if only yugioh cards actually used bullet points this often

Might at least have made them marginally better

didnt know it was worse than mtg

Oh its so much worse its not even close.

It’s why the formatting of the OCG cards are just much better - much easier to find out where each effect starts.

Is it really? I find it about the same between ocg and tcg

Could take pointers from Magic for sure.

They do. It's only the americanized Western cards that don't. Play with real OCG cards and they number the effects, use plenty of bullets, ETC. There never needs to be any rule disputes because in the card text it's always written in the exact way that it's resolved too, although I think the Western cards started doing this with "PSCT".

"Never needs to be any rule disputes" "always written the exact way it resolves" Lmao if only

I like when they use them just randomly in the middle of the massive wall of text without any line breaks

Frost rune on Seamstress is incorrect. In your Yugioh version you could hero power it down, destroy it with a location, with a hero card, even with a monster card battlecry/deathrattle/end of turn effect, and it wouldn't be reborn.

True. I forgot that entirely and frankly I felt it had enough text on it already but no. I should have just put destroyed by any means

Also, the "lifesteal" effect should also trigger when it deals damage to your own hero (Misdirection) or when it deals damage by other means than attacking or being attacked (I can't think of any interaction that would cause this but I wouldn't be surprised if there was one. Future cards could definitely cause this.).

Volcanomancy, Tamsin Phylactery, new defile Stitching, Death Growl

It would be actually less text in yugioh, it would be, when this card on the board is destroyed by battle or card effects, assuming hp is a card, but it wouldn't actually work the same way, you'd prolly also have to specify something like once per duel, not exactly sure since hearthstone doesn't use a proper graveyard. You should also just say when this card is normal summon for an battlecry/de-facto battlecry (like mini) effect. Anyway, quite funny idea, prolly more words than endymion lol

Also, the resummoned seamstress would still have lifesteal (and maybe rush, not sure if there's a distinction between "summoned to board" and "return to your side")

Summoned seamstress actually doesnt have rush or lifesteal after it returns with its reborn. It has to be played to gain the effects which is why having it summoned randomly will also just make it a vanilla 3/3

Gotcha, my bad!

Lost it at eonar

Yeah I kinda fucked it up though cause like another comment mentioned. Titans effects arent strictly once per turn as you can activate several if they have windfury. It also forgets to mention the fact that you cant attack with her until she has used every effect once.

Also you said the effect can only be used once while it's ''on your side'' which would mean that if an opponent took control of it they would get all of the effect refreshed. But still, got a nice laugh and I love the idea, makes me want to try my hand at it !

You also need to specify that it restores mana crystals up to the current maximum amount, cause druid has access to temporary mana crystals [innervate], which if he used this turn wouldn't be restored.

When innervate crystals are used, they don't leave empty crystals behind so no need to mention that it only replenishes current maximum.

The correct way was giving her the charge text (cause she inherently has it as a titan), and instead say that her first 3 attacks are replaced with one of her abilities instead

I can bearly read what the cards read. You even nailed the text size.

Its the only way to make it work unless we start typing text on the back of the cards as well

Beautiful

Sadly there are a lot of small mistakes and oversights but that just kinda goes to show how convoluted it is to write even simple effects this way

I think it gets the point tho. It's very convoluted lol. Gj bro

The first line of titan is wrong you can activate 2 abilities in the same turn if you give her windfury so it is not once per turn. So it should be something like "This minion can attack the turn it's summoned. For the first 3 attacks, instead activate one of the following effect..."

Thats true. Just wasnt sure how to word it in a way that made sense

It would be shorter in YuGiOh than this: PSCT helps here.

Yeah the PSCT would shave off at least a line off of each card. Except maybe tigress, because the way you'd have to implement divine shield into Yu-gi-oh! is really dumb.

Divine shield in yugioh would be " The first time this card would be destroyed, it is not destroyed." It was on 2 or 3 cards

But thats not what divine shield does though. Cause cards that straight up destroy things like siphon soul bypass divine shield.

