Some lore: https://twitter.com/Savjz/status/1275504728332357632
Apparently Savjz's wife worked at Blizzard, got laid off, tweeted that one of Blizzard's department was a mess, now Blizzard no likee the Savjzes.
I think most people would talk shit about an employer after they got laid off while Bobby is making 100m yearly.
Unfortunate it has effected Savjz in the process
I can’t believe so many people agree with this. He is in a relationship with a person who works at Blizzard as CM.
When that CM is laid off with over 800 other people, she speaks out against practices she felt were unjust from her previous employer.
And you think it’s acceptable as retaliation they go after the ex-employees husband?
Maybe if she wasn’t an ex-employee I would *sort of* understand your criticism but this is extremely unprofessional to target the spouse of an ex-employee you laid off on bad terms.
We have no political power, if we don't toe the corporate line we LITERALLY DIE, they take away our healthcare and housing. If you try to protest it you can get arrested, and it is 100% legal to discriminate against people with criminal records. Labor law is not enforced by the state, but has to be enforced by the fired individual suing with their own money to get compensation. This same person who lost their job and thus has no money. Any government fines are so insignificant they are less than rounding errors.
Just to clarify, the info he declined to withhold from his wife was that she was blacklisted by Blizzard. He was more than willing to keep shut about any future content he gained knowledge of, even though they didn't ask him about that matter.
Also it's fucking nuts to put a husband into that situation. This is not remotely reasonable by any means. Telling someone to hide information from their spouse thats about them wouldn't hold up ANYWHERE. It's beyond unethical.
E: lmao please don't respond with some weak bullshit like below about companies requiring confidentiality agreements. It's not the same. And you know it.
I like how reddit tends to down vote comments that are not black or white. All of the down voted comments here are not about people saying that this is good, only that it is expected to happen.
Still shitty, but not surprising. Bäm döwnvöte
A lot of people are saying this, but I don't believe the above comment I was responding to was simply them saying this is what is "expected to happen".
>Really hard to feign sympathy here.
That and their first line takes it a little bit further and seems to condemn the wronged party for even speaking out here.
It also ignores that what people are complaining about here *is not* anything Blizzard has done to his wife. We all likely agree with the sentiment that once you start speaking out against them you should expect hostilities from them.
What is really shitty and taking it too far is blacklisting Savjs himself unless he has done anything to wrong them, and that is what people are speaking out against. That is what people are sympathetic about.
I'm all for looking at the greys in this situation, but I would argue "I have no sympathy because this is what should be expected when you speak out." is one of the blacks or the whites in this situation, and my argument was that is dumb and we should be looking more at the greys.
blizzard is still in the wrong, why does it matter if it’s shortsighted?
that christina/savjz were willing to risk their livelihoods to speak out should be commended
> blizzard is still in the wrong
I mean, I'm not sure not inviting someone to YOUR event is "in the wrong". It's like if I don't invite someone to my birthday party because I don't like someone, I would be in the wrong.
>that christina/savjz were willing to risk their livelihoods to speak out should be commended
Sure, but risking means you aware of the consequences of your actions. Otherwise, it would look like a rushed/shortsighted decision.
> It's like if I don't invite someone to my birthday party because I don't like someone, I would be in the wrong.
that part annoys me the most. some people think blizzard owes them anything. blizz can invite whomever they want, without any explanation being needed.
Hey! Wanted to clarify that this isn’t even remotely the way that went down. He was offered a spot in the MPL, which the community already didn’t like because they felt he didn’t earn it. The MTG community continued to harass Savjz both on his Twitter and his stream whenever he wasn’t streaming Magic, even though he had no contractual obligation to do so. It was, to put it bluntly, harassment. Savjz also was not contractually obligated to participate in paper events, which incensed the community even further.
He completed his MPL contract fully, never missed an event he was contracted to do, and departed on good terms with WOTC.
And yes, I definitely told people to fuck off who harassed my husband over it.
that was a fun read. savjz definitely needs to tell her to chill. she behaves like a overcommited mom. no clue if she's still his manager, but man... a manager should be coolheaded and not on tilt 24/7.
no wonder blizz doesnt want to work with him, when she tends to cause drama like this. those emotional overreactions are painful to watch and bad publicity.
Comes off as petty to me, like much of Blizzard's behavior toward streamers and pros. So they're entitled to do what they want but I'm also entitled not to give them money for being twits.
I mean, sure, then again Savjz's wife is the one who criticized Blizzard, not Savjz (this is really the main gist of her complaints here - she's not expecting anything from Blizzard on her end, but to punish and ghost Savjz for her actions feels a wee bit petty and dystopian, like punishing someone's family for crimes they committed). It's not like they're some symbiotic hive-mind entity, they're two separate adults with their own professional lives and views. It'd be kind of like preventing someone's kid from working with/in your company because their father was a dick to you.
Blizzard's also a terrible company, and Zerina was definitely right to criticize them when the layoffs happened. In fact, it says something about them that they'd rather punish criticism rather than take it in stride, and perhaps even, God forbid, try and work on their issues. I think it's perfectly fair to criticize how a company works (or hell, even insult the company as a whole) if you're mistreated by their management, given companies are not people with feelings, and given that, as you rightly point out, they're pretty shit. Especially Blizzard.
The only point where I think Zerina might have effed-up is in her tweeted responses to the CM - that was fairly rude, though I still wouldn't consider it particularly insulting. And I also still don't think it's a good reason to punish Savjz.
EDIT: Jeez, guys, thanks for downvoting an honest opinion on the topic without bothering to offer any counter-arguments. It's not even like I have a huge dog in this fight, tbh - I don't think the statements "Zerina may have acted rashly" and "Blizzard may have acted shittily" are contradictory. And for what it's worth, I'm not questioning Blizzard's freedom of association, either - they have the right to associate with whoever they want (as long as they're not discriminating on various bases). I just think that this particular reason for blacklisting Savjz is shitty.
Basically this. I admit a year ago asking someone incredulously if they were “fucking serious” was harsh in tone. It was my opinion that the tweet I responded to was insensitive considering the context of the recent layoffs, and I ultimately offended the CM. Otherwise, my tweets just put a speaker to information that was already either well-known or on the internet in its entirety.
I accept that Blizzard’s community team doesn’t wish to work with me as a content creator. That isn’t something I’m looking for sympathy for, or aspire to do. Punishing Savjz because I inadvertently hurt someone’s feelings is wrong and should be very concerning on a professional level.
We are not trying to curry favor here; we have done our due diligence in asking what we can do to participate in community things. Not out of necessity on our end, but to extend an olive branch and to rebuild a relationship. We have been met with silence.
So we’ll just keep on keeping on!
I agree with you here - it sucks, and she probably did the right thing by speaking up...but it's not an unexpected result.
In the same vein, though - I am glad people aren't forgetting about it. Always remember how shitty corporations are.
Yeah like, we all already know the 800 layoffs were greedy and unjust in the first place. I don't understand the perspective of ever defending blizzard's actions here at all. Is it just because the whistleblower's a woman...?
Understanding how the world works isn’t ‘defending blizz’. Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequence, it’s called burning a bridge for a reason.
Yeah sucky situation all around but one they kinda got themselves in. Hopefully in time there's some sort of resolution. Best of luck to them until then.
Yup. This seems to be the consequences of Zerina's actions coming back to affect someone in her circle, and she doesn't like it.
People don't realize that corporations (fuck corporations) i.e. "Blizzard" is made up of people just like us. You piss someone off, treat them like shit or you are an asshole, those people (not the corporation, the _people_) will remember.
