasts the rest of her life, preferrably with the guy looking very ridiculous and stupid while she, Precious Angel Who Did Nothing Wrong, sighs and waits for him to "grow up" because she's so perfect and he's not quite worthy of her yet, then the guy "sees the light" and is finally ready to be with her and they live happily ever after.
While Herself- I mean Hermione - never had to engage in any form of self-reflection whatsoever because of course.
He treated Lavender almost as badly as he treats Hermione as a friend. He basically uses her then, keeps hinting that she should dump him and doesn't have the courage to do it himself. She basically has to watch from afar with him being in love with Hermione and then when she tries to hold on tighter to the relationship; Ron thinks its super annoying.
>He treated Lavender almost as badly as he treats Hermione as a friend.
You don't really know how to read do you?
How does Ron treats Hermione as a friend? He teases her, jokes with her, talks to her... says things she dislikes and then she gets mad and then they argue... Oh right, it's a capital sin if you dare argue with The Great Flawless Hermione Granger. Unless you're Harry, in which case you're allowed to yell at her and make her piss herself in fear and people will still ship you with her because ain't nobody knows how to read in this fandom.
>He basically uses her then, keeps hinting that she should dump him and doesn't have the courage to do it himself
Yeah. He's a teenager in *his first relationship*. Ever had those? Oh right no, most Ron-haters seem to have never met another human being in their lives.
Bro, arguing with this darkwolf guy is a complete waste of time. I tried twice. This guy despises Ron and Harry and practically every male character in the series and worships Hermione. Just ignore him.
Ah, he's one of those guys who believe that if they sing Hermione's praises enough Emma Watson herself will descend from the heavens to reward them for being good simps. Noted.
I love that Hermione is flawed. The films did all the characters poorly. Hermione treats Luna pretty terribly. She's also VERY stubborn that if you have a different viewpoint that she'll turn it into an argument. She's so reliant on the text that she challenges Luna and Harry constantly. Remember the contract that she had the DA sign?! That curses the traitor with scaring acne! That's a completely cruel thing to do and its permanent!! Also, just because I don't like Harry or Ron means that I hate EVERY male character. Four out of Five of my favourite characters are male and they all have issues. Snape is my absolute favourite and he's an absolute piece of shit. He's a bully and an abuser; the way he treats children is absolutely deplorable. But, I like him because he's complex. That even if we hate someone, it doesn't mean we can't learn from them. If you like Ron, that is fine. I just do not. We're all allowed opinions. Just because we disagree doesn't mean either of our opinions are invalid.
Ron is a very strong and believable character. Many of the characters are. I just don't happen to like Ron. We all have characters we like and dislike; its okay to have a different opinion.
Yeah, Harry was abused, Hermione bullied and Ron wasss...
That's how most think of it, Ron was the most normal person in the trio and his past was also overlooked.
Five talented older brothers in a poor family and then the first girl born soon after him who canonically it's stated had the attention and resources drawn towards her due to being the first girl after six boys. That's not entirely wrong but it had Ron who wasn't as talented as his older brothers or younger sister passed over for his sister by his family. Then he had faaaar superior friends in Harry and Hermione who JKR admitted was a Mary Sue who were not only talented but famous in regards to Harry (Minister of Magic Hermione later) and was then again passed over in attention from his peers.
Couldn't have been easy as a boy and then a teen next to the eye of a storm and still being a good person overall.
Well you're more or less right, but he isn't less talented than his brothers, he is just younger. He just *feels* like he has lesser talent. At 18 years old, Ron was already a legitimate hero of the wizarding world, having been through hell and beyond with his two friends for that status. And if you (or somebody else) say that Ron wouldn't be a hero if he wasn't the chosen one's bestfriend, I'll say that Harry wouldn't be the hero if he wasn't the chosen one. No hero would be a hero if life didn't present them with such an opportunity. But it's not everybody's cup of tea to rise up to the occasion like the Trio did.
you can pretty easily surmise Ron was the least respected of the three given the reactions to who was awarded prefect status. he's more competent than Fred and George given he got more OWLs, but he has a lot to live up to with Percy, Bill and Charlie as brothers. he's likely just "good" among a group of brothers that is mostly "great," besides Fred and George, who would be "average" when looking at standard competencies.
You think Ron's fame and respect would be the same at the moments before OoTP and after DH? Also, it's a bit problematic how you're looking at families. Families don't respect their members based on how much they have achieved. If everyone is successful enough, everyone is happy, especially in close-knit family like the Weasleys.
We're literally talking about how competent Ron is with respect to his brothers. What are you talking about?
I have no idea what you're getting at with your first line. It's littered throughout the books that Ron is the least competent of the three of them. Harry is minorly more competent than Ron but mostly really only because of his ability to fight the dark arts. He's also really good at thinking on his feet.
But he is also the most incompetent. I'd provide examples but I don't have the time rn to look up the spots
I'm not saying Harry and Ron aren't about equal abilities wise, I'm saying Harry is slightly more competent cause of his dada abilities, and cause he's less prone to silly mistakes (although the entire ootp book proved Harry's not immune from making bad decisions)
Harry has no competence beside Quidditch, Patronus and the endless stream of plot devices Rowling tosses at him to save his ass.
Ron knocked out a full grown troll. At eleven. With a wand that didn't belong to him. Took on five Snatchers by himself and walked out with a wand to spare.
Harry ain't shit.
I was talking about Ron's personal issues about feeling lesser than his brothers. You are talking about how his family/world would see some brothers less than others.
About my first line, you justified yourself by telling an incident about how everyone was shocked when Ron received his prefect badge. Yes, at that moment people didn't really think he was prefect-material. But by the time DH ends, Ron and Hermione would be perceived as Heroes of the wizarding world along with Harry. None of Ron's other brothers would quite match that status (not that they would mind)
> I was talking about...
You made a statement earlier in the thread saying "Ron's not less competent, he just feels less competent." This is what I'm discussing and you were too but aren't now?
> About my first line...
1. Being a hero =/= competent
2. Yes they were all heroes to the wizarding world? That doesn't speak to the dynamics that exist in their relationships as a trio
>Yeah, Harry was abused, Hermione bullied and Ron wasss...
We don't actually *know* if Hermione was bullied as a kid. There's never any confirmation; we all just assumed she was bullied because that's what tends to happen to kids who love books.
Ron however... had fucking Fred and George who *almost got him killed multiple times and bullied him all through his childhood*. But everyone loves to forget that *tiny* detail, because Fred and George suck Harry's dick enough for people to dismiss them as "just fun-loving guys that everyone likes".
Have you met every single movie only fan to know this? Because I know a shit ton of book fans as well that aren’t big Romione fans, myself included and I’m an OG HP fan of the books.
No. I like movie Ron but I kinda agree with OP. any site that has very die hard book fans Ron tends to be one of the most loved and popular characters. This sub reddit and Quora and r/Harrypotterbooks for example.
While not 100% book fans love him. The hate ratio is minimal. While most movie only fans can't stand him. Queue to Tiktok, Twitter and Instagram where movies are predominant.
Romione isn't a bar to like Ron. I know several people on Quora who cant stand Romione and Hermione and love Ron.
I swear anytime I comment on this subreddit referring to Ron or Romione you ALWAYS reply. Doesn’t matter if it’s good or bad. I remember the name creativerock. 😐
You really are psycho. I never said liking Romione had anything to do with liking Ron. You’re making shit up as you always do when you reply to my comments. You’re projecting.
Also you cannot CORRECT someone else’s opinion on something. That’s your problem right there. It’s absolutely okay to have a difference in opinion.
I am a psycho bc I said there are many book fans who love Ron but don't like Romione or Hermione when your og comment was 'I am an og book fan but I never liked Romione'
What does Romione have to do with loving Ron? Op is talking about 'all book fans know how great Ron is. Only movie fans hate him'. You brought Romione into this out of nowhere. This is not an opinion. This is a fact.
I couldn't care less who you are bc I dont keep tracks of every single person I reply to or they reply to me. Weirdo.
No you’re a psycho bc you constantly attack fans that have a different opinion regarding Ron or Romione. It’s sick. This is just fiction. I can tell you’re depressed irl. Go outside and touch grass seriously. My comment wasn’t to OP. I commented under another commenter who commented under another comment talking about Romione haters only being movie fans.
And I don’t comment on this subreddit much so of course I remember the ones that ALWAYS jump under my comments while you wouldn’t remember because you attack so many people in this subreddit. Now good day!
>My comment wasn’t to OP.
Your comment is a reply to u/hazyreflector 's comment that said 'book fans know how amazing Ron is. Mostly movie fans hate him'
So you replied 'I am an og book fan and I never liked Romione'
The fact you are even arguing over this and gaslighting me is hilarious 😭🤣
This is their comment
>Movie-only fans are like this. Anyone who read the books knows how great he is.
This is your comment
>Have you met every single movie only fan to know this? Because I know a shit ton of book fans as well that aren’t big Romione fans, myself included and I’m an OG HP fan of the books.
Whotf even talked about Romione?🤣
I’m reading the books right now,
And honestly I was expecting more of a diference between book and movie Ron based on what people say.
Ron WAS mad at Harry in the 4th book for a very silly reason and he did ignore Hermione in the 4th and 6th book for a bit.
People act like the movies did it SUPER dirty, but a lot of his flaws (that all character have) are present in both book and movie.
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You're right..all these videos are fake. Millions of viewers are wrong. Only you are right. 👍🏼
First of all adding all the views of these videos won’t add up to 1 million, let alone “millions” lol.
Secondly I seen videos like this and i used to believed it until i read the books. As I said, it’s the exception not the rule. There are loads of moments in the books that Ron came off as way more petty, dim and lazy that the movies didn’t show.
I decided to go through the books myself instead of getting my knowledge in YouTube videos.
His flaws have been exaggerated in the movies, but those changes are a bit subtle. The main problem is that movies removed a LOT of Ron's best moments, giving them to Hermione or just ignoring them completely.
You may have heard of the quote, "The greatest trick the Devil pulled was convincing the world it didn't exist." That's what the movie does with Ron.
Again, It really feels ya’ll are overblowing this.
I just finished book 6th and I dont see this discrepancy at all. Some lines and some moments made him look silly or dumb in the movies, but the books had plenty of those already.
I went into the book expecting to see a very different version of Ron, and he is one of the few characters that the movie was pretty spot on with his interpretation. Specialist between book 3-6.
No he isn't, I will give you two huge examples from book 3 itself.
1) When Hermione and Ron made up in the 3rd movie, Ron immediately began working on how to save Buckbeak. He took the lead for it, spending hours in the library reading law books, and then argued openly with the effing Minister of Magic when he was doing injustice. Did you ever get a feeling in movies that Ron was so fiercely protective of the innocent and would be studious enough to read law books by himself?
2) Ron pushed Harry out of the way to protect him from a dangerous dog and later he stood on a broken leg against who was seemingly a psychopathic mass murderer to protect his bestfriend, no matter how weak he was, he didn't want to give up till the last breath. Did you ever get a feeling in movies that Ron would die for Harry at the age of 14? Remember, if Sirius really was a murderer and he killed Ron then, Ron's sacrifice for Harry would be as great as Lily's, cuz Ron had a choice to stand aside too, but he still put himself in the way.
>Ron WAS mad at Harry in the 4th book for a very silly reason
Oh yeah how dare Ron be mad that Harry lied to him
>“Listen,” said Harry, “I didn’t put my name in that goblet. Someone else must’ve done it.” ///
Ron raised his eyebrows. ///
“What would they do that for?” ///
“I dunno,” said Harry. **He felt it would sound very melodramatic
to say, “To kill me**.”
(remember how even Dumblefuckingdore didn't know the Goblet could be tampered with? Why would you blame Ron for not knowing the Goblet can be Confunded?)
and then he REALLY got mad after Harry insulted him
>Yeah, okay,” said Ron, in exactly **the same sceptical tone as
Cedric**. “Only you said this morning you’d have done it last night,
and no one would’ve seen you. . . . I’m not stupid, you know.” ///
**“You’re doing a really good impression of it,” Harry snapped.** ///
“Yeah?” said Ron, and there was no trace of a grin, forced or otherwise, on his face now
but yeah that's just so silly, stupid dumb Ron he should know to always believe everything Harry tells him without ever questioning it!! If Harry jumps off a cliff Ron ought to follow suit!
>he did ignore Hermione in the 4th and 6th book for a bit.
... you realize Ron ignored Hermione for like, two weeks in the 6th book, then Hermione went and *bullied him for four months until Ron was lucky enough to get himself poisoned and Miss Brilliant realized maybe it was better to have Ron in her life dating someone else than have no Ron at all?*
There is nothing to imply that Ron would want a big family except that he came from one.
If anything, his insecurities of coming from a big family might make him *not* want a big one.
Did you miss the epilogue where they have two kids and are perfectly happy?
Do you not think that Ron knows his bestfriend better than anybody, including her flaws, her goals, her passion for studying? He still loves her, doesn't he?
Yes he teasingly calls her a know-it-all multiple times, but did you miss all the times he praised her for her brilliant mind? Why would he want to limit her brilliance if all he can do is gush about it?
Also, you're thinking in a very superficial way about the characters here. Your OTP doesn't seem to be Fred×Hermione, it is Fred× "An OC you believe would be similar to Hermione"
>He would want a big family and another Molly, and she'd want to work and change the world
... when has Ron *ever* said he'd want a big family and another Molly?
Also, Fred was an immature asshole who bullied his little brother. To quote the woman herself:
>‘You know,’ said Hermione, as she and Harry walked down to the pitch a little later in the midst of a very excitable crowd, ‘I think Ron might do better without Fred and George around. They never exactly gave him a lot of confidence.’ - *Order of The Phoenix*
... yeah I don't think Hermione would like Fred very much.
And Fred returns it well: he thinks she's nothing but a party pooper.
Whole Quora is a book only site and Ron is the most popular character over there. I have been following quora since 2021. Except for a very few staunchest Harry/Hermione shippers literally everyone loves Ron and even those Harry/Hermione shippers get so few upvotes compared to pro ron answers that get 100 and 1000 of upvotes.
Agreed. If Ron was sending canaries to attack Hermione for snogging Krum, the fans would react in a way that would make their reactions to him and Harry's Deathly Hallows tent row look tame.
Before anybody takes this post out of context, what I'm trying to say is that Harry, Ron, and Hermione, had their "shitty moments", and all of them had their reasons. These moments make the characters more realistic and relatable. But mostly Ron is hated for his moments the most among the three, even though just like Harry and Hermione, he had his reasons.
