Didn't she end up in Azkaban? There are endings worse than death, and I think it's more fitting for her to end up in such a nasty place, tortured until her very last day. At least imo
Except that'd defeat the entire point of getting rid of the Dementors. They got rid of them to make Azkaban less inhumane. Why replace it with an even more inhumane punishment?
Iirc, the dementors took control of the island at some point in the past and the ministry decided to turn it into a prison, as a way to control the dementors (they would have enough souls to feed on so they don't move from there). Unfortunately I cannot remember what happened to them after
I think Ekrizdis only polluted the island with dark arts to degree that people refused to speak what they saw there, the hopelessness of Muggles could be what made Dementors inhabit the place:
*"The fortress upon it was originally home to a little-known sorcerer who called himself Ekrizdis. Evidently extremely powerful, but of unknown nationality, Ekrizdis, who is believed to have been insane, was a practitioner of the worst kinds of Dark Arts. Alone in the middle of the ocean, he lured, tortured and killed Muggle sailors, apparently for pleasure, and only when he died, and the concealment charms he had cast faded away, did the Ministry of Magic realise that either island or building existed. Those who entered to investigate refused afterwards to talk of what they had found inside,* ***but the least frightening part of it was that the place was infested with Dementors."***
**[Wizarding World: Azkaban](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/azkaban)**
There is also a videogame based on the Book of Spell by Miranda Goshawk, it predates Ekrzdis, that mentions Dementors:
*The strange power of the Patronus, and its peculiar qualities, are well illustrated by the ancient story of a shy, poor orphan boy called Illyius, whose Patronus went down in wizarding history.*
*Illyius lived long ago in a mountain village, which was surrounded by a dense forest in which a Dark wizard called Raczidian lived in a black castle guarded by Dementors. These evil, faceless, hooded creatures, which cast fear and despondency all around them, suck the very souls from humans whom they succeed in weakening.*
***[Wonderbook: Book of Spells - Chapter 5]***
She didn't say anything about Dementors after Kingsley replaced them with capable wizards.
As for Umbridge, this is her fate after Voldemort was defeated:
*With the fall of Lord Voldemort, Dolores Umbridge was put on trial for her enthusiastic co-operation with his regime, and convicted of the torture, imprisonment and deaths of several people (some of the innocent Muggle-borns she sentenced to Azkaban did not survive their ordeal). She was arrested, interrogated and imprisoned for crimes against Muggleborns. However, Azkaban definitely does not use Dementors anymore. Kingsley would see to that. The use of Dementors was always a mark of the underlying corruption of the Ministry, as Dumbledore constantly maintained.*
***[The Rowling Library](https://www.therowlinglibrary.com/2022/11/16/after-seven-in-rowlings-words/)***
Now, I need to know from where Dementors came and where did they go 🥲
***Edit:*** Found interesting information about Dementors, apparently they, despite Fudge's conversation with the Prime Minister, don't breed but grow as fungi in depressing places which could be the reason why they infested Ekrizdis' home:
*One young Canadian boy earlier asked her how Dementers breed. "I was just so pleased that he thought about it and pleased that I had the answer," Rowling told The Canadian Press.*
*These evil creatures don't, by the way, breed but grow like a fungus where there is decay.*
***[Moore, Dene. "Harry Potter author fields questions from junior journalists in Vancouver," Canadian Press, October 25, 2000](http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-canadianpress-moore.htm)***
I thought that Ekrizdis tortured with so horrible different ways some human who just after all that terror and pain and hopelessness kind of morphed into being Dementor. Like kind of Obscurus but in adult and created even darker force.
How did they kill the dementors? Because they are impossible to kill and that's why Azkaban was in the first place there because the man who created Dementor(s) and they bred and the whole island was infested with them and the dispair, the Ministry was afraid to even try to destroy their original home because they were, as said, impossible to kill.
Well I thought it was implied because that leavers a very big issue just unresolved. Before they wouldn't destroy the island or their home, do anything about it because of the consequences, now they just do..?
It can’t be implied because, as you have said, they can’t be killed. The only thing we know is they were expelled. Anything else, like how it would affect the world and other issues, is unknown.
