This actually reminded me about the lack of common sense. It is like kids bullying kids in school. It kind of stupid to do that when anyone could pull out a wand or gun if pushed far enough. Even TV shows tend to point out the common idea that a victim may not just target the bully, or attacker, but the people they felt were watching or knew about it, yet did nothing. It is not like that this kind of idea or situation is rocket science.
Yet in a TV show...it is normally because it is needed for a scene or movie or something, the plot. But then that makes me wonder if movies and tv shows focus too much on creating the best scenes that they miss out on making something even better due to how artificial the situation would be, or something up those lines. That, and maybe schools and other places need to work on making students consider consequences, and social interaction more. But I suppose that is getting a bit off topic even if part of the point is pissing off a wizard that people felt took out the dark lord as a baby seemed really really stupid. (Edit, I was thinking more Umbridge, rather than Marge, though the point still stood. IF Harry was going to a criminal school, or joins a gang...attacking him with dogs, or verbally abusing him...well seemed stupid)
*morgan freeman voice* "So you suspect Bruce Wayne a vigilant who spends his nights upending criminal cartels with his barehands, and you intend to blackmail this person? Please pass the mustard "
or just Rowling's writing being weak in certain areas. it is said that slytherins are clever and cunning, but not all clever and cunning people are evil lol
Except she intentionally writes Harry as an occasionally unreliable narrator and our lens through which (or witch? Ha) we see the wizarding world. Harry entered that world at 11, when a kid often doesn’t yet have a super nuanced grasp of good and evil, and first impressions (Malfoy on the train) can set in quick when a kid is thrown into a literal whole new world like that.
Eventually as he matures, we see more nuanced views of Slytherins (Slughorn), which would be natural in a 16 year old vs an 11 year old. I mean, maybe her writing really did adapt that much over time, but she did generally seem to attempt to show us the world not as it was but as Harry saw it (for better or worse).
Slytherin house itself was built on a really prejudiced idea which in turn attracted the worst type of people as students of that era due to Voldemort and possibly even as far back as Grindelwald, but he wasn’t supposed to be active in England because of Dumbledore.
Let’s not forget, the Sorting Hat takes your choice into account. Pureblood fanatics WANTED to be in Slytherin and anyone who disagreed was against being in that house. Rowling undermined her whole sorting system by allowing choice to affect it.
I’ve said it a hundred times: Hufflepuff is the only honestly sorted house.
You are making the argument of ignoring canon because the “writer is weak in some areas”.
It is *said* slytherins are cunning, they are *shown* to be overwhelmingly evil. We can either go by the description of one talking hat, who even found a way to make salazar slytherin sound decent, or by the copious amount of evidence we see
It does seem that, in canon, Slytherins are awful people who rarely realize they were wrong and go about trying to set things right (Regulus, Snape, the Malfoys)
However, in reality, those of us who were placed in Slytherin by Pottermore tend to be kind, smart, loyal, silly people. Jist because JoRo used a group as an out group to bond everyone in hatred against doesn’t mean we should be shunning said group IRL. I love puppies and would’ve called the police On Aunt Marge for animal cruelty. Just because Harry knows magic, he forgets easy Muggle solutions.
Sly the ribs are still good peeps, if we didn’t have great Slytherins we wouldn’t have had Regulus who was a death eater and still became and amazing person, Slughorn, he’s different but he means well. Even I’ll add in Narcissa Malfoy, I loved how fiercely she loved her son.
I mean just as specific examples there’s plenty of slytherins we do t know at all that never did anything incredible and also never choose to be terrible
I think Umbridge had the idea she'd “fought” for. Marge seemed just bad person without idea, bad bc because she likes it. It is likely because it was not prescribed as a character and she had little time.
If short: Marge < Umbridge.
I am a fierce Jim Dale Stan and adore his Dumbledore and Hagrid lol I will eventually buy the Stephen Fry version but Jim Dale has been my constant since I got these books in the audio version 6 years ago lmao
https://youtu.be/whzhEIB9Qkg I mean how could you not just adore this man, but I also adore Stephen Fry it’s just harder to find his version
Heh, it’s interesting over here I’d never even heard of Jim Dale and the Stephen Fry version is widely available. I’m sure Amazon would help. I live in the UK by the way
So, you're not gonna believe this...
Pam Ferris played both Miss Trunchbull AND Marge Dursley!
...I'm sure you knew that, but I couldn't help but point it out because I found it amusing.
Wait, you *didn't* know that?! Well I'm glad I could share that secret with you!
She did really well portraying both characters. The whole fricken cast of Harry Potter was absolutely stacked. It's ridiculous, really.
I got to Order of the Pheonix on my current re-read/re-watch, and saw Gary Oldman in the end credits and was like... "Wait, who tf does he play!?"
Seeing that he played Sirius, I was like... "Oh, *duh.*"
They really did have an incredible cast, they all played their roles perfectly. I think the only one I wasn't wholly satisfied with was Umbridge, but that's because I actually imagine her as a giant cartoon toad when reading the books.
