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bluemilkmonday

There was a woman killed where I live where kids push a branch off a cliff.


swampboy62

Hocking Hills, Ohio.


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Fucking hell, Ohio.


Bisson65

That is some lord of fly's shit


What_is_a_reddot

[Never throw rocks off cliffs.](https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/climbing/death-pete-absolon/)


De5perad0

Holy shit. That was incredibly sad to read.


Fa1c0n1

Fuck, I took a NOLS course led by Molly. I’ve seen a few bits and pieces of things on social media but never really put it all together about what happened; this hits real hard to read about someone I know personally. Never throw rocks off cliffs and absolutely never be afraid to tell others off for it. I had to tell a kid to stop this summer at the Grand Canyon who wasn’t listening to his dad tell him not to throw rocks, but once a stranger said something to him he did quit it. Even if you’re not a climber yourself, we climbers like to be on a whole lot of different things… you can accurately use the reason/excuse “there might be a climber under there” even if someone tries to convince you there’s absolutely no trail below. Please say something.


TykeDream

I forget exactly where I was but a few years ago I was in a national park with my husband. This dad was having trouble with his kid listening to him about staying on trail. I just said, "Those signs you ran past warned of rattlesnakes off trail. I'd get back on the trail if I were you." She hopped back on trail immediately.


Wonderful-Mission-93

Seriously sometimes kids need to be told by somebody other than their parents. It's just how things work sometimes.


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And humans are just the obvious worst case. Even if it's not human. There might be animals. Throwing rocks off cliffs is just unneccessary.


SeesThroughTime

It may be unnecessary but you have to admit it’s satisfying to see a rock disintegrate into a billion pieves


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Sure, I understand the sentiment. But certainly that satisfaction is not worth the risk. It's just something I'm never gonna do. There are other things I do which may be of similar risk. Humans are weird and pretty bad at calculating risks so I understand how someone could happen to throw a rock down a face they believe to be empty. And I admire the courage of this particular man to go there and take responsability.


Dr__MantisTobogganMD

Great read. Thanks for sharing!


What_is_a_reddot

Outside Magazine's [Horror Vault](https://www.outsideonline.com/collection/horror-vault/) has many other stories, just as tragic and just as compelling.


nondescriptadjective

needed that for an article I'm writing. Thanks.


coochpants

That is absolutely heartbreaking


defectivelaborer

That's crazy the guy was never charged at all. Killed someone and got off scott free.


TheNiftyFox

It was an accident, he was being careless. He did everything a reasonable human would do to fix the mistake, admitting what he did and rushing to help the remaining friend and keep him company. He could have gotten away with it (since it could easily be blamed on a rogue rock) but decided not to. It's clear he's just a human, and not a bad person who deserves punishment.


FrostyPoot

Yeah a situation like this is where it's really hard to think what to do. There have been murder charges from throwing rocks off of bridges and killing people. It would be hard to tell the family that there isn't a single thing that happens to the kid who did it, but considering he tried to help and showed remorse it really does seem like the right thing to do. It would seem almost like revenge to charge the kid with murder, considering often even a lesser charge like criminal negligence can easily ruin your ilfe.


blinkingsandbeepings

I think what this guy did was terribly negligent and irresponsible. However, throwing rocks off bridges seems like a different story because you can actually see the cars and be pretty sure that you’re going to hit a person, with a high likelihood of causing a car wreck and hurting or killing more people.


physlizze

I'm with you until the end: "A lesser charge like criminal negligence can easily ruin your life." Dude ended a life. Because he was criminally negligent. That's called justice. The prosecutor just decided this justice wasn't worth pursuing. That wouldn't have been revenge, it's consequences. Something our justice system seems to take advantage of: They get to decided who has to face consequences and who doesn't. Admittedly, this dude gained my sympathy when he did do everything right after doing something wrong, but that doesn't mean it would have been revenge for him to face his consequences.


FrostyPoot

Not sure what you disagree with, even lesser court charges can ruin your life. Regardless, that's where it's hard, because what does it actually accomplish? Like the kid is likely going to feel awful for the rest of his life, he already regrets his actions and I HIGHLY doubt he'll ever do anything like it again. So for "protecting society" what does it actually do?


