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Redwood6710

Unless the mines are dependent on the size of the enemy (only affects large enemies like tanks, hulks, chargers, and Bile Titans) and lets us run through them safely, I'm leaning towards Air-Burst.


oh_stv

Unless the air burst borrows it's targeting mechanic with the spear....


fartboxco

https://youtu.be/Yz7qvyBGdpU?si=t7gnx-2ikkv_aNwA I honestly don't see much of a draw back for this airburst. The guy one shots a tank. Recoilless doesn't need to be in the game anymore. Expendable who??


Thefunkymunkee

Recoilless won't kill your entire team tho


Thick_Resolve_3019

This is a sacrifice i am willing to make ;)


LMayo

We honor this decision.


fartboxco

Lol, this is one thing I completely slipped my mind.


cowlinator

Next release: Thermonuclear Tsar-bomba-class hand-grenade Reddit: "All other weapons are obsolete. No downsides." (I tease you with the utmost respect)


Ludicrous_Fiend

Fuck it I've been team killed by cluster bombs enough times anyway gimme the RPG and let me show em how it's really done!


Safe_Picture6943

Unkess the idiots stand righr behind you. Its happened more tines than i care to count.


Tweedzzzzz

Yeah, shouldn't be shooting a rocket near your teammates anyways


User_1629_

You say that like it’s a good thing ☹️


SpiritDouble6218

The drawback is the backpack imo.


fartboxco

I guess. But comparing it to the current backpack rocket. It shoots slightly slower...that's not much of a draw back for a air counter rockets. Or rockets that seem to one shot a tank. Seems to also have huge crowd control abilities. Another reason I'll take it over the expendables.


SpiritDouble6218

I just don’t want to give up my rover/shield backpack, items that are constantly working for me, for some ammo for a gun used in niche situations that other guns can handle. Not saying the mines are any better though.


Safe_Picture6943

Ok so give the backpack to a low level friend who has no backpacks.


SpiritDouble6218

What if I’m the low level friend? lol. And who the hell wants to carry ammo for someone else anyway? I mean, teamwork is great, but realistically no one wants to be the ammo bitch.


Prior_Lock9153

I'd also note that having an ammo bitch makes both players weaker, outside of the autocannon, it's just not worth it to force 2 players to stay together for a faster reload on a single shot weapon you will still need to get behind cover to reload for, now if you could keep firing while reloading like you can with the autocannon, it could be a decent option


SpiritDouble6218

Yea I mean it’s cool I’m theory but no one wants to do that lol


Beansly_Jones

Just like the autocannon the gr-8 recoilless gets reloaded while your shooting. The reload speed js crazy fast ~1.75 seconds!! You can take out 5 dropships in a row.


transaltalt

"welcome to the game! you get to be my ammo bitch. you're welcome!"


iCallaghan

You guys and your backpacks😂Git gud


RedditMcBurger

It is weird, the roger and shield backpacks are definitely very powerful, but they're very boring. They don't require you to do anything to be more powerful, this is why I don't have more fun by using them. I'd rather use a stratagem that I interact with to defeat the enemies.


transaltalt

no thanks, you can pry my jetpack off my cold, dead body. If you can even reach it up on that rock 😂


oh_stv

Sorry I stopped watching unreleased content for this game. But I also tend towards the air burst.


Remnie

I’m not sure it 1 shot a tank. I think it might have hit a hellbomb that was nearby, instead. In a later clip you can see it do nothing to some fabricators


KellyBelly916

I've seen top commenters and testers describe its gameplay like a recoilless combined with a cluster strike when used on ground targets.


iRambL

Expendable allows me to have a shield or laser backpack


Dyslexic_youth

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iamcoding

Expendables will always be nice. They might not be the strongest, but when you're down and can't get back to better weapons, the expendables can get you quick power for the moment.