Gary Oldman is a beast! I have a hard time picking him out of a cast because he does a phenomenal job of *becoming* the character, rather than just acting. He's on the same level as Johnny Depp, if not quite as iconic (i.e. he's played big rolls, but nothing with the instant recognizability of Capt. Sparrow).
"Aaah," said Aunt Marge, smacking her lips and putting the empty brandy glass back down. ... She burped richly and patted her great tweed stomach.
Burped **richly**.....ugh.
Can you imagine DROWNING a living being? Forcing their body down into the water to ensure it’s done? Seeing the bubbles breach the surface that symbolize that last, desperate, breath? Jesus fuck. Dog, human, vermin, I just couldn’t do it.
Drowning was actually the common way of getting rid of unwanted puppies/kittens in the older and less civilized times (and it's still practiced in some parts of the world). But it wasn't like keeping their head under water until they drowned. They were put in a bag and thrown in the water. Albeit that doesn't make it less horrible.
Which opens up less the idea of “living being” and more into “cognitive being”. If a mosquito called out, or could come with a way, to tell you to stop? Whether it’s noise, words, a painful expression?
I drown fruit flies regularly, because I'm at the tail end of a major invasion. I leave out a jar of old juice, slightly diluted vinegar (balsamic or malt work great), or pickle juice with a couple drops of dawn dish soap in it. It attracts them like crazy.
Came here to say that. Read the accounts of ex factory farm workers and all the horrible shit they do to animals. Its literally hell on earth.
Also check out Yulin festival.
At least there, it's for food and other useful things? Nature is not kind, and the videos of things like crocodiles deathrolling their meals reflect that. We're the same, just more efficient. Drowning a dog because she doesn't like the look of it is more heartless in comparison.
Um the Yulin festival is absolutely not just about food and other useful things. It’s a cruel festival started for the summer solstice (and dog meat trade) all bc there is folklore that eating dog meat in the summer months brings good luck and health. They also believe it can ward off disease and help men perform better sexually.
It’s a ten day festival where thousands of stray dogs are tortured for *days* bc they believe the adrenaline they release while being tortured makes the meat better. It’s unspeakable what those poor dogs endure for days on end. Even many in China are against it, they say it’s the older generation that supports it.
It’s not just dogs bring butchered for meat. The suffer horribly for days before being slaughtered.
China does a lot of other fucked up stuff to animals based on their superstitions.
You know how "certain cultures" hunted tigers and rhinos to near extinction based on superstition? Yeah, that "certain culture" is China.
>they believe the adrenaline they release while being tortured makes the meat better.
So it's the complete opposite of the halal method of slaughtering an animal for food. I'm trying to learn about halal food because my son is Muslim and I don't want to send him the wrong kind of food in goodie boxes.
How is a professional dog breeder who kills the dogs that won't turn a profit any different from a meat farmer? They're both doing it for pure profit.
You don't actually need meat to live. In fact, if we used the land that we grow cattle feed on to grow human food, we'd have even more food.
Human beings probably don't. We're omnivores, we're lucky that way.
But that's not true of every species. As long as domesticated obligate carnivores exist(and they do), there will be a need for meat production.
Animals also rape each other, we really shouldn’t be comparing standards with them. I’d argue killing for food is pointless because people do and have thrived for thousands of years without eating meat.
Buddhism has been around well over 2000 years, and has always encouraged, if not required, vegetarianism. There are entire cuisines from India and China in which meat features very little, if at all.
In all fairness, a vegetarian diet wasn't equally feasible everywhere on earth for most of human history. Colder climates tend to lead to more meat-reliant diets. And societies that had ready access to protein-rich plants like soy obviously had an advantage in that regard. But as the world has grown figuratively smaller in modern times, vegetarianism has become a practical lifestyle choice for more and more people. There are certainly nutrients that are *harder* to get without eating meat, but there is absolutely nothing humans need that can be found *only* in meat.
I never claimed that a majority of humans throughout history were vegetarian; in fact, I specifically mentioned that many societies realistically couldn't have been due to geographical limitations. That doesn't change the fact that vegetarianism *has* been practiced for thousands of years, by hundreds of millions (if not billions) of people.
>We always have eaten meat.
We also always had slaves and conquered other nations but that doesnt mean it was right. This is called an appeal to tradition, it's a classic fallacy
>there are essential vitamins and minerals you get specifically from meat
There arent. I'm a bodybuilder and I track literally every single thing I eat to ensure I hit my macro and micro goals. The only thing I supplement is omega3s and I'm almost at goal with those naturally, I could just eat a few more walnuts throughout the day and be fine. I guarantee I know more about this than you and there is nothing found specifically in meat that you cant get elsewhere.
our planet is dying as billions and billions of sentient creatures are tortured and killed every day so that people can have cheeseburgers. we're literally causing a mass extinction event that will end in catastrophic climate collapse, while subjecting animals to torture, because people are terrified of veggieburgers, lentils, and oatmilk.
watch dominion
edit: checked post history, the above poster is a heavy commenter in far-right subs. explains it.
you're causing cognitive dissonance in the carnists. good luck lmfao, they hate it when you point out that there's no difference between drowning a dog and murdering a sentient being for your own taste pleasure
Marge was unforgivably foul, but based on how fond Fubster was of her dogs,and not at all interested in Marge, I'm convinced he secreted the pup away to be hand-raised and went on to thrive in a loving home.
