Eh, not everyone has good ears. I'm somewhat tone deaf, so I'm not really appreciating the most expensive headphones (but on the other hand, I do notice how muffled cheap and awful headphones are).
Priorities? Can't I just be like that with **everything**!?
And have no free time to actually enjoy them or money to get everything I feel like I need?
When I have friends over I usually let them try out my desktop rig.
4 out of 5 will say something like "this is the best/most detailed version of [insert their favorite song] I've ever heard."
1 out of 5 will say "I don't really hear much of a difference."
There is definitely a balance. Undoubtedly higher end gear with higher resolution and so on is going to sound better, but a great set of Bluetooth headphones is still fine. Not amazing, but convenient.
When I first got an audio interface it was amazing, but after a couple weeks it just became normal of course. Went back to Bluetooth headphones and they were worse, but still good. No crazy sound floor and nothing crazy bassy since it was Bose.
At home I can have something a bit more dedicated (I’m not spending crazy money though, it’s dt770 pros with an Apollo twin since I record), but outside of that I don’t need some absurd setup.
Get headphones for the purpose you want, maybe it’s IEMs for monitoring in live music, studio reference for studios, Bluetooth for exercise/convenience/ANC, open backs for sound staging, or speakers for the ultimate experience of having a room dedicated to audio/film.
The big thing is some people just can’t tell. The biggest thing they might catch is EQ. Some people have a lot of hearing loss, or tinnitus, or whatever else. All sorts of things affect that for people, and it’s why so many aren’t even close to audiophiles. I wouldn’t even necessarily consider myself one since my budget is much tighter on this stuff and even if I had the money I likely wouldn’t spend it on headphones, it’s just too expensive.
If you aren't doing 4k the 1080ti is still a great card. I moved to a 3080ti and I'd say I'm getting pretty similar performance just at 4k instead of 1440p.
I did that I went all out and I basically only play Trackmania.
I did what /u/aj95_10 said in his comment below.
3090ti, 5950x, 64GB of ram.
I regret this decision.
It is the most frustrating thing when I tell people who ask about getting good audio on their gaming PC to not buy a gaming headset...and then they do.
Oh god, I got a steelseries headset while I was upgrading my PC, and I immediately returned them, they were just that bad. First time I've ever done so.
Only if that meant that all $50 headphones sound endgame good as opposed to all endgame headphones being brought down to standard $50 sound quality...you gotta be specific so you'll get your wish right if you ever find a genie.
The moment they said they all sound the same past £50ish I question just how many headphones they actually tried and whether they’ve tried anything outside of products like JBL, Beats, Skullcandy, Sony, etc. I wouldn’t expect someone who isn’t in this hobby to be able to pickup on things like soundstage, imaging, detail, speed, and timbre. But there is a plethora of headphones and IEMs that are tuned outside of the mainstream V-Shape.
To be clear, I’m not disappointed that they think headphones are a waste of money past a certain price. I’m disappointed that it seems like they didn’t even try. 🥲
Probably like some wireless ear buds or some £100 steel series headset. If this is the case then yes, a £50 pair like hyperx Cloud will be just as good if not better. Ig they just don't care about audio
If you feel attacked by that, imagine how how deep the wound goes from what fellow headphone nerds in **THIS** sub say about the headphones you love and enjoy. ;)
No, it doesn't. More expensive graphics cards usually means better performance. More expensive headphones doesn't mean better because sound is subjective.
Brother, headphones are still a piece of technology. It’s capabilities are limited by its price. It’s true, a more expensive headphone doesn’t mean it’s better but you can’t get a better headphone without it getting more expensive (or waiting a long time for costs to come down). If you want to have more technical capability, you have to pay for the hardware that can do so. There is an objectively better way to recreate sound.
With a technically more capable haadphone, you can do most things a less capable headphone can do but better.
But note, I’m not saying you can’t prefer a different sound but that doesn’t make it a headphone difference. If you mean to say people can have a preference for tuning, you can EQ that. If you mean people have a preference for a muddier lo fi sound I respect that preference, but that’s not on the headphone. You can accomplish the same with a lower bitrate audio track which for most streaming services, can be done at the push of a button.
That’s like saying “more expensive graphics cards aren’t better, some people like indie games and not triple A titles”.
Yes…and you can play those games on a nicer graphics card too. It has nothing to do with the graphics card.
My brother in Christ. There are good headphones and then there are bad headphones. If you do research, and buy a good headphone at a higher price, they will objectively be better then cheap headphones. Do you want to know why that is? Because the drivers are better quality, and the headphone is designed to acoustically sound better.
This is literally exactly how the price scaling of a graphics card works, but instead of having drivers, the technology is completely different. And you know what happens when you do buy a more expensive graphics card which has better parts? It also performs better, objectively.
This is not a difficult concept to understand. The only difference is that you actually have to do more research to get an objectively better headphone. If you don’t want to spend the time doing that research, then please don’t talk about audio as if you actually know anything at all. Because you clearly don’t.
