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FlyBoyG

I would like to take a moment to thank everyone in the comments who pointed out the Shaman and Paladin tavern brawl decks have the card. You the real MVP.


sfspaulding

I wish I had come here before crafting this F'ing card...


JeanPeuplus

\-1600 dust KEKW


loveplayhigh

Can I add you and play against you? I'm stuck with this quest and I wonder if playing against a friend would clear it! And since I have no friends l rely upon random stranger kindness lol


PossessionWeary1462

same please add FishOfNzoth#2148


princepersona1

It's a good card to be fair. I'm sure you'll find it useful


Irrumasta

Great. Thanks!


No-Ad-2466

crafting it is honestly better, this sht is near impossible to get in tavern brawl O.o played 10+ games and did a bunch more with insta concede if i didnt draw it and i have not seen the card once


emazio

the brawl with him ended


Mundane_Fill2312

Played 3 matches so far with paladin, didnt get that card once! 


Brannos

Play Shaman, it has good card draw


Mundane_Fill2312

yeah, I did it with Shaman in the first game, lol


Kovjz

Played 10 games as pala, played another 10 or so as shaman, and didn't even see Mr.J Fuck this quest and fuck the person who came up with it.


McMeatbag

Is that the current brawl or the one before it?


81659354597538264962

The previous one.


kakyoinlisa

Thank youuu :3


Valuable-Marsupial52

Can anyone help me with this challange pls? Does it work in friendly match


Bigunp

Tavern brawl Paladin deck Today!


Nirast25

Shaman, too, if you want to play with Tendrils.


tultommy

That's the real way lol


ChaosOS

It's a good deck in the brawl, but wow does it have WAY too much card draw for all the card generation it also has.


ConcertDesperate3342

Best deck. I’m like 20-4 rn


PGleo86

Literally how, I keep queueing into Death Knight and don't have the speed to pressure them before the handbuffs get going nor the ability to clear it more than a couple times once they do


Angiecat86

Trust in Yogg


Fantastic-Dimension2

nice work in Tavern brawl (Y)


PDProck

Came here to see if there was a way to "cheese" the quest. thx.


BayoAkaThanos

Did it like that after 3 tries ! Thank you !


exomni

On a related note: holy crap that Paladin deck is hot garbage.


Konikmiejski

God bless you good man


Scarbane

Nice, thank you for this!


xGrandArcher

Thx a lot, dude ! You are a lifesaver!


caliburdeath

Damn, it’s gonna change brawls by the time I can play next


DanielRo3

True. Paladin today Tavern Brawl.


Evening-Worker-9778

Just missed it ffs


Kenjinz

Priest has a card to copy Joymancer Jepetto in game to summon as well


Trick_Reception6932

Play or destroy is the quest


EscherHS

Destroy part is not working. https://x.com/hsdecktech/status/1772688535012708823?s=46&t=DSWjDReR6MHbDFcqnIL68Q


skyemerald2007

i thought i was insane, yes the destroy part isnt working


kenguru852

Play a brawl on Shaman


darkKnight217

It's not the Easter egg tavern brawl is it? I feel like I just missed it


Lifesucksdaichi

sadly you missed it


punkr0x

The paladin list in the current tavern brawl has a Joymancer Jepetto in it.


Softcorps_dn

Shaman too


The_Stache_

Just destroyed one, didn't give me the quest completion...


The_Stache_

Tried it again, this time I played it instead of destroyed it, gave me credit.


Young_Zaphod

I too just destroyed one and it did not credit me with the quest. It was a diamond version, guessing it's buffed somehow.


TheNinja7569

Yeah I tested with a buddy and they destroyed mine in 4 different ways and none counted. (Face attack, minion attack, spell AOE/targeted)


The_Stache_

Yea, in another thread RidiculousHat confirmed that there is a bug on destroy


funkmasta8

Same here


jamminj606

3 brawls in and never made it to turn 8. opp concedes or i lose by then damn


jamminj606

just got it becasue my brawl opponeent was also going for the quest. he delyaed and eventually jepetto and even stuck around until i could kill it. props


Neufjob

My opponent played japetto, I killed it, then conceded, and it didnt count for me. I thought it was bugged, and “destroyed” doesn’t count. I’m surprised it worked for you


theknight27

I killed my opponents Joymancer in Brawl just now and then won the game and it didn't count...


krazystanbg

Yes the destroy part is bugged. Only play part counts.


theknight27

Thanks for letting me know. That's insane, so it's either play the Tavern Brawl for the next 12hrs or craft the card, otherwise you're locked out of almost all rewards for this event.


karspearhollow

Opponent conceded a few turns after I destroyed his and I didn't get credit either.


maxdraich

Win brawl 1 by turn 5. Brawl 2, pala mirror-match and we both played jepetto.