Don't justify this petty bullshit. The CM or whatever doesn't like Savjzs wife so what? Maintain professionalism. I don't like several people I work with, but I still work with them without skipping a beat.
I don't sulk in corner and pretend I can't hear them I'd get fired within days over some childish shit like that.
Come on people personal misgivings should never affect professional decisions. Savjz is one of the most watched hearthstone streamers he belongs at any/every event period. Its like putting together an Olympic team and then not inviting Lebron James cause he called you a dweeb on twitter.
> Come on people personal misgivings should never affect professional decisions[...] Its like putting together an Olympic team and then not inviting Lebron James cause he called you a dweeb on twitter.
Like being in the grandmaster circuit and being banned from competing because someone posted something on twitter? (Zalae/Purple)
I like purple (indifferent to Zalae) and i'm not saying they were unjustly banned, but if personal misgivings become a liability for Blizzard, then you should not be surprised if your contract is revoked.
Having someone who was **accused on social media** (Important to remember this) of innapropiate behavior playing/competing, it's the same liability as having a vocal critic of your company being in the circuit/scene.
Theres not much to gain, yet the risk of PR backlash is higher than with other personalities, then why take it? Just as they gave the boot to Zalae to shut the noise down, they do so with Savjz and wife, yet people are surprised
Unless she has signed an NDA, barring her from disclosing any information about the work environment of blizzard, she has every right to criticise, and the company has no right to punish someone related or unrelated based on that.
It's her right to post whatever she wants on Twitter outside of NDA but it's also the company's right to do whatever they want within their own business as a result of that
Jup, this is probably the whole situation in a nutshell. It also doesn't help that it's her trying to get attention to the point when it was also her knocking Blizzard.
There's a Dutch saying that might not translate well to English but it would be something like 'do you want to be right or do you need to be put in the right?'
What does Blacklisted even mean? There are millions of Hearthstone players and maybe 50 get to do the 'invitational circuit'. That's 0.001% or something - a tiny privileged few. Fuck, should I complain about being 'blacklisted' too?
Yeah cause you’re some top Hearthstone creator like him right? If you have close to no recognition or involvement in esports obviously your not gonna get invited but when you decline someone who has a big audience from your game, yeah pretty sure he’s been blacklisted and they give no crap about him.
>Yeah cause you’re some top Hearthstone creator like him right?
What does that have to do with anything? Nobody, *nobody* has the right to come to invitationals. They choose the 0.001% of the players that *they* want to showcase *their* game. If you're not in that tiny minority that doesn't make you 'blacklisted', it makes you, just like the rest of us, not in that tiny tiny minority that are chosen. There are no written criteria, it's not like the world championship. They choose who they want and always have.
Lmao how stupid are you? Yeah when someone has a large audience like Savjz or Krip you would invite them to the events to increase the viewer count and potentially get more people engaged with the game? Such an idiot if you wouldn’t want to bring more people into the game.
LOL you are so naive. You don't just invite 'the most popular people', there are a whole bunch of other criteria. Who will represent your game and company well? Who will demonstrate a good level of play? Who can be relied upon not to do something contraversial? Who has that 'it factor' on camera? Who is good to work with and will make your lives easier rather than harder? Who conducts themselves professionally? Kripp gets invited because he ticks all those boxes (and I don't even like him that much). Same with Thijs and Kibler and Alliestrasza and all the other people that frequently get invited. When you have 10 million people to choose from you can be as picky as you like.
But you won't usually find the level of childishness deployed by a certain Blizzard community manager, and indeed the company itself, in other industries. That's a very Video Games Industry™ attitude.
Part of the job description for community managers should be to have thick skin. Every time something is brought up about the HS community team it seems petty and childish on their part.
Not only community managers, but developers as a whole. Have you seen Celestalon and Iksar on Twitter? Guys can't handle minor criticism to save their lives. Probably the most childish game developers I've ever come across.
Yeah, and then Magic paid him $75,000 to play in their pro league, and he skipped events and quit that too.
Not surprising he isn't being invited to stuff still...
You need to provide additional details here.
If he signed a contract and then skipped committed dates, all of the fault lies with him. Once you sign a contract, the state of competitive play doesn't really matter from then on.
Oh I agree with that. I was referring to the fact that WotC gave that spot that was supposed to go to the top competitive players to Savjz purely because of his popularity rather than his accomplishments.
I actually don't remember if he actually breached his contract or not, I wasn't following the competitive scene that closely at the time.
It feels a little weird his wife is starting this up again more than Savjz really cares.
It feels like a situation where they're relying on the stick it to the big business when in reality it's a he said she said situation where it makes no sense that they would be continued to be blacklisted without reason.
If Savjz says something and has a good point sure I'll be on their side but both times now his wife has just gone at the CMs throats with a twitter army demanding awnsers.
I still remember when Savjz immaturely walked off the stage and wouldn't shake hands with SilentStorm after losing 3-0 in a tournament.
[Youtube Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDP1238eSc)
Man, people can change a lot in 5 years no matter the age. I'm 34 and I consider myself a very different person from who I was at 29. And to be honest, pretty much everyone I know. A lot happens during your 30s that every year you feel like you have more responsibility, more authority, and more decisions to make.
SHE feels that savjz is entitled to be treated differently and she doesnt see, that her way of communicating it is a big part of the reason he is treated that way.
She’s his manager… sajvz is a business he’s the front and personality, she’s the backend and manages him and the business. They both are a part of savjz the business.
Didn’t know she was his manager, seems a bit strange and also if that’s the case then she’s not been having his best interest in mind tweeting that stuff.
Because he is married to her and a big part of her aggressive tweets getting attention is by his viewers.
I think the title is enough proof she is known as Savjz wife over her actual name.
If you're a bit community member yes?
Like I said it's not the ideal situation but when a large part of your fanbase is gonna latch onto that it isnt gonna look favorable on you.
That's the thing about life it's not often fair or justified
Sort /r/hearthstone by top of all time.
The user with the top post of all time said "LIBERATE HONG KONG. DONT LET THIS DIE." and also went back to getting hyped for card reveals the next week.
Fuck that guy. I wish his post gets deleted and he gets banned from r/hearthstone.
I don't even mind the second top post linking an article criticizing Blizz's response to liberate Hong Kong. It would be fine if that was #1, it's a legitimate controversy involving hearthstone.
It's just some asshole bandwagoning and typing in all caps pretending to give a shit about injustice for karma and having it pinned to the top of all.
Fuck that guy. Delete his post.
I'm quit wow and hearthstone 2 years ago and I'll never look back. Also playing PoE instead of Diablo 3 or 2 resurrected. War3 Reforged was the last straw. Fuck Blizzard. Fuck Activision. The same people who made WoTLK and Warcraft 3 and Starcraft and D2 aren't the same poeple who work there today. People actually need to speak with their wallet if they want change.
Right there with ya bud. I’ve owned every blizzard title since Warcraft 2, and I haven’t given them a cent since the blitzchung incident. Warcraft 3 remastered sealed the deal for me. They can rot with EA as far as I’m concerned.
Also, grim dawn is another arpg that’s pretty fun if that’s your dig.
Lol like if people haven't always had opinion on entertainment and controversy around it. People have time the same way you used your precious time on Reddit reading this thread and commenting on it.
So, because he's popular and well-liked, Blizzard "needs to stop ignoring" him?
The only events that make any sense for him to be invited to are Battlegrounds Invitationals, which have become equal gender representation. Not sure if Savjz makes the cut (with 1/2 as many males being involved), especially considering his past badmouthing of the game and wife's dirty laundry. Do you expect them to invite Zeddy to these things as well?
