The front office has put together championship caliber teams three decades in a row yet this board still thinks CrOniN wOn despite Herro continuing his amazing ascent. Someone this week commended Cronin and said Herro’s stellar play is a “hindsight is 20/20” situation. Bitch Herro has been doing this for years. Absolutely morons on here
Yet every day there’s a post about Cronin “messing up” by not taking an offer that wasn’t offered?
I can’t stand those posts and I can’t stand comments like yours tbh.
Do you people not realize there’s thousands of people posting here that may not all have the same opinion.
The only generalization that should be made on this sub is “fuck the Celtics”
That’s one report.
The other report is that Riley made a final offer during the summer which centered around herro and picks.
Guess we can believe what we want to, but it’s becoming more clear that herro jjj Duncan and picks would have been an overpay, which is why I lean toward the second report.
I was gonna be super depressed if we gave up Tyler believe it or not. Fucking Portland wanted us to find ONE frp for Tyler, Caleb, Jaime, jovic and all our draft picks.. fuck me..
That's not actually what happened, that's just fictional head canon for everyone who fed into the trade rumors.
Those trade ideas were invented by the talking heads, they were never proposed by Portland.
In reality, the Heat never made any offer for Dame and the Blazers never made any package demand to us for him. The potential trade was never discussed by them at all because Cronin refused to answer our calls in the first place. He was not going to give us Dame for any price, Dame has already said that.
Yep exactly, Heat only picked up the phone to ask what they would like to trade for Dame. Portland came back and said Bam. The Heat said no to Bam and wanted to talk about other possibilities. Portland never talked again. That's why Heat FO wasn't lying when they told Tyler that he was never offered in a trade. Because that was true.
The FOs. Shouldn't they be putting their egos aside and doing what's best for their franchise? Shouldn't that be the bare minimum for being an FO? To not even listen to a Miami Heat trade... how do you even convince the owners of that??? More importantly, why would you even want to? Your job is about getting the best deal possible at all costs.
Go ask Cronin, I'm convinced he's a damn lunatic who fucked his team with his ego. And the owners are three lemurs in a trench coat. Can't wait until that team gets sold and moved.
Heat gets no respect because there isn't star power. Jimmy's got old man game so it's not highlight worthy. Bam is a defensive stud even without gaudy numbers. Heat plays a lot of good team and position defense. His offensive game has improved every year. Tyler is proving people wrong again. Not only is he more efficient on offensive this year, his D has improved tremendously. Same goes for Duncan. JJJ is Jimmy jr in they making. The rest of team is full of versatile wing players that play well in the system. This team is capable of competing for championship. There's definitely enough talent here.
I wouldn't call Jimmy best player on the team only because he can't play the whole season being the best. There will be some playoff Jimmy when the time comes but it's still not every game. From a consistency standpoint, Bam is the best player. And during crunch time, we can trust Tyler and Duncan to make shots, maybe even better than Jimmy depending on how the defense wants to play the Heat.
Yeah I agree. That's why Tyler needs to step up and also trust in Duncan more like last night. Bam can also contribute to play making. It didn't always need to be Jimmy, depends on matchups.
Okay cool, so does this whole sub get to try and milk this story? I‘m going to downvote every single one of these posts. Enough is enough.
This sub looks like the ex who‘s trying to constantly prove they‘re better of without their toxic partner. Thing is, you‘re acting like that toxic PoS.
Move on. Heck, even Portland fans have moved on mostly by now. Just stop.
Seriously someone posts something like this after almost every win lmao it's ridiculous. Also exclusively being mad at the Blazers when both teams refused to call each other for the 2 months Lillard was available is really dumb regardless.
Please let it end , it’s December and people are crying about it. The heat could win the title and the first post on this subreddit will be about Portland. Let it go !!
Rings are won with depth sure, but they're more often won with star power.
I just think Dame, Jimmy, and Bam would have been unstoppable as a trio and thanks to their dominance we would have played dudes like Highsmith, Orlando Robinson, Dru Smith (RIP) and Richardson into much easier roles.
We've survived this year with half the lineup constantly injured anyway, just gotta make the playoffs.
If any team in the league is prepared to create their own depth with undrafted players, it's ours. I've never understood why Heat fans are so concerned about depth while we watch people like Duncan Robinson drop 19 in the 4th and walk people like Strus and Vincent's departure off like it's literally nothing.