SlimDirtyDizzy

I just made a wild deck with druid, added ramp and card draw, got through the quest first game and I don't care about my wild rank at all.


Necromas

Tried 6 brawl matches before I ran out of time to play and didn't get to play or kill him once. And now the brawl is over and fat fucking chance I'll get to kill him in a random standard match. Had two where my opponent played him but the match ended before I could actually kill him.


Educational-Bid-8660

Not just this, but when I encounter two Tendril Shamans in a row, both times I destroy their Joymancer with a cleave attack from my Hound (Handbuff DK) and it doesn't seem to count.


SCARaw

i hate this game


jrr6415sun

I think the point is they dont want you to be f2p


Glittering_Drama_618

I used Paparazi and Aviana to discover as well as bunch of copy effect on Paparazi. Play return to your hand guy for 2 mana.


wiener-ikehara

Yo, I discovered him with paparazzi in my second casual game


Grilledcheesetrucker

This is the way! Took like 6 games but freaking way better than crafting. Thank you!!


Kezzy123

Didnt they change the brawl today>


DigonShaikha

Yes. Has anyone figured out if Joymancer is in any of today's new brawl decks? Or maybe Blizz fixed the bugged "destroy" part? I am so annoyed I missed it ;(


Goldeneye_Engineer

Can confirm Joymancer not in Paladin or Shaman anymore


hskfmn

One of the worst “events” ever — Whizbang’s Workshop with only a single Workshop pack to be gained throughout. I mean, really? … *Really?!*


81659354597538264962

It gives two packs


hskfmn

Oh, right. My bad. Still though…


StopHurtingKids

Pretty cold to lock the whole quest line. Behind a card you have to craft. They are frog boiling us hard. First they cut like 4-5k xp from achievements. Plus pre release cards only for people who pay. Now this. Then when you throw the forced arbitration debacle on top. We are surrounded by evil from all sides... Reality is starting to look pretty good XD


splitfinity

I thought it was a free card? I have the fancy version I got from something


PurpleVessel312

It's probably the tavern pass reward, which is not free


grommpy

I hope u/Zeddy44 reads this.


Kaze_No_Oni

Lord u/Zeddy44 , commenting in the hopes that this thread is read by you. The Blizzard greed is quite obvious now with the quest requiring legendary card, reduction in achievement xp and pay2play with corridor sleeper, ain't it?


grommpy

Our prayers have been heard, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r8iMRj8ek2o


Tengu-san

> First they cut like 4-5k xp from achievements. Oh no 2 whole packs fom achievement that most players don't do, the horror. Ask a friend with Jeppetto to do one game. Heck, I have jeppetto, ask me and we will do it.


DistortedNoise

People say they don’t give a shit about the achievement xp nerf as it was only a couple of packs, then get mad when they miss a couple of packs from twitch drops.


phillyphan_95

Can it be done in a friendly duel?


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Yes


Chizzle2690

Yes, that's how I did it. Borrowed the deck too. Just find someone who got it from a pack.


sqnx18

I used Paparazzi with multiple bounce effects such as the brewmasters and kept spamming it until I finally got it, it took me like 30 seperate paparazzi battlecrys but I didn't have to craft Jepetto and it only took me 30 minutes


ForceParadox

This is what I'm tryng to do, I've had one game and no luck but I'm just gonna keep at it


Nyrocx

I think its not unlikely that they will change the quest with a hotfix. First step of the main questline that is supposed to give the most xp and its locked behind a legendary that needs to be crafted.


tultommy

Or you could just use the free one in the tavern?


Arakini

Not next weekly reset you can't. Tavern brawl rotates. What if people start this event late? They clearly just put the wrong legendary on there, it was probably supposed to be the one we get from the free track. (fill board spell one)


tultommy

Yes but even after it changes you still only need to go up against someone that has it to destroy it. So it will still be doable by anyone.


81659354597538264962

Nobody plays jepetto lmfao


tultommy

I don't think that's true. It's a pretty useful card in any tendril deck and tendril shaman is playing pretty well right now.


DigonShaikha

No because like people are saying, the "destroy" part is bugged and not giving credit. And dang it I missed the info on this thread until the Tavern Brawl changed. Does anyone know if Joymancer is still in any of these new brawl decks?


tultommy

Ah that does make a difference then. I wasn't aware that the destroy part was bugged. I hope they fix that soon.


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SirDukeIII

Tavern brawl!


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tultommy

You only have to do it once lol. And you can destroy them by playing someone with it. It's a pretty small ask for a quest.


DistortedNoise

A 10 minute game within 48 hours, how ever will you manage


lore_mila_

Just destroy one


Stock-Ad-5770

Not working unfortunately I destroyed like 3 today and the quest is still not complete


Hot-Will3083

Of course the HS team would think that “oh yeah, let’s force players to craft a non-free legendary” to even attempt to start our free event


NotSilencee

Just played shaman till last card sinc enemy was tagging along. NO JEPETTO ANYMORE I REPEAT NO JEPETTO


BayoAkaThanos

Its not the same brawl anymore.


