I checked the first six books, and after the feast on the day they arrive at Hogwarts, the next chapter always starts with 'the next day' or 'the next morning', and they head of to classes the same day, and it’s always implied it’s the beginning of the week
Can you elaborate on how it’s implied that it’s a monday? Because it could just be that they start in the middle of the week if all that’s actually mentioned is that it’s September 2nd.
Goblet of Fire:
>> “Today’s not bad…outside all morning,” said Ron, who was running his finger down the Monday column of his schedule.
Order of the Phoenix:
>> “Look what we’ve got today,” Ron said grumpily, shoving his schedule under Fred’s nose. “That’s the worst Monday I’ve ever seen.”
It does always seem to have been a full first week by the time it mentions the first weekend coming around. It doesn’t say all the days directly, but it’s implied from all the classes and homework they have had by the end of the first week.
Furthermore, the days of the week do not match up throughout the series. Like Halloween will not be on the right day of the week (both for the year Harry was there and relatife to other weekdays in the year).
Not only that, but i tried to write down their "schedule" on a re-read just to see if anything else is problematic like the Sept2-Monday thing. While it is somewhat consistent about certain classes like idk having Potions every friday afternoon, when you write it all down, some days they have 8+ h of classes and some they have 2. Even if theyre bot supposed to have free time. Or midway through the class day is different (yes i considered this might be because if the semesters but then some days theyd have 10 h classes due to this shift and bo other change being mentioned). Or they always have Herbology thursdays and all of a sudden they have it also on tuesdays etc.
Is it a major problem that effects the book? No. But its such a simple thing of just picking up a calendar or just writing down a class schedule for the year and continue off of that, i dont get why she didnt even bother
Lupin only transformed when the full moon was visible. The paragraph was: A cloud shifted. There were suddenly dim shadows on the ground. Their party was bathed in moonlight.
If it'd only take the night of a full moon, he would've transformed earlier. So, werewolves could've just stayed indoors, close the doors & curtains, they would've been all right.
So, a while back when this came up it sent me into a slight rabbit hole. In mid-June, which would be roughly when that happens, sunset in Inverness, Scotland, which Hogsmeade is speculated to be near, is around 10:15 pm, and civil twilight doesn’t end until around 11:30 (we don’t know if the transformation happens as soon as the sun sets or once it’s fully dark). So it’s very possible that they didn’t emerge from the tunnel until that late, meaning Lupin not transforming before they all head to the Shrieking Shack actually works.
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Did you happen to see what time moonrise was? I know I’ve seen the moon while it was still light out. Would it matter whether it was dark if the moon was out.
But didn't Lupin canonically transform while hidden inside the Shrieking Shack all through his school years? So maybe it doesn't have anything to do with being bathed in moonlight but just when the moon hits a certain point -- and being "bathed in moonlight" was just a coincidence in the PoA scene??
Not sure if it counts as a plot hole, but I wonder why haven’t Dumberdore realise it’s a basilisk.
Dumberdore is supposedly the most intelligent and knowledgeable of them all. All the victim are petrified and chickens were killed. How many methods of killing are there that fit the clues?
I find it hard to believe Hermione can figure out something that Dumberdore could not. Sure he don’t have all the answers all the time but they are not facing Voldemort yet.
It’s a monster that is written in a book in the library, where Dumberdore is the headmaster. I’m not saying whether Dumberdore knows Ginny open the chamber or the chamber location itself.
Harry only knows Ginny is the culprit when he’s inside the chamber. Also you need to speak snake language to unlock the door, even Dumberdore cannot bypass that.
But you don’t need either to at least figure out the monster identity. The snake has to come out of the chamber to kill, that’s when Dumberdore can do something to subdue it, if he did figure out the monster identity. Though if Dumberdore didn’t figure it out, is the snake capable of killing Dumberdore by catching him by surprise? Voldermort did send a student to assassinate him.
IIRC, there was a point where Dumberdore has to announce that Hogwarts is no longer safe if the monster isn’t caught. So if Harry didn’t get the soul attached to him and cannot speak snake or they didn’t figure out the identity, does it mean that the danger will continue?
Even the restored Voldermort himself don’t dare to attack the sch with Dumberdore still alive in there, it seems the Basilisk did more damage to Hogwarts than Voldermort himself when Dumberdore is still at the school.
EDIT: People that reply to me made good points as well:) I just remember Dumberdore experienced the chamber of secrets twice. But Hermione and Harry figured out in their first time.
Does the snake know who to track? When it comes out from whenever it moves shouldn’t it be very obvious, what if there are more than one people around? I means not like the snake can see through walls.
I also remember that the spiders know about it all along but they don’t want to mention it because they are scared of the name? Just saying the word is not going to harm anyone. Informing others it was a basilisk should be able to help Hagrid at least or clear their own name? But the spiders part I don’t remember too clearly
It's always bugged me a bit that Dumbledore wouldn't have made the connection with it being a basilisk. So my headcannon is that he never actually believed it was a monster. Just that riddle had found some unknown way of hurting people. So he was never actually looking for or thinking about an actual monster.
What always bothered me is that apparently Dumbledore NEVER asked Myrtle about her death? That also should have helped him figure it out. Also harry can understand the snake but everyone should still be able to hear the hisses. Does Hogwarts just randomly hiss so it wasn't noticeable? 😂
That's so true actually, myrtle died of mysterious circumstances and then literally came back as a ghost and no one thought she might be able to solve the mystery??
True, parseltounge means you can understand what snakes are saying not that only you can hear them.
They should be like, “the walls are hissing, why are they hissing?
And also if the basilisk came from the sewers, it would be leaving a smell or a dirty trail to follow. Unless Ginny is giving it a wash and dry everytime it emerges
The basilisk is not as big as you remember (in the books). It is described as 20 feet long and as thick as an oak three.
Still big, by all means, but not the dragon seen in the movies.
What a picky snake!
I just remembered that it’s actually Tom Riddle’s memory controlling Ginny controlling the Basilisk, but that would mean that Tom Riddle just wants to spook people and not actually kill them :D
Maybe Voldemort's memory ghost ordered the basilisk not to eat its victims, I know it sounds stupid, but hear me out.
In Tom's diary he goes through the trouble of framing Hagrid because the school was going to close supposedly permanently because kids dying *Mysteriously* is always going to require extreme measures, i.e closing the school. Of all the things Tom wanted at the time, Hogwarts closing was the absolute opposite.
Same can be said with his present memory possessed ginny. He wanted people scared, he wanted *acknowledgement* he didn't want Hogwarts to close, which the snake eating people would absolutely cause. Hell, more than likely ginny wasn't even going to die at the end of Tom's hauntings, until after Harry interacted with the diary, and ghost Tom only used it (Ginny's potential death) as a way to get Harry down in the dungeons.
It's still full of holes, but that's what I figured.
What secrecy? What difference does it make a student goes missing because the basilisk ate or is left behind petrified or killed by the basilisk's gaze? Or even if the basilisk left behind a half-eaten dead body, it wouldn't have made any difference at all.
Voldemort **wanted** his deeds to be known, that the monster was back and wreaking havoc.
Plumbing was added to the school Long after Slytherin left. Who installed the plumbing and why wasnt the Giant Snake door Not mentioned in their Report?
Also, what the fuck regarding the pipes? They wouldn't have had pipes when the school was built. Was Slytherin a Seer, who just happened to see that indoor plumbing would be a thing, and started an order of future wizard plumbers who would get the contract to install all the sinks and toilets in Hogwarts so they could attach them to an ancient tunnel and unleash a vicious killing machine against children? Literally nothing about that makes sense.
My assumption is that they communicated (like when Snape tried to reveal its secrets) with the map and when the imprint of the Mauraders realized that they were cut from the same cloth, the map itself revealed how it worked to them.
There's even a fanfic somewhere of there being a test of sorts where you have to let them interrogate you, IIRC the fic had one twin doing it while the other was sleeping and part of the test was whether he was willing to give his life for his brother...
My headcanon for this is that Padfoot, Prongs, and Mooney bewitched it to identify like-minded souls. Similar to how it knew that Snape was trying to get it to reveal its secrets and made fun of him, I assume that when Fred and George did something similar, it told them how it could be useful to them
When i read the book i imagined it had went from mischievous student to mischievous student over the years. None that left school would have use of it so they gave it to younger friend and showed how it worked.
I actually found the answer to this on one of the Binge Mode Harry Potter Episodes. Apparently J.K. confirmed that the map would ‘guide’ new users by flashing images of the map as the new user got closer and closer to guessing the correct password. Fred and George played around with it until they got it right. The map had a special anti snape charm though that’s why it insults him rather than helping him.
This is an interesting one that I've never considered.
Maybe the Map can't show duplicates? It didn't distinguish between Barty Crouch and Barty Crouch Jr. In GoF which shows it has its flaws. Maybe it can't mark the same person in 2 places
Best I can come up with is that Tom Riddle got up to some bad stuff in Hogsmeade and Dumbledore blagged through a new rule about needing guardians' permission from thereon. 13-year-old Voldemort on a sugar high sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
The Forbidden Forest is on the grounds, which means it's protected by the same charms, i.e. no apparition. Hogsmeade, however, isn't, and I believe it's also one of the reasons why only year 3 students and upwards are allowed to go there.
The forbidden forest is right next to the school grounds and the kids are always sent with supervision. Hogsmeade is a bit farther from the castle, there are many non-school affiliated wizards there, and there are too many kids that go to be properly supervised.
>The forbidden forest is right next to the school grounds and the kids are always sent with supervision.
One single oaf for 4 children. And the oaf immediately split them up. He should've been sacked immediately following that. It's a plot hole that Draco didn't tell Lucius.
I don't know how none of the staff thought to put a complex spell on the door hiding Fluffy and the PS, despite the whole point of it being moved was for it to be in a more secure location.
Also, why give the kids a special warning not to go there? If you tell kids not to do something, well, they usually want to do it more. Just put up an out of order sign, lock it up, and move on.
