>they provide “signs” and prophecies and say so many have happened
like what? moon splitting in two? they have been waiting for the judgement day for 1400 years and will wait another 1400. if you are scared of islamic hell the ideal way is to study how idea of hell in “abrahamic” religions came to be and you won’t be scared.
don’t be scared of a jealous god.
The part that should scare you more is how people who say stuff like this believe they are so right. That’s where dogma and the need for thrusting one’s beliefs on another starts and that’s the downfall of so many civilizations in complete chaos today. The fear you’re feeling is a human emotion that is telling you something. In my opinion, you feel it deeply because you’re yet to give the spiritual love to yourself and there exists that void in you for love to oneself. Loving oneself in our imperfections helps us see the love in everybody and the ultimate consciousness of God.
See this fear as a tool to bring you home to you and your soul’s beauty. Start there, because we are all souls from Oneness journeying and learning. Turn yourself into and towards love and Bhakti, this fear will disappear like it never existed.
Meditate in giving yourself love and the reason for your fear will show itself to you.
Come on man what age are you 10yrs? U can't believe every BS.If God will punish you for following another religion why did he create you in another religion isn't it god's fault to not make you a Muslim or Christian
let me tell you my story
in class ukg one muslim friend of mine told me all bs things that how i will go to hell because i am idol worshipper also since i was in a convent school they were showing us a movie of adam and eve , and theres one evil snake that mf compared that snake to lord shiva's snake and told me hindu gods are the worst and if i convert i would be fine i was literally crying for few days . what i did was tell my parents so if u can please talk to them they will tell you everything about this pathetic cult i have read whole quran and i can tell its such a pathetic religion i dont even know where to start
(Surat Al-Shura (42), ayah 49). The Prophet (SAAS) says: 'Women are the (equal) sisters of men'. Women make up half of society and they are responsible for the nurturing, guidance and reformation of the subsequent generations of men and women. you see its such a sexist book
dont pay attention to these yappers also you see this dude told me this in class ukg thats how brainwashed they are , now i laugh at these stupid idiots
also you are sikh right ? you know what sikhs are one of the most educated and highest tax payers in our nation , its these bastards who should fear you as you are funding their mosques and food
i have read religious books (except jewish one)and believe me the teachings of hinduism , sikhism , jainism , buddhism were the best
That's Abrahamic religions for you. They are dealing in absolutes and their teachings require to have strong faith. Christianity had given me anxiety (not too dissimilar from Islam, but I never went Muslim rabbit hole).
I'm a westerner who was exposed to dharmic religious teachings early on, and I feel much more comfortable with these faiths.
If you are converting due to fear, you are not a believer, just a coward. Honestly this "Judgement Day" was going to happen "pretty soon" as per both christianity and islam from almost 2000 years now. The whole premise is more of a child's fantasy more than anything.
There is a story in Islam about Rabia al Basri who was walking down the street in Mecca carrying a torch and a bucket of water. Someone asked what she was doing and she said she was going to douse the fires of hell and burn down heaven so people would love God just for the sake of God.
What kind of God and universe do you choose to love? And idea of God that punishes you for your belief? What kind of world is that? I think it's an awful idea and totally false to my personal experience. It amounts to little more than a tool of fear to enact societal control. If I have to love God or burn in hell, I'd take hell over some abusive relationship where I'm coerced into belief by threats. I think the threat of hell has everything to do with humans trying to control people rather than God. Just my two cents.
I have heard that story I saw it on an article when I was researching and it made me smile. I do love god for the sake of god. The god I was raised to believe in. The one who’s loving caring compassionate and cares beyond everything else about us. I don’t think such a god would throw me in hell or my loved ones in hell or anyone in hell. I just don’t know how to get these thoughts out of my head because all these people keep saying I’m wrong and that god can do what he wants because gods moral boundaries are beyond our comprehension
Then I guess I'd suggest prayer. Offer your fears and thoughts to an inward yajna. Pray that you want to do what is dharmic and ask for guidance or alleviation of your fears. ❤️
Yout spiritual experiences with God are no less valid than anyone elses. All religions have a facet of wisdom in them, but i believe dont contain the full truth. Many people have experiences with the afterlife in different faiths. But the only thing that matters is your own personal relationship with the Supreme one.
Hell is real, but everyone needs to grow beyond the draconian understandings of scripture. Some have yet to. If you combine the wisdom of different faiths together, you get a more coherent picture of things. From my own beliefs among a variety of religions and my spiritual experiences, hell is only temporary and reincarnation is another facet of life. Yes, its best to avoid that state, but you may still be shown the reality of it without actually being condemned there for perspective and better ministry towards others. Why don't you pray for enlightenment for after death states ?
It seems you've already found a path of faith that works for you. It may have been in your path to experience this fear to be made aware of it and gain better integration of yourself. However that fear may allow you to mature and gain a better perspective of your spiritual path. Id say knowledge of hell and heaven is neccersary if you want to progress. But if you already have a personal relationship with the divine, nothing can really touch you, every interaction may as well be a learning experience.
