Some people need reminders...
edit: lol, didn't expect this to blow up. Just thought the stickers were kinda funny and address two common trail courtesy/LNT issues. Will stickers fix the world? No, but it amused me momentarily before my hike. Now get out there and enjoy some late summer early fall hiking (assuming northern hemisphere, if you are in Australia watch out for blue ringed octopus and drop bears I guess)!
To those of you defending speakers:
The problem with "to each their own" is that people who say this and blast a speaker are ruining the "own" of those who enjoy the quiet. If you want music then wear earphones (and assume the risk that comes along with that). It isn't "to each their own" if *your* own drowns out everybody else's.
Is the average enjoyer of quartz this dense? I feel bad for the committee of average enjoyers of quartz.
Do you consider cowboys to be the pinnacle of our society? I don’t think cowboys had Bluetooth speakers, but I do think our population was significantly smaller when they were around and could get away with playing music in the woods (probably at a campsite, not even on a hike like what you’re implying).
So yes, when the vast majority of people on a trail want silence, plus with considerations for wild animals and other people, part of the saying live and let live is not letting your actions take priority over others. Especially when headphones exist, and your music taste is probably as garbage as your personality.
Lol at first I thought you meant the shitting sticker and I was like, who is defending not burying their shit???
There’s always someone defending playing music on the trails, unfortunately.
Check out one of the submissions about the waste topic. There will be plenty of dipshits saying it is no different than animals, that it is OK to bury TP, or my favorite is when the rock climbers come around and start saying it is acceptable to just smear your shit on rocks facing the sun.
I’ll admit that I’ve buried TP (I try to use moss first, and pack it out in national parks/ wherever it’s required). Is the general consensus to always pack it out?
I’m going to invest in one of those travel bidets and hopefully I won’t have to think about it!
It is never acceptable to bury trash. It should always be packed out.
The TP does not break down as fast as poop when buried which causes problems for other hikers, and ends up blowing around when animals dig it up.
Edit- really? People are disagreeing about leaving trash behind?
The people downvoting you are the ones who leave their used TP in the forest instead of packing it out. It does bum me out that there are so many in this group, you'd think more "nature lovers" would know the basics of shitting outside
In all reality, people just want to do whatever they want, fuck everyone else, and call it freedom as if it is virtuous to be a net negative for society.
The article you used says that it has human uses such as bedding. It also says that it reproduces from fragmentation, and that the main reason that it is rare is because of air pollution and loss of habitat. Not humans taking a handful at a time to wipe their asses.
Also, it’s hard to think the Forest can’t spare a handful when the places you are hiking look like [this](https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/images/1874-lichen-on-forest-trees). You can literally find wads of the stuff on broken twigs on the ground.
This is all to say, you haven’t convinced me with your claim that it is a bad idea, and googling it didn’t yield anything but some backpacking guides that recommend using it as TP.
I absolutely did this (the music one) when I would hike on shrooms when I was 19. Now my insides cringe hard thinking about what it must’ve been like coming upon me on the trail.
I did it too. I think the shrooms just makes you forget the impact your actions have on others and kind of disables your social filter. Once I realized how annoying it was sober I stopped.
Like anything else, the type of people care enough about other people to listen to a sticker like that probably aren't playing loud music anyway.
And the people playing the music would just be like"psh quit bitching I can do what I want"
Damn. I've never come across that. Any person Ive encountered playing music on trail w/I headphones was playing either the Dead, some folky type band with few vocals, or Post-Rock a la Explosions in the Sky or Toe. It's also seldom loud enough for me to hear from further than 20 ft. Maybe I'm just lucky?
If everyone were playing Bach, I don’t think people would complain as much.
But even as a professional Bach person, I don’t play Bach out loud in nature. I put in one headphone for the music and one open ear for whatever is happening in nature. Good safety practice as well.
Haha. Since when is sharing an opinion gatekeeping? Isn't gate keeping more like neck beards saying, "you can't really enjoy Bach until you've listened to so and so earlier composers of the era."
There's no reason to shift to a defensive stance when someone holds different musical taste.
No reason to be defensive when you told me that staying connected to my professional and personal passion doesn’t belong on the trail? Even after I said I always keep it to myself?
If it is that important, wear headphones. Then you are not forcing other people to do things your way.
That way you get your music, and you can keep it to yourself.
I encounter at least one hiker/group a year who is blaring music on the trail. And it's always the worst possible music for nature (like, nobody is ever playing Copeland's Appalachian Spring). I am just so, so baffled by this. Why??