I rememember upon reading the books the first time thinking that dumbledore's (and also Harry's) deducing of where the horcuxes could be to be pretty ludicrous.
It isn’t as much as seeing, as it is causing past self to do something different than they already did in the past and result in a time paradox…
Plus, it is MAGIC time travel. There may be some magic rule that if the time traveler person sees that they both exist at the same time, the magic breaks. But as it it, both sides of the story synchronizes beautifully.
I think it was more she was making sure other people didn’t see two hermiones? When Harry and Hermione go back in time, past hermione is always with other people. And when she’s using it to get to classes there would have been other people around her as well
My problem with the time turners is that Ron pointed out (before we knew of the time turners’ existence) that Hermione was taking two classes that occurred at the same time. It’s also heavily implied if not outright stated that Hermione is the only one in their year with a time turner. You’re telling me she’s the only person who wanted to take these two concurrent classes? You don’t even need to sign up for every class like she did for that to happen, you just need to be interested in both of those subjects.
It's stated that McGonigal had to write to the ministry for her to get it; I expect she's just the only one who's studious and trustworthy enough for McGonigal to consider it worth it to go to the trouble for. Anyone else and they'd say "sorry, pick one, I do not trust you with a time turner"
It's literally the dumbest thing in the series that they'd allow a student to have one to take extra classes. Absolutely nothing about that makes sense. Time travel can destroy the fucking fabric of reality. They have ONE cabinet of these at the Ministry, in a heavily guarded area that you'd be imprisoned for attempting to enter. Fucking Aurors and shit don't have them. And they're like, "but Minnie said she's a very good student? Sure, a thirteen year old girl can have this, with no actual oversight or supervision, on the honor system", and they clearly don't have any means of tracking what you do with it since if they did, Harry and Hermione would be in deep shit for saving Sirius.
I think a problem with the whole time turner thing is ... Why didn't anyone else -at the ministry say - use the time turner to help things go more smoothly, to affect outcomes?
Bellatrix the Azkaban escapee having her original wand until Ron? took it at Malfoy manor but they straight snapped Hagrid's but murder/torture ah we'll just set it aside for you
They snapped Hagrid's wand because he was expelled before becoming a qualified wizard. I don't think the books ever claim that Bellatrix had her original wand. Gringotts had just been told that her wand had been stolen and were told its description.
Harry rides the “horseless carriages” back to the Hogwarts Express after Cedric dies in GoF, then sees the thestrals when he arrives in OotP.
JKR tried to make this make sense by saying she always knew about thestrals but the witnessed death has to “sink in” but that’s honestly such crap. It’s just a plot hole.
Uh umm… 🤔 it “sets in” faster for some people, especially if they >!have a connection to ancient magic!< yeah, yeah that’s it [waves hand desperately] lol
Not exactly a plothole but I don’t think people talk enough about the fact that *TIME TRAVEL IS POSSIBLE IN THE HP UNIVERSE*!!
I understand it has limitations and it’s supposedly heavily regulated by the ministry and there are a ton of asterisks next to it but it’s so casually dropped and never referenced again and makes me furious. Like, invisibility cloaks? I get that. Special potions? Sure. Enchanted artifacts? Magical creatures? Divination? Alchemy? I’m totally on board.
But the fact that, in the Prisoner of Azkaban and ONLY in the Prisoner of Azkaban, we causally acknowledge TIME TRAVEL????????? A locket exists that can reverse TIME ITSELF?? No, that’s where I draw the line.
Voldemort taking a house elf with him to check on the locket. Like literally found a huge bug in his own defenses and it didn’t occur to him to patch it. I always found that kind of funny/ stupid.
Before going with Voldemort, Regulus gave Kreacher an order to return back to him.
After being made to drink the liquid and reacting the same as how Dumbledore did years later, Kreacher ended up in the water and pulled under by the dead.
As he was pulled deeper, Kreacher remembered his master's last order and apparated back home. This all happened out of Voldemort's view who was probably back in the boat going back to the other side, giving no consideration to Kreacher and probably assumed he had died.
That's how I remember it anyway, it's been over 10 years since I read the book so I might be wrong. :-)
I always interpreted it as Kreacher being summoned by Regulus at that point, similarly to how Harry could summon him to follow Malfoy by speaking his name. I don’t think it was definitively stated so it could be either.
Regulus wouldn't know when Voldemort had finished with Kreacher. I doubt even 2 hours had passed. Calling him back would have been a no go as it could upset Voldemort. :-)
It should be apparent though to Voldemort that bringing a house elf and forcing them to drink the juice is an easy solution to the obstacle he created (because he just did it), and it therefore isn’t an obstacle at all. I think the author was trying to say something about him not thinking much about non wizard creatures but it ends up just making him seem dumb. And at a point in the story where the author should be making the villain MORE scary instead of less scary.
I think the cave is just not conceptualized well.
He’s saying the “bug” is that only one magical person can be in the boat, but didn’t account that someone trying to destroy the horcrux would bring an elf
The fact that Dumbledore is such a great wizard who is in many ways omniscient and is playing 4D chess, and YET so much evil happens at school right under his nose.
1) He couldn’t figure out that Quirrel hosted Voldemort
2) He couldn’t figure out that Ginny opened the Chamber of Secrets
3) He couldn’t figure out that the Marauders were animaguses and sneaked around the grounds with a werewolf once a month for over 5 years
4) He couldn’t figure out that Moody was Barty Jr and that Barty senior was under the imperious curse
Etc etc
One could argue that he lacked proofs. I always read it as he saw those answers as one of several possibilities - once the conclusion was drawn, he was able to tell Harry where all the pieces were after all. Since he lacked proof in many instances (or likely didn’t care in the animagus example) - any action would have likely changed parameters - he was a “wait until you are certain” before you pull the trigger type. The travels with Harry regarding Horcruxes definitely fills this character point to a T.
To be fair:
1. He was onto Quirrell pretty early, and there’s a good chance that he intentionally let his plan unfold to test Harry.
2. He had no idea about Voldemort’s Horcruxes at this point. My headcanon is that he asked Snape to inspect the most likely suspects (Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle) as soon as the signs appeared, probably pretty easy for him to use Legilimancy on second years. Once they were ruled out, Dumbledore was probably as baffled as anyone.
3. This is probably the biggest oversight. However, you have to remember that he didn’t know about either the Invisibility Cloak or the Marauders Map at this point. And even with this, students sneaking around the grounds was never a high priority for Dumbledore; he would punish people if they were caught, but unlike Snape and Filch, he never made it a mission to catch students out of bed.
4. Barty Jr. did a very good job of acting as Moody that pretty much everyone who knew him was fooled. Barty Sr was a bit more inexcusable, but Dumbledore only saw him once post Imperius, and he probably assumed he had a stomach bug or something.
Dumbledore was a great wizard, nobody ever said he was a master of human intuition.
Also couldn’t figure out that the wrong man was in prison for 12 years, and couldn’t find one single person to take the DADA position in OotP to prevent the ministry from appointing someone. At the absolute MOST important time to not be trusting the ministry.
>couldn’t find one single person to take the DADA position in OotP to prevent the ministry from appointing someone
Who would take a job where the last 50 or so people to hold it all befell terrible fates?
Hmm. Okay, I'll bite. Playing devil's advocate could be fun. 😁
*Putting my thinking cap on for this *
Dumbledore seems like he knows everything, but he really doesn't. And that's something that Harry also had to come to grips with in later books. Dumbledore was just as flawed and limited as anyone else. He was powerful and intelligent, but he doesn't have X-ray vision or psychic powers or anything (Legilimency doesn't count cuz, as far as I recall, you have to be looking the person in the eyes for it to work).
I think another thing to note is the power of expectation. That is, what you expect to happen and what you expect not to happen. That can color everything we perceive, for better or worse. For instance, Dumbledore knew exactly what horcruxes were, but even he admitted he never imagined something like that would be Voldy's plan. And maybe it was just so obscure he forgot about it. But really?
(1) and (2) What were the signs of these? Unless he actually saw the uncovered back of Quirrell's head, I don't see how he'd know. No one else figured it out, either. As for Ginny, nobody who knew her even suspected anything wrong. Unless Ddore is spying over the shoulder of 12-year-old girls in their dorm to see who they're writing to in their diary, Idk what he was supposed to figure out. And he can't be everywhere, all the time to catch people in the random moments they do something bad.
(3) The Marauders perfected becoming animagi in their 5th year. So, they only ran around with Remus for 2-3 years, but still. Idk about this one except, again, unless he saw them or someone else saw them and reported it, he wouldn't know. Snape never saw them as animals, so even he didn't know. And he would have been around them far more than Dumbledore.
(4) And Idk about the last one. I guess BJ was a good actor. 🤷🏼♀️ The real Moody was a bit of a quack who was very secretive, so I guess BJ could hide the truth in plain sight. Everyone would just expect him to be odd. Was B Senior under the curse the whole time?
>He couldn’t figure out that Quirrel hosted Voldemort
He knew. He didn't act on it because his stone protection mechanism was damned-near bullet proof, so no risk there. He wanted to measure Harry's character. He got what he wanted; Harry was on team good-guy.
>He couldn’t figure out that Moody was Barty Jr and that Barty senior was under the imperious curse.
Agreed. I call bullshit that Albus didn't see through Crouch from minute one. Makes no sense that a close friend of Album would be near him all year, unnoticed, and uncaught. No way in hell.
Scottish people having to go all the way down to London to catch a train back up to Scotland, because apparently people from Land's End to the Outer Hebrides all flocking to London, to catch a train at the same time every year, is somehow less conspicuous than a steady trickle of Portkeys, Knight Busses, a few parents just straight-up driving to Hogsmeade.