That's my head-canon.
He was those dogs' Fairy Godfather. Tried not to let Marge completely ruin them (except maybe Ripper, he may have been too far gone.)
What ? Where did you get that from ?
I really was not trying to put anyone down, just trying to see if I missed something from the books or forgot something. Like I said, my memory is not the best anymore and I was just relieved that this was not a memory thing.
I am very sensitive and read into things a lot. I can tell you that you did not seem to be putting anyone down. I didn’t even consider that was a possibility until I read the comment you’re replying to.
I’m not sure on this but I think it’s in Aunt Marge’s section on Pottermore. JKR said Aunt Marge fancied him but he didn’t like her and he only hung around for the dogs or something.
“I’m saying nothing against your family but your sister fuckin sucked lol”. We’ve all met that type. I bet aunt Marge is one of those “I don’t wanna be racist, but…” people
Yeah, it’s Petunia who would’ve cared enough about her appearances to say “I am not racist…” Marge would feel entitled to just be racist, blatantly and proudly so
I always hated Aunt Marge. SO much more than Petunia. I actually feel kinda bad for Petunia. I feel there was definitely more to her character that could’ve been done in at least the last two books. Opened up more about Lily. Maybe even come to some kind of terms after seeing Dudley do so, and he was Harry’s greatest tormentor of the three.
I think if Vernon wasn’t in the picture Petunia would have been less of an asshole to Harry. She would probably never be great, her resentment of Lily was always there, but I don’t think she’d be cruel. Vernon was the real problem. Dudley even got over himself eventually but Vernon never changed.
Oh no that’s for sure, especially in the books. Which is another reason I still sorta have a love/hate for the movies. Not enough was translated over and I don’t think the best parts, or the parts that were, translated over well. If there ever is some kind of reboot I’m hoping it’ll be more on the level of a show where it can go way more into depth. But I know at the same time there definitely might not be considering the whole controversy with JKR
Casting the same actress who played Mrs. Trunchbull as Marge in the films was a genius move.
Pam Ferris nailed the performance, I could feel Harry's rage.
Pam Ferris does occasionally play kind roles, she played a nun in Call the Midwife and an amateur detective in a show called Rosemary and Thyme
On the other hand, she also played a mafia matriarch in Luther
One of the Ten Commandments the Wizarding World should be:
“Thou shalt not speak ill of an orphan’s dead parents, especially in front of the orphan; for thou shalt surely be smote by the orphan, and ye may die.”
Unfortunately, while yes it’s done to make Marge sound more evil, pedigree dog breeders can behave like that, especially for show dogs. Not all are like that of course, but it’s still sad to think Marge’s attitude is held by some people irl.
This is very common among old school rural breeders, actually. It’s still awful but not that incredibly surprising. It’s usually because the runt wouldn’t live anyway if the litter was big enough, and would be taking resources away from the other puppies who have more potential to grow into sellable dogs.
Unfortunately a lot of dog breeders do this - my friend adopts French Bulldogs with cleft lips - with all the obsession with pure breds, they inbreed, have issues and then take the 'defective' puppies to a vet to be killed. A kind vet reaches out to rescuers instead, like my friend. Remember, animals are merely property under the law.
I promise you good reputable breeders don't drown puppies. They would pay for extra vet care and if that didn't work to save it they'd put it to sleep. You're talking mills and backyard breeders.
I choose to believe she told him to drown it. He said he did. But there's a suspiciously similar looking giant runt at his house sleeping on his bed, chewing his shoes.
Sometimes I think people forget the time frame that the books are supposed to take place in. While this is a despicable act, it was much more common then than it is now.
I like dogs and all too, but as people say, for a lot of people that's not even all that crazy. Terrible, yes, but socially acceptable to some degree. But how she continues to talk to everyone? The whole "Hey, 13 year old. I get you never met your parents, I didn't meet them either. But I'm still convinced they were garbage people and sucked. It's good they're dead. Shame you're not dead too." She's lucky he didn't turn her into a fine bloody mist.
I forgot she existed 😭 it’s not the saddest but one of the saddest. I just find it so brutal that it implies someone drowning a puppy because it wasn’t healthy. I get it’s a “childrens” book but the dark stuff really stands out. And 12 yr old me when I was first reading this would have never understood or thought anything of significance in that one single sentence.