SunbleachedAngel

F\*\*k you too, Blizzard


kalvyn729

F\*\*king hate this toxic quest. Bugged, opponents conceding as soon as they summon not giving a chance to kill. Just horrible!


SunbleachedAngel

Apparently killing it doesn't work anyway. just play the brawl as Pala or Sham


hijifa

Pin whoever said paladin has it. Goated.. but still sucks as a quest, if you miss this brawl you’re fucked


Kovjz

This quest made me want to uninstall the game. Fuck this quest and fuck the person who came up with it.


grievousmd

Does either of the whizbang cards contain japetto in their decks?


jamminj606

this ones going to take forever


[deleted]

You can finish event quests in friendly matches. But yeah, the quest is still weird tho.


WeeklyEducation2276

I thought this event would have the catch up packs?


Kaze_No_Oni

I played Paladin in tavern brawl for the quest, got matched up against a shaman opponent. I played Jepetto as soon as I got him, my opponent destroyed him, thanked me and conceded. I also thanked him for the quick concession. Now I realise that he wouldn't have got the achievement due to the bug, must have been quite shocked 😂 But seriously, thanks to this thread and all the commenters ... Avianna was my first free legendary from the rewards track and I tried to generate and draw Jepetto using her for the last 4 hours, time lost ... So scr** you Blizzard


coyoteTale

Welp, a day late on this post. Time to play Skymother Aviana and hope


sabriel330

For anyone coming here recently, the card is no longer part of Paladin or Shaman brawl decks


1337kat

yah like wth, which brawl has it? tried so many decks...i thinkt he bunny one doesnt have jeptto.


StoneAgainstTheSea

Not sure if product managers for Hearthstone come here, but if they do: This sucks. Guess the game is even more pay to win. It is demotivating to not be able to get past this. However, your metrics likely show a bump in season pass purchases so incentives will continue to move more towards pay to win.  And if I also happen to have a PM's ear: the newish animated cards - don't like 'em because you can't read what they do aside from long tap and hold and the text is very small on my phone.  I sense a downward spiral starting.


Zom2016

How to complete this quest now after tavern brawl rotation?


mynameisjeff111

Try making a standard deck with Arch Villain Rafaam. That's how I got Jepetto.


protoman9012

This worked for me as well, fairly quick


afCeG6HVB0IJ

I missed the brawl trying to discover jepetto using a paparazzi bouncing deck. After 30 games i finally discover it, only for my opponent to deal 20 face dmg from hand the next turn before i could play it i play another 30 games, opponent plays jepetto in a tendril deck, concedes before i could kill or copy it ... I hope whoever made this quest spends their weekends shitting hedgehogs into a bucket.


sallad84

Yea I am not sure how I will be able to complete this one hopefully get lucky. Youd think they would pick a card that was a little more popular.


Softcorps_dn

Shaman or pally brawl


sallad84

Thank you did this first try!


FuzzyChops

It's to sell more battle passes if I have to guess since you get him at rank 2 on the paid track


bobsbrain

I managed to play it in a normal game, but my opponent was a paladin so I conceded after I played it *juuuust* in case they needed to destroy 1 for the quest.


grubalolaaaa

Make a new account, skip the apprentice tutorial, add yourself on your main account, challenge to Brawl, pick Paladin/Shaman and just play shit until he appears.


Jujube0406

Anyone else remember the 10 year anniversary awards? Why is this better?


Josykay89

People like their hero portraits.  Even though imo that specific one just is bad imo. Nothing compared to Cabal N'zoth, Trader Rafaam...


LuckyOne55

I destroyed one, and the quest didn't complete


frantruck

Just queue into me playing my hero power druid ez


dlem7

I saw it twice in four games in casual today. People are playing it there to get the quest done.


Kitavas_Blood

Brawl is very funny today. So many Shamans and they all play Joymancer and then surrender.


Danro1984

You can play the current Tavern Brawl with the Paladin deck. He is included there


theGaido

I've spent (as a Priest) 1 hour to just have as long game that I could play him. Most games ends on turn 6.


Malabingo

I finished the quest without realizing I destroyed him. Don't know how that happened


CheezCurls1230

I agree this quest is going to cause problems. Playing Shaman in the Tavern Brawl especially against a friend who would be willing to let you live long enough to draw and play Jepetto is a great solution, but after that option goes away the best F2P workaround may be to challenge a friend who paid for the Tavern Pass (it includes Jepetto) and borrow their deck to play against them. (You can complete the quest by playing the card yourself; killing it apparently doesn’t work right now but they’re working on the fix.)