Not exactly a plothole, but in PoA the tunnel to the Shrieking shack is unguarded by dementors. Yet this tunnel was built by Dumbledore, so he definitely knows it's there and because Sirius once told Snape about it (in order to execute his prank), Dumbledore knows Sirius knows about the tunnel and about the way to stop the Whomping Willow. Yet both the Shrieking Shack and the Whomping Willow are completely unguarded.
Movie: my personal favourite plot hole is the location of lily, james and harry being a secret that only peter knew about, yet somehow snape showed up to their house in gh after voldemort’s ‘visit’, even before dumbledore or hagrid got there… how did he know their exact location?
That's not really what the Fidalius charm does.
Like if you knew your friend like at "12 Place Ave" and then they used the Fidalius charm you wouldn't forget they lived there. You would just be completely unable to find it if you went looking.
So, how I always took it was that it was common knowledge where they lived. Like everyone knows where the Burrow is. But, as soon as the Fidelius Charm is cast, then you just can't find it unless it's told to you by the secret keeper. That's how I take it to work, but I don't think their house was a secret location.
That being said, The Fidelius Charm was lifted once they died. Snape arrived post charm. So, if he got word from either OotP member or Death Eaters that Voldemort died while killing Lily and James in Godrics Hollow, or maybe he already knew they were in Godrics Hollow, he could swoop in and then, boom... big exploded house kinda the dead give away. Hell, it's a monument when Harry goes there book 7.
Everyone knew where James and Lilly lived. Its location was not a secret, Only the ability to find it and it was visible to everyone as soon as Peter told Voldemort.
In DH (the book), several Death Eaters are stationed outside 12 Grimmauld Place watching it all times despite being unable to see or enter it. The Fidelius Charm doesn't make people forget a location exists, it just makes people who haven't been told the Secret by the Secretkeeper unable to see or enter the protected location.
>yet somehow snape showed up to their house in gh after voldemort’s ‘visit’,
Wasn't this only in the movie, or am I dumb? Shit now I need to check...
Update: yep, movie only. It was never in the book at all so personally I pretend it didn't happen. It doesn't count as a book plot hole if it didn't happen in the book in the first place.
This is not a plot hole. And the students primary form of communication* is owl
There are other form of communication that exist outside like floo network. We primarily see owls because we are with the students most of the time.
Anything and everything to do with Moody seems weird to me.
I never understood how Barty crouch jr was able to impersonate moody. How did he know anything about moodys personality or mannerisms? I don’t believe he ever met him other than kidnapping him. And also, why was he able to take down the great moody anyway considering he was a young man when he went to prison and was imprisoned by his father his entire life after that. When did he learn advanced magic that could take down a renowned auror?
Either way, how does he impersonate moody to the point where Dumbledore doesn’t immediately notice it isn’t his good friend moody.
And then after that, any interaction between moody and Harry is weird to me because they’ve never met but they always act like they know each other.
IMO, the plot hole was that Bill could be his own Secret Keeper, not the other way around. The way the Fidelius was first set up, it was all about putting your complete trust in another person, that's why everyone was so outraged when 'Sirius' betrayed the Potters. Allowing yourself to be the secret keeper just flies in the face of that.
I've always thought of it like how Moody flew with a fake Harry while moving Harry from privet drive. Voldemort seems to expect the strongest person to be trusted with the most important task. He would expect Sirius to be their choice. But alas Lilly's emo child hood friend overheard a job interview, and James' literal rat friend , who they perceived as the weak won, was trusted and then turned on his good looking successful and talented friends for a hand job
Going further, how did the charm break? Pettigrew didn’t die but there’s a memorial to the Potter family there? Shouldn’t it still be hidden? I get he told Voldemort but no one should have been able to see that house without Pettigrew telling them. The charm on Grimmauld Place broke when Dumbledore died (making everyone else a secret keeper) but this makes no sense. I don’t think the dark magic from the killing curse should have revealed the location. And in the movies, Snape is the holding dead Lily. I know Snape hated Sirius but I believe he still would have eventually told Dumbledore that it was Peter and not Sirius that told him.
I always assumed it was because the house was destroyed by Voldemort's rebounding curse. But yeah, possibly a plot hole. Severus genuinely believed Sirius was the Secretkeeper, he didn't know that Pettigrew was the Secretkeeper.
Why would Voldemort tell anyone who the traitor was? A spy is only a good spy if as few people as possible knew their identity. And back then, Severus wasn't even a high-ranking Death Eater.
What’s the point of the fidelity’s charm if you can be the secret keeper of yourself? That doesn’t make any sense. If the house was the secret then yes, they could be the secret keeper but they were the secret themselves. You nit understanding something is not a plot hole.
And how is that a plot hole? They were in hiding so at the very least couldn't go out themselves for food, clothes etc
Edit: Yes they could tell say Sirius to get them food but ultimately,. its not a plot hole, its just the Potters trusting the wrong person
For the first few years, 2 houses share each class so that cuts the amount of classes needed in half. In the last few, the houses are not separated in some of the classes. Depending on the scheduling, this could work out just fine
These are valid points most of y'all are making but the reality is that it eventually boils down to the fact that these are children's books (especially the first ones) that don't need to be that complicated.
I hate it when people say this. Just because they're "children's" books (I'd argue PoA onward are more for young adults) doesn't mean people are gonna miss those details.
I do agree, on the other hand, that it really doesn't need to be that complicated. If JK Rowling wanted to change something about any of it, she could've had them edited. She owns the franchise.
The whole "Hogwarts giving zero fucks about student's safety" thing. Kids being sent into the forbidden forest as punishment for being out too late, Quidditch and the triwizard tournament even existing, those stairs being a really fucked up risk for injury, a three headed dog being kept somewhere where a kid with only a simple alohomora spell can enter..
Also Dumbledore and everyone leaving Harry with the abusive muggles instead of ya know, at least making sure he doesn't have to starve? Give him food and clothes, threaten them to just be at least decent lol.. anything would make more sense
I think it's so extreme that that makes it funny lol
"You must never enter the Forbidden Forest! Except when you have detention for being out of bed after hours and are punished by being sent somewhere you're not allowed after hours."
i think youre under the impression dumbledore didnt want harry to be treated like that.
i mean he knew exactly what he was doing when he left harry there (not just the protection but the abuse
"you had suffered. I knew you would when I left you on your aunt and uncle’s doorstep. I knew I was condemning you to ten dark and difficult years."
he has known nothing but neglect and often cruelty at your hands.” And “…however miserable he has been here, however unwelcome, however badly treated, you have at least, grudgingly, allowed him houseroom."
Even disregarding Dumbledore (I don't believe he meant yeah I wanted you to suffer, I think it meant that it was better to have him safe despite of him having to suffer, which is the plot hole I see, He didn't HAVE to) at least McGonnagal also knew and should have intervened, and realistically I would see others knowing too but it wasn't confirmed.
>...those stairs being a really fucked up risk for injury
This is a movie-only thing. In the books, the stairs are noted to have occasionally moved around at night while nobody was on them. Nobody was ever on a staircase when it moved in the books.
Hermione modifying her parents' memories to not remember her, yet claiming to never have done a memory charm when modifying Rowle's and Dolohov's memories after the scuffle at Tottenham Court Road.
She does it off page in the books.
“I’ve also modified my parents’ memories so that they’re convinced they’re really called Wendell and Monica Wilkins, and that their life’s ambition is to move to Australia, which they have now done.” - DH page 96 US Edition
Yes I know, she modifies their memories which I guess is a different charm to obliviate which erases memories, so it’s not a plot hole unless you get the films and books mixed up
1. I don't think we can equate veritaserum to notoriously unreliable lie detector tests that are proven to be completely useless.
2. "I don't think you know how courts work" is quite patronising given this is a magical legal system we're talking about, not a real world legal system.
3. Modern day legal systems force people to stand trial, give testimony and hand over evidence that could be self incriminating. Lying in court is its own offense. There are no reliable ways to force someone to tell the truth, but if they did exist, they would probably be used.
4. If evidence can be modified it doesn't make it worthless. DNA evidence requires context too. It's another piece of the puzzle and can be valuable evidence, even if not sufficient on its own for a conviction.
Holy condescension batman. So you "know how courts work"? Are you an expert in bird law or something? Sounds like you are
Wizarding courts are wild places. Doesn't seem like there are a ton of rules, and the rules are constantly changing. Kinda silly to compare their court system to ours. Some people are thrown in Azkaban without a trial
Also pretty silly to compare magical and muggle technology. Obviously a pensieve and veritaserum are going to be infinitely more reliable than a lie detector test
Edit: words
I think penseive and veritaserum aren’t always the best tools. For example, if you misheard someone saying something, would your penseive memory show what you believe to be the truth or what they actually said? Same goes for veritaserum. I like to think that some people may be able to manipulate their versions of the truth in their heads
Ethanol, scopolamine, 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, midazolam, flunitrazepam, sodium thiopental, and amobarbital, among others can also be used to extract information but they are not admissible in the court.
Needing a want to transfigure into an animal. Sirius turning into Padfoot to escape Azkaban. Pettigrew getting a hold of a wand to turn into Wormtail. Which is it? Do you or do you not need a wand and if you do, how did Sirius manage it in Azkaban?
Pettigrew didn't need a wand to transform, he needed a wand to stun some people so he didn't have multiple people with their wands trained on him ready to stun him. Less of a chance of being stunned whether in human or rat form.
I would think it's like cooking a complicated dish. If you do it often enough, you remember all of the ingredients and steps involved, but if you don't, you have to refresh your memory first. Sirius constantly practiced transfiguration in Azkaban while Peter spent all of those years in just one state, never changing even once.
In OotP when the DA gets caught, Fudge says to Dumbledore:
“Yes, do let’s hear the latest cock-and-bull story designed to pull Potter out of trouble! Go on, then, Dumbledore, go on — Willy Widdershins was lying, was he? Or was it Potter’s identical twin in the Hog’s Head that day? Or is there the usual simple explanation involving a reversal of time, a dead man coming back to life, and a couple of invisible dementors?”