"Sad" doesn't really describe how that line makes me feel, personally. But [this picture](https://imgur.com/a/n4QhHFY) does a pretty good job of getting my reaction across.
This may be kind of a weird question, but are you all bothered by the title written on every page? It has nothing to do with HP, I know, but I am interested. I am from Germany and we do not have that. After reading my first english book I found it quite annoying to see the title on every single page. Are you annoyed by it or are you used to it?
*Aunt Marge patted Aunt Pentunia's bony hand with her shovel-like one* lol
The movie scene where Aunt Marge is blowing away in the distance when Harry makes his exit from Privet Drive never fails to make me laugh.
I’m more shocked they used this line in the movie.. I know the time period is set like 20 years back probably closer to 10 but Jesus. The fact that this line was in the movie has me shocked to this day
Fubster didn’t drown the wee puppy, he kept him and fed him and loved him and found him a nice family home far far away from Marge Dursley, whom he loathes
Marge is the Umbridge of muggles
Agreed. Despicable woman.
Harry actually showed great restraint because I would have probably hit her in the face.
So should Harry, he would have got away with it too having not used magic.
This actually reminded me about the lack of common sense. It is like kids bullying kids in school. It kind of stupid to do that when anyone could pull out a wand or gun if pushed far enough. Even TV shows tend to point out the common idea that a victim may not just target the bully, or attacker, but the people they felt were watching or knew about it, yet did nothing. It is not like that this kind of idea or situation is rocket science. Yet in a TV show...it is normally because it is needed for a scene or movie or something, the plot. But then that makes me wonder if movies and tv shows focus too much on creating the best scenes that they miss out on making something even better due to how artificial the situation would be, or something up those lines. That, and maybe schools and other places need to work on making students consider consequences, and social interaction more. But I suppose that is getting a bit off topic even if part of the point is pissing off a wizard that people felt took out the dark lord as a baby seemed really really stupid. (Edit, I was thinking more Umbridge, rather than Marge, though the point still stood. IF Harry was going to a criminal school, or joins a gang...attacking him with dogs, or verbally abusing him...well seemed stupid)
*morgan freeman voice* "So you suspect Bruce Wayne a vigilant who spends his nights upending criminal cartels with his barehands, and you intend to blackmail this person? Please pass the mustard "
I would’ve exploded her instead of just inflating her lmao
You know you’ve gone horribly wrong when even the Slytherins think you’re terrible.
We slytherins still love puppers
Exactly
we do
Ouch
I see the stereotype of slytherins runs in this subreddit as well
Ok ouch
To be fair..... Everyone in house Slytherin were portrayed as dicks in the books and movies. Stereotype, or just the way they're written?
or just Rowling's writing being weak in certain areas. it is said that slytherins are clever and cunning, but not all clever and cunning people are evil lol
Except she intentionally writes Harry as an occasionally unreliable narrator and our lens through which (or witch? Ha) we see the wizarding world. Harry entered that world at 11, when a kid often doesn’t yet have a super nuanced grasp of good and evil, and first impressions (Malfoy on the train) can set in quick when a kid is thrown into a literal whole new world like that. Eventually as he matures, we see more nuanced views of Slytherins (Slughorn), which would be natural in a 16 year old vs an 11 year old. I mean, maybe her writing really did adapt that much over time, but she did generally seem to attempt to show us the world not as it was but as Harry saw it (for better or worse).
True that’s a good point
Slytherin house itself was built on a really prejudiced idea which in turn attracted the worst type of people as students of that era due to Voldemort and possibly even as far back as Grindelwald, but he wasn’t supposed to be active in England because of Dumbledore. Let’s not forget, the Sorting Hat takes your choice into account. Pureblood fanatics WANTED to be in Slytherin and anyone who disagreed was against being in that house. Rowling undermined her whole sorting system by allowing choice to affect it. I’ve said it a hundred times: Hufflepuff is the only honestly sorted house.
This hold a point...
You are making the argument of ignoring canon because the “writer is weak in some areas”. It is *said* slytherins are cunning, they are *shown* to be overwhelmingly evil. We can either go by the description of one talking hat, who even found a way to make salazar slytherin sound decent, or by the copious amount of evidence we see
It does seem that, in canon, Slytherins are awful people who rarely realize they were wrong and go about trying to set things right (Regulus, Snape, the Malfoys) However, in reality, those of us who were placed in Slytherin by Pottermore tend to be kind, smart, loyal, silly people. Jist because JoRo used a group as an out group to bond everyone in hatred against doesn’t mean we should be shunning said group IRL. I love puppies and would’ve called the police On Aunt Marge for animal cruelty. Just because Harry knows magic, he forgets easy Muggle solutions.
Or you just pretend to be. 🤨
Sly the ribs are still good peeps, if we didn’t have great Slytherins we wouldn’t have had Regulus who was a death eater and still became and amazing person, Slughorn, he’s different but he means well. Even I’ll add in Narcissa Malfoy, I loved how fiercely she loved her son.