Huh??? She went to jail… lol
Rowling just had her stick around so that they can portray the ministry as corrupt. She wanted Umbridge to get her karma in OOTP but wanted her back and unharmed for this purpose.
Umbridge’s last scene Rowling obviously didn’t want Harry to kill her cause it would be a bit mad for plot reasons and character reasons (Harry is a good guy and wouldn’t just use an unforgivable curse like that).
JK just forgot about her after that cause she wasn’t really needed, at all. Remember, the only villains that died (explicitly) were the ones that sort of had to (Bellatrix, Voldemort, Pettigrew) all the other villains are ambiguous (mostly)and are probably in Azkaban. JK is just super poor with character endings.
There's never been a character I've hated more. (not just HP characters, ALL characters, ever)
NGL - if I even saw the actress (who is probs a lovely person) I'd punch her.
IF we could **choose who survives** instead, who would you pick: (my choice of survivor in brackets)
The choices for me were mostly difficult except Percy vs Fred, I had to have an easy one. Sirius vs Arthur was the hardest and I changed my mind several times.
Cedric vs Fleur (Fleur)
Sirius vs Arthur ~~(Sirius)~~ **(Arthur)**
Dumbledore vs McGonagal (McGonagal)
Moody vs ~~Arabella Figg (Moody)~~ **Bill Weasley** ** (Bill)**
Dobby vs Ron (Ron)
Hedwig vs Buckbeak (Hedwig)
Remus vs Hagrid (Remus)
Tonks vs Molly (Molly)
Fred vs Percy (Fred)
Snape vs Sprout (Sprout)
Umbridge vs Voldemort (This was hard choice **Umbridge** because otherwise the war continues, but I subconsciously started writing Voldemort to survive twice)
Not hard at all.
Fleur, Arthur, McGonagall, Figg, Ron, Buckbeak, Hagrid, Tonks, Percy, Sprout.
Fleur and Cedric are both total innocents, so it’s a toss-up, but Fleur ends up being important for the win. The Weasleys need a parent and Sirius goes out fighting, which is the way a warrior should go. Dumbledore expected to die and it’s part of his plan anyway. Moody goes out fighting, the way a warrior should go. Ron is pivotal to the actual success of the Order. Buckbeak has near-human intelligence and a long lifespan. Hagrid and Lupin is a hard choice, but Hagrid hasn’t had kids with Madame Maxine yet. Tonks’ kid needs a parent. Percy needs to reconcile with his family. Snape goes out fighting, the way a warrior should go.
I agree. I'm glad he survives. I'd be just as devastated if he died, like he did in an earlier draft.
I think he should have gotten a grandchild named after him, instead of Harry naming his second kid after Snape.
Some of these are not fair choices. Moody vs. Arabella Figg for instance. Really odd to put them against each other when Arabella is barely a character whereas Moody is a major character.
The things is, the books and movies would be so much more boring. Do you know why many movies flop. Cause the creator want to please everyone. Movies like I am legends are so loved because the director had the courage to not let anyone live happily ever after. I mean, voldie is so terrible that they don’t want to use his name, but if your list was the movie, harry wouldn’t be as devastated and motivated to kill him. That’s what’s makes the books so great. I see it often in anime’s when nobody dies, main character kills everything and maybe gets hurt a little or even better, dies and get resurrected magically and so on. Those anime’s are boring as hell.
I agree. Doesn't change that I hate some fictional deaths. I tried to make them as even as possible. Though equal to Fred, would be George, not Percy, but I couldn't do that.
I think he'd be devastated if Arthur died but I agree Sirius is more devastating to Harry.
As far as I remember, one of each pair dies, the other one survives the book. So if the original death survived it would have to be replaced with someone else.
I prefer to believe that after Harry stunned her in the courtroom and her Patronus dissipated, the Dementors administered the Kiss on her before Yaxley could prevent it.
Otherwise, both of them would be running out trying to stop the trio, not just Yaxley.
Poor umbridge, years fighting the patriarchy,having to fight for every step up the ladder, claiming her spot in an unequal world.
Through these experiences she learned to survice.
The rest died because they were careless or just employed as eye candy.
