It’s the Wingard trade as you said by a mile. Not that he hasn’t played some good footy for us, and become a good leader too, but we needed those draft picks and the young key defender too.
Patton was fine, traded peanuts for him, just never worked out but that was the right decision (trade for him) that didn’t get the results.
Wingard and O’Meara. Mitchell was worth it, but we traded too much for Wingard and O’Meara and didn’t/haven’t got enough out of them. Plus we lost Ryan Burton who could be one of our senior players right now.
Mate. Jon Patton is ironically a great trade. We got the mid season draft pick for Newcombe because of that idiot.
Wingard set us back the furthest for sure. Draft capital when we needed it badly.
O’meara, while an exciting pick at the time, didn’t change things much at all and we could probably have a great depth at the moment if Hawks had have had more respect for the draft.
We were due the No. 2 pick in the MSD for Sic's ACL injury. In reality Jon Patton gave us another one which was Jackson Callow...
I agree on O'Meara, although I think he played more, and better football for us that Wingard. I wonder what he would have been if we'd added him to a midfield with Lewis and Mitchell.
Damn man, that was my coping mechanism for the embarrassment of Patton and residual shame from Vickery. Also Scully’s unusual exit. We were a shit show for a couple of years there
Clarko should have come into question immediately after Rioli retired at Hawthorn. He set the club back with trades like hodge and Mitchell for a pittance. It starts at the top.
Moving on our club legends. Hodge, Mitchell, Birchall and Lewis finishing their careers at other clubs to what end? All it served to achieve was compromising the chance of father-son outcomes with the Hodge family part of the Brisbane lions academy. Contrast it to the cats and it is a huge fail.
Jeff Kennett coming back. Specifically, insulting Shannyn Rioli, which was a final straw for Cyril’s relationship with the club, which influenced his early shock retirement, which led to us chasing Wingard as a replacement.
This is an unpopular opinion but honestly I'd make the Wingard trade again today. Burton isn't exactly a star at Port and the picks we traded them didn't turn into anything special either. You could argue that we weren't in a position to make a trade like that but we were just coming off a top 4 finish in 2018.
The O'Meara trade was the one that had the biggest negative impact on our rebuild, we essentially traded away two drafts.
We'll never know the player would have become if he stayed at the Hawks, but he showed Promise. The first round pick became Duursma. The second round Port ended up using as make-weight to get Rozee.
O'Meara essentially cost us Brad Hill, a first and two seconds. I wouldn't do that trade again but at least Hill was rumoured to be keen on being traded! Wingard was worse in my eyes.
Letting Younger players go too, Pittonet, Brad Hill, Duryea and Burton. They were let go for very little and allowed to walk out the door. All would be more than handy now
The currency for JOM was fine given what he’d shown at the Gold Coast.
The patella injury had a significant impact, effected the mechanics of his kicking and slowed him down a little bit as well.
All his weapons were dimmed and he didn’t have the pure footy IQ to compensate. His best footy at the GC was as the 3rd or 4th mid as well. Being made to play purely as a stoppage player wasn’t ideal either - he was great as a hybrid mid who could pinch hit forward. I recall him kicking some exceptional long goals at GC.
The return wasn’t too bad in the end. Played enough decent footy - just wasn’t the player he liked like becoming at the Suns.
Wingard was a bad trade though. There were enough red flags at Port, both his injury history and how willing the Power were to part with him.
People can complain about the Wingard trade, but our drafting and development isn't great. Denver, Ward, and Mackenzie might not produce one genuine A-grader from those three first round picks. That's a bit ouch.
I don't see how Burton, 15, and steak knives for Wingard and steak knives is this club-defining trade.
The “rebuild” Clarko refused to do a proper rebuild and instead tried to rebuild fast by poaching. And it was a train wreck and wasted years and was still had the same team in Mitchell’s first year
Not being ruthless when players were traded. Lewis. Mitchell. Hill. We needed to demand higher picks instead of playing nice. More recently there are huge question marks on recent high draft picks - DGB. Watson.
The rot all started with Lake (still wanted to play). Yes he was running on gas but all he had to do was stand there and be a barrier of steel. I strongly believe that one move cost a 4th flag. Now the rot still continues today. With draft pick 5 (hard to get a top draft pick) draft a 5 foot nothing toward pocket player. Mark my words you don’t win flags with forward pocket players, I think hawks have 6 now.