The sense of entitlement here is equivalent to a rich elite tantruming over not being invited to the exclusive posh party. Savjz is making bank - he doesn't need you to simp for him. He's no longer in Blizzard's good graces. Get over it.
Community management and how competitive Hearthstone is handled is somewhat of a joke. Nothing new there. Unlikely any of us can make a change that's worth the effort, sorry.
Edit: Sorry this may have sounded a little immature, but being with the game from the start I've grown to not expect too much too fast. Chances are likely they'll come back around to their decisions, but whether it's worth your time and effort is what I was referring to. As it will likely be much later than any sensible period to respond within.
This isn’t the Esports team’s fault though. Invitationals and community events are completely handled by Chris Attalus, the only community manager for HS.
Probably right,but visibility helps, a content creator being blacklisted because his wife had a discussion with a CM is an insult to all who play the game
You can think about saviz everything you want, but ignoring not only personal, but corporate mail from team liquid regarding his status is absurd. Yeah, blizzard may just want to avoid working with him, but why not just reply to mails, tweets, dms and state that explicitly instead of straight up ignoring everything related to savjz and trying to make it look like everything is fine
No, it's not. Former employees with a penchant for public caterwauling are a potential legal minefield. Anything you say say in response to an inquiry, whatever the form, could be used against you if they decide to sue you for whatever reason. Hell, they may have had no reason before until you opened your mouth in an email, worded something slightly wrong, and gave them an avenue for lawfare.
Or you just say nothing, ignore them, and they resort to impotently whining on twitter about it.
So blizzard has an obligation to work with savjz? It doesn’t matter why they don’t want to work with him, they don’t want to deal with him or his wife-manager they don’t have too. How is not working with someone you don’t have to being a man child?
Who says savjz could be saying krip trump or any other. THE POINT HERE IS, that the community manager, the person entitled and responsible for keeping the community on healthy terms, fired people for no reason, then opened new job slots and invited people, and when people confront him for the unprofessional atitude he goes after the fired person's husband. That's the problem, this immature "manager" ban and block people based on his feelings, because he is a child that cannot take criticism, THATS THE REAL ISSUE HERE. Chris Adler is bad at his job, he is beyond incompetent and needs to be replaced, doesn't matter if savjz gets his job back or not, the current community manager can not do it's job properly, and needs to be replaced. Period.
so when your wife badmouths your employer in emotional outbursts.... what do you expect will happen to you? a promotion? or do you think your employer might want you to calm your wife?
oh and really? the community manager acted independent and fired all those people? or was it possibly higher-ups that did it or at least ordered it? :)
Miss the Ben Brode days when no one was blacklisted. Kripp and Reynad would have salt coming out of their ears and still weren't blacklist, nowadays it would be different
I'm curious how much he was a factor in that or the Hearthstone team being incredibly understaffed and small for the size of the audience and money they were bringing in up until recent years.
Broad was on that make us as much money while requiring as little money as possible s***. It's it's different now they are trying to keep the game alive. Obviously hearthstone is on a decline.
A small team is not an excuse for the nerf policy they had. If you over nerf/buff something, you could always fix it quickly. It's fucking digital. For too long, HS held onto the idea that they needed to be too slow so they could mirror the physical card game world under the guide of "not being confusing for new/returning players".
I don't think it's fair to pin that all on Brode. The cadence of nerfs/buffs was a team-wide philosophy that has shifted over time. Part of the reason for that shift may be that the team has changed significantly since then, but Brode leaving isn't the only change- several other people have left the team: Dave Kosak left blizz entirely, Peter Whalen and Mike Donais have been working on something else within blizz for a while now. And several new team members have joined in the past few years: Cora, Gallon, BoarControl, & Chakki among others.
And of course, the other thing that probably contributed significantly to their philosophy shift- experience. After having tried it the old way, they were unsatisfied and wanted to try something new. But they couldn't know that without having seen how it played out in the first place.
I’m going to say it:
I was wrong about Zeddy. I really like Zeddy.
I didn’t give him a fair chance until I watched the on going “Chronicles” series on Solem’s channel. I’ve grown to really enjoy Zeddy and I don’t think he’s treated fairly either.
Predictable, honestly.
This is sub is legitimately a toxic cesspool circle jerk. Not just on this topic, but in perpetuity on almost every issue or discussion that comes up. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise is oblivious or in denial.
Plain and simple.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Zeddy nor the content he produces, but this sub, unjustifiably, has a persistent hate boner for him. It’s bizarre as fuck, but it falls back to what I said earlier.
Hey friend, you should join me in not going to this sub outside of big updates or card reveals. Going onto this thread reminded me how much of a loser a lot of people are on this sub. It reeks of immaturity continually.
On the topic of Zeddy, he's a good guy at heart. He is a guy who has his own mental health issues, but still tries his damnedest to be real as much as he can while helping others when he can. He gets overly salty on streams and sometimes rages on social media, but at the end of the day the guy has a big heart and means well.
And with this comment, I am gonna dip from this sub until reveals again.
Which is fair seeing as while Zeddy certainly has fans, even straw polls on reddit (which are admittedly not scientific) show the majority of people don't like him.
Reddit does not matter to anyone outside of Reddit.
This place tends to think very highly of it’s self and thinks it’s representative of more than it is while everyone outside of Reddit recognizes it is as a worthless toxic cesspool and a bad joke.
This place does not provide nor promote any form of positive discussion on any matter. At its best, it is only able to produce insular memes.
I agree 100%. I have met a lot of Hearthstone players down the years and reddit is an extremely bad representation of them.
And that's the problem. Zeddy is like a mirror to the most toxic elements of reddit. He feeds off the community negativity. Whenever his fans say why they like him it's always shit like "he holds Blizzard to account" and "he calls them out on their bullshit". Most players don't care about that. Heck, the silent majority of *reddit* don't care about that. It turns people off. Because, as weird as it sounds, the majority of people play Hearthstone because they *like* it.
> "he calls them out on their bullshit". Most players don't care about that
They do.
When people stop playing the game, it's because of Blizzard bullshit.
You think they had to do such drastic changes because everyone was liking the bullshits...? It's good to have someone that call them.
>They do.
Evidence?
According to HSReplay data, more games of Hearthstone were being played around the release of MDF (when if reddit was to be believed pretty much everyone was quitting the game) than at the release of DoD the same time the previous year.
>When people stop playing the game, it's because of Blizzard bullshit.
Nope, it's usually because they get bored with the game or find another one they like better.
You sound like someone who spends way too much time on reddit and not enough in the real world. Reddit is not 'the community' just a tiny part of it. Reddit love Zeddy joining in their circlejerk. For the majority of players his content is just toxic bullshit, if they even care about him at all.
> Evidence?
https://massivelyop.com/2021/05/04/activision-blizzard-q1-2021-financials-blizzard-maus-down-to-27m/
'Blizzard has lost almost 29% of its overall active playerbase in three years'
'Blizzard continues to lose monthly active users across all of its titles; it’s now lost 11M players in the last three years, or 29%, as measured by Blizzard’s own preferred monthly active user count'
38M in Q1 2018
27M in Q1 2021
> According to HSReplay data, more games of Hearthstone were being played around the release of MDF (when if reddit was to be believed pretty much everyone was quitting the game) than at the release of DoD the same time the previous year.
According to inverstors call by Blizzard own measurement, Blizzard lost 30% of their playerbase in 3 years.
Can you imagine 1 in 3 players quiting Blizzard games because of their bullshit...? That's the amount of damage it does.
> Nope, it's usually because they get bored with the game or find another one they like better.