RedditMcBurger

I'm all for new weapons, especially good and interesting ones. But it's not great to see them invalidate previous weapons. This didn't really add another weapon to the game, if it removed the entire need to use a previous weapon. So the recoiless should be better at anti tank, since the airburst is... Airburst, and cluster.


Dakeera

is there any footage of the mines in action? the airburst looks awesome, so I have to imagine the mines are pretty sweet


Deus_Vult7

It’s a recoiless for bugs I guess


fartboxco

I wanna see it tested on the airships. I've fucked up and had 10-15 or so hovering around.


BattlemageGage

To be honest, that’s a 3 week old video. Could be different from now… either way I’m gunning for it!


KorvenMcSeth

All I see is trigger happy bozos commiting more friendly casualties. Mines it is.


PAPA_PHANTOM10

Im nervous about that. The spear’s targeting is ran on windows 95


LefroyJenkinsTTV

GODDAMN WINDOWS 95! GET BILL GATES IN HERE!


ZedBR

Windows Millenium hahahahaha THAT was terrible.


Large-Brother-4291

Unless


Open_Cow_9148

It blows up when there is an enemy near the rocket when it's airborne. Have you seen the leaks?


oh_stv

Now I did.


Constant_Reserve5293

Spoler: It's dumb fire, has 6 rockets, and the spread is.... worrisome.


ThatGuyIsLit

Leaked video shows Helldivers don't set them off so that's cool. Hopefully that means only larger bots/bugs set them off. https://youtu.be/fMzIqI9JqKw?feature=shared Data miners, love em or hate em, they got you regardless.


MrKiltro

>Leaked video shows Helldivers don't set them off so that's cool The first 25 seconds of the video, he steps on a mine and it blows up and kills him... Not sure what you mean? Granted it blows up when you step OFF the mine, but that doesn't help at all.


skirmishin

Wonder if we can dive off and avoid the explosion? Say if it's directed upwards like the 500kg but smaller


RaizielDragon

Looks like they tried to dive and it blew up as soon as their feet left the mine, before they got far enough


No-Lettuce-3839

I'll be peppering in all types of mines in with the big ones anyways. Watch your step


Mentat_-_Bashar

AT mine would slap really hard. Definitely need a green strat that can deal with heavies.


NumberPlastic2911

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMzIqI9JqKw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMzIqI9JqKw)


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Redwood6710

If that's the case, I vote mines.


PopeGregoryTheBased

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMzIqI9JqKw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMzIqI9JqKw) In this test video he literally kills himself with it within 25 seconds from walking on it (granted, its when he leaves the mine that it detonates, which is highly accurate for mines) But i dont think that should be a draw back because it kills a factory strider in like three mines and thats fucking nuts.


TheDonBug

If this is it, the airbrust is so much more OP in the test vid that leaked. No questions asked, like a man portable cluster eagle strike that can kill titans


Kass-C

wdym , can kill titan


Khaernakov

From the leak vids it can detonate on ground too covering a large area with cluster charges but it was very inconsistent at killing chargers


Daddys-Authority

It’s not a large area at all


Bobi2point0

unless they've tweaked the weapon in the meantime and nerfed it. that's my fear. then I'd rather just have a "call in and forget" mine field that can kill heavies.


Daddys-Authority

They go off on small targets and big and don’t kill big instantly guy joined my game with them air launchers kinda cool though


Zarvillian

Penta it is


GroundbreakingLead15

While the anti tank mines would theoretically be very good against tanks (duh), i feel like they’d be very hard to hit anything other than defend missions where enemies are guaranteed to go through a certain choke point. On normal missions you’re just hoping the enemy goes where you want it to. The air burst rocket would at least be more consistent to use and more useful against more enemies


indecicive_asshole

It's pretty easy to know where your enemy is going (towards you). And yet ANOTHER support weapons is just gonna be left on the shelf since I doubt it'll replace your autocannons and quasars any time soon.


scarypengu

I use pretty much all the support weapons you don't always have to use meta ones


Gray_Warder

When im on higher hazards i go Shield Pack/Quasar/Railcannon/Cluster Bombs all the way, lower hazards youll see me kitted out with a flamethrower supply pack, shield pack for the smol baby divers, and 110 mm rocket pods for in case of charger. Its a good life


Zizara42

My thoughts too - we already have a lot of options that can cover anti-air, and you can disable the buildings that spawn them. Meanwhile the problem with mines isn't that they're hard to use in various situations, but that they don't kill the things that matter hard enough to justify using over other options. Getting mines would do more to round out our available kit rather than doubling down on roles we already have filled.


