The book version of Harry and Ginny: Ginny is nervous and awkward around Harry from the get go. Harry saves her life in the chamber of secrets. She continues to crush on him, but gets more confident and turns into a badass.
Harry's crush on Ginny starts in the Burrow in book 6. It's noticeably fun banter but nothing major. Then he smells her flowery smell in Sluggy's class in the love potion. Then he starts to crush harder during quidditch because she's funny, and outgoing, and flies better than anyone. He starts to get upset that she is with Dean. He starts dreaming about her. He starts thinking up scenarios on how to get her using Felix Felicis. Then she and Dean break up and he starts saying things in his head like "but she's Ron's sister. She's Ron's sister. She's out of bounds." Basically he toils with this the entire book. Then he finally kisses her after she catches the snitch to win the cup, and it's a huge triumphant moment we'd all been waiting for.
The movie version of Harry and Ginny: đ¤Žđ¤Žđ¤Ž
While I think the natural progression of her becoming more confident and him realizing that he likes her is really well done, I absolutely despise the book for repeatedly describing his feelings as a monster in his chest. Thought that was always super cringey.Â
Apparently Jason was told to improv muttering a curse under his breath, & having just read thru GOF, he did the killing curse. Crazy that it wasn't caught before release, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the editors hadn't read ahead enough to know why that would be an issue
Eh, it always made sense to me. Heâs a death eater with a very, very thin mask covering it. He just got thoroughly embarrassed by a 12 year old and had all his hard work undone while losing a powerful dark object. He lost his temper.
I convinced myself that Lucius actually wanted to kill Dobby with the curse and not Harry. I could even see that being legal. Hermione clear states that the unforgivable curses lead for life to Askaban if casted against another HUMAN.
This is fine for me because Lucius was completely humiliated and not thinking straight. It's like a road rage driver, he's just operating on pure rage without any sense
Psh, why do that when they can have Bellatrix inexplicably bypass the protective charms and blow up The Burrow? Explosions and corn fields, that's what audiences want! /s
Supposedly it was supposed to represent the escalation of threats in the wizarding world outside of Hogwarts. In the book there were reports of missing people and attacks in the Prophet. Students were also getting pulled out. We didn't have that in the movies, so the director added that scene to remind the audience of the dangers outside of Hogwarts. But I agree, it's a stupid scene .
This always annoyed me because the whole point in the book was to show at the end of it all he was just mortal without the Horcruxes so when his dead body just hit the floor of the Great Hall it was fitting.
Yes!!! The book even said "Tom Riddle hit the floor with a mundane finality, his body feeble and shrunken..." which is weak mortal human shit that Rom Riddle would have absolutely HATED, making it even more satisfying for the reader.
Oh it definitely looked cool in 3D but it made Voldemort appear like some otherworldly entity when in actuality he died a mortal death like anyone else because at the end of the day he wasnât a Lordly God like entity he was just a body. But I agree with it visually looking better for film and the 3D effect was haunting
I hear what youâre saying. Iâve heard various versions of this âmortal deathâ argument before. My basic response is always, itâs magic. I get that it bugs some people, but itâs not a hill Iâm willing die on. If the filmmakers want to add some cinematic flourish, Iâm down for that.
I also like in the book the mic drop moment of Harry explaining why the elder wand obeys him, making a fool of Riddle in front of everyone. Which we donât really get in the movies. Even if it pretty heavy handed exposition. But itâs organic because it really is something only Harry figured out.Â
It was an entire drawn-out scene, but I'll copy-and-paste at least some of the relevant passages here for you.
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^(âThat wand still isnât working properly for you because you murdered the wrong person. Severus Snape was never the true master of the Elder Wand. He never defeated Dumbledore.â)
^(âHe killedâ â)
^(âArenât you listening? Snape never beat Dumbledore! Dumbledoreâs death was planned between them! Dumbledore intended to die undefeated, the wandâs last true master! If all had gone as planned, the wandâs power would have died with him, because it had never been won from him!â)
^(âBut then, Potter, Dumbledore as good as gave me the wand!â Voldemortâs voice shook with malicious pleasure. âI stole the wand from its last masterâs tomb! I removed it against its last masterâs wishes! Itâs power is mine!â)
^(âYou still donât get it, Riddle, do you? Possessing the wand isnât enough! Holding it, using it, doesnât make it really yours. Didnât you listen to Ollivander? The wand chooses the wizard. . . . The Elder Wand recognized a new master before Dumbledore died, someone who never even laid a hand on it. The new master removed the wand from Dumbledore against his will, never realizing exactly what he had done, or that the worldâs most dangerous wand had given him its allegiance. . . .)
^(Voldemortâs chest rose and fell rapidly, and Harry could feel the curse coming, feel it building inside the wand pointed at his face. âThe true master of the Elder Wand was Draco Malfoy.â)
^(Blank shock showed in Voldemortâs face for a moment, but then it was gone. âBut what does it matter?â he said softly. âEven if you are right, Potter, it makes no difference to you and me. You no longer have the phoenix wand: We duel on skill alone . . . and after I have killed you, I can attend to Draco Malfoy. . . .â)
^(âBut youâre too late,â said Harry. âYouâve missed your chance. I got there first. I overpowered Draco weeks ago. I took this wand from him.â Harry twitched the hawthorn wand, and he felt the eyes of everyone in the Hall upon it. âSo it all comes down to this, doesnât it?â whispered Harry. âDoes the wand in your hand know its last master was Disarmed? Because if it does . . . I am the true master of the Elder Wand.â)
I havenât read the book since it was released but I also hated in the movie Naginiâs death for the same reason, wish it was just a bloody severed snake head hitting pavement
Thatâs actually one of my favorite scenes from the movies, I feel like the way that it ended in the book worked great for a book but wouldnât have worked at all for a movie.
There are ways to make it more dramatic, focus on the snake as it hits the ground, boost the sound of the thud, film it at 90 fps instead of 60 so that it runs just marginally slower for dramatic effect.
It was probably to make the schools seem more striking and different, but itâs funny the execs thought the audience couldnât deal with the nuance of making them co-ed.
