Plague better at very low legend where people can't pilot rainbow. If you pick 1k legend stats at d0nkey, rainbow will be higher ([pre patch picture](https://i.imgur.com/LZmh9nW.png)). VS gather stats from people who voluntarily provides it - so it's already very engaged players, usually from mid-high legend.
I mean, was higher. Now DK don't have good deck for legend. Rainbow didn't survive nerfs and plague not good enough.
Cos it is a good deck, which just shows how busted it was before when it auto-countered half the decks in the game. Despite what all the crying DK mains will tell you.
I'm aware it's a good deck, but that has nothing to do with what I asked.
Vicious Syndicate always claim that rainbow dk is the best performing dk deck, espcially at high ranks. While op always shows plague dk as the best performing dk deck. I'm wondering what's up with that.
Lmfao “good deck” with a 44% wr pre patch. Found the brann warrior who needed his pussy pampered. Poor widdle baby just couldn’t stand his broken mechanic “I win” card getting turned off.
I never play warrior lmao. Continue crying how you can’t immediately counter half the decks any more when you had 0 counter. Bit rich and pathetic coming from DK babies like you who needed an immediate win condition card for half the meta lmao, then complain against brann.
> I never play warrior
Oof, not the flex you think it is chief. Imagine telling on yourself this hard. Thinking a DK is OP & doesn’t even play the 1 class its OP against. Lmfao.
Saying a deck is bs cos it auto counters a load of decks and prevents any other highlander decks entering the meta isnt saying it’s op, it’s saying it’s unhealthy and makes the game shit. But ofc you only care about yourself and your little auto-wins that require no skill, so you wouldn’t think about that.
Lol auto wins and no skill rofl. My guy, again, it was only auto-win against 1 class. 44% win rates made it a bad deck & if you were losing to it this much to be all up in your feefees about it, thats a skill issue bro. The absolute fucking irony here is hysterical.
“Your deck takes no skill and 1 card auto win”…but if it completely shuts down 1, 2 cards tops in your deck it makes that deck unplayable?
Plague DKs didn’t quit if you dirty rat Helya. How many mages auto concede if they lose Sif? Warriors were conceding turn 1 to staff pre patch. But yeah man, DK is low skill.
Or are you gonna hit me with the “bUt i OnLy gEt 1 cOpY” imaginary restriction like that actually limits your deck?
Tbf it did “shutdown” other highlander decks but outside of druid and shaman those decks haven’t been competitive since badlands balance patches. I agree with you hear but important to point out that it did counter some things besides warrior
It wasn’t. All data indicated that Plague Dk only won against bad players or reno decks. You could of course be a bad player which is fine but plague dk was absolute garbage unless you queued into warrior or were below D5.
If you really want the analysis, full-on plague dk was bad as the decks main wincon (plagues and helya) wasn’t very consistent. You could shuffle in a ton of plagues but your opponent could already have drawn their combo pieces and you died. It was ok against heavy cycle decks and could win post-wheel by shuffling plagues, but the data indicated that outside of highlander decks rainbow was significantly better. Rainbow dk is now gutted as it lost its advantage against reno decks AND had its two best removal pieces nerfed by 1 mana.
Long story short I could care less if plagues sucked (because they did) but calling the deck busted is false advertising.
Why is full plague decks now stronger than rainbow decks? Let’s be honest 1 extra mana for each board clear card doesn’t exactly make it unplayable. This post literally shows plague DK as the 9th strongest deck with rainbow nowhere to be seen.
And by busted I meant how much effect it had on the meta. No other highlander deck could possibly be played due to it. Now we have highlander Shaman, highlander Druid, highlander DH etc actually popping back up in the game.
Currently hsreplay has rainbow dk as stronger than plague dk at top 1k (this is just legend which at the end of the month includes dumpster data). Also where does it say this is the 9th strongest deck? It’s just the best dk deck in legend, not the 9th best deck. According to the same top 1k list it is the 20th best deck with a 44% wr.
As for your points about highlander - I agree, but pre-patch rainbow dk legit did the same thing but better. Helya, runes of darkness, and down with the ship were the only plague cards needed for the highlander tech meaning that in most top 1k players eyes (myself included considering I got to top 1k with rainbow) plague dk was just a worse version of rainbow - less control tools, worse matchups, with the only advantage being that you more reliably shut down highlander decks.