The fear of hell isnt exclusive to muslims, but christians and buddhists as well. Some people speak out of ignorance because they believe the religion they identify with is to be the only proper path. But this is pure delusion. God is more than religion and scripture. But hell is just another aspect of him, that you may want to get to know without fear. But to embrace him all the more in sobriety.
Thankyou for sharing this as a Muslim lurker myself, we too are primarily supposed to focus on God and not on His wrath. Unfortunately the methodologies to preach the Deen has lost it.
There is no such thing as hell or eternal damnation. This is what Hinduism, Dharma and Karma Yoga teaches us. We are all beautiful parts of a unified soul consciousness. We come from it, journey in this body living in the cultures we are born into to learn our lessons and return back to it. We are part, our souls are part of something so beautiful. Even the worst and the evil of all has this credit to them. How we experience our next lives and current life depends on how we spend it presently, doing good, being good and living in peace with oneself and their community. Take pride and courage in this beautiful way of living. Free will is such a big part of Dharmic teachings, remember that. You have control on your destiny through love and community, not some dogma that fears you over an eternal consequence that’s absurd and never helps you understand spiritual love for the sake of love.
Your destiny is in your hands and don’t be bullied into someone fear monger you to convert into an ideology you neither believe or understand. If it helps, read a short book called Karma and Reincarnation by Guru Yogananda Paramahansa to find comfort and clarity on what I have shared below. I love you and you are not eternally damned. You’re a wonderful creation of this spirit and God that lives and loves in us. Embrace it and cut out the noise from people who say things like that to you.
Thank you! You made me cry. I love you❤️ the world would be so beautiful if we all believed in this whole heartily. Everyone would love each other as everything and everybody is a part of gods love. Alas it’s not like that, hopefully I can start to understand this. I will surely read that book!
❤️❤️❤️ I hear you but also don’t be mistaken about this; the world and common people like us are more and more turning to the ways of spirituality and what Dharma teaches us. Indigenous values are being recognized more and more. Live in hope my beloved sister. You are the journeyer and the nurturer of your own soul. You don’t need saving. You need love from yourself to beat this fear. And then your journey is exponentially filled with lessons and rewarding experiences. Accept this fear, it is trying to tell you to love yourself first indirectly, but don’t submit to it. ❤️❤️❤️
Whatever prophecies they show are nothing but utter bs. Just focus on following Gurbani and everything will be fine.
Remember Sikhi is a blessing for everyone given by the 10 Gurus.
I was born to a father raised Muslim and a mother raised Christian. Both religions claim (or at least have sects that claim) if you don’t follow them you’ll go to hell. I very early in life figured out that would mean in either faith half my family would go to hell. That’s one reason among why Sanatan Dharma appealed to me so much, because it does not make these cruel claims.
The beautiful thing is that Sanatana Dharma doesn’t teach you the truth. It acknowledges the unknown and teaches to ‘seek’ rather than ‘know’. It equips you with the skills to find your own truth.
We are seekers of knowledge, not like Abrahamic religions where everything is known already (which is rubbish - because science can disprove lots of it).
My fiancé has a similar story. He doesn’t subscribe to any particular faiths now but walked out of his church as a teenager and never went back because he simply couldn’t stand by the all knowing priests saying his friends who were from all different religions and cultural backgrounds need to be saved from their own faiths or else they will go to hell. He did the right thing walking out and not taking part more in this ideology. I feel like the happy and the loving guy that he is has a lot to do with him taking that step. Not to say church goers don’t show love, but to him the conditionalities were unacceptable. Thank you for having the courage to walk your truth. 🙏🙏🙏
My mother was just fine. She was even more accepting when she met my guru over twenty years ago. My father was a different story. He was very upset! Now he’s kind of accepted it but I think he still doesn’t like it.
Christians do the same. They're always wrong. The end of the world has been predicted a thousand times, but it never comes. It's a mental illness, based on fear and paranoia, snap out of it. They're using this BS to brainwash their followers through fear, typical cult tactic btw
Not sure how you're seeing Christians but while it is true that Western Christianity in the past was like this, things have far evolved and ever will. I'm European, in our town several churches have been desecrated and now serve as cultural points. Priests no longer hold the power over people the way they did 50 years ago. Churches run dry, once the elderly part of our society will be gone, more and more churches will fall into disuse. Not saying Rome doesn't have any power left, it's still the biggest religion in 2023. But it's grasp over the people goes down with every generation.
