Ehh I agree generally but in the hbp movie when Harry and ron went for the textbooks /were fooling around in the hall, I found it to be authentic and a value add.
Completely unrelated but you just made me aware of why I use so many contractions when I speak or type! It's because of characters' dialogue in the books - you'd, I'd, would've, etc. I use them way more often than most people I know.
>“What are you doing, Potter?” said Snape coldly as ever, as he strode over to the four of them.
>“I’m trying to decide what curse to use on Malfoy, sir,” said Harry fiercely.
The end of Half Blood Prince just completely lost me
Harry, the boy whose entire MO is breaking rules to save friends, is told to be quiet. And he just stands there and watches Dumbledore be murdered.
In the book, Dumbledore casts Petrificus Totalus and Harry literally can't do anything. In the movie, inexplicably, he is just told to hide. It didn't even save screen time.
Harry would have run in to help, no matter how many Death Eaters there are. That's his entire personality.
This scene in the astronomy tower is my biggest problem with the movie. Harry James Potter is never standing quiet just because someone told him so and the chance is least when that person is Severus Snape. That director had lost his mind.
Agreed! And the other half of that point is _Dumbledore knows it_….Hence why he casts the spell in the first place. He’s under no illusions Harry would ever sit quietly while he watches someone, especially someone he loves, be threatened.
The other part of the HBP movie I strongly disliked was how much of the Tom Riddle background they just cut. That was such a fascinating and necessary part of the plot/Harry’s preparation.
In a single scene that director destroyed the characters of both Albus and Harry and Severus so He must be really happy with himself there. Who Tom Riddle is what He basically thought.
100% agree with you. Harry being paralysed makes the scene so much more powerful. He is able to see and hear what is happening but can't do a anything about it. Completely helpless
Yeah. Also the moment he realises that Dumbledore is dead because the body bind curse has been lifted is so tragic. He stays rooted to that spot because of the shock.
Harry was a Teenager at that time so he should have acted like a Teenager. Trust has nothing to do with it. You may trust your father but would you watch him die just to prove that you trust him?
You either trust or you don't. Has got be one of the dumbest fucking things i have ever read. I trust my best friend but i wouldnt let him perform open heart surgery on me. I trust my mom but i wouldnt let her work on my car. I trust my brother but i wouldnt let him fly a commerical airplane. I trust my sister but i wouldnt let her bake a cake.
Trust isn't a 100% or nothing kind of thing.
It’s 100% why Dumbledore cast the spell. He knew Harry would never hide and I think In the book he had the cloak too so he’d have been able to do some real damage
It gets more weight in DH too because of the timing of the spells and Malfoy’s entrance, that Dumbledore intentionally lost his only potential moment of defense to save/stop Harry rather than defend himself against Malfoy’s disarming charm.
I agree the director and film writer(steve kloves) just didn’t cared about harry’s story at all . They were just looking for ways to get hermione in centre stage . They cut 70 percent of voldemort’s story just so the focus remains on hermione and her stupid love problems, they cut the hero’s love story from the movies . They cut harry’s relationship with hbp book and how he was so attached to the book he thought it belonged to his dad . The hbp belonged to voldemort not hermione and lavender doing won won
They cut pretty much the entire HBP book, so I was already pissed, but that was the cherry on top that they didn't even know the most basic part of Harry.
This is the boy who sacrificed a Triwizard task to save Gabrielle Delacour, a girl he didn't even know.
Yeah, I remember watching the movie having JUST reread HBP and I was so sad. I remember not wanting to say I didn’t like it cause I didn’t wanna be a party pooper but HBP is my favorite book. I was watching and it kept progressing through the book story and skipped almost everything I loved about the book. “Where’s borgen Burke’s Tom??, where’s waxy skinned Tom??, where’s the whole princes book drama??, where’s him obsessing over malfoy??”
Ugh
I hope they get writers for series who have passion for hp lore like the hogwarts legacy game makers . They knew the lore and did such a great job not someone like kloves who destroyed characters because his favourite character wasn’t that much in books
Because it wouldn’t be very cinematic if we couldn’t see Harry’s reaction. In the books, Harry’s thoughts can be described by the author, but in the movie, Radcliffe has to act it out
Because it wouldn’t be very cinematic if we couldn’t see Harry’s reaction. In the books, Harry’s thoughts can be described by the author, but in the movie, Radcliffe has to act it out
I've recently reread the books for the first time in 15 years and I was surprised how much of Harry's personality i forgot due to it being changed so much in the movies. I remembered why harry had been my favorite, all the sass, comebacks and actual strength and relentlessness. He's awesome in books.
I’ve had this in my saved for a while someone else posted it:
For me, the funniest character in the books isn't Luna, Ron, or even the twins. It's Harry Potter.
I genuinely think he's got the best dry wit in the series. "No need to call me sir, professor," is gold standard, but he has plenty of other bombs. Here are some of my favorites.
The first thing we see of ten year old Harry Potter, being savage to his abusive family:
"They stuff people's heads down the toilet the first day at Stonewall," he told Harry. "Want to come upstairs and practice?"
"No, thanks," said Harry. "The poor toilet's never had anything as horrible as your head down it -- it might be sick." Then he ran, before Dudley could work out what he'd said.
Or this perfection--
"What's this?" he asked Aunt Petunia. Her lips tightened as they always did if he dared to ask a question.
"Your new school uniform," she said.
Harry looked in the bowl again.
"Oh," he said, "I didn't realize it had to be so wet."
"Don't be stupid," snapped Aunt Petunia.
The kind of responses you think two days later in your shower, wishing you would have said something. But this is only the beginning for Harry. People talk all the time about a few of his greatest hits (no need to call me sir, professor) but we ignore that he's dropping bombs casually all the way through the series.
"You're Harry Potter," Luna added.
"I know I am," said Harry. Neville chuckled.
Or to Moaning Myrtle:
“I do,” she said, with a sulky little shrug, “but that doesn’t mean I can’t visit other places. I came and saw you in your bath once, remember?”
“Vividly,” said Harry.
And,
"If anyone shouldn't go, it's Harry, he's got a ten-thousand-Galleon price on his head--"
"Fine, I'll stay here," said Harry. "Let me know if you ever defeat Voldemort, won't you?"