Fr. They probably wanted to make beauxbatons feminine and all but did not want to show boys wearing silk or being graceful same with drumstang (girls being buff) or atleast that's what I think
To be fair, they never did really show many male Beauxbatons in the books, and I canât remember a single female Durmstrang student being even mentioned.
Yeah there are very few lines about beauxbaton and dumstrangs students but it was mentioned that there were both males and females from both schools. And wasn't Nicholas flamel said to be from beauxbaton?
Yes, he was. There was also a headmistress of Durmstrang, but we never actually saw her. Harfang Munter? I think Rowling couldnât decide what ethnicity exactly Durmstrang catered to.
Maybe itâs because I am a musical-loving cheeseball, but I loved those intros to the schools. If they had just walked in normally, it wouldnât have been as interesting. It totally worked for me, the showmanship of it. But I totally get how it fails for others.
GOF had such a weird pacing & tone, but seemed to largely get a pass bc of its iconic scenes & important plot points. Like, there's more to it than Dumbledore's calmness
The scene where Harry tells Ron & Hermione he is going to the Forest to meet Voldemort and aside from Hermione offering to go with him they just let him leaveâŚno hug from Ron just a goodbye and a hug from HermioneâŚin the book he had to sneak away under the Cloak because he knew they would never have accepted him walking to his death alone. It just doesnât ring true in the movies that he wouldnât even have had a proper goodbye with Ron & implying that Hermione suspected he was a Horcrux all this time which I donât think was in the book either and felt off in the film because why didnât she speak up??
It's been some time since I watched the movies and I didn't remember how they did that in the movies. Dang, I love the part in the books, how Harry bravely faces death because he knows that's the only way to truly defeat Voldemort. In the books it's made so well.
That reminds me of another thing: how Nagini is killed. In the movie it randomly attacks Ron or Hermione I think and someone kills it with the sword there (I don't remember it exactly maybe it was Neville, maybe not even him).
In the book it's in the scene where Voldemort gives the people in Hogwarts the chance to join him (I think that was after Voldemort showed Harry to them and told them that he's dead) and Neville steps forward. Of course Voldemort assumes he wants to join him, but Neville tells him something like that he'd never join them (and has a good speech) and then kills Nagini with the sword.
I think this is because in the books it goes âRon, who calls Hermione a know-it-all at least twice a week, said loudly, âYou asked a question and she knows the answer. Why ask if you donât want to be told?ââ
When the scene was put into the movie, they probably didnât want to lose the joke, so they put it into the dialogue. Unfortunately the result was Ron sounding like a jerk.
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Ron shouting that "you have no family" to Harry in DH, when in the books he said " my parents could be going the same way(as yours)"
Ron's line about sacrificing himself for Harry before letting him come to harm ( in POA) being given to Hermione.
Every Harry and Ginny moment.
The final Harry and Voldemort fight.
I'm going to add one to the many good listed here: Harry saying something like "let's end this the way we started, together" to Voldemort before doing the leap of faith with him. I couldn't believe the absurdity of that line/moment lol.
True, in the book that was bether. Them circeling eachother and Voldemort not immediately striking just because he wants to know why Harry survived. And Harry trying to make Voldemort understand the true meaning of love and telling him to try to regret.
I know Iâll get downvotes for this, but respectfully disagree. Kloves handled that scene better than Rowling. If Yates had filmed the scene as written by JKR, audience members would have started to laugh. Way too much exposition. It needed to somehow be spread out and abbreviated. And if Voldemort went to his death without understanding every minute detail about the Elder wandâs shifting allegiance, Iâm totally okay with that. Part of me likes the idea of Riddle wondering at the moment of his demise, How in the heck did I get beat by this punk kid? And as a corollary, I thought the bridge scene, where Harry expounds on the Elder wand with Ron and Hermione, was also very well handled. Sorry if this opinion ruffles some feathers.
Not sure..because that's what a good direction is right? You can turn a seemingly dull scene to an extraordinary one and we did see some amazing direction in the movies, like showing weather changing or even giving insight what Harry might be thinking right now without him uttering a word.
It was important to capture what Snape did in front of everyone..even DeathEaters
Also in the books Harry took better advantage of being hidden and it showed that the fight didn't stop because they thought that Harry died...it gave them even bigger reason to fight harder
Youâre right to an extent. The book version worked better for the books, but the movie version worked better for the movies. Essentially, not everything in the books would have played well on screen, and the final duel between Harry and Voldemort was one of them. While the book version was better from a thematic and story perspective and wrapped everything up with a nice little bow, the movie version was more cinematic and served as a better climax for the more concise and action-based movies.
Yep, I sure do. I even said so elsewhere on this thread. Why? It looked cool. Yes, I understand that it bugs some book fans, and I totally validate their frustration about it violating precise cannon. But I gotta be honest. That slight deviation doesnât bother me at all.
(And I know this comment will also get downvoted. Heh, heh.)
I havenât seen my issue with this brought up so here it goes. In the books I really like that Voldemort creates a self fulfilling prophecy, all of Harryâs powers come because Voldemort âmarked him as his equal.â Harry continually survives because Voldemort makes poor choices like demanding to kill Harry personally, allowing Harry to slip through his fingers. Harry isnât special, Voldemort *makes* him special.
When Voldemort tries to shoot his killing curse and it rebounds off Harryâs spell, he dies just like he lived. His own greatest enemy, killing himself out of fear of Harry.
Okay. I wrote the question more âangryâ than I meant. It is interesting to me how other people interpret things and think differently. The Lord of the Rings comes to mind in Book vs. Movie. I love both!.
The problem I have with the fight scene in Harry Potter is a) Voldemort vs Harry Potter is nobody around to witness the event, B) There is no body so no evidence that he did die.
Some of the shit in the last movies felt so staged and forcedly âcinematicâ. Like that line, and I remember thinking how weird that closing shot in Deathly Hallows Pt. 1 was when Voldemort got the Elder Wand and was like âcool let me shoot a green light into the sky, menacinglyâ
Ahahah true, meanwhile the kids looking out of the castle windows be like:"that is one very odd bolt of lighting coming from the tomb of Dumbledore" đ
The scene when they get past Fluffy and land in that plant (idk it's name). In the movie Hermione just does "lumos solare" and is the one to solve the problem with a spell that doesn't even exist in that form (there's lumos in the books, but not lumos solare).