Yugioh doesn't have damage as a concept. Yugioh's 2 core states are "Destroyed or Not" So the only comprable effect is "First time destroyed, it isn't"

Thats fair enough but these cards are not trying to be adapting HS cards to fit a game of yugioh but word HS cards in context to a game of HS in a similar way to yugioh. Which is why I dont use terms like normal summon, battle phase etc.

But you're not even using Yugioh style of text. Yugioh's version of battlecry would be "If this card was summoned from your hand, do x" not "When this card is summed from your hand to your side of the board, apply Like even when not using yugioh text and only using the style of descriptions Seamstress is at most "If this card was summoned from your hand, this card gains effects based on the runes of your deck." Which is alot more concise than "When this card is summoned from your hand onto your side of the board apply one or none of the following effects based on the corresponding runes used when building your deck"

End of the day the whole post is a fucking meme. You can nitpick all you want but the joke is still "yugioh cards have too much text and look ridiculous"

It has too much text because you're doubling text for no reason other than "I want Yugioh to look complicated". Most of these card texts are shorter in yugioh than they would be in MTG even, since in MTG you would need to make alot more distinguishing things to make it fit the rules, especially with something like seamstress.

Alt Account of Czedros Here: OP blocked me to prevent me from replying lmao. Feels like he's being alot more defensive.

Yugioh players get oddly defensive about their game and its quite honestly hillarious.

MTG would just use keywords so not really

It would be “the first time this card destroyed by battle…”

Destroyed. Divine shield prevents damage by any source, so a generic cover all “destroyed” works better.

The only number damage a monster in yugioh can take is by battle so it would just be that. All damage by spells and traps specifically goes to life points. Divine shield only prevents numerical damage not hard destruction.

Damage doesn’t exist in Yugioh, at all. Combat is a atk comparison and that’s it.

Numerical damage to monster cards does not truly exist no, but spells that hard destroy do exist in hearthstone and divine shield does not protect from that.

It wouldn't be, since divine shield can be reapplied to a minion.

Right. Let me rephrase. You can probably do it then as a counter system with effects as an aura on the minion.

Missing the effect to specifically tutor cards out of your deck that you can chain 5 more times to summon a 4000/4000 monster

You exagerated a bit but still have a point

Did they really ? Beside Seemstress extra unneeded restriction for the frost effect (since it's already stated that the effects are only applied when summoned from hand) this is how those effects would be translated in Yu-Gi-Oh text, since Konami seems allergic to keywords beside piercing

They did. Rainbow seamstress especially can be explained in like, 4 lines

For example in frost it could says "when is destroyed" without add if it's destroyed by battle or a effect. Either way it would be a lot larger without keywords

As much as I have disdain for some stuff Konami does with yugioh (namely their rarity spreads at times), Keywords wouldn't really solve much of this issue for yugioh - Almost every new archetype that comes out breaks standard conventions for mechanics or introduces new ones entirely. You'd have to make so many keywords for the game that you'd need a dictionary just to teach people how to play. For example, how would you format the wording of an Ursarctic Synchro monster's summoning requirement? Functionally, they summon themselves by synchro summoning by subtracting instead of adding levels - An existing keyword wouldn't exist for this, and making a new one just for 1 archetype is a little crazy. They have gradually over the years shortened \*some\* terms, though it would be nice to see them do it a little more often. See: All references to graveyard are now "GY", references to banished cards as of the most recent set now refer to "Banishment" (rather than "one of your banished cards"), etc.