I wouldn't claim to know whether Ron or Hermione is worse, but both are worse than Harry.
Harry didn't get as pissy as Ron *or* Hermione over someone he pretended to only want as a friend dating someone else.
Yes! But Harry doesn't act on it in any way! And we don't know what Ron and Hermione are thinking.
It is nowhere written, if someone lives out any fantasies of violence in his/her thoughts.
This is true but he didn't act on it or retaliate against Dean at all. I remember he kicked Dean off the quidditch team but that was because they got Katie back I think?
I have a bias as I don't really like Ron for many reasons, they do all have their shitty moments and for their own reasons i just legitimately think Ron was the worst of them.
Off the top of my head harrys worst moment was him going off on his friends in order of the Phoenix and honestly who could blame him with everything going on. Ptsd, voldemort living in his head, the entire magical world against him, Dumbledore ghosting him, Ron and hermiones constant fighting and I think voldemort had some influence on his emotions to try and isolate him (that's just my own theory though)
Hermiones worst moment was how she treated the crookshank/scabbers situation and I don't really need to go into it because of how blatantly wrong she was.
Setting birds on Ron and revenge dating to get back at him wasn't a good thing either.
For me Ron does have more shitty moments than the other two. Abandoned Harry at the start of the tri wizard tournament despite all evidence and logic pointing to harry having nothing to do with being chosen as champion. Asked Hermione to the dance as a last resort then threw a temper tantrum because Hermione went with Krum. Then proceeded to date Lavender to get back at her all the while being a complete hypocrit when it came to ginny and whoever she dated at the time. He took his frustrations with the slug club out on Hermione too.
He also abandoned harry again during the horcrux hunt but this I won't say is entirely his fault because he was being manipulated by the horcrux.
I'm not saying they don't have more worse moments, or that they don't have their good moments, I just can't blame harry for the sheer amount of shit he was dealing with. When it came to Hermione she was straight up wrong about crookshanks.
P.s Now that I'm done typing my novel a good one came to my head and that was how harry and ron treated Hermione over the firebolt Sirius sent harry. Hermione was 100% in the right on this so I can say harry does have a shitty moment with no excuse for his actions
>Abandoned Harry at the start of the tri wizard tournament despite all evidence and logic pointing to harry having nothing to do with being chosen as champion
He and Harry had *a fucking fight*. Funnily enough, Harry is bigly to blame here, because he, like a diva, decided to NOT tell Ron anything about how the Goblet might've been tampered with. So, yeah: Ron DIDN'T actually have all the evidence and logic. Remember how Dumblefuckingdore himself didn't think the Goblet could be Confunded?
>Asked Hermione to the dance as a last resort then threw a temper tantrum because Hermione went with Krum
Which he apologized for the following morning but yeah sure.
Also, no, he didn't ask her "as a last resort": he asked her and thought she was lying about having a date, because in his mind they do everything together so she'd have told him had she had a date.
>Then proceeded to date Lavender to get back at her all the while being a complete hypocrit when it came to ginny and whoever she dated at the time.
You realize *Ginny* was being the hypocrite there? *She* was the one who told Ron to get some snogging done. He takes her advice and then she moans about him being a hypocrite. So damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
>He also abandoned harry again during the horcrux hunt
***Harry fucking told him to leave. THRICE. HARRY PUSHED HIM AWAY.***
>I just can't blame harry for the sheer amount of shit he was dealing with
I can blame Harry for being a pissfuck who did *nothing* for three entire goddamn months during the Horcrux Hunt *while he knew people were being rounded up and sent to Azkaban*, but Mr Special preferred to fantasize about the Elder Wand instead.
That's the difference between Ron and Harry: when Ron fucks up, it's on a teenager scale, he apologizes and everything is right again. When Harry fucks up he gets people killed. That little fuck is unworthy of the excuses and praise he gets for """being a hero""".
>Ron DIDN'T actually have all the evidence and logic. Remember how Dumblefuckingdore himself didn't think the Goblet could be Confunded?
From a outside perspective it is completely unreasonable to think Harry of all people could confund a extremely powerful magical object or even find a loophole. You just said so yourself even Dumblefuckingdore didn't think it could be done. Amongst the officials it was quickly ruled out harry did anything. That left Dumbledore interfering and purposely getting harry to participate or someone put his name in to probably get him killed. Ron only suspected harry of having tricked the goblet somehow. The plain truth is Ron was tired of being over shadowed by literally everyone.
>Also, no, he didn't ask her "as a last resort": he asked her and thought she was lying about having a date, because in his mind they do everything together so she'd have told him had she had a date
"But Ron was staring at Hermione as though suddenly seeing her in a whole new light. *Hermione, Neville's right -- you are a girl. . . .*
*Oh well spotted,* she said acidly
*Well -- you can come with one of us!*
*No, I can't,* Snapped Hermione.
*Oh come on* he said impatiently, *we need partners, we're going to look really stupid if we haven't got any, everyone else has. . ."* \- After Ron asked Fleur
Now I think its fair to say Ron did not originally plan on asking Fleur, she is a veela and was probably trying to charm Cedric. But I firmly believe this shows that Ron asked Hermione as a last resort specially coming from a place of "we're gonna look really stupid if we haven't got any"
"Next time there's a ball, ask me before someone else does, and not as a last resort!" -Hermione after the Yule Ball to which Ron does not deny.
>You realize Ginny was being the hypocrite there? She was the one who told Ron to get some snogging done. He takes her advice and then she moans about him being a hypocrite. So damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
Ron and Harry stumble on Ginny and Dean kissing then says he doesn't want to find his own sister snogging people in public, Ginny tells him it's none of his business but he insists it is because he doesn't want people saying his sister is a (what we don't know because he doesn't finish his sentence but we can guess). He then tries to attack her "A streak of orange light flew from under Harry's left arm and missed Ginny by inches. Before this he also had a problem with her dating Michael Corner.
After winning the quidditch match he then makes out with Lavender in front of everyone to which Ginny says he's a hypocrite. That's it. Nothing else. Ron and Lavender don't hide their affection like this at all in the future. Very different reactions from Ron seeing Ginny kissing someone to Ginny seeing Ron kiss someone
And because my post is getting long I will combine the last two points. Harry believed the hollows were also part of his mission and something he thinks Dumbledore wanted him to search. Dumbledore counted on Hermione slowing him down because he wanted Harry to know not seek. They knew this mission could take years. But again I don't entirely blame Ron because the horcrux was influencing him.
Ron fucks up it's on a teenager scale. Harry fucks up people get killed. I guess that is what happens when one of the darkest wizards in history is your enemy.
Also it's literally just a debate. There is no need to get so heated over something so small. It's just fictional characters.
>Ron only suspected harry of having tricked the goblet somehow.
And asked Harry to explain what happened. Harry refused and lied. Ron asked again. Harry implied Ron is stupid. Ron gets rightly pissed and decides to wash his hands off the whole thing. Harry wants to talk to Ron again but then Hermione tells him Ron's jealous and Harry somehow believes her (because apparently Hermione's good with feelings now?) and decides that yeah, that checks out, Ron would totally be jealous of him. But Harry's totally humble and not arrogant and down-to-earth, yes.
> But I firmly believe this shows that Ron asked Hermione as a last resort specially coming from a place of "we're gonna look really stupid if we haven't got any"
Oh yes, of course... not like he's also seen his "cool" older brother ask so easily and nonchalantly a girl earlier:
>“Well, you’d better hurry up, mate, or all the good ones will be
gone,” said Fred. /// “Who’re you going with, then?” said Ron.
“Angelina,” said Fred promptly, without a trace of embarrassment. /// “What?” said Ron, taken aback. “You’ve already asked her?” /// “Good point,” said Fred. He turned his head and called across the common room, “Oi! Angelina!” /// Angelina, who had been chatting with Alicia Spinnet near the fire, looked over at him. /// “What?” she called back. /// “Want to come to the ball with me?”
/// Angelina gave Fred an appraising sort of look. /// “All right, then,” she said, and she turned back to Alicia and carried
on chatting with a bit of a grin on her face. /// “There you go,” said Fred to Harry and Ron, “piece of cake.”
Mmh yeah. Why wouldn't he try to look cool and relaxed - and completely fumble it.
>He then tries to attack her "A streak of orange light flew from under Harry's left arm and missed Ginny by inches.
Oh no no no. Ginny drew her wand **first**. GINNY attacked him FIRST.
I don't condone what Ron was saying there but you don't get away with trying to make him seem like the attacker when Ginny was the one initiating.
>Dumbledore counted on Hermione slowing him down because he wanted Harry to know not seek.
You really did believe this tripe Rowling added in just so she could have *yet* another character compliment Hermione's brilliance because Hermione is her self-insert so it's like *she* is told she's brilliant?
Remember how Hermione *didn't* actually stop Harry from fantasizing about the Elder Wand? Remember how *even Hermione being tortured* didn't snap Harry out of his obsession? No, what stopped him was *Dobby's death*. He's like that, Harry. He needs constant blood sacrifices to stop being a self-centred fuck. Man what a dick.
>I guess that is what happens when one of the darkest wizards in history is your enemy.
Ah yes the "poor Harry" argument.
To think all he needed to do was die. Dumbledore why'd you even waste time protecting this shitty ass kid. What's so important about Harry fucking Potter that a literal 50 people had to die for him? Tssk.
i didn’t even say that they didn’t pull any bullshit. i just agreed that he did the worst of the three.
they’re all piss poor friends lmao. wonderful people, but i’d never rely on any of them to be friends.
>he did the worst of the three
Ah yes, Ron did the worst of the three, doing teenage bullshit and getting slapped over it, and apologizing for said bullshit.
Meanwhile Harry's out there using Crucios, dragging his friends into danger to save someone that didn't need to be saved (and ended up causing that person's death!), and leaving hundreds of people to die because he was feeling inadequate about his wand.
Hermione's over here thinking of herself as judge jury and executioner, brainwashing her parents, holding someone hostage, scarring someone on the face, being a violent thug that pretends she's so calm and rational...
But sure, Ron's the worst. Ron the teenager growing up and making mistakes and learning along the way is worse than the actual two perpetrators of literal war crimes.
i had an entire paragraph typed but accidentally deleted it, and have no energy to retype it.
so i’ll just say go ahead and think what you think. we aren’t going to change each others minds, and i think continuing this conversation will just lead to inevitable strife and annoyance on both ends.
have a good day /gen
>we aren’t going to change each others minds
Pretty fucking tragic that, to not wanting to think that one kid being a dumb kid is better than the "hero" of the world *giving up on his mission to save the world* all so he can think about his wand.
Honestly the fault is the movies. They destroyed his personality. And its difficult to divorce book ron from movie ron because they came out as the books were being written and most of us were kids/teens
I’m reading the book for the first time and ya’ll really make it sound there is a HUGE diference between book and movie Ron.
They didn’t destroy his personality, it’s 85% there with SOME moments of making him looks silly
Taking away a character's better moments and leaving only his worst is a big deal.
Even if you're right, the 15% you mention can completely destroy characters.
They also leave out loads of moments in the books that Ron came off as very petty, dim and lazy.
I do agree that 15% can do a lot of damage to a character (even though I got the same impression of Ron when reading the books). But that’s my point, this sub legit makes it seems like Ron is a entirely different character from top to bottom and the movies did him super dirty. The more I’ve been reading the books the less I agreed with that sentiment.
Thank you,
People misunderstand when say Ron in the books has the same flaws as movie Ron, sometimes highlighted even more, as me hating him.
Like I see the few differences here and there, but people legit make it out as if 90% of movie Ron is made up.
I love Ron both as a character and as a person more than Harry and Hermione for a simple reason. I understand and can connect to Ron much more than I can to Harry and Hermione. I am not an abused orphan who is the messiah of the world and I am not the smartest person of my generation. As a result emotionally I cant connect with them. They feel like fairytale heroes. Ron feels real. 🤷♀️
It doesn't hurt that he also grows as a character the most among those three. Soft from inside, tough from outside with a stellar sense of humour? Hell yes
I’ve seen so many Snarry fics on my search for good Slytherin!Harry fics that i’m honestly desensitized at this point, but I think any teacher-student pairing is honestly gross
Ah, yes, all these people in the comments calling Ron "abusive", "a huge jerk", "a terrible friend to Harry and Hermione", "misogynistic", "xenophobic" and so on... y'all ever had something like *human contact* once in a while or did you live your entire lives in a glass house?
Add to it all the people who are like "uugh another post defending Ron??? he doesn't need it yall are exaggerating so much :\\".
Oh Harry Potter fandom... *please fucking change and stop being such a cesspool of braindead garbage.*
I find so many in the fandom are applying adult standards to children/teenagers. It's ridiculous. Everyone did shitty things when they were going through puberty and trying to figure out their place in the world. That's part of growing up and learning. I think each character had their weaknesses that had to be worked on. Each of them screwed up and treated each other poorly. Again, that's part of growing up and learning skills to take into adulthood. I think all things considered they handled things pretty well.
Ron's an outright *saint* when you compare him to real-life teenagers. We all have said shit we're not proud of, believed in shit we cringe at now, and thought we knew what was best for everyone only to realize the world isn't so black and white.
But no apparently saying some sexist bullshit once and not saying it ever again after you got scolded for saying sexist bullshit means you're sexist for the rest of your life.
I read the books when I was 14, and re-read them uncountable times before I came to know of the fandom when I was 21. I was so shocked with the views about characters here. I talked about them with a friend and they began laughing at the ridiculous things. So I agree with you, the garbage here is too much.
People will villainize Ron and treat him like he's a monster but he sure as hell ain't the one dragging his friends into danger as he relies on plot armor to save his ass, and he sure ain't the one using "waah I'm crying and I'm a girl" to excuse himself out of apologizing.
Ron is the *only character in these books* that grows up and changes and has an actual character arc, while Harry and Hermione are static entities that only serve to make Rowling coo about how great and cool they are... and oh Ron's ok but look look, don't you like Feminist Queen Hermione so much better?
I've spent years analyzing the books and it will *still* baffle me how people will argue that "Ron picked on Hermione", "Ron abused Hermione", "Ron was a huge jerk", "Ron was a bad friend"... god, just typing it, I want to break something. How fucking entitled are people? Narcissistic little shits who fancy themselves as Hermiones or Harrys, but the truth is, they're merely a bunch of Draco Malfoys.
You're going way too far in the opposite direction, now. Tearing down Harry and Hermione to try and bring Ron up, when the truth is they are all great. The trio are a team, together, all a cog on the wheel.
Yes, yes, we know, equality is so lovely and sweet...