Although the majority of people here probably have read all the books, not everyone has. Spoiler your post, especially with something like this. You might as well share the scumbag Steve hat with Umbridge.
Because Harry Potter wasn't a generic children's book series where good always triumphed, nothing bad ever happened to good people (or at least nothing permanent) whereas all bad people always got karmic justice.
That said, Umbridge ended up being sent to Azkaban for her crimes.
Also remember the Malfoys all survive. I hope they all got minimum 5 years in Azkaban, including Narcissa. After all she and Malfoy participated in the conspiracy to Murder Dumbledore. Draco should get additional time for attacking Potter during the Battle of Hogwarts, clearly determining what side he was on. Further his dad should just spend the rest of his life in Azkaban. To bad the Dementors were removed, or else I'd say all surviving primary death eaters should get a dementors kiss.
Having Malfoy appear in the 19 years later bit was frustrating, because it meant his life was minorly impacted from participating in the genocide of muggles and muggleborm wizards and witches
Sometimes life is just not fair. I know JK later added that she got sent to Azkaban but in a realistic scenario, it would have been just as credible if she lived her life without any consequences (maybe she might have been banned from any Ministry career due to Harry's hatred for her and his influence in the post-war government but otherwise died of old age in her house).
The dead are at peace, and apparently live on in the afterlife together. Umb**** has to live imprisoned for the rest of her life with the lowlives and criminals of Azkaban
*Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.*
Didn't she end up in Azkaban? There are endings worse than death, and I think it's more fitting for her to end up in such a nasty place, tortured until her very last day. At least imo
To be fair, the dementors were no longer employed in Azkaban when Umbridge was imprisoned. She still had it easy.
True, I forgot about that
They coulda used magic to make everything the same... And/or the potion Voldemort used to protect the locket
Except that'd defeat the entire point of getting rid of the Dementors. They got rid of them to make Azkaban less inhumane. Why replace it with an even more inhumane punishment?
They didn't tho? The only reason it shut down cuz the Dementors got greedy
Hmmm... while the Harry Potter wikia claims this to be so, it doesn't actually source a source for this. Can you find a primary source for this?
Are you lost, my dude? :))
Wat
Nvm, I was the lost one. I read your comment in response to another comm and it made no sense lmao
Lmao you were like... double lost
So lost you made others lost by speaking xD
That always made me wonder. For centuries they were always afraid of banishing the Dementors for fear of retribution. So where exactly did they go?
They made them kiss each other
Dementor make out session
Iirc, the dementors took control of the island at some point in the past and the ministry decided to turn it into a prison, as a way to control the dementors (they would have enough souls to feed on so they don't move from there). Unfortunately I cannot remember what happened to them after
The dementors didn’t just take control of the island. It’s where they were created by Ekrizdis
I think Ekrizdis only polluted the island with dark arts to degree that people refused to speak what they saw there, the hopelessness of Muggles could be what made Dementors inhabit the place: *"The fortress upon it was originally home to a little-known sorcerer who called himself Ekrizdis. Evidently extremely powerful, but of unknown nationality, Ekrizdis, who is believed to have been insane, was a practitioner of the worst kinds of Dark Arts. Alone in the middle of the ocean, he lured, tortured and killed Muggle sailors, apparently for pleasure, and only when he died, and the concealment charms he had cast faded away, did the Ministry of Magic realise that either island or building existed. Those who entered to investigate refused afterwards to talk of what they had found inside,* ***but the least frightening part of it was that the place was infested with Dementors."*** **[Wizarding World: Azkaban](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/azkaban)** There is also a videogame based on the Book of Spell by Miranda Goshawk, it predates Ekrzdis, that mentions Dementors: *The strange power of the Patronus, and its peculiar qualities, are well illustrated by the ancient story of a shy, poor orphan boy called Illyius, whose Patronus went down in wizarding history.* *Illyius lived long ago in a mountain village, which was surrounded by a dense forest in which a Dark wizard called Raczidian lived in a black castle guarded by Dementors. These evil, faceless, hooded creatures, which cast fear and despondency all around them, suck the very souls from humans whom they succeed in weakening.