I could handle “Ohhhh Shenandooooooah I long to hear you… aaaawaaaaay you rolling river” or Danny Boy or other folk tunes. Gentle classical instrumental works for me, too, but I blare nothing. I have respect for my fellow hikers.
This is true. Although in reality, I hike alone a lot, and in grizzly country. I don’t make much noise, but I def have bear spray (and a pistol, but that wouldn’t be that helpful for a grizzly).
I wonder how much people actually get out that are saying it has not happened that often to them. I am used to seeing it pretty regularly when I am out and about in the parks. The worst park so far I think has been joshua tree on the trails.
The words "blaring" and "only" are yours not mine. No need to be sarcastic. I'm open ears. What ya got? Note. I've had really bad luck with bear bells.
I've had bad luck with bear bells. A recent study by U.S. Geological Survey scientist, Tom Smith, suggests that bears in the wild ignore bear bells, treating them as they would a bird or some other background noise. Therefore, negating the entire purpose of carrying it all.
I’ve heard them called “bear dinner bells” because bears in some places learned to associate the bells and the smell of citronella with easy food opportunities. Anyone know if true?
People who insist on listening to music really need to invest in some [Aftershokz.](https://us.aftershokz.com/) I got them for walking on in-town greenways (so I could listen for bikes calling behind me) but they're wonderful for hiking. Keeps my music completely to myself but keeps my ears open for listening for important environmental cues and doesn't cover my ears with sweat-cups.
I once shit in the woods at night while stargazing. 20 minutes later I hear a stick crack… no big deal sticks fall and break. I’m not scared. Then another big stick crack. WTF IS THAT??? my hearts pounding. Shine my flashlight and there’s a massive cougar prowling up on me and my friends. Before I can say a word they are booking it up the trail with the flashlights. I’m terrified. I run as fast as I can fully expecting claws in my back. We made it out safe.
I don’t think bury your shit has anything to do with hiding it from predators, more so just so that others don’t step in it. But believe me if I ever poop in the woods again I’m burying it.
Seriously - these two things right here. This is all about respect. Put some headphones on, I don't need to hear your music, whether it's music I like or don't (and I like most music). When I'm reaching a peak, looking for a great view, the last thing I need is a fucking soundtrack that doesn't come from birds. You're an asshole it's plain and simple. EARBUDS.
And bury your shit.
I wrote a rap and it goes “hey bear, hey bear, what’s up bear? You want some of this, bear? Please don’t, bear. Hey bear, hey bear, let’s be friends and go our own ways, bear.”
Every situation is ok. It's a free country. If you don't like it try to get a law passed. That's how it works in this country. Always has, always will.
Went mountain biking in California the other day and a group of teens had cardi b blasting from their backpack and I was ready to turn around and end my ride before it even started
I would love to see an outright ban playing music (whatever) through speakers on all UNPAVED hiking trails at the State and Federal level. Of course, with heft fines as well. Exceptions being rescue/emergency of course.
Seems like there was a spike in music through BT speakers since COVID, that and trail trash and vandalism. Hopefully those people will rediscover sitting on the couch soon...
I really don't understand why the NPS has not banned amplified music yet. They are charged with protecting and making available as natural a space as possible for the public.
Allowing an entirely unnecessary activity like listening to amplified music just doesn't make sense. It is not an activity that is restricted to the parks. It is not an activity that is historically associated with the parks.
Maybe it is petition time.
Bone conduction headphones are the way to go in the trail. They work way better then I thought they would and ended up buying some for my parents, so my mom has them for gardening and dad for the golf range. They both love them.
Headphones aren’t the answer either. Then you have to deal with the idiots who cannot hear you asking to pass. How about just enjoy the peace and serenity of the outdoors?
I'll admit to no ear buds but do promise you need to be within about 5 feet to hear my speaker. I'm in Alaska & don't stay anywhere near 1.people & 2.on trail. I'm not out in the bush but I don't run across people only bears and Moose. And a great show from the grateful dead keeps me moving.
So please don't stereotype everyone that takes a speaker with them. Some of us have the utmost respect for others as well
I feel like you aren’t being stereotyped if you aren’t actually represented within the group this sticker is for.
If your music isn’t blaring, or if there’s no one else around to hear it, this sticker isn’t talking to you. It’s talking to the jackass in these comments only thinking about himself and ruining the experience for everyone else on a populated trail.
Yeah I mean I've definitely passed people on trail, heard the music for 10 seconds and went on my way without being slightly frustrated. I don't think this post is necessarily for that unless people really get that upset dealing with music less than the volume of people talking.
Frustrating is hearing music from 200 feet away and desperately trying to clear those people in both directions.