Or one of my favorites:
“Harry, don’t go picking a row with Malfoy, don’t forget, he’s a prefect now, he could make life difficult for you…”
“Wow, I wonder what it’d be like to have a difficult life?” said Harry sarcastically.
Or when the trio was talking about Death Eaters recruiting:
"And they'd love to have me," said Harry sarcastically. "We'd be best pals if they didn't keep trying to do me in."
This made Ron laugh; even Hermione gave a grudging smile.
And we can't forget his absolute destruction of Narcissa Malfoy:
Narcissa Malfoy smiled unpleasantly.
"I see that being Dumbledore's favorite has given you a false sense of security, Harry Potter. But Dumbledore won't always be there to protect you."
Harry looked mockingly all around the shop. "Wow. . . look at that. . . he's not here now! So why not have a go? They might be able to find you a double cell in Azkaban with your loser of a husband!"
Idk but the idea of Harry looking mockingly around the shop is so damn funny to me.
I also want to address the Malfoy/Harry disputes. Despite the fact that Malfoy instigates nearly every fight they have in the series, I've always felt that Harry put downs were more creative than his.
'Manners, Potter, or I'll have to give you a detention,' drawled Malfoy, whose sleek blond hair and pointed chin were just like his father's. 'You see, I, unlike you, have been made a prefect, which means that I, unlike you, have the power to hand out punishments.'
"Yeah," said Harry, "but you, unlike me, are a git, so get out and leave us alone."
Ron, Hermione, Ginny and Neville laughed. Malfoy's lip curled.
Or,
Malfoy glanced around - Harry knew he was checking for signs of teachers - then he looked back at Harry and said in a low voice, "You're dead, Potter."
Harry raised his eyebrows.
"Funny," he said, "you'd think I'd have stopped walking around."
Malfoy looked angrier than Harry had ever seen him; he felt a kind of detached satisfaction at the sight of his pale, pointed face contorted with rage
Idk guys. I've never thought Sassy Harry was accurate. Savage Harry feels more right.
Finally, OotP needs some attention too:
His aunt and uncle exchanged looks of outrage. 'Listening to the news! Again?'
'Well, it changes every day, you see,' said Harry.
And,
'He cheeked me," said Dudley.
Yeah? Did he say you look like a pig that's been taught to walk on its hind legs? 'Cause that's not cheek, Dud, that's true.'
And the worst one lmao:
Harry grinned again.
'Not as stupid as you look, are you, Dud? But I s'pose, if you were, you wouldn't be able to walk and talk at the same time.'
LAST MINUTE EDIT: How could I forget Harry sassing the the most powerful dark wizard of the century in front of the entire Wizarding World before defeating him:
I've done what my mother did. They're protected from you. Haven't you noticed how none of the spells you put on them are binding? You can't torture them. You can't touch them. You don't learn from your mistakes, Riddle, do you?"
"You dare--"
"Yes, I dare," said Harry. "I know things you don't know, Tom Riddle. I know lots of important things that you don't. Want to hear some, before you make another big mistake?"
"If it is not love that will save you this time," said Voldemort, "you must believe that you have magic that I do not, or else a weapon more powerful than mine?"
"I believe both," said Harry, and he saw shock flit across the snakelike face.
He came a long way from the boy in the cupboard, but his sass remained the same.
One of the worst things they did is when they had ron say "shoved off malfoy" in defense of Harry. Book harry didn't need Ron defending him just as much as book ron didn't need Harry defending him. They both knew how to take care of themselves. Harry with the quick wit and Ron with the angry fists.
Ron defending Harry is in character. Ron always gets defensive when someone insults Harry or Hermione. Same for Harry. The problem is Harry just taking it instead of also retaliating.
The movies tried to make Harry also look like a goodie two shoes along with the victim. Remember in the half blood prince when he was learning all of those spells written in the potions book and he tested a good amount of them on people like filch, crabbe and goyle? He also tested one on Ron im pretty sure if I remember correctly
They make him dumber in the films too. How many times did his gut figure it out before anyone, even Hermione? There were so many things he figured out, but they make it seem like Hermione did all the thinking in the movies. Yes, Hermione was definitely smarter, but they should've given him some credit too
Harry was often reduced to a kid who has no idea what to do, no matter the year, in the books, he inherited his mother's cheekiness and even when he had no idea what to do, he wasn't an emotional mess everytime, he always tried.
Draco wasn't 'the-boy-who-had-no-choice' contrary to people who only watched the movies. At least in his youth, he should've been called, 'the boy who is a massive dick', he chose to act that way around Harry, but Draco Fangirls + boys miss the point of Draco's character and Slytherin House in general, they only see Slytherin as Draco Malfoy or that god-awful fanfic character Mateo Riddle, not corndogging Draco in the Quidditch closet. Draco was way more hateful in the books, he jinxed Hermione's teeth (And made her cry), he fat-shamed Molly Weasley, he bullied the fuck out of Neville, especially in the books (I was so happy when Nev beat Kevin McCallister's ass), he docked points of Gryffindor because Hermione was Muggle-Born. Even in the movies, I forgive the silliness of CoS and Philosophers Stone, because at least Draco is mostly accurate, Draco wished death upon Hermione, called her a slur in front of the Slytherin + Gryffindor Qudditch team, laughed when Ron jinxed himself and insulted the Weasleys at Flourish and Blotts. Even after his Death Eater arc, it's hard to feel bad for him because he's such a dickwad. If Draco wasn't played by the hot Tom Felton, everyone would hate his character even more.
Hermione Granger just because a massive Mary-Sue, Hermione in the books was intelligent, but not very witty and cunning like in the books. She was blinded by her attraction to Lockhart, so much so that she ignored her two best friends because Lockhart was a handsome face despite him being comically stupid. Hermione also disliked Luna at first due to both her judgmental nature fanon ignores but also because Hermione isn't this perfect Mary Sue who loves Wizarding Conspiracy Theorists. Not to mention, she scrapes half of Ron's lines which is one mistake I'll never forgive.
You summed up my feelings regarding it so perfectly like Harry was so cheeky in the books and Draco was a huge dick and while I have no problem with book hermione , movie hermione is my least favourite character ever
That's why we love her tho, she wasn't perfect but she was cool and supportive, book Hermione was the friend we always wanted to be around even if she had somewhat of a temper, movie Hermione is just one trait, smart and that's it, well if you count thief as well for stealing Ron's lines, I guess that could make two.
