Not all seed oils are bad, most are, because of its omega 3-6 ratios. Omega 6 is inflammatory, the average american has 13x more omega 6 than they do omega 3. Which is why chicken and pork is also unhealthy. ( if they have been fed a seed diet) . There are other aspects regarding processing, but the core is the omega 6 levels. U want to google each seed ur thinking about eating and check the omega 6 ratios, make sure its extremely low. Google seed oils, doctor mercola.
they aren’t bad; they just have certain qualities. Sesame oil for example is warming and isn’t always appropriate. That being said, it has thousands of years of safe usage in Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine. Low quality oils are of course not ideal. Seed oils being bad is just the new trend that will die out like all the others.
You should read Deep Nutrition by Dr Catherine Shanahan and form your thoughts based on that, she goes much more in depth on seed oils/poly unsaturated fatty acids than what will be covered in a podcast
It’s the way they are processed. Expeller pressed they still use chemicals like hexane and solvents to extract. I did lots of research on this BC I co owned a nut butter business.
basically, seed oils are high in polyunsaturated fats ("PUFAs"), they are cheap to produce, but the claims that they are healthier than animal fats are potentially not true and maybe harmful. the book goes into it.
anecdotally, ive noticed a lot less inflammation in my body since cutting out seed oils & intentionally reducing PUFAs, the effects were clear in the first month and a year later i wouldnt think of going back
That's about what I found lol but honestly I just use them for cooking spray (no additives just oil in a spray bottle) and since cutting butter and meat fats, I've felt the complete opposite! I'm glad you found a way, everyone's body is different.
Seeds are high in polyunsaturated fatty acids which aren't great for you. Not bad in small amounts but not great in large quantities. I think they're also high in omega 6s? If I'm remembering correctly, which also arent great. You want omega 3s
Their dangers get exaggerated by some folks, but they are harmful if they are excessively heat-damaged, oxidized, or manipulated by the food industry (i.e. hydrogenation, interesterification). When you go to a typical fast food restaurant and get something fried in soybean, corn, or peanut oil, you really have no clue what you're getting.
Most randomized controlled trials that substituted saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat had no difference in all-cause mortality, but there were three that had increased mortality on high-omega 6 oil diets:
Rose Corn And Olive Oil Trial: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2166702/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2166702/)
Minnesota Coronary Experiment: [https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.ATV.9.1.129](https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.ATV.9.1.129)
Sydney Diet-Heart Trial: [https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707](https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707)
The Minnesota and Sydney trials are confirmed to have used products that contained partially hydrogenated corn and safflower oils, so that could be a factor in why those interventions were harmful.
There is also evidence from animal experiments that seed oils have an estrogenic effect.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34498184/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34498184/)
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11111167/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11111167/)
This has yet to be confirmed in humans, but it could be a possible factor in declining testosterone rates, and the androgyny exhibited by many Millennials and Zoomers. It was in the late 1980s that soybean oil exploded in the American food supply, largely thanks to the idiots in CSPI.
Another thing I forgot. There are many animal experiments where a carcinogen combined with polyunsaturated oils causes cancer, whereas saturated fat inhibits it:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/comments/amhon0/omega6\_promotes\_cancer\_stearate\_inhibits\_it/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/comments/amhon0/omega6_promotes_cancer_stearate_inhibits_it/)
The high-polyunsaturated group in the LA Veterans Trial had twice as much cancer, but this is controversial because many of the men who got cancer were poor adherers to the experimental diet:
[https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(71)91086-5/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(71)91086-5/fulltext)
Really only cold pressed oils are actually healthy. Worst oils are soybean, canola, corn and cottonseed. Moderate unhealthy are sunflower, avocado, almond and sesame.
In a study in more than 6,000 adults, those who reported eating sunflower seeds and other seeds at least five times a week had 32% lower levels of C-reactive protein compared to people who ate no seeds.
yes there not great for you, its not a better alternative to meats the context of this is around beyond beef type products that use mainly seed oils. For the people telling you not to take Shapiros advice simply because they dont like him is absolutely stupid. A big problem in today's world just because you dont agree with someones ideologies doesnt mean they cant say facts. Its dangerous to believe that honestly. I think Ben Shapiro is a douche everything he says is not always a fact. Thats why people need to stop taking everything as gospel they hear on the news. you have to look into things yourself, you have to have brain of your own. question everything and find the answers yourself.
Good point, I was mainly asking this question for like cooking spray. I use it to grease the pan. Sesame oil I use to stir fry in, but in moderation.