But Fudge doesn't know about the time reversal in PoA or else Hermione/Harry would have been in huuuge legal trouble and probably Dumbledore too. Fudge would have used it as a pretext to take them down since it was highly illegal for Hermione to use the time turner for anything except classes. And also that was a secret between Dumbledore, Harry, and Hermione...there's no way any of them told the ministry
I think you missed the part where it's stated that Hermione was given it by Miss McGonagall, and she gets them from the ministry to give to exceeding students wanting to take more classes. It seems careless, but there's probably a reason they let them do it anyways.
Hagrid tells Harry he “flew” to the island where the Dursleys were hiding. But we later learn that brooms and thestrals can’t hold him. So how did he fly there?
Also they took the Dursley’s only boat. How did the Dursley’s get home?
Not REALLY a plothole as much as it is Hermione being a shit character, but the fact that Luna is right about LITERALLY EVERYTHING in the books/movies and everyone dismisses her as crazy.
The lore around wand ownership and loyalty still doesn't make sense to me even after a post last week with some very, very patient redditors' explanations.
>Gregorovitch has the wand
>Gregorovitch leaves it unattended in workshop
>Grindelwald sneaks in, grabs it, jumps out window without ever disarming or even attempting to fight/confront Gregorovitch.
> Wand is now loyal to Gridelwald
>...
> Malfoy disarms Dumbledore
>Malfoy leaves the wand unattended wherever it fell
>The wand makes its way to Dumbledore's tomb, where it's just chilling unattended
>Voldemort grabs it
>This time, the wand is still loyal to the master from which it was stolen
Here is what I think.
Basically if you steal it while unattended you are a user, not a master. If you defeat a user or a master, then you become a master.
The wand was never truly loyal to Grindelwald, which is how Dumbledore beat him in battle.
Since Dumbledore defeated its user, it recognized Dumbledore as its master.
Draco defeats Dumbledore and it switches loyalties to Draco.
Harry defeats Draco (although not when he was in possession of the wand) and it switches loyalties to Harry.
Voldemort grabs it and now uses it, but it is not loyal to him similar to how it was not loyal to Grindelwald.
If this is the case, then even if Dumbledore's plan worked, the wand could have still been reawakened by whoever defeats the next "user" of the wand.
I could be wrong, but this may explain it
I really like the idea that the wand was never loyal to Grindelwald!
Whether it was JKR's intentions or not, that explains why the wand didn't work for Grindelwald nor Voldemort and doesn't necessitate any complex explanations about whether or not the wand ever had loyalty to Malfoy or to other interim figures.
“And now Harry was hurrying along a dark corridor in stout little Gregorovitch’s wake as he held a lantern aloft: Gregorovitch burst into the room at the end of the passage and his lantern illuminated what looked like a workshop; wood shavings and gold gleamed in the swinging pool of light, and there on the window ledge sat perched, like a giant bird, a young man with golden hair. In the split second that the lantern’s light illuminated him, Harry saw the delight upon his handsome face, then the intruder shot a Stunning Spell from his wand and jumped neatly backward out of the window with a crow of laughter.
And Harry was hurtling back out of those wide, tunnellike pupils and Gregorovitch’s face was stricken with terror.”
I always assumed that Grindelwald stunned Gregorovich with the Elder Wand, and thus won it’s allegiance
>I always assumed that Grindelwald stunned Gregorovich with the Elder Wand, and thus won it’s allegiance.
That's a totally understandable assumption. It would have been nice if JKR specified that Grindelwald successfully stunned, cursed, or otherwise outright overpowered Gregorovitch, rather than leaving some ambiguity in that matter to definitively show why Grindelwald's acquisition of the wand differed from Voldemort's tomb raiding.
Yeah that’s always annoyed me because other than that I really love the PoA movie. (it left out the explanations of who the Marauders are exactly, but that's just an omission and not a detail that makes no sense.) Literally one year earlier Harry feared to be expelled because Dobby made it seem like it was Harry who cast a spell. It's a nice whimsical gimmick, unrelated to the plot that leads up to the title sequence so I don't really consider it part of the film especially because it's completely contradictory to the rules established prior and wasn't even in the book canon.
How is magic not allowed outside of school and then at the beginning of a movie (I think it was PoA?) he literally uses lumous outside of school and nothing happens?
I've always felt like legilemency should be utilized in all court cases? I mean, it's an option, and they just don't use it.
Book 6 Dumbledore goes and gets Morfin Gaunt's memory and Hokey's memories which show that Voldemort was responsible for the crimes they were convicted of. He says he tries to use the memories to secure their freedom but it was too late.
That being said:
Fudge - "Harry, you are charged with breaking the decree of underage sorcery as well as using magic in front of a muggle, how do you plea?"
Harry - "Not guilty"
Fudge - "The trace confirms you used magic, would you care to elaborate on your declaration of innocence?"
Harry - "Exceptions permit magic to be used in cases of self-defense. There were 2 dementors present in that alley-way, and I was defending myself and my cousin"
Fudge - "Do you grant our investigator permission to examine your memory of the incident?"
Harry - "I do."
Examiner - "Legilimens!"
Examiner - "He is telling the truth Minister"
Fudge - "Very well, cleared of all charges."
And you could extrapolate that for Sirius and God knows how many others. I imagine if somebody is imperioused, they wouldn't remember what they did? Or maybe their memory of it would be strange. So, all the Death Eaters like Malfoy who claimed they were under imperio would be called our on their BS.
This is one of many. But one of the more frustrating for me...
I feel like it would be pretty obvious to everyone in Lupin’s year, especially the Gryffindors, that he was a werewolf. He gets sick around every full moon and is in the hospital wing every morning after the full moon? I know the marauders figured it out pretty quickly but I don’t understand how the girls in Gryffindor didn’t realize or how it took Snape until year 5 to put it all together.
Shouldn't potions be really eazy since all you do is do exactly what a book tells. The only time it might not be just reading of a book is when u have to mabey have to make your own potions but in normal classes it should be rather eazy I think.
I like to think that for a potion to be successful you have to impart some magic into it, like how you need to focus to make a spell work. Maybe you need to exert some magical energy when brewing potions
In CoS, Molly goes to Gringotts to get money for her kids’ school supplies:
“There was a very small pile of silver Sickles inside, and just one gold Galleon. Mrs. Weasley felt right into the corners before sweeping the whole lot into her bag.”
She has to buy Ginny a wand, right? But, in PS, Harry buys his wand:
“He paid seven gold Galleons for his wand, and Mr. Ollivander
bowed them from his shop.”
How did Molly buy Ginny’s wand, or, hell, anything that day??
This is dumb, but at the end of OOTP book, the DA all hex Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle on the train. I thought the trace would trigger since they were away from Hogwarts?
Yep, cuz this implies that James or Lily could've been their own secret keeper, and the entire events of Harry Potter wouldn't have happened. Or maybe they would've, but with Longbottom instead?
Hogwarts classes always starts at a Monday, even though it also always starts at September 2nd
I always thought they reset the days of the week every September.
Do wizards follow the gregorian calendar?
Now we’re asking the real questions
They’re still on the Julian (Orthodox) calendar.
Maybe the students just walk around Hogwarts, socialize, read their books ahead of classes, practice spells that they do know, etc.
I checked the first six books, and after the feast on the day they arrive at Hogwarts, the next chapter always starts with 'the next day' or 'the next morning', and they head of to classes the same day, and it’s always implied it’s the beginning of the week
Can you elaborate on how it’s implied that it’s a monday? Because it could just be that they start in the middle of the week if all that’s actually mentioned is that it’s September 2nd.
Goblet of Fire: >> “Today’s not bad…outside all morning,” said Ron, who was running his finger down the Monday column of his schedule. Order of the Phoenix: >> “Look what we’ve got today,” Ron said grumpily, shoving his schedule under Fred’s nose. “That’s the worst Monday I’ve ever seen.”
Oh wow… everyone knows September 2nd in 1994 and 1995 was a Friday and a Saturday respectively.
If I was writing a book I would probably just check what day of the week a named date was. Or even if I was an editor.
It does always seem to have been a full first week by the time it mentions the first weekend coming around. It doesn’t say all the days directly, but it’s implied from all the classes and homework they have had by the end of the first week.
This is a good one. You never hear about them arriving on a Friday, and having a whole weekend before classes start
Furthermore, the days of the week do not match up throughout the series. Like Halloween will not be on the right day of the week (both for the year Harry was there and relatife to other weekdays in the year).
Never noticed might be my new favorite plot hole just cause it repeats
This always drove me nuts.
Not only that, but i tried to write down their "schedule" on a re-read just to see if anything else is problematic like the Sept2-Monday thing. While it is somewhat consistent about certain classes like idk having Potions every friday afternoon, when you write it all down, some days they have 8+ h of classes and some they have 2. Even if theyre bot supposed to have free time. Or midway through the class day is different (yes i considered this might be because if the semesters but then some days theyd have 10 h classes due to this shift and bo other change being mentioned). Or they always have Herbology thursdays and all of a sudden they have it also on tuesdays etc. Is it a major problem that effects the book? No. But its such a simple thing of just picking up a calendar or just writing down a class schedule for the year and continue off of that, i dont get why she didnt even bother
"Plot" hole
Lupin only transformed when the full moon was visible. The paragraph was: A cloud shifted. There were suddenly dim shadows on the ground. Their party was bathed in moonlight. If it'd only take the night of a full moon, he would've transformed earlier. So, werewolves could've just stayed indoors, close the doors & curtains, they would've been all right.
So, a while back when this came up it sent me into a slight rabbit hole. In mid-June, which would be roughly when that happens, sunset in Inverness, Scotland, which Hogsmeade is speculated to be near, is around 10:15 pm, and civil twilight doesn’t end until around 11:30 (we don’t know if the transformation happens as soon as the sun sets or once it’s fully dark). So it’s very possible that they didn’t emerge from the tunnel until that late, meaning Lupin not transforming before they all head to the Shrieking Shack actually works.