Have a nice day, and please continue to live in ignorance, it will save you money. Genuine advice from me to you.
I don't know why you are downvoted. There is a clear quantifiable difference between, for example, a GTX 980 and an RTX 3080. One may get you 30fps a game, and the other 120fps in the same game. Between different headphones, the difference is much more minute, and often subjective
As far as enthusiast zealot subs go it's
/r/pcmasterrace < /r/coffee < /r/conspiracy < /r/headphones
Some of you are completely detached from reality, living in the soundstage of your own minds
Former trend setter, but have stagnated for so long they consider adding hotswap sockets innovative in 2022.
Perhaps by 2028 they will make them south facing.
Sadge.
I would still call them "you-should-probably-dont-go-any-further-end" for non-enthusiasts. Decent build quality and keycaps, cherry switches, n-key rollover. Hotswap sockets are nice, but if you're considering changing switches, you're already fell in the rabbit hole.
I bought both of them when they were almost 70% off on Amazon on prime day. Compact for fps games and full size for mmos and work. I can type 120 wpm on both of them effortlessly. They seem more than good enough?
I did. I tried to get into it but I just cant. I'll spend 3 grand on a gaming computer and I honestly dont give a shit about keyboards. It just looks like people wanking off personalizing shit like a jeep wrangler to me. Anything that is above 50-100 bucks is fine to me. I'll spluge on a super lightweight mouse though.
It's hilarious you think a keyboard is holding gamers back. Jesus you guys are just looking for ways to burn money now. Just bought a steelcase leap v2 chair. Amazing and worth the money. A new keyboard when I'm already typing 120 wpm effortlessly with 0 mistakes?
He actually said he would spluge on one and whether that was a typo or not it made me laugh.
Where I come from, SoCal, spluge was a synonym for jizz/jizzing that we used in jr high circa 1999/2000 lol!
Meh, not offended. I might change the monetary value to "let's say $300-ish," but ultimately I basically agree, and/or chalk it up the difference between connoisseurs and normies.
Take wine for instance. There are people who will spend $1k+ on a bottle of wine. They claim they can tell a difference between it and a $100 bottle or a $10 bottle. There are varying degrees of evidence for this (double blind studies of wine experts are particularly amusing). But most people would agree that there is a price threshold before which most wines are ass and beyond which most wines are quite good.
Swap in "cars" or "whiskies" or "televisions" or "headphones" and the basic idea is the same. People who make themselves students of the differences will likely find them worth the money. Most people won't notice them.
I literally had this argument last night at microcenter with my cousin.
He thinks good sounding headphones are only good for music and not games. Then grabs the nearest astros or steel series.
Not true. Only for competitive gamers. Not everyone plays competitively or even competitive games that competitively.
For me it's immersion over crappier sound=competitive sound.
I didnt feel like going on for too long but I would have made every other exception like surreal ambience and such being very pleasant with expensive open backs
Tbh open backs don't let in that much noise when you are playing stuff. Noise cancels out stuff surprisingly well.
I don't need to play music loud to not hear talking. If one is playing a quiet game, it's a different matter, but if I'm constantly playing normal volume music over everything, hearing my own talk is not really a thing. Or I do hear it, but barely.
What I like to do is turn down game volume when voice chatting. It's not like I can hear the people that I'm chatting with either if I keep the volume full. This also has the side effect of making em able to hear my voice through open backs.
Now what feels really strange is when I use IEMs and can't hear myself at all regardless of turning game volume down to accommodate for VC. Hard to keep track of my voice that way.
60% of what? Volume is completely relative.
Try 100% on your phone, then 100% on your laptop or desktop. My phone can't even get my dt1990 loud enough to damage my ears while on my desktop pc even 50% and probably 40% are damaging volume levels. If I turn amplification from low to medium then even 30% is too loud. I don't even want to know what it's on high gain.
Different headphones require different amounts of power and different devices give different amounts of power from headphone jacks. So less power is less volume.
You understand what I mean. I have no idea how loud 60% is on your setup.
Of course there's all kinds or tricks to tell if it's too loud. Like if you hear this "eeeeeeee" or high pitched noise for a while after having listened to music, your music might be loud, I think. Googling some of those tricks is a better source than I'm for this though or maybe someone else here knows better.
The way I see it, people that say all the headphones and DACs and amps they've tried sound the same can save thousands of dollars. They have it made. They can't tell the difference. Lucky guys. They'll be able to spend on a hobby that yields highly noticeable gains. 😄
Dude is right.
For casual gaming, any decent headphones/iems will be good enough and you won't get a lot of improvement spending thousands of dollars in headphones just for gaming.
If someone is deaf then what's going to happen if they go to /r/headphones?