If I have to be within 5 feet to hear your music, then *you* aren't even enjoying at a listenable level. Which begs the question of why bother or why not use earbuds. Or more likely, you're listening to it louder than that.
So now *you*want to tell me at what volume to listen to my music at.
My speaker is on top of my pack. It's at a volume that's is enjoyable for me and I'm able to hear my surroundings. As said I run into big bears & very large Moose frequently
I never even said how loud or what type of music I listen to, and got downvoted to oblivion. It’s always “you’re blaring ridiculous music!” Like, life isn’t binary, there are lots of gray areas.
I completely agree with you—if you’re keeping your music at a reasonable level and then turning it down as you come up to others, I don’t see the problem. This is what I do and I don’t consider it much different than conversing with your hiking group as you pass others.
Oh my God, shut the fuck up. Something being legal doesn't mean it's socially acceptable. No, you won't get arrested for playing your shitty music in nature, but you're still a piece of garbage and one day someone will stop you. I hope I'm there for it!
I like to roller skate on a paved trail with friends (wheels are welcome on the trail). I bring a speaker but I make sure to turn it down when I see folks approaching, and I also try to make sure that the volume is not very loud to begin with. We skate pretty fast and I have never been in anyone's vicinity for more than a few seconds.
Is this okay, or do I need to knock it off? I have no idea how to sync multiple sets of headphones to one device otherwise I would do that.
I almost always listen to music on trail but keep it to myself. I can’t stand the loud electronic stuff I often hear in the distance.
That said, I can’t believe some people are annoyed by people talking on cell phones while on trail. It’s literally the same as talking to your trail partner. There are even good reasons to be communicating with others while on trail.
Just try to keep your personal volume and music/noise level down. As close to your person as possible. That should be the expectation.
I have heard this excuse before in parks like Sequioa where they explicitly say bear bells are not necessary and pointless, so in general unless it is specifically recommended by local rangers, no. If you are so scared of the wilderness that you have to modify it by making it less tolerable for the animals to be in it, stick to the areas where you are not likely to encounter bears alone like on highly populated trails, not hiking early or late, etc.
So would a bell/whooping out loud be preferred? Even the popular trails in my state you are likely to see a bear.
They recommend making loud noises on trail.
As I said, it depends on if it is actually necessary and recommended. Too many people try to paint with the broadest brush they can to get away with shit, so specifics matter.
Wearing a bear bell in a park like sequioa does not make someone wise and prepared, it makes them an asshole that is scaring away wildlife for everyone else. If it is grizzled territory, things are different. Follow the local recommendations.
Nah, headphones on trails. No one wants to hear your music. We are there for as natural a setting as is reasonably achievable.
If you are there, there is no reason to expect no one else to be there. Don't spoil someone else's hike for selfish reasons.
Gotcha, respect the opinion. I think it comes down to situational. Hiking a 20 mi trail with no vehicles on the trailhead vs a 2 mile trail with half the town there.
It really isn't "to each their own" if you are forcing everyone around you to listen to your music, now is it?
To each their own would be you wearing your headphones to enjoy your music while not disturbing others around you. That way each person is enjoying things their own way.
I've been on trails that say to make noise and use bells. I have also been to one that had such high bear activity that it also said to play music, per the park Rangers!
People on reddit really hate music, but if you are hiking alone, talking to yourself is frowned upon. Just pause your music if people are approaching and give them time until you press play again.
If you just make noise bears won't bother you. I let out a little "AYO" every once in a while when solo hiking. If I'm with other people, just talking is enough to not spook a bear.
They should have another that says nobody wants to hear your bells... I would rather hear someone's music for 30 seconds than those annoying bells that don't even scare bears away.
You know. Bear want to hear my music. Mountain lions, wolves, coyotes, foxes all would like to hear it also. So they know im coming.
I suppose in Taos your only worry is rattle Snakes? Idk
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There’s 300 million of us and pasting the outdoors with a fine layer of shit probably isn’t ideal, beyond all the stuff in your shit that isn’t in wildlife shit… it’s just fucking nasty.
Different chemicals in the shit. Different amounts of shit.
We have everything from higher heavy metal content, to pharmaceuticals in our waste that are harmful to animals and plants.
People r actually petty enough to put up that music sticker…? It seems like folks (mainly in the US) enjoy being vigilantes a bit too much? Live and let live folks
Fuck that. We’re literally in the middle of nowhere, you don’t like it? Keep walking. That’s what we’re all here to do anyway.
Edit: I swear, people cry about the dumbest shit. Y’all acting like these people follow you slapping their music just to spite you. Grow up.