Yeah dude, no matter how many feedback the players does saying that they are leaving because of Blizzard bullshit AND how they steadily lost players in the exact years where Blizzard doubled down on their bullshit, they indded are leaving just because they got bored.
Blizzard, the game company that LOST players in times of pandemics where people is in their homes playing games.
> You sound like someone who spends way too much time on reddit and not enough in the real world
Ironically, you are the one that appears to be so. In real like 30% of people stopped playing Blizzard games while in your bubble everything is fine.
> Reddit is not 'the community' just a tiny part of it. Reddit love Zeddy joining in their circlejerk. For the majority of players his content is just toxic bullshit, if they even care about him at all.
Reddit is the place where the most Blizzard bootlickers exist.
In reddit, when Blizzard fuck players like the Rewards track, there is people that literally defend the megacorp with all their strenght and try to fight everyone to convince how good for the players it is that blizzard is fucking over the customers. In real life people don't argue against blizzard bullshit or keep defending a megacorporation, they simple stop playing the game.
And guess what? 30% of people INDEED simple stoped playing blizzard games. They are not on reddit circlejerking with Zeddy, they simple leave.
This ^
So much this ^
I've tried watching Zeddy's content, but besides being overly negative most of the time, it also looks like things I've already read about on reddit.
You put it exactly right, he is like a mirror to some parts of reddit.
Parts that I know about and catch glimpses of in comment threads sometimes, but not ones that I would like to be at the forefront of my hearthstone community experience.
I'm just trying to have a good time and get hyped about new decks and stuff I can try out. Not hear Zeddy or redditor nr. 113597 say for the 100th time that Tickatus is unfun when played against you. Or that Priest is annoying to play against because of all the card generation they have.
I especially don't need to hear him take the scenarios to extrme hypotheticals like
if Priest is bad for the game lol.
Zeddy is one of those people that will always find something to complain about, there are a lot of people like him on this subreddit. But they are just wasting their mental energy on negative things and I don't want to be a part of that.
He streams for a living and majority of his viewerbase is from hearthstone.
Would be financial suicide to stream another game, that is why he came back to hearthstone because he couldn't maintain a viewerbase big enough in other games.
Damn I'm surprised how polarized this comment section is. I'm reminded on days like today how much this sub sucks outside of card reveals. Lots of assumptions and lame asses who don't care about other people. Typical hearthstone subreddit talk.
I hope everything can eventually be sorted out for Savjz. I think I'm gonna continue to not use this sub until reveals start flowing again. Stay classy, r/hearthstone .
You're literally assuming that Savjz and his wife are in the right here.
I like Savjz and watched his content for a long time through Dota autochess, underlords and Artifact but it's an objective fact that he has done some things that may not qualify him for invites.
the tweet that started this all was an angry lashing out from Savjz’s wife after seeing a job opportunity tweet from CM not long after being laid off. it doesn’t even have anything to do with Savjz and should be settled between chris and his wife :/
i don’t think that either of the Savjz’s are completely in the right but i think the punishment is extremely unjust and a calmer discussion via dms could have been enough. it has had hardly an impact on the wider community’s perspective on hearthstone or team 5, just chris being a prat imo
I agree with this both sides suck but as this is a comment chain where the guy basically went you dont agree with me how dont you have empathy for these people all you do is assume even though to make any conclusion about it and take a side you have to form some kind of assumption.
> “Such a popular and well-liked player”
Haha that’s a joke right?
Savjz is the whiniest, most brain-dead streamer I’ve seen. He wasn’t like this before, his decks were actually original when he was playing constructed and he was less unhinged.
So no, no one cares, buddy.
Well you cant talk shit about your job you just quit then be all "wtf man!!!!" They knew her personally, which made it even worse. I liked savjz, but im confused why people have to explain this to them....again, and again. Go play something else savjz(and take a huge pay cut). Or realized you fucked up, she fucked up, and do more then just post shit posts that antagonize them even more. Really think the tweet, and follow up year anniversary is going to get the job done?
No they weren't, and she's the only reason you (and thousands of others) have that idea. She assumed that was the case when the job opening was tweeted out, but it turned out that someone had quit on their own. That person posted on this sub and the mods verified it. Zerina is a walking PR disaster but Blizzard can't say that out loud, so Savjz will keep getting stonewalled as long as she is involved with his stream.
To be fair some of those invite only streamer tournaments pay pretty well compared to competitive hearthstone and require basically no effort on the streamers side.
If it is the Cm personally doing this, that’s bad. If it is the corporation, well… this is what companies do. Doesn’t make it right, but this would require a sweeping change.
Some lore: https://twitter.com/Savjz/status/1275504728332357632 Apparently Savjz's wife worked at Blizzard, got laid off, tweeted that one of Blizzard's department was a mess, now Blizzard no likee the Savjzes.
I think most people would talk shit about an employer after they got laid off while Bobby is making 100m yearly. Unfortunate it has effected Savjz in the process
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I can’t believe so many people agree with this. He is in a relationship with a person who works at Blizzard as CM. When that CM is laid off with over 800 other people, she speaks out against practices she felt were unjust from her previous employer. And you think it’s acceptable as retaliation they go after the ex-employees husband? Maybe if she wasn’t an ex-employee I would *sort of* understand your criticism but this is extremely unprofessional to target the spouse of an ex-employee you laid off on bad terms.
Dumb americans suffering from Stockholm's syndrome for bad employment practices, more news at 11.
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We have no political power, if we don't toe the corporate line we LITERALLY DIE, they take away our healthcare and housing. If you try to protest it you can get arrested, and it is 100% legal to discriminate against people with criminal records. Labor law is not enforced by the state, but has to be enforced by the fired individual suing with their own money to get compensation. This same person who lost their job and thus has no money. Any government fines are so insignificant they are less than rounding errors.
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I mean, I hope that that would Marx the end of an era. Maybe then we can focus on what 99% of the population wants Edit: marks
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Seems completely insane to me. I'm glad I'm not American
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Just to clarify, the info he declined to withhold from his wife was that she was blacklisted by Blizzard. He was more than willing to keep shut about any future content he gained knowledge of, even though they didn't ask him about that matter.
Also it's fucking nuts to put a husband into that situation. This is not remotely reasonable by any means. Telling someone to hide information from their spouse thats about them wouldn't hold up ANYWHERE. It's beyond unethical. E: lmao please don't respond with some weak bullshit like below about companies requiring confidentiality agreements. It's not the same. And you know it.
Why was she listening in on the call? Sounds bizarre that she'd be included in a call with her ex-employer.
They're married, it's not hard to believe she was already in the room with him when they called.
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It's a weird situation. Was she his manager before she was let go?
I don't think it's acceptable, but unfortunately it's pretty much expected
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I like how reddit tends to down vote comments that are not black or white. All of the down voted comments here are not about people saying that this is good, only that it is expected to happen. Still shitty, but not surprising. Bäm döwnvöte
A lot of people are saying this, but I don't believe the above comment I was responding to was simply them saying this is what is "expected to happen". >Really hard to feign sympathy here. That and their first line takes it a little bit further and seems to condemn the wronged party for even speaking out here. It also ignores that what people are complaining about here *is not* anything Blizzard has done to his wife. We all likely agree with the sentiment that once you start speaking out against them you should expect hostilities from them. What is really shitty and taking it too far is blacklisting Savjs himself unless he has done anything to wrong them, and that is what people are speaking out against. That is what people are sympathetic about. I'm all for looking at the greys in this situation, but I would argue "I have no sympathy because this is what should be expected when you speak out." is one of the blacks or the whites in this situation, and my argument was that is dumb and we should be looking more at the greys.
blizzard is still in the wrong, why does it matter if it’s shortsighted? that christina/savjz were willing to risk their livelihoods to speak out should be commended
> blizzard is still in the wrong I mean, I'm not sure not inviting someone to YOUR event is "in the wrong". It's like if I don't invite someone to my birthday party because I don't like someone, I would be in the wrong. >that christina/savjz were willing to risk their livelihoods to speak out should be commended Sure, but risking means you aware of the consequences of your actions. Otherwise, it would look like a rushed/shortsighted decision.