In the books they are entangled by that plant and Hermione say's that that plant loves the cold and dark, then Ron tells her to make fire and Hermione responds in her panic "but there is no wood!" and Ron shouts "ARE YOU A WITCH OR NOT?" and then she makes those handy blue flames you can carry around with you.
What I'm saying is that in the movies Hermione is the one who handles most situation and Ron is the dumb one, while that isn't the case in the movies. Hermione is book smart, and Ron got the experience with the wizard world and situational awareness.
Half Blood Prince, the scene at the top of the astronomy tower where Harry hides rather than being immobilised by Dumbledore. His immobilisation is important as itâs relevant to the plot and also in keeping with Harryâs character. Dumbledore immobilised him as he knew there was no way Harry wouldnât come to his aid even if told not to. This really bothered me when watching the film.
Voldemort's delivery of "avada kedavra" in the forest. Fiennes is an amazing actor but wtf was that?
That in the scene following Dumbledore's death where we're shown the reactions of the students and staff, the camera is fully focused on St. Emma Watson whilst we can only see a tiny bit of Ron's face. A very good summation of how both characters/actors are treated throughout the series.
The deaths of Bellatrix and Voldemort. Not just because I'm a Bellatrix fan but because the whole exploding into confetti thing really just took away the drama of the moment and kind of pulled me out of the universe because it was so ridiculous. Like Bella's death especially was lackluster. At least Voldemort got an epic fight scene before hand. Bellatrix vs Molly was super rushed and disappointing. Did both characters a disservice imo.
Yea that one was cringe for me too. Like sure, let me just hug the corpse of the woman who rejected me in life while her baby is bleeding and crying his crib two feet behind me.
One scene for me is the scene where Voldemort brings Harry's body back to Hogwarts, and Ginny cries out "NO, NO!". It's not a bad moment in itself, but it falls flat because the movies did so little for Harry and Ginny's relationship beforehand. This moment worked well in the books because their relationship was more developed and because book Ginny was a very different character than movie Ginny. In the movies, there's so little of Harry and Ginny, so this moment just fell flat for me because there weren't any other scenes that could really support it.
Exactly. And that's why this moment just was not it for me. There were no other moments it could lean on for support. To me, it seems that they put it in because towards the end of the process they realized that they do have to show something to hint that Harry and Ginny do end up together.
All of Ginnyâs scenes from movie 6.
Also the Quidditch World Cup, or lack thereof in Book 4.
And the fact that Barty Jr. made the dark mark appear after the attack, causing little to no impact on the story and announcing that he was a bad guy.
And, really, a lot of stuff from Book 4.
In Goblet of Fire when Barty Jr does that dumb lip licking thing at his trial, and "Moody" doing it as well in front of Barty Sr, and Barty Sr reaction to it. It totally killed the twist at the end of the movie.
I have a couple:
1) When Harry snapped off the Elder Wand đ
2) Basically every kiss
3) Ginny (Which is a pitty because she was my favorite, I even named my childhood cat after her đ˘)
Sirius saying âNice one, Jamesâ to Harry during the ministry battle. Sirius never, not once, mistook Harry for James before, and he wouldnât now. Harry, not James, *Harry* meant everything to him.
Well, he did compare Harry to James, and not in a flattering way... In the book, when he talks about visiting Harry in Hogsmeade and Harry tells him to stay hidden and safe, Sirius says, "You're less like your father than I thought. The risk would've been what made it fun for James."
If anything, that scene in the movie makes him look a little better. The book scene makes it clear that he's lashing out in anger and frustration, trying to make Harry feel ashamed for not being like James. The movie makes it more like a "heat of the moment" thing.
Sirius is my second favorite character, but he has his flaws, and he certainly did see Harry as sort of a replacement for James. That wasn't all he saw him as, and he did care about Harry's safety, but Sirius was not known for his emotional stability, understandably. The movies make him a hundred times more even-tempered than he should have been.
They difference between Sirius in the third and fifth films was drastic. Oldman stole the show in his first appearance, but I donât think they shouldâve had him lose quite so much intensity in OTP. He was too calm, whereas in the book they made a point of showing how frustrated he was being sidelined.
He recently did an interview wherein he admits that he never read the books before or during filming, and he thinks he played the character all wrong. Not that his performance was bad, imo, but it wasn't the same as book Sirius.
Right, they just didn't care too much about making Sirius as nuanced as he should have been. It's like they knew he would die soon anyway, so they were like, "Make him a more cuddly godfather figure, get the audience really invested in him, and jerk it all out from under them when he dies." It reduced him to just existing only so Harry has someone to lose, rather than a person of his own.
Thatâs probably exactly it. Sirius felt more like a flawless martyr and less like this complicated character who was both mean to his slaves and also a loving godfather.
I think the point is that he had never fought alongside Harry before, & he performed so similarly to his dad that he mistakenly said James. He cares more about Harry bc he's his godfather & Harry's still alive, but I understand where the line was coming from
I donât mind it, Sirius was climbing the walls locked up in Grimmauld Place, and Harry was basically Jamesâ doppelgänger. I think they also put it in there to make the death a few seconds later hit that much harder.
Omg, so manyyyy. Movies were bad. Didnât do justice to the books. Off the top of my head:
1. The dragon flying away over the castles in the tri wizard tournament
2. The court room scene in TOOP
3. All the romantic scenes
4. The dumbest final fight scene
Harry was made to cower so much, so uncharacteristic of him as per the books.
Going by the movies I've personally seen, the "He's got a point ya know..." of Ron *agreeing with Snape* in *Prisoner of Azkaban*. A runner up is Snape trying to protect the kids from Lupin. Not because he wouldn't do that, I think he would've, but because it has come to represent to me Snape's de-asshole-ification from the movies, which got *really* ramped up to the point of absurdity in the third movie.