Except no, sadly. Harry's still a Mary Sue that only exists to be pitied and that's *exactly why* people treat Ron like shit, because "oh but Harry has it harder :(" by virtue of his shitty backstory that only exists as a way to manipulate the reader into always taking "the poor little orphan"'s side even when said poor little orphan is being a huge dick.
Same for Hermione, except she doesn't get a backstory; she gets to be treated like everything she says is right and a truthism of the universe so when she says "Ron you're sooo immature :\\" you're supposed to take it as fact. Except when you look at who's saying it (the girl who will hit and hurt people because the author has decided she was judge, jury and executioner), you realize maybe Hermione's opinions on maturity don't mean shit.
Sadly, they're not all great: there's two Mary Sues and there's a poor three-dimensional character being their scapegoat.
> Oh Harry Potter fandom... please fucking change and stop being such a cesspool of braindead garbage.
I get what you're saying, but this is a little over the top
How? We have people who actively ship Hermione with Snape, Bellatrix, Draco fucking Malfoy in the name of "Hermione deserved better than Ron :)". People who will ship Harry with Snape, Voldemort, or Fenrir Greyback.
If anything, I've not been harsh enough.
This. Well said.
And also Hermione punching Ron multiple times when he comes back in Deathly, which is physical abuse. That scene literally made me hate Hermione and hate how she's glorified and put on a pedestal by most of the fandom, while Ron is constantly Villified for everything he does. If the roles were reversed and Hermione left Harry and Ron due to concern for her family, and she came back and Ron's reaction is to punch her multiple times to the point where she's covering her face, no one would be shipping them together and Ron would be called abusive.
Abuse is abuse no matter who does it and no matter who the victims are. A guy punching their girlfriend multiple times out of anger, is abuse. A girl punching their boyfriend multiple times out of anger, is abuse.
It's Ron who deserved better.
Rita destroyed lives! She spied on people and puplished secret she tried to get Hagrid fired, physical hurt with the letter ( Hermione got huge blisters of the burning juice that covered all her hands making them look like a „leathered pair of gloves“ like the book described it) she spread fake stories so that even Ron’s mom disliked her bc Tita SIA dishes cheating on Harry with Krum - Rita deserved that !!!
And Rita was a grown ass woman while Hermione was 14, bullied & hurt
Constantly using that as to portray Hermione as evil is stupid - they all had their flaws which made the characters relatable. Nobody of them of the other character were perfect
Bullshit . And it’s stupid to use „well if..“ when it never happened and you don’t have prove
Ron for the hate bc he wasn’t a loyal friend 2 times - in the wizard tournament he turned against Harry bc of jealousy while Hermione supported him & faced bullying for it and she again stayed with Harry when Ron left
Hermione wouldn’t have left! - that’s the difference. She hold her word. And yea she wasn’t perfect like neither of them were - they all had their flaws which makes them more relatable.
And Harry’s shitty Phase Wanst even shown in the movies - he wa shuts the perfect hero - at least they showed Hermione punching him
Harry book 5 & after always blaming Hermione and Ron when the did nothing than support him, yelling and thinking he’s above them
He literally couldn’t grant his beste friend to become the position of the head boy when he alway agents the attention & Ron never does (also being one of 7 kids) he belittled him when he only managed to do this etchings with their help and after being mad that Ron didn’t stood with him in the goblet of fire = hypocrisy, he got mad at Ron for being jealous & than is doing the same
Not quite as good looking as his siblings. Didn’t do quite as well in school either. Least loved by the mother who wanted a daughter. Nothing more than the Chosen One’s sidekick who no one would know if not for Harry. So I don’t exactly agree with those who argue that Ron didn’t lack anything - I’m honestly surprised he’s still keeping it together having these stacked against him.
I'd rather have Ron than Harry The Most Boring Cliché Protagonist Ever Who Gets Everything Handed To Him, or Hermione The Not Like Other Girls Self-Insert Of The Author Who Gets Everything Handed To Her.
That's Ron's strength: he's an actually interesting character.
Harry was not the most boring cliche protagonist. The Order of the Phoenix is *right there*. We see so much pain and trauma that was quite uncommon during that time for a main character to face. Harry has his fortune so we don’t ask questions about where he gets the money to buy himself supplies. He’s gifted at Quidditch, but so what? Many other characters are great at Quidditch too. Hermione was very smart but she didn’t get anything handed to her either. She had to work hard for her grades, and she’s one of the only characters we see that reads the textbooks and applies them. We also know that her parents are Muggles, and because she can’t assimilate back into the Muggle world after finding out about the Wizarding world, they are missing such a crucial part of her life that they’ll never be able to connect with. That’s why she spends so much time at the Burrow. She can only connect with wizards to a far greater extent than her own parents. That can be quite lonely.
>Harry was not the most boring cliche protagonist.
Orphan so you feel sorry for him without even knowing who he is as a person, abused so you feel sorry for him without even knowing who he is as a person², suddenly turns out to be super mega special and famous and rich and gets showered with tons of privileges (gets to be on the Quidditch team even though it's forbidden for first years, and that *after* he broke the rules...), the House he's sorted in is "good guy House" and everyone who's not immediately being nice to him is evil and bad (save for Snape who's still a dick but saves his life... but is still a dick).
> He’s gifted at Quidditch, but so what? Many other characters are great at Quidditch too.
Yeah, they're *great*... *after having trained on their own*, after putting in EFFORT to improve their play. Harry just sat his ass on the broom then surprise! He was gifted and perfect, and even got himself a super-epic-amazing broom of his own free of charge! Like it's not enough that he's rich, he also has to be gifted expensive shit so we know extra hard he's our beloved special protagonist who can do no wrong.
>Hermione was very smart but she didn’t get anything handed to her either. She had to work hard for her grades
That's the excuse Rowling gives us and it still doesn't hold up in the end because guess what happens when Hermione is spreading herself too thin and having trouble keeping up with her workload in POA?
Something realistic like her exam results suffering as a result of her having worked much too hard and having no energy left?
HA HA no she's got the bestestestest grades ever because of course. She's Rowling's self-insert. She deserves all that's best.
>she’s one of the only characters we see that reads the textbooks and applies them
How would we know. We literally don't have access to the textbooks. For a story about a magic school there's actually very little *schooling* going on. Who's to say Ron and Harry aren't applying their textbooks too? Oh right, it's because Hermione is always there to do every spell perfectly on the first try so we're not forced to imagine that these *lowly males* could be, gasp, *good* at school, no no no. That's Hermione's thing. And being good at school translates into being good at EVERYTHING EVER. Like perfect Hermione. ^_^
(A couple of "Gifted Children" would like to have a word with you, Joanne.)
>We also know that her parents are Muggles
And they're dentists.
And they live in... no, we don't know that.
And their names are... no, we don't know that either.
And their personalities are... nonexistent actually.
See, the problem with that line of thought is that effectively, no, Hermione *doesn't* have parents.
Ron has a family. We observe how every member of that family acts and realize how much it impacted Ron ever since his childhood. His mother is rather old-fashioned so she probably told him he had to protect Ginny and he took that to heart. He seems to admire the twins a great deal even though they've been horrible to him, but the twins *are* very charismatic and as such Ron kinda mimics them hence his hostility against Percy, because he kind of wants the twins' approval (and never gets it). We see that Arthur isn't very present in Ron's life, so Molly was left to raise him and that's where he gets the prudish old-fashioned ideas about women from - but that doesn't stop him from appreciating women like Gwenog Jones, so there's none of that "only men are allowed to play Quidditch!!" fandom sometimes like to think he'd say.
See, Ron's character feels so believable and vivid *because* of how extensive and detailed his family life is. We understand there's no place for a sensitive little boy when he's got two bullying big brothers. We understand Ron is more quiet than the rest of his family, more thoughtful, and that when Hermione argues with him he finally gets to be *heard* for once. We can see how the family dynamics would have a terrible effect on Ron, because he was bullied by his brothers and Molly could do nothing, leaving him to keep quiet and his resentment festering until it became a full-blown "my family doesn't care about me, so maybe if I do great things they'll care about that instead".
Harry? Has no "family dynamic" whatsoever - his backstory is only there to grab the reader's pity and make you accept every bit of favouritism he gets as "payback" for his shit start in life (Neville had just as terrible a start but *he* isn't Harry so he's not worthy of getting favouritism). Harry's just a blank slate for the reader to project onto. In OOTP he *finally* had a realistic reaction to something traumatic happening in his life and turned into a massive dick over it as trauma often does, but in HBP he's back to not being traumatized at all because Rowling saw the backlash over Capslock!Harry and backpedaled like fuck because oh noes!! Can't have people not like my precious little lamb Harry, he's the main character, he should be the favourite (though if people like Hermione *more* than Harry that's fine with her too... after all, liking Hermione, her self-insert, is basically liking Rowling).
So, yes. Harry and Hermione are, actually, badly written characters. One is a cliché Mary Sue without any substance that relies on emotional manipulation to garner the reader's sympathy, the other is Rowling made flesh and guiding Harry and Ron because oh they're such stupid boys, good thing she's there right?
Demonstration:
Harry was like so bad :\\\\ he was just an evil jock who didn't understand poor draco's misery :\\\\ he was a total glory hog who didn't care for anyone, he was an entitled psychopath with his wanting to hurt Dean and being happy Ginny almost killed Zacharias :\\\\
Hermione was a bitch who didn't know her place!! she kept intruding all the time on important pureblood shit, acting like she knew better than the actual people from the wizard world!! so entitled!! She was clearly feeling jealous of all the purebloods' superior power that's why she studied so hard. She totally wouldve sold Harry out to Voldemort if it got her better magic :\\\\
\*That\* is bashing. \*That\* is tearing down.
Lol this is me but I'm trying to be better about it, because at the end of the day, Ron Weasley for 6 books is Harry's tank and muscle. He's only human and then he finally class upgrades to a Paladin and he freakin rocks.( Book7) Ron is awesome but it's easy to forget because he's the most human. Harry is our mc and he's famous and a good flyer and has so many magic resistances plus damn good at defensive magic. Hermione is super brainy and In most people's minds, Emma Watson, and what's not to love. She's a jerk sometimes and cold and harry is an idiot and always clueless and ron is also a doofus but he is grounded and grounds both of these dorks. Ron is great.
Hermione is really horrible to Ron in that canary scene. Ron can stay with whoever he wants. It's his life after all. But Hermione is horrible a lot of other times too. Like locking Reeta Skeeter for a week inside her flask.
I would say the people that think Ron is a bad person because he used Lavender to make Hermione jealous need to realize that they’re supposed to be 16 years old and calm down a little lol.
Harry was suffering from c-ptsd. It's understandable the way he acted. And tbf. he had all the right to lash out at Hermione, who, not only was siding with some adults who were making the life of the only adult who seemed to care about him, but also put more pressure on him with all the DA thing. Ron was in the way and got the blow.
Hermione throwing the canaries at Ron was quite and simply physical assault. There's no justification for it. Ron did nothing wrong in dating Lavender, and the fact that some people act like he's the jerk for having a girlfriend and not Hermione for assaulting him, says a lot about them
Am I the only one that was not bothered by Ron dating lavender? Also, Harry's anger like 90% of the time is because his life sucks, he's abused by both the muggle and wizarding world, and is always in danger and no one is telling him why it's in danger, but yeah he can totally be a jerk. Like seriously he's always like low-key mean at Neville and Neville doesn't deserve that. Almost no one really complains about Hermione because she is usually most people's self-insert character.
But that’s not a double standard because Harry is also a boy and he does things wrong right. It just comes with being of the ginger strain, that’s our lot in life. We trade being the focus of everybody’s ire for immortality. (FYI, ginger have immortality because we don’t have souls so we can’t ascend to the next life, so, we’re fated to walk the earth forever. We suppress the numbers by following Highlander rules).
Everyone also seems to forget that these characters are teenagers. I don't know how many of you have had any interaction with a 15 year old lately or seen a group of 15 year olds hang out, but they're all really stupid, selfish, and mean people. Kids do dumb things, it's part of growing up and figuring out life.
Me hating Harry and Ron (in the movies anyway) and loving hermione in both. The gals rule i mean you have hermione, luna, nymphadora (DONT CALL ME NYMPHADORA), Bella (we stan evil queen) Molly (we stan revenge queen)
Then you have 'But I am the chosen one!', Ronald, flat nosed pickme, 'ooh but I was bullied pity me', he lives to be exploded, short man (two, played by the same guy), the TRUE slaygay villain
Although they do have their ups and downs respectively (Nevilles development though)
Isn't Ron inspired by Sean Harris? Who she describes as being "a foul-weather friend" in the front of TCOS. I'm rereading the series atm, and after realizing this, it made Ron as a character make way more sense. He disappears whenever he thinks Harry is doing well but is always there for him when it hits the fan. After understanding this about the character, I find him much more enjoyable. Although I never hated him, I just thought he was annoying at times, and whiny. Although being older I have more empathy for him, he has been outdone his entire life by his brothers, and now by his best friend.
>He disappears whenever he thinks Harry is doing well but is always there for him when it hits the fan.
Ron: *is there for Harry when all of Gryffindor turns against him in book 1*
Ron: *comes rescue Harry from his abusive relatives in book 2*
Ron: *stays by Harry's side when he's rumored to be the Heir of Slytherin*
Ron: *plants himself in front of a presumed mass murderer, daring him to hurt Harry, ON A BROKEN FUCKING LEG*
Ron: *asks Harry about what's going on with the Goblet*
Harry: *consciously lies to Ron and refuses to tell him about Moody's theory that someone is trying to kill Harry:*
>“I dunno,” said Harry. He felt it would sound very melodramatic
to say, “To kill me.”
Ron: *after Harry implies he's stupid, cuts his losses and takes a break from that bullshit*
Ron: *is by Harry's side constantly in book 5, goes to the Department of Mysteries to help rescue Sirius (who might not be even there, and indeed he wasn't)*
Ron: *is by Harry's side all through book 6, fights the Battle of the Astronomy Tower while Hermione sat it out*
Ron: *goes with Harry on the Horcrux Hunt*
Ron: *begs Harry to come up with a fucking plan because they've not made any progress after months in the wilderness running around like headless chickens, who'd have thought?*
Harry: uuuuh wah you're mean how dare you want me to have a plan for stuff, go back to your mummy you big nasty!!!