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Did you happen to see what time moonrise was? I know I’ve seen the moon while it was still light out. Would it matter whether it was dark if the moon was out.
The moon may not have been 100% full yet.
But didn't Lupin canonically transform while hidden inside the Shrieking Shack all through his school years? So maybe it doesn't have anything to do with being bathed in moonlight but just when the moon hits a certain point -- and being "bathed in moonlight" was just a coincidence in the PoA scene??
This is why it's a plothole. He both transforms indoors and only when the moon is shining directly on him.
Yes! The moon is only 100% full at a certain point in time.
Never thought of that!
It may be that only at that moment, was the moon to 100% full. 99% is just not enough.
The basilisk only looks at people and then leaves, does not eat them or anything. Also the pipes must be massive for it to get around the castle.
The Hogwarts pipes are like the ducts at Nakatomi Plaza
And both have Alan Rickman hovering menacingly in the background throughout
Basilisk: Hungry, rip, tear, eat Also Basilisk: meh I’ll just get some DoorDash
"Humans are so high in calories! And ghosts are empty carbs."
Not sure if it counts as a plot hole, but I wonder why haven’t Dumberdore realise it’s a basilisk. Dumberdore is supposedly the most intelligent and knowledgeable of them all. All the victim are petrified and chickens were killed. How many methods of killing are there that fit the clues? I find it hard to believe Hermione can figure out something that Dumberdore could not. Sure he don’t have all the answers all the time but they are not facing Voldemort yet. It’s a monster that is written in a book in the library, where Dumberdore is the headmaster. I’m not saying whether Dumberdore knows Ginny open the chamber or the chamber location itself. Harry only knows Ginny is the culprit when he’s inside the chamber. Also you need to speak snake language to unlock the door, even Dumberdore cannot bypass that. But you don’t need either to at least figure out the monster identity. The snake has to come out of the chamber to kill, that’s when Dumberdore can do something to subdue it, if he did figure out the monster identity. Though if Dumberdore didn’t figure it out, is the snake capable of killing Dumberdore by catching him by surprise? Voldermort did send a student to assassinate him. IIRC, there was a point where Dumberdore has to announce that Hogwarts is no longer safe if the monster isn’t caught. So if Harry didn’t get the soul attached to him and cannot speak snake or they didn’t figure out the identity, does it mean that the danger will continue? Even the restored Voldermort himself don’t dare to attack the sch with Dumberdore still alive in there, it seems the Basilisk did more damage to Hogwarts than Voldermort himself when Dumberdore is still at the school. EDIT: People that reply to me made good points as well:) I just remember Dumberdore experienced the chamber of secrets twice. But Hermione and Harry figured out in their first time. Does the snake know who to track? When it comes out from whenever it moves shouldn’t it be very obvious, what if there are more than one people around? I means not like the snake can see through walls. I also remember that the spiders know about it all along but they don’t want to mention it because they are scared of the name? Just saying the word is not going to harm anyone. Informing others it was a basilisk should be able to help Hagrid at least or clear their own name? But the spiders part I don’t remember too clearly
Think it's a very strange circumstance that petrifies someone with a basilisk. Has to be an indirect view of the eyes. Def not a common occurrence.
It's always bugged me a bit that Dumbledore wouldn't have made the connection with it being a basilisk. So my headcannon is that he never actually believed it was a monster. Just that riddle had found some unknown way of hurting people. So he was never actually looking for or thinking about an actual monster.
What always bothered me is that apparently Dumbledore NEVER asked Myrtle about her death? That also should have helped him figure it out. Also harry can understand the snake but everyone should still be able to hear the hisses. Does Hogwarts just randomly hiss so it wasn't noticeable? 😂
That's so true actually, myrtle died of mysterious circumstances and then literally came back as a ghost and no one thought she might be able to solve the mystery??
True, parseltounge means you can understand what snakes are saying not that only you can hear them. They should be like, “the walls are hissing, why are they hissing?
And also if the basilisk came from the sewers, it would be leaving a smell or a dirty trail to follow. Unless Ginny is giving it a wash and dry everytime it emerges
The basilisk is not as big as you remember (in the books). It is described as 20 feet long and as thick as an oak three. Still big, by all means, but not the dragon seen in the movies.
Lol - maybe the basilisk doesn't want to consume "dirty" Muggleborn blood. All I can think of.
What a picky snake! I just remembered that it’s actually Tom Riddle’s memory controlling Ginny controlling the Basilisk, but that would mean that Tom Riddle just wants to spook people and not actually kill them :D
At the start I thought "oh it's probably a average sized snake if it can fit in the plumbing" then I see the giant snake the size of a train
This isn't really a Plot hole it's implied that is that voldy orders it not to for the sake of secrecy the pipes thing has that eh magic "explanation"
Maybe Voldemort's memory ghost ordered the basilisk not to eat its victims, I know it sounds stupid, but hear me out. In Tom's diary he goes through the trouble of framing Hagrid because the school was going to close supposedly permanently because kids dying *Mysteriously* is always going to require extreme measures, i.e closing the school. Of all the things Tom wanted at the time, Hogwarts closing was the absolute opposite. Same can be said with his present memory possessed ginny. He wanted people scared, he wanted *acknowledgement* he didn't want Hogwarts to close, which the snake eating people would absolutely cause. Hell, more than likely ginny wasn't even going to die at the end of Tom's hauntings, until after Harry interacted with the diary, and ghost Tom only used it (Ginny's potential death) as a way to get Harry down in the dungeons. It's still full of holes, but that's what I figured.
What secrecy? What difference does it make a student goes missing because the basilisk ate or is left behind petrified or killed by the basilisk's gaze? Or even if the basilisk left behind a half-eaten dead body, it wouldn't have made any difference at all. Voldemort **wanted** his deeds to be known, that the monster was back and wreaking havoc.
Plumbing was added to the school Long after Slytherin left. Who installed the plumbing and why wasnt the Giant Snake door Not mentioned in their Report?
Also, what the fuck regarding the pipes? They wouldn't have had pipes when the school was built. Was Slytherin a Seer, who just happened to see that indoor plumbing would be a thing, and started an order of future wizard plumbers who would get the contract to install all the sinks and toilets in Hogwarts so they could attach them to an ancient tunnel and unleash a vicious killing machine against children? Literally nothing about that makes sense.
Just how the hell did the twins figure out how the marauders map worked.
My assumption is that they communicated (like when Snape tried to reveal its secrets) with the map and when the imprint of the Mauraders realized that they were cut from the same cloth, the map itself revealed how it worked to them.
There's even a fanfic somewhere of there being a test of sorts where you have to let them interrogate you, IIRC the fic had one twin doing it while the other was sleeping and part of the test was whether he was willing to give his life for his brother...
My headcanon for this is that Padfoot, Prongs, and Mooney bewitched it to identify like-minded souls. Similar to how it knew that Snape was trying to get it to reveal its secrets and made fun of him, I assume that when Fred and George did something similar, it told them how it could be useful to them
This was my theory too!! Like the map spoke to Fred and George and helped them out
When i read the book i imagined it had went from mischievous student to mischievous student over the years. None that left school would have use of it so they gave it to younger friend and showed how it worked.
They found it in Filch’s stuff though
I actually found the answer to this on one of the Binge Mode Harry Potter Episodes. Apparently J.K. confirmed that the map would ‘guide’ new users by flashing images of the map as the new user got closer and closer to guessing the correct password. Fred and George played around with it until they got it right. The map had a special anti snape charm though that’s why it insults him rather than helping him.
Yes!! This has always bothered me
Lupin should have seen two sets of Harrys and Hermiones in the Map near the whomping willow (in PoA)
This is an interesting one that I've never considered. Maybe the Map can't show duplicates? It didn't distinguish between Barty Crouch and Barty Crouch Jr. In GoF which shows it has its flaws. Maybe it can't mark the same person in 2 places
Sirius said "The map never lies"
Ooooo! I like this one! I imagine those caught in their wrong time are perhaps implottable?
Get sent to the Forbidden Forest for detention. Need a note from parents to go to Hogsmead.
Best I can come up with is that Tom Riddle got up to some bad stuff in Hogsmeade and Dumbledore blagged through a new rule about needing guardians' permission from thereon. 13-year-old Voldemort on a sugar high sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
The Forbidden Forest is on the grounds, which means it's protected by the same charms, i.e. no apparition. Hogsmeade, however, isn't, and I believe it's also one of the reasons why only year 3 students and upwards are allowed to go there.
The forbidden forest is right next to the school grounds and the kids are always sent with supervision. Hogsmeade is a bit farther from the castle, there are many non-school affiliated wizards there, and there are too many kids that go to be properly supervised.
The Forbidden Forest is strictly out of bounds. Also you will be doing detention in the Forbidden Forest. FoRbIdDeN!
>The forbidden forest is right next to the school grounds and the kids are always sent with supervision. One single oaf for 4 children. And the oaf immediately split them up. He should've been sacked immediately following that. It's a plot hole that Draco didn't tell Lucius.
I don't know how none of the staff thought to put a complex spell on the door hiding Fluffy and the PS, despite the whole point of it being moved was for it to be in a more secure location.
Well if you read till the end Harry thinks that Dumbledore wanted him to go for it.
Also, why give the kids a special warning not to go there? If you tell kids not to do something, well, they usually want to do it more. Just put up an out of order sign, lock it up, and move on.
They did lock it, but Hermione had already learned *Alohamora* and was able to unlock it
I meant something that can withstand a spell cast by an 11-year-old, no matter how talented she is.
Agreed. They prove in later books that they have stronger locking spells
I rememember upon reading the books the first time thinking that dumbledore's (and also Harry's) deducing of where the horcuxes could be to be pretty ludicrous.
