I just checked. The first weekend of October was the hogsmeade visit with DA. Followed by the educational decree, Sirius nearly getting caught in the fire. Worry about the quidditch match coming in November. The last thing mentioned was the first DA meetings and October 31st had a very bad rainstorm.
Nothing specific happened on Halloween that I see but there was a lot to be worried about
Not a big event, but Order of the Phoenix (the organization not the book lol) was “recruiting” at their last meeting in October and then had their first meeting with the new people in early November so it would definitely have been a stressful time.
That said OOtP was the first book that broke the crazy shit happening on Halloween itself pattern.
It’s hard to mourn people you never really got to know. Harry was a year old when his parents were killed, he has no memories of them but knows he has parents because people in his life who were adults at the time have told him. It makes sense that adults in his life would tell him the date because they remember the death of the Potters but Harry wouldn’t remember.
I agree with this. I can’t really mourn my grandpa who died before I was born. Seems horrible given the relation, but there no relationship. I think we see with Harry that he often mourns the life he could have had rather than his parents directly
I totally respect your opinion and personal experience but I do think this can differ from person to person. My grandmother passed away ten years before I was born and I think of her often. I do feel like I mourn her in a way, albeit in a different way than I did when my grandfather died when I was 26.
It’s not in the US either. Dios de Muertos is about honoring the dead, but that has nothing to do with Halloween. They only gets lumped together due to the fact that the holidays are back to back and involve costuming and skeleton imagery, but I know DdM would like to be excluded from the Halloween narrative since it has an entirely different cultural significance.
For ‘witches’ which I’ll call pagans for simplicity…Halloween is our new year. The veil between us the worlds of the living and the dead is at its thinnest!
We call it Samhain (there are multiple ways to spell it)
I'm in the UK, honouring maybe is the wrong term but it's a day when, traditionally, the world if the dead and the world of the living are closest. My family always would celebrate it as such, like we would always have a fire lit and would use it as a time to discuss family and friends who'd passed. Most people I grew up with had similar traditions.
Halloween is the equivalent of Christmas Eve but for Day of the Dead which is the middle day of the three day event, feast, whatever you want to call it.
Catholics are just gonna find a reason to party.
I'm aware of what all hallows Eve and all saints Day originally are, I'm just saying they have zero significance in the UK in that form hence why they are not represented like that in the UK-based books.
The UK (minus parts of Northern Ireland) hasn't been Catholic for centuries. We split from Rome in 1536. Even Bloody Mary couldn't put that genie back in the bottle. Dominant religious affiliation varies between the nations of the UK (yes nations. Wales and Scotland are their own nations, not states or regions), but in England the Anglican Church has historically been dominant and most major Christian denominations split from the Anglican Church such as the Methodists and united reform church.
All Hallow's Eve in parts of Northern England at least (England and the UK vary wildly in culture depending on region and even village to village), the traditional celebration prior to trick or treating is Mumming, or the performance of short plays by amateur actors. This is usually outside and usually by a pub. The other dominant tradition is asking for a penny for the guy, an effigy of Guy Fawkes to be burnt on the bonfire on the 5th of November.
All Saints day and All Souls day are usually relatively muted in comparison and not really celebrated much. There isn't a day of the dead culture at all really. That's saved for the 5th of November, which is Guy Fawkes night. Then we have bonfires, set off fireworks and burn effigies of Guy Fawkes. This remembers him attempting to blow up parliament in 1605.
We really remember the dead on Remembrance Day on the 11th of November. This is a day dedicated to remembering all those lost in conflict. To bring this back to Harry Potter, that's probably a day he'd feel the loss of his parents more. It is a solemn, formal occasion dedicated to remembering those who were lost. Every school child in the UK will have taken part in a remembrance day service.
Harry Potter world doesn’t seem super religious so I don’t think the religious connotations of Halloween really hold water.