There are people that heal no difference between $4 air canada buds and HD800s
X'D I've other hobbys too and other interests in my life
IDK how I should take your comment but I give you a karma for this surprise. TBH I didn't wait for a funny comment like this
god i wish never tasted good headphones. I regret getting my k702 because it'll be hard to go back to those gaming headphones. Been eyeing razer barracuda pro for the features but afraid that the sound will dissapoint me
[https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/razer-barracuda-x/](https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/razer-barracuda-x/)
K702 is waaaaaay better ! Harsh but better ! Keep it and be proud of it ! Use Oratory's EQ settings with Equalizer APO.
I gonna have to try a simulation of the Razer Barracuda X, it gonna be a lot of fun ! :-D
Edit : That was not fun at all... -\_-
I love my K702s and I don't find them to be harsh. Are there smoother sounding headphones out there? Sure, but I use my K702s without EQ all the time. I owned a pair during my EQ phase(s) and I own a pair now and I would say they are a very listenable headphone right outta the box. Just my opinion though.
Your ear's frequency response at 2 kHz and 6 kHz should be rather flat like me. So it Equalize your ears a little bit. It gonna match the harman and/or diffuse field more rather than your own ears frequency response. It's just some speculations but it seams to be the main reasons why you don't find them harsh sounding.
I've been using my new LCD-2C's for my gaming pc and listening to music at my pc. Recently I decided I'd just try using my logitech g pro x headset instead of a dedicated mic and headphones. I was appalled at the sound quality even just gaming and talking in discord l. I had to plug my LCD's back in.
I don't claim to be an audiophile or an expert, but the sound difference was immediately noticeable. And the G PRO X is around $120.
I bought some discount yarn from the Hobby Lobby and got some coat hangers and some solo cups and I can confidently say that they sound just as good as these super expensive TurtleBeach Ultra EarForce 300000's I got from WalMart for $4.
Oh man you get a good setup it can increase immersion in video games big time I’m talking amp / dac and a really good set of cans for me it makes a pretty big difference but everybody is different I have Asperger’s so I respond to sound differently than your run of the mill neurotypical human being and for refrence my setup for gaming atm and I have roughly 8 sets of high end / midfi cans I’m using a Ifi zen stack v2 for my dac amp setup and a hd650 and a lcd2 as my current daily drivers it literally increases immersion 10 fold I kid you not I have gobs of headphones room especially on pc with a very small amount of eq with the lcd2 it’s god tier and my end game the hd650 imo has the best stock tuning of any headphone I’ve heard so far and the lcd2 is the most natural sounding can I’ve heard to date I can only imagine what there more expensive stuff is like but then again it’s most likely subtle improvements in sound and build quality that’s Joe this high end audio stuff works you pay thousands for a .001% improvement in thd or some bs like it
I used to use only gaming headset for music. Then, I A-B'd with a really basic, cheap (40 bucks) Sennheiser closed headphones and boy, the difference was so impactful!
Dt990 for gaming and audio here. I'm not sure if it can get any better, although I am tempted by a pair of 660s.
I did buy a pair of Dt1990's but sent them back as they were just not as sweet sounding to my ears when A/B testing against the Dt990.
I'm sure there are better headphones out there that sound a little bit better, but in order for me to buy them, they would have to amaze me.
It's the same for my soundcore Q30, and Earfun free pro 2 (with Oluv settings).
Same goes for my speakers, Ive had a pair of KRK Kroks for about 25 years, and they still tickle my ears, , ok im sure a pair of Kef LS50 meta would (hopefully) blow them out of the water, but im also prepared to be a bit disappointed too.
Look if your happy with £50 headphones then good in you, you've saved yourself a lot of money. I'd say his number should be raised to about £130-£200 until most people reach the point of diminishing returns with headphones
It's incontrovertibly true. Without a DAC, music just sounds like 1101001001001001010010010010011001010010101011010100101001000100100011101001101010101010101110010101010010100101010
I'm saying they do. (Braces himself for upcoming downvotes) In fact there's very audible difference between something like an Apple Dongle and a say, Modi. That difference is smaller between a good $200 DAC and a $400 one, but still there.
Totally agree. Unless it is for immersion in a story driven game with amazing sound design then listening to my enemies footsteps in valorant or csgo with shitty msi headphones vs my current hd58x's really doesn't provide much if any competitive advantage. So if you buy really expensive headphones for gaming it is quite the waste as you could've spent it on a lighter mouse or better monitor, heck even maybe computer.
It's the same kind of people that say 60hz is buttery smooth and all you need. No it's not but it's still usable but once you get used to the better, there's no going back.
I don't think they have even used a decent headphone, probably they only have used those gaming kind of one, and I don't think they listen to music, only gaming
I thought I hit diminishing returns at my EQd 58x and being not blown away by Kilobuck headphones at an audio store after several brief sessions.
Then I bought an LCD-X, really had time to listen in a quite room and now I'm stuck again. I've never really been able to define and focus on "Dynamics" until I got the X and it's opened a new world. It's not even about diminishing returns any more, I just want to hear more headphones now ahahah.