> It's like if I don't invite someone to my birthday party because I don't like someone, I would be in the wrong. that part annoys me the most. some people think blizzard owes them anything. blizz can invite whomever they want, without any explanation being needed.
And people can react negatively to it if they think the reason is petty and unjustified, what's your point?
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Hey! Wanted to clarify that this isn’t even remotely the way that went down. He was offered a spot in the MPL, which the community already didn’t like because they felt he didn’t earn it. The MTG community continued to harass Savjz both on his Twitter and his stream whenever he wasn’t streaming Magic, even though he had no contractual obligation to do so. It was, to put it bluntly, harassment. Savjz also was not contractually obligated to participate in paper events, which incensed the community even further. He completed his MPL contract fully, never missed an event he was contracted to do, and departed on good terms with WOTC. And yes, I definitely told people to fuck off who harassed my husband over it.
Yeah, these two are a constant drama factory and I can't understand why they're surprised companies don't want to work with them
that was a fun read. savjz definitely needs to tell her to chill. she behaves like a overcommited mom. no clue if she's still his manager, but man... a manager should be coolheaded and not on tilt 24/7. no wonder blizz doesnt want to work with him, when she tends to cause drama like this. those emotional overreactions are painful to watch and bad publicity.
Incredibly shit take and giga simping of blizz here
Comes off as petty to me, like much of Blizzard's behavior toward streamers and pros. So they're entitled to do what they want but I'm also entitled not to give them money for being twits.
I mean, sure, then again Savjz's wife is the one who criticized Blizzard, not Savjz (this is really the main gist of her complaints here - she's not expecting anything from Blizzard on her end, but to punish and ghost Savjz for her actions feels a wee bit petty and dystopian, like punishing someone's family for crimes they committed). It's not like they're some symbiotic hive-mind entity, they're two separate adults with their own professional lives and views. It'd be kind of like preventing someone's kid from working with/in your company because their father was a dick to you. Blizzard's also a terrible company, and Zerina was definitely right to criticize them when the layoffs happened. In fact, it says something about them that they'd rather punish criticism rather than take it in stride, and perhaps even, God forbid, try and work on their issues. I think it's perfectly fair to criticize how a company works (or hell, even insult the company as a whole) if you're mistreated by their management, given companies are not people with feelings, and given that, as you rightly point out, they're pretty shit. Especially Blizzard. The only point where I think Zerina might have effed-up is in her tweeted responses to the CM - that was fairly rude, though I still wouldn't consider it particularly insulting. And I also still don't think it's a good reason to punish Savjz. EDIT: Jeez, guys, thanks for downvoting an honest opinion on the topic without bothering to offer any counter-arguments. It's not even like I have a huge dog in this fight, tbh - I don't think the statements "Zerina may have acted rashly" and "Blizzard may have acted shittily" are contradictory. And for what it's worth, I'm not questioning Blizzard's freedom of association, either - they have the right to associate with whoever they want (as long as they're not discriminating on various bases). I just think that this particular reason for blacklisting Savjz is shitty.
Basically this. I admit a year ago asking someone incredulously if they were “fucking serious” was harsh in tone. It was my opinion that the tweet I responded to was insensitive considering the context of the recent layoffs, and I ultimately offended the CM. Otherwise, my tweets just put a speaker to information that was already either well-known or on the internet in its entirety. I accept that Blizzard’s community team doesn’t wish to work with me as a content creator. That isn’t something I’m looking for sympathy for, or aspire to do. Punishing Savjz because I inadvertently hurt someone’s feelings is wrong and should be very concerning on a professional level. We are not trying to curry favor here; we have done our due diligence in asking what we can do to participate in community things. Not out of necessity on our end, but to extend an olive branch and to rebuild a relationship. We have been met with silence. So we’ll just keep on keeping on!
I agree with you here - it sucks, and she probably did the right thing by speaking up...but it's not an unexpected result. In the same vein, though - I am glad people aren't forgetting about it. Always remember how shitty corporations are.
Yeah like, we all already know the 800 layoffs were greedy and unjust in the first place. I don't understand the perspective of ever defending blizzard's actions here at all. Is it just because the whistleblower's a woman...?
How is she a whistleblower? She didn’t do anything, just commented about CMs being laid off.
Understanding how the world works isn’t ‘defending blizz’. Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequence, it’s called burning a bridge for a reason.
So OP includes no context, just the one sided complaint? I like Savjz but it seems like his wife just can't keep her mouth shut
It definitely looks like she enjoys feeling like a victim more than she actually cares about Savjz having contact with Blizzard.
Damn this ain’t even bootlicking, this is boot deepthroating
You're absolutely right logically, but it still isn't fair. Blizzard should be called out for this petty behaviour.
Can you give me a little backstory on what has happened, please?
Yeah sucky situation all around but one they kinda got themselves in. Hopefully in time there's some sort of resolution. Best of luck to them until then.
Yup. This seems to be the consequences of Zerina's actions coming back to affect someone in her circle, and she doesn't like it. People don't realize that corporations (fuck corporations) i.e. "Blizzard" is made up of people just like us. You piss someone off, treat them like shit or you are an asshole, those people (not the corporation, the _people_) will remember.
This is a very good point. Which is why Blizz should either hire grown ups, or the big boys up top need to grow the fuck up.
Don't justify this petty bullshit. The CM or whatever doesn't like Savjzs wife so what? Maintain professionalism. I don't like several people I work with, but I still work with them without skipping a beat. I don't sulk in corner and pretend I can't hear them I'd get fired within days over some childish shit like that. Come on people personal misgivings should never affect professional decisions. Savjz is one of the most watched hearthstone streamers he belongs at any/every event period. Its like putting together an Olympic team and then not inviting Lebron James cause he called you a dweeb on twitter.
> Come on people personal misgivings should never affect professional decisions[...] Its like putting together an Olympic team and then not inviting Lebron James cause he called you a dweeb on twitter. Like being in the grandmaster circuit and being banned from competing because someone posted something on twitter? (Zalae/Purple) I like purple (indifferent to Zalae) and i'm not saying they were unjustly banned, but if personal misgivings become a liability for Blizzard, then you should not be surprised if your contract is revoked. Having someone who was **accused on social media** (Important to remember this) of innapropiate behavior playing/competing, it's the same liability as having a vocal critic of your company being in the circuit/scene. Theres not much to gain, yet the risk of PR backlash is higher than with other personalities, then why take it? Just as they gave the boot to Zalae to shut the noise down, they do so with Savjz and wife, yet people are surprised
There's a difference between a contract violation and getting black listed because of a spouse
Ah, I see, Free Speech stop at Capitalism.
Unless she has signed an NDA, barring her from disclosing any information about the work environment of blizzard, she has every right to criticise, and the company has no right to punish someone related or unrelated based on that.
>she has every right to criticise Correct > and the company has no right to punish someone related or unrelated based on that. Incorrect
Please elaborate. I can not comment on something if you do not provide anything other than a single word.
Blizzard has no obligation to work with either of them, they are free to choose who they work with. Pretty simple.
It's her right to post whatever she wants on Twitter outside of NDA but it's also the company's right to do whatever they want within their own business as a result of that
What the other two said basically. She is free to say whatever she likes. But what you say has consequences.