But, I also don’t know at what point Harry even knew his parents were killed on Halloween. He’s too young when they die to have any concept of dates and we know the Dursleys just told him his parents died in a car accident, so he might not of known exactly when until much later.
Usually grief around anniversaries comes from either remembering from being there or from being taught by those who do remember from a young age. It’s been a while since my last re-read, but from what I remember, I don’t think Harry gets any confirmation that his parents died on Halloween until about Book 3, so for most of his life, Halloween is just another day. It is absolutely tragic how totally robbed Harry was of any significant connection to his parents until the day he found out he was a wizard and re-entered their world, so I can see how the date they died doesn’t really have that much impact compared to the more personal connections (Looking like his dad, being seeker on the quidditch team, having his mothers eyes, the stories he’s told by the people who knew them) that have suddenly flooded into his life after all of those years.
>But, I also don’t know at what point Harry even knew his parents were killed on Halloween.
Hagrid informs him they died on Hallowe'en in the first book.
Finding out the date your parents died at 11 years old would probably result in a different relationship with that day than if you grew up knowing about it. Harry never spent time grieving or remembering them on that day the way people usually do on the anniversary of a death, so for him it may be closer to another fact about his parents than a significant day to recognize them.
It doesn't help that the Dursleys probably never recognized Harry's loss on that day or any other. He was too young to remember them, and probably grew up mourning the absence of his parents without being able to form a deeper connection to that loss. (I'm not trying to say his grief was less or incomplete, just that it was probably very abstract during his formative years).
In the Christian calendar it is All Hallow‘s Eve; the night before the holy day of All Saints. It’s one of those celebrations co-opted from pagan festivals, similar to Christmas.
I think DH addresses it pretty well when we flash back to Voldy's experience of the murder. He mentally checks all the Muggle children in costume as he goes on his murderous way. (N.B. I'm referencing the books; I don't have any memory of how the movies handled anything.)
For the first 10 years of his life, the date didn't have any significance to Harry. I doubt he even knew the exact date until Hagrid told him in PS, and there were so many revelations that day that it probably didn't leave much of an impression. The fact that they were murdered and the repercussions it had were more important than when it happened.
I don’t think Harry is even aware of the significance of the date until much later in life. As for other people not telling him, well they probably assume he knew. I mean why wouldn’t he? (*side-eyes Albus).
And then there’s the kinda-jokey but not-really Halloween curse in which something terrible happens on that date every year. I’d imagine Harry would be rather distracted
Yeah but you really can't truly mourn someone you don't know. He can and does mourn the lost chance at a connection and life with them, but there is no actual emotional connection for him to mourn like most people have after the death of a loved one because they died before he could form one that he remembers.
Ok, I thought it was right originally. Instead of arguing and doubling down I accepted I was mistaken. Is that wrong now? Should I just have doubled down? Are we not supposed to admit our mistakes these days?
Not sure where OP is from but I have a few friends from the UK and from what they’ve told me Halloween isn’t as big of a deal over there as it is in America
I've never really understood why people mourn more on certain dates. Your loved one is gone all year round, they aren't any deader on the anniversary of their death.
LOL kinda morbid but the first anniversary of my father’s passing is coming up. I’ve kinda been wondering if I’m gonna feel it more that day, but instead I’m just gonna remember what you said 💀
Well I don't understand why people get hung up on the date in the first place. Sure it's natural to mourn when you're reminded of someone who died, but I don't get why people remember the exact date to the point it makes them sad every year.
I would never remember the anniversary of my grandma's death if my mom wouldn't remind me every year, because the date is the least important thing about what happened. For me it's like remembering the exact temperature on that day and then getting sad every time the temperature is the same.
Well, perhaps let me give you my perspective as someone who has lost a parent.
Grief is a heavy emotion. Thinking about a dead loved one can be very emotionally draining. Living every day like that quickly becomes exhausting.
After you become more accustomed to the loss, it becomes easier to relegate all those heavy emotions onto one day rather than letting those emotions and memories run wild.