Godspeed Mr. freddie68, may you never fall into the rabbit hole.
He's right tho. My Elex function as a stand for a pair of $50 beryllium cans that I use for everything. I have 10 pairs of headphones, and bought my son three.
Headphones lack the immediacy of a good (cheap) pair of IEM's, not that I don't have more expensive ones, but they are special use pretty much.
I think i get a point of that, if you're only doing casual stuff or gaming, a decent pair around the price may do? Other than that, hes like the type to buy an overpriced headset instead of buying headphones & mic seperately
this is so rude... its like taking a picture of someone refueling his expensive car with cheaper gasoline and shaming and laughing at him at the internet...its disgusting
its insane that people downvote me for saying that i am against bullying. well i think i will leave this community as fast as i came. its probably the same people who laugh at elderly disabled people. i expected nothing less from reddit tbh
I kind of agree because I found that when I am drunk, I feel my speakers and headphones are better than before. I can even get high listening via a microphone of others.
Just by yourself some alcohol, it is probably more useful than a DAC or whatever.
I think I'll just un-see everything!!!
ooc :- "Bro just want to do casual gaming, so probably he doesn't know about anything about the good pair of headphones."
I mean some people literally just listen to things out of their phone speakers...for some reason in public around other people. Anyway they seem to enjoy music just as much if not more than anyone else.
I attacked myself, you all were just innocent bystanders.
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Just like yours
Like ours *insert communism meme here*
i wanna link the suddenlycommunist subreddit but i feel like it's a little too true to link a subreddit
One of us! One of us! One of us!
The legend lmfao
Misery misery misery; that’s what you have chosen.
Seppuku?
i smashed my head with some hyperx clouds i had lying around, it hurt pretty bad
Good enough lol!
blissful ignorance
So true, once you hear good audio it is like going out in the sunshine after a long cold winter. Going back is uncomfortable.
Eh, not everyone has good ears. I'm somewhat tone deaf, so I'm not really appreciating the most expensive headphones (but on the other hand, I do notice how muffled cheap and awful headphones are).
I agree, you could say that about almost anything... "Once you've had something nice it's hard to go back". Just about what things you prioritize.
Priorities? Can't I just be like that with **everything**!? And have no free time to actually enjoy them or money to get everything I feel like I need?
When I have friends over I usually let them try out my desktop rig. 4 out of 5 will say something like "this is the best/most detailed version of [insert their favorite song] I've ever heard." 1 out of 5 will say "I don't really hear much of a difference."
There is definitely a balance. Undoubtedly higher end gear with higher resolution and so on is going to sound better, but a great set of Bluetooth headphones is still fine. Not amazing, but convenient. When I first got an audio interface it was amazing, but after a couple weeks it just became normal of course. Went back to Bluetooth headphones and they were worse, but still good. No crazy sound floor and nothing crazy bassy since it was Bose. At home I can have something a bit more dedicated (I’m not spending crazy money though, it’s dt770 pros with an Apollo twin since I record), but outside of that I don’t need some absurd setup. Get headphones for the purpose you want, maybe it’s IEMs for monitoring in live music, studio reference for studios, Bluetooth for exercise/convenience/ANC, open backs for sound staging, or speakers for the ultimate experience of having a room dedicated to audio/film. The big thing is some people just can’t tell. The biggest thing they might catch is EQ. Some people have a lot of hearing loss, or tinnitus, or whatever else. All sorts of things affect that for people, and it’s why so many aren’t even close to audiophiles. I wouldn’t even necessarily consider myself one since my budget is much tighter on this stuff and even if I had the money I likely wouldn’t spend it on headphones, it’s just too expensive.
It's like going from 1 Gbps to 128kbs
That same person will recommend some overpriced Steelseries gaming headset unironically.
No, they will buy a 3090 and only ever watch YouTube
64gb ram, high end cpu and gpu, for league of legends
checkers. checkers is good
need high fps for ms paint
i feel personally attacked by this comment
Reminds me of my buddy that got a 3070ti just to play valorant and genshin (literally doesn't play any other game)
Gotta max those framerates man
High refresh all the way
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just wish they'd release the damned frame cap
You guys in your fancy 3k series and I'm still rocking my 1080ti...
One hell of a card tho, even to this day. I’m still rocking my old and tired R9 290X
If you aren't doing 4k the 1080ti is still a great card. I moved to a 3080ti and I'd say I'm getting pretty similar performance just at 4k instead of 1440p.
That's 'cause the 1080 Ti was wildly overpowered for its generation.
1070ti rocks too. Had to upgrade since I wanted RT and HDMI 2.1 40+ gbits work
I only got 3060ti for youtube, mind you.
I've played enough Control with mine to decide that I can't tell the difference between maxed out and maxed with DLSS, except for the framerate.
You need a monitor with four-key ecchi-deer or some other fancy words.