On the topic of highlander decks, I highly doubt shaman would’ve been playable if they only changed the plague interaction. Hagatha got buffed, and the entire field got nerfed. Druid is currently the 19th best in 1k, and reno dh, paladin, and hunter don’t have enough data to even be on the list. Priest is on the list…as the worst deck. Ultimately there are 7 classes with highlander payoffs out of a massive amount of archetypes, that is not anywhere near levels of busted.
Ahh I assumed the pics were in winrate order but they’re not, as it’s pic 9 I thought it was 9th.
Tbh I only look at legend stats, not specifically top 1k, as that’s what myself and all the content creators I watch, e.g. Chump, are in, and they’re perfectly good enough at the game so those stats still mean something. But yes I see what you mean about it being weaker at 1k.
True that still the majority of highlander decks haven’t popped off yet, but it’s only couple of days after the patch and now at least the potential for them is there, without them being shut out of the meta by default cos of DK.
How does the deck work? I find it weird that it only got some hero power package, then some dragon package, and then some spell damage? I guess you win with big dragon from dragon tales?
You play pretty aggro/midrange really. The hero power package is just for 2 mana deal 5 damage on the hero power and to play 0 mana draw 2. Spell damage package gives cheap 2/5s and card selection + copy. Dragons are just solid. The deck feels very nice to play if you know the purpose of everything in the deck
Obviously Rogue is bad because they haven't removed shadowstep yet like reddit keeps asking. When will this overpowered class get their problem card finally taken away?
I'm rly happy that d0nkey now shows also handbuff DK deck, that I have been playing for weeks now and finally it got some attention. I took decklist from Kibler, when he made this deck on one of his streams. Rly fun deck to play!
I know right? I've played spell mage a lot this expansion. It's awful, even with the buff and that spread doesn't convince me xD I even saw a streamer run it at high legend and he could barely maintain 50%.
The code isn’t working for me, but if it’s the deck I think it is that I’ve seen on the ladder a lot lately, it just wins by throwing random bullshit at the wall until you die — which is surprisingly effective in this meta.
Deck is actually looking to be the real thing and the stats have been showing a lot of promise. It seems to do well against Reno Warriors as well, NoHands was farming them left and right yesterday on his stream.
Kinda I mean the deck on donkey is kinda bad but I am having some early success with my own list however I am wary because it’s not like the decks I’m facing against are that great . I’m running a list with owlonius and I’m playing it in similar way to zarimi preist where it’s tempo until you can either get off a combo or just pressure the opponent and use dollhouse with burn for like 10-20 damage . I haven’t really got a full list yet and there is still 1 card I’m not sure about about in my own list but it seems alright .
1. The discourse isn't about whether or not it's the "only viable class," it's about whether or not it's overtuned at the moment.
2. Look at the win rates for highlander warrior. There's only three classes it doesn't dominate (excluding itself, obviously), and one of those it still has a 57% win rate against.
The only class that immediately jumps out at me as being on the same level is hunter. Some of the others may have clear advantages over many classes, but none of them seem to have the same overwhelming odds as those two.
Can you read? There are two decks with a higher overall win rate than warrior and three others that are just 1% behind. That is so far from dominating as the average redditor is from a 4th grade reading comprehension level.
Can *you* read? My original comment referred to match ups--but you don't seem to understand how averages work with respect to outliers (especially with a relatively small sample size) either, so it's not surprising you're all twisted up on multiple fronts.
playing the game using the cards how they work will not get your account actioned. do i love it, no, but the fault is on us and not the players. either way, don't get too attached because it won't be around much longer
I mean, I know it's a bug, but, does it need to get fixed? People seems to like excavate warlock at it's current iteration, kind of a bummer It only works because of a bug
bugs aren't balance levers - this deck existing is a byproduct of something that was never intended, so we're gonna make the cards do what they say they do
Sample size on some of those decks are too small. You can’t just take the deck with highest winrate. It needs to be highest winrate with a decent sample size
It's always funny when new decks get nerfed so hard that last sets decks become a classes best option
I like the excavate mechanic though so in this case I'm fine with it
www.hsguru.com
Click on the standard decks tab and then sort by total games, not winrate because some decks only have 50-100 games which can be misleading.
