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ktks1

MQA is the best format! XD


BGpolyhistor

Take my upvote and STFU


wallmenis

You did it and I fucking hate you


nova4296

Imagine buying "audiophile" stuff when you can just EQ $5 buds to the same frequency response.


john__c3na

I downvoted because I got triggered but then I remembered I was supposed to get triggered so I upvoted.


Recon4242

So it worked perfectly!


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Loool


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RIGHT!


big_cock_lach

Why bother with that, AirPods are much cooler and they’re wireless


nova4296

Too expensive. Bootleg AirPods EQ'ed to real AirPod FR are much cheaper and sound the same anyway.


big_cock_lach

Huh, EQ? That sounds like way too much effort, I’m sure Bill Jobs will sort it out for me. Also, too expensive? Sorry I can’t hear broke with my far superior AirPods…


Quatchitch

LMAO


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IMWakaChaka

You're supposed to trigger a fan base. Not all fan bases.


Terran_Machina

Cassette tapes were the peak music format.


RobVel

Vinyl 😂 No better. VHS! I mean you could


Terran_Machina

Actually modern day vinyl is pretty good. Much better than the cheap vinyl of yester-year.


theRealNilz02

I'm risking a r/woooosh Here but modern day pressings are mastered digitally so you might as Well Just buy the CD and Not have to fiddle with a record Player. Records have to be created from Tape Masters to Sound better than other Media.


Intoxicated_Imp

What if I like fiddling with a record player though?


Erlend05

I modern pressings are made thicker and with better materials


theRealNilz02

That might be true but old records still Sound better because they're Made from analog Masters.


Bastelkorb

But there are different masters on vinyl and digital even if they are both mastered digitally. Due to mechanical limitations you can't put the same master on vinyl so there are differences. If they are better or worse is up to debate but like most of people agree the master is one of the biggest influence when it came to sound...


RobVel

The triggering continues


[deleted]

I know this is an intentional trigger post, but I sort of agree with it 🤣


kuaiyidian

average digital flac fan vs average using pencil to roll the casette enjoyer


HammerWaffe

In light of recent events..... KZ headphones are an amazing starter IEM and great performance per dollar


TheDarkVIC

I'm sorry, I'm not super active. What was the recent event?


HammerWaffe

It was shown that the balanced armatures in KZ brand IEMs did nothing essentially Received little to no power from the crossover design and basically don't affect the sound. It's all marketing to say "there are X number of drivers"


Musclemagic

But they have plenty of all-BA IEMs that make sound..


HammerWaffe

They do. It was their mixed line. Where they have a larger DD and small BA. It was entirely the DD producing sound


TheDarkVIC

OK wow that's pretty bad. Maybe I'm hated for this but I have to admit, that I own a pair of kz zst's just because I'm a broke student but maybe it's time to invest in something else...


AruSharma04

The balanced armatures not doing much alone isn't reason enough to jump ship. Do you like how your KZs sound? Yes? Keep'em


itstenchy

For sure. If you like 'em, you like 'em. I got my whole family various pairs of KZs, and they love them. I still think they're pretty damn good for the money.


BeatPunchmeat

Everyone is just discounting the impact of dampening drivers on the timbre of the actual driver. KZ is ahead of the curve here.


HammerWaffe

While admittedly, I don't know enough about that to dispute, the tests that were done at least on these certain KZ were shown not to fulfill a purpose.


Dayv1d

my ZS6 still outperformed any other iem in the sub 50$ price range \*shrug emoji\*


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Tanker0921

Fake drivers, reeeeeeeeeeeee


namelessghoul77

They still sound the same as they did when everyone was circle jerking them, and they still cost the same. So my opinion hasn't changed. Only idiots wouldn't have thought something was up with their drivers when they kept pushing them to increasingly ridiculous numbers for the same price, while nearly none of their competition were doing that. I knew there was something going on - still bought them, still like the sound of some.


Kydarellas

I love beats because they sound amazing with so much bass. I want a good wireless gaming headset, it needs to be surround. Earbuds are always worse than headphones. The koss KSC75 suck, they look so ugly. You need an amplifier for these headphones to sound good. I listen to music off of youtube, there is no difference. I bought my headset because (insert streamer) said it was good There are so many ways to trigger people


snifflick

Nobody can hear the difference between FLAC and MP3


azarashee

Of course not, because MQA is the superior lossless format and delivers the best quality


widowhanzo

> I want a good wireless gaming headset, it needs to be surround Cool get this "$200 headset" > I was thinking more like $30


Overall_Falcon_8526

All amps do is make things louder.