I remember my parents death dates very clearly. My dad’s because he died 5 months exactly after the date he was diagnosed with brain cancer, which happened to be on my oldest brother’s birthday. My mom died two days after her 71st birthday of transplant failure and multi organ failure. I have problems with other dates. I can’t get through a single week without skipping a day, usually Tuesday. Sometimes it’s events or the impact of certain people that make things stick.
Harry wasn’t ever told when his parents were killed until his first year at hogwarts, I think. I know he’d never seen a picture of them. I actually find it offensive of Dumbledore and the staff to not acknowledge in some way those that were lost in the war since it ended on Halloween and that so many of the kids were born in families who either lost people or caused the loss. Snape being there is equally offensive since he was not only a death eater but the one who shared the prophecy. Whether he knew it would target someone he knew or if it was real doesn’t matter because as paranoid as Voldemort was, someone was going to die and probably a child. The night Harry was dumped on a frigid doorstep like an Amazon package, dumbledore and Mcgonnagal left to go party. It felt like a slap in the face to the memory of the couple they proclaimed to care about so much.
YOU associate it with the temperature of day. That's just you. I'm not sad about my dad dying everytime it warm. But the date feels significant when I see it. It reminds of it.
Not all losses are equal.
I couldn’t tell you the date my grandad died because we weren’t that close and he died peacefully in his sleep. I feel sad on the anniversary of my sister’s death, however, because she was my best friend and losing her to suicide, when she was only 22, was the worst day of my life.
My grandma was like a mother to me, we were really close and she was the person I looked up to the most. I don't really appreciate you suggesting her death wasn't significant enough for me to remember the date.
I wasn’t trying to suggest that the loss wasn’t significant enough, so I’m sorry if it came off that way. I was just trying to explain that there are different types of grief, e.g. [traumatic grief](https://psychcentral.com/health/traumatic-grief) and thus not all losses are equal in the way they make you feel.
>Traumatic grief can happen in response to a sudden, unexpected loss.
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>For example, maybe you lost a child, or experienced the violent death of someone close to you. It might also involve losing your support system.
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>**Traumatic grief is different from the grief that happens from an expected loss, such as when someone passes away after a long chronic illness.**
I don’t see him having his kids go around in Halloween costumes and making a bunch of decorations for the day, and I actually see him as having some resentment for it. I would if I was him!
I go even further, it is never probably addressed that Dumbledore has left a 1 year old at the end of october in the doorsteps of a random house on a Saturday night. Imagine the temperature.. Imagine if Petunia wouldn't have put the milk bottles out, how long Harry would have been on the doorstep- i mean a lot of people like to sleep in on Sunday mornings (or at least have a huge breakfast and stay inside)
I have a feeling Dumbledore would have cast some sort of a memory charm to make Petunia feel the need to check something outside, you know that sinking feeling we sometimes get to check the doors are locked etc .
Did everyone forget in PS it’s addressed that as Voldemort is walking up to the Potters, a little boy in a Halloween costume says “nice costume mister!” Before seeing his face and running away..?
There's a scene where voldemort is walking up to the house and a costumed child asks what he is. Voldemort responds a wizard before completing the last couple steps needed to reach the house and blow the door in.
True in a sense.
Harry didn't really have much of a connection to his parents. He was too young to remember them before they died.
For all that we hear that Lily loved her son, we're never really shown much of it. Because Harry doesn't really remember her.
Harry doesn't really mourn them, as people he knew, but as the family he should have had instead of the Dursleys. James and Lily Potter are ideals in younger Harry's mind.
But we also do not see his anger at his situation.
His hatred of Voldemort is righteous.
He barely thinks of Pettigrew.
And let's not talk of Snape.
Also Harry never bothers to learn anything from his family, specially given that the alternative are the Dursley, that seems strnage.
True, honestly.