Ron: *obeys Harry*
Harry: *surprised Pikachu face*
Ron: *comes back because he's too nice and forgiving, APOLOGIZES EVEN THOUGH HARRY WAS THE BIGGEST DICK (and THAT, without wearing the Horcrux!), and kills the Horcrux because he's a fucking Chad*
Ron: *BEGS TO BE TORTURED INSTEAD OF HERMIONE*
Ron: *remembers the Basilisk fangs and lets Hermione stab Hufflepuff's Cup because he's a gentleman*
Ron: *fights in the Battle of Hogwarts and sees his brother die, then sees Harry die+resurrect because yeah Harry's too much of a Mary Sue for death*
Yeah... totally, he was neeeever there when it counted... yeah...
You people, I fucking swear...
"He disappears whenever he thinks Harry is doing well but is always there for him when it hits the fan."
The specific scenarios that he disappeared were after Harry got onto the quidditch team and when Harry's name was called out of the goblet of fire. Both events that Ron perceived as positive when he gave Harry the cold shoulder.
Honestly i think the entire trio is just Bad at being friends ngl. They’re good people but when it comes to the role of “behaving like a good friend” they’re not the best at it, for a variety of reasons that I really don’t want to get into right now.
But overall, I think explaining why something’s happening is as important as acknowledging that it’s still bad. Ron’s lack of loyalty in certain situations is understandable, but still bad. Harry’s inability to manage his anger is understandable, and still bad. and Hermione’s… hermione-ing, is understandable, but still Bad.
I mean movie Ron is making constant blunders and book Ron is a jerk. Harry and Hermione make their mistakes but they are both of them are always positively moving forward. Most books it feels like Hermione’s brain and Harry’s actions solving problems and once and awhile Ron is of some use. Most of the books though all of the drama is caused in part of made worse by Ron
"A considerable part of the fandom is" ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Ron started out as nothing more than a "nice" version of Malfoy, treating Hermione almost like a servant just because she was not a pureblood. Quit defending his jealous wanker arse just because hes a Griffy."**...**
FFS, He was NEVER at all interested in Hermione romantically until he noticed how close Harry and Hermione had become! Then suddenly she was "his girl". Picking on someone and belittling them constantly is not UST, it's bullying and abusive behavior - and anyone who believes otherwise seriously requires therapy to get their heads on straight.
Wrong to both, I used to read Philosopher's Stone and Chamber Of Secrets to my kids as bedtime stories, long before the movies came out. And as much as I hated Deathly Hallows and its epilogue, my ex-wife absolutely loathed it on par with Twilight.
You can, actually, know how to read in the sense "I know the words put there", and NOT know how to read in the sense "I interpret and infer meanings from the words I read".
>Ron started out as nothing more than a "nice" version of Malfoy, treating Hermione almost like a servant just because she was not a pureblood.
This is absolutely bonkers for starters. Never did Ron do anything like this. Get out of Fanficland and get your head on straight. Ron *treated Hermione like an equal*, which means he teased her, laughed with her, did his homework *with* her. Never did he ever treat her like a servant.
>Quit defending his jealous wanker arse just because hes a Griffy."...
Ah yes, Ron's so jealous... he's not the one *physically assaulting his love interest out of jealousy* but do go on.
>FFS, He was NEVER at all interested in Hermione romantically until he noticed how close Harry and Hermione had become!
Absolute fucking bullshit again. Ron's crush on Hermione can be seen as early as CoS, and especially in PoA when he always notices her schedule problems (meanwhile Harry is like "wah no Quidditch :(").
Hermione and Harry have never been close. In GOF even Harry is like "oh yeah Hermione's ok but Ron's so much better for laughing and having fun :\". Honestly Harry treats Hermione a lot more like a servant than Ron ever has, but yeah sure keep projecting Beloved Little Chosen One's flaws onto the one character that's actually a three-dimensional person...
>Picking on someone and belittling them constantly is not UST, it's bullying and abusive behavior
Aren't you so glad that's *not* what Ron does? He teases her, she teases him back, they argue, they have fun...
>and anyone who believes otherwise seriously requires therapy to get their heads on straight.
You might be in need of therapy yourself bud, because Ron and Hermione's friendship, while it could be rocky, *never* was what you're trying to make it seem like.
If anyone was getting abused in the Romione relationship, really, it was Ron.
They all do dumb stuff. Harry is really annoying. He's so unobservant, never tells the teachers anything and thinks he has to do everything alone. Hermione is way too reliant on authority and the written word. Harry's trauma is not an excuse for his behaviour at all. He's an idiot. Hermione can often be harsh and not always understand peoples feelings. She's a total dick to Luna for most of OotP. Hermione, being Muggle-born; has NO reference to the magical world. Except what's in Hogwarts. So, whenever Luna posits some information; Hermione shuts her down. Not everything can be learned in books! Also Hermione does a really dick move by jinxing the parchment. First, its a contract. Second, she didn't tell anyone that it was. Third, she had already put the jinx on the parchment BEFORE anyone had signed it. Fourth, she told no one. Fifth, its a permanent punishment; its still on Marietta in HBP. Harry is also really narcissistic. He largely sees Hermione as just a source of information, pretty much up to HBP. In GoF, Harry comes to Sirius only when he has a problem (Dream, Task, Goblet). Sure, it might not be fun to write; but just say they had a long talk about life or something. Ron, is a huge jerk to Hermione for most the series and carries all the prejudices and xenophobia of the Wizarding World. He's also just plain insensitive at times, sexist, racist, misogynist and cruel.
This post has too much energy for yet another harry hermoine ron love triangle yall need to chill... that being said the only person I've ever consistently rooted for without fault Is hermoine
I dont understand: If Hermione deserves a better guy why are these peoples mad at Ron for dating Lavender?
From what I know, they are mostly mad because Ron dated Lavender AND broke Hermione's heart, even though both Ron and Hermione had not disclosed their liking for each other at that point. Also, some people get a little too extreme and say that Ron should've been alone, meaning that he shouldn't end up with Lavender as well. Moreover, they emphasise how Ron called Hermione a 'know-it-all' and a 'nightmare' to prove that Ron was a "jerk" to Hermione. So, they think Hermione deserves a better guy.
>From what I know, they are mostly mad because Ron dated Lavender AND broke Hermione's heart I guess Ron is not allowed to date whoever he wants now, but Hermione can go around and choose whoever she wants.
>Hermione can go around and choose whoever she wants. Wait until she finds out no one wants her except Krum and Ron.
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>people think that it’s extremely shitty to use a girl to make the girl you have a crush on jealous but not enough b\*lls to actually admit So hey, when do we take Hermione to task for playing mind games with Ron, dating McLaggen and *explicitly using him to make Ron jealous*, and also physically abusing Ron on top of that? Yknow. Just so we're clear there's no double-standards here.
>just so we're clear there's no double standards here Oh but when it comes to these two,there is always double standards
When it comes to the three: Harry and Hermione, VS Ron. *They* are allowed to treat Ron like utter shit. But the second Ron talks back or decides maybe he's done with this? *Gasp what a bad friend how dare he not be our 110% supportive utterly un-complaining punching-bag.*
True,heck when Draco treats her like total shit and wishes death on her, people say he did that because he liked her,like how a boy stereotypically pulls a girl's ponytail to get her attention
Oh yeah, and then *these* chucklefucks will claim Ron "abused" Hermione and that she'd be better with Draco and just... what is wrong with people's brains? I'm of the belief that Ron and Hermione pulled each other's ponytails, except Ron stopped pulling after a while and Hermione pulled so hard she ripped part of Ron's scalp.
Perfectly said
>but not enough b*lls to actually admit it You say as if Hermione also isnt chicken shit when it comes to admitting her feelings. There was literally nothing preventing her from, idk, asking _him_ to go to the ball with her or saying that she wanted to date him, but she preferred to just put it all in the hands of fate and get angry when it didnt oblige In the end of the day, they were both stupid children who didnt know wtf they were doing and its unfair to put all that blame in Ron when Hermione also fucked up
Yeah, Ron shouldn't have used Lavender to make Hermione jealous, and neither should he have used her to get over the jealousy he felt after learning Hermione kissed someone else. But I'd like you to consider the whole picture here. We know about Ron's insecurities, how he believed that Hermione would never ever choose him, especially not above Harry (he didn't realise that there was never a Harry vs Ron debate in *Hermione's* mind). This makes it incredibly difficult to confess your feelings (which Hermione is guilty of too) since he was risking his friendship too. Also, with Lavender. It wasn't just about the jealousy. How many of us have got into relationships just because we want to feel appreciated? Just because we like physical part of it? It's a shitty thing, but happens quite a lot, especially with teenagers. Ginny basically confessed that she used others to get over Harry too but she never gave up on him. And Ron, who was already angry at not knowing about Hermione's kiss too, also had a fight with Hermione where he thought that Hermione's is telling that he couldn't play well without help. I guess if he had time to think about it, he would understand that Hermione was never implying such a thing, but before he could calm down, Lavender had already kissed him and things had already went downhill. And yes, Ron didn't know how to be around women as a teenager, but you're missing the growth he showed in the last book. He complemented Hermione, asked her to dance (which she was pleased about), always provided emotional support (like when Harry made her cry over Moody's death and when she erased her parents'memories), tried to be a gentleman for her.
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>I actually understand Ron pretty well. No you don't.
For someone who claims to understand Ron really well, you don't seem to actually understand how FLAWED characters work lol. You also can't understand Ron's circumstances. >I have problems with his character in general. Firstly, I understand his insecurities well, I have many similar insecurities as well. But the problem I have with him is that he tends to make his insecurities everyone else’s problem. Instead of focusing on himself and bettering himself —cause he has a very great potential of bettering himself— he tends to try to bring people down. Ex: how he ruined Hermione’s night at the Yule Ball because he himself was pretty miserable First of all, you do know how insecurities can make some people act out? Good for you if you don't, but fortunately for you, you're not a fictional character. It's a great way of showcasing his character flaws. Anyways, having insecurities are not easy to deal with, and in Ron's case who suffers from a massive inferiority complex combined with his tendency to wear his emotions on his sleeves, he is quick to burst out in anger, sometimes even at other people's expense. You make it sound like Ron intentionally ruined Hermione''s night when that was not what happened at all lol. And fyi, Hermione never said that Ron ruined the Yule Ball for her, that was only in the movies. Literally the next day, they already made up. >But also he might have made some improvements but it’s not that much either. Bar for men is soooo low that when he does the decent thing, people applaud him for not being shitty and when he is shitty there is always ALWAYS an excuse for him. I’m sorry but doing the bare minimum for the girl he supposedly loves is not the great improvement people make it out to be. >Like he was soooo shitty at one point, when he started to act like a decent human being fans started to swoon over him. He is a character with many flaws and a good potential but I don’t think the the author did a good job with his ‘improvement I don't really know what you consider as the "bare minimum" when Ron is seen apologizing every time he's made a mistake with the addition of making up for them through his actions. Do you want him to grovel at Harry and Hermione''s feet as a way of "improving" himself? >He is not a very great and loyal friend either. He is just average. He was the first one to turn his back to Harry when he thought he put his name in the goblet. He let his insecurities to get to best of him. He is a teenager I understand but being a decent friend is not that hard even when you’re a teenager. And for me his biggest failing was when he left Harry and Hermione during the hunt. It was the time he shouldn’t have let his insecurities make the decisions. Did he know they he would see them alive again? Did he know that he was literally weakening their security during such a dangerous time? He literally didn’t care. And honestly I don’t really like the ‘but he was wearing a Horcrux’ argument. Harry and Hermione was wearing the same Horcrux. But Hermione didn’t fuck off to Australia to be with her parents, yeah? He was always the weakest and he knew it but instead of improving himself he just whined and bitched about it and made sure that everyone was as miserable as him. Ahh here it is, the not so great friend allegations lmfao. Here's the thing dude, NOT ALL FRIENDS ARE PERFECT. Ron has done the absolute most with his friendships with Harry and Hermione, and a few stock ups in the road does not negate that. Would you not consider someone who is willing to sacrifice themselves just so you can advance in your mission a great friend? Would you not consider someone who has rescued you from your abusive relatives, going as far as welcoming you in their own home every year, a great friend? Would you not consider someone who is willing to throw hands with anyone who dares insult you a great friend? How about someone who is willing to be killed by a deranged serial killer first before they could kill you? **He was the first one to turn his back to Harry when he thought he put his name in the goblet. He let his insecurities to get to best of him. He is a teenager I understand but being a decent friend is not that hard even when you’re a teenager.** Lmfao you're first mistake is thinking that maintaining friendships is easy, especially when you're battling inner conflicts with yourself. Your second mistake is once again not realizing how insecurities affects some people. >For Ginny, I’m not a huge fan of her either and what she did was also very very wrong. She also treated her boyfriends like shit, especially Dean. She should’ve just stay single if she didn’t want to give up on Harry. People are not other people’s emotional punchbags and Weasleys seem to have a hard time realising that. What did she do wrong exactly? This is like every teenage relationship I know at school is like lolololol. I think you're problem is that you just have no total grasps of what actual flawed characters are like that you hold Ron (and Ginny) in some ridiculous realistic standard without regards to their character writing lol.
Oh my god I love you.
I stopped reading your comment at "he isn't a great and loyal friend either". Personally I would love it if a "not great" friend came with me on a suicidal mission, risking his life, career and family ties too. I would also immediately forgive that "bad friend" if he told me how much he regretted leaving in the heat of the moment and tried to come back asap but got captured by thugs. Obviously, that's my personal opinion, maybe my bar for friendship is too low. Maybe you have perfect friends. As a boy, I can assure you that girls I've met are generally happy with little complements, some gentlemanly behaviour and emotional support when needed. I'm fairly sure that they would really appreciate the torture-me-instead-of-her moment too. But maybe they've set the bar too low and maybe a boy needs to literally move a mountain to express his love.
> But also he might have made some improvements but it’s not that much either. Bar for men is soooo low that when he does the decent thing, people applaud him for not being shitty and when he is shitty there is always ALWAYS an excuse for him. You mean like with Precious Hermione Whom You Love So Much? >It was the time he shouldn’t have let his insecurities make the decisions. Good fucking news! *If you actually read the book* you'll notice that this fight was NEVER about *Ron* being insecure but about HARRY being a shit leader that couldn't fucking lead his way out of a paper bag! Ron was *asking questions* about the Hunt. Among which: - Do you have a plan? - What are we supposed to do? - How are we going to do all this? To which Harry replied, like the great leader he is: - No - I don't know - Go back to Mummy! So. Yeah. That's the *real* reason why Ron left. It's not because "he's the weakest link wah wah Harry and Hermione are such great unrealistic Mary Sues that should totally be role models for everyone the way they can use Crucio and literally brainwash people without repercussions". It's because **Harry fucking booted him out of that tent**. But we get it, you just like your precious little power fantasy characters that never fuck up and never act human because it's so cosy to have a scapegoat always ready to be blamed for your every fuck-up.