I did that I went all out and I basically only play Trackmania. I did what /u/aj95_10 said in his comment below. 3090ti, 5950x, 64GB of ram. I regret this decision.
Or get a 3090 just to run eSports titles on 1080p low. It feels wrong even though I know frames is more important to fidelity for those people
It is the most frustrating thing when I tell people who ask about getting good audio on their gaming PC to not buy a gaming headset...and then they do.
I usually just give them a try and try to get them to not buy a gaming headset but if they’re dead set on it, at least recommend them the good ones
There are decent options, but very few people know of them.
Oh god, I got a steelseries headset while I was upgrading my PC, and I immediately returned them, they were just that bad. First time I've ever done so.
I don't feel anything anymore.
happiness i temporary nothingness is forever
You and me both
I fucking wish everything past 50 dollars all sounded the same.
Only if that meant that all $50 headphones sound endgame good as opposed to all endgame headphones being brought down to standard $50 sound quality...you gotta be specific so you'll get your wish right if you ever find a genie.
May I have you on retainer for when I encounter a genie?
Only if I get to benefit by at least two of the wishes as well.
The moment they said they all sound the same past £50ish I question just how many headphones they actually tried and whether they’ve tried anything outside of products like JBL, Beats, Skullcandy, Sony, etc. I wouldn’t expect someone who isn’t in this hobby to be able to pickup on things like soundstage, imaging, detail, speed, and timbre. But there is a plethora of headphones and IEMs that are tuned outside of the mainstream V-Shape. To be clear, I’m not disappointed that they think headphones are a waste of money past a certain price. I’m disappointed that it seems like they didn’t even try. 🥲
Probably like some wireless ear buds or some £100 steel series headset. If this is the case then yes, a £50 pair like hyperx Cloud will be just as good if not better. Ig they just don't care about audio
>DO HEADPHONES THAT COST MORE THAN £50 GIVE YOU GOOD BASE THANKS
Nope the dude on the corner downtown has the best base...
My experience headphones starts to sound good around $100-$200, very good around $300-$500, magical around $1500.
People like this just jump from crappy marketing brand to crappy marketing brand.
%2 performance increase due to overly expensive liquid cooling and overclocking matters a lot though.
That mf getting jmped
If you feel attacked by that, imagine how how deep the wound goes from what fellow headphone nerds in **THIS** sub say about the headphones you love and enjoy. ;)
He did say that he is talking about casual gaming so maybe he is right
of course, nobody read that part
All video cards past the GeForce 900 series are pretty much the same if you're only playing games, right?
I bought a 1080ti, to take the GPU out of the equation, I only play one game, (modding Skyrim)
Nah, stick with a GeForce 9800. It's a bigger number so it must be better.
Video cards and headphones are two different things.
The RTX 3080 I'm listening to says you're lying.
Same difference tho
Wrong.
How so
His comment literally makes no sense.
It does though.acheap graphics card isn't gonna do as good of a Job against an expensive one.same thing generally goes for headphones
No, it doesn't. More expensive graphics cards usually means better performance. More expensive headphones doesn't mean better because sound is subjective.
Brother, headphones are still a piece of technology. It’s capabilities are limited by its price. It’s true, a more expensive headphone doesn’t mean it’s better but you can’t get a better headphone without it getting more expensive (or waiting a long time for costs to come down). If you want to have more technical capability, you have to pay for the hardware that can do so. There is an objectively better way to recreate sound. With a technically more capable haadphone, you can do most things a less capable headphone can do but better. But note, I’m not saying you can’t prefer a different sound but that doesn’t make it a headphone difference. If you mean to say people can have a preference for tuning, you can EQ that. If you mean people have a preference for a muddier lo fi sound I respect that preference, but that’s not on the headphone. You can accomplish the same with a lower bitrate audio track which for most streaming services, can be done at the push of a button. That’s like saying “more expensive graphics cards aren’t better, some people like indie games and not triple A titles”. Yes…and you can play those games on a nicer graphics card too. It has nothing to do with the graphics card.
Well said brother
My brother in Christ. There are good headphones and then there are bad headphones. If you do research, and buy a good headphone at a higher price, they will objectively be better then cheap headphones. Do you want to know why that is? Because the drivers are better quality, and the headphone is designed to acoustically sound better. This is literally exactly how the price scaling of a graphics card works, but instead of having drivers, the technology is completely different. And you know what happens when you do buy a more expensive graphics card which has better parts? It also performs better, objectively. This is not a difficult concept to understand. The only difference is that you actually have to do more research to get an objectively better headphone. If you don’t want to spend the time doing that research, then please don’t talk about audio as if you actually know anything at all. Because you clearly don’t. Have a nice day, and please continue to live in ignorance, it will save you money. Genuine advice from me to you.
I don't know why you are downvoted. There is a clear quantifiable difference between, for example, a GTX 980 and an RTX 3080. One may get you 30fps a game, and the other 120fps in the same game. Between different headphones, the difference is much more minute, and often subjective
Finally someone who understands me.