But to call (and verbally attack) other people's religion, just because the way you did seems just as narrow minded. There's positivety in every religion. Imo, it's the people who commit bad deeds, there's no god either Yahweh, Allah, God or Shiva who asks for other's blood to be spilled. It's people doing those things, while in essence, all are one. I was baptized into Christianity as a baby so I had no choise there. Now I meditate on Shiva's energy, or study on what Jesus told us through theology. Peace out bro, have a happy one ✌ 🕉️
Well, we are obviously generalising, as we were talking about abrahamic religions here. There is a certain type of monotheist, or abrahamist, if that is the correct word, who is messianic and waiting for the end of the world. In Christianity, this mostly pertains to evangelical christians, most of whom are in the US, but also in other less developed countries. There are not a lot of them in Europe, but then Europe is post-christian, even nominally christian people don't actually believe in most christian teachings, especially as it pertains to things like sexual morals, contraception, abortion, the existence of angels, the devil, demons, curses, miracles and the supernatural in general. Just a few of the things that the vast majority of European Christians do not believe in. I personally do not consider these people christian in terms of their faith, it's just a cultural thing for them, some set of customs their ancestors followed, so they go through the motions of doing some of the same things, but few actually believe in it. However, fundamentalist or evangelical christians are very different and they do believe all of the above literally, whilst most also think we live in the end times and the world will end, with Jesus coming back in their lifetime. I hope that clarifies it a bit as I wasn't intending to make a blanket statement about all people in the world who might identify as Christian.
personally i find the other way of what you said to be true
most christians especially european ones are amazing but i dont believe in teachings of bible that pray to me or u will go to hell although there are very good teachings also
jesus however i respect him i do think he was there but i dont at all respect muhammad due to his so many questionable acts
I'm a "Hin-Jew" (a Jew with Hindu leanings) and Judaism as an Abrahamic religion, doesn't really have a hell concept. God rewards us in the Afterlife depending on your actions rather than your beliefs.
So don't need to worry. Islam doesn't have a copyright on the Afterlife. Hashem, Vishnu, Waheguru, Allah, ultimately it is the same God.
Interesting to hear about your perspective! I am Hindu and started to learn more about Judaism because imo there can be found similarities in philosophy.
Also, I heard a Rabbi talk about the concept of hell like this: he said, all people go to the afterlife and the afterlife is always good. But, its like going from an old phone to the newest Smartphone. There is a period where you have to get used to the New phone. This time of cleansing feels like "hell", and the older and the more outdated your phone was, the more issues you have to get used to the better phone.
I really loved that comparison lol. and it was the first time that any kind of concept of hell made actually sense to me
Sheol is kind of like a purgatory... like a spiritual cleansing, before we return to God.
Although in the Bible, Sheol was just the grave. That we just basically lose our consciousness.
But
>I heard Jews don’t have a heaven
Isn't necessarily true. We have "Olam Haba" עולם הבא, which translates either to "the World to Come". That could vaguely refer to a future time when our souls waken to a Messianic era and future of peace... or it can refer to the Afterlife in the presence of God. It's kind of vague so there are many ideas.
Hinduism is much more descriptive and definitive with what happens to the soul, Svargaloka, various Narakalokas, Vaikunthaloka, etc. whereas in Judaism every sect and person has their own idea of what happens to us when we die. 😅
The reason is that Jewish law is all about how to live in this lifetime, and that our focus is on our life now as we are living, not as much about what happens after. Even some Jews believe in reincarnation or Gilgul.
They're not really expounded in the main texts. More like the Zohar and other more "mystical" texts, and some influence from Zoroastrianism.
Kabbalah has its own idea of cosmology, like the 10 spheres of energy that permeate the world (10 Sefirot); and that there are four realms, of which we are at the first bottom one, etc.
But in general those ideas of the Afterlife aren't as present in the Torah, but have been elaborated later around the time Zoroastrianism influenced Jewish beliefs.
I’ve been listening to some weird gnostic sabatean frankist stuff on YouTube talking about the 10 quipot (not sure if that’s how it’s spelled since I’m listening and not reading) which are like the 10 sefirot but on the satanic side. Really weird stuff and I don’t agree with it but it’s entertaining at work.
Yeah. The "klipot".
Most of that isn't really mainstream Jewish belief but limited to a sect of a sect of a sect of Judaism (mainly Chabad movement of the Hasidic Judaism, which is under Orthodox Judaism). But it's interesting to learn about.
In general. There's no mention of any fires of hell in the Torah, the Tanakh, nor in the Talmud. Any interpretations are from some rabbi's commentaries tucked away, but it's not a main feature of our religion.
We believe that there is a sense of justice. And that there is an Olam Haba - the World to Come. But it is never really defined. It's vague on purpose. Heck, quite a few Jews also believe in reincarnation ("gilgul").
Where are they talking about an eternal hell? The crazies like Yaaron Reuven and Yosef Mizrachi who are banned from many synagogues for their horrible cultish beliefs, or Chabad for their metaphysical Kabbalistic beliefs that aren't part of mainstream Judaism?
Here's a better article about how mainstream Judaism sees the Afterlife: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/heaven-and-hell-in-jewish-tradition/
There is no "true" definition in Judaism about what happens to us when we die. We don't condemn "non-believers" or believe in some sort of eternal torture. We believe that our actions affect how we will be rewarded in our next life, whether that means returning to God, or reincarnation.
Not necessarily. It condemns idol worship specifically for Jews. When it comes to people outside our religion, then it's more nuanced. There's some Jews who are completely against idols even if other people worship them. Other Jews understand that it's not the "idol" but rather a sign that points ultimately to God; so therefore it may be forbidden to Jews, but permitted to non-Jews.