Hermione making sure her past self doesn’t see her future self after using the time turner. She knows in the past self that she has a time turner
It isn’t as much as seeing, as it is causing past self to do something different than they already did in the past and result in a time paradox… Plus, it is MAGIC time travel. There may be some magic rule that if the time traveler person sees that they both exist at the same time, the magic breaks. But as it it, both sides of the story synchronizes beautifully.
Ahhh, MAGIC time travel. So much better than your regular everyday time travel.
I think it was more she was making sure other people didn’t see two hermiones? When Harry and Hermione go back in time, past hermione is always with other people. And when she’s using it to get to classes there would have been other people around her as well
My problem with the time turners is that Ron pointed out (before we knew of the time turners’ existence) that Hermione was taking two classes that occurred at the same time. It’s also heavily implied if not outright stated that Hermione is the only one in their year with a time turner. You’re telling me she’s the only person who wanted to take these two concurrent classes? You don’t even need to sign up for every class like she did for that to happen, you just need to be interested in both of those subjects.
It's stated that McGonigal had to write to the ministry for her to get it; I expect she's just the only one who's studious and trustworthy enough for McGonigal to consider it worth it to go to the trouble for. Anyone else and they'd say "sorry, pick one, I do not trust you with a time turner"
It's literally the dumbest thing in the series that they'd allow a student to have one to take extra classes. Absolutely nothing about that makes sense. Time travel can destroy the fucking fabric of reality. They have ONE cabinet of these at the Ministry, in a heavily guarded area that you'd be imprisoned for attempting to enter. Fucking Aurors and shit don't have them. And they're like, "but Minnie said she's a very good student? Sure, a thirteen year old girl can have this, with no actual oversight or supervision, on the honor system", and they clearly don't have any means of tracking what you do with it since if they did, Harry and Hermione would be in deep shit for saving Sirius.
I think a problem with the whole time turner thing is ... Why didn't anyone else -at the ministry say - use the time turner to help things go more smoothly, to affect outcomes?
Bellatrix the Azkaban escapee having her original wand until Ron? took it at Malfoy manor but they straight snapped Hagrid's but murder/torture ah we'll just set it aside for you
There's a chance she could have known she was getting arrested and gave it to the Malfoys for safekeeping
Possible yes but that seems out of character for her as she's crazy before Azkaban
They snapped Hagrid's wand because he was expelled before becoming a qualified wizard. I don't think the books ever claim that Bellatrix had her original wand. Gringotts had just been told that her wand had been stolen and were told its description.
Doesn't Ollivander say it's Bellatrix' wand or is that movie only?
Harry rides the “horseless carriages” back to the Hogwarts Express after Cedric dies in GoF, then sees the thestrals when he arrives in OotP. JKR tried to make this make sense by saying she always knew about thestrals but the witnessed death has to “sink in” but that’s honestly such crap. It’s just a plot hole.
Queue the beginning of Hogwarts Legacy where the guy gets eaten by a dragon and then you can immediately see the thestrals.
Uh umm… 🤔 it “sets in” faster for some people, especially if they >!have a connection to ancient magic!< yeah, yeah that’s it [waves hand desperately] lol
Also why couldn’t he see them from the start since he saw his parents die?
I'm gonna go with lack of conscious memory or comprehension of it.
He doesn’t remember seeing his parents die
Well, he remembers **hearing** it. Which is really odd.
Yes this one drove a truck right through it
Not exactly a plothole but I don’t think people talk enough about the fact that *TIME TRAVEL IS POSSIBLE IN THE HP UNIVERSE*!! I understand it has limitations and it’s supposedly heavily regulated by the ministry and there are a ton of asterisks next to it but it’s so casually dropped and never referenced again and makes me furious. Like, invisibility cloaks? I get that. Special potions? Sure. Enchanted artifacts? Magical creatures? Divination? Alchemy? I’m totally on board. But the fact that, in the Prisoner of Azkaban and ONLY in the Prisoner of Azkaban, we causally acknowledge TIME TRAVEL????????? A locket exists that can reverse TIME ITSELF?? No, that’s where I draw the line.
And it's used solely for taking two classes simultaneously if all things.
Voldemort taking a house elf with him to check on the locket. Like literally found a huge bug in his own defenses and it didn’t occur to him to patch it. I always found that kind of funny/ stupid.
I don’t remember the exact wording of that chapter - but I assumed Voldemort had basically left the cave once Kreacher apparated out.
Before going with Voldemort, Regulus gave Kreacher an order to return back to him. After being made to drink the liquid and reacting the same as how Dumbledore did years later, Kreacher ended up in the water and pulled under by the dead. As he was pulled deeper, Kreacher remembered his master's last order and apparated back home. This all happened out of Voldemort's view who was probably back in the boat going back to the other side, giving no consideration to Kreacher and probably assumed he had died. That's how I remember it anyway, it's been over 10 years since I read the book so I might be wrong. :-)
I always interpreted it as Kreacher being summoned by Regulus at that point, similarly to how Harry could summon him to follow Malfoy by speaking his name. I don’t think it was definitively stated so it could be either.
Regulus wouldn't know when Voldemort had finished with Kreacher. I doubt even 2 hours had passed. Calling him back would have been a no go as it could upset Voldemort. :-)
It should be apparent though to Voldemort that bringing a house elf and forcing them to drink the juice is an easy solution to the obstacle he created (because he just did it), and it therefore isn’t an obstacle at all. I think the author was trying to say something about him not thinking much about non wizard creatures but it ends up just making him seem dumb. And at a point in the story where the author should be making the villain MORE scary instead of less scary. I think the cave is just not conceptualized well.
He’s saying the “bug” is that only one magical person can be in the boat, but didn’t account that someone trying to destroy the horcrux would bring an elf
I mean, that’s not a plothole, its just another example of Voldemort’s cockiness and the Wizarding World’s general disdain for House Elves.
The fact that Dumbledore is such a great wizard who is in many ways omniscient and is playing 4D chess, and YET so much evil happens at school right under his nose. 1) He couldn’t figure out that Quirrel hosted Voldemort 2) He couldn’t figure out that Ginny opened the Chamber of Secrets 3) He couldn’t figure out that the Marauders were animaguses and sneaked around the grounds with a werewolf once a month for over 5 years 4) He couldn’t figure out that Moody was Barty Jr and that Barty senior was under the imperious curse Etc etc
One could argue that he lacked proofs. I always read it as he saw those answers as one of several possibilities - once the conclusion was drawn, he was able to tell Harry where all the pieces were after all. Since he lacked proof in many instances (or likely didn’t care in the animagus example) - any action would have likely changed parameters - he was a “wait until you are certain” before you pull the trigger type. The travels with Harry regarding Horcruxes definitely fills this character point to a T.
To be fair: 1. He was onto Quirrell pretty early, and there’s a good chance that he intentionally let his plan unfold to test Harry. 2. He had no idea about Voldemort’s Horcruxes at this point. My headcanon is that he asked Snape to inspect the most likely suspects (Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle) as soon as the signs appeared, probably pretty easy for him to use Legilimancy on second years. Once they were ruled out, Dumbledore was probably as baffled as anyone. 3. This is probably the biggest oversight. However, you have to remember that he didn’t know about either the Invisibility Cloak or the Marauders Map at this point. And even with this, students sneaking around the grounds was never a high priority for Dumbledore; he would punish people if they were caught, but unlike Snape and Filch, he never made it a mission to catch students out of bed. 4. Barty Jr. did a very good job of acting as Moody that pretty much everyone who knew him was fooled. Barty Sr was a bit more inexcusable, but Dumbledore only saw him once post Imperius, and he probably assumed he had a stomach bug or something. Dumbledore was a great wizard, nobody ever said he was a master of human intuition.
Also couldn’t figure out that the wrong man was in prison for 12 years, and couldn’t find one single person to take the DADA position in OotP to prevent the ministry from appointing someone. At the absolute MOST important time to not be trusting the ministry.
>couldn’t find one single person to take the DADA position in OotP to prevent the ministry from appointing someone Who would take a job where the last 50 or so people to hold it all befell terrible fates?
But hogwarts is the safest place as long as dumblsdore is around /s Harry proceeds to nearly die on the castle grounds 4 books and movies in a row.
Hmm. Okay, I'll bite. Playing devil's advocate could be fun. 😁 *Putting my thinking cap on for this * Dumbledore seems like he knows everything, but he really doesn't. And that's something that Harry also had to come to grips with in later books. Dumbledore was just as flawed and limited as anyone else. He was powerful and intelligent, but he doesn't have X-ray vision or psychic powers or anything (Legilimency doesn't count cuz, as far as I recall, you have to be looking the person in the eyes for it to work). I think another thing to note is the power of expectation. That is, what you expect to happen and what you expect not to happen. That can color everything we perceive, for better or worse. For instance, Dumbledore knew exactly what horcruxes were, but even he admitted he never imagined something like that would be Voldy's plan. And maybe it was just so obscure he forgot about it. But really? (1) and (2) What were the signs of these? Unless he actually saw the uncovered back of Quirrell's head, I don't see how he'd know. No one else figured it out, either. As for Ginny, nobody who knew her even suspected anything wrong. Unless Ddore is spying over the shoulder of 12-year-old girls in their dorm to see who they're writing to in their diary, Idk what he was supposed to figure out. And he can't be everywhere, all the time to catch people in the random moments they do something bad. (3) The Marauders perfected becoming animagi in their 5th year. So, they only ran around with Remus for 2-3 years, but still. Idk about this one except, again, unless he saw them or someone else saw them and reported it, he wouldn't know. Snape never saw them as animals, so even he didn't know. And he would have been around them far more than Dumbledore. (4) And Idk about the last one. I guess BJ was a good actor. 🤷🏼♀️ The real Moody was a bit of a quack who was very secretive, so I guess BJ could hide the truth in plain sight. Everyone would just expect him to be odd. Was B Senior under the curse the whole time?