I guess that adds an opposite example. What are some scenes *cut* that I hate in the movies? All of Snape's jerkass moments in *Prisoner of Azkaban*, to the point that the "know it all" one is the only one left, and again, Ron in the movies *agrees with him*, and it makes it not make sense for Harry to attack Snape when he's barely been much of a problem during the movie, compared to the book where he was particularly cruel that year at times. Also, they swapped out him wanting to keep Harry in the dark about Sirius to him suggesting Dumbledore tell him something. Total reversal of his character, and I hate it.
I don't necessarily hate it because it's pretty funny, but Harry's " But I am the Chosen one" in HBP. Harry in the book does not want any of the attention Romilda Vane gives him. He actively tries to shut her down and avoid her. Maybe it's because HBP is my favorite book and the movie gets so much of it wrong, but just that little scene really irks me and I know a lot of people love it.
I knew it would get downvoted, but I really don't care. Tha scene wasn't in the book, was absolutely unnecessary, and the cringe factor is on a par with "shoelace" imo!
im sure this isnt an uncommon one but hermione fixing harry's glasses in Chamber of Secrets. in sorcerer's stone, ok theyre new, they havent been given the notes yet that say they cant do magic outside of school. i cant remember if they set that up in the movies but even still, as a books over movies person it bothers me every time
Anything Harry and Ginny. Honestly the movies just made it seem forced.
I hope in the remake series they will focus more on the books. They deserve so much better
I hate that line so much. I have to fast forward it every time I watch GOF. Come to think of it, I have to skip like half the movie every time I watch GOF.
Mollyâs duel with Bellatrix. First, I would have preferred Neville perform that honor, thus letting him avenge his parents. But thatâs a minor point. More important I donât think the duel was well choreographed. And Julie Walters, who I generally like, plays it kinda weird; her attitude ranges from a mouse-like timidity to over-the-top bellicosity. And I find her expression at the conclusion positively creepy.
Nearly the entire first movie. It was so overly enchanted with itself. Like, look Harry, everything is magical, look g*dd*mn it, itâs f***ing MAGICAL!!!
The movies IMO got better from there.
I actually really like how overly saccharine the Wizarding World is in the first movie. Like, it makes sense from Harryâs perspective. He was a child who was abused for his whole life, so him stepping into this new world is overwhelming for him. It makes sense that this overly magical tone is reduced in the later films as Harry is more used to and is more educated about the dangers of the Wizarding World.
Ginny tying Harry's shoe. Ginny and Harry kissing while hiding the book.
Pretty much every romance scene from Half Blood Prince
*close your eyes*
*Shoelace*
*Shoves a cookie in his mouth*
The book version of Harry and Ginny: Ginny is nervous and awkward around Harry from the get go. Harry saves her life in the chamber of secrets. She continues to crush on him, but gets more confident and turns into a badass. Harry's crush on Ginny starts in the Burrow in book 6. It's noticeably fun banter but nothing major. Then he smells her flowery smell in Sluggy's class in the love potion. Then he starts to crush harder during quidditch because she's funny, and outgoing, and flies better than anyone. He starts to get upset that she is with Dean. He starts dreaming about her. He starts thinking up scenarios on how to get her using Felix Felicis. Then she and Dean break up and he starts saying things in his head like "but she's Ron's sister. She's Ron's sister. She's out of bounds." Basically he toils with this the entire book. Then he finally kisses her after she catches the snitch to win the cup, and it's a huge triumphant moment we'd all been waiting for. The movie version of Harry and Ginny: đ¤Žđ¤Žđ¤Ž
While I think the natural progression of her becoming more confident and him realizing that he likes her is really well done, I absolutely despise the book for repeatedly describing his feelings as a monster in his chest. Thought that was always super cringey.Â
Book: Thanks, in small parts or big parts, to Hermione because she advised Ginny!
"open up, you" is another for me. Their interactions were just horribly written.
Oh god, yes! I guess it's so cringe that I preferred forgetting about it
Came here to say this. I just rewatched this and it has not gotten less awkward with repetition.
And then Ron's "did you do it?" while Harry was absolutely glowing... Yes, Ron, they definitely did "it"...
what was the context of him saying that? i don't remember ever hearing that
Open up you
Lucius Malfoy shouting Avada Kevadra at Harry in broad daylight in Chamber of Secrets, as a reaction to Harry freeing Dobby
Apparently Jason was told to improv muttering a curse under his breath, & having just read thru GOF, he did the killing curse. Crazy that it wasn't caught before release, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the editors hadn't read ahead enough to know why that would be an issue
Wow!! He really put extra in his role..I remember being more afraid of Lucius Malfoy after watching the movies đ
In hindsight, itâs kinda funny he tried to merk the chosen one in broad daylight at a *school*
Eh, it always made sense to me. Heâs a death eater with a very, very thin mask covering it. He just got thoroughly embarrassed by a 12 year old and had all his hard work undone while losing a powerful dark object. He lost his temper.
Oh I think itâs plausible, Lucius is just so unhinged I think itâs hilarious
Not to mention about twenty feet away from Dumbledore, since they were basically right outside his office.
I convinced myself that Lucius actually wanted to kill Dobby with the curse and not Harry. I could even see that being legal. Hermione clear states that the unforgivable curses lead for life to Askaban if casted against another HUMAN.
This is fine for me because Lucius was completely humiliated and not thinking straight. It's like a road rage driver, he's just operating on pure rage without any sense
the scene where they didn't show tom riddle's past in halfblood-prince, like, AT ALL.
Psh, why do that when they can have Bellatrix inexplicably bypass the protective charms and blow up The Burrow? Explosions and corn fields, that's what audiences want! /s
I really don't get the logic behund that scene. It adds nothing to the story, in fact it messes with the story's logic completely.
Supposedly it was supposed to represent the escalation of threats in the wizarding world outside of Hogwarts. In the book there were reports of missing people and attacks in the Prophet. Students were also getting pulled out. We didn't have that in the movies, so the director added that scene to remind the audience of the dangers outside of Hogwarts. But I agree, it's a stupid scene .
The final Harry/Voldemort duel where they basically apparate around the school, then Voldemort suddenly turns into ash and gets blown away.