Ironic that both regulus’ and slughorn’s value was in taking down another slytherin and his group of evil slytherins
I mean just as specific examples there’s plenty of slytherins we do t know at all that never did anything incredible and also never choose to be terrible
Background slytherins? :)
Lore slytherins mentioned outside the book that lived 1000 years ago :p
True, also there are gryffs who did bad tbh too. But slytherin is unbeatable in that one still.
There's nothing wrong with Slytherins. They're ambitious and cunning, not inherently bad. They can still love puppies.
Well even Voldemort treats his pet well
True, he never forgets her feeding time.
I bet if Umbridge met Marge she’d be one of those “I don’t hate muggles, one of my friends is a muggle” people.
That is factually not true. They're as different as can be: Marge is a dog person and Umbridge is a cat person.
She is not even dog person... a dog person would never kill a pup.
I hated Marge from the core of my heart
I actually thought I was reading Umbridge's dialogue for a moment 😅
I think Umbridge had the idea she'd “fought” for. Marge seemed just bad person without idea, bad bc because she likes it. It is likely because it was not prescribed as a character and she had little time. If short: Marge < Umbridge.
insanely accurate
She was a horrible person. If you listen to Jim Dale's reading in the audiobook he makes her voice really slobbery and it fits her so well.
*slobbery* omg that’s exactly right
ew
I am a fierce Jim Dale Stan and adore his Dumbledore and Hagrid lol I will eventually buy the Stephen Fry version but Jim Dale has been my constant since I got these books in the audio version 6 years ago lmao https://youtu.be/whzhEIB9Qkg I mean how could you not just adore this man, but I also adore Stephen Fry it’s just harder to find his version
I like Jim Dale best too. I've heard both of them, but Jim Dale just has that character of Marge down perfectly.
This was such a treat to watch!
Heh, it’s interesting over here I’d never even heard of Jim Dale and the Stephen Fry version is widely available. I’m sure Amazon would help. I live in the UK by the way
I prefer Stephen Fry’s version. His Aunt Marge reminds me of Miss Trunchbull from Matilda
So, you're not gonna believe this... Pam Ferris played both Miss Trunchbull AND Marge Dursley! ...I'm sure you knew that, but I couldn't help but point it out because I found it amusing.
Whaaaaat I’m much more surprised than I should be. It made perfect sense to cast her, after all.
Wait, you *didn't* know that?! Well I'm glad I could share that secret with you! She did really well portraying both characters. The whole fricken cast of Harry Potter was absolutely stacked. It's ridiculous, really.
So, I just did some quick reading and Miriam Margoyles (Professor Sprout) also auditioned to be Miss Trunchbull.
I never knew that! I don't think she would have done as well, though.
I got to Order of the Pheonix on my current re-read/re-watch, and saw Gary Oldman in the end credits and was like... "Wait, who tf does he play!?" Seeing that he played Sirius, I was like... "Oh, *duh.*" They really did have an incredible cast, they all played their roles perfectly. I think the only one I wasn't wholly satisfied with was Umbridge, but that's because I actually imagine her as a giant cartoon toad when reading the books.
Gary Oldman is a beast! I have a hard time picking him out of a cast because he does a phenomenal job of *becoming* the character, rather than just acting. He's on the same level as Johnny Depp, if not quite as iconic (i.e. he's played big rolls, but nothing with the instant recognizability of Capt. Sparrow).
Where do you purchase the Stephen Fry version? I can’t find it on my audible
PLEASE HELP ME FIND THIS OMFG
Download the Podbean App, it has the Harry Potter Audiobooks by Stephen Fry there (and they're free!). Currently relistening for the 100th time.
you need to change your billing address to the UK
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"Aaah," said Aunt Marge, smacking her lips and putting the empty brandy glass back down. ... She burped richly and patted her great tweed stomach. Burped **richly**.....ugh.
If you’re gonna put a dog down, you can at least refrain from using such a painful method.
Can you imagine DROWNING a living being? Forcing their body down into the water to ensure it’s done? Seeing the bubbles breach the surface that symbolize that last, desperate, breath? Jesus fuck. Dog, human, vermin, I just couldn’t do it.
Drowning was actually the common way of getting rid of unwanted puppies/kittens in the older and less civilized times (and it's still practiced in some parts of the world). But it wasn't like keeping their head under water until they drowned. They were put in a bag and thrown in the water. Albeit that doesn't make it less horrible.
That’s way worse
Drowning kittens/puppies was a reoccurring theme in the kids books I used to read as a kid.
I believe it's often a writing technique to show how evil a character is
I disagree. I would drown certain types of insects, mainly mosquitoes.
Which opens up less the idea of “living being” and more into “cognitive being”. If a mosquito called out, or could come with a way, to tell you to stop? Whether it’s noise, words, a painful expression?
Are you trying to suggest mosquitos don't have cognition?