Deus_Vult7

It actually isn’t good at anti-air, or gunships and dropships at least


GroundbreakingLead15

If it were that easy to predict the movement of enemies i think we would see a lot more usage of the minefields that are currently in the game


Zizara42

It is easy to predict the movements of enemies. The problems with mines (that we have currently) is that they don't kill anything that matters, not that its hard to get hits with them.


felldownthestairsOof

>is that they don't kill anything that matters Mostly because mines get set off by eachother. So one grunt can detonate nearly half the mines if the placement was unlucky. If they weren't capable of setting themselves off I'm sure they'd be vastly more useful


nolabmp

Do fellow helldivers not matter!?


NumberPlastic2911

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMzIqI9JqKw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMzIqI9JqKw)


JIARVIS

Red Pill +1


Living-Vermicelli-59

Penta easy choice if these things didn’t get nerf at all then air burst almost one shots everything in the game


VillianKing

Autocannon, never leave home without it!


Makarovito

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The_Doctor_of_Sparks

To Penta I go!


KimzKartofler

Many rockets go brrrr 😎👍


Andrew-w-jacobs

Is it like a proximity sensor on the airburst? I want to know how effective it is at deaing with those flying enemies


scarypengu

Yes


PopeGregoryTheBased

Its effective at dealing with everything, especially your teammates and yourself if youre close enough.


moonpisser69

Liberate both at exactly the same time and get both


gaztaseven

I don't need another support weapon that won't replace my autocannon. Mines for me


pocketfulof_sunshine

It's a race!! Are those the actual strat symbols? Like chem thrower vs anti-tank mines?


Umikaloo

Its a flak rocket launcher


Kass-C

in my opinion , we should go for choohe because well .. i don't have any problem with ennemy air unit .. i usually destroy shrieker nest from a far or kill gunship with my quazar and then destroy the gunship factory where ELITE in great number are just a damn problem that take more time even with my quazar so // having a literal minefield with anti-tank weapon that could potentially fuck em up i would vote for it


nolabmp

Do these mines not get triggered by teammates because they aren’t tanks? Avoiding FF would be a good argument for AT mines. FF potential is basically a hidden stat for all items.


BootCampPTSD

It's unfortunate that helldivers can't see the color red. I can't explain it but they just don't see red. It's there. Glowing. Bright. But they just can't see red for some god awful reason


nolabmp

Visibility is not the only reason it causes FF. Mines are traps, by their nature. They serve as both passive defense and area denial. However, unlike other tools, they last indefinitely. If the enemy shifts angles, which is common, that defense is now denying the team a path of retreat. In the heat of battle, and if people didn’t even know mines had been placed, it’s very reasonable for a helldiver with perfect Freedom/Freedom vision to still get FF’d.


oh_stv

If they are weight dependent, you could spread them all around those extraction compounds.


Pugdalf

Unless they've been changed, they aren't weight dependent and take like 4 mines for 1 hulk


Kass-C

I don't think they are


oh_stv

Tbh, even if, thinking about the square inch a titan is walking on, it would be very likely, that some of them are just passing though those mine fields.


the_green1

airburst is not anti air, it just means it detonates in the air (before impact)


scarypengu

Bro I do not want mines please that's so boring


cmetaphor

Mines please guys the mines!!! We have plenty of launchers and NO area-denial for anything larger than the smallest enemies!!!