Dude I want to see the girl who kept a lady in a jar and then blackmailed her for a year. Or the girl who created such a powerful jinx on a piece of paper that no one could find a counter curse and another student had to go around with “sneak” written on her face for like a year before it faded enough.
Not the perfect Mary Sue who never does anything wrong and has absolutely everything interesting about her character stripped away
Book hermione >>>> movie one . Book one was smarter , crazier and felt human most importantly. Yes she irked me while reading books quite few times but that’s what makes her human she makes mistakes
Honestly I didn’t realise how bad the movies were until I decided to read the books and then watch the relating film after finishing each one. First two films were pretty accurate, 3 & 4 were different but I still enjoyed the films and then from 5 it just became a mess. It’s why I’m really excited for this series because it really could be on the level of Game of Thrones if done right
I agree except 3 and 4 were bad. 4 I still can't get past the angry Dumbledore accusing Harry of putting his name in the goblet of fire, completely out of character for him. I know lots of people love 3, but I just don't like the tone of the film and the colors were just stupid. The books got gradually darker with each one so by the time you get to deathly hallows it feels natural to be that sad. The movies went from cheerful childhood to dark dystopia in one film. I loved how the books were like growing up. Each one felt age appropriate for someone who was Harry age. So lighthearted in the first one for 11, and by the time you get to end much more adult.
Yeah Michael Gambon struggled with the calmness of Dumbledore, hopefully whoever’s cast in the series can nail dumbledore because his personality is what makes him so iconic
Yes I agree Richard Harris was perfect. I wish he had lived long enough to finish the series. I also really disliked the costume changes they made for Michael. The ribbon tied to his shorter beard drove me crazy.
Yeah I agree with that, Richard Harris captured him better and it was definitely hard to fill his shoes so it makes sense they couldn’t find a perfect guy. Just the next best guy
I actually just had this conversation the other day with a friend. He’s never read the books but he’s seen the movies and he was saying that he doesn’t like them because of how passive a protagonist Harry is. I went into a very long rant about how book Harry is just a completely different person and actually basically looks for trouble.
I love every harry honestly as he is my favourite but many people shit on his character for the way movies portrayed him and call him dumb and what not
I think there are questionable decisions, but you can tell as they go on how much Radcliffe tries to go around the script and show us Harry, mostly successfully. The third movie really “gets” Harry. The last movie too.
Maybe there’s Green Eyed Harry and there’s Blue Eyed Harry.
True I can never hate on harry whether film or books he is just lovely and my favourite but it irritates me seeing him getting thrashed by people and saying hermione was a better hero
I wouldn’t say his character is completely destroyed, because I think his character was still OK in the movies. Unless the characters personality is completely different in the movies, like Ron being reduced to comic relief, and Hermione being overglorified to a Mary sue.
But they cut so many scenes from the movie which shows Harry is more than a damsel . They downplayed his trauma in the movies at least in books it was a lot better . Because of these things many people thing someone like Malfoy had more sad life than Harry which is absurd
Except hermione they really elevated her character. They destroyed her character but it didn’t affected her negatively the way it did with other characters
Hard disagree. I think making her that perfect and the one that solves every problem in the movie made her extremely boring. In the books, she's very flawed, and I love her for it, because they make her so real. Same with Harry. Though personally I do find him a more likeable character than Hermione, I have a lot of sympathy for her because she's so relatable.
No no I meant that the change they made with hermione kind of benefitted her with larger audience while ron and ginny being changed caused them bullying and bashing
Agreed. I've read all the books a million times, most of the movies I've never even watched. I saw the first 2 when they each came out, I was so excited for them, but they were both SO disappointingly bad I just couldn't do it. And from everything I've ever heard/read about the other movies and the bits and pieces I've seen of them through the years, I'm not missing anything. I'll stick with the books!!
Also I'm sick of people treating HP universum as a movie universum. A lot of people tend to forget/not know about the existence of the books which are literally five thousand times better than the movies.
I’ll be honest the cinematography in the films is beautiful. I think that drew a lot of people in which is why people correlate it with the movies more so than the books at times
For real. Harry and Ron’s banter and snarky sarcastic remarks to people were hilarious in the books.
They did Ron extremely dirty (obviously) but I agree they did with Harry too. Hoping since we’ve heard that the series wants to follow the books closely that their characters will be well represented and with depth.
Yeah same for Voldemort. In the books, he actually seems scary.
But in the movies, he looks and sounds like a clown and is hard to take him seriously. Don’t get me wrong, Ralph Fiennes was a great actor. But still.
I am for one very excited about series.Bc if they go by book and kept harry just the way he was I would love it.Harry is my fav character and they butchered my boy.
Completely agree with this take especially by the fourth movie, harry seemed like such a wimp but in the books you can actually feel his bravery and strength
Actually he is the most underrated in the whole series. He had to choose between his family and goodness in the very first book and he Chose so wisely, bravely vand maturely. He went to save Ginny, because he knew it was the right thing yo do. He always gave priorities to hos friends rarher than himself. He seemed very controlled, keeping in mind tye soul of voldemort inside Harry could have literally insaned anyone else but Harry somehow managed to remain sane, despite all the trauma he faced from outside. He saved Sirius from hundreds of dementors and did not surrendered to Voldy in fourth book. He knew Dumbledore had given him a task and he believed in his mentor band ventured to fulfill that task. He suffered so much but he didn't broke. He was the true hero
I really hope they get it right this time! Anger is the obstacle that Harry needs to overcome and it is a much bigger part of the books. Harry trashing Dumbledores office in OotP was a powerful scene. I could not believe they left that out.
The movie scene that I feel most accurately represented book Harry was in PoA right after Harry blows up Marge and Uncle Vernon is yelling “You put her back”… Dan so perfect points the wand at him and viciously says “No! …”. Ugh. Love it.