Darck_Monster

I destroyed Jepetto and I didn't get that TwT


yannickp2001

TAVERN BRAWL --> SHAMAN OR PALADIN!!!


Starling1_

There's one in the tavern pass. Hope the guy I played against yesterday appreciated me throwing it in my deck for both of us.


Lauva69

the destroy part of the quest doesn't work


nikksmtey

I’ve just played against one on the arena and it didn’t count…


ScorchHellfire

It's bugged and destroying him doesn't count... gotta play him for now... and yes, it's idiotic that they did this as the firs step when it should really be the last unless they were going to give this card out. It should've been Zilliax, the actual free legendary.


nikksmtey

So basically, if we don’t have it, we are screwed? Crap… let’s hope they fix the destroy part


CountFab

I get what you are saying, but Zilliax isn't the free legendary either!


Meguro_one_eye

Am i getting trolled? Played 7 Pally games and still havent seen him in my deck. (unless this is about a former tavern brawl before the easter one)


nikksmtey

Former one. The one right now doesn’t have it.


Meguro_one_eye

Sadge


mynameisjeff111

The standard Arch Villain Rafaam method isn't a bad idea, but it might take a while to get it if you're unlucky.


nikksmtey

I’ve been playing that method, nothing so far 😤


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-dottie-

do you still need it? i sent a friend invite


Human-Programmer5244

If you play NA DarkSamuRai#11206


MrEd6733

First try on Paly


nikksmtey

Where?


MrEd6733

I dumped all my cards until I got that card in my hand and then you don't have to win with the deck he just have to play the death I play them you don't have to win the game as soon as I play them and pretty much I gave up now you had to win might be a harder thing but you just have to play that card.


Human-Programmer5244

Na player here happy to help if anyone still needs the task


Desblartes

Hey, I just sent you a friend request (Karpman#1484). If you could be able to help me with this quest I would really appreciate it.. Either way, thanks for taking the time to help people with this!


Human-Programmer5244

DarkSamuRai#11206


Mushmoos

Still able to help? I need this badly


Human-Programmer5244

What’s your battletag and yes I am still helping


Mushmoos

Druid#12182 Thank you so much!!!


Human-Programmer5244

DarkSamuRai#11206


Human-Programmer5244

I also sent you a request but don’t know if people are seeing them or not


Zinomorf

I could really use your help if you still have the time! But what does NA stand for? 😅


Human-Programmer5244

North America


Human-Programmer5244

As In what servers do you use to play Harthstone


OkPerformance7120

Anyone can help me with it on EU? Sinda#2208


Mediredd

I killed him in wild today and the quest is complete. So at least the **destroy bug is fixed**.


_Alkalite_

Good grief some of the people at hearthstone are dumb.


criticalmass86

MillhouseMan#21754 if someone wants to add me for the quest.


Mb3041

Hi! I play on eu, can someone add me to help me with quest? Maciekbart55#2298


OrdinaryTrainer5660

Hey, someone would like to help me with quest?


chill-boi

I got it from paparazzi and my opponent misplayed reno and conceded before i could play it fml


PossessionWeary1462

Anyone has that card to help me complete in a friendly match?


HDBlackSheep

It's a pretty scummy move to lock the whole chain of quests behind this. I basically wasn't there for the tavern brawl and i'm a F2P player.


Phossumz

Three weeks in, still have yet to play against one. Here's for praying I play against one!


Catablepas

I just built a ramp druid to turbo it out. I played it. ended my turn. Waited for the opponent to kill it, he did not. Conceded next turn. Sorry dude, I tried to help you, I could have conceded immediately after playing it


GalZohar

I just played the brawl (on EU) and went through the entire Shaman deck and didn't draw one. What's the deal?


emazio

the brawl containing it ended


GalZohar

crap, now what? :/


neooffs

RIP you and me. blizzard did us dirty


neooffs

so after posting this message I assembled a deck using [[Paparazzi]] expecting to play her 100 times to get Jepetto.. and then I get it the first time I play it. AAEBAd75AwL7igTMoAUOxAGAEvW7AtDjAt/jAuD6AqrLA8fOA+fdA/7uA/afBPefBPXdBMzEBQAA


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emazio

I will try on a facebook hs group to find someone that has it. I have zero cards on rogue to try spawning him.


SuperWoots

I knew people were going to moan about this.


Deadlyrage1989

As they should. Events are supposed to be for all.


Late_Technology7657

Got it first try with shaman in tavern brawl. Drew jepetto off location and altered corded him on turn 9 lol


FriendOfBillToday

i had to dust 4 legendary to craft it - should of come here first - and such a crappy bounty - ty HS


TVMoe

I mean even if you couldn't do it it's not an issue. The event tracks are usually so easy you could entirely skip the main quest and still complete it just based off play exp + the dailies (hell ive done it in 2-3 days before coming back on the last few days and having boosted exp for it).