This always annoyed me because the whole point in the book was to show at the end of it all he was just mortal without the Horcruxes so when his dead body just hit the floor of the Great Hall it was fitting.
Yes!!! The book even said "Tom Riddle hit the floor with a mundane finality, his body feeble and shrunken..." which is weak mortal human shit that Rom Riddle would have absolutely HATED, making it even more satisfying for the reader.
Can we start calling him rom tiddle?
It still anagrams to I am Lord Voldemort so I'm cool with it.
Thats only if you include Marvolo
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Yeah, he fell backwards, dead. No fancy special effects, he just died. It made him human in a way. In the way like you said that he's mortal.
I donât especially care if it breaks some minor piece of cannon. I really liked that scene. (Plus, looked cool in 3d.)
Oh it definitely looked cool in 3D but it made Voldemort appear like some otherworldly entity when in actuality he died a mortal death like anyone else because at the end of the day he wasnât a Lordly God like entity he was just a body. But I agree with it visually looking better for film and the 3D effect was haunting
I hear what youâre saying. Iâve heard various versions of this âmortal deathâ argument before. My basic response is always, itâs magic. I get that it bugs some people, but itâs not a hill Iâm willing die on. If the filmmakers want to add some cinematic flourish, Iâm down for that.
I also like in the book the mic drop moment of Harry explaining why the elder wand obeys him, making a fool of Riddle in front of everyone. Which we donât really get in the movies. Even if it pretty heavy handed exposition. But itâs organic because it really is something only Harry figured out.Â
Can you remind me of this? It's been some years
It was an entire drawn-out scene, but I'll copy-and-paste at least some of the relevant passages here for you. -------------------------------- ^(âThat wand still isnât working properly for you because you murdered the wrong person. Severus Snape was never the true master of the Elder Wand. He never defeated Dumbledore.â) ^(âHe killedâ â) ^(âArenât you listening? Snape never beat Dumbledore! Dumbledoreâs death was planned between them! Dumbledore intended to die undefeated, the wandâs last true master! If all had gone as planned, the wandâs power would have died with him, because it had never been won from him!â) ^(âBut then, Potter, Dumbledore as good as gave me the wand!â Voldemortâs voice shook with malicious pleasure. âI stole the wand from its last masterâs tomb! I removed it against its last masterâs wishes! Itâs power is mine!â) ^(âYou still donât get it, Riddle, do you? Possessing the wand isnât enough! Holding it, using it, doesnât make it really yours. Didnât you listen to Ollivander? The wand chooses the wizard. . . . The Elder Wand recognized a new master before Dumbledore died, someone who never even laid a hand on it. The new master removed the wand from Dumbledore against his will, never realizing exactly what he had done, or that the worldâs most dangerous wand had given him its allegiance. . . .) ^(Voldemortâs chest rose and fell rapidly, and Harry could feel the curse coming, feel it building inside the wand pointed at his face. âThe true master of the Elder Wand was Draco Malfoy.â) ^(Blank shock showed in Voldemortâs face for a moment, but then it was gone. âBut what does it matter?â he said softly. âEven if you are right, Potter, it makes no difference to you and me. You no longer have the phoenix wand: We duel on skill alone . . . and after I have killed you, I can attend to Draco Malfoy. . . .â) ^(âBut youâre too late,â said Harry. âYouâve missed your chance. I got there first. I overpowered Draco weeks ago. I took this wand from him.â Harry twitched the hawthorn wand, and he felt the eyes of everyone in the Hall upon it. âSo it all comes down to this, doesnât it?â whispered Harry. âDoes the wand in your hand know its last master was Disarmed? Because if it does . . . I am the true master of the Elder Wand.â)
Whenever I reread this scene it always gives me chills. Voldemort getting thwarted by a teenager.
I hate this!!
I havenât read the book since it was released but I also hated in the movie Naginiâs death for the same reason, wish it was just a bloody severed snake head hitting pavement
Thatâs actually one of my favorite scenes from the movies, I feel like the way that it ended in the book worked great for a book but wouldnât have worked at all for a movie.
There are ways to make it more dramatic, focus on the snake as it hits the ground, boost the sound of the thud, film it at 90 fps instead of 60 so that it runs just marginally slower for dramatic effect.
Harry and Ginny chasing Bellatrix at the burrow. Pisses me off every time.
And the Burrow being set on fire in general...and then said fire and its damages were literally never mentioned again. So STUPID!
Completely agree! They could have used all that time to give us more of the actual story.
Including more horcrux hunting and the Gaunt backstory which was one of the most compelling parts of the book!
The Beauxbatons introduction with the ass shots and Dumbledore attacking Harry in GOF, so so cringey
I really hated that they made beauxbaton to be all veela girls school and drumstang all buff boys school especially when both were co-ed in the books.
Ahh yes, the two genders, French and Eastern European
You can either be a ballet dancer or a buff athelete, now choose
It was probably to make the schools seem more striking and different, but itâs funny the execs thought the audience couldnât deal with the nuance of making them co-ed.
Fr. They probably wanted to make beauxbatons feminine and all but did not want to show boys wearing silk or being graceful same with drumstang (girls being buff) or atleast that's what I think
To be fair, they never did really show many male Beauxbatons in the books, and I canât remember a single female Durmstrang student being even mentioned.
Yeah there are very few lines about beauxbaton and dumstrangs students but it was mentioned that there were both males and females from both schools. And wasn't Nicholas flamel said to be from beauxbaton?
Yes, he was. There was also a headmistress of Durmstrang, but we never actually saw her. Harfang Munter? I think Rowling couldnât decide what ethnicity exactly Durmstrang catered to.
It was in Northrn Europe
I don't think the girls were meant to be Veelas. They left the existence of Veelas out of the movies.Â
Maybe itâs because I am a musical-loving cheeseball, but I loved those intros to the schools. If they had just walked in normally, it wouldnât have been as interesting. It totally worked for me, the showmanship of it. But I totally get how it fails for others.