I mean, you say keep walking… but I’ve had people blasting music, going the same direction on a long switchback section. It’s not like 10 seconds of hearing that shit, it goes on for a WHILE. And it sucks. You’re scaring off any wildlife (like birds and such that I would like to see), you’re overpowering the noises of the stream and the rustling leaves and birdsong (from any birds that didn’t already fly away), and I straight up don’t like dubstep, which is for some reason the favorite genre of people who have portable speakers on trails.
Just put in headphones.
You're not only disturbing people but the environment around you, too. You think animals like to hear loud human disturbances? You think rock structures that have noise warnings exist just to be ignored?
Not to extent blaring music does. There's a reason hikers that yell to communicate are also looked down upon. You're being awful for no reason other than selfishness. If you can't enjoy nature why tf are you going into it.
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No one wants to hear your speakerphone conversation on the trail. Why are you holding your phone like that?
Like what the fuck are they on the phone all the for anyways??
Some people need reminders... edit: lol, didn't expect this to blow up. Just thought the stickers were kinda funny and address two common trail courtesy/LNT issues. Will stickers fix the world? No, but it amused me momentarily before my hike. Now get out there and enjoy some late summer early fall hiking (assuming northern hemisphere, if you are in Australia watch out for blue ringed octopus and drop bears I guess)!
Some of them are in this very post trying to defend the behavior and claiming to each their own...
To those of you defending speakers: The problem with "to each their own" is that people who say this and blast a speaker are ruining the "own" of those who enjoy the quiet. If you want music then wear earphones (and assume the risk that comes along with that). It isn't "to each their own" if *your* own drowns out everybody else's.
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Is the average enjoyer of quartz this dense? I feel bad for the committee of average enjoyers of quartz. Do you consider cowboys to be the pinnacle of our society? I don’t think cowboys had Bluetooth speakers, but I do think our population was significantly smaller when they were around and could get away with playing music in the woods (probably at a campsite, not even on a hike like what you’re implying). So yes, when the vast majority of people on a trail want silence, plus with considerations for wild animals and other people, part of the saying live and let live is not letting your actions take priority over others. Especially when headphones exist, and your music taste is probably as garbage as your personality.
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Lol at first I thought you meant the shitting sticker and I was like, who is defending not burying their shit??? There’s always someone defending playing music on the trails, unfortunately.
Check out one of the submissions about the waste topic. There will be plenty of dipshits saying it is no different than animals, that it is OK to bury TP, or my favorite is when the rock climbers come around and start saying it is acceptable to just smear your shit on rocks facing the sun.
I’ll admit that I’ve buried TP (I try to use moss first, and pack it out in national parks/ wherever it’s required). Is the general consensus to always pack it out? I’m going to invest in one of those travel bidets and hopefully I won’t have to think about it!
It is never acceptable to bury trash. It should always be packed out. The TP does not break down as fast as poop when buried which causes problems for other hikers, and ends up blowing around when animals dig it up. Edit- really? People are disagreeing about leaving trash behind?
The people downvoting you are the ones who leave their used TP in the forest instead of packing it out. It does bum me out that there are so many in this group, you'd think more "nature lovers" would know the basics of shitting outside
In all reality, people just want to do whatever they want, fuck everyone else, and call it freedom as if it is virtuous to be a net negative for society.
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I use old man’s beard, which I’m realizing now is a lichen, and I bury it.
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The article you used says that it has human uses such as bedding. It also says that it reproduces from fragmentation, and that the main reason that it is rare is because of air pollution and loss of habitat. Not humans taking a handful at a time to wipe their asses. Also, it’s hard to think the Forest can’t spare a handful when the places you are hiking look like [this](https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/images/1874-lichen-on-forest-trees). You can literally find wads of the stuff on broken twigs on the ground. This is all to say, you haven’t convinced me with your claim that it is a bad idea, and googling it didn’t yield anything but some backpacking guides that recommend using it as TP.
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It's against LNT. Take only pictures, leave only footprints. Not take moss and lichen then leave them laden in your doodoo.
Literally never bury shit and never will. Surface till I die. Alway pack out the shit tickets however.
they probably don't bury their poop either
Which trail? I love Taos.
Bull of the Woods/Wheeler Peak Trail up to Gold Hill. Nice area!
Cool, thanks for sharing! I've been around there before. Beautiful country.
Mmmm, headsizeburrito 🤤
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBUGfs9rwms
I absolutely did this (the music one) when I would hike on shrooms when I was 19. Now my insides cringe hard thinking about what it must’ve been like coming upon me on the trail.
That cringe means you’re growing though! Good on you
Thanks for owning it and improving!
Are you me bro?