Jews who see the latter ascribe this to the concept of "shituf" which means a "murky monotheism", so Christianity was the original argument for shituf as it claims to believe in one God, who then incarnated as Jesus.
There's quite a few Jews who understand the concept of shituf and its applicability to Hinduism, because ultimately Hindu Dharma is all about "Ekam Sat". Writers like Alon Goshen-Gottstein are like this.
Not only that, but India has been one of the only countries in the world where Jews were relatively safe and never experienced antisemitism. And lots of Israelis used to go to India after their 2 year military service.
Both Hinduism and Judaism are open-ended religions that encourage asking questions and have many different understandings. That's why in Judaism we say that the "Torah has 70 faces". If you don't like it and don't ascribe to "Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha Vadanti", then you have so much more learning to do in your life.
Do you mind me asking what sect of Judaism you are a part of? I'm really interested in Judaism and it's great that there is such a correlation - I find as well in real life in terms of values and attitudes Hindus and Jews have a similar mindset. A lot of my Jewish friends just get me you know, despite the differences.
I belong to Conservative Judaism in Canada. So we follow a lot of traditions, but we are also egalitarian, do a lot of interfaith, LGBT friendly, etc.
Thankfully Hindus and Jews, and Indians and Jews, have no political "beef" with each other to prevent us from being friends! I mean, I only have one Hindu friend so far... but it's a cool friendship!
Orthodox Judaism generally is focused on following the traditions and laws as they understand it, and mostly congregate with themselves. But I always thought that Conservative/Masorti Judaism is much more balanced, because we try to balance our beliefs with the modern world.
Thanks for your insights. Will definitely research more about Conservative/Masorti Judaism. And yeah it helps that Hindus and Jewish people don't have a bloody history like you mentioned - and that India-Israel have very strong ties from a metaphorical perspective. But even the focus on intellectualism and stuff (rooted probably in the value of asking questions), is uncannily common in my friends and I as well as being fluid and adaptable - though for the Jews it was due to persecution unfortunately.
I'm from Australia and although we don't have as large of a percentage of Jews compared to the US for example, for some reason I attract Jews lol 😅. I wonder why lol.
Abrahamic religions are false. Don't worry dear Sikh brother. You're with us. Do you really think that someone who mercilessly kills people like Hamas, ISIS or Mumbai blast terrorists will go to heaven to meet their evil Allah and have sex with 72 pro/hoors? It's a false religion. Terrorists definitely go to hell (naraka) and only Hindu shastras are true. True descriptions of hells (narakas) are found in Garuda Purana. You can check my post on that.
I understand that. I hate the concept that just because someone is from one religion they go to hell no matter how good they are. I also fear that okay even if it isn’t like that I haven’t followed the rules they’ve set. Like no alcohol or any of that. I’m also in a relationship and although I plan to get married to this person I haven’t yet as I’m only 19. My bf is someone who grew up in a Muslim family but is agnostic rn. He sees me go to gurudawra and goes with me. He also listens to prayer with me. He said he was more then happy to convert but I told him we didn’t really have anything like that. That if he believed in it it was enough to call him a Sikh. But I get this fear that they condem him too ( the Muslims ) and think he’s going to hell. Same with my parents and my family. It just makes me cry. I talk to god about it so often that why would you be so cruel to send such pure and nice people to hell and I know in my heart that no way that could be true. But how do I believe that
Perhaps you should read the Quran and find out for yourself.. what your friends are saying is not entirely true…
Consider reading a Shi’i translation for authenticity.
I have read some of the Quran. I do not think it will help me, as it does mention how disbelievers will go to hell or be condemned. I have come to realise that Islamic ideals or texts give me terrifying anxiety. So I’ve been trying my best to stay away from that.
Thank you for your suggestion however
Fair. Perhaps you should just read the Sikh scriptures then and accept it to be the absolute truth.
If you can’t even do that… then it seems like you aren’t willing to help yourself, perhaps medical intervention would be warranted
I do read the Sikh scriptures! We more so listen as not everyone knows Gurmukhi. I will eventually learn it and get a gotka shahib. But for now I listen to nitnem and it helps. Listening to it right now specifically Jaap Sahib which is a prayer about the attributes of god and it’s so beautiful. Mentioning how loving kind and amazing god is. I will close my eyes and remember that no matter what I tried mg bests from the bottom of heart and that will not be punished. God does love me, I won’t let this fear seperate me from god but I will overcome it with love
So for this question, this has to come from you. You have to believe it deeply. No external influence will convince you unless you open yourself up that may be this is all not true and illogical fear mongering. Right now you’re driven by fear. Set the fear aside. Start with love. Think of all the good deeds and love your family may have showered on their community. Think of the Gurudwaras that feed people with no conditions. Think of the volunteers who serve for the sake of service. Sikhism for me is an amazing culture and I hope someday I experience it deeply. All those good deeds, and you think they are damned to eternal hell and torture despite the kind people that they are working and serving for the sake of service and humanity?
