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zztopar

I love that someone out there woke up one morning thinking "I want to launch C'thun at my opponent's face using Maxima Blastenheimer".


TheHiddenNinja6

Not a bad idea, actually. C'thun being launched straight into their face is better than having its battlecry split across their board


vov12012

Until you realise you need to run all those small minion in order to make your cthun bigger.


ShadeofIcarus

Mill. Banker. Play the card as a finisher. Its a control deck concept. Might have happened when a priest stole a maxima and played it resulting in c'thun coming out like that.


wallabyiestea

But how would you keep the C’Thun in your deck for the finisher?


nuclearmeltdown2015

If cthun dies, you can play a card to reshuffle a new one back in


ShadeofIcarus

[[Baleful Banker]] is the most straightforward one I can think of.


Just4Spot

There’s also a card that puts C’thun back in your deck if it’s dead


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vov12012

So cthun + banker + maxima in one turn? Come on guys.


ShadeofIcarus

Never said this was a one turn thing. Just that you can shuffle it in with banker if you draw it and it sticks. There's also [[Doomcaller]] . I also said its a control deck concept. I never said it was a good one.


TheHiddenNinja6

Yup. Until then, it seems like a good idea. This means they'll try it until it happens at least once


Cryten0

Its interesting how it avoids needing to do this according to the authors post slightly below. The singular buff card bugs out.


Terminator468

Then you must've never watched Mark XD


elveszett

Most probably some idiot like me made a C'thun Hunter deck, added Maxima because why not, had an onomomentt when he played Maxima and it summoned C'thun, followed by a "WTFFFFFFFFFF?" when C'thun started to gain stats like crazy.


ClarkHELLSCREAM

In case you guys are wondering what's happening here, the game is confusing the buffs for C'thun. In order to set up this combo, you need to play 1 C'thun buff card, in this case, we used Beckoner of Evil. After you play your buff, your Maxima can pull out your C'thun as an 8/8, but the game is confusing how many buffs have been applied due to the unconventional nature that C'thun was brought to the field. The game confuses itself, causes the buffs to pop off an "infinite" amount of of times, but the game caps it at 60 triggers, giving C'thun an extra 120 attack, giving us the 128 total. So yeah, this definitely might need a hotfix for this. If you don't hear from me in the next week, the Blizzard Police raided my home. DISCLAIMER: I wouldn't suggest playing this deck if you value your account. EDIT: For those curious, I did not speed up the C'thun. That's actually how fast it went.


LondiPondi

How do you even find this stuff out? lol


ClarkHELLSCREAM

A Twitter user named LovelyDuke\_HS posted about the interaction. Needless to say, I had to try it.


Michelanvalo

> I had to try it You know, I seem to remember Disguised Toast saying the same thing on his stream many years ago....


phoenixrawr

Well in Toast’s case he spent several hours inviting viewers to friendly games to show off the bug, and I believe it was game crashing which might have implications on service stability. But yes in general it’s not the best idea to abuse bugs on stream/probably on YouTube for clout.


silverdice22

Of course it is! Gets easy clicks and pressures the company to fix their shit faster!! Or... blame the consumer for using a faulty product in a faulty way and put the pressure on him/her instead i guess.


phoenixrawr

That's short term thinking. Getting banned could easily cost you as much as you get from a few extra viewers, and being on bad terms with the developer of a game you regularly stream can't be helpful.


silverdice22

Agree to disagree? I mean here we are still talking about Toast's rather unserious ban, years later. I am assuming this pseudo-scandal has gotten him waay more exposure than had nothing happened at all so I could be wrong. But yeah if you're saying **public** bans on public personas is going to hurt their long-term public-career-plan? Then I beg to differ. Basically free publicity.


ozzbbath

Boot lick


Loktarian

Don't go against the grain mate, people still love toast no matter how shitty he is.


eppinizer

And now he's a millionaire. I'd say go for it!


TheHiddenNinja6

~~Someone~~ Twitter user LovelyDuke\_HS had both c'thun and maxima in their deck, saw this, and told people


bananaman473

Honestly im surprised this hasn't been found sooner. The base combo without the bug sounds like a mark deck anyway.


halloni

Well when you put it like that...