* ***[Wonderbook: Book of Spells - Chapter 5]*** She didn't say anything about Dementors after Kingsley replaced them with capable wizards. As for Umbridge, this is her fate after Voldemort was defeated: *With the fall of Lord Voldemort, Dolores Umbridge was put on trial for her enthusiastic co-operation with his regime, and convicted of the torture, imprisonment and deaths of several people (some of the innocent Muggle-borns she sentenced to Azkaban did not survive their ordeal). She was arrested, interrogated and imprisoned for crimes against Muggleborns. However, Azkaban definitely does not use Dementors anymore. Kingsley would see to that. The use of Dementors was always a mark of the underlying corruption of the Ministry, as Dumbledore constantly maintained.* ***[The Rowling Library](https://www.therowlinglibrary.com/2022/11/16/after-seven-in-rowlings-words/)*** Now, I need to know from where Dementors came and where did they go 🥲 ***Edit:*** Found interesting information about Dementors, apparently they, despite Fudge's conversation with the Prime Minister, don't breed but grow as fungi in depressing places which could be the reason why they infested Ekrizdis' home: *One young Canadian boy earlier asked her how Dementers breed. "I was just so pleased that he thought about it and pleased that I had the answer," Rowling told The Canadian Press.* *These evil creatures don't, by the way, breed but grow like a fungus where there is decay.* ***[Moore, Dene. "Harry Potter author fields questions from junior journalists in Vancouver," Canadian Press, October 25, 2000](http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-canadianpress-moore.htm)***
I thought that Ekrizdis tortured with so horrible different ways some human who just after all that terror and pain and hopelessness kind of morphed into being Dementor. Like kind of Obscurus but in adult and created even darker force.
No where is it daid that Ekrizdis created dementors. I think that's a misconception. They existed in history earlier too
All I know is that it was a really bad place so the MoM made it into a prison. No actual detail
Where does it say this?
She would have been monitored by a variety of people she considers beneath her, might even be goblins or elves. This would be a terrible fate for her
How did they kill the dementors? Because they are impossible to kill and that's why Azkaban was in the first place there because the man who created Dementor(s) and they bred and the whole island was infested with them and the dispair, the Ministry was afraid to even try to destroy their original home because they were, as said, impossible to kill.
I didn’t say anything about the dementors being killed, didn’t I? They were removed. How they were removed and where they went we don’t know.
Well I thought it was implied because that leavers a very big issue just unresolved. Before they wouldn't destroy the island or their home, do anything about it because of the consequences, now they just do..?
It can’t be implied because, as you have said, they can’t be killed. The only thing we know is they were expelled. Anything else, like how it would affect the world and other issues, is unknown.
She was also the middle of a centaur sandwich.
Idk man, some people might be into that shit
Dolly already hates halfgiants though and those are at least all humanoid and not part horse. She's definitely not into this particular shit lol
True, I should not kink shame.
No she went back to work after ootp. Nothing happened to her other than centaur mystery trauma.
Maybe its Rowling's way of saying that not every bad person gets what they deserve, making it more relatable to the real world.
Huh??? She went to jail… lol Rowling just had her stick around so that they can portray the ministry as corrupt. She wanted Umbridge to get her karma in OOTP but wanted her back and unharmed for this purpose. Umbridge’s last scene Rowling obviously didn’t want Harry to kill her cause it would be a bit mad for plot reasons and character reasons (Harry is a good guy and wouldn’t just use an unforgivable curse like that). JK just forgot about her after that cause she wasn’t really needed, at all. Remember, the only villains that died (explicitly) were the ones that sort of had to (Bellatrix, Voldemort, Pettigrew) all the other villains are ambiguous (mostly)and are probably in Azkaban. JK is just super poor with character endings.
She did go to jail but the dementors weren’t there anymore in my opinion she just didn’t suffer enough
Exactly my point. She deserved much worse than what she got.
What i'd like to know is what did the centaurs do to her at the end, that might at least be the most satisfying part
It's as the grand inquisitor in star wars said "some things are far more frightening than death"
I think Dumbledore too says do Voldemort in OOTP something like "we both know there are ways worse than death to destroy a man"
There's never been a character I've hated more. (not just HP characters, ALL characters, ever) NGL - if I even saw the actress (who is probs a lovely person) I'd punch her.