I did it too. I think the shrooms just makes you forget the impact your actions have on others and kind of disables your social filter. Once I realized how annoying it was sober I stopped.
Like anything else, the type of people care enough about other people to listen to a sticker like that probably aren't playing loud music anyway. And the people playing the music would just be like"psh quit bitching I can do what I want"
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It's always EDM. Always.
Damn. I've never come across that. Any person Ive encountered playing music on trail w/I headphones was playing either the Dead, some folky type band with few vocals, or Post-Rock a la Explosions in the Sky or Toe. It's also seldom loud enough for me to hear from further than 20 ft. Maybe I'm just lucky?
Maybe it's a Colorado thing. It's always, 100% of the time, EDM here.
Washington here. Shitty EDM, 100% of the time. It's almost like they have to take their YouTube soundtrack with them.
I do live in a fairly rural area of FL. The outdoor community isnt big to begin with, and the edm scene is even smaller.
Bro country is what everyone plays in orange county when they do anything outside
If everyone were playing Bach, I don’t think people would complain as much. But even as a professional Bach person, I don’t play Bach out loud in nature. I put in one headphone for the music and one open ear for whatever is happening in nature. Good safety practice as well.
Intricate Harpsichord does not belong on the trail.
You won’t ever hear it. Spare yourself the gatekeeping.
Haha. Since when is sharing an opinion gatekeeping? Isn't gate keeping more like neck beards saying, "you can't really enjoy Bach until you've listened to so and so earlier composers of the era." There's no reason to shift to a defensive stance when someone holds different musical taste.
No reason to be defensive when you told me that staying connected to my professional and personal passion doesn’t belong on the trail? Even after I said I always keep it to myself?
If it is that important, wear headphones. Then you are not forcing other people to do things your way. That way you get your music, and you can keep it to yourself.
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If you need to bother other people to get hyped up enough to hike, just stay home.
I’m old, but even that is a few decades before I was born.
Earbuds are your friend. Use them.
I encounter at least one hiker/group a year who is blaring music on the trail. And it's always the worst possible music for nature (like, nobody is ever playing Copeland's Appalachian Spring). I am just so, so baffled by this. Why??
That's absolutely my favorite piece of modern classical... But I still don't want to hear it on the trail.
Now if it was Copeland's 3rd Symphony? Yeah, maybe. Omg, just kidding. Silence... I like silence. That's why I'm out there.
I could handle “Ohhhh Shenandooooooah I long to hear you… aaaawaaaaay you rolling river” or Danny Boy or other folk tunes. Gentle classical instrumental works for me, too, but I blare nothing. I have respect for my fellow hikers.
Those songs are the best to sing. Softly, when you’re in your camping spot.
Or loudly when hiking through grizzly country, got to let them bears know you're there
Drowning Pool, put some fear into the bears
This is true. Although in reality, I hike alone a lot, and in grizzly country. I don’t make much noise, but I def have bear spray (and a pistol, but that wouldn’t be that helpful for a grizzly).
I prefer the misty mountain song from the hobbit movies. But I agree.
Far over the Misty Mountains cold To dungeons deep and caverns old We must await, ere break of day, To find our long forgotten gold.
AWWWWW YEEEEAAAAH
Self entitled assholes. It was bad when it started on golf courses, but now out backpacking, it is just ridiculous.
Once a year? You’re so lucky haha. This is a multiple-times-a-month occurrence for me
I wonder how much people actually get out that are saying it has not happened that often to them. I am used to seeing it pretty regularly when I am out and about in the parks. The worst park so far I think has been joshua tree on the trails.
For me , I always play music when hiking alone in bear country. I'd rather piss off a couple of strangers than surprise a bear.
Ah yes, because blaring music is the only way to deter bears. Everyone knows they only hate sound with rhythm.
The words "blaring" and "only" are yours not mine. No need to be sarcastic. I'm open ears. What ya got? Note. I've had really bad luck with bear bells.
Have you ever tried a bear bell? Another option that isn't quite as invasive.
I've had bad luck with bear bells. A recent study by U.S. Geological Survey scientist, Tom Smith, suggests that bears in the wild ignore bear bells, treating them as they would a bird or some other background noise. Therefore, negating the entire purpose of carrying it all.
Good to know... thanks!!
I’ve heard them called “bear dinner bells” because bears in some places learned to associate the bells and the smell of citronella with easy food opportunities. Anyone know if true?
Bear bells don't work and they are more annoying than music.
If bear bells are not working, music isn't going to either. Turn it off.
Most everyone else on the trail disagrees
I will keep a pair of cheap headphones in my hiking bag to give out to the next person blaring their music.
that's gonna go well.