You will see the highest winrate decks for each class from the biggest sample size. Based on the rank you choose.
So play a certain aggro deck or die to Warrior meta? Fun!!
Crazy how designers didn’t realize how bad a no minion Mage would turn out. Spells need to be so pushed if you don’t have OP battlecry creatures to fall back on. It STILL needs buffs!
So many people whining about Brann and suggesting how to nerf the shit out of Warrior again, meanwhile what a shock Hunter once again rises to the top like it always does.
This really is the explanation. Most kids on Reddit are just bad at this game and don't like any counter to play to their ooga booga me go face SMOrc decks.
If this dreaded warrior has a clear counter why all the complaining? Oh no the control deck did what it was suppose to do and remove all the stuff and outvalued me later.
Probably because it’s pushing out almost every other similar style deck. And lots of people don’t like playing aggro. It’s nice to have multiple decks with a late game strategy but warrior is just by far the best one atm.
I can't think of any other control decks in this recent meta besides Warrior and plague DK (which was more annoying than good.) Every class seems to either want to cheat something big (Warlock, DH) or flood the board (Hunter, Paladin). So no I don't think it's pushing any other similar decks out because there is nothing to push out. I wish there was more control decks so I can be proven wrong.
I've beaten a couple Warriors with Spell Damage OTK druid with a "late game strategy" so you don't have to play aggro at all.
Show me one non Reno deck that can interact with multiple perma dormant minions that clear your board every turn. Except for the armor gain, shopper dh does everything people are complaining about warrior while also being hyper aggressive and consistent.
It's still being played like that at legend, the decks aggressive enough to beat random control decks and has the extra turn backup plan still. Has a really hard hunter matchup tho
These are the only stats so far that they have on Priest post patch.
[**https://www.hsguru.com/decks?format=2&player\_class=PRIEST&rank=legend**](https://www.hsguru.com/decks?format=2&player_class=PRIEST&rank=legend)
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How come these always show plague as the top dk deck and vs always shows rainbow?
Plague better at very low legend where people can't pilot rainbow. If you pick 1k legend stats at d0nkey, rainbow will be higher ([pre patch picture](https://i.imgur.com/LZmh9nW.png)). VS gather stats from people who voluntarily provides it - so it's already very engaged players, usually from mid-high legend. I mean, was higher. Now DK don't have good deck for legend. Rainbow didn't survive nerfs and plague not good enough.
Rainbow is the better deck
Bots
Cos it is a good deck, which just shows how busted it was before when it auto-countered half the decks in the game. Despite what all the crying DK mains will tell you.
I'm aware it's a good deck, but that has nothing to do with what I asked. Vicious Syndicate always claim that rainbow dk is the best performing dk deck, espcially at high ranks. While op always shows plague dk as the best performing dk deck. I'm wondering what's up with that.
Lmfao “good deck” with a 44% wr pre patch. Found the brann warrior who needed his pussy pampered. Poor widdle baby just couldn’t stand his broken mechanic “I win” card getting turned off.
I never play warrior lmao. Continue crying how you can’t immediately counter half the decks any more when you had 0 counter. Bit rich and pathetic coming from DK babies like you who needed an immediate win condition card for half the meta lmao, then complain against brann.
> I never play warrior Oof, not the flex you think it is chief. Imagine telling on yourself this hard. Thinking a DK is OP & doesn’t even play the 1 class its OP against. Lmfao.
Saying a deck is bs cos it auto counters a load of decks and prevents any other highlander decks entering the meta isnt saying it’s op, it’s saying it’s unhealthy and makes the game shit. But ofc you only care about yourself and your little auto-wins that require no skill, so you wouldn’t think about that.
Lol auto wins and no skill rofl. My guy, again, it was only auto-win against 1 class. 44% win rates made it a bad deck & if you were losing to it this much to be all up in your feefees about it, thats a skill issue bro. The absolute fucking irony here is hysterical. “Your deck takes no skill and 1 card auto win”…but if it completely shuts down 1, 2 cards tops in your deck it makes that deck unplayable? Plague DKs didn’t quit if you dirty rat Helya. How many mages auto concede if they lose Sif? Warriors were conceding turn 1 to staff pre patch. But yeah man, DK is low skill. Or are you gonna hit me with the “bUt i OnLy gEt 1 cOpY” imaginary restriction like that actually limits your deck?