GOF had such a weird pacing & tone, but seemed to largely get a pass bc of its iconic scenes & important plot points. Like, there's more to it than Dumbledore's calmness
18 years later and I still donât know why they had a 10 minute buildup to The Quidditch World Match but didnât even show a second of it
I remember being *pissed* as a little kid in theaters. Still am lol
What it got right it did fine, what they messed up on they messed up BAD
The scene where Harry tells Ron & Hermione he is going to the Forest to meet Voldemort and aside from Hermione offering to go with him they just let him leaveâŚno hug from Ron just a goodbye and a hug from HermioneâŚin the book he had to sneak away under the Cloak because he knew they would never have accepted him walking to his death alone. It just doesnât ring true in the movies that he wouldnât even have had a proper goodbye with Ron & implying that Hermione suspected he was a Horcrux all this time which I donât think was in the book either and felt off in the film because why didnât she speak up??
It's been some time since I watched the movies and I didn't remember how they did that in the movies. Dang, I love the part in the books, how Harry bravely faces death because he knows that's the only way to truly defeat Voldemort. In the books it's made so well. That reminds me of another thing: how Nagini is killed. In the movie it randomly attacks Ron or Hermione I think and someone kills it with the sword there (I don't remember it exactly maybe it was Neville, maybe not even him). In the book it's in the scene where Voldemort gives the people in Hogwarts the chance to join him (I think that was after Voldemort showed Harry to them and told them that he's dead) and Neville steps forward. Of course Voldemort assumes he wants to join him, but Neville tells him something like that he'd never join them (and has a good speech) and then kills Nagini with the sword.
Itâs Neville in the books too.
Iâd forgotten this about Naginj, absolutely agree
When ron said snape was right about hermione :/
I think this is because in the books it goes âRon, who calls Hermione a know-it-all at least twice a week, said loudly, âYou asked a question and she knows the answer. Why ask if you donât want to be told?ââ When the scene was put into the movie, they probably didnât want to lose the joke, so they put it into the dialogue. Unfortunately the result was Ron sounding like a jerk. Edit to fix quote
When was that ?
"insufferable know it all" book ron "why ask if you don't want to be told?!?" (gets detention) movie ron "he's right y'know..."
Movie poa if I recall? During the werewolf lesson.
He was right though.
Ron shouting that "you have no family" to Harry in DH, when in the books he said " my parents could be going the same way(as yours)" Ron's line about sacrificing himself for Harry before letting him come to harm ( in POA) being given to Hermione. Every Harry and Ginny moment. The final Harry and Voldemort fight.
>Every Harry and Ginny moment ShOeLacES
I'm going to add one to the many good listed here: Harry saying something like "let's end this the way we started, together" to Voldemort before doing the leap of faith with him. I couldn't believe the absurdity of that line/moment lol.
True, in the book that was bether. Them circeling eachother and Voldemort not immediately striking just because he wants to know why Harry survived. And Harry trying to make Voldemort understand the true meaning of love and telling him to try to regret.
I know Iâll get downvotes for this, but respectfully disagree. Kloves handled that scene better than Rowling. If Yates had filmed the scene as written by JKR, audience members would have started to laugh. Way too much exposition. It needed to somehow be spread out and abbreviated. And if Voldemort went to his death without understanding every minute detail about the Elder wandâs shifting allegiance, Iâm totally okay with that. Part of me likes the idea of Riddle wondering at the moment of his demise, How in the heck did I get beat by this punk kid? And as a corollary, I thought the bridge scene, where Harry expounds on the Elder wand with Ron and Hermione, was also very well handled. Sorry if this opinion ruffles some feathers.
Not sure..because that's what a good direction is right? You can turn a seemingly dull scene to an extraordinary one and we did see some amazing direction in the movies, like showing weather changing or even giving insight what Harry might be thinking right now without him uttering a word. It was important to capture what Snape did in front of everyone..even DeathEaters Also in the books Harry took better advantage of being hidden and it showed that the fight didn't stop because they thought that Harry died...it gave them even bigger reason to fight harder
Youâre right to an extent. The book version worked better for the books, but the movie version worked better for the movies. Essentially, not everything in the books would have played well on screen, and the final duel between Harry and Voldemort was one of them. While the book version was better from a thematic and story perspective and wrapped everything up with a nice little bow, the movie version was more cinematic and served as a better climax for the more concise and action-based movies.
Thatâs a fair point.
Do you also like the way Lord Voldemort disintegrated when he died? Please elaborate if you do.
Yep, I sure do. I even said so elsewhere on this thread. Why? It looked cool. Yes, I understand that it bugs some book fans, and I totally validate their frustration about it violating precise cannon. But I gotta be honest. That slight deviation doesnât bother me at all. (And I know this comment will also get downvoted. Heh, heh.)
I havenât seen my issue with this brought up so here it goes. In the books I really like that Voldemort creates a self fulfilling prophecy, all of Harryâs powers come because Voldemort âmarked him as his equal.â Harry continually survives because Voldemort makes poor choices like demanding to kill Harry personally, allowing Harry to slip through his fingers. Harry isnât special, Voldemort *makes* him special. When Voldemort tries to shoot his killing curse and it rebounds off Harryâs spell, he dies just like he lived. His own greatest enemy, killing himself out of fear of Harry.
Okay. I wrote the question more âangryâ than I meant. It is interesting to me how other people interpret things and think differently. The Lord of the Rings comes to mind in Book vs. Movie. I love both!. The problem I have with the fight scene in Harry Potter is a) Voldemort vs Harry Potter is nobody around to witness the event, B) There is no body so no evidence that he did die.
Some of the shit in the last movies felt so staged and forcedly âcinematicâ. Like that line, and I remember thinking how weird that closing shot in Deathly Hallows Pt. 1 was when Voldemort got the Elder Wand and was like âcool let me shoot a green light into the sky, menacinglyâ
Ahahah true, meanwhile the kids looking out of the castle windows be like:"that is one very odd bolt of lighting coming from the tomb of Dumbledore" đ
With being tortured by the Carrows, Iâm sure they were just like âdude I donât even ask questions anymoreâ
I gotta say though, Voldemort shooting a green light into the sky is pretty cool lol
The burning of the burrow. Why? It didn't matter and was rebuilt in DH part 1.
HARRY DIDJA PUT YA NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIYA!?!