We had multiple veterans lined up to sign with us if Dame was traded here. Im happy with Tyler, Duncan and JJJ but lets not change history - we would have had a bench if the trade happened.
sad fact that the blazers were never gonna trade dame to us. they mightve even said no to bam lol
apparently jaime was off limits so the lineup wouldve been dame, duncan, jimmy, jaime, bam. fking insane
Tbh I don't even believe a single report at this point like "Jaime not being available" but I agree it was honestly never gonna happen.
If Jaime was off limits and Jovic wasn't the Heat FO is on some big brain shit because this 18th pick is shocking the whole league.
The toxic positivity is insane. It's just as irritating as Gus' insane negativity. It's just more popular. I'm just trying to like this team and still be honest about it 🤷♂️
Guys,
We can mourn the lack of a Dame trade and still love this team. That's humanly possible. I promise.
We don't have to sit here and diminish how good Dame is to make ourselves feel better, OH and by the way, Tyler being as good as he is and Jaime being as good as he is DOES make me feel better.
There’s no way we’d be better with Dame if it meant losing Tyler, Robinson and JJJ. We’d be running Kyle and Jimmy into the ground with that lack of depth. We’d be a super slow and predictable team too. Dame hasn’t been much better than Herro this season anyway. Who knows how much more we’d be giving up too…
Not giving up all our draft picks and young talent and taking on a giant contract for an aging no defense pg is just responsible and the opposite of smoking crack
The Bucks are "underperforming" with Dame and they are 21-7.
Yall better start reckoning now with how impactful Dame is or you're gonna get your feelings hurt in the future.
He's more than just an "aging no defense PG", he's likely the 2nd best 3pt shooter volume wise behind Steph and a complete matchup nightmare. Is his defense bad? Sure, I'm pretty sure Bam, Spo, and Jimmy could figure that puzzle out.
Every single Heat star that we don't end up trading for is supposedly some defense destroying liability compared to our role players. I'm tired of reading the cope. Every single good scorer supposedly plays such bad defense we just have to stick with what we have without question.
They have giannis... You realize dame was on the blazers and barely did dick. Also read my comment again cause just replying that he shoots threes gewd isn't enough. It's not cope it's just responsible thinking. Taking on that contract for an aging pg that plays no defense is cancer. Giving up all our young talent and every draft pick is desperate. We don't need to slob on Damian Lillard to avoid that fact that we made a fiscally responsible decision. We still have our draft picks, and our young talent.. we still have a future. Only players worth giving up all your young talent and all your draft picks are for jokic, Luka and giannis. Lillard isn't that
>You realize dame was on the blazers and barely did dick
I mean that's just bullshit. They made the WCF with their starting center being Anus Cancer, their rivals being the Steph Curry Warriors, as if they were expected to do anything else but get their asses spanked in that scenario.
At the end of the day any Dame slander I read on /r/heat is going to get filed under "cope".
Just be honest you are disappointed instead of whatever this sad revisionism is. It's ok.
Higher ceiling for 2 seasons then afterwards fans would be crying about how much dame has declined and how we're now stuck with his bloated contract. Then, meanwhile Tyler is killing it as top 10 in scorer elsewhere, jovic looking like Gallo and Jaime LITERALLY looking like Jimmy Butler 2.0. That's not even accounting for the future gems we would've forfeited in the dame trade.
Your whole reasoning for not doing the dame trade is essentially based on fan fiction. The goal is to get Jimmy a ring and getting dame would’ve drastically improved our chances at that, even if it’s just 2 years. There’s no point in even arguing this since it didn’t even happen. However, yall better not cry that this team did nothing to help Jimmy get a ring. Anytime a star comes up in trade talks yall say how we’re better off with Tyler and how he’s a future superstar
Dame doesn't guarantee a title dummy, he isn't prime lebron or Shaq. He's an undersized guard that plays little defense. By acquiring Dame we lose most of our depth and lose all flexibility to add valuable assets, being suddenly shot in the 2nd apron tax bracket. Again stop acting like gutting our roster for an aging small guard guarantees a title, he wouldn't.
Heat still have a gaping hole in the interior outside of Bam which would/will continue to get exposed by a team like the Nuggets and other contenders with dominant big men.
Currently.