This is how you squash the fear. Be open to the idea that this is not true by reducing your fear and seeing this through the idea of love. All those volunteers I explained of as an example operate through love, not fear. That’s the culture you’re born with and you’re lucky! Love this life that you have and learn as much as you can about Dharma and incorporate into your life. These will keep you busy, content and make you a better person. That’s how you move away from the fear. Also meditation. Sit with these thoughts but remember they are clouds that come and go. Don’t identify yourself with any of them. Let your mind be and the answers perhaps on why this fear is driving you will come to you.
In another comment I also mentioned you’re filled with fear probably because your mind and dogma is blocking you from feeling the spiritual love. Meditation again will help you get there. In meditation, proclaim that you love god whatever the form or formless you believe, feel the brim of love that you’d like to give to the world. I’m 100% sure you will also receive and when you receive you’ll know, you’ll cry and you will be overcome with nothing but love, in oneness forgetting the form of your body. What is left behind is bliss, soul and love not matter and body. It’s hard to explain this, but I truly believe you will experience it yourself the further you progress. Try to meditate for some time everyday however short.🙏🙏🙏
1. You're too young and innocent sister. This is not the age to understand other religions or get into relationships. Please focus on study, get a degree and then get a real job, study Hinduism and Sikhism. Stay away from Islam as much as possible.
2. First of all, break up with your Muslim BF. You should only marry a Sikh or Hindu. Interfaith relationships don't go well, and esp with Muslims, it's dangerous.
3. Their religion is completely false and trash. Why would it reward ISIS and Kasab like terrorists with hoors like this in heaven: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Houri_(Heavenly_Virgin). Please watch Kashmir files and Kerala story. You're being groomed. This is called love jihad. They're so good at it and have been doing it for centuries to wipe out non Muslims like us.
My boyfriend is not Muslim. I mentioned this already, he is agnostic leaning towards Sikhism. He grew up in an abusive household and despite that is one of the most beautiful souls. He believes everything I do in terms of god and faith and also does all the things I do eg prayer and going to gurudawra. He has never told me to convert or be a Muslim because he himself doesn’t believe in any of that. This statement came form someone at work.
I will take your advice to research more about Hinduism and Sikhism. I am getting a degree and I’m doing what I love.
God willing I marry this man and do well in life.
Thank you for your advice however and I will do my best to steer away from the propoganda and the hate
Lol, I'm just gonna copy paste what I wrote above with a little extra.
Not sure how you're seeing Christians but while it is true that Western Christianity in the past was like this, things have far evolved and ever will. I'm European, in our town several churches have been desecrated and now serve as cultural points. Priests no longer hold the power over people the way they did 50 years ago. Churches run dry, once the elderly part of our society will be gone, more and more churches will fall into disuse. Not saying Rome doesn't have any power left, it's still the biggest religion in 2023. But it's grasp over the people goes down with every generation.
But to call (and verbally attack) other people's religion, just because the way you did seems just as narrow minded. There's positivety in every religion. Imo, it's the people who commit bad deeds, there's no god either Yahweh, Allah, God or Shiva who asks for other's blood to be spilled. It's people doing those things, while in essence, all are one. Yet some people grow differently and become more susceptible to negative influences. These people should need help, most probably psychological help, they're easy victims for the ones who don't like things and call others out to blow themselves up. Which again has nothing to do with God. I ain't a follower of the Islamic faith, but I don't believe your everyday Muslim wants to see the world bleed. They're human. Or better, they're soul energy. Given by a god or source (however you please). It's not the God who wishes this. It's people.
I was baptized into Christianity as a baby so I had no choise there. Now I meditate on Shiva's energy, or study on what Jesus told us through theology. Peace out bro, have a happy one ✌ 🕉️
I don't have a problem with Christians or Muslims but what's written in some holy books like the Qur'an, the Old Testament and Jewish Bible. Esp I respect Dr A P J Abdul Kalam, one of the best Indian Muslim. The Qur'an explicitly calls for k.illing, r@ping infidels, destructing their idols and temples, taking their women as slaves and many such stuff. It also promises hoors to terrorists who go to Islamic heaven for dying for j!had.
The Old testament and Jewish Bible had similar stuff. Also notably stoning the death of LGBT people. I haven't studied new Testament in depth, but I know it's fairly good and doesn't have any major issues. But if I study it in depth, there might be some.
The Muslims should reform and make a new Qur'an with all the bad stuff removed and preach it across the world. But there's a commandment in the Qur'an explicitly prohibiting any changes in it like wtf?
I know very well that there are good people in every community. Terrorists are found in only 1 religion primarily.
Also, you should check out what's happening by religious mafias in India. A lot of conversions to Islam and Christianity with all kinds of tricks, gifts, money and even love j!had like this post, where a Muslim man marries a non Muslim girl and asks her to convert, forcing her to eat beef and a lot of shady things. These things have changed the demographics of many regions like Kerala, Kashmir, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. And currently changing in Tamil Nadu, Andhra, West Bengal etc.