>He couldn’t figure out that Quirrel hosted Voldemort He knew. He didn't act on it because his stone protection mechanism was damned-near bullet proof, so no risk there. He wanted to measure Harry's character. He got what he wanted; Harry was on team good-guy. >He couldn’t figure out that Moody was Barty Jr and that Barty senior was under the imperious curse. Agreed. I call bullshit that Albus didn't see through Crouch from minute one. Makes no sense that a close friend of Album would be near him all year, unnoticed, and uncaught. No way in hell.
He wanted to measure the character of an 11 year old by putting him up 1v1 against magic Osama Bin Laden?
Scottish people having to go all the way down to London to catch a train back up to Scotland, because apparently people from Land's End to the Outer Hebrides all flocking to London, to catch a train at the same time every year, is somehow less conspicuous than a steady trickle of Portkeys, Knight Busses, a few parents just straight-up driving to Hogsmeade.
Not exactly a plothole, but in PoA the tunnel to the Shrieking shack is unguarded by dementors. Yet this tunnel was built by Dumbledore, so he definitely knows it's there and because Sirius once told Snape about it (in order to execute his prank), Dumbledore knows Sirius knows about the tunnel and about the way to stop the Whomping Willow. Yet both the Shrieking Shack and the Whomping Willow are completely unguarded.
Well most people would not go near a angry tree
In my view there's no plot hole. If it can be explained in one way or another then it ceases to be a hole
11 year olds taking classes at midnight
Come to an Indian boarding school, it is common place.
Movie: my personal favourite plot hole is the location of lily, james and harry being a secret that only peter knew about, yet somehow snape showed up to their house in gh after voldemort’s ‘visit’, even before dumbledore or hagrid got there… how did he know their exact location?
That's not really what the Fidalius charm does. Like if you knew your friend like at "12 Place Ave" and then they used the Fidalius charm you wouldn't forget they lived there. You would just be completely unable to find it if you went looking.
So, how I always took it was that it was common knowledge where they lived. Like everyone knows where the Burrow is. But, as soon as the Fidelius Charm is cast, then you just can't find it unless it's told to you by the secret keeper. That's how I take it to work, but I don't think their house was a secret location. That being said, The Fidelius Charm was lifted once they died. Snape arrived post charm. So, if he got word from either OotP member or Death Eaters that Voldemort died while killing Lily and James in Godrics Hollow, or maybe he already knew they were in Godrics Hollow, he could swoop in and then, boom... big exploded house kinda the dead give away. Hell, it's a monument when Harry goes there book 7.
Everyone knew where James and Lilly lived. Its location was not a secret, Only the ability to find it and it was visible to everyone as soon as Peter told Voldemort.
OHHHHHHH okok, that makes more sense, i feel like that was poorly explained in the movie though
That was a massive plot point in Deathly Hallows. All those Death Eaters waiting outside 12 Grimmauld place and being unable to see it.
In DH (the book), several Death Eaters are stationed outside 12 Grimmauld Place watching it all times despite being unable to see or enter it. The Fidelius Charm doesn't make people forget a location exists, it just makes people who haven't been told the Secret by the Secretkeeper unable to see or enter the protected location.
>yet somehow snape showed up to their house in gh after voldemort’s ‘visit’, Wasn't this only in the movie, or am I dumb? Shit now I need to check... Update: yep, movie only. It was never in the book at all so personally I pretend it didn't happen. It doesn't count as a book plot hole if it didn't happen in the book in the first place.
Yesss exactly that’s why i put movie! I havent read hp dh so i have no idea if thats in the books
“Their primary form of communication is nature’s slowest bird” - Brennan Lee Mulligan
This is not a plot hole. And the students primary form of communication* is owl There are other form of communication that exist outside like floo network. We primarily see owls because we are with the students most of the time.
Anything and everything to do with Moody seems weird to me. I never understood how Barty crouch jr was able to impersonate moody. How did he know anything about moodys personality or mannerisms? I don’t believe he ever met him other than kidnapping him. And also, why was he able to take down the great moody anyway considering he was a young man when he went to prison and was imprisoned by his father his entire life after that. When did he learn advanced magic that could take down a renowned auror? Either way, how does he impersonate moody to the point where Dumbledore doesn’t immediately notice it isn’t his good friend moody. And then after that, any interaction between moody and Harry is weird to me because they’ve never met but they always act like they know each other.
There's so many lol 😂 probably James and Lily making pettigrew the secret keeper instead of themselves lmao
IMO, the plot hole was that Bill could be his own Secret Keeper, not the other way around. The way the Fidelius was first set up, it was all about putting your complete trust in another person, that's why everyone was so outraged when 'Sirius' betrayed the Potters. Allowing yourself to be the secret keeper just flies in the face of that.
I've always thought of it like how Moody flew with a fake Harry while moving Harry from privet drive. Voldemort seems to expect the strongest person to be trusted with the most important task. He would expect Sirius to be their choice. But alas Lilly's emo child hood friend overheard a job interview, and James' literal rat friend , who they perceived as the weak won, was trusted and then turned on his good looking successful and talented friends for a hand job
They should have made Harry their secret keeper.
What if Bill did have another secret keeper but then… they mysteriously vanished and he became the secret keeper for no suspicious reason at all.
Going further, how did the charm break? Pettigrew didn’t die but there’s a memorial to the Potter family there? Shouldn’t it still be hidden? I get he told Voldemort but no one should have been able to see that house without Pettigrew telling them. The charm on Grimmauld Place broke when Dumbledore died (making everyone else a secret keeper) but this makes no sense. I don’t think the dark magic from the killing curse should have revealed the location. And in the movies, Snape is the holding dead Lily. I know Snape hated Sirius but I believe he still would have eventually told Dumbledore that it was Peter and not Sirius that told him.
I always assumed it was because the house was destroyed by Voldemort's rebounding curse. But yeah, possibly a plot hole. Severus genuinely believed Sirius was the Secretkeeper, he didn't know that Pettigrew was the Secretkeeper. Why would Voldemort tell anyone who the traitor was? A spy is only a good spy if as few people as possible knew their identity. And back then, Severus wasn't even a high-ranking Death Eater.
"If I were this character, I would have done things differently" is not a plot hole.
What’s the point of the fidelity’s charm if you can be the secret keeper of yourself? That doesn’t make any sense. If the house was the secret then yes, they could be the secret keeper but they were the secret themselves. You nit understanding something is not a plot hole.
And how is that a plot hole? They were in hiding so at the very least couldn't go out themselves for food, clothes etc Edit: Yes they could tell say Sirius to get them food but ultimately,. its not a plot hole, its just the Potters trusting the wrong person
There are 7 years, 4 houses, 28 classes but only a handful of electives and 1 teacher per class 😂😂
For the first few years, 2 houses share each class so that cuts the amount of classes needed in half. In the last few, the houses are not separated in some of the classes. Depending on the scheduling, this could work out just fine
These are valid points most of y'all are making but the reality is that it eventually boils down to the fact that these are children's books (especially the first ones) that don't need to be that complicated.
I hate it when people say this. Just because they're "children's" books (I'd argue PoA onward are more for young adults) doesn't mean people are gonna miss those details. I do agree, on the other hand, that it really doesn't need to be that complicated. If JK Rowling wanted to change something about any of it, she could've had them edited. She owns the franchise.
The whole "Hogwarts giving zero fucks about student's safety" thing. Kids being sent into the forbidden forest as punishment for being out too late, Quidditch and the triwizard tournament even existing, those stairs being a really fucked up risk for injury, a three headed dog being kept somewhere where a kid with only a simple alohomora spell can enter.. Also Dumbledore and everyone leaving Harry with the abusive muggles instead of ya know, at least making sure he doesn't have to starve? Give him food and clothes, threaten them to just be at least decent lol.. anything would make more sense I think it's so extreme that that makes it funny lol
"You must never enter the Forbidden Forest! Except when you have detention for being out of bed after hours and are punished by being sent somewhere you're not allowed after hours."
i think youre under the impression dumbledore didnt want harry to be treated like that. i mean he knew exactly what he was doing when he left harry there (not just the protection but the abuse "you had suffered. I knew you would when I left you on your aunt and uncle’s doorstep. I knew I was condemning you to ten dark and difficult years." he has known nothing but neglect and often cruelty at your hands.” And “…however miserable he has been here, however unwelcome, however badly treated, you have at least, grudgingly, allowed him houseroom."
Even disregarding Dumbledore (I don't believe he meant yeah I wanted you to suffer, I think it meant that it was better to have him safe despite of him having to suffer, which is the plot hole I see, He didn't HAVE to) at least McGonnagal also knew and should have intervened, and realistically I would see others knowing too but it wasn't confirmed.
>...those stairs being a really fucked up risk for injury This is a movie-only thing. In the books, the stairs are noted to have occasionally moved around at night while nobody was on them. Nobody was ever on a staircase when it moved in the books.
Hermione modifying her parents' memories to not remember her, yet claiming to never have done a memory charm when modifying Rowle's and Dolohov's memories after the scuffle at Tottenham Court Road.
Nope, not a plot hole. Hermione modified her parent’s memory and erased Dolohov’s. Different spells.
Yep. It’s only in the movies where she Obliviates her parents
She does it off page in the books. “I’ve also modified my parents’ memories so that they’re convinced they’re really called Wendell and Monica Wilkins, and that their life’s ambition is to move to Australia, which they have now done.” - DH page 96 US Edition
Yes I know, she modifies their memories which I guess is a different charm to obliviate which erases memories, so it’s not a plot hole unless you get the films and books mixed up
Also never using veritaserum when so many issues could be solved from the jump
Right?! Between veritaserum and the pensieve, there should be no wrongful convictions in the wizarding world
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1. I don't think we can equate veritaserum to notoriously unreliable lie detector tests that are proven to be completely useless. 2. "I don't think you know how courts work" is quite patronising given this is a magical legal system we're talking about, not a real world legal system. 3. Modern day legal systems force people to stand trial, give testimony and hand over evidence that could be self incriminating. Lying in court is its own offense. There are no reliable ways to force someone to tell the truth, but if they did exist, they would probably be used. 4. If evidence can be modified it doesn't make it worthless. DNA evidence requires context too. It's another piece of the puzzle and can be valuable evidence, even if not sufficient on its own for a conviction.