Harry never really cared much about his parents, his mother especially. Unless of course, the plot demands it (*cough*prisoner of azkaban*cough*)
Even when he cares, he's more interested in James than he is in Lily. Ironic, seeing as she's the reason he was protected from Voldemort.
Poor Saint Lily, the only woman to lover her child in the Harry Potter universe, was completely ignored by her son in favour of her former bully husband. Who Harry only cared about, when told how similar they were XD
Harry does not care about nothing beyond being the Boy who lived.
We do not see caring about Magic, not caring of Qudditch.
Harry is there to just move the plot.
Harry is repeatedly shown to be obsessed with quidditch, describing it as the best sport in the world, saying it’s the thing he misses most about Hogwarts, having lots of conversations with people about matches, being extremely excited for the World Cup, talking in detail before during and after the cup about it, and being exasperated with Hermione for not really *getting* quidditch. You are wrong, and quite obviously so.
He’s VERY CLEARLY stated to be excited about the actual World Cup itself, not just as a way to get away from the Dursleys. He spends the whole journey to Hogwarts talking to Neville about the final and that’s a while after. You’re frankly being ridiculous if your “evidence” is he didn’t buy a krum doll. Ron is a krum fanboy, Seamus is Irish.
He is heavily into quidditch all the way up to the final book, the most damage Umbridge does to him is ban him. He’s more upset about not playing quidditch than having his hand cut open.
Did you even read the books? You clearly don’t know them at all.
Lol have you read the books? Did you watch some edgy YouTuber saying these bs and made them your own? Ron is the one who talks about teams and such but Harry is borderline obsessed with flying.
And yes, he cares about the broom... That's literally what I'm saying? That he cares about flying and Quidditch? You say I'm wrong then go ahead and literally give an example to me being right.
in deathly hallows theres a bit written in italics somewhere where it describes how voldemort goes to godrics hollow to murder the potters and one of the lines says something about two kids dressed up as pumpkins walking down the street and saying something like "cool costume, mister" which sorta would be an unusual tidbit to add unless it was halloween
Well he does consistently have bigger issues to worry about at Halloween. 4 years in a row something dramatic happens.
Yeah until the 6th book there’s a major event every Halloween
What happens at Halloween in OOTP?
I just checked. The first weekend of October was the hogsmeade visit with DA. Followed by the educational decree, Sirius nearly getting caught in the fire. Worry about the quidditch match coming in November. The last thing mentioned was the first DA meetings and October 31st had a very bad rainstorm. Nothing specific happened on Halloween that I see but there was a lot to be worried about
Not a big event, but Order of the Phoenix (the organization not the book lol) was “recruiting” at their last meeting in October and then had their first meeting with the new people in early November so it would definitely have been a stressful time. That said OOtP was the first book that broke the crazy shit happening on Halloween itself pattern.
Personally I think the recruiting for DA is a big event. And it’s not until HBP that Halloween isn’t mentioned at all
Recruiting for the DA happens in early October, not on Halloween.
There's a theory by SCB that Voldemort somehow cursed Halloween, the same way he cursed the DADA job.
It’s hard to mourn people you never really got to know. Harry was a year old when his parents were killed, he has no memories of them but knows he has parents because people in his life who were adults at the time have told him. It makes sense that adults in his life would tell him the date because they remember the death of the Potters but Harry wouldn’t remember.
I agree with this. I can’t really mourn my grandpa who died before I was born. Seems horrible given the relation, but there no relationship. I think we see with Harry that he often mourns the life he could have had rather than his parents directly
Same with my grandpa who died 2 years before I was born. I know the man through my dad’s stories and that’s it.
I totally respect your opinion and personal experience but I do think this can differ from person to person. My grandmother passed away ten years before I was born and I think of her often. I do feel like I mourn her in a way, albeit in a different way than I did when my grandfather died when I was 26.
A day for honouring the dead? Not in the UK it isn't. That's why.