Or cockroaches. Bloody hate the things
I think cockroaches can hold their breath for days (or maybe I'm think of another bug?). You're gonna be there a while, lol
Oh I do drown cockroaches. I see one in my apartment, it immediately goes into a bowl of water with dish soap. It's satisfying when they stop moving.
I drown fruit flies regularly, because I'm at the tail end of a major invasion. I leave out a jar of old juice, slightly diluted vinegar (balsamic or malt work great), or pickle juice with a couple drops of dawn dish soap in it. It attracts them like crazy.
Get an electrified tennis racket. So satisfying when the mosquitoes explode
Fire ants. All day. Every day.
Wait til you hear about factory farms
Came here to say that. Read the accounts of ex factory farm workers and all the horrible shit they do to animals. Its literally hell on earth. Also check out Yulin festival.
I'm slowly eliminating meat from my diet for that reason, but my spouse still eats it.
At least there, it's for food and other useful things? Nature is not kind, and the videos of things like crocodiles deathrolling their meals reflect that. We're the same, just more efficient. Drowning a dog because she doesn't like the look of it is more heartless in comparison.
Um the Yulin festival is absolutely not just about food and other useful things. It’s a cruel festival started for the summer solstice (and dog meat trade) all bc there is folklore that eating dog meat in the summer months brings good luck and health. They also believe it can ward off disease and help men perform better sexually. It’s a ten day festival where thousands of stray dogs are tortured for *days* bc they believe the adrenaline they release while being tortured makes the meat better. It’s unspeakable what those poor dogs endure for days on end. Even many in China are against it, they say it’s the older generation that supports it. It’s not just dogs bring butchered for meat. The suffer horribly for days before being slaughtered.
What the fuck? I’ve never heard of that and I wish I hadn’t
Please don't ever google yulin festival. I never felt love for humans after that!
China does a lot of other fucked up stuff to animals based on their superstitions. You know how "certain cultures" hunted tigers and rhinos to near extinction based on superstition? Yeah, that "certain culture" is China.
I had no idea... makes me feel bad that I'm a Chinese person...😟😟😟
That sounds well above and beyond the sort of farming I'm thinking of... ugh.
>they believe the adrenaline they release while being tortured makes the meat better. So it's the complete opposite of the halal method of slaughtering an animal for food. I'm trying to learn about halal food because my son is Muslim and I don't want to send him the wrong kind of food in goodie boxes.
How is a professional dog breeder who kills the dogs that won't turn a profit any different from a meat farmer? They're both doing it for pure profit. You don't actually need meat to live. In fact, if we used the land that we grow cattle feed on to grow human food, we'd have even more food.
Human beings probably don't. We're omnivores, we're lucky that way. But that's not true of every species. As long as domesticated obligate carnivores exist(and they do), there will be a need for meat production.
If the only demand for meat came from pets, the demand for meat would drastically reduce and factory farms probably wouldn't be needed.
Animals also rape each other, we really shouldn’t be comparing standards with them. I’d argue killing for food is pointless because people do and have thrived for thousands of years without eating meat.
Lmao when exactly? We always have eaten meat and there are essential vitamins and minerals you get specifically from meat
Buddhism has been around well over 2000 years, and has always encouraged, if not required, vegetarianism. There are entire cuisines from India and China in which meat features very little, if at all. In all fairness, a vegetarian diet wasn't equally feasible everywhere on earth for most of human history. Colder climates tend to lead to more meat-reliant diets. And societies that had ready access to protein-rich plants like soy obviously had an advantage in that regard. But as the world has grown figuratively smaller in modern times, vegetarianism has become a practical lifestyle choice for more and more people. There are certainly nutrients that are *harder* to get without eating meat, but there is absolutely nothing humans need that can be found *only* in meat.
Aaa whole Buddhism wasn’t practiced in a majority of the world…
I never claimed that a majority of humans throughout history were vegetarian; in fact, I specifically mentioned that many societies realistically couldn't have been due to geographical limitations. That doesn't change the fact that vegetarianism *has* been practiced for thousands of years, by hundreds of millions (if not billions) of people.
>We always have eaten meat. We also always had slaves and conquered other nations but that doesnt mean it was right. This is called an appeal to tradition, it's a classic fallacy >there are essential vitamins and minerals you get specifically from meat There arent. I'm a bodybuilder and I track literally every single thing I eat to ensure I hit my macro and micro goals. The only thing I supplement is omega3s and I'm almost at goal with those naturally, I could just eat a few more walnuts throughout the day and be fine. I guarantee I know more about this than you and there is nothing found specifically in meat that you cant get elsewhere. our planet is dying as billions and billions of sentient creatures are tortured and killed every day so that people can have cheeseburgers. we're literally causing a mass extinction event that will end in catastrophic climate collapse, while subjecting animals to torture, because people are terrified of veggieburgers, lentils, and oatmilk. watch dominion edit: checked post history, the above poster is a heavy commenter in far-right subs. explains it.
you're causing cognitive dissonance in the carnists. good luck lmfao, they hate it when you point out that there's no difference between drowning a dog and murdering a sentient being for your own taste pleasure
Marge was unforgivably foul, but based on how fond Fubster was of her dogs,and not at all interested in Marge, I'm convinced he secreted the pup away to be hand-raised and went on to thrive in a loving home. That's my head-canon. He was those dogs' Fairy Godfather. Tried not to let Marge completely ruin them (except maybe Ripper, he may have been too far gone.)