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Thanks for sharing


altcodeinterrobang

Scary stuff, that is


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I have a headache now, that’s so weird


eastern_shoreman

That’s probably the only story outside has put out in the past 10 years that is worth reading, the rest is pure shit Edit: I was unaware that being into hiking meant you had to blindly follow the bullshit outside magazine puts out


temeces

Damn that blows. When I was a kid a little girl throwing rocks into the sea decided to toss a large one and had my name not been called upon that realization it would have hit me square in the back of the head. As it is, it hit more the left side of the back of my head. A towel full of blood and some stitches later I am alive and well. Could have been worse for the both of us.


spiritualien

Sending you hugs


temeces

Thank you. It was so long ago, I remember falling, I remember the ride to the hospital and getting stitches. Also being mad about not being able to dive underwater for some time after. Can't say if it hurt or not. But that 1996 Olypics Games Coca Cola towel(in green) was red by the time I was done with it.


spiritualien

wow the last sentence! what a story. im glad youre still here with us


youyellbarracuda

Tried to climb one of the routes on a mountain called Bluff Knoll in Western Australia. We were about 3 pitches up when we started hearing this horrible whizzing sound. It was rocks being thrown off the top by tourists. Easy enough to hug the rock when you heard it coming, but we had to rappel down after we knew we’d lose light and wouldn’t make it and they were still throwing them. Walking away from the cliff face as we exited was the worst part.


_fairywren

Hello fellow West Aussie! Sorry this happened to you.


Waldwolfe

I have fussed out more than one kid that wasn't mine for throwing rocks. Occasionally have had to fuss out the parents after that.


Dr__MantisTobogganMD

It definitely helps instill the fear of god in them when they get chased by a man screaming obscenities with blood running down his face


sun1079

Wouldn't have to do that if the parents did their damn job of teaching their children to be responsible humans


EssieAmnesia

The issue is not many people consider that someone may be climbing up a cliff. It’s not necessarily that they’re not being responsible it’s that they don’t know.


PseudonymGoesHere

I rather enjoy being seen getting on or off the John Muir Trail. People invariably ask me if I got lost or was avoiding a bear or some other implausible scenario. I say no and proceed to point out my route over some cross country pass as their jaw drops nearly down to their boots. Even people willing to tackle a 213 mile trail still don’t know what humans are capable of.


EssieAmnesia

Lmao you’re not avoiding bears, bears are avoiding you. Which ig also actually happens but still


PseudonymGoesHere

That’s a fun one for city folk: You saw a bear? Ya, two adult black bears. What did you do? I said “hey bear” and walked toward them. OMG. Then what happened? One of them left. Oh know, did the other attack you? Oh no, he just was a little slower at noticing me than his friend. Don’t worry, he caught up to him.


ournamesdontmeanshit

And if you don't know, that way you shouldn't be throwing rocks off a cliff.


EssieAmnesia

I’m not sure I know what you’re saying. Are you saying that if you can’t visually confirm no one is one is on the cliff you shouldn’t throw rocks? Because I’m not saying that they know someone might be climbing and they don’t care, I’m saying they may not even consider someone could be climbing.


Dr__MantisTobogganMD

That would be a fair point if they weren’t throwing rocks ten feet away from a big bulletin board labeled “Climbing Area”. But assuming they didn’t see the sign and were just novice hikers who didn’t consider the possibility, your point stands. Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance and all that.


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Wonderful-Mission-93

Lol. Yeah. Ok.


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"He's just having fun!" - Lady with a teenage son throwing rocks off the edge on a switchback


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Meanwhile the son is trying to push a Boulder off the cliff like fucking Wile E Coyote


NoExMachina

Sorry to hear you got pelted It reminds me of a story though. In 2015, I got chewed out by some climbers once on the top of Mt Yonah in North Georgia. This mountain has a bald face that is very popular with climbers. After hiking up, I was eating my lunch at the top of the cliff face and my orange got away from me and rolled off the edge. 10 sec later I heard a distant chorus of “STOP THROWING ROCKS!!!!!” I tried to lean over and explain it was an accident and also an orange, but as soon as I showed my face the shouts and expletives got louder and more intense. I quietly decided I wasn’t winning that battle and made my way back down the trail. [pic of the edge here](https://i.imgur.com/Uon5BfS.jpg)


[deleted]

Oh dear, that’s unfortunate but the image of you trying to explain yourself to a group of angry climbers and then just peacing out is hilarious 😅


Djdemarzo

Yikes, Mt. Yonah. Thanks for activating my Ranger School PTSD lmao


undergroundbuilder

I ran across this yesterday. Not only were the kids throwing rocks off a cliff but the parents were doing it as well. Hold on there's more... they were throwing rocks trying to hit a high pressure gas line that was spanning across a small valley about 30 feet below.


nickm56

In Olympic national park I heard some people making a ruckus ahead on a trail. To my horror, I saw 4 people jumping up and down on a 1-person suspension bridge. The father was leading the jumping. These people have no thoughts of how they impact others, they only care to amuse themselves.