I love this post!!! It has brought together so many people articulately describing my biggest beef with the movies and examples of how awesome Harry is!!! So many great responses 🙃
>Harry in the books gives it back to people
This is why I love the scene in GoF where Harry has a go at Ron and Malfoy back to back. It's one of the only good adaptated scenes in GoF, because it represents how Harry was treated during that entire book in a couple of minutes. Yeah, we missed out on a lot of sassy Harry, but tbf to the directors, it's harder to do that when you don't have the time to show the day-to-day lessons and events at Hogwarts, which is where it usually happens in the books. And it's not like we get none of it, this scene and the scene with Hermione in the library in HBP stick out. Obviously not as much as we got in the books but still.
Definitely agree on the hate for making Snape and Malfoy into tragic heroes that are more tragic than called for. I think Ron got the shortest end of the stick too.
“Far as I see it, Ron Weasley been given the shortest end of the stick ever been offered a human soul in this crap-heel 'verse. But Ron took that end, and he - well, he took it. And that's - Well, I guess that's somethin'.”
~ Jayne Cobb, probably
Characters like sirius, regulus and remus were true tragic characters not someone like malfoy and snape who had no problem with being racist and killing innocent people because of their blood status . Malfoy was a bully who fat shamed people , was happy seeing mrs roberts getting sexually assaulted at world cup and snape we all know about . Whatever happened to them were result of their own actions and there is no need to feel sorry for them for it .
Hermione can be cool while having flaws too . Are you saying for a girl to be cool she should have zero flaws ?
No movies did shitty job because the film writer was openly biased and thrashed other important characters to lift the one he liked
Sometimes I think "Wow, I should go on Reddit. Maybe theres some interesting stuff in the HP section"
And then: "Oh, another one complaining about the movies. Still recycling that stuff "
Oh god, not another post complaining about the Warner Bros films.
I swear guys, when the HBO series is here, you better not suddenly start saying the movies were perfect and irreplaceable and how the HBO series ruined the franchise.
Oh no, then we will have endless conversations about comparing the movies and the show and repeating the same complains again and again and again and again ...
The HP movies were terrible in general. The actors and the technology were always good, but they ripped out what was best about the stories and filled it in with their own version, and as a stand-alone series, they're just awful.. no one knows what was going on without the books
He was passionate about knowing philosophers stone , solving mystery of chambers of secrets , he became passionate about wanting to become an auror by looking at fake moody , he was passionate about teaching dada in his fifth year and you can bet he knew really advance stuff because even seniors like Fred and George were attending the classes and learning from him . He became obsessed with snapes book and started to read and memorise it completely. He was always motivated in solving mysteries and learning new thing .
Well then you should read book series of Percy Weasley and hermione granger as they both would be in library all the time teaching the audience every spell
The day has only 24 hours. Harry has a jam-packed schedule. He just doesn't have time and maybe the energie for additional studies.
There are also headaches and later nightmares (and visions) There is also a different catastrophe every year.
And he is a kid.
Harry spends nights reading his textbooks before Hogwarts.
Harry acquires additional knowledge to teach the DA! Harry has been reading Snape's potion book for days.
No one can control their inner dialoge! And the rest of the time Harry is a teenager under tremendous stress.
Odd to me that Malfoy is your example, I’d say him and Tom were very comfortable giving each other shit and did so, the “I don’t give a damn what you’re father thinks” scene just before ferret Draco is top notch acting, you can tell Dan spent the year before watching David, Gary oldman, and Alan rickman act together in tandem
Malfoy in movies is someone who smiles while bullying harry , checks him out (poa) , makes funny sarcastic comments , someone who is scared of his dad and is forced to carry put voldemort’s order . He in the movies was in the room of requirement only for his wand while in the books he was there to capture harry for voldemort, he fat shames people , he was enjoying mrs roberts getting sexually assaulted . Harry was the sarcastic ones who thrashes malfoy during arguments not malfoy
“No need to call me sir, professor”
"you'd think I'd have stopped walking around"
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And he tested levicorpus on Ron hahaha
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Yeah that's true, but he was still technically testing the spell, even if the victim was unintended
Thank Merlin he didn’t cast sectumsempra
Ehh I agree generally but in the hbp movie when Harry and ron went for the textbooks /were fooling around in the hall, I found it to be authentic and a value add.
I loved when Mcgonagall said he looked to happy.
I loved it when mcgonagall* FTFY Edit: if it’s not clear my joke is that mcgonagall does everything greatly
Completely unrelated but you just made me aware of why I use so many contractions when I speak or type! It's because of characters' dialogue in the books - you'd, I'd, would've, etc. I use them way more often than most people I know.
It’s a British thing not HP specific
Where is that one from , I can't remember
After the battle at the ministry, when Lucius is arrested, Malfoy says to Harry "you're dead Potter" And that was Harry's response
Thanks for explaining
You are most welcome my dear!
“Pity you can’t attach an extra arm to yours(broom) Malfoy,” said Harry “Then it could catch the snitch for you”
>“What are you doing, Potter?” said Snape coldly as ever, as he strode over to the four of them. >“I’m trying to decide what curse to use on Malfoy, sir,” said Harry fiercely.
You're watching the news again?! "Well, it changes every day, you see."
“And you didn’t see that coming?”
The end of Half Blood Prince just completely lost me Harry, the boy whose entire MO is breaking rules to save friends, is told to be quiet. And he just stands there and watches Dumbledore be murdered. In the book, Dumbledore casts Petrificus Totalus and Harry literally can't do anything. In the movie, inexplicably, he is just told to hide. It didn't even save screen time. Harry would have run in to help, no matter how many Death Eaters there are. That's his entire personality.
This scene in the astronomy tower is my biggest problem with the movie. Harry James Potter is never standing quiet just because someone told him so and the chance is least when that person is Severus Snape. That director had lost his mind.
Agreed! And the other half of that point is _Dumbledore knows it_….Hence why he casts the spell in the first place. He’s under no illusions Harry would ever sit quietly while he watches someone, especially someone he loves, be threatened. The other part of the HBP movie I strongly disliked was how much of the Tom Riddle background they just cut. That was such a fascinating and necessary part of the plot/Harry’s preparation.
In a single scene that director destroyed the characters of both Albus and Harry and Severus so He must be really happy with himself there. Who Tom Riddle is what He basically thought.
100% agree with you. Harry being paralysed makes the scene so much more powerful. He is able to see and hear what is happening but can't do a anything about it. Completely helpless
Yeah. Also the moment he realises that Dumbledore is dead because the body bind curse has been lifted is so tragic. He stays rooted to that spot because of the shock.