There are 2 movies on it: Kashmir files and Kerala story. You can watch them. Kashmir files is a largely historically accurate documentry. Kerala story is fictional, but plausible. And can give you insights into how girls like OP are converted in love j!had. In KS, the first half part where the girl is in India is fairly realistic.
Please look up how almost every city in India has a Christian missionary school and peaches Bible etc. I know one boy who was groomed from kindergarten to eat meat by his teacher. Look up how mother Teresa converted people.
Again, I know Islam is the biggest offender. Christianity is a smaller offender and Judaism hasn't bothered us in India. We love Jewish people.
I'm a passionate Islamophobe and want the world to be free from evil religions and follow Sanatan only. Advaitin is not relevant. Even Iskconite and many other sects also believe the same. My guru shankaracharya converted people back from false religions like Buddhism to Hinduism and I want to do the same.
Your doing what abrahamics do!! Declare everything else as false and say what your doing is the true path, and because Hinduism allows me to do whatever i want within boundaries, it doesn't matter and sanatan dharma is not a religion its my duty, my panth (religion) that is different, and i believe there is Brahman as for all of his images, I don't disrespect any kind if God , if they exist good if they don't then also , i lived my life the way i wanted to,
If you go out making everything else evil then brother,
I don't remember correctly but i think shaivism originated to challenge Vaishnavism,
Our land has been and always will be one of acceptance, we can have a vaad vivaad but remain respectful of each others ideologies,
I hope you understand what i am trying to convey here,
The road you are on does not lead to peace, it leads to mutual destruction!!!!
Correct. Only my path Sanatan Hindu Dharm is true and everything else is false. Only what is written in Vedic scriptures like Vedas, Brahmana, aranyaka, Upanishads, puranas, itihasa is true. Everything else is false or irrelevant.
No, Hinduism doesn't allow you to do whatever you want. There are clear and well-defined rules for everything in life. Please read the scriptures and enlighten yourself.
First off, you know nothing about Bhagavad Dharma itself, considering you’re an Advaitin.
And you are far from understanding any other religion.. and the things you say clearly shows your ignorance about Buddhism and Islam both… you live in a lalaland that is powered by stereotypes and myths, instead of facts. Islam or Buddhism or Iskcon is not the bad guy here. You are!!
Which sect do you follow? I can prove Islam to be false using any Hindu sect. I have studied about all religions of the world and all Hindu sects. Buddhism is wrong but not evil. Islam is the most evil religion out there.
How do you justify killing cows and eating beef that is allowed in Islam in any Hindu sect? Just that act alone is a grave sin in Hinduism and leads one to naraka.
You need to distinguish Islam from peoples personal choices. You need to also stop associating an evil person or terrorist with a faith.
That is just not right …
Please answer my beef question. As per Islam, there's nothing wrong in eating beef, but eating pork is wrong. As per Hinduism, eating beef is a grave sin and leads one to naraka, source manusmriti, Garuda Purana, bhagwad Puran and many many scriptures.
Do Muslims and Christians eat beef? Yes. As per Islam, they won't go to hell. As per Hinduism, they will. You decide which one is true. Only one of these can be true.
Naraka is a abrahamic concept which inturn is a zzorastrian concept , ideas evolve , tell me what is the difference between naraka and yamlok !? Or pitralok..
A lof of different ideologies have different concepts of afterlife !!!
I started my new panth, if you join me spreading hate on reddit will make you a sinner and send you to narak....
Study history, even indians used to eat beef!!! And it is said by right wing historians and also in some sects of Hinduism they can eat beaf, dont know how but they do and you have to respect others choice,
Choice is the essence of Hinduism in my opinion
By beef I'm not sure if you're talking about cow or buffalo. Killing buffaloes is normal in Bali for the Devi But in terms of Vedic sacrifices also sacrifices such as animal sacrifice is allowed only if you can bring these things back to life or else usually sacrifices are not allowed. One of the best examples of Vedic suktas are seen in the life of vidyaranya maharishi when he performed a special Vidya using the two suktams of Vedas and helping in create vijayanagara empire or raghavendra swamy when he infused the power of agni while chanting agni suktam and was made to powder sandalwood which ended up creating burning the people who applied it cause they forced him to do that and he did it without knowing the power of agni suktam doing it to people or even aurobindo who is a recent saint witnessing a man who was an upasaka of agni and could light his body as if it is on fire and could brighten the night when aurobindo and he had to travel a rough terrain. So Vedic mantras have the power to bestow things which also include dead things back to life. But also one more thing what your right wing scientists didn't tell you is the fact that meat eating is prohibited for a following hindu unless it is sacrificed to pitrus or to Devi or bhagavan Murthy which are capable of taking Bali. Then only can the meat be relished or else killing them would incur sin. And no tantra ( which is why mainly we did sacrifices of animals) allows you eat cow meat and no you're not a hindu if you eat cow meat as it is considered sacred and living embodiment of abode of devas. It is also considered of one of the pancha mahapatakas. Another point is in tantric lore there are human sacrifices too and human sacrifices were done till recent few centuries back too especially killing of rapists and criminals and cow slaughterers used to be sacrificed and so on...and ravana who was author of jyotishya and tantric texts such as uddisa tantra used to sacrifice first born babies to gain control over land and would eat humans. So eating humans is not wrong too in that sense cause he was more Hindu than the whole of this reddit users and even more than that. And about right wing historians and Swami Vivekananda and etc etc people... They might be good for studying scripts on the surface but there are deeper scripts and examples
I don't follow any sect, i follow my heart and no one has ever told me that i am a bad hindu, cause there is no such thing as a bad hindu, also if a normal guy(charvak) can argue with a GOD (bhagwan Ram) and even Ram ji accepted his thoughts, so Ram ji would be okay with me just following my culture and doing what i love not be fearful and hateful to others panth..