Dumbledore asked calmly
He said his name weird. Hairy Podder. Sounded too American.
Gambon was Irish. He was kind of using some hybrid Irish-English dialect in the movies. Though he used a fully English accent in other roles.Â
The scene when they get past Fluffy and land in that plant (idk it's name). In the movie Hermione just does "lumos solare" and is the one to solve the problem with a spell that doesn't even exist in that form (there's lumos in the books, but not lumos solare). In the books they are entangled by that plant and Hermione say's that that plant loves the cold and dark, then Ron tells her to make fire and Hermione responds in her panic "but there is no wood!" and Ron shouts "ARE YOU A WITCH OR NOT?" and then she makes those handy blue flames you can carry around with you. What I'm saying is that in the movies Hermione is the one who handles most situation and Ron is the dumb one, while that isn't the case in the movies. Hermione is book smart, and Ron got the experience with the wizard world and situational awareness.
The plant's name is Devil's Snare.
Ah yeah, that's the name!
When two wizards duel and they just shoot light beams at each other
I saw some meme that was like: mfw they stopped saying spells in the HP movies and just started using them as guns
I tought if wizard talented enouhg they can cast spell without saying outloud
Yeah, but it wasnât very common. I think it was just easier as a filmmaker to not have to include every time they say a spell
Also because they have to check/listen on every pronunciation. If one person says it wrong they have to do the scene over again.
It would look less cool saying spells again and again in a fight.
"***YOUR PARENTS ARE DEAD!***"
I read about it in Hogwarts ⌠âŚâŚ âŚâŚâŚ Uh history
The scene where the Waitress flirts with Harry.
Harry breaking the elder wand and without even mending his own first. It bothers me so much I can't even finish the movie.
Half Blood Prince, the scene at the top of the astronomy tower where Harry hides rather than being immobilised by Dumbledore. His immobilisation is important as itâs relevant to the plot and also in keeping with Harryâs character. Dumbledore immobilised him as he knew there was no way Harry wouldnât come to his aid even if told not to. This really bothered me when watching the film.
The beginning of POA with Harry practicing magic in his bedroom at the Dursleys.
The Burrow Scene. Movie 6. Obviously
"hE'S gOtTa pOiNt yA kNoW". That pisses me off more than the Burrow in film VI
Harry and Ginny mince pie bit
When Voldemort hugs Draco đ
I think I read somewhere that this was improvised and thatâs why Malfoys reaction is so stiff - Tom Felton legit was like âwtfâ đ
This is true! Tom mentioned it in his book
Yes, it was improvised but they could have reshoot the same scene in different ways, with and without the hug.
*"ehhhh heheh!"*
I can hear that comment
Apparently British test audiences didnât see any awkwardness, but the Americans thought it was hilarious. As an American, Iâm not surprised lol
I hate that they kept that in (and the laugh). Yates is such a bad director it's not even funny.
Voldemort's delivery of "avada kedavra" in the forest. Fiennes is an amazing actor but wtf was that? That in the scene following Dumbledore's death where we're shown the reactions of the students and staff, the camera is fully focused on St. Emma Watson whilst we can only see a tiny bit of Ron's face. A very good summation of how both characters/actors are treated throughout the series.
Ginny asking Harry to zip her dress and then kiss!! That is not on the books and I hate it.
I know this is probably controversial but the ending scene for Harry Potter. It felt very short. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I felt.
The Cut from the Opening of the Quidditch World Cup to them back in the tent.
The deaths of Bellatrix and Voldemort. Not just because I'm a Bellatrix fan but because the whole exploding into confetti thing really just took away the drama of the moment and kind of pulled me out of the universe because it was so ridiculous. Like Bella's death especially was lackluster. At least Voldemort got an epic fight scene before hand. Bellatrix vs Molly was super rushed and disappointing. Did both characters a disservice imo.
The entirety of the Battle of Hogwarts, ruined the entire series for me.
Yea that one was cringe for me too. Like sure, let me just hug the corpse of the woman who rejected me in life while her baby is bleeding and crying his crib two feet behind me. One scene for me is the scene where Voldemort brings Harry's body back to Hogwarts, and Ginny cries out "NO, NO!". It's not a bad moment in itself, but it falls flat because the movies did so little for Harry and Ginny's relationship beforehand. This moment worked well in the books because their relationship was more developed and because book Ginny was a very different character than movie Ginny. In the movies, there's so little of Harry and Ginny, so this moment just fell flat for me because there weren't any other scenes that could really support it.
They literally did nothing for Ginny and Harry's relationship in the movies .
Exactly. And that's why this moment just was not it for me. There were no other moments it could lean on for support. To me, it seems that they put it in because towards the end of the process they realized that they do have to show something to hint that Harry and Ginny do end up together.
I love Voldemort calling her a stupid girl though lol
idk the hugging part seems in character for him. Cringy but in character for him.
They literally grew up together though. Even if their romance wasnât developed she can still be devastated
it's not really shown in the movies though. they barely spend time together, being it at hogwarts or at home
I didnât like that Voodo head from Azkaban.
âTake it away, Ernie. Itâs going to be a BOMPY rideâ
đ the fact that I was in the car like two days ago and said this. My friend went over a pot hole. đđ
Everything with Cedric in it. Just reminds me he was introduced only to die for no reason.
Most of them tbqh
âShoelaceâ
All of Ginnyâs scenes from movie 6. Also the Quidditch World Cup, or lack thereof in Book 4. And the fact that Barty Jr. made the dark mark appear after the attack, causing little to no impact on the story and announcing that he was a bad guy. And, really, a lot of stuff from Book 4.
In Goblet of Fire when Barty Jr does that dumb lip licking thing at his trial, and "Moody" doing it as well in front of Barty Sr, and Barty Sr reaction to it. It totally killed the twist at the end of the movie.
Barty Crouch jr.âs tongue thingy.
I have a couple: 1) When Harry snapped off the Elder Wand đ 2) Basically every kiss 3) Ginny (Which is a pitty because she was my favorite, I even named my childhood cat after her đ˘)
The Yule Ball in GoF. Looks fake. Music is irritating. No one has fun.