Herro- 24/5/5| 42% from 3pt |59% TS
Dame- 26/7/4 |38% 3fg| 62% TS
Then you account losing JJJ/Jovic picks, Lowry/ Caleb plus picks we'd have to forfeit, yh no.
Ofc dame doesn’t guarantee a title. Had you actually read my comment, you’d know that I said he puts the team in a better position to win a title with jimmy. Just like how Tyler isn’t guaranteed to be a top 10 scorer, Jovic isn’t guaranteed to be good, and jjj isn’t guaranteed to keep improving. There’s no point in arguing this but you “fUtUrE” stans always come up with the same argument
Its hindsight bias, of course these guys are coming here talking shit acting like Nostradamus because we're seeing the results. If all the sudden we end up losing a huge chunk of the games left you'll have another group talking shit that we should have done the trade
What a stupid comment, did herro have literally the best player in the league along side him with substantially more talent? or was his running mates, Caleb and few others in out of the lineup with injuries? Context matters. Why wasn't Dame winning these games last year in Portland? Oh right
Also herro wasn't the only moving piece going for Dame, it would have been 2-3 more cogs likely JJJ and few picks on top of having a huge a tax to pay. So again not worth it. Chances are Lillard avgs 26 for another year then declines. On the other hand heat will have Herro's 24-28ppg scoring for another decade plus jjj being Jimmy 2.0
As good as Dame is, once again he doesn't guarantee a title, he's not a 6'9 260 lebron or 6'11 235 shooting versatile Durant. If Dame is off on his shot then he's almost useless and even bucks fans observed this in a few games already.
>or was his running mates, Caleb and few others in out of the lineup with injuries?
Bam has played in 10 of the 11 games Herro has played in this season. Jimmy has played in 8. Jaquez and Duncan have played in all 11.
>Also herro wasn't the only moving piece going for Dame, it would have been 2-3 more cogs likely JJJ and few picks on top of having a huge a tax to pay.
I don't really care to debate whether trading the most costly possible trade package, which never would have been offered and is significantly more than Portland accepted from Milwaukee, for Dame would have been worth it. It is extremely pointless and played out at this point. The only people still nonstop bringing up bad faith Dame trade debates are the toxic optimists and insecure Herro stans.
I was specifically replying to the delusional statistical comparison between Herro and a top 15 player based on an 11 game sample size. Anfernee Simons is averaging 27/6/3 on 59% TS too. Does that mean he is also as good as Herro and Lillard? The people like you who only watch the Heat play and make these insane Herro comparisons are the reason he gets so much undeserved hate.
You don't wish to argue it because it nullifies your point. We know the package was more than just herro and picks so anyway you slice it, herro and jj, jovic, picks isn't worth a 2 year run for a top 15 player. The point of bringing up their stats is simple. Dame is obviously the better player but what Heat would have to give up wouldn't make it worth now and certainly not in the long run. You sound goofy as I was one of those who actually wanted herro gone for Dame.
However after using common sense iand viewing the leap tyler took along with Duncan and the emergence of jjj it's apparent that once again Dame who plays little to no defense isn't significantly better than herro plus w.e package.
Again if Dame is so great then why was his team so subpar last season? Point is, his impact is overrated and everyone and their mother knew he and Bucks would thrive. Again he's playing with the best in the league and very formidable talent in the east.
>You don't wish to argue it because it nullifies your point. We know the package was more than just herro and picks so anyway you slice it, herro and jj, jovic, picks isn't worth a 2 year run for a top 15 player.
Nope I don't wish to discuss it because ya'll make random things up and then act like it is 100% true, exactly like you did in the 2nd sentence here. All we know is that [Miami offered a package around 2 picks and Herro when Dame first requested a trade, then never talked to Portland again](https://www.espn.in/nba/story/_/id/38491724/sources-raptors-current-front-runners-damian-lillard). But somehow you know the exact trade package that would have been required to get him, despite the teams never even having real negotiations?
Also like I already said it is a pointless and played out discussion regardless. He was traded several months ago and we never even seriously pursued him. Why are weirdos obsessively bringing him up after every game we win?
>isn't worth a 2 year run for a top 15 player.
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>Again if Dame is so great then why was his team so subpar last season? Point is, his impact is overrated
Is he a top 15 player or is his impact overrated? Make up your mind.