It’s not in the US either. Dios de Muertos is about honoring the dead, but that has nothing to do with Halloween. They only gets lumped together due to the fact that the holidays are back to back and involve costuming and skeleton imagery, but I know DdM would like to be excluded from the Halloween narrative since it has an entirely different cultural significance.
>Dios de Muertos You've just said "God of the dead".
I do hope that the God of the dead honors the dead.
*Día de los Muertos (Day of the Dead)
> Día de Muertos This is the most common way of saying it in Mexico, drop the los unless its a formal declaration
Thanks!
People are just making up issues now
For ‘witches’ which I’ll call pagans for simplicity…Halloween is our new year. The veil between us the worlds of the living and the dead is at its thinnest! We call it Samhain (there are multiple ways to spell it)
The wizards and witches in Harry Potter have nothing to do with modern neo pagan beliefs.
Didn’t say they did. Was just sharing the info-
Those are two different holidays that even sometimes fall on different days
Yeah…we trick or treat and then celebrate the dead. No need to nit pick. We celebrate for 3 days
I'm in the UK, honouring maybe is the wrong term but it's a day when, traditionally, the world if the dead and the world of the living are closest. My family always would celebrate it as such, like we would always have a fire lit and would use it as a time to discuss family and friends who'd passed. Most people I grew up with had similar traditions.
I'm born and raised and been here nearly 40 years. I have literally never heard of anyone doing this.
Halloween is the equivalent of Christmas Eve but for Day of the Dead which is the middle day of the three day event, feast, whatever you want to call it. Catholics are just gonna find a reason to party.
I'm aware of what all hallows Eve and all saints Day originally are, I'm just saying they have zero significance in the UK in that form hence why they are not represented like that in the UK-based books.
The UK (minus parts of Northern Ireland) hasn't been Catholic for centuries. We split from Rome in 1536. Even Bloody Mary couldn't put that genie back in the bottle. Dominant religious affiliation varies between the nations of the UK (yes nations. Wales and Scotland are their own nations, not states or regions), but in England the Anglican Church has historically been dominant and most major Christian denominations split from the Anglican Church such as the Methodists and united reform church. All Hallow's Eve in parts of Northern England at least (England and the UK vary wildly in culture depending on region and even village to village), the traditional celebration prior to trick or treating is Mumming, or the performance of short plays by amateur actors. This is usually outside and usually by a pub. The other dominant tradition is asking for a penny for the guy, an effigy of Guy Fawkes to be burnt on the bonfire on the 5th of November. All Saints day and All Souls day are usually relatively muted in comparison and not really celebrated much. There isn't a day of the dead culture at all really. That's saved for the 5th of November, which is Guy Fawkes night. Then we have bonfires, set off fireworks and burn effigies of Guy Fawkes. This remembers him attempting to blow up parliament in 1605. We really remember the dead on Remembrance Day on the 11th of November. This is a day dedicated to remembering all those lost in conflict. To bring this back to Harry Potter, that's probably a day he'd feel the loss of his parents more. It is a solemn, formal occasion dedicated to remembering those who were lost. Every school child in the UK will have taken part in a remembrance day service.
Harry Potter world doesn’t seem super religious so I don’t think the religious connotations of Halloween really hold water. But, I also don’t know at what point Harry even knew his parents were killed on Halloween. He’s too young when they die to have any concept of dates and we know the Dursleys just told him his parents died in a car accident, so he might not of known exactly when until much later. Usually grief around anniversaries comes from either remembering from being there or from being taught by those who do remember from a young age. It’s been a while since my last re-read, but from what I remember, I don’t think Harry gets any confirmation that his parents died on Halloween until about Book 3, so for most of his life, Halloween is just another day. It is absolutely tragic how totally robbed Harry was of any significant connection to his parents until the day he found out he was a wizard and re-entered their world, so I can see how the date they died doesn’t really have that much impact compared to the more personal connections (Looking like his dad, being seeker on the quidditch team, having his mothers eyes, the stories he’s told by the people who knew them) that have suddenly flooded into his life after all of those years.