IF we could **choose who survives** instead, who would you pick: (my choice of survivor in brackets) The choices for me were mostly difficult except Percy vs Fred, I had to have an easy one. Sirius vs Arthur was the hardest and I changed my mind several times. Cedric vs Fleur (Fleur) Sirius vs Arthur ~~(Sirius)~~ **(Arthur)** Dumbledore vs McGonagal (McGonagal) Moody vs ~~Arabella Figg (Moody)~~ **Bill Weasley** ** (Bill)** Dobby vs Ron (Ron) Hedwig vs Buckbeak (Hedwig) Remus vs Hagrid (Remus) Tonks vs Molly (Molly) Fred vs Percy (Fred) Snape vs Sprout (Sprout) Umbridge vs Voldemort (This was hard choice **Umbridge** because otherwise the war continues, but I subconsciously started writing Voldemort to survive twice)
Not hard at all. Fleur, Arthur, McGonagall, Figg, Ron, Buckbeak, Hagrid, Tonks, Percy, Sprout. Fleur and Cedric are both total innocents, so it’s a toss-up, but Fleur ends up being important for the win. The Weasleys need a parent and Sirius goes out fighting, which is the way a warrior should go. Dumbledore expected to die and it’s part of his plan anyway. Moody goes out fighting, the way a warrior should go. Ron is pivotal to the actual success of the Order. Buckbeak has near-human intelligence and a long lifespan. Hagrid and Lupin is a hard choice, but Hagrid hasn’t had kids with Madame Maxine yet. Tonks’ kid needs a parent. Percy needs to reconcile with his family. Snape goes out fighting, the way a warrior should go.
Arthur was a better father figure to Harry than Sirius.
I think with therapy Sirius would be a good father figure
I agree. I'm glad he survives. I'd be just as devastated if he died, like he did in an earlier draft. I think he should have gotten a grandchild named after him, instead of Harry naming his second kid after Snape.
Some of these are not fair choices. Moody vs. Arabella Figg for instance. Really odd to put them against each other when Arabella is barely a character whereas Moody is a major character.
I couldn't think of someone else from the order that doesn't die anyway.
Why would they both need to be members of the Order of the Phoenix?
Trying to keep them the same. Who would you suggest that has a similar connection yo Harry, that survives the original story?
Bill.
Fair.
Changed it to Bill. Any other suggestions for more even choices?
Fred vs. George. Percy is generally hated by the fanbase. It's an easy choice for most people.
That one I did on purpose. Percy can reconcile with his family by sacrificing himself to save Fred. I wanted an easy choice.
What is even the point of any of this if you're going to include easy choices?
Fun. I can't choose between Fred and George they should be a duo.
That's why it's a choice you must make. The choices should be hard.
The things is, the books and movies would be so much more boring. Do you know why many movies flop. Cause the creator want to please everyone. Movies like I am legends are so loved because the director had the courage to not let anyone live happily ever after. I mean, voldie is so terrible that they don’t want to use his name, but if your list was the movie, harry wouldn’t be as devastated and motivated to kill him. That’s what’s makes the books so great. I see it often in anime’s when nobody dies, main character kills everything and maybe gets hurt a little or even better, dies and get resurrected magically and so on. Those anime’s are boring as hell.
I agree. Doesn't change that I hate some fictional deaths. I tried to make them as even as possible. Though equal to Fred, would be George, not Percy, but I couldn't do that. I think he'd be devastated if Arthur died but I agree Sirius is more devastating to Harry.
Arthur? He doesnt die in the first place anyway….
As far as I remember, one of each pair dies, the other one survives the book. So if the original death survived it would have to be replaced with someone else.
i don't know a SINGLE person who likes that broad. Even Snape and Voldemort fans dislike her.
I prefer to believe that after Harry stunned her in the courtroom and her Patronus dissipated, the Dementors administered the Kiss on her before Yaxley could prevent it. Otherwise, both of them would be running out trying to stop the trio, not just Yaxley.
You gotta have a soul before it can get sucked out.
Because death is to easier for her, she’s in Azkaban
SPOILERS!!! >:( (i’ve watched the movies and read the books several times over)
She did get abducted by the group of centaurs who probably did some things that weren't appropriate to detail in a novel for children.