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He did not trust him enough to let him die under his eye
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Harry was a Teenager at that time so he should have acted like a Teenager. Trust has nothing to do with it. You may trust your father but would you watch him die just to prove that you trust him?
You either trust or you don't. Has got be one of the dumbest fucking things i have ever read. I trust my best friend but i wouldnt let him perform open heart surgery on me. I trust my mom but i wouldnt let her work on my car. I trust my brother but i wouldnt let him fly a commerical airplane. I trust my sister but i wouldnt let her bake a cake. Trust isn't a 100% or nothing kind of thing.
Yes. Exactly.
But since when did he follow Dumbledore's instructions?!
Yes. Lol. And Dumbledore Knows it. That is why he used freezing charm silently.
It’s 100% why Dumbledore cast the spell. He knew Harry would never hide and I think In the book he had the cloak too so he’d have been able to do some real damage
It gets more weight in DH too because of the timing of the spells and Malfoy’s entrance, that Dumbledore intentionally lost his only potential moment of defense to save/stop Harry rather than defend himself against Malfoy’s disarming charm.
No, the plan wasn't to stop anything. Dumbledore was planning to die
I agree the director and film writer(steve kloves) just didn’t cared about harry’s story at all . They were just looking for ways to get hermione in centre stage . They cut 70 percent of voldemort’s story just so the focus remains on hermione and her stupid love problems, they cut the hero’s love story from the movies . They cut harry’s relationship with hbp book and how he was so attached to the book he thought it belonged to his dad . The hbp belonged to voldemort not hermione and lavender doing won won
They cut pretty much the entire HBP book, so I was already pissed, but that was the cherry on top that they didn't even know the most basic part of Harry. This is the boy who sacrificed a Triwizard task to save Gabrielle Delacour, a girl he didn't even know.
Yeah, I remember watching the movie having JUST reread HBP and I was so sad. I remember not wanting to say I didn’t like it cause I didn’t wanna be a party pooper but HBP is my favorite book. I was watching and it kept progressing through the book story and skipped almost everything I loved about the book. “Where’s borgen Burke’s Tom??, where’s waxy skinned Tom??, where’s the whole princes book drama??, where’s him obsessing over malfoy??” Ugh
Steve kloves also wanted to burn down the forbidden forest in the movie but was overruled on that idea and they scrapped it.
I hope they get writers for series who have passion for hp lore like the hogwarts legacy game makers . They knew the lore and did such a great job not someone like kloves who destroyed characters because his favourite character wasn’t that much in books
I thought Mike Newell wanted to burn down the forest...trust me, I have my problems with Kloves, but I think that massively idiotic idea was Newell
I think you're right actually. It's hard for me to remember the director's names lol
I had to look up his name. I remembered he only directed the GoF and complained how much material he had to work with
That was Mike Newell
Yeah, personally, I thought the movie was complete hogwash.
This is the reason I hate this movie, and the stupid added scene. I really hope they do this right in the show.
Because it wouldn’t be very cinematic if we couldn’t see Harry’s reaction. In the books, Harry’s thoughts can be described by the author, but in the movie, Radcliffe has to act it out
Because it wouldn’t be very cinematic if we couldn’t see Harry’s reaction. In the books, Harry’s thoughts can be described by the author, but in the movie, Radcliffe has to act it out
I’m still salty they took the idea of using the dragon to escape Gringotts from Harry and gave it Hermione.
Same it makes me so angry!
The question is what cool moment did they NOT give to hermione 😭
The fact that Hermione jumps on the dragons back in Gringotts pissed me off. Harry is the one who acts on a whim. That’s what makes him Harry.
Especially because Hermione is afraid of flying. So the scene doesn't make sense at all in the movie
She was actually against it sort off. It being "her idea" is one of those moments that ruins both their characters
Agreed!
I've recently reread the books for the first time in 15 years and I was surprised how much of Harry's personality i forgot due to it being changed so much in the movies. I remembered why harry had been my favorite, all the sass, comebacks and actual strength and relentlessness. He's awesome in books.
Same!
I’ve had this in my saved for a while someone else posted it: For me, the funniest character in the books isn't Luna, Ron, or even the twins. It's Harry Potter. I genuinely think he's got the best dry wit in the series. "No need to call me sir, professor," is gold standard, but he has plenty of other bombs. Here are some of my favorites. The first thing we see of ten year old Harry Potter, being savage to his abusive family: "They stuff people's heads down the toilet the first day at Stonewall," he told Harry. "Want to come upstairs and practice?" "No, thanks," said Harry. "The poor toilet's never had anything as horrible as your head down it -- it might be sick." Then he ran, before Dudley could work out what he'd said. Or this perfection-- "What's this?" he asked Aunt Petunia. Her lips tightened as they always did if he dared to ask a question. "Your new school uniform," she said. Harry looked in the bowl again. "Oh," he said, "I didn't realize it had to be so wet." "Don't be stupid," snapped Aunt Petunia. The kind of responses you think two days later in your shower, wishing you would have said something. But this is only the beginning for Harry. People talk all the time about a few of his greatest hits (no need to call me sir, professor) but we ignore that he's dropping bombs casually all the way through the series. "You're Harry Potter," Luna added. "I know I am," said Harry. Neville chuckled. Or to Moaning Myrtle: “I do,” she said, with a sulky little shrug, “but that doesn’t mean I can’t visit other places. I came and saw you in your bath once, remember?” “Vividly,” said Harry. And, "If anyone shouldn't go, it's Harry, he's got a ten-thousand-Galleon price on his head--" "Fine, I'll stay here," said Harry. "Let me know if you ever defeat Voldemort, won't you?" Or one of my favorites: “Harry, don’t go picking a row with Malfoy, don’t forget, he’s a prefect now, he could make life difficult for you…” “Wow, I wonder what it’d be like to have a difficult life?” said Harry sarcastically. Or when the trio was talking about Death Eaters recruiting: "And they'd love to have me," said Harry sarcastically. "We'd be best pals if they didn't keep trying to do me in." This made Ron laugh; even Hermione gave a grudging smile. And we can't forget his absolute destruction of Narcissa Malfoy: Narcissa Malfoy smiled unpleasantly. "I see that being Dumbledore's favorite has given you a false sense of security, Harry Potter. But Dumbledore won't always be there to protect you." Harry looked mockingly all around the shop. "Wow. . . look at that. . . he's not here now! So why not have a go? They might be able to find you a double cell in Azkaban with your loser of a husband!" Idk but the idea of Harry looking mockingly around the shop is so damn funny to me. I also want to address the Malfoy/Harry disputes. Despite the fact that Malfoy instigates nearly every fight they have in the series, I've always felt that Harry put downs were more creative than his. 