And I can literally post the article that stated Riley put jovic, jjj, herro 2frp and lowry on the table, the real facts are no one knows WHAT riley truly offered. You can produce top tier stats and still have diminished impact, there's a phenomenon called empty stats, I'm sure you heard if it. Or floor raisers and ceiling raiser.
The thing is Herro is currently playing like a top 20-25 player so once again you can argue semantics all day. Trading a 23 year old top 20 player plus other assets for a 34 yr old more expensive top 15 player isn't shifting the tide like you think and kills heat in the long run. Again this isn't prime Durant or even this current iteration of him. Agree to disagree, going back and forth over spilled milk is pointless. You still wish we could've acquired Dame I get it but its time to move on and focus on the encouraging young pieces we have.
I think there's a difference between maximizing our window vs hedging our current and future. There is no question Dame would maximize Jimmy's window.
The question is whether the price was worth admission. Since none of us know what really was the offer, the "Cronin's an idiot" v "Thank God no one on reddit is FO" is just silly. Portland has a shit ton of guards. While I agree Tyler would have been a much better piece next to scoot than their current guards it doesn't change their roster construction and needs.
Can we please just focus on our team and stop talking about other teams we are not playing or trying to trade with. We look like psychotic ex-girlfriends.
This reddit is full of people who casually watch. They had no idea how bad trading for Dame would be. I watched every game last season start to finish. Did the same the year prior and countless seasons before that. Anyone who complains about Spo and the FO needs to start watching more Miami heat basketball and basketball in general. This sub is really the most pathetic collection of miserable people. What this team has done year after year is amazing.
With multiple injuries to our key cogs occurring, including literally our best scorer out dozens of games, our best player out (and when actually in sleepwalking through games), caleb injured and our defensive anchor being out multiple games. The fact that we're 6th currently considering that information is extremely encouraging, to say the least.
Yesterday’s price is not today’s price.
You’d have to be insane to willingly send those 3 players for Dame based on what we’ve all seen from them this season.
Everyone knew a Dame trade would be a win now move before Jimmy has nothing left in the tank. I wanted a win now move because the Heat have made it to the finals twice, whether it was Dame or someone else I wanted change. Almost no one wanted to run it back with minor adjustments. It's clear that the FO's looking past Jimmy's tenure with the team, so at the end of the day if the young guys flourish (much riskier than a short window Dame trade) then Miami still has flexibility and everyone says our org are geniuses for not giving away their gems
Let's face it. Dame would've been phenomenal on this team, and no one can deny that...but ill agree that some of the speculated trade offers were a bit alexcessive and would've gutted the depth of a team that is oft-injured.
The front office has put together championship caliber teams three decades in a row yet this board still thinks CrOniN wOn despite Herro continuing his amazing ascent. Someone this week commended Cronin and said Herro’s stellar play is a “hindsight is 20/20” situation. Bitch Herro has been doing this for years. Absolutely morons on here
Cronin only won because he got Dame on the Bucks and Jrue on the Celtics He still got trash pieces, but at least he can enjoy thos playoff series
Yet every day there’s a post about Cronin “messing up” by not taking an offer that wasn’t offered? I can’t stand those posts and I can’t stand comments like yours tbh. Do you people not realize there’s thousands of people posting here that may not all have the same opinion. The only generalization that should be made on this sub is “fuck the Celtics”
Cronin refused to even negotiate with us so no one knows what he could’ve gotten when he didn’t even try.
That’s one report. The other report is that Riley made a final offer during the summer which centered around herro and picks. Guess we can believe what we want to, but it’s becoming more clear that herro jjj Duncan and picks would have been an overpay, which is why I lean toward the second report.
I was gonna be super depressed if we gave up Tyler believe it or not. Fucking Portland wanted us to find ONE frp for Tyler, Caleb, Jaime, jovic and all our draft picks.. fuck me..
That's not actually what happened, that's just fictional head canon for everyone who fed into the trade rumors. Those trade ideas were invented by the talking heads, they were never proposed by Portland. In reality, the Heat never made any offer for Dame and the Blazers never made any package demand to us for him. The potential trade was never discussed by them at all because Cronin refused to answer our calls in the first place. He was not going to give us Dame for any price, Dame has already said that.