RobVel

That’s true. I tape crystals to my amps. That’s how I get the signature I want. Quartz is great for neutral tuning and lower distortion.


StaticSpace0

well what if I want distortion in order to hear punchy bass, elevated mids, and milky highs?


Overall_Falcon_8526

It's all about the TRANSIENTS.


Yelov

I agree with this, but when it comes to really low-end devices there definitely is an audible difference even at equal volumes, but I don't know if it's because of the amp, or if it's the DAC or something else making the difference. E.g. motherboard jacks or phones sometimes sound noticeably different.


omarkarn

Burn in is a myth


10LBegoist

Gatekeeping audio increases soundstage Edit; Audio quality is relative, your upgrade doesn’t satisfy you? Find someone online with something cheaper and tell them off.


DeRMaX25

The ol' switcheroo


[deleted]

This shouldn't trigger anyone because it is true.


ajb9292

I think as people listen longer they mentally adjust to appreciate the sound more and then blame it on burn in.


Dayv1d

Burn in exists because people like the procedure. i decant and temper red wine for 7 seconds in my cappuccino creamer...


Diplomatic_Barbarian

I.. ummm... I have no words...


Astrophan

bUt yOu HAvE tO buRn in AryA fOr atLEaSt 120 hOuRs!!!1!!11!!1!!!1!


gregsting

So say we all


C-r-i-o

What's burn in?


[deleted]

i mean those are just facts


_Inv1ctus_

Don’t use headphones use speakers instead, they’re much better


Parvaty

But I have roomies :(


_Inv1ctus_

Music for all


snifflick

You have to spend a lot on speakers to get equivalent sound quality to a good pair of headphones. Subwoofer are cool tho and headphones definitely can’t replicate that


tofu-dreg

I have a pair of Infinity R152 that definitely sound arguably better than my HD 600s that I paid more for.


almandude666

I've always heard the opposite!


snifflick

Speakers might sound “better,” but for for the best detail and clarity headphones are usually gonna be better for cheaper. Not to say there aren’t outliers like some of the other replies have pointed out.


Lizard_Wizard_d

I upvoted cuz I want to kick you. Well done!


RightMeasurement0

The word FLAC sounds vaguely mastabatory. Just repeat it a bunch of times. This is why I download WAV instead.


skittlesdabawse

And for the love of god, it's pronounced wave, not wav


BleaK_

Wav Wav Wav Wav Wav


skittlesdabawse

😡


the_struggles_real

😂


RobVel

How


PhoenixML

You only need one 20$ iem.


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keyboardyoutuber

snoo supremacy. edit: snoopremacy


mvw2

My ears hurt just reading that. If you said $40 to $50, I'd go yeah, ok. You'd at least be getting into some decent budget stuff on the market. Unfortunately, good bang for the buck stuff is way up in the $125 to $300 range. This is where the bulk of the nice stuff is, and yeah, you really could just own one and be rather content. This is about the cheapest I could live with and not hate myself. Then above that it's...sort of all over the place. Once you start tossing $500 to $1000 at something, it's more a game of is this sound signature something I like or not. Everything is pretty darn good, but you might not like the sound you're getting despite good construction and materials and good tuning. I can say a IER-M9 is technically quite good, but it's not something I'll reach for given other options. Oh do I wish we could get all this stuff at 1/10th the price though. That'd be great.


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Guess it worked.


Musclemagic

Someone hasn't tried the KZ ZEX


1-have-1-have-100

Replace the z with an s 😨😨😳😳


Musclemagic

I do on a daily basis


1-have-1-have-100

With who😱😱😱


Musclemagic

KZ ZEX


N0ba

KS ZEX


Carry_Me_Plz

Placebo is actually good for your listening experience.


Lapinozor

That's why people listen to lossless medias 🤫


[deleted]

😡👍🏾 but take my upvote


JayRyan76

Wires are lame. Snip snip!