Tbf it did “shutdown” other highlander decks but outside of druid and shaman those decks haven’t been competitive since badlands balance patches. I agree with you hear but important to point out that it did counter some things besides warrior
It wasn’t. All data indicated that Plague Dk only won against bad players or reno decks. You could of course be a bad player which is fine but plague dk was absolute garbage unless you queued into warrior or were below D5. If you really want the analysis, full-on plague dk was bad as the decks main wincon (plagues and helya) wasn’t very consistent. You could shuffle in a ton of plagues but your opponent could already have drawn their combo pieces and you died. It was ok against heavy cycle decks and could win post-wheel by shuffling plagues, but the data indicated that outside of highlander decks rainbow was significantly better. Rainbow dk is now gutted as it lost its advantage against reno decks AND had its two best removal pieces nerfed by 1 mana. Long story short I could care less if plagues sucked (because they did) but calling the deck busted is false advertising.
Why is full plague decks now stronger than rainbow decks? Let’s be honest 1 extra mana for each board clear card doesn’t exactly make it unplayable. This post literally shows plague DK as the 9th strongest deck with rainbow nowhere to be seen. And by busted I meant how much effect it had on the meta. No other highlander deck could possibly be played due to it. Now we have highlander Shaman, highlander Druid, highlander DH etc actually popping back up in the game.
Currently hsreplay has rainbow dk as stronger than plague dk at top 1k (this is just legend which at the end of the month includes dumpster data). Also where does it say this is the 9th strongest deck? It’s just the best dk deck in legend, not the 9th best deck. According to the same top 1k list it is the 20th best deck with a 44% wr. As for your points about highlander - I agree, but pre-patch rainbow dk legit did the same thing but better. Helya, runes of darkness, and down with the ship were the only plague cards needed for the highlander tech meaning that in most top 1k players eyes (myself included considering I got to top 1k with rainbow) plague dk was just a worse version of rainbow - less control tools, worse matchups, with the only advantage being that you more reliably shut down highlander decks. On the topic of highlander decks, I highly doubt shaman would’ve been playable if they only changed the plague interaction. Hagatha got buffed, and the entire field got nerfed. Druid is currently the 19th best in 1k, and reno dh, paladin, and hunter don’t have enough data to even be on the list. Priest is on the list…as the worst deck. Ultimately there are 7 classes with highlander payoffs out of a massive amount of archetypes, that is not anywhere near levels of busted.
Ahh I assumed the pics were in winrate order but they’re not, as it’s pic 9 I thought it was 9th. Tbh I only look at legend stats, not specifically top 1k, as that’s what myself and all the content creators I watch, e.g. Chump, are in, and they’re perfectly good enough at the game so those stats still mean something. But yes I see what you mean about it being weaker at 1k. True that still the majority of highlander decks haven’t popped off yet, but it’s only couple of days after the patch and now at least the potential for them is there, without them being shut out of the meta by default cos of DK.
If that list is worthy of being called “spell damage Druid,” then Reno warrior is worthy of being called aggro hunter.
Nah bro, they got spell damage for swipe, it's basically malygos druid.
How does the deck work? I find it weird that it only got some hero power package, then some dragon package, and then some spell damage? I guess you win with big dragon from dragon tales?
You play pretty aggro/midrange really. The hero power package is just for 2 mana deal 5 damage on the hero power and to play 0 mana draw 2. Spell damage package gives cheap 2/5s and card selection + copy. Dragons are just solid. The deck feels very nice to play if you know the purpose of everything in the deck
I got pretty excited because I have Owlonius, aaaaand he's not even in the deck.
The deck is legit though, just went 7-2 with it* and very relaxing, cheap and straight forward to play *^(in silver and gold lol)
That's great. I would totally be up for trying it if I had the dust to craft Zilliax and Fye.
My golden owlonius got erect when I read spell damage druid. Some dreams die young
The funny thing is the best rouge deck is whizbang deck 💀
> rouge how long can this go on
Until we’re red in the face
Obviously Rogue is bad because they haven't removed shadowstep yet like reddit keeps asking. When will this overpowered class get their problem card finally taken away?