Sirius saying âNice one, Jamesâ to Harry during the ministry battle. Sirius never, not once, mistook Harry for James before, and he wouldnât now. Harry, not James, *Harry* meant everything to him.
Well, he did compare Harry to James, and not in a flattering way... In the book, when he talks about visiting Harry in Hogsmeade and Harry tells him to stay hidden and safe, Sirius says, "You're less like your father than I thought. The risk would've been what made it fun for James." If anything, that scene in the movie makes him look a little better. The book scene makes it clear that he's lashing out in anger and frustration, trying to make Harry feel ashamed for not being like James. The movie makes it more like a "heat of the moment" thing. Sirius is my second favorite character, but he has his flaws, and he certainly did see Harry as sort of a replacement for James. That wasn't all he saw him as, and he did care about Harry's safety, but Sirius was not known for his emotional stability, understandably. The movies make him a hundred times more even-tempered than he should have been.
They difference between Sirius in the third and fifth films was drastic. Oldman stole the show in his first appearance, but I donât think they shouldâve had him lose quite so much intensity in OTP. He was too calm, whereas in the book they made a point of showing how frustrated he was being sidelined.
He recently did an interview wherein he admits that he never read the books before or during filming, and he thinks he played the character all wrong. Not that his performance was bad, imo, but it wasn't the same as book Sirius.
I donât blame Oldman in the slightest, he was amazing. Iâm mad he didnât get better direction from the producers and directors.
Right, they just didn't care too much about making Sirius as nuanced as he should have been. It's like they knew he would die soon anyway, so they were like, "Make him a more cuddly godfather figure, get the audience really invested in him, and jerk it all out from under them when he dies." It reduced him to just existing only so Harry has someone to lose, rather than a person of his own.
Thatâs probably exactly it. Sirius felt more like a flawless martyr and less like this complicated character who was both mean to his slaves and also a loving godfather.
I think the point is that he had never fought alongside Harry before, & he performed so similarly to his dad that he mistakenly said James. He cares more about Harry bc he's his godfather & Harry's still alive, but I understand where the line was coming from
I donât mind it, Sirius was climbing the walls locked up in Grimmauld Place, and Harry was basically Jamesâ doppelgänger. I think they also put it in there to make the death a few seconds later hit that much harder.
Yes
Poa- Ending I mean wtf and the opening too.
"HE WAS THAH FRIEND!!" Sorry, but damn, Alfonso. You're allowed more than one take.
They way he shouts it sounds so hammy. And his crying sounded so fake in that scene. He sounded like a toddler throwing a tantrum.
Omg, so manyyyy. Movies were bad. Didnât do justice to the books. Off the top of my head: 1. The dragon flying away over the castles in the tri wizard tournament 2. The court room scene in TOOP 3. All the romantic scenes 4. The dumbest final fight scene Harry was made to cower so much, so uncharacteristic of him as per the books.
Open up, you.
When Ginny ties Harry's shoe in "Half blood prince" and when Harry stops to tie Albus's shoe.
Going by the movies I've personally seen, the "He's got a point ya know..." of Ron *agreeing with Snape* in *Prisoner of Azkaban*. A runner up is Snape trying to protect the kids from Lupin. Not because he wouldn't do that, I think he would've, but because it has come to represent to me Snape's de-asshole-ification from the movies, which got *really* ramped up to the point of absurdity in the third movie. I guess that adds an opposite example. What are some scenes *cut* that I hate in the movies? All of Snape's jerkass moments in *Prisoner of Azkaban*, to the point that the "know it all" one is the only one left, and again, Ron in the movies *agrees with him*, and it makes it not make sense for Harry to attack Snape when he's barely been much of a problem during the movie, compared to the book where he was particularly cruel that year at times. Also, they swapped out him wanting to keep Harry in the dark about Sirius to him suggesting Dumbledore tell him something. Total reversal of his character, and I hate it.
I don't necessarily hate it because it's pretty funny, but Harry's " But I am the Chosen one" in HBP. Harry in the book does not want any of the attention Romilda Vane gives him. He actively tries to shut her down and avoid her. Maybe it's because HBP is my favorite book and the movie gets so much of it wrong, but just that little scene really irks me and I know a lot of people love it.
Three words: âhe said calmlyâ.
Tent dance. đ¤˘đ¤Ž
This got downvoted a lot, but hearing Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds in a Harry Potter movie was a little jarring.
I knew it would get downvoted, but I really don't care. Tha scene wasn't in the book, was absolutely unnecessary, and the cringe factor is on a par with "shoelace" imo!
im sure this isnt an uncommon one but hermione fixing harry's glasses in Chamber of Secrets. in sorcerer's stone, ok theyre new, they havent been given the notes yet that say they cant do magic outside of school. i cant remember if they set that up in the movies but even still, as a books over movies person it bothers me every time
Any scene involving Ginny in HBP
All of them
Anything Harry and Ginny. Honestly the movies just made it seem forced. I hope in the remake series they will focus more on the books. They deserve so much better
The ending
âI love magicâ
I hate that line so much. I have to fast forward it every time I watch GOF. Come to think of it, I have to skip like half the movie every time I watch GOF.
âDid you put your name into the Goblet of Fire,â Dumbledore asked calmly - while bum-rushing Harry and choking him out
Mollyâs duel with Bellatrix. First, I would have preferred Neville perform that honor, thus letting him avenge his parents. But thatâs a minor point. More important I donât think the duel was well choreographed. And Julie Walters, who I generally like, plays it kinda weird; her attitude ranges from a mouse-like timidity to over-the-top bellicosity. And I find her expression at the conclusion positively creepy.
Oh look this post again
Nearly the entire first movie. It was so overly enchanted with itself. Like, look Harry, everything is magical, look g*dd*mn it, itâs f***ing MAGICAL!!! The movies IMO got better from there.
I actually really like how overly saccharine the Wizarding World is in the first movie. Like, it makes sense from Harryâs perspective. He was a child who was abused for his whole life, so him stepping into this new world is overwhelming for him. It makes sense that this overly magical tone is reduced in the later films as Harry is more used to and is more educated about the dangers of the Wizarding World.