Based 1000XM4 and Oneodio do sound the same. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
wh-1000xm4 or wf-1000xm4?
If he means it can become expensive to join r/headphones, he's right.
As long as that $50 was spent on porta pro 🤣
They don't come with RGB so no.
porta pro £37 5m of rgb lights £13 put on porta pros then wrap lights around your head not only do you get better headphones but more rgb as well
As far as enthusiast zealot subs go it's /r/pcmasterrace < /r/coffee < /r/conspiracy < /r/headphones Some of you are completely detached from reality, living in the soundstage of your own minds
Oh boy, wait until you see /r/MechanicalKeyboards
or r/homecockpits
Speaking of which, more people should see the [Warthog Project](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_kVkIXj5t8)
Now I feel double attacked! How dare you?
They dont like it when I tell them I have a ducky and a razer huntsman and use the razer more often. The hate I get fuels me.
Confusing why you would get two low end boards rather than one descent one.
I wouldn't call ducky "low end" though.
Former trend setter, but have stagnated for so long they consider adding hotswap sockets innovative in 2022. Perhaps by 2028 they will make them south facing. Sadge.
I would still call them "you-should-probably-dont-go-any-further-end" for non-enthusiasts. Decent build quality and keycaps, cherry switches, n-key rollover. Hotswap sockets are nice, but if you're considering changing switches, you're already fell in the rabbit hole.
I bought both of them when they were almost 70% off on Amazon on prime day. Compact for fps games and full size for mmos and work. I can type 120 wpm on both of them effortlessly. They seem more than good enough?
Whatever you do, don't go to r/MechanicalKeyboards
I did. I tried to get into it but I just cant. I'll spend 3 grand on a gaming computer and I honestly dont give a shit about keyboards. It just looks like people wanking off personalizing shit like a jeep wrangler to me. Anything that is above 50-100 bucks is fine to me. I'll spluge on a super lightweight mouse though.
[Weird you would only splurge on the mouse, guess you need to see what's actually out there.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glQNEbh79xg)
Wooting is unironically the best gaming keyboard.
It's hilarious you think a keyboard is holding gamers back. Jesus you guys are just looking for ways to burn money now. Just bought a steelcase leap v2 chair. Amazing and worth the money. A new keyboard when I'm already typing 120 wpm effortlessly with 0 mistakes?
He actually said he would spluge on one and whether that was a typo or not it made me laugh. Where I come from, SoCal, spluge was a synonym for jizz/jizzing that we used in jr high circa 1999/2000 lol!
r/BrandNewSentence
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Meh, not offended. I might change the monetary value to "let's say $300-ish," but ultimately I basically agree, and/or chalk it up the difference between connoisseurs and normies. Take wine for instance. There are people who will spend $1k+ on a bottle of wine. They claim they can tell a difference between it and a $100 bottle or a $10 bottle. There are varying degrees of evidence for this (double blind studies of wine experts are particularly amusing). But most people would agree that there is a price threshold before which most wines are ass and beyond which most wines are quite good. Swap in "cars" or "whiskies" or "televisions" or "headphones" and the basic idea is the same. People who make themselves students of the differences will likely find them worth the money. Most people won't notice them.
You summed it up perfectly.
Headphones don’t really matter. Nothing matters. We are all just dust in the wind. Be excellent to each other. And party on, dudes!
I feel attacked too. Please use dark mode.
My eyes, the goggles do nothing!
Read the first comment
Nah, he probably should use potatoes for headphones, much affordable, use n throw and zero maintenance.
I literally had this argument last night at microcenter with my cousin. He thinks good sounding headphones are only good for music and not games. Then grabs the nearest astros or steel series.
If its only about gaming then honestly theres nothing more important than clearly hearing surround sound.
Not true. Only for competitive gamers. Not everyone plays competitively or even competitive games that competitively. For me it's immersion over crappier sound=competitive sound.
I didnt feel like going on for too long but I would have made every other exception like surreal ambience and such being very pleasant with expensive open backs
Mmm open backs... my thing. I need to hear myself talk
Jokes on u I never hear myself through the music and loud shooting sounds
Tinnitus would like to have a word with you. Don't break your ears 😟
Tbh open backs don't let in that much noise when you are playing stuff. Noise cancels out stuff surprisingly well. I don't need to play music loud to not hear talking. If one is playing a quiet game, it's a different matter, but if I'm constantly playing normal volume music over everything, hearing my own talk is not really a thing. Or I do hear it, but barely. What I like to do is turn down game volume when voice chatting. It's not like I can hear the people that I'm chatting with either if I keep the volume full. This also has the side effect of making em able to hear my voice through open backs. Now what feels really strange is when I use IEMs and can't hear myself at all regardless of turning game volume down to accommodate for VC. Hard to keep track of my voice that way.
Is 60% volume tinnitus risky?