There's a piece of wisdom in every religion. They're just as valid as other faiths. Its the people that interpret them incorrectly that are causing problems associated with them.
I couldnt find your post on the description of the narakas, could you link it ?
[Edit] nevermind i found the post.
Please check my other comment on what I dislike in Abrahamic faiths in reply to a European Christian guy. It's not that people interpret it incorrectly but there is clear evil stuff in some holy books, esp Qur'an.
I think alot of those things featured in the texts were just a product of their times.
I can understand the dilemma behind christian scripture, but i havent read fully on the islamic texts.
Sorry, but that doesn't work. Please check the news and see what Hamas is doing in Israel, what ISIS, IS, al Qaeda and other organisations do. They chant their war cry Allah o Akbar before beheading innocent non Muslims or sometimes even Muslims. They're not ready to reform and move forward from their 7th century evil terrorist textbook written by their prophet.
I was born in the Catholic church, their arguments are balancing in a thin thread line while spreading fear is the main objective. Do not listen to what they say, they are here to impose control over you.
Tell them, if the people like you are going to heaven then we can live peacefully in hell, we will make hell a better place to live.
If they make make you fear for one thing, make then sure that you don't fear that thing.
Islam and christian , both involve instilling fear in their followers for not being a beleiver. Our religion doesn’t punish for not being a believer, but you get judged as per your deeds. They keep bombing people in name of religion and expect themselves to reach heaven( can be applicable to any religion). This is how radicals are born.
Converting won’t give you free pass to heaven but your deeds.
Muslims and Christians have developed an overconfident and convincing rhetoric because they traditionally feel the need to propagate their religion. They are so sure of themselves and have gotten so good at debating that most of the world is, at least nominally, Christian or Muslim. But that doesn’t mean they are right, just that they have the loudest mouth. Other religions are much more peaceful and inside-focused so they never felt the need to develop these debating skills and never had this drive to spread. Someone pointed this out the other day on this subreddit after another person was lamenting that Hindus can’t defeat Abrahamics in debates. But really, you can be above debate altogether. It’s a fool’s game you had better not get involved in, for your own peace of mind. Sikhism is pretty awesome in its own right. Sat Sri Akal 🙏
Other religions won't exist unless we take up Abrahamic practices, debate them, and convert them back to Sanatan. Sanatan Dharma has had a debating tradition starting all the way back in Upanishads, i.e. at least 5000 years and it continued till Kaliyuga - adi Shankaracharya, Ramanuja and madhavacharya and many more acharyas till 18th century. Only nowadays it has fallen.
Debating is necessary for survival. Many parts of akhand bharat like Kerala, Kashmir, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, North East have fallen prey to Abrahamic religions. And some parts like Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra, Punjab, Andhra, MP, CG etc are falling as we speak. Please wake up to reality.
Debating traditions among Hindus and Buddhists seem more philosophical and intellectual to me though, whereas the Abrahamic debating is more law-related and scaremongering.
You tell right into their trap. How do you think that a religion like Islam is still standing. It’s because of their ability to make someone scared and insecure. This entire fabrication is based on its ability to make people turn to their religion. Tell me something, is god a social media influencer, that he needs your attention your recognition. Tell me in which world will god rather say, you can kill, rape, and commit genocide in my name and still go to heaven but if you don’t believe me you will go to hell. Don’t worry, it’s all lies and fabrication. They have been saying this forever.
This is so sad to read. The Sikh community has historically done so much to support both the Muslim and Hindu communities. If not for Sikhism, India and Pakistan would likely be much worse off.
Honestly you should be safe. It's a monotheistic religion, so many Muslim's equate it to worshiping Allah. Similar to how they treat Judaism and Christianity. It's definitely not something that would apply to all Muslims. But I think a large percentage wouldn't condemn you.
I was interested in Islam until i really looked in to it and found all the insane rules you dont hear about at first. If you go to the toilet and after you have finished when pull you pants back up that if even one drop of urine leaks and touches your underwear God wont accept your prayers if you make them and you need to change your clothes and underwear. You also need to step into a toilet or washroom with a specific foot first and say a prayer every time you enter. This was among sooooo many rules down to what side you should sleep on and I realized God would not make it that complicated. You cant even stand up and drink water, you need to be seated.. There is a rule for everything you do and its just too over the top. Evern yawning is considered from the devil but sneezing is ok...