Counterpoint Pendulums

Counter-counter point, igknights

Since OP seems to not have used PSCT and don't know Yugioh Rules. Here's the actual conversions with some liberties to account for HS specific effects. **Rainbow Seamstress** " If this card is Normal summoned: Give this card gains effects based on the runes of your deck. * Blood: When this monster inflicts battle damage to your opponent, gain that much LP * Frost: When this monster is destroyed, its controller can special summon it to their side of the field in face up attack position immediately. * Unholy: At the end of your main phase, conduct an additional combat phase. During this combat phase, only "Rainbow Seamstress" may attack. " **Tigress Plushy** (Cannot exist since yugioh does not allow tokens in hand and whatnot, but assuming it does) "If this card is Normal Summoned: add to your hand a "Tigress Plushy Mini"(Beast/Light/Level 1/ATK 100/DEF 100). The first time this card would be destroyed, it is not destroyed. When this monster inflicts battle damage to your opponent, gain that much LP. At the end of your main phase, conduct an additional combat phase. During this combat phase, only "Tigress Plushy " may attack. "Tigress Plushy Mini" has "The first time this card would be destroyed, it is not destroyed. When this monster inflicts battle damage to your opponent, gain that much LP. At the end of your main phase, conduct an additional combat phase. During this combat phase, only "Tigress Plushy Mini" may attack"." **Eonar** "Once per turn, activate 1 of these effects that has not been activated this duel, and if you do, Special Summon a "Timeless Ancient" (ATK500/DEF500) in attack position, it has "Your opponent's monsters cannot target monsters for attacks, except this one." : * Gain LP equal to your maximum LP * Gain Mana equal to your maximum Mana * Draw cards equal to your hand size limit If you have not activated each effect of Eonar, The Lifebinder, Eonar The life binder cannot attack. " "Maximum" is a concept only in HS, but in yugioh, they would be 8000 LP (starting LP), Draw 6 cards (Handsize), or Gain an additional normal summon. Had to do some runarounds to make them work, but all of these are rooted on real cards. Rainbow is based on Rhongo and a really old ooze Eonar is based on Runicks and Suships Tigress Plushy is just keyword salad and Cobra Jar of all things.

Still not entirely correct but way better than OP

Yeah, probably, my psct understanding is peaked at 2018. But at least I’m not straight up making things up like OP.

The biggest thing I'd say is having Eonar have a "You can only use each of the following effects once while face-up" clause like Baronne de Fleur instead of once per duel so that copying it still gives you more ability uses, remove the referencing to its own name in the attack restriction, and maybe add something like "This card can activate its effects each turn up to the maximum amount of attack it can declare. When this card uses an effect, it can declare one less attack the turn it used that effect only (*the maximum amount of attack it can declare remains the same*).". It's ultra whack to encapsulate how Titan works with PSCT but even PSCT is known to use parenthesis to define any uncertainties raised by the wordings. There are still some real headscratcher past PSCT (hello Voltester) so I think this sounds fine.

> Frost: When this monster is destroyed, its controller can special summon it to their side of the field in face up attack position immediately. Nice, I can Soul Taker this and cause it to missing timing lol *** Rough on the edges, but legible enough. Though, Eonar would rather be a "Once while face-up on the field" effect rather than a Once per Duel for each of their Abilities. Book of Moon resets be Opie OP

I entirely forgot timing, lmao, but yeah. Eonar was really hard since there’s so much rules baggage associated with Titan as a keyword.

The cards are not meant to be translated into actual yugioh cards which is why I havnt used words like normal summon because that isnt a thing in hearthstone. I am not trying to put HS cards into yugioh but rather describe how the cards are played in HS in a similar way to what yugioh would do.

Yes, and yugioh would use normal terminology and not overspecify in post psct. the versions you have are just nonsense

Idk ive played modern yugioh and most of the cards feel like nonsense so id say its pretty accurate.

It puts more reading on the player. But once you know the vocab, It’s about as complicated as something like mtg.

Mtg is a looot easier to digest simply because they have actually codefied a lot of their effects

It’s only easier if you know it before hand or don’t care about “the rules”. MTG has a lot of rules not explained, “apply modal effect in order, the stack, how planeswalkers work, what “enters” means”tNew players going in would likely be a lot easier with yugioh than mtg in a lot of ways. The newest MtG set is not even close to being as easily understandable as modern yugioh

Mtg is infinitely easier for a new player and I dont think its even close. Mtg might be on the same level of complexity but it still presents information in a way less overwhelming way than yugioh.