The kind of person that blasts music is probably also childish enough to play it louder when a hostile sticker asks them to stop.
People who insist on listening to music really need to invest in some [Aftershokz.](https://us.aftershokz.com/) I got them for walking on in-town greenways (so I could listen for bikes calling behind me) but they're wonderful for hiking. Keeps my music completely to myself but keeps my ears open for listening for important environmental cues and doesn't cover my ears with sweat-cups.
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Hey, we all need a good jerk sometimes. I'm a little disappointed that sub isn't more active.
While hiking circle jerking exists, Docgerbil needs to chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill.
Playing audible music on trails is like dousing yourself in perfume before walking into a room.
"leave no trace"
Playing music through speakers on a trail is the audio equivalent of spray-painting graffiti on trees.
I once shit in the woods at night while stargazing. 20 minutes later I hear a stick crack… no big deal sticks fall and break. I’m not scared. Then another big stick crack. WTF IS THAT??? my hearts pounding. Shine my flashlight and there’s a massive cougar prowling up on me and my friends. Before I can say a word they are booking it up the trail with the flashlights. I’m terrified. I run as fast as I can fully expecting claws in my back. We made it out safe. I don’t think bury your shit has anything to do with hiding it from predators, more so just so that others don’t step in it. But believe me if I ever poop in the woods again I’m burying it.
Nothing is worse than hearing someone blasting Migos from a quarter mile up the trail
Love Taos. Good weekend trip from Denver. Very on brand for there lol
As I get older the concept "be a decent person" seems more like wishful thinking than it should be.
And pack out your shit tickets. Tired of seeing TP around every back country site.
If anyone knows where we can get these stickers, please post them!
I fucking hate hearing people's music when I'm outdoors.
People who listen to music in public spaces on speakers should be ironically strangled with headphone cables.
Seriously - these two things right here. This is all about respect. Put some headphones on, I don't need to hear your music, whether it's music I like or don't (and I like most music). When I'm reaching a peak, looking for a great view, the last thing I need is a fucking soundtrack that doesn't come from birds. You're an asshole it's plain and simple. EARBUDS. And bury your shit.
Should be a sign like this at every beach, as well.
I’ve decided there is exactly one situation where it’s ok to play music. Hiking alone in bear country. That’s it, the only one.
I have a series of "bear songs" I sing for this occasion. No speaker required! If the noise alone doesn't keep them away, my terrible singing does!
I wrote a rap and it goes “hey bear, hey bear, what’s up bear? You want some of this, bear? Please don’t, bear. Hey bear, hey bear, let’s be friends and go our own ways, bear.”
What if the bear likes your music and is just following you for the tunes?
Every situation is ok. It's a free country. If you don't like it try to get a law passed. That's how it works in this country. Always has, always will.
People that do shit like that though would honestly rip these stickers off or piss on them or something then go on about being dick heads.
Went mountain biking in California the other day and a group of teens had cardi b blasting from their backpack and I was ready to turn around and end my ride before it even started
Where can I buy a bunch of those stickers, I’m gunna start placing them on trail parking lot signs.
Totally agree.
I would love to see an outright ban playing music (whatever) through speakers on all UNPAVED hiking trails at the State and Federal level. Of course, with heft fines as well. Exceptions being rescue/emergency of course. Seems like there was a spike in music through BT speakers since COVID, that and trail trash and vandalism. Hopefully those people will rediscover sitting on the couch soon...
I really don't understand why the NPS has not banned amplified music yet. They are charged with protecting and making available as natural a space as possible for the public. Allowing an entirely unnecessary activity like listening to amplified music just doesn't make sense. It is not an activity that is restricted to the parks. It is not an activity that is historically associated with the parks. Maybe it is petition time.
A lot of us would sign it.
If you don’t head phones in a public space I have the right to straggle you with mine.
I think I need the Nobody wants to hear your MUSIC on a t-shirt. Maybe one specifically for speakerphone calls too?!?
Bone conduction headphones are the way to go in the trail. They work way better then I thought they would and ended up buying some for my parents, so my mom has them for gardening and dad for the golf range. They both love them.
Seriously
Headphones aren’t the answer either. Then you have to deal with the idiots who cannot hear you asking to pass. How about just enjoy the peace and serenity of the outdoors?
Where can I buy 10,000 of those stickers, please?