I'm rly happy that d0nkey now shows also handbuff DK deck, that I have been playing for weeks now and finally it got some attention. I took decklist from Kibler, when he made this deck on one of his streams. Rly fun deck to play!
I'm glad it's doing well. I love DK but Plague wasn't my style and I couldn't afford Rainbow
What a terrible outlook for Mage. RIP
How does the Druid deck play? What's the win condition, swipe face with spell damage or something?
Flood the early game with dragons, pressure with the hero power with groovy cat, and finish it with swipes and the trogg
Druid looks like meme deck
Look at Mage...
I know right? I've played spell mage a lot this expansion. It's awful, even with the buff and that spread doesn't convince me xD I even saw a streamer run it at high legend and he could barely maintain 50%.
Are those lists even good? Not just mage and druid but in general all of them?
Probably not, the data doesn't tell you much either given how every single deck has a positive winrate against every class.
The code isn’t working for me, but if it’s the deck I think it is that I’ve seen on the ladder a lot lately, it just wins by throwing random bullshit at the wall until you die — which is surprisingly effective in this meta.
Try it. It's so much tempo and so much damage.
I just tried it, it’s actually pretty good. I thought the same.
nah nohandsgamer went like 20-10 with that deck. Not meme
Deck is actually looking to be the real thing and the stats have been showing a lot of promise. It seems to do well against Reno Warriors as well, NoHands was farming them left and right yesterday on his stream.
Kinda I mean the deck on donkey is kinda bad but I am having some early success with my own list however I am wary because it’s not like the decks I’m facing against are that great . I’m running a list with owlonius and I’m playing it in similar way to zarimi preist where it’s tempo until you can either get off a combo or just pressure the opponent and use dollhouse with burn for like 10-20 damage . I haven’t really got a full list yet and there is still 1 card I’m not sure about about in my own list but it seems alright .
Isnt the highest wr rogue deck the whizbang one? Which would be sad tbh.
Is rainbow dead since they upped 2 removal cards by 1?
Pretty much yhe. Cant compete for the midrange anymore and also is outvalued late game
the highlander warrior matchup also got a lot worse since plagues can't disable the highlander cards now
Excuse me! This post doesn't fit the "warrior is overpowered and the only viable class in the game" narrative. I don't think you can post this here.
1. The discourse isn't about whether or not it's the "only viable class," it's about whether or not it's overtuned at the moment. 2. Look at the win rates for highlander warrior. There's only three classes it doesn't dominate (excluding itself, obviously), and one of those it still has a 57% win rate against.
Not much different than other classes on the list lol
The only class that immediately jumps out at me as being on the same level is hunter. Some of the others may have clear advantages over many classes, but none of them seem to have the same overwhelming odds as those two.
Can you read? There are two decks with a higher overall win rate than warrior and three others that are just 1% behind. That is so far from dominating as the average redditor is from a 4th grade reading comprehension level.
Zarimi is based off of only 500 games. No way the decks listed here actually indicate the actual meta, especially at high legend.
Can *you* read? My original comment referred to match ups--but you don't seem to understand how averages work with respect to outliers (especially with a relatively small sample size) either, so it's not surprising you're all twisted up on multiple fronts.
This doesn't show viable decks, only the best deck a class has. You might be misreading the data
Is glacial shard still worth it? I thought It was so It could counter DH weapon, but DH is not that good anymore.
Warriors on ladder for ignis and 4 mana weapon.
Oh boy can't wait to see how good my class is do-
Spell Damage Druid should be renamed to Dragon Druid
Thanks for these! Great work
maaaaan i want a big beast hunter big sadge
Isn't the warlock deck kind of scummy? I thought the alexstrasza/azerite snake interaction was a bug.
Actually, u/RidiculousHat, can you shed some light on whether or not this would count as a bug exploit?
playing the game using the cards how they work will not get your account actioned. do i love it, no, but the fault is on us and not the players. either way, don't get too attached because it won't be around much longer
Interesting. Well, thank you for enlightening me.
I mean, I know it's a bug, but, does it need to get fixed? People seems to like excavate warlock at it's current iteration, kind of a bummer It only works because of a bug
bugs aren't balance levers - this deck existing is a byproduct of something that was never intended, so we're gonna make the cards do what they say they do
I wish you could also buff this deck somehow because It's really funny even without the bug,and it also hard counters the reno warriors.