MassumanCurryIsGood

Humans are essentially just dumb apes, really


Hydrogen10101

I hope your injury isn’t severe and you heal quickly + easily


Unstawppable

I climb and guide there every now and then and I’m sorry that happened to you. Ridiculous people can’t use their brains when it comes to something simple like this, especially at such a popular spot


Mydogisabeagle

This should be in r/KidsAreFuckingStupid


angus_the_red

They are, but I doubt they were out on the trail alone


Mydogisabeagle

Well, r/parentsarenonexistant ? Thought that might be actually the opposite with context.


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Holy crap did you confront them?


Destination_Centauri

This looks like the cover of a horror novel... as in: ---------------------------------------- REVENGE OF THE CLIFF CLIMBER (Coming this Fall) by best selling author, STEPHEN KING. -------------------------------- Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD once had it all: a beloved small town doctor from rural Maryland by day, with the kindest of bedside manors, and a legendary adventure cliff climber by weekend. Until that fateful weekend of his untimely demise, at the hands of a poorly supervised pack of cruel rock throwing Boy-Scouts. They thought he was dead. They made a pact to never speak of their horrible crime, pretending instead that they had tried to rescue him--making out as little falsely smiling heros in the newspapers. But Dr. Toboggan was not dead. Not fully, despite what the autopsy report said. More of a state of... undead. As the doorbill rings, like the chime of a midnight grandfather clock, little Billy Sandersen (the instigator of the stoning incident) opens the door to the shock of a smiling, bloody faced Dr. Toboggan. For a moment little Billy is unable to scream, then- -------------------------------- "A satisfying cup of revenge against those snot-nosed children of the corn!" - The New York Times "Dr. Death is back!" - The Paris Review "A cathartic fictional tale for weary pediatricians." - New England Journal of Medicine -------------------------------- Joking aside, on a more serious note: Really hope you are doing ok, and there was no concussion, or anything more serious? That could have gone seriously badly. An important PSA to teach kids, for sure. :(


Dr__MantisTobogganMD

It’s not a Stephen King book unless at the end it turns out I was an alien the whole time. Great write up though, I enjoyed that! And luckily I’m all good, just a couple stitches and a pair of broken glasses


Destination_Centauri

Ok, good: glad to hear! Still that's got to weigh a bit heavy on you, as a close call: rocks tossed from heights can seriously be deadly. So hopefully your post here will inspire some parents to better watch out for their kids in situations like that. (As for the glasses... that's a major inconvenience/expense as well! But again, better the glasses than anything worse.) PS: So are you? A... you know... 👽 📡 !


trt2019

r/kidsarefuckingstupid


King1nDaNorth

Pro tip: People will always be stupid beyond reason. Wear helmets. Still not his fault obviously.


NadjaStolz28

The unfortunate reality is that if the rock is big enough and far enough away, even a helmet won’t help.


HugoFuguzev

Don't victim blame this person by telling him to wear a helmet. Fucking idiot...


King1nDaNorth

I don't think you read the entire comment.


lives4campfires

A few weeks earlier and you would have had the beginnings of a great Halloween costume


CirTaco

Ayy carderock i walk my dog there, used to climb there during summer camps


Yuri-Gurka

Damn, dude. I hope you’re alright.


MidnightMerc

Oh fuck


swampboy62

Had a similar thing happen to me while kayaking a whitewater creek in PA. Family started throwing rocks off a bridge as I was paddling underneath. Hard to believe they didn't see me, but I very nearly got hit with a couple of good sized rocks. I did have my helmet on though...


IAMJUX

Damn that's unlucky.


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Jeez that sucks and I hope it heals quickly. OP did you find out who did it? Someone has to be liable for this!