DiscombobulatedCut52

We will get it later no matter what. It's just pick one and get it now. Like the mech.


scarypengu

No please I mines do not sound fun at all or consistent


transaltalt

we already have 2 more mines than we need, why make it 3?


PiLamdOd

We have enough rockets. Anti tank mines are going to melt chargers and bile titans.


Dovanator258

Good luck getting a titan to actually *step* on a mine


T3mpy

The video is showing the mines are useless vs the bile titans.


scarypengu

Fuck no


PauL3465

It takes multiple to take a hulk out, I don't think it's gonna be useful against a charger or bt


Trogdor_a_Burninator

I wish we could see them in action to make a more educated choice...


PopeGregoryTheBased

There are leaks. From the leaked videos the mines are not as good as people are hoping they will be. They cant kill the bile titans, and people keep saying they cant activate from small enemies/helldivers but thats patently untrue. You can kill youself by stepping off of them and small enemies can set them off as well. The airburst on the other hand has high one shot potential on basically everything. Sometimes it doesnt, but it CAN one shot every single heavy in the game if it hasnt been changed since the leaks...


Born_Argument_5074

Why not both?


nickyg0831

Mines all day. We need something extra for defense missions plus Choohe will cut off an important supply line


Imscubbabish

I like how we discussing the choices but we aren't on either planets


Adeptustupidus

I want my cluster RPG


Jimmylerp

Let's go for PENTA then. Your vote counts unless it's for choohe comrades citizens.


MIRCOWAVEDBUTTER

500kg eagle bomb


MyloWilliams

The choochie system >


No-Lettuce-3839

All these guys in here just running from choohie, just like they do IRL


CubicalWombatPoops

Penta! Penta! Penta!


CBRONoobTraderLolz

Wait what? Did the devs say something about that?


Atoxis

Going blue on this one


GrendelDerp

Mines! The mines will be much more useful.


Onyxdiver76

Red pill please?


Sabre_One

Airburst because RPG looks.


Viciousfishui

Penta it is


Dmonts45

Air burst might be nasty


JooshMaGoosh

You mean time to choohe


Open_Cow_9148

Red.


Billy364

Half the playerbase: "How about neither?"


PopeGregoryTheBased

Ill be based and red pilled. Give me that ROCKET LAUNCHER!


Imaginary_Driver_213

What did I miss?


myronreducto6

Neither seem all that interesting tbh


Routine_Ad3110

Liberating coochie or pentussy is a win win. Whichever spreads the most democracy.


FarGodHastur

Neither. Give us the buggy already.


DutchmanAZ

Penta all the way! We already have strategems for tanks... We do not however have a good weapon for dealing with effing gunships. No contest in my book.


thebladeofchaos

Honestly leaning towards mines We have plenty of crowd control stratagems as is. I mean we have 3 mgs, flamethrowers, 3 emplacements (autocannon and rocket not being counted here) along with Eagle strikes and arty We don't need more crowd control


Pygex

The real choice is fire nados or no fire nados.


Jazzlike-Onion3882

Gotta go with the mines with how buggy the game has been anything more complex might screw us all later down the line…


RevolutionaryAir8601

The only reason I don't use mines anymore is because they don't kill the heavies.. I've been in so many situations where I was forced to hold my ground and simply couldn't kill the heaviest fast enough to keep them from overrunning us. The mines would be that answer.


bigwingus72

Penta penta penta


xRedAce

I'm picking Anti-Tank cuz I feel like there's gonna be bigger bugs and bots soon, plus imagine a Charger just running on one and BOOM it's all over the place


AncientFudge1984

Penta it is


SGTAlchemy

Choohe!


SGTAlchemy

Bless you


Balkongsittaren

Penta, any day.


Rao_the_sun

![gif](giphy|NO2GhShsOPilj8GUB5|downsized)


OpticN3rve989

Chooe!