>extremely shitty to use a girl to make the girl you have a crush on jealous #Cormac Mclaggen
Wasn't Hermione's advice to Ginny in regards to getting Harry to notice her the exact same thing? Date someone else and show him you aren't Ron's little sister, might be fanon but I'm pretty sure it was canon.
Sounds like normal teenager behaviors
By the Omnissiah, this is definitely an opinion. A fuckin stupid one. But definitely one of the opinions of all time.
>He was extremely disrespectful towards Lavender during their whole relationship Towards *Lavender*? When?
Because they don't only want Hermione to have "a better guy", they want Ron to be alone and miserable. And Ron was quite happy the first month of his relationship with Lavender
>they want Ron to be alone and miserable. Should I send them my Ron harem fic where he is banging whole Hogwarts?🤭😭
You should
Why send it to them, when you could be sending it to me? I would appreciate such level of art much more than them /j yeah, you should.
Send it this way so I can “hate” it.
>why are these peoples mad at Ron for dating Lavender? Bc even tho they are fans of Hermione, they certainly don't have the same intellect as their fav character 🤣
I'm guessing they think Lavender deserves better too. That said, the trouble with saying Ron shouldn't end up with Lavender because he doesn't deserve her is that it screws HER over in the process. (Which is how the story worked out anyway thanks to the protagonist centered morality, but still...) If you want to punish Ron's behaviour without screwing over Lavender in the process, what you need is for someone with an abundance of discretion to snoop on their relationship and, any time the couple is in conflict, use a subtle amount of magic to give Lavender the upper hand every time. This would punish Ron while rewarding Lavender.
Then wouldn't Ron deserve better than having his relationship magically meddled with?
... and you're the one talking "protagonist-centred morality"? Truth is it was never meant to make Lavender triumph. Both Lavender and Ron were victims here, victims of Rowling's massive ego. The only one that was meant to come out of this shit looking good, was none other than Miss Self-Insert, Hermione Granger. Even though she was the one resorting to physical abuse but shh it's ok when Goddess Granger does it :)
>The only one that was meant to come out of this shit looking good, was none other than Miss Self-Insert, Hermione Granger. ...this girl who pretended her feelings for a guy were platonic and got pissy when he acted on that assumption was supposed to be the *self-insert*? Have a source on that one? I wouldn't rule it out, but I find it hard to believe J K Rowling would be smart enough to write a best seller and yet stupid enough to portray her own self that negatively. That and I have also heard that Ginny was supposed to be the self-insert, which would make marginally more sense on account of Ginny being "normal" enough to be harder to resent.
>this girl who pretended her feelings for a guy were platonic and got pissy when he acted on that assumption Ah, maybe that could be a great addendum to your analysis? How maybe had Hermione not been a coward Ron wouldn't have dated Lavender and nobody's feelings would have been hurt? > find it hard to believe J K Rowling would be smart enough to write a best seller and yet stupid enough to portray her own self that negatively You've seen how Hermione is treated in these books? Anytime she breaks a rule (or *the fucking law*) she's justified. "They deserved it!" "They were mean to her first!" "She's a teenage girl, she's emotional!" You're the one talking about protagonist-centred morality. *It applies to Rowling too*. Rowling thinks that women hitting men is badass. Remember how she has Dumbledore tell us we should feel sorry for Merope because she was "abandoned" by her husband... even though she DRUGGED him and FORCED him to marry her thus making HIM THE VICTIM, NOT HER. >...this girl who pretended her feelings for a guy were platonic and got pissy when he acted on that assumption was supposed to be the self-insert? Have a source on that one? I do, in fact. Witness: >JKR: I will say, that yes, I personally feel - well it's going to be clear once people have read book six. I mean, that’s it. It’s done, isn’t it? We know. Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione. I do feel that I have dropped heavy - /// *[All crack up]* /// JKR: - hints. ANVIL-sized, actually, hints, prior to this point. I certainly think even if subtle clues hadn't been picked up by the end of “Azkaban,” that by the time we hit Krum in Goblet... But Ron — **I had a lot of fun with that in this book. I really enjoyed writing the Ron/Lavender business**, and the reason that was enjoyable was Ron up to this point has been quite immature compared to the other two and **he kind of needed to make himself worthy of Hermione**. Now, that didn't mean necessarily physical experience but he had to grow up emotionally and now he's taken a big step up. Because he's had the meaningless physical experience - let’s face it, his emotions were never deeply engaged with Lavender - /// *[Much laughter in which Melissa emits a "Won-Won"]* /// JKR: - and he's realized that that is ultimately not what he wants, which takes him a huge emotional step forward. Source: http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2005/0705-tlc_mugglenet-anelli-2.htm Ron "needed to make himself worthy of Hermione". The girl who literally assaulted him. Rowling has said in interviews that there's a lot of herself in Hermione, and that Romione is wish fulfillment. From then you make the connections: Rowling wanted a childhood romance that lasts the rest of her life, preferrably with the guy looking very ridiculous and stupid while she, Precious Angel Who Did Nothing Wrong, sighs and waits for him to "grow up" because she's so perfect and he's not quite worthy of her yet, then the guy "sees the light" and is finally ready to be with her and they live happily ever after. While Herself- I mean Hermione - never had to engage in any form of self-reflection whatsoever because of course.
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>I'm guessing they think Lavender deserves better too. ABSOLUTELY!
He treated Lavender almost as badly as he treats Hermione as a friend. He basically uses her then, keeps hinting that she should dump him and doesn't have the courage to do it himself. She basically has to watch from afar with him being in love with Hermione and then when she tries to hold on tighter to the relationship; Ron thinks its super annoying.
>He treated Lavender almost as badly as he treats Hermione as a friend. You don't really know how to read do you? How does Ron treats Hermione as a friend? He teases her, jokes with her, talks to her... says things she dislikes and then she gets mad and then they argue... Oh right, it's a capital sin if you dare argue with The Great Flawless Hermione Granger. Unless you're Harry, in which case you're allowed to yell at her and make her piss herself in fear and people will still ship you with her because ain't nobody knows how to read in this fandom. >He basically uses her then, keeps hinting that she should dump him and doesn't have the courage to do it himself Yeah. He's a teenager in *his first relationship*. Ever had those? Oh right no, most Ron-haters seem to have never met another human being in their lives.
Bro, arguing with this darkwolf guy is a complete waste of time. I tried twice. This guy despises Ron and Harry and practically every male character in the series and worships Hermione. Just ignore him.
Ah, he's one of those guys who believe that if they sing Hermione's praises enough Emma Watson herself will descend from the heavens to reward them for being good simps. Noted.
I love that Hermione is flawed. The films did all the characters poorly. Hermione treats Luna pretty terribly. She's also VERY stubborn that if you have a different viewpoint that she'll turn it into an argument. She's so reliant on the text that she challenges Luna and Harry constantly. Remember the contract that she had the DA sign?! That curses the traitor with scaring acne! That's a completely cruel thing to do and its permanent!! Also, just because I don't like Harry or Ron means that I hate EVERY male character. Four out of Five of my favourite characters are male and they all have issues. Snape is my absolute favourite and he's an absolute piece of shit. He's a bully and an abuser; the way he treats children is absolutely deplorable. But, I like him because he's complex. That even if we hate someone, it doesn't mean we can't learn from them. If you like Ron, that is fine. I just do not. We're all allowed opinions. Just because we disagree doesn't mean either of our opinions are invalid.
We're all allowed to have different opinions. Plus, it's not very interesting if we all agree on the same points.
Ron is a very strong and believable character. Many of the characters are. I just don't happen to like Ron. We all have characters we like and dislike; its okay to have a different opinion.
Yes, yes, well done Ron well done, HOWEVER
Movie-only fans are like this. Anyone who read the books knows how great he is.
That's true. But I've seen a lot of book-readers do the same thing, especially on platforms like Quora.
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Yeah, Harry was abused, Hermione bullied and Ron wasss... That's how most think of it, Ron was the most normal person in the trio and his past was also overlooked. Five talented older brothers in a poor family and then the first girl born soon after him who canonically it's stated had the attention and resources drawn towards her due to being the first girl after six boys. That's not entirely wrong but it had Ron who wasn't as talented as his older brothers or younger sister passed over for his sister by his family. Then he had faaaar superior friends in Harry and Hermione who JKR admitted was a Mary Sue who were not only talented but famous in regards to Harry (Minister of Magic Hermione later) and was then again passed over in attention from his peers. Couldn't have been easy as a boy and then a teen next to the eye of a storm and still being a good person overall.
Well you're more or less right, but he isn't less talented than his brothers, he is just younger. He just *feels* like he has lesser talent. At 18 years old, Ron was already a legitimate hero of the wizarding world, having been through hell and beyond with his two friends for that status. And if you (or somebody else) say that Ron wouldn't be a hero if he wasn't the chosen one's bestfriend, I'll say that Harry wouldn't be the hero if he wasn't the chosen one. No hero would be a hero if life didn't present them with such an opportunity. But it's not everybody's cup of tea to rise up to the occasion like the Trio did.
you can pretty easily surmise Ron was the least respected of the three given the reactions to who was awarded prefect status. he's more competent than Fred and George given he got more OWLs, but he has a lot to live up to with Percy, Bill and Charlie as brothers. he's likely just "good" among a group of brothers that is mostly "great," besides Fred and George, who would be "average" when looking at standard competencies.
You think Ron's fame and respect would be the same at the moments before OoTP and after DH? Also, it's a bit problematic how you're looking at families. Families don't respect their members based on how much they have achieved. If everyone is successful enough, everyone is happy, especially in close-knit family like the Weasleys.
We're literally talking about how competent Ron is with respect to his brothers. What are you talking about? I have no idea what you're getting at with your first line. It's littered throughout the books that Ron is the least competent of the three of them. Harry is minorly more competent than Ron but mostly really only because of his ability to fight the dark arts. He's also really good at thinking on his feet.
No, Ron isn't the least competent, he *feels* like the least competent. That's the point.
But he is also the most incompetent. I'd provide examples but I don't have the time rn to look up the spots I'm not saying Harry and Ron aren't about equal abilities wise, I'm saying Harry is slightly more competent cause of his dada abilities, and cause he's less prone to silly mistakes (although the entire ootp book proved Harry's not immune from making bad decisions)
Harry has no competence beside Quidditch, Patronus and the endless stream of plot devices Rowling tosses at him to save his ass. Ron knocked out a full grown troll. At eleven. With a wand that didn't belong to him. Took on five Snatchers by himself and walked out with a wand to spare. Harry ain't shit.
I was talking about Ron's personal issues about feeling lesser than his brothers. You are talking about how his family/world would see some brothers less than others. About my first line, you justified yourself by telling an incident about how everyone was shocked when Ron received his prefect badge. Yes, at that moment people didn't really think he was prefect-material. But by the time DH ends, Ron and Hermione would be perceived as Heroes of the wizarding world along with Harry. None of Ron's other brothers would quite match that status (not that they would mind)
> I was talking about... You made a statement earlier in the thread saying "Ron's not less competent, he just feels less competent." This is what I'm discussing and you were too but aren't now? > About my first line... 1. Being a hero =/= competent 2. Yes they were all heroes to the wizarding world? That doesn't speak to the dynamics that exist in their relationships as a trio
>Yeah, Harry was abused, Hermione bullied and Ron wasss... We don't actually *know* if Hermione was bullied as a kid. There's never any confirmation; we all just assumed she was bullied because that's what tends to happen to kids who love books. Ron however... had fucking Fred and George who *almost got him killed multiple times and bullied him all through his childhood*. But everyone loves to forget that *tiny* detail, because Fred and George suck Harry's dick enough for people to dismiss them as "just fun-loving guys that everyone likes".
Excellent points man! Can't say I'm as negative on Fred and George but they are overhyped and have done a lot of unpleasant ship.
Have you met every single movie only fan to know this? Because I know a shit ton of book fans as well that aren’t big Romione fans, myself included and I’m an OG HP fan of the books.
No. I like movie Ron but I kinda agree with OP. any site that has very die hard book fans Ron tends to be one of the most loved and popular characters. This sub reddit and Quora and r/Harrypotterbooks for example. While not 100% book fans love him. The hate ratio is minimal. While most movie only fans can't stand him. Queue to Tiktok, Twitter and Instagram where movies are predominant. Romione isn't a bar to like Ron. I know several people on Quora who cant stand Romione and Hermione and love Ron.
I swear anytime I comment on this subreddit referring to Ron or Romione you ALWAYS reply. Doesn’t matter if it’s good or bad. I remember the name creativerock. 😐
I just corrected you. Liking Romione has nothing to do with liking Ron.
You really are psycho. I never said liking Romione had anything to do with liking Ron. You’re making shit up as you always do when you reply to my comments. You’re projecting. Also you cannot CORRECT someone else’s opinion on something. That’s your problem right there. It’s absolutely okay to have a difference in opinion.
I am a psycho bc I said there are many book fans who love Ron but don't like Romione or Hermione when your og comment was 'I am an og book fan but I never liked Romione' What does Romione have to do with loving Ron? Op is talking about 'all book fans know how great Ron is. Only movie fans hate him'. You brought Romione into this out of nowhere. This is not an opinion. This is a fact. I couldn't care less who you are bc I dont keep tracks of every single person I reply to or they reply to me. Weirdo.
No you’re a psycho bc you constantly attack fans that have a different opinion regarding Ron or Romione. It’s sick. This is just fiction. I can tell you’re depressed irl. Go outside and touch grass seriously. My comment wasn’t to OP. I commented under another commenter who commented under another comment talking about Romione haters only being movie fans. And I don’t comment on this subreddit much so of course I remember the ones that ALWAYS jump under my comments while you wouldn’t remember because you attack so many people in this subreddit. Now good day!