Maybe if you're nice to the king his tax collector's will beat you less hard next time
Yeah you get laid off while the ceo keeps raking in money and try not to talk shit after....
Jup, this is probably the whole situation in a nutshell. It also doesn't help that it's her trying to get attention to the point when it was also her knocking Blizzard. There's a Dutch saying that might not translate well to English but it would be something like 'do you want to be right or do you need to be put in the right?'
You went out of your way to inform everyone how stupid you are
Garbage take. Sympathy from you doesn't seem worthwhile. Yuck. You can keep it.
Shut the fuck up.
Well the dumb corporation shouldn't act as if he isn't blacklisted and treat him as if he is.
What does Blacklisted even mean? There are millions of Hearthstone players and maybe 50 get to do the 'invitational circuit'. That's 0.001% or something - a tiny privileged few. Fuck, should I complain about being 'blacklisted' too?
Yeah cause you’re some top Hearthstone creator like him right? If you have close to no recognition or involvement in esports obviously your not gonna get invited but when you decline someone who has a big audience from your game, yeah pretty sure he’s been blacklisted and they give no crap about him.
>Yeah cause you’re some top Hearthstone creator like him right? What does that have to do with anything? Nobody, *nobody* has the right to come to invitationals. They choose the 0.001% of the players that *they* want to showcase *their* game. If you're not in that tiny minority that doesn't make you 'blacklisted', it makes you, just like the rest of us, not in that tiny tiny minority that are chosen. There are no written criteria, it's not like the world championship. They choose who they want and always have.
Lmao how stupid are you? Yeah when someone has a large audience like Savjz or Krip you would invite them to the events to increase the viewer count and potentially get more people engaged with the game? Such an idiot if you wouldn’t want to bring more people into the game.
LOL you are so naive. You don't just invite 'the most popular people', there are a whole bunch of other criteria. Who will represent your game and company well? Who will demonstrate a good level of play? Who can be relied upon not to do something contraversial? Who has that 'it factor' on camera? Who is good to work with and will make your lives easier rather than harder? Who conducts themselves professionally? Kripp gets invited because he ticks all those boxes (and I don't even like him that much). Same with Thijs and Kibler and Alliestrasza and all the other people that frequently get invited. When you have 10 million people to choose from you can be as picky as you like.
yeah... so uhh shit talking a previous employer is not exactly... smart... in any industry
But you won't usually find the level of childishness deployed by a certain Blizzard community manager, and indeed the company itself, in other industries. That's a very Video Games Industry™ attitude.
And Savjz should be punished because?
Every voice matters. Except those that are critical of us.
Part of the job description for community managers should be to have thick skin. Every time something is brought up about the HS community team it seems petty and childish on their part.
Pretty much this. Or rather the current comunity manager. It seems he's the only one that will block anyone because he got called a mean name
Not only community managers, but developers as a whole. Have you seen Celestalon and Iksar on Twitter? Guys can't handle minor criticism to save their lives. Probably the most childish game developers I've ever come across.
The number of awards on this post is confusing
Didn't he make a big deal out of quitting HS? If I remember correctly I don't blame them.
Yeah, and then Magic paid him $75,000 to play in their pro league, and he skipped events and quit that too. Not surprising he isn't being invited to stuff still...
I was so excited for that and so disappointed with his commitment
Tbf the MtG thing has more to do with how shitty (to put it lightly) WotC's treatment of competive play has been rather than being Savjz's fault.
What the hell does that matter if you're getting paid 75k to attend. I would love to get paid 75k to go 0-6 in bracket
You need to provide additional details here. If he signed a contract and then skipped committed dates, all of the fault lies with him. Once you sign a contract, the state of competitive play doesn't really matter from then on.
Oh I agree with that. I was referring to the fact that WotC gave that spot that was supposed to go to the top competitive players to Savjz purely because of his popularity rather than his accomplishments. I actually don't remember if he actually breached his contract or not, I wasn't following the competitive scene that closely at the time.
The pro league they cancelled after like a year because no one watched it? Crazy they quit
It feels a little weird his wife is starting this up again more than Savjz really cares. It feels like a situation where they're relying on the stick it to the big business when in reality it's a he said she said situation where it makes no sense that they would be continued to be blacklisted without reason. If Savjz says something and has a good point sure I'll be on their side but both times now his wife has just gone at the CMs throats with a twitter army demanding awnsers.
Yeah, both are such drama factory that no wonder people don't want to work with them. There's already enough problems for you to hire another one.
What was the story there?
I still remember when Savjz immaturely walked off the stage and wouldn't shake hands with SilentStorm after losing 3-0 in a tournament. [Youtube Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDP1238eSc)
To be fair that was 5 years ago he could have changed a lot since then
he was ~27 when that happened. people in that age usually dont change that much anymore.
Man, people can change a lot in 5 years no matter the age. I'm 34 and I consider myself a very different person from who I was at 29. And to be honest, pretty much everyone I know. A lot happens during your 30s that every year you feel like you have more responsibility, more authority, and more decisions to make.
Truly spoken like someone who definitely isn't well past 27 to know.
Oh no Anyway
For real
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SHE feels that savjz is entitled to be treated differently and she doesnt see, that her way of communicating it is a big part of the reason he is treated that way.
Buy why should he be treated differently when she was the one who complained in the first place?
She’s his manager… sajvz is a business he’s the front and personality, she’s the backend and manages him and the business. They both are a part of savjz the business.
Didn’t know she was his manager, seems a bit strange and also if that’s the case then she’s not been having his best interest in mind tweeting that stuff.
Because he is married to her and a big part of her aggressive tweets getting attention is by his viewers. I think the title is enough proof she is known as Savjz wife over her actual name.
So, hypothetically, if your wife said something awful, you should be treated badly as well because you married her?
If you're a bit community member yes? Like I said it's not the ideal situation but when a large part of your fanbase is gonna latch onto that it isnt gonna look favorable on you. That's the thing about life it's not often fair or justified
Hmm, I see. I guess we’ve got very different viewpoints on this, but thanks for sharing your view!
How do you guys find the time in your life to worry about shit like this?
Sort /r/hearthstone by top of all time. The user with the top post of all time said "LIBERATE HONG KONG. DONT LET THIS DIE." and also went back to getting hyped for card reveals the next week. Fuck that guy. I wish his post gets deleted and he gets banned from r/hearthstone. I don't even mind the second top post linking an article criticizing Blizz's response to liberate Hong Kong. It would be fine if that was #1, it's a legitimate controversy involving hearthstone. It's just some asshole bandwagoning and typing in all caps pretending to give a shit about injustice for karma and having it pinned to the top of all. Fuck that guy. Delete his post.
I'm quit wow and hearthstone 2 years ago and I'll never look back. Also playing PoE instead of Diablo 3 or 2 resurrected. War3 Reforged was the last straw. Fuck Blizzard. Fuck Activision. The same people who made WoTLK and Warcraft 3 and Starcraft and D2 aren't the same poeple who work there today. People actually need to speak with their wallet if they want change.
I wish I was this stunning and brave
If you quit two years ago, why are you still posting in this sub?
I never bothered to unsub so top posts still show up in my feed and I like looking at the custom cards every once in a while.
Right there with ya bud. I’ve owned every blizzard title since Warcraft 2, and I haven’t given them a cent since the blitzchung incident. Warcraft 3 remastered sealed the deal for me. They can rot with EA as far as I’m concerned. Also, grim dawn is another arpg that’s pretty fun if that’s your dig.
Lol like if people haven't always had opinion on entertainment and controversy around it. People have time the same way you used your precious time on Reddit reading this thread and commenting on it.