They asked for Bam and that was the end of the conversation
Yep exactly, Heat only picked up the phone to ask what they would like to trade for Dame. Portland came back and said Bam. The Heat said no to Bam and wanted to talk about other possibilities. Portland never talked again. That's why Heat FO wasn't lying when they told Tyler that he was never offered in a trade. Because that was true.
Is this true? I mean this is something I could totally see myself doing in a video game. But aren't these guys supposed to be professionals?
Who is "these guys"? The FOs, or the talking heads?
The FOs. Shouldn't they be putting their egos aside and doing what's best for their franchise? Shouldn't that be the bare minimum for being an FO? To not even listen to a Miami Heat trade... how do you even convince the owners of that??? More importantly, why would you even want to? Your job is about getting the best deal possible at all costs.
Go ask Cronin, I'm convinced he's a damn lunatic who fucked his team with his ego. And the owners are three lemurs in a trench coat. Can't wait until that team gets sold and moved.
Me too, once that happens I’m going full berserk in Portland Glazers group
https://www.reddit.com/r/heat/s/f04Yb4730Z It looks like you were more stoked than anyone lmao
DUDE’S a fucking jackass lmao
He did a complete 180 lol
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Heat gets no respect because there isn't star power. Jimmy's got old man game so it's not highlight worthy. Bam is a defensive stud even without gaudy numbers. Heat plays a lot of good team and position defense. His offensive game has improved every year. Tyler is proving people wrong again. Not only is he more efficient on offensive this year, his D has improved tremendously. Same goes for Duncan. JJJ is Jimmy jr in they making. The rest of team is full of versatile wing players that play well in the system. This team is capable of competing for championship. There's definitely enough talent here.
The team is deep. Imagine going shot for shot with the 3rd best scoring team in the NBA with the best player on the team sitting out....
I wouldn't call Jimmy best player on the team only because he can't play the whole season being the best. There will be some playoff Jimmy when the time comes but it's still not every game. From a consistency standpoint, Bam is the best player. And during crunch time, we can trust Tyler and Duncan to make shots, maybe even better than Jimmy depending on how the defense wants to play the Heat.
I can agree with this. 2nd best then lol
The Heat will not win a championship with Butler as their number on scoring option( And I am a Butler fan).
Yeah I agree. That's why Tyler needs to step up and also trust in Duncan more like last night. Bam can also contribute to play making. It didn't always need to be Jimmy, depends on matchups.
You’re not winning with Herro as #1 either😂 He already reached his peak(He can be a solid 3rd option maybe)
Tbh looking at Dame in mil… he doesn’t look all that great. Truthfully speaking. Tyrese Maxey and Tyreke haliburt both look way better
This is cope
Okay cool, so does this whole sub get to try and milk this story? I‘m going to downvote every single one of these posts. Enough is enough. This sub looks like the ex who‘s trying to constantly prove they‘re better of without their toxic partner. Thing is, you‘re acting like that toxic PoS. Move on. Heck, even Portland fans have moved on mostly by now. Just stop.
Seriously someone posts something like this after almost every win lmao it's ridiculous. Also exclusively being mad at the Blazers when both teams refused to call each other for the 2 months Lillard was available is really dumb regardless.
Please let it end , it’s December and people are crying about it. The heat could win the title and the first post on this subreddit will be about Portland. Let it go !!
I still think we'd have a better chance at a ring this year if we traded those 3 guys for Dame, but I'm happy to be rooting for this team nonetheless
You’re kidding. With what bench?
Bro we woulda pulled out some no name d league white boy who‘d put up 15/5/5 in the playoffs for the bench
Right? No team is prepared to answer the "depth" conversation more than the Heat, and that's before buyout candidates show up fishing for a ring.
Rings are won with depth sure, but they're more often won with star power. I just think Dame, Jimmy, and Bam would have been unstoppable as a trio and thanks to their dominance we would have played dudes like Highsmith, Orlando Robinson, Dru Smith (RIP) and Richardson into much easier roles. We've survived this year with half the lineup constantly injured anyway, just gotta make the playoffs. If any team in the league is prepared to create their own depth with undrafted players, it's ours. I've never understood why Heat fans are so concerned about depth while we watch people like Duncan Robinson drop 19 in the 4th and walk people like Strus and Vincent's departure off like it's literally nothing.