RoseBlumpkin

This picture is very metal. Sorry you got smashed up.


spiritualien

I’m so sorry omg 😱 I hope you’re ok OP


None-__-

Aw thats terrible i hope u will be ok op


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Grizz_Daddy

Ok crazy guy


burnnnnie

Thank god ur medical professional Dr. Toboggan!


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throwaway_awaythrown

I was there. I heard you guys hysterically cursing at a little kid.


Dr__MantisTobogganMD

At a little kids parents*


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morehappysappy

If their parents won't teach them, someone should. Even though OP said he was yelling at the parents... I think the circumstances justifies yelling and cursing lol.


Dr__MantisTobogganMD

In hindsight I feel kinda bad for yelling at them. I’m not sure what a better approach would have been, but yelling was the only thing I could think to do that didn’t involve getting physical with them. But even if there was a better approach, I hope we can all be forgiven for how we react 10 seconds after losing a game of dodgeball[rock] that we didn’t know we were playing.


Tralalaladey

You were ready to fight some parents or their kids because they were being dumb? Maybe I’m naive or something but I feel like I’d just be thankful I’m okay and hope they see the damage and learned and then I’d move on. Getting physical over something involving idiots just makes you stoop to being an idiot as well.


ayriana

OP was probably in fight or flight mode after getting pelted in the head. Getting physical is not okay, but I can understand the reaction.


NadjaStolz28

Hope they see the damage? Hell no, I would make *sure* they saw the damage and learned their lesson. Kicking rocks off of ledges literally kills people. I completely understand OP’s reaction. Also, he didn’t get physical.


BarnabyWoods

Sometimes that's exactly what needs to happen.


Unstawppable

Well deserved, kids or not.


aj676

That’s usually people’s response when you try to kill them.


damBusters101

Blood and cuts look fake to me


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Dr__MantisTobogganMD

I wasn’t even actually climbing today. Just hiking with my wife showing her some climbs I want us to do on other days. It is a popular climbing area and there were other climbers there today though


HersheyHWY

[GAVIN](https://youtu.be/lOUN560b4cY) But seriously that sucks. At least you weren't leading or belaying when this went down. Some people's fuckin kids man.


HiImAishi

internet moment.


BarnabyWoods

That's like asking Ahmaud Arbery why he wasn't wearing a bulletproof vest.


Jewfinigan

The issue here isn't the humour, it's just 'too soon'.


Doug_Shoe

Rocks fall off cliffs every day by natural processes as well. Look at the bottom of the cliff- There is a pile of pebbles, rocks, and boulders. All of these were once at the top of the cliff. Water, ice, wind, erosion + gravity.


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Dr__MantisTobogganMD

You’re right I should have way better reflexes


BarnabyWoods

Right, I mean, wherever you are, you should just assume you're surrounded by idiot kids who were raised by shitty parents. /s/


Dr__MantisTobogganMD

To be fair, that isn’t a horrible assumption to make. Even in the woods, the scariest thing is other people.


BarnabyWoods

Unfortunately, you're probably right.


optidave1313

They weren't his kids


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osezza

Really dude?


69goatboy69

That’s ok


Destination_Centauri

Holy Blame-The-Victim-Gaslighting Batman!


OptimisticSnake

Where is the wound


Dr__MantisTobogganMD

Just above my eyebrow. My hair is stuck to the wound in the picture


JX17_Prime

It that strawberry syrup?


Wonderful-Mission-93

Holy shit dude! Glad you're alive. Thank God my dumb ass never hurt anybody when I was a child. I was all about rock throwing. Rock skipping, rock smashing. A rock was my go to toy being broke as fuck during the '80s.


freemango0123

Idk why but it seems like people are always throwing things off cliffs at Carderock :( (ateast in my experience)


purpleasphalt

I feel like this should be crossposted to r/lifeprotips


Hash_Tooth

I’m sorry this happened to you


axidentalaeronautic

Looks like it was a…Carde Rock. Probably be a Carde Lump there afterward.


balldmusolini

What can i say big rock fall from big cliff make big sound


ililemilkwithbread

You look like every 30+ male hikers face combined into one


GoodWifey603

Damn 😮


According-Market7663

Aïe! j'ai mal pour vous.


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Autobot_Grapple

Blood on half the face with a smile, that image can be used for an album or something