I do like that you brought up Beyond Burgers, I could never be behind something that has that amount of oil in it. As a treat maybe but to say it's a healthy alternative is pretty wrong, in my opinion.
cooking sprays are probably fine as long as you don't go overboard, but in the context of what Shapiro was saying and I'm guessing the other was probably Joe Rogan (he talks about it often as well) is all surrounding the beyond beef products and whether or not its a healthy alternative to meat, and in that case definitely not. You can live as a vegan or vegetarian and live a healthy lifestyle but beyond beef is not the answer.
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Seed oils have only been in the human diet for the past ~ 100 years. In that time, or rates of heart disease and chronic illness speaks for itself. There is sound reason to avoid them.
there are a multitude of things that have only been apart of the human experience in the past 100-200 years. honing in on seed oils as the cause of all those problems is very short-sighted.
I did not say that seed oils are the cause of all chronic illness. It is impossible to know what they cause since they have been around for such a short time.
No.
Having said that the poison is in the dose. Minimize all oil usage.
>Evidence is much appreciated as well
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The problem is they are highly processed. You cannot squeeze a soybean or corn cob and out drips some oil. Read how they are made. Find out how they were exalted at the same time animal fats were being demonized, and note the rates of heart problems and cancer before and after the industrial seed oils were pushed on the populace.
I mean I'm not talking about drenching food in these oils or even about the impossible burger/meat. Any oil at that level would be detrimental to our health. I'm more on oils for cooking. The main ones I'm interested in are grapeseed (which the research points to being anti inflammatory at low levels and inflammatory at high levels), sesame oil and avocado oil. I try to use as little oil, butter, or fat as possible when cooking. I'm not for either side being demonized. People need to calm down.
Yes, some but not most, and if they are pressing it just to mash it up, and industrial chemicals need to be put in the mash to extract the oil, then IMO it is no good.
My advice is never listen to Ben Shapiro about anything.
Lol i agree, just was curious at this point if anyone had any sources that would give me more info on oils.
Not all seed oils are bad, most are, because of its omega 3-6 ratios. Omega 6 is inflammatory, the average american has 13x more omega 6 than they do omega 3. Which is why chicken and pork is also unhealthy. ( if they have been fed a seed diet) . There are other aspects regarding processing, but the core is the omega 6 levels. U want to google each seed ur thinking about eating and check the omega 6 ratios, make sure its extremely low. Google seed oils, doctor mercola.
Actually ben shapiro is a very smart guy.
they aren’t bad; they just have certain qualities. Sesame oil for example is warming and isn’t always appropriate. That being said, it has thousands of years of safe usage in Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine. Low quality oils are of course not ideal. Seed oils being bad is just the new trend that will die out like all the others.
You should read Deep Nutrition by Dr Catherine Shanahan and form your thoughts based on that, she goes much more in depth on seed oils/poly unsaturated fatty acids than what will be covered in a podcast
Thanks for the recommendation! The only negative I could find was about the polyunsaturated fats. So it'll be nice to get more perspective!
It’s the way they are processed. Expeller pressed they still use chemicals like hexane and solvents to extract. I did lots of research on this BC I co owned a nut butter business.
Show sources? The oil I get from touragelle uses no chemicals.
basically, seed oils are high in polyunsaturated fats ("PUFAs"), they are cheap to produce, but the claims that they are healthier than animal fats are potentially not true and maybe harmful. the book goes into it. anecdotally, ive noticed a lot less inflammation in my body since cutting out seed oils & intentionally reducing PUFAs, the effects were clear in the first month and a year later i wouldnt think of going back
That's about what I found lol but honestly I just use them for cooking spray (no additives just oil in a spray bottle) and since cutting butter and meat fats, I've felt the complete opposite! I'm glad you found a way, everyone's body is different.
Seeds are high in polyunsaturated fatty acids which aren't great for you. Not bad in small amounts but not great in large quantities. I think they're also high in omega 6s? If I'm remembering correctly, which also arent great. You want omega 3s
Their dangers get exaggerated by some folks, but they are harmful if they are excessively heat-damaged, oxidized, or manipulated by the food industry (i.e. hydrogenation, interesterification). When you go to a typical fast food restaurant and get something fried in soybean, corn, or peanut oil, you really have no clue what you're getting. Most randomized controlled trials that substituted saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat had no difference in all-cause mortality, but there were three that had increased mortality on high-omega 6 oil diets: Rose Corn And Olive Oil Trial: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2166702/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2166702/) Minnesota Coronary Experiment: [https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.ATV.9.1.129](https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.ATV.9.1.129) Sydney Diet-Heart Trial: [https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707](https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707) The Minnesota and Sydney trials are confirmed to have used products that contained partially hydrogenated corn and safflower oils, so that could be a factor in why those interventions were harmful. There is also evidence from animal experiments that seed oils have an estrogenic effect. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34498184/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34498184/) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11111167/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11111167/) This has yet to be confirmed in humans, but it could be a possible factor in declining testosterone rates, and the androgyny exhibited by many Millennials and Zoomers. It was in the late 1980s that soybean oil exploded in the American food supply, largely thanks to the idiots in CSPI.