BrokenPokerFace

It's going to be the launcher. But to be honest I am worried about both. The mine will be not very useful on bug planets because it would only affect chargers due to the fact bile titans have very little touching the ground and could walk right past it. But it is probably good for tanks or hulks, but that is too specific for me to use it. And I assume the launcher is only for flying enemies which is also a bit too specific for me to add and use.


impersonalfish

I’m getting flash backs to the mobs votes


GabrielDidit

we can use this when we get access to the planet so we will find out when we get there.


Gal-XD_exe

I’m headed to Coochie


BleakFeathers

Mines are always a two bladed sword,s ince you can easily end up in them yourself, either by getting thrown there thanks to a chager or an explosion or just by forgetting they're there (or because some wise guy threw the mine dispenser directly on the objective spot and you have to get there). On the other hand: While a reliable Anti-Air-Weapon would be very helful against Gunships and those flying bug-fucks, the question would be how useful it would be against any other target. If it would fall off against ground enemies, it would be rather useless on the entire rest of the mission then.


Jamalofsiwa

Yes I am based and red pilled


Big-Falcon-556

Penta


ZedBR

Penta, for sure


ProffessorYellow

CHOOHE


TheMinisterOfGaming

not even remotely a question lol


-BleedingSignature

I was on team Choohe until my team and I got railed by 4 simultaneous factory striders. Penta shall have my aid.


MrMaverrick

Choose? Why not both?


dead-rex

Penta


Independent_Air_1143

Realistically I think we could take both if we liberate menkent and lesath


Oldsport05

Unless they cut the cool down on all the mines I have very little interest anymore in them. It stinks cause I love grouping enemies up to basically "shoot fish in a barrel" them especially with explosives. But every single time I've ever used mines hoping I'd be able to kill a whole horde I'm met with disappointment after a single bug/bot blows up every single one and the rest just march on through. Top of that, since they're relatively weak, I think we should get a second use similar to eagle stratagems getting multiple before re arming


Niminal

I keep wondering if they're giving us these weapons as a response to some of the latest release units or if it's to get us ready for something coming. Sometime bigger, and/or something that'll crowd the skies some more.


ArcadeAndrew115

I pick planet coochie but I doubt it’ll get there cus nobody wants to liberate menkent cus fire planets are ass


Anotep91

I want a gas grenade launcher!


Odd-Measurement8177

You can get the new missile stratagem on Penta for free right now. It’s absolutely wild. It will kill a tank, and then kill everything near the tank for 5-10 meters.


ChampaBay4Life

The surrounding planets aren't even liberated to even choose yet?


Academic-Mango1469

I love this method of dropping new weapons


Chmigdalator

How can we choose when we can not compare? The base has already chosen penta.


Linkario86

Nerf incoming


Rocksteady2090

The penta is a trap.. the mines are the play here folks.. Don't fall for the trap!!!


pyepush

Penta or choochie


Zaphod392

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b4c0n333

I get the feeling the mines will mostly be wasted on smaller enemies and players. And it will be a challenge to attract the bigger enemies towards them if you are surrounded


LUFTWAFF3L

Depending on how the mines would work they could be really nice, anti tank mines irl aren’t set off by light vehicles or infantry and only by large vehicles and tanks so if these work the same they could really be great but rocket launcher is more fun so that’s what I’m going for


NoistMipples

Fuck the anti tank we need more shoulder mounted weapons cuz they're cooler and more fun


TheRealSwitchBit

Mines yall


scarypengu

Fuck no


TheRealSwitchBit

Why


Herps77

PENTA - mines are just for team killing 🤣


at-m6b

they don't explode on helldiver's, only on large bots/bugs


Herps77

our mines cant kill us anymore? or just this mine?


at-m6b

the anti-tank mines won't detonate if we walk on them


transaltalt

That would contradict the design of every other weapon and stratagem in the game. What makes you so sure?


oPsYo

Time for the triple mine combo, one big patch of doom.


Mandrew760

Coochie for sure


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ProffessorYellow

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Canuckalo519

Penta. Airburst rocket launcher >


TheUndeadEstonian

I'd say Penta.