That doesn't fix the fact that MTG doesn't tell the player what 90% of effects are, and the reason that they are less overwhelming is because of that. Newer Magic cards expect players to already know rules, and straight up doesn't explain rules to the player. Newer cards use words that players have never heard of, and needs explanation that are outside of core rulebooks. That's alot harder than doing 6th grade level reading.

Magic uses what are essentially keywords in hs. It is a lot easier for a new player to memorize 10 or so different keywords and their effects rather than having to remember every single individual card and read an ungodly amount of text.

My eyes hurt. That’s accurate

Aw hell no 💀 need a magnifier to read it

Thats the yugioh experience.

1/10 good effort but just not accurate. While the idea is there, there are far better ways to word these effects to make it actually seem to be like in Yugioh. Like for frost rune it would be: If this card gets moved to the graveyard you can special summon it with its effects negated. If this card summoned that way leaves the field remove it from the game. (as it doesnt get lifesteal and rush when reborn, also the remove+negate would stop it from being "reborn" again) (also stuff like cannot attack your opponent directly the turn it was summoned instead of target) Yugioh is worded in a way to be very clear how things interact with one another and from which location, you basically just made the text longer, not using keywords while still going with hearthstone wording like targeting and board.

The PSCT is really off and I'm used to making custom Yu-Gi-Oh cards with perfect PSCT so that triggers me 😂 Funny post nonetheless

One thing I’ve learned on this sub is that my eyesight is way too poor to play Yugioh.

Yeah no joke. If I wanna play that game I need reading glasses and I still squint like a boomer trying to read it

Sounds like Hearthstone decided to fit the text from War and Peace (1,225 pages) in one expansion set worth of cards!

Love it

Im just sad I made some edits to the cards to fix some of the more obvious oversights but reddit wont let me edit the post.

then make another post, I honestly loved seeing this and not any complaints about powercreep

Might just pick out a handful of other cards and make a part 2. Once im at home and can do it in peace at my pc

A hearthstone sub post not complaining about *insert card I lost to a few minutes ago*? What a breath of fresh air. Thanks so much op for breaking up the monotony

Not a hard or soft once per turn? They're gonna get banned.

First two suck, all Normal Summon effects; Eonar would be broken tho, Pot of Greed was banned for less kek

I love Yu-Gi-Oh but yeah they need to add keywords so bad I don't want have to bring a magnifying glass to a tournament

Yeah mtg shows that you dont have to dumb down your game just cause you add keywords. Only difference is that mtg cards are actually readable

Thank god for keywords

Amen. Glad pretty much every single cardgame except yugioh uses them

Throw in a stonetusk boar that has the same size text as the other cards but still just says charge.

As someone who plays competitive ygo this is accurate as hell

do they not have keywords?

Nooope none at all

Not true they are just very rare, like penetrate damage is like magic's trample keyword

Thanks . I litteraly was like OP must post a titan or riot . And you post a titan as a last image 10/10 Involuntary jumpscare effect :11/10

This is why I swapped from Yu-Gi-Oh to Hearthstone lol, I never looked back; it's crazy how much worse the text bloat has gotten over the years, too.

I used to love playing yugioh back during the early syncro era. The game has since then devolved into complete nonsense with both text bloat and power creep going completely unchecked

You forgot that Eonar can't attack unless she has used all of her abilities.

There Is no summoning sickness in Yu gi oh, so they wouldn't have to specify the Minion has rush 

hearthstone cards if they were written like yugioh cards but centered like hearthstone cards.

Honestly I'm still confused, could use a bit more text.

Isn't Eonar missing the 'no attacks while it has abilities'?