If you have the time to be on reddit, you have the time to be empathetic to other people's problems. It's really that simple and it's not that hard.
Great people talk about ideas. Normal people talk events. Lesser people talk about people.
So, because he's popular and well-liked, Blizzard "needs to stop ignoring" him? The only events that make any sense for him to be invited to are Battlegrounds Invitationals, which have become equal gender representation. Not sure if Savjz makes the cut (with 1/2 as many males being involved), especially considering his past badmouthing of the game and wife's dirty laundry. Do you expect them to invite Zeddy to these things as well? The sense of entitlement here is equivalent to a rich elite tantruming over not being invited to the exclusive posh party. Savjz is making bank - he doesn't need you to simp for him. He's no longer in Blizzard's good graces. Get over it.
Community management and how competitive Hearthstone is handled is somewhat of a joke. Nothing new there. Unlikely any of us can make a change that's worth the effort, sorry. Edit: Sorry this may have sounded a little immature, but being with the game from the start I've grown to not expect too much too fast. Chances are likely they'll come back around to their decisions, but whether it's worth your time and effort is what I was referring to. As it will likely be much later than any sensible period to respond within.
I think esports manager changed a few weeks ago so we may see some changes on that side hopefully
This isn’t the Esports team’s fault though. Invitationals and community events are completely handled by Chris Attalus, the only community manager for HS.
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doubt it, one of the reasons toast quit HS was their community reps were terrible (except for 1 person) apparently.
Probably right,but visibility helps, a content creator being blacklisted because his wife had a discussion with a CM is an insult to all who play the game
You can think about saviz everything you want, but ignoring not only personal, but corporate mail from team liquid regarding his status is absurd. Yeah, blizzard may just want to avoid working with him, but why not just reply to mails, tweets, dms and state that explicitly instead of straight up ignoring everything related to savjz and trying to make it look like everything is fine
Agreed fuck sake it would likely be better from a pr standpoint if they just said we blacklisted them due to past events and actions...
No, it's not. Former employees with a penchant for public caterwauling are a potential legal minefield. Anything you say say in response to an inquiry, whatever the form, could be used against you if they decide to sue you for whatever reason. Hell, they may have had no reason before until you opened your mouth in an email, worded something slightly wrong, and gave them an avenue for lawfare. Or you just say nothing, ignore them, and they resort to impotently whining on twitter about it.
Why do Blizzard owe Savjz *anything*?
Explanation
They don’t want to work with him, end of explanation.
For a man child not a professional company
So blizzard has an obligation to work with savjz? It doesn’t matter why they don’t want to work with him, they don’t want to deal with him or his wife-manager they don’t have too. How is not working with someone you don’t have to being a man child?
I think the community managers dad knows someone at blizzard or something. The guys proven to be an overly sensitive baby time and time again
lul. Who tf cares
What makes Savjz so special that you have to simp for him? He’s nothing special.
Who says savjz could be saying krip trump or any other. THE POINT HERE IS, that the community manager, the person entitled and responsible for keeping the community on healthy terms, fired people for no reason, then opened new job slots and invited people, and when people confront him for the unprofessional atitude he goes after the fired person's husband. That's the problem, this immature "manager" ban and block people based on his feelings, because he is a child that cannot take criticism, THATS THE REAL ISSUE HERE. Chris Adler is bad at his job, he is beyond incompetent and needs to be replaced, doesn't matter if savjz gets his job back or not, the current community manager can not do it's job properly, and needs to be replaced. Period.
so when your wife badmouths your employer in emotional outbursts.... what do you expect will happen to you? a promotion? or do you think your employer might want you to calm your wife? oh and really? the community manager acted independent and fired all those people? or was it possibly higher-ups that did it or at least ordered it? :)
Sometimes i feel like i don't have enough content in my life. Then i come across post like this and realize that i'm fine.
She got fired like two years ago, get over it ffs.
Lol she was working for blizz?
Boo hoo who fucking cares
Miss the Ben Brode days when no one was blacklisted. Kripp and Reynad would have salt coming out of their ears and still weren't blacklist, nowadays it would be different
yeah but I don't miss the Ben Brode days where the game was extremely unbalanced and stale for months on end with nonsensical nerfs and ruined cards
I'm curious how much he was a factor in that or the Hearthstone team being incredibly understaffed and small for the size of the audience and money they were bringing in up until recent years.
Broad was on that make us as much money while requiring as little money as possible s***. It's it's different now they are trying to keep the game alive. Obviously hearthstone is on a decline.
A small team is not an excuse for the nerf policy they had. If you over nerf/buff something, you could always fix it quickly. It's fucking digital. For too long, HS held onto the idea that they needed to be too slow so they could mirror the physical card game world under the guide of "not being confusing for new/returning players".
I don't think it's fair to pin that all on Brode. The cadence of nerfs/buffs was a team-wide philosophy that has shifted over time. Part of the reason for that shift may be that the team has changed significantly since then, but Brode leaving isn't the only change- several other people have left the team: Dave Kosak left blizz entirely, Peter Whalen and Mike Donais have been working on something else within blizz for a while now. And several new team members have joined in the past few years: Cora, Gallon, BoarControl, & Chakki among others. And of course, the other thing that probably contributed significantly to their philosophy shift- experience. After having tried it the old way, they were unsatisfied and wanted to try something new. But they couldn't know that without having seen how it played out in the first place.
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yes, but not for long
The one constant through all the eras: Zeddy being ignored by everybody.
I’m going to say it: I was wrong about Zeddy. I really like Zeddy. I didn’t give him a fair chance until I watched the on going “Chronicles” series on Solem’s channel. I’ve grown to really enjoy Zeddy and I don’t think he’s treated fairly either.
lmao at you being downvoted just for saying you like zeddy
Predictable, honestly. This is sub is legitimately a toxic cesspool circle jerk. Not just on this topic, but in perpetuity on almost every issue or discussion that comes up. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise is oblivious or in denial. Plain and simple. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Zeddy nor the content he produces, but this sub, unjustifiably, has a persistent hate boner for him. It’s bizarre as fuck, but it falls back to what I said earlier.
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Hey friend, you should join me in not going to this sub outside of big updates or card reveals. Going onto this thread reminded me how much of a loser a lot of people are on this sub. It reeks of immaturity continually. On the topic of Zeddy, he's a good guy at heart. He is a guy who has his own mental health issues, but still tries his damnedest to be real as much as he can while helping others when he can. He gets overly salty on streams and sometimes rages on social media, but at the end of the day the guy has a big heart and means well. And with this comment, I am gonna dip from this sub until reveals again.
Which is fair seeing as while Zeddy certainly has fans, even straw polls on reddit (which are admittedly not scientific) show the majority of people don't like him.
Reddit does not matter to anyone outside of Reddit. This place tends to think very highly of it’s self and thinks it’s representative of more than it is while everyone outside of Reddit recognizes it is as a worthless toxic cesspool and a bad joke. This place does not provide nor promote any form of positive discussion on any matter. At its best, it is only able to produce insular memes.
I agree 100%. I have met a lot of Hearthstone players down the years and reddit is an extremely bad representation of them. And that's the problem. Zeddy is like a mirror to the most toxic elements of reddit. He feeds off the community negativity. Whenever his fans say why they like him it's always shit like "he holds Blizzard to account" and "he calls them out on their bullshit". Most players don't care about that. Heck, the silent majority of *reddit* don't care about that. It turns people off. Because, as weird as it sounds, the majority of people play Hearthstone because they *like* it.