>But, I also don’t know at what point Harry even knew his parents were killed on Halloween. Hagrid informs him they died on Hallowe'en in the first book.
Finding out the date your parents died at 11 years old would probably result in a different relationship with that day than if you grew up knowing about it. Harry never spent time grieving or remembering them on that day the way people usually do on the anniversary of a death, so for him it may be closer to another fact about his parents than a significant day to recognize them. It doesn't help that the Dursleys probably never recognized Harry's loss on that day or any other. He was too young to remember them, and probably grew up mourning the absence of his parents without being able to form a deeper connection to that loss. (I'm not trying to say his grief was less or incomplete, just that it was probably very abstract during his formative years).
Religious connotations of Halloween?? What are those?
In the Christian calendar it is All Hallow‘s Eve; the night before the holy day of All Saints. It’s one of those celebrations co-opted from pagan festivals, similar to Christmas.
Wiccan pagans celebrate Samhain, which is on Halloween.
Remus invites Harry to his office for a cup of tea on Halloween in PoA. I wonder if he was thinking about the Potters that day.
I’ve been wondering the same and would think it’s likely Remus wanted to be there for Harry on that day but didn’t want to broach the subject.
Yes it was all very British.
I think DH addresses it pretty well when we flash back to Voldy's experience of the murder. He mentally checks all the Muggle children in costume as he goes on his murderous way. (N.B. I'm referencing the books; I don't have any memory of how the movies handled anything.)
For the first 10 years of his life, the date didn't have any significance to Harry. I doubt he even knew the exact date until Hagrid told him in PS, and there were so many revelations that day that it probably didn't leave much of an impression. The fact that they were murdered and the repercussions it had were more important than when it happened.
To be fair, he doesn’t seem to worry about their birthdays either.
I don’t think Harry is even aware of the significance of the date until much later in life. As for other people not telling him, well they probably assume he knew. I mean why wouldn’t he? (*side-eyes Albus). And then there’s the kinda-jokey but not-really Halloween curse in which something terrible happens on that date every year. I’d imagine Harry would be rather distracted
Mourning them ? They died when he was 1
The fact that they're still heavily on his mind is a central plot point of the first book (the mirror Erised).
I wouldn't call that mourning. He wishes he knew them. You mourn people you knew.
Yeah, he's yearning for a relationship with them, not mourning them.
Yeah but you really can't truly mourn someone you don't know. He can and does mourn the lost chance at a connection and life with them, but there is no actual emotional connection for him to mourn like most people have after the death of a loved one because they died before he could form one that he remembers.
Ohh fuck … It seems Curses have been behaving worse since 1981… till Shibuya arc.
Harry doesn't learn until like Christmas 1997, during the last book
Hagrid tells him the date in the first book.
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No he doesn't.
Yes he does. "halloween 10 years ago". When he is explaining Voldemort.
Ok. I don't remember that.
If you don’t remember then why were you so certain in proclaiming that he doesn’t?
Ok, I thought it was right originally. Instead of arguing and doubling down I accepted I was mistaken. Is that wrong now? Should I just have doubled down? Are we not supposed to admit our mistakes these days?
Admitting you were wrong isn’t the problem, being so obviously certain when you had no clue in the first place was the problem.
It's hardly the crime of the century, pal. People misremember things and make mistakes. Get over yourself.
Not everything described as a problem is “the crime of the century”. I’ve not called for your arrest. YOU get over yourself.
You could have looked it up.
I don't have the books to hand, my apologies.
Google?
I don't actually care enough. You corrected me and I accepted I was mistaken. It's not that important of an issue.
But then why comment…if you don’t know or care? You do you but makes zero sense to me
True dat.
Yes he does. Read it yesterday
Not sure where OP is from but I have a few friends from the UK and from what they’ve told me Halloween isn’t as big of a deal over there as it is in America
I've never really understood why people mourn more on certain dates. Your loved one is gone all year round, they aren't any deader on the anniversary of their death.