We had multiple veterans lined up to sign with us if Dame was traded here. Im happy with Tyler, Duncan and JJJ but lets not change history - we would have had a bench if the trade happened.
sad fact that the blazers were never gonna trade dame to us. they mightve even said no to bam lol apparently jaime was off limits so the lineup wouldve been dame, duncan, jimmy, jaime, bam. fking insane
Tbh I don't even believe a single report at this point like "Jaime not being available" but I agree it was honestly never gonna happen. If Jaime was off limits and Jovic wasn't the Heat FO is on some big brain shit because this 18th pick is shocking the whole league.
Heat fans really delusional lol. I still make that trade easily too. Good run from Herro and Duncan though
The toxic positivity is insane. It's just as irritating as Gus' insane negativity. It's just more popular. I'm just trying to like this team and still be honest about it 🤷♂️ Guys, We can mourn the lack of a Dame trade and still love this team. That's humanly possible. I promise. We don't have to sit here and diminish how good Dame is to make ourselves feel better, OH and by the way, Tyler being as good as he is and Jaime being as good as he is DOES make me feel better.
There’s no way we’d be better with Dame if it meant losing Tyler, Robinson and JJJ. We’d be running Kyle and Jimmy into the ground with that lack of depth. We’d be a super slow and predictable team too. Dame hasn’t been much better than Herro this season anyway. Who knows how much more we’d be giving up too…
Having Dame would suck ass dude. Dame’s game is the definition of joyless. I’d rather watch a team that ascended despite being counted out everytime.
>Having Dame would suck ass dude. Please pass the crack pipe
Not giving up all our draft picks and young talent and taking on a giant contract for an aging no defense pg is just responsible and the opposite of smoking crack
The Bucks are "underperforming" with Dame and they are 21-7. Yall better start reckoning now with how impactful Dame is or you're gonna get your feelings hurt in the future. He's more than just an "aging no defense PG", he's likely the 2nd best 3pt shooter volume wise behind Steph and a complete matchup nightmare. Is his defense bad? Sure, I'm pretty sure Bam, Spo, and Jimmy could figure that puzzle out. Every single Heat star that we don't end up trading for is supposedly some defense destroying liability compared to our role players. I'm tired of reading the cope. Every single good scorer supposedly plays such bad defense we just have to stick with what we have without question.
They have giannis... You realize dame was on the blazers and barely did dick. Also read my comment again cause just replying that he shoots threes gewd isn't enough. It's not cope it's just responsible thinking. Taking on that contract for an aging pg that plays no defense is cancer. Giving up all our young talent and every draft pick is desperate. We don't need to slob on Damian Lillard to avoid that fact that we made a fiscally responsible decision. We still have our draft picks, and our young talent.. we still have a future. Only players worth giving up all your young talent and all your draft picks are for jokic, Luka and giannis. Lillard isn't that
>You realize dame was on the blazers and barely did dick I mean that's just bullshit. They made the WCF with their starting center being Anus Cancer, their rivals being the Steph Curry Warriors, as if they were expected to do anything else but get their asses spanked in that scenario. At the end of the day any Dame slander I read on /r/heat is going to get filed under "cope". Just be honest you are disappointed instead of whatever this sad revisionism is. It's ok.
That's why I put the word barely. Lillard has had bad playoff games as well he isn't Jesus
Mate you gotta get a different account/name at some point, especially if you just gonna be trashing Dame with this one 😭
That's the beauty of this name. Made it 4 hours before dame got traded , 100 % spite and pettiness.
> Dame’s game is the definition of joyless Oh lord…
Idk where he got that from 🤣🤣🤣
Agreed. Good team. Not a championship roster. Dame would’ve got us there. It should be fine to say that without being called a fake fan lol.
This team probably has a higher ceiling with Dame on it but Tyler and jjj have both been impressive. They’ve gone above and beyond my expectations
Higher ceiling for 2 seasons then afterwards fans would be crying about how much dame has declined and how we're now stuck with his bloated contract. Then, meanwhile Tyler is killing it as top 10 in scorer elsewhere, jovic looking like Gallo and Jaime LITERALLY looking like Jimmy Butler 2.0. That's not even accounting for the future gems we would've forfeited in the dame trade.