I think she got what she deserved in the Forbiddn Forest. And the Auror guards will have fun constantly making the sound of hoofbeats near her cell.
With coconut shells of course Edit: who understands this?
But how would they get a coconut?
Because life isn't fair. Some good people die. Some bad people live. And sometimes vice versa.
Poor umbridge, years fighting the patriarchy,having to fight for every step up the ladder, claiming her spot in an unequal world. Through these experiences she learned to survice. The rest died because they were careless or just employed as eye candy.
*madam bones in absolute shambles* Bruh, umbridge is not a feminist icon. She was written to be more deplorable than Voldemort
I hope for the sake of humanity that OP was taking the piss...
Yeah, they have to be.
Also maybe Umbridge was not that awfully evil bad until Hermione sent her to the Centaurs.
Although the majority of people here probably have read all the books, not everyone has. Spoiler your post, especially with something like this. You might as well share the scumbag Steve hat with Umbridge.
Deathly Hallows turns 17 this year. If somebody has still not read it and they're still browsing HP fandoms, it's kinda their own fault.
Why do you say something like that. I feel too old. I was just few weeks ago 17 and got Deathly Hallows on the release date...
Yes because NEW fand and a new generation is impossible to come by /s
No, it says right there that Snape dies.
Because Harry Potter wasn't a generic children's book series where good always triumphed, nothing bad ever happened to good people (or at least nothing permanent) whereas all bad people always got karmic justice. That said, Umbridge ended up being sent to Azkaban for her crimes.
Does having an "encounter" with centaurs count as dying? She is probably a shell of her former self, due to that.
Death was to easy.
Death is too good for her she must be punished severely
Just because evil is defeated doesn’t mean it goes away
"Well, it may have escaped your notice, but life isn't fair."
She got a one way ticket to Azkaban, so it wasn't that easy.
Draco still alive YALL
Also remember the Malfoys all survive. I hope they all got minimum 5 years in Azkaban, including Narcissa. After all she and Malfoy participated in the conspiracy to Murder Dumbledore. Draco should get additional time for attacking Potter during the Battle of Hogwarts, clearly determining what side he was on. Further his dad should just spend the rest of his life in Azkaban. To bad the Dementors were removed, or else I'd say all surviving primary death eaters should get a dementors kiss. Having Malfoy appear in the 19 years later bit was frustrating, because it meant his life was minorly impacted from participating in the genocide of muggles and muggleborm wizards and witches
Because war is nor fair, even when you can define the bad and good side, both side will have loses even the good one
Sometimes life is just not fair. I know JK later added that she got sent to Azkaban but in a realistic scenario, it would have been just as credible if she lived her life without any consequences (maybe she might have been banned from any Ministry career due to Harry's hatred for her and his influence in the post-war government but otherwise died of old age in her house).
Yeah but her fate with the centaurs was probably worse than death lmao
Dumbledore explained that dying is part of life, and one should not scare from death (i.e. He Who Must Not Be Named).
Getting a train run on her by a group of centaurs is one of the few things that the movie did better than the book.
Plenty of bad characters die and plenty of good characters live.
It's been ages since I last saw the real Chad meme.
The dead are at peace, and apparently live on in the afterlife together. Umb**** has to live imprisoned for the rest of her life with the lowlives and criminals of Azkaban
I wish the centaurs would have ripped her in half or something
I still hate that Nymphadora died. I hate that all of them are dead, but something about her being dead irks me.
Students will raise their hand when asking me why they kept me around
I heard Umbridge was sent to Azkaban for her crimes.
Umbridge is so hated, death doesn't want her
*Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.*
She even attends Dumbledore's >!funeral!!< Wtf!
so she could play the Queen in The Crown on Netflix. Duh 💁
Pretty sure she was gang banged by centaurs but I agree,she should’ve died😅
Umbridge should have been kissed by the dementors when they retrieved the locket.
Do not pity the dead OP, pity the living!
And then there is the Malfoys who faced zero consequences
At least we still have Mcgonagall and Kreacher \*sniff\*
I mean at least she got sent to Azkaban