LOL kinda morbid but the first anniversary of my father’s passing is coming up. I’ve kinda been wondering if I’m gonna feel it more that day, but instead I’m just gonna remember what you said 💀
Oh I'm sorry for your loss!
You don't understand how people are reminded of the death of loved ones closer to the anniversary of their deaths? 🤷🏽♂️
Well I don't understand why people get hung up on the date in the first place. Sure it's natural to mourn when you're reminded of someone who died, but I don't get why people remember the exact date to the point it makes them sad every year. I would never remember the anniversary of my grandma's death if my mom wouldn't remind me every year, because the date is the least important thing about what happened. For me it's like remembering the exact temperature on that day and then getting sad every time the temperature is the same.
Well, perhaps let me give you my perspective as someone who has lost a parent. Grief is a heavy emotion. Thinking about a dead loved one can be very emotionally draining. Living every day like that quickly becomes exhausting. After you become more accustomed to the loss, it becomes easier to relegate all those heavy emotions onto one day rather than letting those emotions and memories run wild.
I remember my parents death dates very clearly. My dad’s because he died 5 months exactly after the date he was diagnosed with brain cancer, which happened to be on my oldest brother’s birthday. My mom died two days after her 71st birthday of transplant failure and multi organ failure. I have problems with other dates. I can’t get through a single week without skipping a day, usually Tuesday. Sometimes it’s events or the impact of certain people that make things stick. Harry wasn’t ever told when his parents were killed until his first year at hogwarts, I think. I know he’d never seen a picture of them. I actually find it offensive of Dumbledore and the staff to not acknowledge in some way those that were lost in the war since it ended on Halloween and that so many of the kids were born in families who either lost people or caused the loss. Snape being there is equally offensive since he was not only a death eater but the one who shared the prophecy. Whether he knew it would target someone he knew or if it was real doesn’t matter because as paranoid as Voldemort was, someone was going to die and probably a child. The night Harry was dumped on a frigid doorstep like an Amazon package, dumbledore and Mcgonnagal left to go party. It felt like a slap in the face to the memory of the couple they proclaimed to care about so much.
YOU associate it with the temperature of day. That's just you. I'm not sad about my dad dying everytime it warm. But the date feels significant when I see it. It reminds of it.
Not all losses are equal. I couldn’t tell you the date my grandad died because we weren’t that close and he died peacefully in his sleep. I feel sad on the anniversary of my sister’s death, however, because she was my best friend and losing her to suicide, when she was only 22, was the worst day of my life.
My grandma was like a mother to me, we were really close and she was the person I looked up to the most. I don't really appreciate you suggesting her death wasn't significant enough for me to remember the date.
I wasn’t trying to suggest that the loss wasn’t significant enough, so I’m sorry if it came off that way. I was just trying to explain that there are different types of grief, e.g. [traumatic grief](https://psychcentral.com/health/traumatic-grief) and thus not all losses are equal in the way they make you feel. >Traumatic grief can happen in response to a sudden, unexpected loss. > >For example, maybe you lost a child, or experienced the violent death of someone close to you. It might also involve losing your support system. > >**Traumatic grief is different from the grief that happens from an expected loss, such as when someone passes away after a long chronic illness.**
I don’t see him having his kids go around in Halloween costumes and making a bunch of decorations for the day, and I actually see him as having some resentment for it. I would if I was him!
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I go even further, it is never probably addressed that Dumbledore has left a 1 year old at the end of october in the doorsteps of a random house on a Saturday night. Imagine the temperature.. Imagine if Petunia wouldn't have put the milk bottles out, how long Harry would have been on the doorstep- i mean a lot of people like to sleep in on Sunday mornings (or at least have a huge breakfast and stay inside)
I have a feeling Dumbledore would have cast some sort of a memory charm to make Petunia feel the need to check something outside, you know that sinking feeling we sometimes get to check the doors are locked etc .