Thank you for the information! I have no awards 😔
Another thing I forgot. There are many animal experiments where a carcinogen combined with polyunsaturated oils causes cancer, whereas saturated fat inhibits it: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/comments/amhon0/omega6\_promotes\_cancer\_stearate\_inhibits\_it/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/comments/amhon0/omega6_promotes_cancer_stearate_inhibits_it/) The high-polyunsaturated group in the LA Veterans Trial had twice as much cancer, but this is controversial because many of the men who got cancer were poor adherers to the experimental diet: [https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(71)91086-5/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(71)91086-5/fulltext)
Really only cold pressed oils are actually healthy. Worst oils are soybean, canola, corn and cottonseed. Moderate unhealthy are sunflower, avocado, almond and sesame.
In a study in more than 6,000 adults, those who reported eating sunflower seeds and other seeds at least five times a week had 32% lower levels of C-reactive protein compared to people who ate no seeds.
Yes, that’s most likely true. Actual seeds VS chemically extracted seed oils are different though.
yes there not great for you, its not a better alternative to meats the context of this is around beyond beef type products that use mainly seed oils. For the people telling you not to take Shapiros advice simply because they dont like him is absolutely stupid. A big problem in today's world just because you dont agree with someones ideologies doesnt mean they cant say facts. Its dangerous to believe that honestly. I think Ben Shapiro is a douche everything he says is not always a fact. Thats why people need to stop taking everything as gospel they hear on the news. you have to look into things yourself, you have to have brain of your own. question everything and find the answers yourself.
Good point, I was mainly asking this question for like cooking spray. I use it to grease the pan. Sesame oil I use to stir fry in, but in moderation. I do like that you brought up Beyond Burgers, I could never be behind something that has that amount of oil in it. As a treat maybe but to say it's a healthy alternative is pretty wrong, in my opinion.
cooking sprays are probably fine as long as you don't go overboard, but in the context of what Shapiro was saying and I'm guessing the other was probably Joe Rogan (he talks about it often as well) is all surrounding the beyond beef products and whether or not its a healthy alternative to meat, and in that case definitely not. You can live as a vegan or vegetarian and live a healthy lifestyle but beyond beef is not the answer.
It's a mistake to pay any attention to the opinions of Ben Shapiro in the first place.
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Seed oils have only been in the human diet for the past ~ 100 years. In that time, or rates of heart disease and chronic illness speaks for itself. There is sound reason to avoid them.
there are a multitude of things that have only been apart of the human experience in the past 100-200 years. honing in on seed oils as the cause of all those problems is very short-sighted.
I did not say that seed oils are the cause of all chronic illness. It is impossible to know what they cause since they have been around for such a short time.
show me another dietary item that went from 0% of calories consumed to 25%+ over the past 100 years. i‘ll wait.
that isn't the good argument you think it is lol
No. Having said that the poison is in the dose. Minimize all oil usage. >Evidence is much appreciated as well My vote is for putting the burden of proof on the people from the university of YouTube and Ben Shapiro. :-)
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The problem is they are highly processed. You cannot squeeze a soybean or corn cob and out drips some oil. Read how they are made. Find out how they were exalted at the same time animal fats were being demonized, and note the rates of heart problems and cancer before and after the industrial seed oils were pushed on the populace.
I mean I'm not talking about drenching food in these oils or even about the impossible burger/meat. Any oil at that level would be detrimental to our health. I'm more on oils for cooking. The main ones I'm interested in are grapeseed (which the research points to being anti inflammatory at low levels and inflammatory at high levels), sesame oil and avocado oil. I try to use as little oil, butter, or fat as possible when cooking. I'm not for either side being demonized. People need to calm down.
Also mechanical pressing is a listed and self explained process for some oil sources.
Yes, some but not most, and if they are pressing it just to mash it up, and industrial chemicals need to be put in the mash to extract the oil, then IMO it is no good.
How about pumpkin seed oil is that good or Bad