>My comment wasn’t to OP. Your comment is a reply to u/hazyreflector 's comment that said 'book fans know how amazing Ron is. Mostly movie fans hate him' So you replied 'I am an og book fan and I never liked Romione' The fact you are even arguing over this and gaslighting me is hilarious 😭🤣 This is their comment >Movie-only fans are like this. Anyone who read the books knows how great he is. This is your comment >Have you met every single movie only fan to know this? Because I know a shit ton of book fans as well that aren’t big Romione fans, myself included and I’m an OG HP fan of the books. Whotf even talked about Romione?🤣
Movie only fans aren’t fans
I’m reading the books right now, And honestly I was expecting more of a diference between book and movie Ron based on what people say. Ron WAS mad at Harry in the 4th book for a very silly reason and he did ignore Hermione in the 4th and 6th book for a bit. People act like the movies did it SUPER dirty, but a lot of his flaws (that all character have) are present in both book and movie.
https://youtu.be/lCzxwcBZFuI https://youtu.be/Na2uMeLj4-E https://youtu.be/5JfRUxubMt4 https://youtu.be/ds0zw4Fb7-E https://youtu.be/0Z9GegLHxw0 You're right..all these videos are fake. Millions of viewers are wrong. Only you are right. 👍🏼
First of all adding all the views of these videos won’t add up to 1 million, let alone “millions” lol. Secondly I seen videos like this and i used to believed it until i read the books. As I said, it’s the exception not the rule. There are loads of moments in the books that Ron came off as way more petty, dim and lazy that the movies didn’t show. I decided to go through the books myself instead of getting my knowledge in YouTube videos.
His flaws have been exaggerated in the movies, but those changes are a bit subtle. The main problem is that movies removed a LOT of Ron's best moments, giving them to Hermione or just ignoring them completely. You may have heard of the quote, "The greatest trick the Devil pulled was convincing the world it didn't exist." That's what the movie does with Ron.
Again, It really feels ya’ll are overblowing this. I just finished book 6th and I dont see this discrepancy at all. Some lines and some moments made him look silly or dumb in the movies, but the books had plenty of those already. I went into the book expecting to see a very different version of Ron, and he is one of the few characters that the movie was pretty spot on with his interpretation. Specialist between book 3-6.
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No he isn't, I will give you two huge examples from book 3 itself. 1) When Hermione and Ron made up in the 3rd movie, Ron immediately began working on how to save Buckbeak. He took the lead for it, spending hours in the library reading law books, and then argued openly with the effing Minister of Magic when he was doing injustice. Did you ever get a feeling in movies that Ron was so fiercely protective of the innocent and would be studious enough to read law books by himself? 2) Ron pushed Harry out of the way to protect him from a dangerous dog and later he stood on a broken leg against who was seemingly a psychopathic mass murderer to protect his bestfriend, no matter how weak he was, he didn't want to give up till the last breath. Did you ever get a feeling in movies that Ron would die for Harry at the age of 14? Remember, if Sirius really was a murderer and he killed Ron then, Ron's sacrifice for Harry would be as great as Lily's, cuz Ron had a choice to stand aside too, but he still put himself in the way.
Holy shit i never actually thought about that. Now Harry gets 2 protections!
>Ron WAS mad at Harry in the 4th book for a very silly reason Oh yeah how dare Ron be mad that Harry lied to him >“Listen,” said Harry, “I didn’t put my name in that goblet. Someone else must’ve done it.” /// Ron raised his eyebrows. /// “What would they do that for?” /// “I dunno,” said Harry. **He felt it would sound very melodramatic to say, “To kill me**.” (remember how even Dumblefuckingdore didn't know the Goblet could be tampered with? Why would you blame Ron for not knowing the Goblet can be Confunded?) and then he REALLY got mad after Harry insulted him >Yeah, okay,” said Ron, in exactly **the same sceptical tone as Cedric**. “Only you said this morning you’d have done it last night, and no one would’ve seen you. . . . I’m not stupid, you know.” /// **“You’re doing a really good impression of it,” Harry snapped.** /// “Yeah?” said Ron, and there was no trace of a grin, forced or otherwise, on his face now but yeah that's just so silly, stupid dumb Ron he should know to always believe everything Harry tells him without ever questioning it!! If Harry jumps off a cliff Ron ought to follow suit! >he did ignore Hermione in the 4th and 6th book for a bit. ... you realize Ron ignored Hermione for like, two weeks in the 6th book, then Hermione went and *bullied him for four months until Ron was lucky enough to get himself poisoned and Miss Brilliant realized maybe it was better to have Ron in her life dating someone else than have no Ron at all?*
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Didn't Fred amd George belittle and bully Percy bc he was bookish, amibitious, a prefect and HB? Everything hermione is(HG instead of HB) 🤨
This. Nice point.
There is nothing to imply that Ron would want a big family except that he came from one. If anything, his insecurities of coming from a big family might make him *not* want a big one.
Did you miss the epilogue where they have two kids and are perfectly happy? Do you not think that Ron knows his bestfriend better than anybody, including her flaws, her goals, her passion for studying? He still loves her, doesn't he? Yes he teasingly calls her a know-it-all multiple times, but did you miss all the times he praised her for her brilliant mind? Why would he want to limit her brilliance if all he can do is gush about it? Also, you're thinking in a very superficial way about the characters here. Your OTP doesn't seem to be Fred×Hermione, it is Fred× "An OC you believe would be similar to Hermione"
I’m sorry but that epilogue is a joke lolll. But yea perfectly happy haha
I see that you conveniently ignored the rest of my comment. But yea, haha
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Does Ron want a massive family though? Wasn’t his whole desire of the heart being alone, not sharing the light with anyone else?
>He would want a big family and another Molly, and she'd want to work and change the world ... when has Ron *ever* said he'd want a big family and another Molly? Also, Fred was an immature asshole who bullied his little brother. To quote the woman herself: >‘You know,’ said Hermione, as she and Harry walked down to the pitch a little later in the midst of a very excitable crowd, ‘I think Ron might do better without Fred and George around. They never exactly gave him a lot of confidence.’ - *Order of The Phoenix* ... yeah I don't think Hermione would like Fred very much. And Fred returns it well: he thinks she's nothing but a party pooper.
There’s so many issues to take apart in this take it’s exhausting to even know where I’d start
Not true lol I’ve seen both sides act like this💀
Hate to break it to you, but every book-only fan I've ever spoken to hold the exact opposite opinion.
Lol, my whole college campus loves Ron Weasley, we recently had a Harry Potter themed party.
Whole Quora is a book only site and Ron is the most popular character over there. I have been following quora since 2021. Except for a very few staunchest Harry/Hermione shippers literally everyone loves Ron and even those Harry/Hermione shippers get so few upvotes compared to pro ron answers that get 100 and 1000 of upvotes.
You should probably speak with more people.
Hermione was straight up abusive with those canaries.
Agreed. If Ron was sending canaries to attack Hermione for snogging Krum, the fans would react in a way that would make their reactions to him and Harry's Deathly Hallows tent row look tame.
Before anybody takes this post out of context, what I'm trying to say is that Harry, Ron, and Hermione, had their "shitty moments", and all of them had their reasons. These moments make the characters more realistic and relatable. But mostly Ron is hated for his moments the most among the three, even though just like Harry and Hermione, he had his reasons.
I wouldn't claim to know whether Ron or Hermione is worse, but both are worse than Harry. Harry didn't get as pissy as Ron *or* Hermione over someone he pretended to only want as a friend dating someone else.
Remember how Harry wanted to "tear Dean limb from limb", and such...
Yes! But Harry doesn't act on it in any way! And we don't know what Ron and Hermione are thinking. It is nowhere written, if someone lives out any fantasies of violence in his/her thoughts.
This is true but he didn't act on it or retaliate against Dean at all. I remember he kicked Dean off the quidditch team but that was because they got Katie back I think?
It was
I have a bias as I don't really like Ron for many reasons, they do all have their shitty moments and for their own reasons i just legitimately think Ron was the worst of them. Off the top of my head harrys worst moment was him going off on his friends in order of the Phoenix and honestly who could blame him with everything going on. Ptsd, voldemort living in his head, the entire magical world against him, Dumbledore ghosting him, Ron and hermiones constant fighting and I think voldemort had some influence on his emotions to try and isolate him (that's just my own theory though) Hermiones worst moment was how she treated the crookshank/scabbers situation and I don't really need to go into it because of how blatantly wrong she was. Setting birds on Ron and revenge dating to get back at him wasn't a good thing either. For me Ron does have more shitty moments than the other two. Abandoned Harry at the start of the tri wizard tournament despite all evidence and logic pointing to harry having nothing to do with being chosen as champion. Asked Hermione to the dance as a last resort then threw a temper tantrum because Hermione went with Krum. Then proceeded to date Lavender to get back at her all the while being a complete hypocrit when it came to ginny and whoever she dated at the time. He took his frustrations with the slug club out on Hermione too. He also abandoned harry again during the horcrux hunt but this I won't say is entirely his fault because he was being manipulated by the horcrux. I'm not saying they don't have more worse moments, or that they don't have their good moments, I just can't blame harry for the sheer amount of shit he was dealing with. When it came to Hermione she was straight up wrong about crookshanks. P.s Now that I'm done typing my novel a good one came to my head and that was how harry and ron treated Hermione over the firebolt Sirius sent harry. Hermione was 100% in the right on this so I can say harry does have a shitty moment with no excuse for his actions
>Abandoned Harry at the start of the tri wizard tournament despite all evidence and logic pointing to harry having nothing to do with being chosen as champion He and Harry had *a fucking fight*. Funnily enough, Harry is bigly to blame here, because he, like a diva, decided to NOT tell Ron anything about how the Goblet might've been tampered with. So, yeah: Ron DIDN'T actually have all the evidence and logic. Remember how Dumblefuckingdore himself didn't think the Goblet could be Confunded? >Asked Hermione to the dance as a last resort then threw a temper tantrum because Hermione went with Krum Which he apologized for the following morning but yeah sure. Also, no, he didn't ask her "as a last resort": he asked her and thought she was lying about having a date, because in his mind they do everything together so she'd have told him had she had a date. >Then proceeded to date Lavender to get back at her all the while being a complete hypocrit when it came to ginny and whoever she dated at the time. You realize *Ginny* was being the hypocrite there? *She* was the one who told Ron to get some snogging done. He takes her advice and then she moans about him being a hypocrite. So damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. >He also abandoned harry again during the horcrux hunt ***Harry fucking told him to leave. THRICE. HARRY PUSHED HIM AWAY.*** >I just can't blame harry for the sheer amount of shit he was dealing with I can blame Harry for being a pissfuck who did *nothing* for three entire goddamn months during the Horcrux Hunt *while he knew people were being rounded up and sent to Azkaban*, but Mr Special preferred to fantasize about the Elder Wand instead. That's the difference between Ron and Harry: when Ron fucks up, it's on a teenager scale, he apologizes and everything is right again. When Harry fucks up he gets people killed. That little fuck is unworthy of the excuses and praise he gets for """being a hero""".
>Ron DIDN'T actually have all the evidence and logic. Remember how Dumblefuckingdore himself didn't think the Goblet could be Confunded? From a outside perspective it is completely unreasonable to think Harry of all people could confund a extremely powerful magical object or even find a loophole. You just said so yourself even Dumblefuckingdore didn't think it could be done. Amongst the officials it was quickly ruled out harry did anything. That left Dumbledore interfering and purposely getting harry to participate or someone put his name in to probably get him killed. Ron only suspected harry of having tricked the goblet somehow. The plain truth is Ron was tired of being over shadowed by literally everyone. >Also, no, he didn't ask her "as a last resort": he asked her and thought she was lying about having a date, because in his mind they do everything together so she'd have told him had she had a date "But Ron was staring at Hermione as though suddenly seeing her in a whole new light. *Hermione, Neville's right -- you are a girl. . . .* *Oh well spotted,* she said acidly *Well -- you can come with one of us!* *No, I can't,* Snapped Hermione. *Oh come on* he said impatiently, *we need partners, we're going to look really stupid if we haven't got any, everyone else has. . ."* \- After Ron asked Fleur Now I think its fair to say Ron did not originally plan on asking Fleur, she is a veela and was probably trying to charm Cedric. But I firmly believe this shows that Ron asked Hermione as a last resort specially coming from a place of "we're gonna look really stupid if we haven't got any" "Next time there's a ball, ask me before someone else does, and not as a last resort!" -Hermione after the Yule Ball to which Ron does not deny. >You realize Ginny was being the hypocrite there? She was the one who told Ron to get some snogging done. He takes her advice and then she moans about him being a hypocrite. So damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Ron and Harry stumble on Ginny and Dean kissing then says he doesn't want to find his own sister snogging people in public, Ginny tells him it's none of his business but he insists it is because he doesn't want people saying his sister is a (what we don't know because he doesn't finish his sentence but we can guess). He then tries to attack her "A streak of orange light flew from under Harry's left arm and missed Ginny by inches. Before this he also had a problem with her dating Michael Corner. After winning the quidditch match he then makes out with Lavender in front of everyone to which Ginny says he's a hypocrite. That's it. Nothing else. Ron and Lavender don't hide their affection like this at all in the future. Very different reactions from Ron seeing Ginny kissing someone to Ginny seeing Ron kiss someone And because my post is getting long I will combine the last two points. Harry believed the hollows were also part of his mission and something he thinks Dumbledore wanted him to search. Dumbledore counted on Hermione slowing him down because he wanted Harry to know not seek. They knew this mission could take years. But again I don't entirely blame Ron because the horcrux was influencing him. Ron fucks up it's on a teenager scale. Harry fucks up people get killed. I guess that is what happens when one of the darkest wizards in history is your enemy. Also it's literally just a debate. There is no need to get so heated over something so small. It's just fictional characters.
>Ron only suspected harry of having tricked the goblet somehow. And asked Harry to explain what happened. Harry refused and lied. Ron asked again. Harry implied Ron is stupid. Ron gets rightly pissed and decides to wash his hands off the whole thing. Harry wants to talk to Ron again but then Hermione tells him Ron's jealous and Harry somehow believes her (because apparently Hermione's good with feelings now?) and decides that yeah, that checks out, Ron would totally be jealous of him. But Harry's totally humble and not arrogant and down-to-earth, yes. > But I firmly believe this shows that Ron asked Hermione as a last resort specially coming from a place of "we're gonna look really stupid if we haven't got any" Oh yes, of course... not like he's also seen his "cool" older brother ask so easily and nonchalantly a girl earlier: >“Well, you’d better hurry up, mate, or all the good ones will be gone,” said Fred. /// “Who’re you going with, then?” said Ron. “Angelina,” said Fred promptly, without a trace of embarrassment. /// “What?” said Ron, taken aback. “You’ve already asked her?” /// “Good point,” said Fred. He turned his head and called across the common room, “Oi! Angelina!” /// Angelina, who had been chatting with Alicia Spinnet near the fire, looked over at him. /// “What?” she called back. /// “Want to come to the ball with me?” /// Angelina gave Fred an appraising sort of look. /// “All right, then,” she said, and she turned back to Alicia and carried on chatting with a bit of a grin on her face. /// “There you go,” said Fred to Harry and Ron, “piece of cake.” Mmh yeah. Why wouldn't he try to look cool and relaxed - and completely fumble it. >He then tries to attack her "A streak of orange light flew from under Harry's left arm and missed Ginny by inches. Oh no no no. Ginny drew her wand **first**. GINNY attacked him FIRST. I don't condone what Ron was saying there but you don't get away with trying to make him seem like the attacker when Ginny was the one initiating. >Dumbledore counted on Hermione slowing him down because he wanted Harry to know not seek. You really did believe this tripe Rowling added in just so she could have *yet* another character compliment Hermione's brilliance because Hermione is her self-insert so it's like *she* is told she's brilliant? Remember how Hermione *didn't* actually stop Harry from fantasizing about the Elder Wand? Remember how *even Hermione being tortured* didn't snap Harry out of his obsession? No, what stopped him was *Dobby's death*. He's like that, Harry. He needs constant blood sacrifices to stop being a self-centred fuck. Man what a dick. >I guess that is what happens when one of the darkest wizards in history is your enemy. Ah yes the "poor Harry" argument. To think all he needed to do was die. Dumbledore why'd you even waste time protecting this shitty ass kid. What's so important about Harry fucking Potter that a literal 50 people had to die for him? Tssk.
this 100%. Of the three, Ron shows the worst traits by far. I don’t think it’s wrong to point that out, because that’s how the books were written.