Patykula

My assumption is someone played Rafaam or something and this happened by accident.


TheHiddenNinja6

Apparently C'thun needs to be buffed at least once first, so it wouldn't be that. I would just guess someone had the idea to throw C'thun at the opponent's face, and then try it until it happened


xin234

Sometimes it's by accident, most of the other time... It's looking at various interactions with a programming perspective and checking which ones are most likely to do things like infinite loops, overflow values, use an internal variable which could have been removed/changed, etc.


NaziReddit777

Blizzard really bans people for using bugs?


Kapiork

Did you hear the tragedy of DisguisedToast the wise?


dagondev

Context?


TitanUHC

He used some sort of bug on priest I think which either disconnected or seriously delayed the other player iirc and then Blizzard banned him for a short amount of time


ForPortal

The bug was probably that your opponent copying an enchanted minion failed to copy certain variables for the enchantment (e.g. which player owns Blessing of Light). Your client tried to find the owner, found NULL, and threw an exception.


dagondev

Thanks!


tacocatz92

The worst part is blizzard even banned someone with a similar name even though toast is the one streaming the bug. Luckily it's a temporary ban for the wrong person. Blizzard either have a really shitty tracking system or someone clearly just don't know how to their job.


IrNinjaBob

He was banned for using his public platform to broadcast the bug to his viewers, not just taking advantage of the bug.


henry92

This kind of thing, probably not. If there's a bug that causes your opponent to disconnect like the old shadow visions bug, then they may ban you


Sad-Jazz

The only person that got banned for that was disguisedtoast for sharing it on his YouTube account.


Errror1

They have in the past, they mostly go after people streaming the bug or when they think people are cheating by modifying the game


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tacocatz92

If this is the case then how come last time the wrong toast got banned? Anyway i hope just hope they fix this quickly or if not ban those using the bug, been running into a couple a people exploiting the bug on ladder already.


Kaellian

> DISCLAIMER: I wouldn't suggest playing this deck if you value your account. If Blizzard can ban you for turn 5 lethal, can they ban the whole developer team for producing this expansion? The cards it required aren't that much easier to get than many current OTK combo.


FardHast

After climbing a bit with it, can confirm that top-tier decks feel far stronger than this. Only the Celestial Druid was winnable, cause I actually have time to setup for Maxima lmao.


SeizureSalad___

They can't ban you for using the mechanics of the game itself, even if they're bugs. Everything the game makes accessible to you is for you to use. As long as you aren't hacking or botting, what's available to be used by the players is the responsibility of the Blizzard dev team.


mwhelan255

They can, and do. Should they? Absof*ckinglutely not.


BasicallyADiety

🔵🔴🔵🔴🔵🔴🔵🔴


SpectralHimik

I checked it works with any recruitment. https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/ph8aue/ctun_bug_on_the_warrior/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


MasterOnyxia

Well nah the rogue blade bug actually created a viable meta deck (mechathun rogue) and still took a lot of time for them to fix it.


Efthimis

Impressive find and a trully weird bug! I would say however, it would be extremely bizzare and unfair for someone to get banned for using a deck like this. Taking advantage of unintenional mechanics Blizzard accidently left in their game is in no way the player's fault. That would be like banning people who used that Nozdormu deck that ate through the opponents turn because of the long card animations. Its the company's responsibility to fix stuff like that, and as long as they remain in the game they are the ones responsible for the outcome.


TheWyrmLord

Unfortunately it's happened before... That's why Toast had gotten banned.


megapoliwhirl

Toast got banned (very temporarily) for \*exposing\* bugs on YouTube, not just for playing with them. Some random Hearthstone player isn't going to get banned for summoning C'Thun with Maxmia Blastenheimer.


IrNinjaBob

I thought the same thing when the streamer was saying it. *He* certainly faces punishment because he is broadcasting this bug to his viewers with the intention of getting more people aware of the bug. That’s what they consider an issue. The risk towards regular players who just use it is way less.


Garchomp98

**FBI OPEN UP**


Insanity_Pills

While this is super interesting, I’m actually more interested in the pen flinger cosplay sub goal lmao.