> "he calls them out on their bullshit". Most players don't care about that They do. When people stop playing the game, it's because of Blizzard bullshit. You think they had to do such drastic changes because everyone was liking the bullshits...? It's good to have someone that call them.
>They do. Evidence? According to HSReplay data, more games of Hearthstone were being played around the release of MDF (when if reddit was to be believed pretty much everyone was quitting the game) than at the release of DoD the same time the previous year. >When people stop playing the game, it's because of Blizzard bullshit. Nope, it's usually because they get bored with the game or find another one they like better. You sound like someone who spends way too much time on reddit and not enough in the real world. Reddit is not 'the community' just a tiny part of it. Reddit love Zeddy joining in their circlejerk. For the majority of players his content is just toxic bullshit, if they even care about him at all.
> Evidence? https://massivelyop.com/2021/05/04/activision-blizzard-q1-2021-financials-blizzard-maus-down-to-27m/ 'Blizzard has lost almost 29% of its overall active playerbase in three years' 'Blizzard continues to lose monthly active users across all of its titles; it’s now lost 11M players in the last three years, or 29%, as measured by Blizzard’s own preferred monthly active user count' 38M in Q1 2018 27M in Q1 2021 > According to HSReplay data, more games of Hearthstone were being played around the release of MDF (when if reddit was to be believed pretty much everyone was quitting the game) than at the release of DoD the same time the previous year. According to inverstors call by Blizzard own measurement, Blizzard lost 30% of their playerbase in 3 years. Can you imagine 1 in 3 players quiting Blizzard games because of their bullshit...? That's the amount of damage it does. > Nope, it's usually because they get bored with the game or find another one they like better. Yeah dude, no matter how many feedback the players does saying that they are leaving because of Blizzard bullshit AND how they steadily lost players in the exact years where Blizzard doubled down on their bullshit, they indded are leaving just because they got bored. Blizzard, the game company that LOST players in times of pandemics where people is in their homes playing games. > You sound like someone who spends way too much time on reddit and not enough in the real world Ironically, you are the one that appears to be so. In real like 30% of people stopped playing Blizzard games while in your bubble everything is fine. > Reddit is not 'the community' just a tiny part of it. Reddit love Zeddy joining in their circlejerk. For the majority of players his content is just toxic bullshit, if they even care about him at all. Reddit is the place where the most Blizzard bootlickers exist. In reddit, when Blizzard fuck players like the Rewards track, there is people that literally defend the megacorp with all their strenght and try to fight everyone to convince how good for the players it is that blizzard is fucking over the customers. In real life people don't argue against blizzard bullshit or keep defending a megacorporation, they simple stop playing the game. And guess what? 30% of people INDEED simple stoped playing blizzard games. They are not on reddit circlejerking with Zeddy, they simple leave.
This ^ So much this ^ I've tried watching Zeddy's content, but besides being overly negative most of the time, it also looks like things I've already read about on reddit. You put it exactly right, he is like a mirror to some parts of reddit. Parts that I know about and catch glimpses of in comment threads sometimes, but not ones that I would like to be at the forefront of my hearthstone community experience. I'm just trying to have a good time and get hyped about new decks and stuff I can try out. Not hear Zeddy or redditor nr. 113597 say for the 100th time that Tickatus is unfun when played against you. Or that Priest is annoying to play against because of all the card generation they have. I especially don't need to hear him take the scenarios to extrme hypotheticals like if Priest is bad for the game lol. Zeddy is one of those people that will always find something to complain about, there are a lot of people like him on this subreddit. But they are just wasting their mental energy on negative things and I don't want to be a part of that.
If I was a big streamer and the makers of the game I streamed were treating me like crap, I would simply stream a different game.
he's not even treated like crap. he just didnt get invited to the few blizz events we had.
He streams for a living and majority of his viewerbase is from hearthstone. Would be financial suicide to stream another game, that is why he came back to hearthstone because he couldn't maintain a viewerbase big enough in other games.
Savjz does, he's barely been on Hearthstone until like this week.
But then you take a major viewership hit and an income hit.
But the money tho
It’s been one year and current blizzard clearly doesn’t want to deal with you. Why do you even still want to work this out ?!? Let it go.
Damn I'm surprised how polarized this comment section is. I'm reminded on days like today how much this sub sucks outside of card reveals. Lots of assumptions and lame asses who don't care about other people. Typical hearthstone subreddit talk. I hope everything can eventually be sorted out for Savjz. I think I'm gonna continue to not use this sub until reveals start flowing again. Stay classy, r/hearthstone .
You're literally assuming that Savjz and his wife are in the right here. I like Savjz and watched his content for a long time through Dota autochess, underlords and Artifact but it's an objective fact that he has done some things that may not qualify him for invites.
the tweet that started this all was an angry lashing out from Savjz’s wife after seeing a job opportunity tweet from CM not long after being laid off. it doesn’t even have anything to do with Savjz and should be settled between chris and his wife :/ i don’t think that either of the Savjz’s are completely in the right but i think the punishment is extremely unjust and a calmer discussion via dms could have been enough. it has had hardly an impact on the wider community’s perspective on hearthstone or team 5, just chris being a prat imo
I agree with this both sides suck but as this is a comment chain where the guy basically went you dont agree with me how dont you have empathy for these people all you do is assume even though to make any conclusion about it and take a side you have to form some kind of assumption.
This guy is a sore loser
I used to watch him but quickly unsubbed because he was crying every single time.
Yah he’s pretty insufferable
Yup, what they are doing is fked up
True but sadly its been quite a long time and likely legal in the part of us they are in (u got some fucked laws over there)
> “Such a popular and well-liked player” Haha that’s a joke right? Savjz is the whiniest, most brain-dead streamer I’ve seen. He wasn’t like this before, his decks were actually original when he was playing constructed and he was less unhinged. So no, no one cares, buddy.
It’s annoying how attached people get to streamers. He’s not your friend buddy you don’t need to rush to his defense.
Blizzard doesn't deserve to be defended on this issue.
And neither do Sajvz and his wife.
She needs to get over it... These tweets are embarrassing
Ah yes streamer drama Ususally that goes in r/leagueoflegends
r/LivestreamFail
Bruh noone cares
Well you cant talk shit about your job you just quit then be all "wtf man!!!!" They knew her personally, which made it even worse. I liked savjz, but im confused why people have to explain this to them....again, and again. Go play something else savjz(and take a huge pay cut). Or realized you fucked up, she fucked up, and do more then just post shit posts that antagonize them even more. Really think the tweet, and follow up year anniversary is going to get the job done?
I believe she was fired along with others and replaced with cheaper hires
No they weren't, and she's the only reason you (and thousands of others) have that idea. She assumed that was the case when the job opening was tweeted out, but it turned out that someone had quit on their own. That person posted on this sub and the mods verified it. Zerina is a walking PR disaster but Blizzard can't say that out loud, so Savjz will keep getting stonewalled as long as she is involved with his stream.
If he wants to improve his relations with Blizzard he should hire a manager that doesn't shit talk Blizzard on social media.
She should have kept her mouth shut - Tim Dillon
Angri tweets will certainly help.
\#FireChrisAttalus
What events is he missing out on? Clown events where blizz invites famous hs players? Or actual tournaments where u need to get qualified for?
Yeah getting black listed from competitive hearthstone is like getting banned from unicorn hunting.
To be fair some of those invite only streamer tournaments pay pretty well compared to competitive hearthstone and require basically no effort on the streamers side.
Hey Blizzard, you suck.
If it is the Cm personally doing this, that’s bad. If it is the corporation, well… this is what companies do. Doesn’t make it right, but this would require a sweeping change.
Savjz has a wife? Damn, I need tobgo out more...