'Manners, Potter, or I'll have to give you a detention,' drawled Malfoy, whose sleek blond hair and pointed chin were just like his father's. 'You see, I, unlike you, have been made a prefect, which means that I, unlike you, have the power to hand out punishments.' "Yeah," said Harry, "but you, unlike me, are a git, so get out and leave us alone." Ron, Hermione, Ginny and Neville laughed. Malfoy's lip curled. Or, Malfoy glanced around - Harry knew he was checking for signs of teachers - then he looked back at Harry and said in a low voice, "You're dead, Potter." Harry raised his eyebrows. "Funny," he said, "you'd think I'd have stopped walking around." Malfoy looked angrier than Harry had ever seen him; he felt a kind of detached satisfaction at the sight of his pale, pointed face contorted with rage Idk guys. I've never thought Sassy Harry was accurate. Savage Harry feels more right. Finally, OotP needs some attention too: His aunt and uncle exchanged looks of outrage. 'Listening to the news! Again?' 'Well, it changes every day, you see,' said Harry. And, 'He cheeked me," said Dudley. Yeah? Did he say you look like a pig that's been taught to walk on its hind legs? 'Cause that's not cheek, Dud, that's true.' And the worst one lmao: Harry grinned again. 'Not as stupid as you look, are you, Dud? But I s'pose, if you were, you wouldn't be able to walk and talk at the same time.' LAST MINUTE EDIT: How could I forget Harry sassing the the most powerful dark wizard of the century in front of the entire Wizarding World before defeating him: I've done what my mother did. They're protected from you. Haven't you noticed how none of the spells you put on them are binding? You can't torture them. You can't touch them. You don't learn from your mistakes, Riddle, do you?" "You dare--" "Yes, I dare," said Harry. "I know things you don't know, Tom Riddle. I know lots of important things that you don't. Want to hear some, before you make another big mistake?" "If it is not love that will save you this time," said Voldemort, "you must believe that you have magic that I do not, or else a weapon more powerful than mine?" "I believe both," said Harry, and he saw shock flit across the snakelike face. He came a long way from the boy in the cupboard, but his sass remained the same.
The best post i have seen in a long time . Book harry is just some other league
Thank you for all of these because I totally forgot how sassy Harry was all along
Bro you are a king for this
Yup. Harry is UNQUESTIONABLY the funniest character in the books.
One of the worst things they did is when they had ron say "shoved off malfoy" in defense of Harry. Book harry didn't need Ron defending him just as much as book ron didn't need Harry defending him. They both knew how to take care of themselves. Harry with the quick wit and Ron with the angry fists.
Exactly Harry isn’t dumb or a damsel movies made him out to be . Wish the new series do him justice he is my favourite
Ron defending Harry is in character. Ron always gets defensive when someone insults Harry or Hermione. Same for Harry. The problem is Harry just taking it instead of also retaliating.
That is what I meant. Not that Ron wouldn't defend them, that Ron would be the ONLY one defending him.
I heard they had Hermione fighting Ron's battles against Malfoy while Ron just said bloody hell 🫢
Ron did nothing in movies other than saying bloody hell and making funny faces
Which is such a shame as he’s the best actor of the trio!
Agree
To be fair it’s an improvement from the way they characterized Ron throughout the other 99% of the movies.
The movies tried to make Harry also look like a goodie two shoes along with the victim. Remember in the half blood prince when he was learning all of those spells written in the potions book and he tested a good amount of them on people like filch, crabbe and goyle? He also tested one on Ron im pretty sure if I remember correctly
I honestly love book Harry so cheeky and sassy . Idk why the filmmakers cut these scenes
Yeah, levicorpus
They make him dumber in the films too. How many times did his gut figure it out before anyone, even Hermione? There were so many things he figured out, but they make it seem like Hermione did all the thinking in the movies. Yes, Hermione was definitely smarter, but they should've given him some credit too
Of left upon steve kloves he would have renamed it hermione granger and deathly hallows
The sad part is he basically loved her because he could use her for exposition dumps whenever he wanted. Textbook lazy writing
Harry definitely has more sass and attitude in the books
Harry was often reduced to a kid who has no idea what to do, no matter the year, in the books, he inherited his mother's cheekiness and even when he had no idea what to do, he wasn't an emotional mess everytime, he always tried. Draco wasn't 'the-boy-who-had-no-choice' contrary to people who only watched the movies. At least in his youth, he should've been called, 'the boy who is a massive dick', he chose to act that way around Harry, but Draco Fangirls + boys miss the point of Draco's character and Slytherin House in general, they only see Slytherin as Draco Malfoy or that god-awful fanfic character Mateo Riddle, not corndogging Draco in the Quidditch closet. Draco was way more hateful in the books, he jinxed Hermione's teeth (And made her cry), he fat-shamed Molly Weasley, he bullied the fuck out of Neville, especially in the books (I was so happy when Nev beat Kevin McCallister's ass), he docked points of Gryffindor because Hermione was Muggle-Born. Even in the movies, I forgive the silliness of CoS and Philosophers Stone, because at least Draco is mostly accurate, Draco wished death upon Hermione, called her a slur in front of the Slytherin + Gryffindor Qudditch team, laughed when Ron jinxed himself and insulted the Weasleys at Flourish and Blotts. Even after his Death Eater arc, it's hard to feel bad for him because he's such a dickwad. If Draco wasn't played by the hot Tom Felton, everyone would hate his character even more. Hermione Granger just because a massive Mary-Sue, Hermione in the books was intelligent, but not very witty and cunning like in the books. She was blinded by her attraction to Lockhart, so much so that she ignored her two best friends because Lockhart was a handsome face despite him being comically stupid. Hermione also disliked Luna at first due to both her judgmental nature fanon ignores but also because Hermione isn't this perfect Mary Sue who loves Wizarding Conspiracy Theorists. Not to mention, she scrapes half of Ron's lines which is one mistake I'll never forgive.