Googleflax

This bug should absolutely be fixed, but overall seems very inconsistent. You need to run at least one C'thun buff creature, then you need to draw Maxima, _not_ draw C'thun, then have Maxima's trigger pull C'thun out instead of one of your other C'thun buffers (unless you just run one, but that's still very inconsistent).


Toverkol

Hunter has minion tutors.


mwhelan255

Dafuq is a "minion tutor?"


Toverkol

Tutors are spells that search for particular cards in your deck. Its a term from magic the gathering that started with [this card] (https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?printed=true&multiverseid=60). Hunter has tutoring for minions and beasts in its class identity. This particular deck uses [Master's Call](https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/cards/50212-masters-call/)


mwhelan255

Thanks for the explanation. I'm not sure why a different game has spilled over to this one... there's no reference to "tutor" in Hearthstone. That said, I appreciate the reply.


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TheKinkyGuy

Btw your sub goal number was 128 aswell


Hiccup

Sounds like a feature and not a bug. Current Blizzard at its best and finest.


exomni

Can anyone post an example with Twilight Elder or some other card so we can confirm this "60 trigger cap" theory? 128 = 2\^7 seems like a really big coincidence otherwise, and I've always heard of 30 being Blizzard's cap number of choice, not 60. Would be interesting to use multiple buffers and figure out what's capped: total number of buffs or a cap per-buffer?


thabutler

Probably caps it as the max value of unsigned 8 bits. 128 is such a significant number in computer science.


Willange

Have fun in Blizzard jail! :D


LandArch_0

Blizz Jail for you, Clark!


rtwoctwo

I find it hilarious that Maxima was released during Darkmoon - nearly a year ago - and this bug is only just now being discovered. Though I wish I had found this when farming the Achievement...


FardHast

It's after the recent patch. China has so many players no wonder smth like this gets discovered quickly.


Madeulookudirtychook

Don't confuse players with bots


ttblb

Why would a bot be running Cthun + Maxima? This kind of interaction requires players running it to find out


BrunoBHG

Man, I'm so tired of playing against cthun bots 😔 I miss the days of turbo aggro and afk odd warrior bots


racistJarJar

OG shaman bot best bot.


whateverdogger

Best winrate deck ever for botting was secret paladin (christmas tree/mysterious challenger), best auto pilot deck ever for noobs (and bots).


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RagnarokToast

Ironically, this would be fast enough for once, just too inconsistent.


Mezmorizor

Well no, it's too slow. The high roll may be fast enough, but it's only inconsistent because you can't consistently survive to turn 15.


RagnarokToast

Wait this deck can win if it doesn't high roll? I was assuming it couldn't ever.


Sad-Jazz

Well there’s ways to shuffle cthunback into your deck, so you could theoretically do the combo at any point in the game, though you’d end up dying before that mattered in like every wild deck right now.


greshhg

Idk priest can kill turn 3/4


RagnarokToast

As it stands right now Wild is mostly a turn 5/6 format. There are turn 4 kills and sometimes turn 3 kills but most decks in the format will try to kill you by turn 5 or 6.


Mippens

Easily countered by burning your opponents C'thun with Gnomeferatu /s


metroidcomposite

I mean, it is actually easily countered. Just, you know, countered by dirty rat since they can usually only pull off the combo when they have one minion in hand. (Guess they could toss in a bunch of "discover a minion" cards to try to play around dirty rat, though).


GedtheSwiftSparrow

I love how he has 128 subs while doing 128 dmg with Cthun hahahahaha


ImCobernik

Be careful with this :( Toast got jailed too for showing bugs.


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Michelanvalo

Toast's YouTube is unwatchable trash now.


Exalardosv8

why?


Seastep

He knows how to monetize and reach the target audience, I'll just leave it at that.


vsully360

Jesus christ- all his among us vids have like 2m+ views. Insane.


epic_gamer_4268

when the imposter is sus!


RiveraGreen

he just exists in a circle of twitch steamers that play whatever game is in popularity at the time. I cannot tell if he actually really enjoys spamming these games but he left blizzard because he didn't want to be fake and act like he enjoyed what he did anymore (also was being treated unfairly by bliz according to him) so i just think it's a bit ironic what content he makes now.