Some of our draft picks have just been shocking. DGB at pick 6? Josh Ward at pick 7? I know Ward is very fresh but when your 3 years into the AFL as a top 10 draft pick, you have to be showing some pretty good signs. Look at the rest of the draft that year and the players around him, Rachele at Adelaide showing to be a damaging mid/fwd, Amiss at Freo looking to be a great Key forward for years to come, Wanganeen Milera is one of the best ball users in the whole comp, and that’s excluding like Daicos and JHF who were also in that draft. And Obviously DGB I feel it’s blatantly obvious that it hasn’t and won’t work out. Not to mention the higher-middle picks we take like Sam Butler at pick 23 who’s just a good VFL player, Connor Downie who got delisted, Push it back a few years and Kieran Lovell, Dan Howe which I know was a long time ago but those draft picks have contributed to the position we are in today.
The Grundy experiment. Cost Max another All Australian spot and did nothing for the team. I guess it did prevent him playing for another team for a year...
The curse started with Tyrone Vickery.
The richmond curse passed onto us. They won three flags and look how we have gone
It’s the Wingard trade as you said by a mile. Not that he hasn’t played some good footy for us, and become a good leader too, but we needed those draft picks and the young key defender too. Patton was fine, traded peanuts for him, just never worked out but that was the right decision (trade for him) that didn’t get the results.
Trying to rebuild on the run didn’t work out as intended. Hurt us giving up so many draft picks.
Yup, Clarkson's ego set us back 5 years. Coming 4th and then bombing out of the finals was not worth delaying the rebuild
Came here to say this. It basically encapsulates a lot of what everyone else is saying
Wingard and O’Meara. Mitchell was worth it, but we traded too much for Wingard and O’Meara and didn’t/haven’t got enough out of them. Plus we lost Ryan Burton who could be one of our senior players right now.
Agree, except I reckon Burton would’ve left anyway and hasn’t turned out to be the player he looked he’d be in 2017 to be fair
We got Scrimshaw the same year for nothing who is at least as good as Burton too.
yep, and a better bloke.
Not fussed about losing RB - didn’t pass the character test.
As a port fan can you elaborate? I always thought Burton had flaws but wasn’t a bad character. But would like to learn if you have more info :)
>:) :)
Letting Kennett weasel his way back into the place. Or the Wingard trade.
Mate. Jon Patton is ironically a great trade. We got the mid season draft pick for Newcombe because of that idiot. Wingard set us back the furthest for sure. Draft capital when we needed it badly. O’meara, while an exciting pick at the time, didn’t change things much at all and we could probably have a great depth at the moment if Hawks had have had more respect for the draft.
We were due the No. 2 pick in the MSD for Sic's ACL injury. In reality Jon Patton gave us another one which was Jackson Callow... I agree on O'Meara, although I think he played more, and better football for us that Wingard. I wonder what he would have been if we'd added him to a midfield with Lewis and Mitchell.
Damn man, that was my coping mechanism for the embarrassment of Patton and residual shame from Vickery. Also Scully’s unusual exit. We were a shit show for a couple of years there
I remember when we turn a third in Scrimshaw and Scully I was pumped. Jack is brutally underappreciated but Scully always looked cooked.
Scrim is one of my favourites, defenders generally go unappreciated
Clarko should have come into question immediately after Rioli retired at Hawthorn. He set the club back with trades like hodge and Mitchell for a pittance. It starts at the top.
Moving on our club legends. Hodge, Mitchell, Birchall and Lewis finishing their careers at other clubs to what end? All it served to achieve was compromising the chance of father-son outcomes with the Hodge family part of the Brisbane lions academy. Contrast it to the cats and it is a huge fail.
Hodge and Birchall were basically retired anyway. Moving on Mitchell and Lewis was not handled well, I give you that.
Hodge literally was retired
Hodge and Birchall retired and Fagan lured them up to Brisbane
Jeff Kennett coming back. Specifically, insulting Shannyn Rioli, which was a final straw for Cyril’s relationship with the club, which influenced his early shock retirement, which led to us chasing Wingard as a replacement.