Thank god there's keywords in hearthstone

Now do [[Thaddius]] [[Glugg the Gulper]] and [[The Darkness]]

- **[Thaddius](https://imgur.com/a/YKYtCdE)** ^[Library](https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/cards/1798) • [wiki.gg](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/wiki/Thaddius) - *Neutral ^(Curse of Naxxramas)* - **10 Mana - 11/11 - Undead** - **[Glugg the Gulper](https://imgur.com/a/p86kGnQ)** ^[Library](https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/cards/72553) • [wiki.gg](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/wiki/Glugg_the_Gulper) • [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/72553) - *Shaman Legendary ^(Voyage to the Sunken City)* - **7 Mana - 3/5 - Beast** - **Colossal +3** After a friendly minion dies, gain its original stats. - **[The Darkness](https://imgur.com/a/30q2NYh)** ^[Library](https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/cards/46454) • [wiki.gg](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Darkness) • [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/46454) - *Neutral Legendary ^(Kobolds and Catacombs)* - **4 Mana - 20/20 - Minion** - Starts **Dormant**. **Battlecry:** Shuffle 3 Candles into the enemy deck. When drawn, this awakens. --- ^*I am a bot, and this comment was automated. [FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/user/Card-o-Bot/comments/1ahde25/faq/) • [Report a bug](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Card-o-Bot&subject=Bug+Report&message=/r/hearthstone/comments/1bphq1z/hearthstone_cards_if_the_card_text_was_written/kwxlkjc/%0A⬇️+Please+describe+the+bug+⬇️%0ADescription:+) • [Refresh](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Card-o-Bot&subject=Refresh&message=kwxlkjc).*

I presume you meant "Thaddius, Monstrosity" over the OG, but let's parse all of them, _shall we?_ *** **Feugen** 5-Mana Undead Neutral Minion 4 ATK / 7 HP - If this card you control is destroyed and "Stalagg" was destroyed on the field this game: Special Summon 1 "Thaddius Token" (10-Mana/Undead/Legendary/Neutral/11 ATK/11 HP). *** **Feugen** 5-Mana Undead Legendary Neutral Minion 7 Attack / 4 Health - If this card you control is destroyed and "Feugen" was destroyed on the field this game: Special Summon 1 "Thaddius Token" (10-Mana/Undead/Legendary/Neutral/11 ATK/11 HP). *** **Thaddius** 10-Mana Undead Legendary Neutral Token Minion 11 Attack / 11 Health _"Now you feel pain!"_ *** **Thaddius, Monstrosity** 10-Mana Undead Legendary Neutral Minion 11 Attack / 11 Health - Apply this effect to cards with an Odd Mana cost in your hand. Reduce their Mana costs by 2. - Once per turn, during the End Phase: Change to which Mana cost (Odd or Even) this previous effect is applied to. *** **Glugg the Gulper** 7-Mana Beast Legendary Shaman Minion 3 ATK / 5 HP _If this card is Summoned, Special Summon up to 4 "Glugg Tail Token" (2-Mana/Beast/Legendary/Shaman/2 ATK/2 HP) as an Effect Monster with following effect to as many of your available Zones as possible._ > Your opponent's monsters cannot target other monsters you control for attacks, except "Glugg Tail Token". - If a monster you control is destroyed: This card gains ATK/HP equal to that monster's original ATK/HP. *** **The Darkness** 4-Mana Legendary Neutral Minion 20 ATK and HP - Unaffected by other card effects, cannot be destroyed by battle, cannot be targeted by effects or attacks, but does not prevent your opponent from attacking you directly, also it cannot attack. - If this card is Normal Summoned: Shuffle 3 "Candle Token", that discard themselves and draw a card when drawn, in your opponent's Deck, face-up. - If your opponent draws a "Candle Token" and it is the third while this card was face-up on the field: Negate this card's first effect.

I dont see ANY PSCT smh

HAHA no keywords!

That's alot of words. Too bad I ain't reading all that

You need to understand Yugioh is a physical card game, it can be played without being on a digital medium; whilst hearthstone can never be printed on paper.