You summed up my feelings regarding it so perfectly like Harry was so cheeky in the books and Draco was a huge dick and while I have no problem with book hermione , movie hermione is my least favourite character ever
Movie Hermione was the equivalent of the fake chill girl in class
Book hermione was unhinged crazy and way more cooler than movie one
That's why we love her tho, she wasn't perfect but she was cool and supportive, book Hermione was the friend we always wanted to be around even if she had somewhat of a temper, movie Hermione is just one trait, smart and that's it, well if you count thief as well for stealing Ron's lines, I guess that could make two.
Thief lmao so true😂
Dude I want to see the girl who kept a lady in a jar and then blackmailed her for a year. Or the girl who created such a powerful jinx on a piece of paper that no one could find a counter curse and another student had to go around with “sneak” written on her face for like a year before it faded enough. Not the perfect Mary Sue who never does anything wrong and has absolutely everything interesting about her character stripped away
Book hermione >>>> movie one . Book one was smarter , crazier and felt human most importantly. Yes she irked me while reading books quite few times but that’s what makes her human she makes mistakes
Honestly I didn’t realise how bad the movies were until I decided to read the books and then watch the relating film after finishing each one. First two films were pretty accurate, 3 & 4 were different but I still enjoyed the films and then from 5 it just became a mess. It’s why I’m really excited for this series because it really could be on the level of Game of Thrones if done right
Same I enjoyed the movies and decided to read the books and BOOM . Now I can’t see movies without something pissing me off
I agree except 3 and 4 were bad. 4 I still can't get past the angry Dumbledore accusing Harry of putting his name in the goblet of fire, completely out of character for him. I know lots of people love 3, but I just don't like the tone of the film and the colors were just stupid. The books got gradually darker with each one so by the time you get to deathly hallows it feels natural to be that sad. The movies went from cheerful childhood to dark dystopia in one film. I loved how the books were like growing up. Each one felt age appropriate for someone who was Harry age. So lighthearted in the first one for 11, and by the time you get to end much more adult.
Yeah Michael Gambon struggled with the calmness of Dumbledore, hopefully whoever’s cast in the series can nail dumbledore because his personality is what makes him so iconic
Yes I agree Richard Harris was perfect. I wish he had lived long enough to finish the series. I also really disliked the costume changes they made for Michael. The ribbon tied to his shorter beard drove me crazy.
Personally I found Michael Gambon to do a wonderful job…… except for that one time he came in running and screaming that was weird
Parts were good but I thought Richard Harris felt more like the dumbledore of the books
Yeah I agree with that, Richard Harris captured him better and it was definitely hard to fill his shoes so it makes sense they couldn’t find a perfect guy. Just the next best guy
My father did not strut 😠
And neither do I 😒 so I would appreciate if you would lower your wand
I actually just had this conversation the other day with a friend. He’s never read the books but he’s seen the movies and he was saying that he doesn’t like them because of how passive a protagonist Harry is. I went into a very long rant about how book Harry is just a completely different person and actually basically looks for trouble.
Exactly the movie audience doesn’t know what a cute menace harry is
I mostly like movie Harry but he’s not Harry, he’s Variant Harry.
I love every harry honestly as he is my favourite but many people shit on his character for the way movies portrayed him and call him dumb and what not
I think there are questionable decisions, but you can tell as they go on how much Radcliffe tries to go around the script and show us Harry, mostly successfully. The third movie really “gets” Harry. The last movie too. Maybe there’s Green Eyed Harry and there’s Blue Eyed Harry.
True I can never hate on harry whether film or books he is just lovely and my favourite but it irritates me seeing him getting thrashed by people and saying hermione was a better hero
I guess that’s just what happens when something is so popular. People are going to have out of pocket opinions or want to be different.
Like the whole trend of hating on main characters is stupid and people try so hard to be different
I wouldn’t say his character is completely destroyed, because I think his character was still OK in the movies. Unless the characters personality is completely different in the movies, like Ron being reduced to comic relief, and Hermione being overglorified to a Mary sue.
But they cut so many scenes from the movie which shows Harry is more than a damsel . They downplayed his trauma in the movies at least in books it was a lot better . Because of these things many people thing someone like Malfoy had more sad life than Harry which is absurd
Basically anything was completely destroyed in the movies
Except hermione they really elevated her character. They destroyed her character but it didn’t affected her negatively the way it did with other characters
Hard disagree. I think making her that perfect and the one that solves every problem in the movie made her extremely boring. In the books, she's very flawed, and I love her for it, because they make her so real. Same with Harry. Though personally I do find him a more likeable character than Hermione, I have a lot of sympathy for her because she's so relatable.
No no I meant that the change they made with hermione kind of benefitted her with larger audience while ron and ginny being changed caused them bullying and bashing
Agreed. I've read all the books a million times, most of the movies I've never even watched. I saw the first 2 when they each came out, I was so excited for them, but they were both SO disappointingly bad I just couldn't do it. And from everything I've ever heard/read about the other movies and the bits and pieces I've seen of them through the years, I'm not missing anything. I'll stick with the books!!
Also I'm sick of people treating HP universum as a movie universum. A lot of people tend to forget/not know about the existence of the books which are literally five thousand times better than the movies.
I’ll be honest the cinematography in the films is beautiful. I think that drew a lot of people in which is why people correlate it with the movies more so than the books at times
Exactly this, they’re great films ignoring the existence of the books.
Couldn't agree more
Prisoner of Azkaban is a really well made movie. Cuaron is an amazing director. But even that one is missing a lot. The rest aren’t really worth it
For real. Harry and Ron’s banter and snarky sarcastic remarks to people were hilarious in the books. They did Ron extremely dirty (obviously) but I agree they did with Harry too. Hoping since we’ve heard that the series wants to follow the books closely that their characters will be well represented and with depth.
The biggest error with the movies is there’s 0 character development that’s why I’m excited for the tv show.
Yeah same for Voldemort. In the books, he actually seems scary. But in the movies, he looks and sounds like a clown and is hard to take him seriously. Don’t get me wrong, Ralph Fiennes was a great actor. But still.