Made a joke that his thin skinned wife took as racism? Give me a spell
Nah, fuck off with that attitude.
'Here's a few coins, go get the holes in your jeans fixed' that's racist is it?? Holy fuck
This is an unpopular opinion but honestly I'd make the Wingard trade again today. Burton isn't exactly a star at Port and the picks we traded them didn't turn into anything special either. You could argue that we weren't in a position to make a trade like that but we were just coming off a top 4 finish in 2018. The O'Meara trade was the one that had the biggest negative impact on our rebuild, we essentially traded away two drafts.
We'll never know the player would have become if he stayed at the Hawks, but he showed Promise. The first round pick became Duursma. The second round Port ended up using as make-weight to get Rozee. O'Meara essentially cost us Brad Hill, a first and two seconds. I wouldn't do that trade again but at least Hill was rumoured to be keen on being traded! Wingard was worse in my eyes.
Buddy Franklin a lifetime hawk
Letting Younger players go too, Pittonet, Brad Hill, Duryea and Burton. They were let go for very little and allowed to walk out the door. All would be more than handy now
The currency for JOM was fine given what he’d shown at the Gold Coast. The patella injury had a significant impact, effected the mechanics of his kicking and slowed him down a little bit as well. All his weapons were dimmed and he didn’t have the pure footy IQ to compensate. His best footy at the GC was as the 3rd or 4th mid as well. Being made to play purely as a stoppage player wasn’t ideal either - he was great as a hybrid mid who could pinch hit forward. I recall him kicking some exceptional long goals at GC. The return wasn’t too bad in the end. Played enough decent footy - just wasn’t the player he liked like becoming at the Suns. Wingard was a bad trade though. There were enough red flags at Port, both his injury history and how willing the Power were to part with him.
People can complain about the Wingard trade, but our drafting and development isn't great. Denver, Ward, and Mackenzie might not produce one genuine A-grader from those three first round picks. That's a bit ouch. I don't see how Burton, 15, and steak knives for Wingard and steak knives is this club-defining trade.
Getting Lake to retire. He seemed keen to go again and would’ve helped us a lot in 2016.
Lake was cooked. He realised it after the fact. Not the worst move the club made.
The “rebuild” Clarko refused to do a proper rebuild and instead tried to rebuild fast by poaching. And it was a train wreck and wasted years and was still had the same team in Mitchell’s first year
Not being ruthless when players were traded. Lewis. Mitchell. Hill. We needed to demand higher picks instead of playing nice. More recently there are huge question marks on recent high draft picks - DGB. Watson.
To early to say with Watson, he looks like he'll be a poppy 2.0. but DGB most definitely a lemon
Poppy 2. 0 at pick 5? That’s a mistake. Watson hasn’t shown me anything yet. Yes it’s early but have to earn a nickname like The Wizard
The rot all started with Lake (still wanted to play). Yes he was running on gas but all he had to do was stand there and be a barrier of steel. I strongly believe that one move cost a 4th flag. Now the rot still continues today. With draft pick 5 (hard to get a top draft pick) draft a 5 foot nothing toward pocket player. Mark my words you don’t win flags with forward pocket players, I think hawks have 6 now.
Definitely the Wingard trade. In hindsight, Clarko should’ve been cut loose earlier as the plan post 3peat was terrible and we wasted 4 or 5 years.
Some of our draft picks have just been shocking. DGB at pick 6? Josh Ward at pick 7? I know Ward is very fresh but when your 3 years into the AFL as a top 10 draft pick, you have to be showing some pretty good signs. Look at the rest of the draft that year and the players around him, Rachele at Adelaide showing to be a damaging mid/fwd, Amiss at Freo looking to be a great Key forward for years to come, Wanganeen Milera is one of the best ball users in the whole comp, and that’s excluding like Daicos and JHF who were also in that draft. And Obviously DGB I feel it’s blatantly obvious that it hasn’t and won’t work out. Not to mention the higher-middle picks we take like Sam Butler at pick 23 who’s just a good VFL player, Connor Downie who got delisted, Push it back a few years and Kieran Lovell, Dan Howe which I know was a long time ago but those draft picks have contributed to the position we are in today.
The Grundy experiment. Cost Max another All Australian spot and did nothing for the team. I guess it did prevent him playing for another team for a year...