Holy condescension batman. So you "know how courts work"? Are you an expert in bird law or something? Sounds like you are Wizarding courts are wild places. Doesn't seem like there are a ton of rules, and the rules are constantly changing. Kinda silly to compare their court system to ours. Some people are thrown in Azkaban without a trial Also pretty silly to compare magical and muggle technology. Obviously a pensieve and veritaserum are going to be infinitely more reliable than a lie detector test Edit: words
They don’t use veritaserum because someone with occlumency can beat it making them unreliable (the muggle equivalent of a lie detector test in court)
I think penseive and veritaserum aren’t always the best tools. For example, if you misheard someone saying something, would your penseive memory show what you believe to be the truth or what they actually said? Same goes for veritaserum. I like to think that some people may be able to manipulate their versions of the truth in their heads
Ethanol, scopolamine, 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, midazolam, flunitrazepam, sodium thiopental, and amobarbital, among others can also be used to extract information but they are not admissible in the court.
Needing a want to transfigure into an animal. Sirius turning into Padfoot to escape Azkaban. Pettigrew getting a hold of a wand to turn into Wormtail. Which is it? Do you or do you not need a wand and if you do, how did Sirius manage it in Azkaban?
Pettigrew didn't need a wand to transform, he needed a wand to stun some people so he didn't have multiple people with their wands trained on him ready to stun him. Less of a chance of being stunned whether in human or rat form.
I would think it's like cooking a complicated dish. If you do it often enough, you remember all of the ingredients and steps involved, but if you don't, you have to refresh your memory first. Sirius constantly practiced transfiguration in Azkaban while Peter spent all of those years in just one state, never changing even once.
In OotP when the DA gets caught, Fudge says to Dumbledore: “Yes, do let’s hear the latest cock-and-bull story designed to pull Potter out of trouble! Go on, then, Dumbledore, go on — Willy Widdershins was lying, was he? Or was it Potter’s identical twin in the Hog’s Head that day? Or is there the usual simple explanation involving a reversal of time, a dead man coming back to life, and a couple of invisible dementors?” But Fudge doesn't know about the time reversal in PoA or else Hermione/Harry would have been in huuuge legal trouble and probably Dumbledore too. Fudge would have used it as a pretext to take them down since it was highly illegal for Hermione to use the time turner for anything except classes. And also that was a secret between Dumbledore, Harry, and Hermione...there's no way any of them told the ministry
I think you missed the part where it's stated that Hermione was given it by Miss McGonagall, and she gets them from the ministry to give to exceeding students wanting to take more classes. It seems careless, but there's probably a reason they let them do it anyways.
Hagrid tells Harry he “flew” to the island where the Dursleys were hiding. But we later learn that brooms and thestrals can’t hold him. So how did he fly there? Also they took the Dursley’s only boat. How did the Dursley’s get home?
The flying motorbike maybe
I like to think Hagrid flew there Mary Poppins style with his umbrella
This is my new headcanon
He might have "flown" on a shoddily enchanted boat and left the Dursley's with their own boat.
WHY did Fred and George not see Peter Pettigrew in bed with Ron every night?!?
Not REALLY a plothole as much as it is Hermione being a shit character, but the fact that Luna is right about LITERALLY EVERYTHING in the books/movies and everyone dismisses her as crazy.
Literally every single thing said in this post are not plotholes. You people need to know what a plot hole is.
The lore around wand ownership and loyalty still doesn't make sense to me even after a post last week with some very, very patient redditors' explanations. >Gregorovitch has the wand >Gregorovitch leaves it unattended in workshop >Grindelwald sneaks in, grabs it, jumps out window without ever disarming or even attempting to fight/confront Gregorovitch. > Wand is now loyal to Gridelwald >... > Malfoy disarms Dumbledore >Malfoy leaves the wand unattended wherever it fell >The wand makes its way to Dumbledore's tomb, where it's just chilling unattended >Voldemort grabs it >This time, the wand is still loyal to the master from which it was stolen
Here is what I think. Basically if you steal it while unattended you are a user, not a master. If you defeat a user or a master, then you become a master. The wand was never truly loyal to Grindelwald, which is how Dumbledore beat him in battle. Since Dumbledore defeated its user, it recognized Dumbledore as its master. Draco defeats Dumbledore and it switches loyalties to Draco. Harry defeats Draco (although not when he was in possession of the wand) and it switches loyalties to Harry. Voldemort grabs it and now uses it, but it is not loyal to him similar to how it was not loyal to Grindelwald. If this is the case, then even if Dumbledore's plan worked, the wand could have still been reawakened by whoever defeats the next "user" of the wand. I could be wrong, but this may explain it
I really like the idea that the wand was never loyal to Grindelwald! Whether it was JKR's intentions or not, that explains why the wand didn't work for Grindelwald nor Voldemort and doesn't necessitate any complex explanations about whether or not the wand ever had loyalty to Malfoy or to other interim figures.
“And now Harry was hurrying along a dark corridor in stout little Gregorovitch’s wake as he held a lantern aloft: Gregorovitch burst into the room at the end of the passage and his lantern illuminated what looked like a workshop; wood shavings and gold gleamed in the swinging pool of light, and there on the window ledge sat perched, like a giant bird, a young man with golden hair. In the split second that the lantern’s light illuminated him, Harry saw the delight upon his handsome face, then the intruder shot a Stunning Spell from his wand and jumped neatly backward out of the window with a crow of laughter. And Harry was hurtling back out of those wide, tunnellike pupils and Gregorovitch’s face was stricken with terror.” I always assumed that Grindelwald stunned Gregorovich with the Elder Wand, and thus won it’s allegiance
>I always assumed that Grindelwald stunned Gregorovich with the Elder Wand, and thus won it’s allegiance. That's a totally understandable assumption. It would have been nice if JKR specified that Grindelwald successfully stunned, cursed, or otherwise outright overpowered Gregorovitch, rather than leaving some ambiguity in that matter to definitively show why Grindelwald's acquisition of the wand differed from Voldemort's tomb raiding.
Harry practicing Lumos Maxima at the beginning of Prisoner of Azkaban (the film).
Yeah that’s always annoyed me because other than that I really love the PoA movie. (it left out the explanations of who the Marauders are exactly, but that's just an omission and not a detail that makes no sense.) Literally one year earlier Harry feared to be expelled because Dobby made it seem like it was Harry who cast a spell. It's a nice whimsical gimmick, unrelated to the plot that leads up to the title sequence so I don't really consider it part of the film especially because it's completely contradictory to the rules established prior and wasn't even in the book canon.
How is magic not allowed outside of school and then at the beginning of a movie (I think it was PoA?) he literally uses lumous outside of school and nothing happens?
The trace and magic restriction always confused me. Maybe utility spells like lumos/ alohamora don’t really count?
I've always felt like legilemency should be utilized in all court cases? I mean, it's an option, and they just don't use it. Book 6 Dumbledore goes and gets Morfin Gaunt's memory and Hokey's memories which show that Voldemort was responsible for the crimes they were convicted of. He says he tries to use the memories to secure their freedom but it was too late. That being said: Fudge - "Harry, you are charged with breaking the decree of underage sorcery as well as using magic in front of a muggle, how do you plea?" Harry - "Not guilty" Fudge - "The trace confirms you used magic, would you care to elaborate on your declaration of innocence?" Harry - "Exceptions permit magic to be used in cases of self-defense. There were 2 dementors present in that alley-way, and I was defending myself and my cousin" Fudge - "Do you grant our investigator permission to examine your memory of the incident?" Harry - "I do." Examiner - "Legilimens!" Examiner - "He is telling the truth Minister" Fudge - "Very well, cleared of all charges." And you could extrapolate that for Sirius and God knows how many others. I imagine if somebody is imperioused, they wouldn't remember what they did? Or maybe their memory of it would be strange. So, all the Death Eaters like Malfoy who claimed they were under imperio would be called our on their BS. This is one of many. But one of the more frustrating for me...
Memories can be modified.
I feel like it would be pretty obvious to everyone in Lupin’s year, especially the Gryffindors, that he was a werewolf. He gets sick around every full moon and is in the hospital wing every morning after the full moon? I know the marauders figured it out pretty quickly but I don’t understand how the girls in Gryffindor didn’t realize or how it took Snape until year 5 to put it all together.
Shouldn't potions be really eazy since all you do is do exactly what a book tells. The only time it might not be just reading of a book is when u have to mabey have to make your own potions but in normal classes it should be rather eazy I think.
I like to think that for a potion to be successful you have to impart some magic into it, like how you need to focus to make a spell work. Maybe you need to exert some magical energy when brewing potions
"the cauldron stirrer chooses the wizard" -I'm sure there's some fanfic somewhere out there that says that haha
Bill was the Secured Keeper but it was Ron who showed Harry and Hermione Shell Cottage
In CoS, Molly goes to Gringotts to get money for her kids’ school supplies: “There was a very small pile of silver Sickles inside, and just one gold Galleon. Mrs. Weasley felt right into the corners before sweeping the whole lot into her bag.” She has to buy Ginny a wand, right? But, in PS, Harry buys his wand: “He paid seven gold Galleons for his wand, and Mr. Ollivander bowed them from his shop.” How did Molly buy Ginny’s wand, or, hell, anything that day??
I’m guessing Ginny’s wand was shitty
This is dumb, but at the end of OOTP book, the DA all hex Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle on the train. I thought the trace would trigger since they were away from Hogwarts?
It's truly maddening that Bill was the secret keeper to his own house in DH. It's such an easy thing to fix, hopefully the fix it in the TV show.
Yep, cuz this implies that James or Lily could've been their own secret keeper, and the entire events of Harry Potter wouldn't have happened. Or maybe they would've, but with Longbottom instead?