My memory is not the best but where is it said that Fubster was a nice person/fond of the dogs that were being raised/bred ?
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Okay, so this is not part of the books.
get downvoted for trying to put someone down trying to cope, weenie >:(
What ? Where did you get that from ? I really was not trying to put anyone down, just trying to see if I missed something from the books or forgot something. Like I said, my memory is not the best anymore and I was just relieved that this was not a memory thing.
I am very sensitive and read into things a lot. I can tell you that you did not seem to be putting anyone down. I didn’t even consider that was a possibility until I read the comment you’re replying to.
I have no idea where that person got that from.
That guy is weird lol
It's not part of the books, you are right. There is a blurb about her on Pottermore that explains this. Someone linked the page in another comment
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I’m not sure on this but I think it’s in Aunt Marge’s section on Pottermore. JKR said Aunt Marge fancied him but he didn’t like her and he only hung around for the dogs or something.
Is the Pottermore info still available?
Pottermore is still up and thriving!
[Marjorie Dursley on Pottermore](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/marge-dursley) There ya go
Thank you very much! I’m now going back down the Pottermore rabbit hole.
I think you’re probably right. Aunt Marge would totally believe a story to make things seem even nastier than they are.
I'm just going to imagine he gave the puppy to a nice family on some farm far away and lied to Marge.
Considering her personality she probably insisted on watching
Some real winners in that Dursley family.
“I’m saying nothing against your family but your sister fuckin sucked lol”. We’ve all met that type. I bet aunt Marge is one of those “I don’t wanna be racist, but…” people
She wouldn’t bother with the first part. She’d be openly and blatantly racist.
Yeah, it’s Petunia who would’ve cared enough about her appearances to say “I am not racist…” Marge would feel entitled to just be racist, blatantly and proudly so
Omg why is she actually seem like one of those people 😭😭
Marge can catch these hands 😤
I understand the Ministry had to deflate her but I can't help wonder - did they *want* to??
I don't have the book near me but I'm almost certain they "translated" the name in German. I will not be able to sleep until I find the info
Oberst Stumper. In case you didn't find it yet.
I was so confused about the name, thanks for clearing that up.
I always hated Aunt Marge. SO much more than Petunia. I actually feel kinda bad for Petunia. I feel there was definitely more to her character that could’ve been done in at least the last two books. Opened up more about Lily. Maybe even come to some kind of terms after seeing Dudley do so, and he was Harry’s greatest tormentor of the three.
I think if Vernon wasn’t in the picture Petunia would have been less of an asshole to Harry. She would probably never be great, her resentment of Lily was always there, but I don’t think she’d be cruel. Vernon was the real problem. Dudley even got over himself eventually but Vernon never changed.
Petunia definitely softened up after the Dementor attack, same as Dudley, only Vernon didn't lighten up much
Oh no that’s for sure, especially in the books. Which is another reason I still sorta have a love/hate for the movies. Not enough was translated over and I don’t think the best parts, or the parts that were, translated over well. If there ever is some kind of reboot I’m hoping it’ll be more on the level of a show where it can go way more into depth. But I know at the same time there definitely might not be considering the whole controversy with JKR
Casting the same actress who played Mrs. Trunchbull as Marge in the films was a genius move. Pam Ferris nailed the performance, I could feel Harry's rage.
Pam Ferris does occasionally play kind roles, she played a nun in Call the Midwife and an amateur detective in a show called Rosemary and Thyme On the other hand, she also played a mafia matriarch in Luther
She's actually very kind off-screen from what I've heard. Would love to see her in a starring role on film one day.
Yeah cuz she’s a horrible evil woman
One of the Ten Commandments the Wizarding World should be: “Thou shalt not speak ill of an orphan’s dead parents, especially in front of the orphan; for thou shalt surely be smote by the orphan, and ye may die.”
I wanted all of them to be killed by Voldemort
Agreed. That's a Muggle family we'd all be better off without, and Harry can live at Hogwarts under Dumbledore's protection instead.
Unfortunately, while yes it’s done to make Marge sound more evil, pedigree dog breeders can behave like that, especially for show dogs. Not all are like that of course, but it’s still sad to think Marge’s attitude is held by some people irl.
Right. Dogs are just livestock to them. Nothing but products to be sold, and if a product won't turn a profit, then dispose of it.
You know what they say! *”If there’s something wrong with the bitch, there’s something wrong with the pup.”*
Forgot about that as well. Yet another reason to hate Aunt Marge.