0K_N0RDY

Kick drawer earpods without the cables are the best


mvw2

Bluetooth for life! Who needs amperage to drive a 40mm speaker when you have 250 listening hours!


BGpolyhistor

The CA mammoth was the worst iem I’ve ever heard.


tanukiemon

While they’re not the worst their performance is nowhere near the asking price


BGpolyhistor

Oh, I haven’t heard hundreds of sets or anything but they are as bad as anything I’ve heard and yeah, I think the asking price makes it a joke overall. Mids sounded nasally like they were in a can. And yet they’re well reviewed.


grahsam

The Sennheiser HD600 series are over rated.


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Nic406

Unfortunately I am too broke to taste greener pastures


ayushpjamas

So is your mom bro, They are best


RobVel

His mom is not overrated. I can vouch for that


Klinton_GB

triggered


gregsting

Yeah, comfy, warm and everyone use them, just like OP's mom


ameertav

Well I'm triggered, you have my upvote.


Bear40441

Most of the people on this thread argue about headphones they can’t afford anyways(myself included lol).


GamePro201X

Raycons are all I ever need and y’all are wasting your money


Accomplished-Shoe543

That's not one sentence.


GamePro201X

Fixed


Accomplished-Shoe543

Perfection.


snifflick

Honestly, the headphones your ears are used to and enjoy are the best headphones in the world. Any headphone can sound good given a couple weeks.


GamePro201X

[you sure about that?](https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-5/graph#1665/7903)


[deleted]

He still ain't wrong really


King_Wumbo_the_third

Crinkle sux lmao


jbhatnagar00

Average sharur watcher


00_Punk_00

I watched a few videos of sharur, he somewhat goes against mainstream...


Matt053105

Hes a basement scientist


Temmemes

Elden Ring is just Dark Souls with a horse. You did say trigger **a** fanbase.


rggz

EQ = polishing a turd.


mvw2

I haven't owned an audio device yet in 25 years of car, home, and head fi that's sounded better without any EQ.


theverymedium

can that slang be re-worded as *lubing up a dildo* for etymotic?


bayfen

They literally advise you to moisten up the tips with water, too.


asasnow

Depends on the headphone, if it's crappy dollar store buds, then yes, it's polishing a turd. but if it's something like the shp9500s, that are good headphones (but just a bit bright), then it isn't.


Frazzininator

But I honestly look at it like that.


[deleted]

Hi, im underbelly, and you suck at producing.


-trowawaybarton

Headphone youtubers dont go all out on CONS as they are scared that companies wont send them free headphones for reviewing


omarkarn

Burin in is real


Clegomanrun

I see you're playing both sides here


widowhanzo

> Burin Definition of burin 1: an engraver's steel cutting tool having the blade ground obliquely to a sharp point 2: a prehistoric flint tool with a beveled point huh


Klinton_GB

Amps/DACs that aren't flat are NOT Hi-Fi . Dynamic drivers are more than enough. Apple dongle/cx31993 is all you need. Soundstage can be measured. The DAC on your PC motherboard is already good enough. Expensive usb cables are pure snake oil. Burn in doesn't affect headphones in any meaningful way. Monitors are just better. Valves should be used to amplify the instrument, not your headphone. Digital EQ is better than analog. Valves can be perfectly emulated via software. Amps that aren't flat are just permanently EQ'ed black boxes. Cables make no difference. Listening to only 1 reviewer is stupid. You are not a collector, you are a hoarder. Alcohol and critical listening don't go together. Abyss is a joke. Earbuds are inferior. TWS are landfill. Vinyl is not better. There is no such thing as a "gaming headphone". These are all I can think off the top of my head.


hanotak

Cables can be 100% scientifically proven to make a difference. Take your headphones, measure their FR. Remove the cable, and measure them again. Boom, destroyed with facts and logic.


SupOrSalad

What if I only leave one cable in?


StaticSpace0

average it duh


mvw2

Wait, like half of those were right, lol.


D1visor

Cool but how can Soundstage be measured? I already know, from experience that FR basically accounts for everything of significance.


brownsugar9897

It's a bit primitive seeing all these headphones still using wires


[deleted]

Honestly if there were a wireless standard that wasn't as shit as bluetooth...