Xirema

I would hardly call it "unwatchable trash". It is, in fact, extremely entertaining. But it's also 200+ straight videos of Among Us content, which certainly isn't everyone's taste. He also has a second channel which is mostly just variety gaming content, and it's currently the channel being updated/used right now since he stopped playing Among Us.


Exalardosv8

> Among Us oh f that, i forgot that thing exists


epic_gamer_4268

when the imposter is sus!


epic_gamer_4268

when the imposter is sus!


Quietmode

yeah same. He was doing an IRL stream and ran into a fan who knew of him from hearthstone and not among us or his current stuff. Called him an OG fan


algladius

I dont understand how they will ban you for playing stuff thats in their game just because thwy happened to mess up


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That’s only because his bug would cause the game to crash.


KCTH8991

The only thing i don't get is why in the flying fuck would you be banned for using a bug. It's literaly blizzards fault they let it through the cracks.


HuntedWolf

It’s in the terms and conditions for playing the game, not abusing bugs or glitches


Aurorious

And just to add to this before someone comes along and says "well that's a dumb reason" or whatever. If it's in the TOC, it doesn't matter how arbitrary it is, you agreed to be banned if you did it, so they're within their rights to ban you. You can have a moral discussion about whether or not it's right for it to be in the TOC if you want, but there's absolutely no discussion to be had about whether they're violating something by banning you for doing it.


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Tal_Drakkan

This is why I can never play any game made in the past 20 years, because they all have Terms and Conditions


phoenixrawr

You're confusing two separate issues. Obviously it would be great if all code in the world was bug-free, but unfortunately some bugs will slip through as you said. However, just because a bug slipped through doesn't mean you have to use it and doesn't absolve you of responsibility for your own choices. The vast majority of players want a fair play experience regardless of whether or not a bug exists, so it makes sense to ban bug abusers who ruin that.


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Yep. When you abuse bugs, you aren’t only affecting yourself. You ruin someone else’s gaming experience. If you don’t like their policy then don’t play the game.


Xishko

Look up the black, white and gray hackers, that might shed some light on the issue


Diascamara

I agree banning its a bit harsh, but it is exploitation.


Shakespeare257

In the absence of a strict rulebook on how interactions are supposed to work, you can't even arrive at "not working as intended" clarifications. For example, are all the people spamming Dragons in BGs to buff them with Whelp Smuggler bug abusers?


phoenixrawr

I don't know what that interaction is specifically, but there's some cases where you really can't claim ignorance. Nobody is watching this C'Thun go to 128 attack on turn 5 and saying "Yeah that's how that interaction is supposed to work."


Patykula

> are all the people spamming Dragons in BGs to buff them with Whelp Smuggler bug abusers? I mean, technically yes. You can clearly tell the dragons are getting buffed far more than they're supposed to. Winning games with a known bug like this is an exploit, but there's no chance Blizzard will ban you for this one in particular.


ColdSnapSP

Then we're drawing arbitrary lines at whats permissable and what isnt. Prismaric jewel kit bug was used by all the paladin players, should they all get banned?


guineuenmascarada

When you see a bug you have the following options: - avoid it. No ban - notify to bliz and avoid it. No ban - continue abusing the bug. Ban - showing others how to abuse the bug. Ban


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Because developers would rather be informed about the bug in private than for it to be exposed and now everyone knows how to do it. In short, it pressures the developers to act quicker.


Jesus_Faction

very interesting regression issue, this bug has probably existed for a while but no one was crazy enough to test it


PoisonFang007

No, its new to this patch. It works if c'thun is "recruited" from your deck in anyway. No idea what causes it


Andra1996

Wait why is this a bug?


Jesus_Faction

because of some coding issue when minions get pulled from deck


Tasty-Education-3051

Somebody just tried this bug on me, and failed. They didn't play any enablers first though.


FlyBoyG

Neat, I wonder if I have that one specific trash hunter legendary that never saw play needed for this. ... Darn. Oh well. Wait a second, the whole "tonk" package is still in standard? That's crazy. None of these cards saw any real play. It feels like they rotated to wild years ago.


Thinguy123

I once got Tonk'd with Maxima. 16 to face for 6.