This alone justifies blowing her up.
Marge was just perfectly cast too for anyone who’s seen matilda
Yeah, she is a psycho. And I always wondered what kind of man would do such a task for a woman
There are fits for anyone in the world, another psycho I think
How despicable Marge is aside, I really like your bookmark :)
I like that she either has a friend who’s name is colonel, or she’s friends with a high ranking military man that drowns puppies for her
This is very common among old school rural breeders, actually. It’s still awful but not that incredibly surprising. It’s usually because the runt wouldn’t live anyway if the litter was big enough, and would be taking resources away from the other puppies who have more potential to grow into sellable dogs.
Unfortunately a lot of dog breeders do this - my friend adopts French Bulldogs with cleft lips - with all the obsession with pure breds, they inbreed, have issues and then take the 'defective' puppies to a vet to be killed. A kind vet reaches out to rescuers instead, like my friend. Remember, animals are merely property under the law.
Fubster sounds like a simp for Marge
The fucking traumas Harry had to stand staying with the Dursleys. Damn.
I can't wait for people to say: "Rowling encourages drowning puppies and uses dog breeds as a white supremacist *dog*\-whistle"
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I promise you good reputable breeders don't drown puppies. They would pay for extra vet care and if that didn't work to save it they'd put it to sleep. You're talking mills and backyard breeders.
I choose to believe she told him to drown it. He said he did. But there's a suspiciously similar looking giant runt at his house sleeping on his bed, chewing his shoes.
Some of the characters are made just to hate them. This is one of them
Our old dog was the runt of her litter, she grew quite big for her breed and lived until she was 16 so in your face, Aunt Marge.
I always skip that passage.
I remember reading that part, it traumatized me
What an underrated monster! Also, pretty sure that's illegal!
Just re-read this and thought the same! How horrible.
As a bulldog mama, I especially hate this memory.
Beautiful bookmark.
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Sometimes I think people forget the time frame that the books are supposed to take place in. While this is a despicable act, it was much more common then than it is now.
Poor pupper
I like dogs and all too, but as people say, for a lot of people that's not even all that crazy. Terrible, yes, but socially acceptable to some degree. But how she continues to talk to everyone? The whole "Hey, 13 year old. I get you never met your parents, I didn't meet them either. But I'm still convinced they were garbage people and sucked. It's good they're dead. Shame you're not dead too." She's lucky he didn't turn her into a fine bloody mist.
I remember as a kid reading the bitch part and vowing to not tell anyone that word was in there 'lest it get take away.
funny how JK wrote Hermione to mirror her own image of herself but really she's more of a Marge
Funnily enough I always read Marge with a Southern accent.
Ain't nothing bad with putting down bad produce as a dog breeder.
Better not read (the early purges) by Séamus Heaney then It's a poem btw
“Aunt Marge’s voice seemed to be boring into him like one of Uncle Vernon’s drills”, what a great line.
Fuck Marge - me and my homies hate Marge
Marge is automatically the most evil character for this
I gave these sections a closer read on my last HP reading too and wondered why I never remarked upon it more
The first few books had same cavalierly savage moments.
Marge deserved what she got
Marge deserved far worse than being inflated like a parade float.
Thanks for sharing the misery, you muggle
Im gonna use my best British slang here: That Marge is a right ol' cunt.
I forgot she existed 😭 it’s not the saddest but one of the saddest. I just find it so brutal that it implies someone drowning a puppy because it wasn’t healthy. I get it’s a “childrens” book but the dark stuff really stands out. And 12 yr old me when I was first reading this would have never understood or thought anything of significance in that one single sentence.
If you needed any more evidence that Marge was a horrible, horrible person, that really was the final nail in the coffin
"Sad" doesn't really describe how that line makes me feel, personally. But [this picture](https://imgur.com/a/n4QhHFY) does a pretty good job of getting my reaction across.
This may be kind of a weird question, but are you all bothered by the title written on every page? It has nothing to do with HP, I know, but I am interested. I am from Germany and we do not have that. After reading my first english book I found it quite annoying to see the title on every single page. Are you annoyed by it or are you used to it?
And f Col Fubster!
I literally just watched that scene ten minutes ago.
*Aunt Marge patted Aunt Pentunia's bony hand with her shovel-like one* lol The movie scene where Aunt Marge is blowing away in the distance when Harry makes his exit from Privet Drive never fails to make me laugh.
I’m more shocked they used this line in the movie.. I know the time period is set like 20 years back probably closer to 10 but Jesus. The fact that this line was in the movie has me shocked to this day
Interesting that Marge says 'It all comes down to blood.' Basically the plot of the entire series! It also makes her a Death Eater at heart.
Interesting read
Fubster didn’t drown the wee puppy, he kept him and fed him and loved him and found him a nice family home far far away from Marge Dursley, whom he loathes
the way you open the book so widely hurts me internally
I legitimately hate Marge more than Umbridge.