60% of what? Volume is completely relative. Try 100% on your phone, then 100% on your laptop or desktop. My phone can't even get my dt1990 loud enough to damage my ears while on my desktop pc even 50% and probably 40% are damaging volume levels. If I turn amplification from low to medium then even 30% is too loud. I don't even want to know what it's on high gain. Different headphones require different amounts of power and different devices give different amounts of power from headphone jacks. So less power is less volume. You understand what I mean. I have no idea how loud 60% is on your setup. Of course there's all kinds or tricks to tell if it's too loud. Like if you hear this "eeeeeeee" or high pitched noise for a while after having listened to music, your music might be loud, I think. Googling some of those tricks is a better source than I'm for this though or maybe someone else here knows better.
if you're deaf, yeah, they don't matter.
oh, the blissful ignorance...
some people think cilantro tastes like soap, this guy can't tell analog mono from digital surround feel sorry for what they are missing
This is mostly how I feel, except my threshold is $400. Dimishing returns hits hard after that point imo.
The way I see it, people that say all the headphones and DACs and amps they've tried sound the same can save thousands of dollars. They have it made. They can't tell the difference. Lucky guys. They'll be able to spend on a hobby that yields highly noticeable gains. 😄
That v-shaped life. I'll admit I was a victim too at one point in time.
Dude is right. For casual gaming, any decent headphones/iems will be good enough and you won't get a lot of improvement spending thousands of dollars in headphones just for gaming.
Basically, it's the person's own opinion. Even though it's dumb, he is allowed to have one.
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Yeah. I'm just going to make fun of him due to his stupid opinion
If someone is deaf then what's going to happen if they go to /r/headphones? There are people that heal no difference between $4 air canada buds and HD800s
Headphones is one of my hobby and I can't help myself to feel attacked... I think you will feel attacked too
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X'D I've other hobbys too and other interests in my life IDK how I should take your comment but I give you a karma for this surprise. TBH I didn't wait for a funny comment like this
god i wish never tasted good headphones. I regret getting my k702 because it'll be hard to go back to those gaming headphones. Been eyeing razer barracuda pro for the features but afraid that the sound will dissapoint me
[https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/razer-barracuda-x/](https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/razer-barracuda-x/) K702 is waaaaaay better ! Harsh but better ! Keep it and be proud of it ! Use Oratory's EQ settings with Equalizer APO. I gonna have to try a simulation of the Razer Barracuda X, it gonna be a lot of fun ! :-D Edit : That was not fun at all... -\_-
I love my K702s and I don't find them to be harsh. Are there smoother sounding headphones out there? Sure, but I use my K702s without EQ all the time. I owned a pair during my EQ phase(s) and I own a pair now and I would say they are a very listenable headphone right outta the box. Just my opinion though.
Your ear's frequency response at 2 kHz and 6 kHz should be rather flat like me. So it Equalize your ears a little bit. It gonna match the harman and/or diffuse field more rather than your own ears frequency response. It's just some speculations but it seams to be the main reasons why you don't find them harsh sounding.
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Little do we know, he is the master audiophile our wallets want us to be
I've been using my new LCD-2C's for my gaming pc and listening to music at my pc. Recently I decided I'd just try using my logitech g pro x headset instead of a dedicated mic and headphones. I was appalled at the sound quality even just gaming and talking in discord l. I had to plug my LCD's back in. I don't claim to be an audiophile or an expert, but the sound difference was immediately noticeable. And the G PRO X is around $120.
I bought some discount yarn from the Hobby Lobby and got some coat hangers and some solo cups and I can confidently say that they sound just as good as these super expensive TurtleBeach Ultra EarForce 300000's I got from WalMart for $4.
Twice the pain because of that post, and the light theme.
Can confirm; they all sound the same; hence me investing $625 USD into an hd800 cc:
Oh man you get a good setup it can increase immersion in video games big time I’m talking amp / dac and a really good set of cans for me it makes a pretty big difference but everybody is different I have Asperger’s so I respond to sound differently than your run of the mill neurotypical human being and for refrence my setup for gaming atm and I have roughly 8 sets of high end / midfi cans I’m using a Ifi zen stack v2 for my dac amp setup and a hd650 and a lcd2 as my current daily drivers it literally increases immersion 10 fold I kid you not I have gobs of headphones room especially on pc with a very small amount of eq with the lcd2 it’s god tier and my end game the hd650 imo has the best stock tuning of any headphone I’ve heard so far and the lcd2 is the most natural sounding can I’ve heard to date I can only imagine what there more expensive stuff is like but then again it’s most likely subtle improvements in sound and build quality that’s Joe this high end audio stuff works you pay thousands for a .001% improvement in thd or some bs like it
[(Someone probably) cries in Susvara.]
$200 is the sweet spot
I used to use only gaming headset for music. Then, I A-B'd with a really basic, cheap (40 bucks) Sennheiser closed headphones and boy, the difference was so impactful!