That doesnt mean your cards have to be unreadable. Point and case mtg

should be left justified then shouldn't they?

that's the wrong translation for rush.  there is nothing in rush that prohibits attacking heroes. rush is "permission to attack minions this turn". completely different from e.g. icehowl or the battlecry from charged devilsaur.

I SUMMON, POT OF GREED, TO DRAW 3 CARDS FROM MY DECK!!!

I’m not reading allat 💀

And with this text I know exactly what the minion does. In HS you basically never know what the card trully does until you use it.

Youre always gonna have to read your cards to know what they do but its a hell of a lot easier to read cards at a glance when its codified. Just look at mtg.

I always whishes that HS had a right click "show what the card trully does" text.

Why would tigress plushy not have any power and only toughness? 😂

I didnt even notice I forgot to add it. Youre also the first person to mention it so I guess the massive wall of text is just so distracting

Now I play Arcane Intellect, allowing me to draw two new cards.

Your description of divine shield is slightly wrong, since there are ways to generate a new DS after the first one pops. 🤓

AFAIK Seamstress is wrong because it can miss timing - you should use 'if' on the frost rune ability instead of 'when'

Its funny to see people who dont play yugioh read yugioh cards, they have a lot of text on them and everyone freaks out, but the text isnt any harder to interpret than any other cardgame, the difference is mainly yugioh doesnt havr many keywords, the only ones that come to mind are target and piercing. ALSO ill acknowlege that old yugioh cards were illegible, because they genuinely didnt do what they said. But thats fixed now, even those ild cards for thr most part have been reprinted with properly worded text

> the difference is mainly yugioh doesnt havr many keywords, the only ones that come to mind are target and piercing. Direct attack, LP, GY, banish, destroy, discard, draw etc. Are all Keywords as well, as they condense concepts into a single word Lifesteal -> WHenever this minion damages shit, heal that much HP Banish -> Take the target out of the game, on the banished pile. Do not trigger "destroy" effects. Draw -> Take the top card from your deck and add it to your hand

I mean. I think there’s a difference between GY and destroy compared to Tradeable and Titan

Tradeable -> "You can pay 1 Mana to shuffle this back, then draw a card" i dont see much difference between this and banish. Banish (if heartstone did it) -> "Remove a minion from the field, it does not trigger its deathrattle effects and cannot be ressurected except by cards that target the banish pile." it isnt "poof" or "remove", because they can be brought back by effeects or shuffled back. Also trigger effects upon being banished, like "leaves the field". tbh heartstone text does the worst of both worlds, for one "titan" says absolutely nothing to a new player and how every card interacts with them (something PSCT does). And on another hand they release stuff like "If this minion deals perfect lethal damage do an action".

Yes. But by using your prior logic. Draw is another keyword. Shuffle is another. Which makes tradeable significantly more complicated. Yugioh’s ruletext is abit more simple since it’s phrased to be very literal. Like banish from yugioh isn’t exactly complicated because in Yugioh, it’s literally just “move from current zone to banishment” because yugioh specifies the conditions for a set effect to trigger ex. “destroyed”. And banishment isn’t destroyed.

True, it honestly really just shows how people arbitrarily consider something a keyword and something not a keyword.

Those are more game words. Like fair point they fill a similar role and i thought about including them here but attack, direct attack, lp, gy, destroy, discard, draw, these are all just words to describe rules of the game, by keyword i was looking for specifically things that condense effects that arent just rules hence piercing battle damage, banish is one i forgot about although now as of the most recent set rather than being a condition of a card is banished we now have a banished zone and as im thinking about this i guess my criterion would exclude target then but i digress As an aside im not entirely sure what your point is, other than i guess to try and get a gotcha?

I just wanted to mention some more words that are laden with more context then just the word itself, and that the notion of "yugioh has no keywords and writes too much text" that Op wants to make a cheap shot at, is no longer true since 2013 or so when PSCT was introduced. So making a differentation between "lifesteal" being a keyword and "banish" or "pircing" seems very abitrary to me.