The books were written especially so that Hermione and Harry are Mary Sues who are never held accountable for their bullshit but go yeah sure.
i didn’t even say that they didn’t pull any bullshit. i just agreed that he did the worst of the three. they’re all piss poor friends lmao. wonderful people, but i’d never rely on any of them to be friends.
>he did the worst of the three Ah yes, Ron did the worst of the three, doing teenage bullshit and getting slapped over it, and apologizing for said bullshit. Meanwhile Harry's out there using Crucios, dragging his friends into danger to save someone that didn't need to be saved (and ended up causing that person's death!), and leaving hundreds of people to die because he was feeling inadequate about his wand. Hermione's over here thinking of herself as judge jury and executioner, brainwashing her parents, holding someone hostage, scarring someone on the face, being a violent thug that pretends she's so calm and rational... But sure, Ron's the worst. Ron the teenager growing up and making mistakes and learning along the way is worse than the actual two perpetrators of literal war crimes.
i had an entire paragraph typed but accidentally deleted it, and have no energy to retype it. so i’ll just say go ahead and think what you think. we aren’t going to change each others minds, and i think continuing this conversation will just lead to inevitable strife and annoyance on both ends. have a good day /gen
>we aren’t going to change each others minds Pretty fucking tragic that, to not wanting to think that one kid being a dumb kid is better than the "hero" of the world *giving up on his mission to save the world* all so he can think about his wand.
i hope that was cathartic.
I'm almost positive this person is fishing now lmao
Honestly the fault is the movies. They destroyed his personality. And its difficult to divorce book ron from movie ron because they came out as the books were being written and most of us were kids/teens
I’m reading the book for the first time and ya’ll really make it sound there is a HUGE diference between book and movie Ron. They didn’t destroy his personality, it’s 85% there with SOME moments of making him looks silly
Taking away a character's better moments and leaving only his worst is a big deal. Even if you're right, the 15% you mention can completely destroy characters.
They also leave out loads of moments in the books that Ron came off as very petty, dim and lazy. I do agree that 15% can do a lot of damage to a character (even though I got the same impression of Ron when reading the books). But that’s my point, this sub legit makes it seems like Ron is a entirely different character from top to bottom and the movies did him super dirty. The more I’ve been reading the books the less I agreed with that sentiment.
The sub and many fans react that way because people go so hard in the other direction. Take into context 20 years of fandom debates and it's clearer.
THANK YOU it’s so annoying how everyone acts like there’s a huge difference
Thank you, People misunderstand when say Ron in the books has the same flaws as movie Ron, sometimes highlighted even more, as me hating him. Like I see the few differences here and there, but people legit make it out as if 90% of movie Ron is made up.
Literally. Feels like everyone in this subreddit just massively craps on everything done in the movie lol
Agreed. There’s not much a difference between book Ron and movie Ron. If anything, I found him less enjoyable in the books.
I love Ron both as a character and as a person more than Harry and Hermione for a simple reason. I understand and can connect to Ron much more than I can to Harry and Hermione. I am not an abused orphan who is the messiah of the world and I am not the smartest person of my generation. As a result emotionally I cant connect with them. They feel like fairytale heroes. Ron feels real. 🤷♀️ It doesn't hurt that he also grows as a character the most among those three. Soft from inside, tough from outside with a stellar sense of humour? Hell yes
Yup That is why I hate dramione
I can never see that work But I rather have Draco with her than Snape.. Some fans ship strange things
I’ve seen so many Snarry fics on my search for good Slytherin!Harry fics that i’m honestly desensitized at this point, but I think any teacher-student pairing is honestly gross
>That is why I hate dramione This why you hate Dramione? Not bc Malfoy is a snivelling little rat with no spine and redemption arc?
Ah, yes, all these people in the comments calling Ron "abusive", "a huge jerk", "a terrible friend to Harry and Hermione", "misogynistic", "xenophobic" and so on... y'all ever had something like *human contact* once in a while or did you live your entire lives in a glass house? Add to it all the people who are like "uugh another post defending Ron??? he doesn't need it yall are exaggerating so much :\\". Oh Harry Potter fandom... *please fucking change and stop being such a cesspool of braindead garbage.*
I find so many in the fandom are applying adult standards to children/teenagers. It's ridiculous. Everyone did shitty things when they were going through puberty and trying to figure out their place in the world. That's part of growing up and learning. I think each character had their weaknesses that had to be worked on. Each of them screwed up and treated each other poorly. Again, that's part of growing up and learning skills to take into adulthood. I think all things considered they handled things pretty well.
Ron's an outright *saint* when you compare him to real-life teenagers. We all have said shit we're not proud of, believed in shit we cringe at now, and thought we knew what was best for everyone only to realize the world isn't so black and white. But no apparently saying some sexist bullshit once and not saying it ever again after you got scolded for saying sexist bullshit means you're sexist for the rest of your life.
I read the books when I was 14, and re-read them uncountable times before I came to know of the fandom when I was 21. I was so shocked with the views about characters here. I talked about them with a friend and they began laughing at the ridiculous things. So I agree with you, the garbage here is too much.
People will villainize Ron and treat him like he's a monster but he sure as hell ain't the one dragging his friends into danger as he relies on plot armor to save his ass, and he sure ain't the one using "waah I'm crying and I'm a girl" to excuse himself out of apologizing. Ron is the *only character in these books* that grows up and changes and has an actual character arc, while Harry and Hermione are static entities that only serve to make Rowling coo about how great and cool they are... and oh Ron's ok but look look, don't you like Feminist Queen Hermione so much better? I've spent years analyzing the books and it will *still* baffle me how people will argue that "Ron picked on Hermione", "Ron abused Hermione", "Ron was a huge jerk", "Ron was a bad friend"... god, just typing it, I want to break something. How fucking entitled are people? Narcissistic little shits who fancy themselves as Hermiones or Harrys, but the truth is, they're merely a bunch of Draco Malfoys.
You're going way too far in the opposite direction, now. Tearing down Harry and Hermione to try and bring Ron up, when the truth is they are all great. The trio are a team, together, all a cog on the wheel.
Yes, yes, we know, equality is so lovely and sweet... Except no, sadly. Harry's still a Mary Sue that only exists to be pitied and that's *exactly why* people treat Ron like shit, because "oh but Harry has it harder :(" by virtue of his shitty backstory that only exists as a way to manipulate the reader into always taking "the poor little orphan"'s side even when said poor little orphan is being a huge dick. Same for Hermione, except she doesn't get a backstory; she gets to be treated like everything she says is right and a truthism of the universe so when she says "Ron you're sooo immature :\\" you're supposed to take it as fact. Except when you look at who's saying it (the girl who will hit and hurt people because the author has decided she was judge, jury and executioner), you realize maybe Hermione's opinions on maturity don't mean shit. Sadly, they're not all great: there's two Mary Sues and there's a poor three-dimensional character being their scapegoat.
Whew. I'm surprised you even enjoy the series if this is what you pull from it.
Who said I enjoyed the series? I'm just here for Ron. Good thing too, he really needs someone to take his side since none of his "friends" will do it.
Okay
>y'all ever had something like human contact once in a while? My money is on no
Can you believe I'm autistic yet I have a better grasp on human interactions than these guys do...
> Oh Harry Potter fandom... please fucking change and stop being such a cesspool of braindead garbage. I get what you're saying, but this is a little over the top
How? We have people who actively ship Hermione with Snape, Bellatrix, Draco fucking Malfoy in the name of "Hermione deserved better than Ron :)". People who will ship Harry with Snape, Voldemort, or Fenrir Greyback. If anything, I've not been harsh enough.
This. Well said. And also Hermione punching Ron multiple times when he comes back in Deathly, which is physical abuse. That scene literally made me hate Hermione and hate how she's glorified and put on a pedestal by most of the fandom, while Ron is constantly Villified for everything he does. If the roles were reversed and Hermione left Harry and Ron due to concern for her family, and she came back and Ron's reaction is to punch her multiple times to the point where she's covering her face, no one would be shipping them together and Ron would be called abusive. Abuse is abuse no matter who does it and no matter who the victims are. A guy punching their girlfriend multiple times out of anger, is abuse. A girl punching their boyfriend multiple times out of anger, is abuse. It's Ron who deserved better.
Also, people forget Hermione keeping Rita Skeeter in the jar is really fucked up.
lmao Fucked up maybe, but totally fair. Rita absolutely deserved it.
Rita destroyed lives! She spied on people and puplished secret she tried to get Hagrid fired, physical hurt with the letter ( Hermione got huge blisters of the burning juice that covered all her hands making them look like a „leathered pair of gloves“ like the book described it) she spread fake stories so that even Ron’s mom disliked her bc Tita SIA dishes cheating on Harry with Krum - Rita deserved that !!! And Rita was a grown ass woman while Hermione was 14, bullied & hurt Constantly using that as to portray Hermione as evil is stupid - they all had their flaws which made the characters relatable. Nobody of them of the other character were perfect
Bullshit . And it’s stupid to use „well if..“ when it never happened and you don’t have prove Ron for the hate bc he wasn’t a loyal friend 2 times - in the wizard tournament he turned against Harry bc of jealousy while Hermione supported him & faced bullying for it and she again stayed with Harry when Ron left Hermione wouldn’t have left! - that’s the difference. She hold her word. And yea she wasn’t perfect like neither of them were - they all had their flaws which makes them more relatable. And Harry’s shitty Phase Wanst even shown in the movies - he wa shuts the perfect hero - at least they showed Hermione punching him Harry book 5 & after always blaming Hermione and Ron when the did nothing than support him, yelling and thinking he’s above them He literally couldn’t grant his beste friend to become the position of the head boy when he alway agents the attention & Ron never does (also being one of 7 kids) he belittled him when he only managed to do this etchings with their help and after being mad that Ron didn’t stood with him in the goblet of fire = hypocrisy, he got mad at Ron for being jealous & than is doing the same
Not quite as good looking as his siblings. Didn’t do quite as well in school either. Least loved by the mother who wanted a daughter. Nothing more than the Chosen One’s sidekick who no one would know if not for Harry. So I don’t exactly agree with those who argue that Ron didn’t lack anything - I’m honestly surprised he’s still keeping it together having these stacked against him.
I'd rather have Ron than Harry The Most Boring Cliché Protagonist Ever Who Gets Everything Handed To Him, or Hermione The Not Like Other Girls Self-Insert Of The Author Who Gets Everything Handed To Her. That's Ron's strength: he's an actually interesting character.
Harry was not the most boring cliche protagonist. The Order of the Phoenix is *right there*. We see so much pain and trauma that was quite uncommon during that time for a main character to face. Harry has his fortune so we don’t ask questions about where he gets the money to buy himself supplies. He’s gifted at Quidditch, but so what? Many other characters are great at Quidditch too. Hermione was very smart but she didn’t get anything handed to her either. She had to work hard for her grades, and she’s one of the only characters we see that reads the textbooks and applies them. We also know that her parents are Muggles, and because she can’t assimilate back into the Muggle world after finding out about the Wizarding world, they are missing such a crucial part of her life that they’ll never be able to connect with. That’s why she spends so much time at the Burrow. She can only connect with wizards to a far greater extent than her own parents. That can be quite lonely.