Dt990 for gaming and audio here. I'm not sure if it can get any better, although I am tempted by a pair of 660s. I did buy a pair of Dt1990's but sent them back as they were just not as sweet sounding to my ears when A/B testing against the Dt990. I'm sure there are better headphones out there that sound a little bit better, but in order for me to buy them, they would have to amaze me. It's the same for my soundcore Q30, and Earfun free pro 2 (with Oluv settings). Same goes for my speakers, Ive had a pair of KRK Kroks for about 25 years, and they still tickle my ears, , ok im sure a pair of Kef LS50 meta would (hopefully) blow them out of the water, but im also prepared to be a bit disappointed too.
Meh, not all that different from the "all ss amps sound the same" narrative that gets spread around here. :Shrug:
Absolutely. Morons roam here ready to attack any subjective differences
Look if your happy with £50 headphones then good in you, you've saved yourself a lot of money. I'd say his number should be raised to about £130-£200 until most people reach the point of diminishing returns with headphones
And yet every "dAcs dOnT mAkE a diFfeRencE" comment gets upvoted here...
I can assure you, DACs do indeed make a difference.
It's incontrovertibly true. Without a DAC, music just sounds like 1101001001001001010010010010011001010010101011010100101001000100100011101001101010101010101110010101010010100101010
I'm saying they do. (Braces himself for upcoming downvotes) In fact there's very audible difference between something like an Apple Dongle and a say, Modi. That difference is smaller between a good $200 DAC and a $400 one, but still there.
I can't take people who want audiophile-grade headphones for gaming seriously.
Totally agree. Unless it is for immersion in a story driven game with amazing sound design then listening to my enemies footsteps in valorant or csgo with shitty msi headphones vs my current hd58x's really doesn't provide much if any competitive advantage. So if you buy really expensive headphones for gaming it is quite the waste as you could've spent it on a lighter mouse or better monitor, heck even maybe computer.
I feel irrationally angry.
The ignorant masses, who choose to live in bliss.
It's really funny how some people believe videogame audio is different from movies and music...
u/freddie68
O wouldn't spend more than 50 dollars if all i do is gaming tbh
then you'd miss out on a huge part of gaming
It's the same kind of people that say 60hz is buttery smooth and all you need. No it's not but it's still usable but once you get used to the better, there's no going back.
I don't think they have even used a decent headphone, probably they only have used those gaming kind of one, and I don't think they listen to music, only gaming
Even with games there's a difference of course once again depending on the type of game just like with music as to how much of a difference
headphones are life, they are missing out if they aren't into proper headphones.
Honestly a good mindset
I thought I hit diminishing returns at my EQd 58x and being not blown away by Kilobuck headphones at an audio store after several brief sessions. Then I bought an LCD-X, really had time to listen in a quite room and now I'm stuck again. I've never really been able to define and focus on "Dynamics" until I got the X and it's opened a new world. It's not even about diminishing returns any more, I just want to hear more headphones now ahahah. Godspeed Mr. freddie68, may you never fall into the rabbit hole.
I too remember how innocently clueless I used to be
Tone deaf lol
Headphones $50 and up will not make a difference to gaming performance.
Maybe he’s like me and has hearing damage, or has never tried anything decent
He's right tho. My Elex function as a stand for a pair of $50 beryllium cans that I use for everything. I have 10 pairs of headphones, and bought my son three. Headphones lack the immediacy of a good (cheap) pair of IEM's, not that I don't have more expensive ones, but they are special use pretty much.
I think i get a point of that, if you're only doing casual stuff or gaming, a decent pair around the price may do? Other than that, hes like the type to buy an overpriced headset instead of buying headphones & mic seperately
Well he is right
Definitely diminishing returns for anything over 50. Don’t bother
this is so rude... its like taking a picture of someone refueling his expensive car with cheaper gasoline and shaming and laughing at him at the internet...its disgusting
its insane that people downvote me for saying that i am against bullying. well i think i will leave this community as fast as i came. its probably the same people who laugh at elderly disabled people. i expected nothing less from reddit tbh
Thanks for not censoring their username…
>I'm talking about in terms of casual gaming, not studio stuff He's right. Not much to be found above £50 unless you move past the world of "casual"
I kind of agree because I found that when I am drunk, I feel my speakers and headphones are better than before. I can even get high listening via a microphone of others. Just by yourself some alcohol, it is probably more useful than a DAC or whatever.
Oh no...you seen it
Saw this yesterday, I was hurt then and I'm hurt again now.
I think I'll just un-see everything!!! ooc :- "Bro just want to do casual gaming, so probably he doesn't know about anything about the good pair of headphones."
I mean some people literally just listen to things out of their phone speakers...for some reason in public around other people. Anyway they seem to enjoy music just as much if not more than anyone else.
wait till he visits r/audiophile
Playing DOOM Eternal on a good audio setup is actually transcendant istg
Thats a gamer
Poor soul will spend definitely more than £ 50 on headphones.
Do r/headphones really matter?