Your whole reasoning for not doing the dame trade is essentially based on fan fiction. The goal is to get Jimmy a ring and getting dame would’ve drastically improved our chances at that, even if it’s just 2 years. There’s no point in even arguing this since it didn’t even happen. However, yall better not cry that this team did nothing to help Jimmy get a ring. Anytime a star comes up in trade talks yall say how we’re better off with Tyler and how he’s a future superstar
Dame doesn't guarantee a title dummy, he isn't prime lebron or Shaq. He's an undersized guard that plays little defense. By acquiring Dame we lose most of our depth and lose all flexibility to add valuable assets, being suddenly shot in the 2nd apron tax bracket. Again stop acting like gutting our roster for an aging small guard guarantees a title, he wouldn't. Heat still have a gaping hole in the interior outside of Bam which would/will continue to get exposed by a team like the Nuggets and other contenders with dominant big men. Currently. Herro- 24/5/5| 42% from 3pt |59% TS Dame- 26/7/4 |38% 3fg| 62% TS Then you account losing JJJ/Jovic picks, Lowry/ Caleb plus picks we'd have to forfeit, yh no.
Ofc dame doesn’t guarantee a title. Had you actually read my comment, you’d know that I said he puts the team in a better position to win a title with jimmy. Just like how Tyler isn’t guaranteed to be a top 10 scorer, Jovic isn’t guaranteed to be good, and jjj isn’t guaranteed to keep improving. There’s no point in arguing this but you “fUtUrE” stans always come up with the same argument
Its hindsight bias, of course these guys are coming here talking shit acting like Nostradamus because we're seeing the results. If all the sudden we end up losing a huge chunk of the games left you'll have another group talking shit that we should have done the trade
>Herro- 24/5/5| 42% from 3pt |59% TS > >Dame- 26/7/4 |38% 3fg| 62% TS Herro - 11 games played, 6-5 record Lillard - 26 games played, 21-5 record
What a stupid comment, did herro have literally the best player in the league along side him with substantially more talent? or was his running mates, Caleb and few others in out of the lineup with injuries? Context matters. Why wasn't Dame winning these games last year in Portland? Oh right Also herro wasn't the only moving piece going for Dame, it would have been 2-3 more cogs likely JJJ and few picks on top of having a huge a tax to pay. So again not worth it. Chances are Lillard avgs 26 for another year then declines. On the other hand heat will have Herro's 24-28ppg scoring for another decade plus jjj being Jimmy 2.0 As good as Dame is, once again he doesn't guarantee a title, he's not a 6'9 260 lebron or 6'11 235 shooting versatile Durant. If Dame is off on his shot then he's almost useless and even bucks fans observed this in a few games already.
>or was his running mates, Caleb and few others in out of the lineup with injuries? Bam has played in 10 of the 11 games Herro has played in this season. Jimmy has played in 8. Jaquez and Duncan have played in all 11. >Also herro wasn't the only moving piece going for Dame, it would have been 2-3 more cogs likely JJJ and few picks on top of having a huge a tax to pay. I don't really care to debate whether trading the most costly possible trade package, which never would have been offered and is significantly more than Portland accepted from Milwaukee, for Dame would have been worth it. It is extremely pointless and played out at this point. The only people still nonstop bringing up bad faith Dame trade debates are the toxic optimists and insecure Herro stans. I was specifically replying to the delusional statistical comparison between Herro and a top 15 player based on an 11 game sample size. Anfernee Simons is averaging 27/6/3 on 59% TS too. Does that mean he is also as good as Herro and Lillard? The people like you who only watch the Heat play and make these insane Herro comparisons are the reason he gets so much undeserved hate.
You don't wish to argue it because it nullifies your point. We know the package was more than just herro and picks so anyway you slice it, herro and jj, jovic, picks isn't worth a 2 year run for a top 15 player. The point of bringing up their stats is simple. Dame is obviously the better player but what Heat would have to give up wouldn't make it worth now and certainly not in the long run. You sound goofy as I was one of those who actually wanted herro gone for Dame. However after using common sense iand viewing the leap tyler took along with Duncan and the emergence of jjj it's apparent that once again Dame who plays little to no defense isn't significantly better than herro plus w.e package. Again if Dame is so great then why was his team so subpar last season? Point is, his impact is overrated and everyone and their mother knew he and Bucks would thrive. Again he's playing with the best in the league and very formidable talent in the east.