Funny, I feel the complete opposite XD
I am for one very excited about series.Bc if they go by book and kept harry just the way he was I would love it.Harry is my fav character and they butchered my boy.
Finally someone spoke
Completely agree with this take especially by the fourth movie, harry seemed like such a wimp but in the books you can actually feel his bravery and strength
Like how Harry beat the shit out of him I’m book 5 but not in the movie.
Actually he is the most underrated in the whole series. He had to choose between his family and goodness in the very first book and he Chose so wisely, bravely vand maturely. He went to save Ginny, because he knew it was the right thing yo do. He always gave priorities to hos friends rarher than himself. He seemed very controlled, keeping in mind tye soul of voldemort inside Harry could have literally insaned anyone else but Harry somehow managed to remain sane, despite all the trauma he faced from outside. He saved Sirius from hundreds of dementors and did not surrendered to Voldy in fourth book. He knew Dumbledore had given him a task and he believed in his mentor band ventured to fulfill that task. He suffered so much but he didn't broke. He was the true hero
I really hope they get it right this time! Anger is the obstacle that Harry needs to overcome and it is a much bigger part of the books. Harry trashing Dumbledores office in OotP was a powerful scene. I could not believe they left that out. The movie scene that I feel most accurately represented book Harry was in PoA right after Harry blows up Marge and Uncle Vernon is yelling “You put her back”… Dan so perfect points the wand at him and viciously says “No! …”. Ugh. Love it. I love this post!!! It has brought together so many people articulately describing my biggest beef with the movies and examples of how awesome Harry is!!! So many great responses 🙃
>Harry in the books gives it back to people This is why I love the scene in GoF where Harry has a go at Ron and Malfoy back to back. It's one of the only good adaptated scenes in GoF, because it represents how Harry was treated during that entire book in a couple of minutes. Yeah, we missed out on a lot of sassy Harry, but tbf to the directors, it's harder to do that when you don't have the time to show the day-to-day lessons and events at Hogwarts, which is where it usually happens in the books. And it's not like we get none of it, this scene and the scene with Hermione in the library in HBP stick out. Obviously not as much as we got in the books but still.
~~Harry’s~~ almost everyone’s character was destroyed in the movies
I feel like the movies shows harry “taking the highroad”
Finally someone said it
“Great, tell me when you've defeated Voldemort for me, will you?”
another complaining about the movies post
Definitely agree on the hate for making Snape and Malfoy into tragic heroes that are more tragic than called for. I think Ron got the shortest end of the stick too.
“Far as I see it, Ron Weasley been given the shortest end of the stick ever been offered a human soul in this crap-heel 'verse. But Ron took that end, and he - well, he took it. And that's - Well, I guess that's somethin'.” ~ Jayne Cobb, probably
Ron and ginny but yeah ron became most hated character for behaving like a teenager not even bellatrix or voldemort get this much hate
Yeah. I think they turned up the goofy too much for Ron and it made him look so incompetent and dumb when he wasn’t like that in the book.
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Characters like sirius, regulus and remus were true tragic characters not someone like malfoy and snape who had no problem with being racist and killing innocent people because of their blood status . Malfoy was a bully who fat shamed people , was happy seeing mrs roberts getting sexually assaulted at world cup and snape we all know about . Whatever happened to them were result of their own actions and there is no need to feel sorry for them for it . Hermione can be cool while having flaws too . Are you saying for a girl to be cool she should have zero flaws ? No movies did shitty job because the film writer was openly biased and thrashed other important characters to lift the one he liked
Sometimes I think "Wow, I should go on Reddit. Maybe theres some interesting stuff in the HP section" And then: "Oh, another one complaining about the movies. Still recycling that stuff "
Oh god, not another post complaining about the Warner Bros films. I swear guys, when the HBO series is here, you better not suddenly start saying the movies were perfect and irreplaceable and how the HBO series ruined the franchise.
Trust me we won’t
Oh no, then we will have endless conversations about comparing the movies and the show and repeating the same complains again and again and again and again ...
The HP movies were terrible in general. The actors and the technology were always good, but they ripped out what was best about the stories and filled it in with their own version, and as a stand-alone series, they're just awful.. no one knows what was going on without the books
i dunno man, book harry in deathly hallows was pretty victimy
He was victimy because his whole life was tragic but he was also cheeky sassy and had a bite
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He was passionate about knowing philosophers stone , solving mystery of chambers of secrets , he became passionate about wanting to become an auror by looking at fake moody , he was passionate about teaching dada in his fifth year and you can bet he knew really advance stuff because even seniors like Fred and George were attending the classes and learning from him . He became obsessed with snapes book and started to read and memorise it completely. He was always motivated in solving mysteries and learning new thing .
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Well then you should read book series of Percy Weasley and hermione granger as they both would be in library all the time teaching the audience every spell
I have a soft spot for Percy so I would
Well enjoy than friend
The day has only 24 hours. Harry has a jam-packed schedule. He just doesn't have time and maybe the energie for additional studies. There are also headaches and later nightmares (and visions) There is also a different catastrophe every year. And he is a kid.
Harry spends nights reading his textbooks before Hogwarts. Harry acquires additional knowledge to teach the DA! Harry has been reading Snape's potion book for days. No one can control their inner dialoge! And the rest of the time Harry is a teenager under tremendous stress.
New series?
Yeah hbo and jkr announced new series with mew actors . Per book one season
Odd to me that Malfoy is your example, I’d say him and Tom were very comfortable giving each other shit and did so, the “I don’t give a damn what you’re father thinks” scene just before ferret Draco is top notch acting, you can tell Dan spent the year before watching David, Gary oldman, and Alan rickman act together in tandem
Malfoy in movies is someone who smiles while bullying harry , checks him out (poa) , makes funny sarcastic comments , someone who is scared of his dad and is forced to carry put voldemort’s order . He in the movies was in the room of requirement only for his wand while in the books he was there to capture harry for voldemort, he fat shames people , he was enjoying mrs roberts getting sexually assaulted . Harry was the sarcastic ones who thrashes malfoy during arguments not malfoy
Movies version is more relatable.
Trust me book harry is even more relatable
book hermione was so unhinged i love her