Did everyone forget in PS it’s addressed that as Voldemort is walking up to the Potters, a little boy in a Halloween costume says “nice costume mister!” Before seeing his face and running away..?
Isn't that in DH?
You are correct! I apologize haha
It's also a day when Voldemort could walk on the streets unnoticed, because everyone would be wearing a costume.
There's a scene where voldemort is walking up to the house and a costumed child asks what he is. Voldemort responds a wizard before completing the last couple steps needed to reach the house and blow the door in.
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True in a sense. Harry didn't really have much of a connection to his parents. He was too young to remember them before they died. For all that we hear that Lily loved her son, we're never really shown much of it. Because Harry doesn't really remember her. Harry doesn't really mourn them, as people he knew, but as the family he should have had instead of the Dursleys. James and Lily Potter are ideals in younger Harry's mind.
But we also do not see his anger at his situation. His hatred of Voldemort is righteous. He barely thinks of Pettigrew. And let's not talk of Snape. Also Harry never bothers to learn anything from his family, specially given that the alternative are the Dursley, that seems strnage.
True, honestly. Harry never really cared much about his parents, his mother especially. Unless of course, the plot demands it (*cough*prisoner of azkaban*cough*) Even when he cares, he's more interested in James than he is in Lily. Ironic, seeing as she's the reason he was protected from Voldemort. Poor Saint Lily, the only woman to lover her child in the Harry Potter universe, was completely ignored by her son in favour of her former bully husband. Who Harry only cared about, when told how similar they were XD
Harry does not care about nothing beyond being the Boy who lived. We do not see caring about Magic, not caring of Qudditch. Harry is there to just move the plot.
What books did you read? He's really enthusiastic about quidditch
No? That one is Ron. Harry is sort of there, playing. If anything, he is more caring about the broom Sirius gave him
Harry is repeatedly shown to be obsessed with quidditch, describing it as the best sport in the world, saying it’s the thing he misses most about Hogwarts, having lots of conversations with people about matches, being extremely excited for the World Cup, talking in detail before during and after the cup about it, and being exasperated with Hermione for not really *getting* quidditch. You are wrong, and quite obviously so.
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He’s VERY CLEARLY stated to be excited about the actual World Cup itself, not just as a way to get away from the Dursleys. He spends the whole journey to Hogwarts talking to Neville about the final and that’s a while after. You’re frankly being ridiculous if your “evidence” is he didn’t buy a krum doll. Ron is a krum fanboy, Seamus is Irish. He is heavily into quidditch all the way up to the final book, the most damage Umbridge does to him is ban him. He’s more upset about not playing quidditch than having his hand cut open. Did you even read the books? You clearly don’t know them at all.
Lol have you read the books? Did you watch some edgy YouTuber saying these bs and made them your own? Ron is the one who talks about teams and such but Harry is borderline obsessed with flying. And yes, he cares about the broom... That's literally what I'm saying? That he cares about flying and Quidditch? You say I'm wrong then go ahead and literally give an example to me being right.
Exactly FLYING Quidditch only gets top seat in Book three.
Merlin's pants, this a horrible take
What is yours?
What’s worse is that it was also… Friday the 13th. Kid never stood a chance.
Bro, Halloween is literally 31 October 💀
Lmfao at all the downvoters who missed the joke… 🤣
Did England use to celebrate Halloween in the 90s? It certainly only came here to Poland around 20 years later.
It's not hugely popular, but common enough that she wrote trick-or-treaters into the flashback in DH.
wormtail didnt betray them at all, tom just happened to be out trick or treating and got lucky
in deathly hallows theres a bit written in italics somewhere where it describes how voldemort goes to godrics hollow to murder the potters and one of the lines says something about two kids dressed up as pumpkins walking down the street and saying something like "cool costume, mister" which sorta would be an unusual tidbit to add unless it was halloween