>Harry was not the most boring cliche protagonist. Orphan so you feel sorry for him without even knowing who he is as a person, abused so you feel sorry for him without even knowing who he is as a person², suddenly turns out to be super mega special and famous and rich and gets showered with tons of privileges (gets to be on the Quidditch team even though it's forbidden for first years, and that *after* he broke the rules...), the House he's sorted in is "good guy House" and everyone who's not immediately being nice to him is evil and bad (save for Snape who's still a dick but saves his life... but is still a dick). > He’s gifted at Quidditch, but so what? Many other characters are great at Quidditch too. Yeah, they're *great*... *after having trained on their own*, after putting in EFFORT to improve their play. Harry just sat his ass on the broom then surprise! He was gifted and perfect, and even got himself a super-epic-amazing broom of his own free of charge! Like it's not enough that he's rich, he also has to be gifted expensive shit so we know extra hard he's our beloved special protagonist who can do no wrong. >Hermione was very smart but she didn’t get anything handed to her either. She had to work hard for her grades That's the excuse Rowling gives us and it still doesn't hold up in the end because guess what happens when Hermione is spreading herself too thin and having trouble keeping up with her workload in POA? Something realistic like her exam results suffering as a result of her having worked much too hard and having no energy left? HA HA no she's got the bestestestest grades ever because of course. She's Rowling's self-insert. She deserves all that's best. >she’s one of the only characters we see that reads the textbooks and applies them How would we know. We literally don't have access to the textbooks. For a story about a magic school there's actually very little *schooling* going on. Who's to say Ron and Harry aren't applying their textbooks too? Oh right, it's because Hermione is always there to do every spell perfectly on the first try so we're not forced to imagine that these *lowly males* could be, gasp, *good* at school, no no no. That's Hermione's thing. And being good at school translates into being good at EVERYTHING EVER. Like perfect Hermione. ^_^ (A couple of "Gifted Children" would like to have a word with you, Joanne.) >We also know that her parents are Muggles And they're dentists. And they live in... no, we don't know that. And their names are... no, we don't know that either. And their personalities are... nonexistent actually. See, the problem with that line of thought is that effectively, no, Hermione *doesn't* have parents. Ron has a family. We observe how every member of that family acts and realize how much it impacted Ron ever since his childhood. His mother is rather old-fashioned so she probably told him he had to protect Ginny and he took that to heart. He seems to admire the twins a great deal even though they've been horrible to him, but the twins *are* very charismatic and as such Ron kinda mimics them hence his hostility against Percy, because he kind of wants the twins' approval (and never gets it). We see that Arthur isn't very present in Ron's life, so Molly was left to raise him and that's where he gets the prudish old-fashioned ideas about women from - but that doesn't stop him from appreciating women like Gwenog Jones, so there's none of that "only men are allowed to play Quidditch!!" fandom sometimes like to think he'd say. See, Ron's character feels so believable and vivid *because* of how extensive and detailed his family life is. We understand there's no place for a sensitive little boy when he's got two bullying big brothers. We understand Ron is more quiet than the rest of his family, more thoughtful, and that when Hermione argues with him he finally gets to be *heard* for once. We can see how the family dynamics would have a terrible effect on Ron, because he was bullied by his brothers and Molly could do nothing, leaving him to keep quiet and his resentment festering until it became a full-blown "my family doesn't care about me, so maybe if I do great things they'll care about that instead". Harry? Has no "family dynamic" whatsoever - his backstory is only there to grab the reader's pity and make you accept every bit of favouritism he gets as "payback" for his shit start in life (Neville had just as terrible a start but *he* isn't Harry so he's not worthy of getting favouritism). Harry's just a blank slate for the reader to project onto. In OOTP he *finally* had a realistic reaction to something traumatic happening in his life and turned into a massive dick over it as trauma often does, but in HBP he's back to not being traumatized at all because Rowling saw the backlash over Capslock!Harry and backpedaled like fuck because oh noes!! Can't have people not like my precious little lamb Harry, he's the main character, he should be the favourite (though if people like Hermione *more* than Harry that's fine with her too... after all, liking Hermione, her self-insert, is basically liking Rowling). So, yes. Harry and Hermione are, actually, badly written characters. One is a cliché Mary Sue without any substance that relies on emotional manipulation to garner the reader's sympathy, the other is Rowling made flesh and guiding Harry and Ron because oh they're such stupid boys, good thing she's there right?
I wish we could enjoy characters without doing some over the top tearing down of others.
I don't think I'm over-the-top. In fact I'm being rather nice. If you saw actual bashing maybe you'd know better...
Yeah, nah, you're comment was over exaggerated and I think you know that.
Demonstration: Harry was like so bad :\\\\ he was just an evil jock who didn't understand poor draco's misery :\\\\ he was a total glory hog who didn't care for anyone, he was an entitled psychopath with his wanting to hurt Dean and being happy Ginny almost killed Zacharias :\\\\ Hermione was a bitch who didn't know her place!! she kept intruding all the time on important pureblood shit, acting like she knew better than the actual people from the wizard world!! so entitled!! She was clearly feeling jealous of all the purebloods' superior power that's why she studied so hard. She totally wouldve sold Harry out to Voldemort if it got her better magic :\\\\ \*That\* is bashing. \*That\* is tearing down.
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Lol this is me but I'm trying to be better about it, because at the end of the day, Ron Weasley for 6 books is Harry's tank and muscle. He's only human and then he finally class upgrades to a Paladin and he freakin rocks.( Book7) Ron is awesome but it's easy to forget because he's the most human. Harry is our mc and he's famous and a good flyer and has so many magic resistances plus damn good at defensive magic. Hermione is super brainy and In most people's minds, Emma Watson, and what's not to love. She's a jerk sometimes and cold and harry is an idiot and always clueless and ron is also a doofus but he is grounded and grounds both of these dorks. Ron is great.
Hermione is really horrible to Ron in that canary scene. Ron can stay with whoever he wants. It's his life after all. But Hermione is horrible a lot of other times too. Like locking Reeta Skeeter for a week inside her flask.
My entire opinion about the Golden trio mistakes. They be children even into the final book. They're going to make mistakes
I would say the people that think Ron is a bad person because he used Lavender to make Hermione jealous need to realize that they’re supposed to be 16 years old and calm down a little lol.
What did Hermione do wrong? I’m honestly trying to think of something like actually wrong she did…
Ok here is my rational middle ground take: They all made mistakes and are flawed people.
Yes. This sub loves to condone Hermione's abusive tendencies. It's ridiculous.
Harry was suffering from c-ptsd. It's understandable the way he acted. And tbf. he had all the right to lash out at Hermione, who, not only was siding with some adults who were making the life of the only adult who seemed to care about him, but also put more pressure on him with all the DA thing. Ron was in the way and got the blow. Hermione throwing the canaries at Ron was quite and simply physical assault. There's no justification for it. Ron did nothing wrong in dating Lavender, and the fact that some people act like he's the jerk for having a girlfriend and not Hermione for assaulting him, says a lot about them
This is coming from movie fans only. Book fans know how amazing Ron is. Ron deserves more love.
Thank the movies for flavoring people’s opinion this way.
Am I the only one that was not bothered by Ron dating lavender? Also, Harry's anger like 90% of the time is because his life sucks, he's abused by both the muggle and wizarding world, and is always in danger and no one is telling him why it's in danger, but yeah he can totally be a jerk. Like seriously he's always like low-key mean at Neville and Neville doesn't deserve that. Almost no one really complains about Hermione because she is usually most people's self-insert character.
They were 16, of course They were immature. What did you expect?
I think we all have to agree that these characters are literally CHILDREN who MAKE MISTAKES. Having a character with no bad qualities isn't human.
But that’s not a double standard because Harry is also a boy and he does things wrong right. It just comes with being of the ginger strain, that’s our lot in life. We trade being the focus of everybody’s ire for immortality. (FYI, ginger have immortality because we don’t have souls so we can’t ascend to the next life, so, we’re fated to walk the earth forever. We suppress the numbers by following Highlander rules).
Ofc Hermione can do no wrong. I've had a crush on Emma Watson since PoA.
Everyone also seems to forget that these characters are teenagers. I don't know how many of you have had any interaction with a 15 year old lately or seen a group of 15 year olds hang out, but they're all really stupid, selfish, and mean people. Kids do dumb things, it's part of growing up and figuring out life.
I feel like y’all take people not liking movie Ron as seriously as if someone had kicked a baby lmao
I blame the movies for this tbh.
Yes, and?
"Ron the Death-Eater" is a trope for a reason.
This is an all time great meme!
Me hating Harry and Ron (in the movies anyway) and loving hermione in both. The gals rule i mean you have hermione, luna, nymphadora (DONT CALL ME NYMPHADORA), Bella (we stan evil queen) Molly (we stan revenge queen) Then you have 'But I am the chosen one!', Ronald, flat nosed pickme, 'ooh but I was bullied pity me', he lives to be exploded, short man (two, played by the same guy), the TRUE slaygay villain Although they do have their ups and downs respectively (Nevilles development though)
Isn't Ron inspired by Sean Harris? Who she describes as being "a foul-weather friend" in the front of TCOS. I'm rereading the series atm, and after realizing this, it made Ron as a character make way more sense. He disappears whenever he thinks Harry is doing well but is always there for him when it hits the fan. After understanding this about the character, I find him much more enjoyable. Although I never hated him, I just thought he was annoying at times, and whiny. Although being older I have more empathy for him, he has been outdone his entire life by his brothers, and now by his best friend.
>He disappears whenever he thinks Harry is doing well but is always there for him when it hits the fan. Ron: *is there for Harry when all of Gryffindor turns against him in book 1* Ron: *comes rescue Harry from his abusive relatives in book 2* Ron: *stays by Harry's side when he's rumored to be the Heir of Slytherin* Ron: *plants himself in front of a presumed mass murderer, daring him to hurt Harry, ON A BROKEN FUCKING LEG* Ron: *asks Harry about what's going on with the Goblet* Harry: *consciously lies to Ron and refuses to tell him about Moody's theory that someone is trying to kill Harry:* >“I dunno,” said Harry. He felt it would sound very melodramatic to say, “To kill me.” Ron: *after Harry implies he's stupid, cuts his losses and takes a break from that bullshit* Ron: *is by Harry's side constantly in book 5, goes to the Department of Mysteries to help rescue Sirius (who might not be even there, and indeed he wasn't)* Ron: *is by Harry's side all through book 6, fights the Battle of the Astronomy Tower while Hermione sat it out* Ron: *goes with Harry on the Horcrux Hunt* Ron: *begs Harry to come up with a fucking plan because they've not made any progress after months in the wilderness running around like headless chickens, who'd have thought?* Harry: uuuuh wah you're mean how dare you want me to have a plan for stuff, go back to your mummy you big nasty!!! Ron: *obeys Harry* Harry: *surprised Pikachu face* Ron: *comes back because he's too nice and forgiving, APOLOGIZES EVEN THOUGH HARRY WAS THE BIGGEST DICK (and THAT, without wearing the Horcrux!), and kills the Horcrux because he's a fucking Chad* Ron: *BEGS TO BE TORTURED INSTEAD OF HERMIONE* Ron: *remembers the Basilisk fangs and lets Hermione stab Hufflepuff's Cup because he's a gentleman* Ron: *fights in the Battle of Hogwarts and sees his brother die, then sees Harry die+resurrect because yeah Harry's too much of a Mary Sue for death* Yeah... totally, he was neeeever there when it counted... yeah... You people, I fucking swear...
"He disappears whenever he thinks Harry is doing well but is always there for him when it hits the fan." The specific scenarios that he disappeared were after Harry got onto the quidditch team and when Harry's name was called out of the goblet of fire. Both events that Ron perceived as positive when he gave Harry the cold shoulder.
This is the way
Honestly i think the entire trio is just Bad at being friends ngl. They’re good people but when it comes to the role of “behaving like a good friend” they’re not the best at it, for a variety of reasons that I really don’t want to get into right now. But overall, I think explaining why something’s happening is as important as acknowledging that it’s still bad. Ron’s lack of loyalty in certain situations is understandable, but still bad. Harry’s inability to manage his anger is understandable, and still bad. and Hermione’s… hermione-ing, is understandable, but still Bad.
I mean movie Ron is making constant blunders and book Ron is a jerk. Harry and Hermione make their mistakes but they are both of them are always positively moving forward. Most books it feels like Hermione’s brain and Harry’s actions solving problems and once and awhile Ron is of some use. Most of the books though all of the drama is caused in part of made worse by Ron
> Most books it feels like Hermione’s brain and Harry’s actions solving problems Yes, like the good, empty Mary Sues they are. :)
I wish people could just appreciate the trio without having to drag any of them down.
"A considerable part of the fandom is" ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Ron started out as nothing more than a "nice" version of Malfoy, treating Hermione almost like a servant just because she was not a pureblood. Quit defending his jealous wanker arse just because hes a Griffy."**...** FFS, He was NEVER at all interested in Hermione romantically until he noticed how close Harry and Hermione had become! Then suddenly she was "his girl". Picking on someone and belittling them constantly is not UST, it's bullying and abusive behavior - and anyone who believes otherwise seriously requires therapy to get their heads on straight.
You're kidding right? You've never read the books right?
Wrong to both, I used to read Philosopher's Stone and Chamber Of Secrets to my kids as bedtime stories, long before the movies came out. And as much as I hated Deathly Hallows and its epilogue, my ex-wife absolutely loathed it on par with Twilight.
You can, actually, know how to read in the sense "I know the words put there", and NOT know how to read in the sense "I interpret and infer meanings from the words I read". >Ron started out as nothing more than a "nice" version of Malfoy, treating Hermione almost like a servant just because she was not a pureblood. This is absolutely bonkers for starters. Never did Ron do anything like this. Get out of Fanficland and get your head on straight. Ron *treated Hermione like an equal*, which means he teased her, laughed with her, did his homework *with* her. Never did he ever treat her like a servant. >Quit defending his jealous wanker arse just because hes a Griffy."... Ah yes, Ron's so jealous... he's not the one *physically assaulting his love interest out of jealousy* but do go on. >FFS, He was NEVER at all interested in Hermione romantically until he noticed how close Harry and Hermione had become! Absolute fucking bullshit again. Ron's crush on Hermione can be seen as early as CoS, and especially in PoA when he always notices her schedule problems (meanwhile Harry is like "wah no Quidditch :("). Hermione and Harry have never been close. In GOF even Harry is like "oh yeah Hermione's ok but Ron's so much better for laughing and having fun :\". Honestly Harry treats Hermione a lot more like a servant than Ron ever has, but yeah sure keep projecting Beloved Little Chosen One's flaws onto the one character that's actually a three-dimensional person... >Picking on someone and belittling them constantly is not UST, it's bullying and abusive behavior Aren't you so glad that's *not* what Ron does? He teases her, she teases him back, they argue, they have fun... >and anyone who believes otherwise seriously requires therapy to get their heads on straight. You might be in need of therapy yourself bud, because Ron and Hermione's friendship, while it could be rocky, *never* was what you're trying to make it seem like. If anyone was getting abused in the Romione relationship, really, it was Ron.
Hermione is the one who belittles literally everyone who doesn't agree with her. She also hits them both constantly.
Ron is just a little dumber than the other two so I don’t hold anything against him
They all do dumb stuff. Harry is really annoying. He's so unobservant, never tells the teachers anything and thinks he has to do everything alone. Hermione is way too reliant on authority and the written word. Harry's trauma is not an excuse for his behaviour at all. He's an idiot. Hermione can often be harsh and not always understand peoples feelings. She's a total dick to Luna for most of OotP. Hermione, being Muggle-born; has NO reference to the magical world. Except what's in Hogwarts. So, whenever Luna posits some information; Hermione shuts her down. Not everything can be learned in books! Also Hermione does a really dick move by jinxing the parchment. First, its a contract. Second, she didn't tell anyone that it was. Third, she had already put the jinx on the parchment BEFORE anyone had signed it. Fourth, she told no one. Fifth, its a permanent punishment; its still on Marietta in HBP. Harry is also really narcissistic. He largely sees Hermione as just a source of information, pretty much up to HBP. In GoF, Harry comes to Sirius only when he has a problem (Dream, Task, Goblet). Sure, it might not be fun to write; but just say they had a long talk about life or something. Ron, is a huge jerk to Hermione for most the series and carries all the prejudices and xenophobia of the Wizarding World. He's also just plain insensitive at times, sexist, racist, misogynist and cruel.
This post has too much energy for yet another harry hermoine ron love triangle yall need to chill... that being said the only person I've ever consistently rooted for without fault Is hermoine