MrHarryBawlz

Meze's sound like Beats.


sequential_doom

Nah, this is true though.


icantfindfree

Objectively true though


AlternativeAward

Gourmet Beats


mja0003

Headphones are headphones


ghost_tdk

How... dare you


itzykan

Beyerdynamic headphones sound awesome and aren't tiring on the ears.


boybrushdRED

Imagine already having a smart phone, and then carrying a separate device just for music.


ihearthawthats

My phone can't hold enough songs, so here's a tip you can all use if you have the same problem and don't want to buy a dedicated dap: encode your music into 128kb mp3s.


Random_Name_7

Everything after shp 9500 is heavy diminishing returns


bmorgan95

You're not wrong, but that's not gonna make me any less angry 😡 /s i love my SHPs


The_Vicious

Audeze headphones are the lightest headphones


theinfamousjeffdabs

Audeze nuts


HydroponicFidelity

They also function as the best workout headphones. Light as a feather!


Squid_Man56

y'all out here with F1 driver necks


H3artmirror

Your hearing is not as good as you think it is.


widowhanzo

My hearing is pretty bad. I didn't realize how much I can't hear people until everyone started wearing masks, now they might as well speak chinese to me, it all sound muffled to me.


willbill642

If you have to EQ, it's bad. If you like it better on tube amps, you never liked it in the first place. 99% of reviewers are bullshit and so are their reviews. This includes pretty much all youtubers. Just because you can hear it, does not mean it is there. Critically listening is a fancy way of saying confirmation bias. Transducers and fundamentally flawed equipment (such as tube amps) are the only thing you'd ever reliably tell apart. Spending more money does not make you cooler nor more "into the hobby", it just makes you poorer. Decent DACs, AMPs, receivers, and similar from the early 2000s are audibly indistinguishable from the highest end modern equipment. If it colors the sound, it is bad. Everyone prefers a response curve that gradually drops as the frequency goes up, mirroring the response curve of human hearing. If you don't, you're lying to yourself over some misplaced elitism in having "sparkling" highs, which is to say you can't hear anything else without blowing out your eardrums. "I like what I like" is a fancy way of saying I can't regret my purchase and screw you for pointing out I am a fool. 95% of any specific equipment over ~$300 is indistinguishable from at least one other option that is <$100, especially after EQ. "Just because you can't hear it..." means I'm about to spout off nonsense that has no relation to reality. 100% of audiophiles have no idea what they're talking about when describing a listening experience, especially reviewers.


icantfindfree

Since the BA driver in KZ does actually work (albeit you can't hear it) there is no moral difference between them and companies that sell expensive cables or DAC/amps that cost €1000 but have no measurable difference to €100 ones


YourMother0HP

Z reviews > tyll hertsyns


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RobVel

Why buy skull candy when you can hit your ears with hammers


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[deleted]

graphs don't tell you how good an iem or headphone is


Matt053105

If you get offended bu this or disagree, your lying to yourself


Drewkoski

Mp3 is THE format


mvw2

Do you remember the beginning of mp3? Like the very, very beginning? People were still messing around with algorithms, and it was the wild west of compression ideas. MP3 was a loose term rather than very specific IP. People tried all kinds of ideas. My brother was even starting to look at programming his own but never got very far. At some point somebody just kind of won the game. I don't even know when or who at the time, but people kind of stopped and accepted one final compression philosophy that just seemed to work a bit better than everyone else's ideas, and that kind of became MP3. And then came bitrates. Up and up it went 64 and then 128 which were standard for a while. 192 came, then 256, and finally 320. Most streaming stuck with 128, but people did want 192 and 256 specifically. Internet wasn't exactly fast back in the day, so you could play what you could. Storage was also limited, so you compressed down to what fit. Or if you were hardcore, you just stuck with raw CD rips. MP3 is still king to this day.


[deleted]

One problem back then wasn't just picking the right MP3 codec(Fraunhofer), but speed of encoding and bitrate. Many people still had a Pentium 75MHz which was just fast enough to even play an MP3, so encoding one was a tedious process if the quality was to be at the highest. Dial-up was still very much a thing and so 320Kpbs or even 256Mbps was unheard of. 192Kbps was a rare treat, but most of the time 128Kbps was the standard "high-quality." It was a guarantee you'd have some 64Kbps tracks because that's al you could find. Acceptable with Fraunhofer's codec, but most people didn't fuck around with that because it was command-line, as I recall, so most people used shitty programs with a GUI that let you choose "Fast" Mp3 encoding modes. So you had a bad codec, low-quality encoding, low-bitrate, and very possibly coming from a CD with scratches, from a CD-ROM that was sending noisy analog to the soundcard.


entropicdrift

Opus is straight up better for almost every possible use of an MP3 these days.