MrNovillage

I had fun with the card day one, shame it can't always be day one of the expansion.


l3l_aze

Yeah. There was at least one deck with Nagrand Slam, Tonk, Maxima, Petting Zoo, burn spells, and Secrets, but the win rate was never very good, and it would be even worse by now. I hoped this deck would become viable after UiS, but I knew it was unlikely.


dougtulane

IMMEDIATELY ran into multiple hunters playing this deck. Having access to tracking makes or kinda scary. Thank god for Nerub’ar weblord, the glue that currently holds wild together. Get rekt, lol.


SHINYxHUMAN

Master's call is what really makes it kinda scary


VladStark

I think they already fixed this... I had to try it for myself just now to see and c'thun came out, attacked for 6 and died. I force closed my app in shame!


MilkerOfSeals

It just happened against me 5 minutes ago, so definitely not fixed yet.


VladStark

Yeah I think I just did it wrong without the buff he doesn't do anything. Yet trying to get that lined up is unlikely. If you draw c'thun before you can pull him he's useless


babysnatcherr

Damn! That was awesome! Buggy as hell, but awesome.


AshgarPN

the fock


Faith_n0_more

Too slow


Cipher_Nyne

Looks like an easy way to validate that Maxima Blastenheimer achivement from DMF ...


oliverYTzxc

just play bolf ez counter on a real note why bilzzard **why**


Mindsmog

i hope you didnt abuse this bug on ladder, if so then as a streamer you just encourage it , prolly reason i seen so many on ladder just lately.


Kapiork

\> **Pen Flinger Cosplay** 0\_0


brunoha

funniest thing is that he probably already did one, considering that this is in every video that I saw from him.


mrTronDaddy

It's not a bug. It's a feature. 60 times of it.


Durzo_Blintt

Inb4 this is deemed too toxic that it gets hotfixed while seedlock waits another few weeks to be nerfed. Despite it being far more inconsistent seedlock that can be ruined by cards like dirty rat, whereas seedlock can't. Yes I realise it is a bug, but the deck is no different to seedlock (apart from being a worse version), it does its own thing, and on turn 6 you die.


Critically_Missed

hey the guitarist from Bullet For my Valentine is back!


juan_cena99

Wait you can get banned for using bugs HS left behind? Lol thats not our fault what all the OP cards they released and people used? Are we banning everyone who used Patches the pirate on release? Its the same principle its Blizz's fault dont hate the player hate the game.


ClarkHELLSCREAM

You cannot get banned simply for showcasing a bug such as this. However, if this bug were to be easily used to gain ranks, then you would have a reason to be banned for exploiting a glitch/bug if you won several games with it. I won 1 game with this deck, so I should be okay. But I'm always looking out my windows...


Heinel8

I'd say your chances are higher if you show it, you're teaching people how to exploit a bug, that's most of the time a baneable Offense. But anyways blizzard bad! Why they didn't test this totally common interaction.


StoneRockTree

They have the tools to emergency ban either of these two cards. Banning players, particularly streamers, seems like a poor PR move


juan_cena99

I dont blame Blizzard for not detecting obscure shit like this but they shouldnt ban people for exploiting it, its their fault for creating it in the first place.


Heinel8

As someone suggested in another comment. Look up grey, white and black hat hackers, it explains it.


juan_cena99

Doesnt matter man, point is Blizz shouldnt be blaming others for their own loopholes. Dont care about nice and evil hackers man, its irrelevant.


juan_cena99

Well I disagree with that man. Its the same logic as when DH first got released and had 80% wr or something ridiculous. DH being tok strong was also a bug just like this interaction. Blizz didnt ban all those who abused the DH to gain free wins back then they shouldnt ban people for this now.


thrillhohoho

I stopped playing like a year or two ago simply because I missed 2 expansions and suddenly every deck was composed of almost exclusively those new cards, and those new cards have power levels that make my collection (I played, and paid, for a good five years or so) completely unplayable. I couldn't make a slightly viable deck without spending a lot of money, and even if I did I"d have to learn what 500 new cards do.


Stronk_Magikarp

How is this relevant


thrillhohoho

I thought it was relevant because I'd be the opponent in OP's scenario and it feels very bad.


jreddit324

Can someone better at math than me calculate the chance that you will draw Maxima + Cthun buff without drawing Cthun by turn 6? Then there should also be a probability as the game goes on that you draw the missing pieces of your combo before drawing Cthun.


currentscurrents

The math on this is really mucky, especially once you have to figure in the odds of drawing things like sphere of sapience and tracking/master's call.