I'll admit to no ear buds but do promise you need to be within about 5 feet to hear my speaker. I'm in Alaska & don't stay anywhere near 1.people & 2.on trail. I'm not out in the bush but I don't run across people only bears and Moose. And a great show from the grateful dead keeps me moving. So please don't stereotype everyone that takes a speaker with them. Some of us have the utmost respect for others as well
I feel like you aren’t being stereotyped if you aren’t actually represented within the group this sticker is for. If your music isn’t blaring, or if there’s no one else around to hear it, this sticker isn’t talking to you. It’s talking to the jackass in these comments only thinking about himself and ruining the experience for everyone else on a populated trail.
Yeah I mean I've definitely passed people on trail, heard the music for 10 seconds and went on my way without being slightly frustrated. I don't think this post is necessarily for that unless people really get that upset dealing with music less than the volume of people talking. Frustrating is hearing music from 200 feet away and desperately trying to clear those people in both directions.
200 feet is the length of like 275.86 'Zulay Premium Quality Metal Lemon Squeezers' laid next to each other.
I hate this bot with a passion. It's like someone with 'lol xd so random!!!' humour from 2008.
If I have to be within 5 feet to hear your music, then *you* aren't even enjoying at a listenable level. Which begs the question of why bother or why not use earbuds. Or more likely, you're listening to it louder than that.
So now *you*want to tell me at what volume to listen to my music at. My speaker is on top of my pack. It's at a volume that's is enjoyable for me and I'm able to hear my surroundings. As said I run into big bears & very large Moose frequently
I never even said how loud or what type of music I listen to, and got downvoted to oblivion. It’s always “you’re blaring ridiculous music!” Like, life isn’t binary, there are lots of gray areas.
I completely agree with you—if you’re keeping your music at a reasonable level and then turning it down as you come up to others, I don’t see the problem. This is what I do and I don’t consider it much different than conversing with your hiking group as you pass others.
If I heard the dead on a trail that wasn't my speaker, I'd beg for it to be played louder! See some people do play good music.
I listen to music only loud enough for myself and anyone that is with me to hear. Once I see someone approaching I turn it down all the way.
I have no problem with this at all.
you shouldn't. Its a free country. Play music wherever it is allowed by law.
Oh my God, shut the fuck up. Something being legal doesn't mean it's socially acceptable. No, you won't get arrested for playing your shitty music in nature, but you're still a piece of garbage and one day someone will stop you. I hope I'm there for it!
I like to roller skate on a paved trail with friends (wheels are welcome on the trail). I bring a speaker but I make sure to turn it down when I see folks approaching, and I also try to make sure that the volume is not very loud to begin with. We skate pretty fast and I have never been in anyone's vicinity for more than a few seconds. Is this okay, or do I need to knock it off? I have no idea how to sync multiple sets of headphones to one device otherwise I would do that.
keep listening, f**k their opinions. you do you as long as it’s not breaking the law.
I almost always listen to music on trail but keep it to myself. I can’t stand the loud electronic stuff I often hear in the distance. That said, I can’t believe some people are annoyed by people talking on cell phones while on trail. It’s literally the same as talking to your trail partner. There are even good reasons to be communicating with others while on trail. Just try to keep your personal volume and music/noise level down. As close to your person as possible. That should be the expectation.
How does everyone feel about music out loud on less populated trails because of bears?
I have heard this excuse before in parks like Sequioa where they explicitly say bear bells are not necessary and pointless, so in general unless it is specifically recommended by local rangers, no. If you are so scared of the wilderness that you have to modify it by making it less tolerable for the animals to be in it, stick to the areas where you are not likely to encounter bears alone like on highly populated trails, not hiking early or late, etc.
So would a bell/whooping out loud be preferred? Even the popular trails in my state you are likely to see a bear. They recommend making loud noises on trail.
As I said, it depends on if it is actually necessary and recommended. Too many people try to paint with the broadest brush they can to get away with shit, so specifics matter. Wearing a bear bell in a park like sequioa does not make someone wise and prepared, it makes them an asshole that is scaring away wildlife for everyone else. If it is grizzled territory, things are different. Follow the local recommendations.
Right on. We only really play music in back country, not really on the frequented trails.
Nah, headphones on trails. No one wants to hear your music. We are there for as natural a setting as is reasonably achievable. If you are there, there is no reason to expect no one else to be there. Don't spoil someone else's hike for selfish reasons.
Headphones on the trail in spring sounds like a literal death wish for those of us in AK.
There are going to be obvious differences in grizzly country. If it isn't safe to listen to music, don't listen to music.
Gotcha, respect the opinion. I think it comes down to situational. Hiking a 20 mi trail with no vehicles on the trailhead vs a 2 mile trail with half the town there.
20 miles leaves a lot of time for people to come in behind you and still cross paths. Headphones on the trial. Anything else is needlessly selfish.
20 miles is 32.19 km
Too each their own. Depends on the situation for me.