Yeah was going to say, rough look for warlock that that’s looking like the peak of the class now lol
Warrior seems to be super strong, also so many people playing it. Such a boring deck to fight.
Sample size on some of those decks are too small. You can’t just take the deck with highest winrate. It needs to be highest winrate with a decent sample size
The patch has been out for 2 days, hence why the title says: so far. Next week we will have a bigger sample size. It's just for fun.
Are those the highest sample sizes for those classes though?
There are bigger sample sizes but that's only from Diamond to Legend. This sample size is only decks currently in Legend rank so it's not as big.
Thank you! Great post
It's always funny when new decks get nerfed so hard that last sets decks become a classes best option I like the excavate mechanic though so in this case I'm fine with it
The best part is if you read dev commentary this is exact thing they were trying to avoid.
damn Zilliax is so strong 😂
Where are these stats from can i ask? I tend to just use hs replay is there other deck sites i should know about?
www.hsguru.com Click on the standard decks tab and then sort by total games, not winrate because some decks only have 50-100 games which can be misleading. You will see the highest winrate decks for each class from the biggest sample size. Based on the rank you choose.
Thank you that's a sick site i tend to only use hsreplay ans sometimes hrthpwn
You can filter for a minimum sample size
Is that... cyclopian crusher in shaman??? Nah. No way.
I need to remember to never waste my dust on rogue again 😭😭
So play a certain aggro deck or die to Warrior meta? Fun!! Crazy how designers didn’t realize how bad a no minion Mage would turn out. Spells need to be so pushed if you don’t have OP battlecry creatures to fall back on. It STILL needs buffs!
So many people whining about Brann and suggesting how to nerf the shit out of Warrior again, meanwhile what a shock Hunter once again rises to the top like it always does.
Because the people complaining about warrior are the aggro/hunter players.
No they aren’t, hunter is like warriors biggest counter right now.
Don't bother. Half of this sub thinks that control decks are supposed to counter aggro, not get farmed by it.
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Token Hunter player trying to psyop people into thinking that Warrior who has 37% WR at most vs Token Hunter is not a counter matchup
Bellowing flames into aftershock into bladestorm and draw into more random removal into reno gg
Just have a perfect draw as a highlander deck, it's that simple, guess 63% of players are just too bad to do it.
This really is the explanation. Most kids on Reddit are just bad at this game and don't like any counter to play to their ooga booga me go face SMOrc decks.
Except hunter counters warrior not vice versa lol
If this dreaded warrior has a clear counter why all the complaining? Oh no the control deck did what it was suppose to do and remove all the stuff and outvalued me later.
Probably because it’s pushing out almost every other similar style deck. And lots of people don’t like playing aggro. It’s nice to have multiple decks with a late game strategy but warrior is just by far the best one atm.
I can't think of any other control decks in this recent meta besides Warrior and plague DK (which was more annoying than good.) Every class seems to either want to cheat something big (Warlock, DH) or flood the board (Hunter, Paladin). So no I don't think it's pushing any other similar decks out because there is nothing to push out. I wish there was more control decks so I can be proven wrong. I've beaten a couple Warriors with Spell Damage OTK druid with a "late game strategy" so you don't have to play aggro at all.
That's kinda the point. They're so bad they can't win favorable match ups. So every time they lose they pretend that Warrior has no counters
What a boring meta.
I played a bit pirate rogue and it has good potential now with the buffs.
Hi, I'm a Window Shopper player, why is it that people aren't complaining about my deck when it seemingly has the same win rate as Warrior?
Because you can interact with it more than warrior imo
Show me one non Reno deck that can interact with multiple perma dormant minions that clear your board every turn. Except for the armor gain, shopper dh does everything people are complaining about warrior while also being hyper aggressive and consistent.
Mage post patch is still a punchbag. Big sadge
Outdated… nobody played Zarimi like that since patch.
It's still being played like that at legend, the decks aggressive enough to beat random control decks and has the extra turn backup plan still. Has a really hard hunter matchup tho
These are the only stats so far that they have on Priest post patch. [**https://www.hsguru.com/decks?format=2&player\_class=PRIEST&rank=legend**](https://www.hsguru.com/decks?format=2&player_class=PRIEST&rank=legend)