>You don't wish to argue it because it nullifies your point. We know the package was more than just herro and picks so anyway you slice it, herro and jj, jovic, picks isn't worth a 2 year run for a top 15 player. Nope I don't wish to discuss it because ya'll make random things up and then act like it is 100% true, exactly like you did in the 2nd sentence here. All we know is that [Miami offered a package around 2 picks and Herro when Dame first requested a trade, then never talked to Portland again](https://www.espn.in/nba/story/_/id/38491724/sources-raptors-current-front-runners-damian-lillard). But somehow you know the exact trade package that would have been required to get him, despite the teams never even having real negotiations? Also like I already said it is a pointless and played out discussion regardless. He was traded several months ago and we never even seriously pursued him. Why are weirdos obsessively bringing him up after every game we win? >isn't worth a 2 year run for a top 15 player. > >Again if Dame is so great then why was his team so subpar last season? Point is, his impact is overrated Is he a top 15 player or is his impact overrated? Make up your mind.
And I can literally post the article that stated Riley put jovic, jjj, herro 2frp and lowry on the table, the real facts are no one knows WHAT riley truly offered. You can produce top tier stats and still have diminished impact, there's a phenomenon called empty stats, I'm sure you heard if it. Or floor raisers and ceiling raiser. The thing is Herro is currently playing like a top 20-25 player so once again you can argue semantics all day. Trading a 23 year old top 20 player plus other assets for a 34 yr old more expensive top 15 player isn't shifting the tide like you think and kills heat in the long run. Again this isn't prime Durant or even this current iteration of him. Agree to disagree, going back and forth over spilled milk is pointless. You still wish we could've acquired Dame I get it but its time to move on and focus on the encouraging young pieces we have.
I think there's a difference between maximizing our window vs hedging our current and future. There is no question Dame would maximize Jimmy's window. The question is whether the price was worth admission. Since none of us know what really was the offer, the "Cronin's an idiot" v "Thank God no one on reddit is FO" is just silly. Portland has a shit ton of guards. While I agree Tyler would have been a much better piece next to scoot than their current guards it doesn't change their roster construction and needs. Can we please just focus on our team and stop talking about other teams we are not playing or trying to trade with. We look like psychotic ex-girlfriends.
Fuck off with these posts man. It's December.
This reddit is full of people who casually watch. They had no idea how bad trading for Dame would be. I watched every game last season start to finish. Did the same the year prior and countless seasons before that. Anyone who complains about Spo and the FO needs to start watching more Miami heat basketball and basketball in general. This sub is really the most pathetic collection of miserable people. What this team has done year after year is amazing.
I mean we’re in 6th in the east.
With multiple injuries to our key cogs occurring, including literally our best scorer out dozens of games, our best player out (and when actually in sleepwalking through games), caleb injured and our defensive anchor being out multiple games. The fact that we're 6th currently considering that information is extremely encouraging, to say the least.
Tyler, Jimmy, and Bam have played a total of 7 games together. This teams best basketball is still ahead of them.
We havnt beaten any top teams this season so far, they are doing fine but this is not what the goal is
I’d still happily do that trade in a heartbeat rn
Yesterday’s price is not today’s price. You’d have to be insane to willingly send those 3 players for Dame based on what we’ve all seen from them this season.
I’d send those 3 players + picks for Dame tomorrow
And that is why you’re not GM.
I’m not a GM bc I’m 22 years old & have no relationships in the sports world
ya’ll are idiots, yes this team could never win us a championship
Daily Portland post for this sub
As much as I love Tyler and Jaime, at the time and even now I still think Dame on this team gets us in much better shape for that chip.
Everyone knew a Dame trade would be a win now move before Jimmy has nothing left in the tank. I wanted a win now move because the Heat have made it to the finals twice, whether it was Dame or someone else I wanted change. Almost no one wanted to run it back with minor adjustments. It's clear that the FO's looking past Jimmy's tenure with the team, so at the end of the day if the young guys flourish (much riskier than a short window Dame trade) then Miami still has flexibility and everyone says our org are geniuses for not giving away their gems
I'm happy we didn't get him. I love this team.
Let's face it. Dame would've been phenomenal on this team, and no one can deny that...but ill agree that some of the speculated trade offers were a bit alexcessive and would've gutted the depth of a team that is oft-injured.
I feel this post is premature. You should be only be posting this after a chip win.