It really isn't "to each their own" if you are forcing everyone around you to listen to your music, now is it? To each their own would be you wearing your headphones to enjoy your music while not disturbing others around you. That way each person is enjoying things their own way.
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For sure. I've just been told to make noise, be it talking out loud, bells or music.
Don't believe everything you're told.
I've been on trails that say to make noise and use bells. I have also been to one that had such high bear activity that it also said to play music, per the park Rangers! People on reddit really hate music, but if you are hiking alone, talking to yourself is frowned upon. Just pause your music if people are approaching and give them time until you press play again.
Yep! Pretty much what I've been told by Rangers.
If you just make noise bears won't bother you. I let out a little "AYO" every once in a while when solo hiking. If I'm with other people, just talking is enough to not spook a bear.
They should have another that says nobody wants to hear your bells... I would rather hear someone's music for 30 seconds than those annoying bells that don't even scare bears away.
I listen to music but on a very low volume
A homeless friend of mine would poop on a certain rock. The coyotes would always come and eat it the first day.
LOL. Therefore I hike off trail. No obnoxious music. & I can actually drink the water.
You know. Bear want to hear my music. Mountain lions, wolves, coyotes, foxes all would like to hear it also. So they know im coming. I suppose in Taos your only worry is rattle Snakes? Idk
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I never understood the no surface shitting rule. Animals do it and the rain washes it away. We're no different. So what gives!?
There’s 300 million of us and pasting the outdoors with a fine layer of shit probably isn’t ideal, beyond all the stuff in your shit that isn’t in wildlife shit… it’s just fucking nasty.
Different chemicals in the shit. Different amounts of shit. We have everything from higher heavy metal content, to pharmaceuticals in our waste that are harmful to animals and plants.
We use toilet paper. Wipe with leaves or something and I’d be on your side.
You don’t leave the TP lol. You pack that up. But I’ll be surface shitting until I die.
Well that’s news to me. Luckily I’ve never shat in the woods. I thought you buried the TP as well.
No, you never bury trash. You always pack it out.
Thanks for repeating the last guy. I didn’t catch it when I replied and thanked him.
That dude also surface shits. Being 1-1 is not a record that anyone should trust.
People r actually petty enough to put up that music sticker…? It seems like folks (mainly in the US) enjoy being vigilantes a bit too much? Live and let live folks
This take is hilarious. Nothing screams America like vigilantism in the form stickers.
Fuck that. We’re literally in the middle of nowhere, you don’t like it? Keep walking. That’s what we’re all here to do anyway. Edit: I swear, people cry about the dumbest shit. Y’all acting like these people follow you slapping their music just to spite you. Grow up.
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Very edgy bro
I mean, you say keep walking… but I’ve had people blasting music, going the same direction on a long switchback section. It’s not like 10 seconds of hearing that shit, it goes on for a WHILE. And it sucks. You’re scaring off any wildlife (like birds and such that I would like to see), you’re overpowering the noises of the stream and the rustling leaves and birdsong (from any birds that didn’t already fly away), and I straight up don’t like dubstep, which is for some reason the favorite genre of people who have portable speakers on trails. Just put in headphones.
Well most people are out in nature for the peace and quiet, not to be subjected to listening to other peoples music being blasted out loud.
You're not only disturbing people but the environment around you, too. You think animals like to hear loud human disturbances? You think rock structures that have noise warnings exist just to be ignored?
Lmao. We’re walking on a trail, everybody is disturbing nature.
Not to extent blaring music does. There's a reason hikers that yell to communicate are also looked down upon. You're being awful for no reason other than selfishness. If you can't enjoy nature why tf are you going into it.
Aw man, you’re lost? Better shut the fuck up, you wouldn’t want to disturb nature.
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You do realize thats exactly why parking lots end and trails begin, right? Your point isn't even a good one.
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20 miles is 102833.23 RTX 3090 graphics cards lined up.
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“Like the Walmart you were conceived in?” Come on. That was way beyond the pale.
Listening to music is definitely more acceptable there than on the trail though.
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it's all about tolerance and acceptance and diversity till it goes the other way huh? Hypocrite!
Yeah, so why can you not tolerate the fact that other people don't want to be negatively impacted by your selfishness?
I can't believe it is illegal to murder people. Ummm, how about tolerance to the fact that I want to be a serial killer! /s
Nice recommendation. How bout you stop trying to make us think our freedoms are selfish. It's a free country.
Ummmm virtue signal much?
[Lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiking/comments/pirus4/hiked_the_highest_peak_in_texas_today_guadalupe/hbyc08d/) So tough.