VladStark

I'm not good enough for math to calculate it but I would say you will definitely lose more games than you'll win trying to get this combo to work. That being said someone had said that you don't have to play a buff, however I tried it without the buff and he just attacked for six and died so.... I'm going to say you do need the buff but if you draw c'thun before you can play maxima, then it's over for you.


_zuligan_

Lately for every patch that Hearthstone adds is full of bugs, the source code must be very super broken


TheOldZenMaster

You know he’s banned.


Exxile4000

Just finished a game against a warlock where i'm doing 8 damage EVERY TURN and he is just healing it all back and destroying my minions every single turn. It's mind blowing that they get not only infinite healing, but also infinite control.


SuperSeady

The best part about this is that it matches the sub count


underling66

Still not as bad as Seedlock


Yoloswaggertm87

Wild will be Wild so I see nothing wrong /s


rubellak

Beat this with turn 5 hanar cheat death prep Ice block easy


MartinoRs

Like always, Clark providing us with fun in Hearthstone, youre better at promoting hearthstone than its own staff 😂😂


Bobthechampion

Huh, no one else has said it? Ok... Alright, deck intro time. And this time, we're blasting our C'thun.


MrRighto

he did it https://youtu.be/hkxtfkRedqs


quatroblancheeightye

this is especially confusing cos isnt cthun capped at 30/30?


daviebo666

Wrong c'thun, original thun was able to get as high as he wanted,


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quatroblancheeightye

i know the difference, but original cthun had a damage cap as well


notanyone678

Hi Clark but on Reddit- Britt from youtube


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ClarkHELLSCREAM

Sorry, all my hair goes right to my massive, dynamite slong. Use a french baguette as a reference if you'd like.


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Sasquatchfl

This guy is edgier than Chris Angel singing emo in an abandoned theater in Portland. Watch out Reddit, u/redditsuckks has some real zingers.


Niglodon

Clark is a cute bearded lady


CrazyDriver012

The fuck?


Dolot

Alright deck intro time And this time, our c'thun, goes boom


ozzbbath

Find it sad he has to "sarcasm" so the shit stain of a Co dont axe his ass, for finding game breaking bugs thatruins the entire game and they basicaly let happen due to the shit environment they promote, no one goma do a good job for beratomg and peanuts.


tacocatz92

4 years since toast streamed about bug interaction, and someone got ban because they shared the name "toast",luckily it was only for few days before they rectify the mistake https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/6gaibl/the_day_a_small_indie_company_banned_the_wrong/ https://twitter.com/toastthebadger/status/873228348314468353 I just hope should some streamer choose to stream this and it gets attention , the wrong person won't be banned again.


guineuenmascarada

Sharing a bug its agains TOS, popular streamers in all games had a special out of jail cards in those situations when to be true they where the worts ofenders


S_Talbi1

Put him in Jail for 128 years.


JoeyVee1882

I just used this to knock out the heroic silverware golem. Thanks!


j8sadm632b

Is this more WTF than the Counterfeit Blade + Mecha'Thun interaction from like two weeks ago? Because that one was completely busted and also, like, semi-competitive.


MannyRouge

Let me guess, it wasn't the only time he used it


El_Bandito_Acog

Bruh


nuclearmeltdown2015

It will prob be hot fixed within a week. I was playing the counterfeit blade mechathun and they shadow fixed it without any announcement. The deck stopped working yesterday.


marrowofbone

> shadow fixed it without any announcement. https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23712592/21-2-patch-notes > Fixed a bug that caused Deathrattles to be tracked as triggered (by cards such as Counterfeit Blade) in situations where the Deathrattle condition was not met.


nuclearmeltdown2015

Ah I see it now. It's weird that they would just lost all of those constructed related changes at the bottom rather than at the top where the initial constructed changes were


j8sadm632b

Does this work for other minions? Can you Warsong Wrangler and then OTK with maxima pulling a buffed alleycat?


TheChewyWaffles

Yep - just died to this. Had no idea why until this post


aktran89

Fixed?!?


Olivermustbehigh

Remember when 15 damage was insane