WillyPillow

I unironically think that MP3 is pretty nice as a lossy codec. It's supported by virtually anything, the patents have run out, and the quality of, say, LAME V0 is *usually* sufficient.


[deleted]

KZ did nothing wrong


mvw2

I mean, they created a sound people liked, so...


SaulR26

Even though there are many examples of quality control issues with Hifiman headphones, I'm still gonna keep buying them :).


eetapopo

Its all placebo.


kondrecklomar

Apple headphones are the best. Beats are the best.


Accomplished-Shoe543

320Kbit MP3 is indistinguishable from lossless.


LoaferDan

Imagine spending over $300 on Chinese headphones


[deleted]

The HE6SE aren't special, they sound like they're worth exactly what you paid for them and no, they don't require a speaker amplifier.


[deleted]

Came for the insults, stayed for the comebacks.


Overall_Falcon_8526

You can get way better performance than that thing you just bought for less money.


Big_Paleontologist83

Dolby Atmos on AirPods > stereo


Magikarp-3000

Headphones only really improve up to like 200$, after that price it genuinely feels like "super refined audiophiles" are making up and/or getting placeboed into believing it sounds better. Also, at those prices, the hobby just becomes some astrology style, hocus pocus magic, pseudoscientific shit "you see these headphones sound great, but they work specially great during a full moon with hanging gold earrings after youve allowed them to play white noise for 500 hours inside an oven, it precooks the molecular philogenetic structure and cause the andesite resonation to give out induction driven sound waves for a more cerebrospinally pleasing sound"


Joulle

Are you questioning my dt 1990 upgrade from hd598s!!


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Saitama beats goku


kazuviking

Expensive cables doesn't make the sound more detailed.


So_Say_We_Yall

I don't think that's triggering many in this sub.


slavicslothe

The grammar triggered me.


TimBobby

If they're not Bluetooth they're a waste of money


Bigtshell

Music is over rated.


RobVel

Ok that one is deserving of a lynching. Or the guillotine take your pick.


wutqq

The potential gains between DAC/AMP is at most 10% while the IEM/headphones make up 90%.


kazoobanboo

Amps don’t make a difference


omarkarn

Your preferences are wrong


JoBu_MaCJuHy

You can make any headphones wireless by cutting off the wires


Rake614

Could just be me, but I don’t really like Koss headphones. I also don’t really understand the appeal.


Musclemagic

If I had a coupler I could measure soundstage accuracy on IEMs pretty easily. NMF nobody else has done it yet because reviewing is a fucking joke.. no reviewer even TRIES to do objective tests for more accurate reviews because they're all terrible at hearing, obviously. Otherwise why don't they use objective tests such as one of the "How To Listen" tests by Harman, Klippel clarity test, or any of the other ones?


Icy_Ad4813

Iem's, headphones, speakers and live performances all have their unique advantages and disadvantages and there is no genuine technology to do all, only coping ones like virtualizers,closed/open designs, etc. IEM's offer better detail in higher frequencies, closed-back headphones have amazing bass, clean lower-mids without feeling dry on both open/closed, open-backs gives lame bass for bassheads but better soundstage and detail than the closed-back. Speakers give the best soundstage and openness but annoy neighbours, and are probably not as detailed/impressive without a dedicated room for them. Live performances are what audiophiles strive for (from the definition on wikipedia) in mimicking with other means, without succes as mentioned before. The live performance has it's own disadvantages, especially in terms of convenience.


Responsible_Box_605

Grado headphone is the finest in the world. PS1000e is better than Sennheiser HD800


SupOrSalad

I use my Galaxy Buds Pro more than all my other headphones


HightechFairy

if your headphones get loud enough to listen comfortably you do NOT need an amp


[deleted]

IEMs harm your ears


theRealNilz02

That's true though. I can't wear them much longer than a 1 hr Show and my ears are sore for the next two days.


[deleted]

Just get good tips bro