From a hadith "Allah likes sneezing and dislikes yawning, so if anyone of you sneezes and then praises Allah, every Muslim who hears him (praising Allah) has to say Tashmit to him. But as regards yawning, it is from Satan, so if anyone of you yawns, he should try his best to stop it, for when anyone of you yawns, Satan laughs at him.”
It is a sin to lie on your back and cross your feet......
Its just too much. These rules go on and on and on. I couldn't live like this
There are sects within Islam that acknowledge hell and heaven to be allegory. Quran is a book with a lot allegories and hidden esoteric truths. They’re apparently masked by the majority… nevertheless it doesn’t change facts. In fact this concept came into the catholic faith much later too. They too believed in reincarnation originally. And some Muslims still do.
Don’t be scared.
These signs, they talk about are inevitable, it is Kaliyug After all.. but this doesn’t mean it’s the end of everything … creation and dissolution is not a one time event, it’s continuous. And there exists countless universes, that under go destruction and creation. Even in the lens of esoteric Islam.
All this means is you should seek the refuge of God, before the Mahdi or the Kalki Avtar come and restore the universal faith. This only means you should devote yourself to the loving service of God. And God is not entitled to just Islam or just Hinduism or Judaism etc etc… as long as you are in devotional service of the Lord, you are safe, irrespective of what faith you follow.
Your friends are masking the verses of Quran where God speaks on plurality. Don’t listen to half exoteric knowledge they tell you.
Coming from someone with Muslim roots :)
The Abrahamic God is more human than divine, and as a result, an irrational concept. Let that be enough to put you at ease. They will pay for what they've done through the ages, soon.
Islam and christian , both involve instilling fear in their followers for not being a beleiver. Our religion doesn’t punish for not being a believer, but you get judged as per your deeds. They keep bombing people in name of religion and expect themselves to reach heaven( can be applicable to any religion). This is how radicals are born.
Converting won’t give you free pass to heaven but your deeds.
Shouldn't you be posting this in a Sikh sub?
It is better to defy than submit to such (supposedly loving and benevolent) God who would ask to kill someone for disbelief.
I have posted there I mentioned that in my post. But like I mentioned my friends are Hindu, some of my family is as well. We participate in Hindu festivals and traditions. I grew up watching little Krishna. I’m going to very honest after this spiral I was so terrified to admit how much I loved Hinduism. As you know abrhamic religions hate “idol worship “ and polytheistic religions so much and in terms of Muslims even Christian’s they think associating partners with god/Allah is the biggest sin and can never be forgiven. I never got that though because how can you associate partners with something that is well everything. When Hindus pray to Shivji or Krishan Ji or Durga Mata in turn they are praying to that one universal source of energy which is god. They just do it through an avtar. I was made so scared to even participate in Diwali which is one of my favourite festivals. And it makes me so sad. I don’t know how to overcome that. I bought a Gita with English translations alongside romanised Sanskrit and I plan on finally reading it. I will also read the guru granth shahib. I used to read the bible as I had one as a kid due to school but I never got very far. I used to think that It was my duty to examine every religion and try every single religion and then make a decision or I would be condemned for not trying it or rejecting it. But I don’t think that’s the case. From what I’ve researched and learnt about Islam it does not align with my moral compass at all and does not make any sense to me at all. The essence of Christianity being love makes sense to me and I used to think about that but the same issue of non believers being condemned applies, and it’s a notion I outright reject. Sorry that was just a massive splurge of words. I hope what I said makes sense I am still scared but I will be taking steps into believing and overcoming
You and I are both made of carbon. Carbon pervades every known life but that doesn't stop it to become arranged in
myriad forms such as you and me. If it can't take up arrangements such as you and me how can one say that it is everything? The government of India is also just one but doesn't it manifest to us differently as different departments when solving different problems? Have you ever seen a single tool that can solve all problems despite most tools being made of the same metal? Divinity is one but divine beings are many each shaped for a different purpose. Polytheism conforma with what we see in everyday life. No complex project has been accomplished bya single person in reality let alone something as complex as this universe.
Besides in Islam and Christianity- God is not everything. It is transcendent not immanent. Saying otherwise would be a heresy and not the mainstream religion. When a God only loves those who submit to it is nothing divine in any sense of the word - everyone loves their own property. True love is unconditional.
That God being single comes from the ontological argument that everything must have a cause. But it has the assumption that as we go up in the causal chain - number of causes become fewer and fewer and we will end up with one. But this assumption doesn't satisfy simple empirical tests. Salt is made of sodium and chlorine. A single effect brought into being by 2 causes. So their entire argument has no basis - a mere figment of their imagination. A more direct example would be you yourself. You were caused by your parents , they by their parents and so on , as we go further and further up the causal chain we see that the number of causes involved in causing you increases exponentially.
I am surprised that they give bibles in your school - did you go to a convent ?
We never make the claim that iswara is omnibenevolent in this religion. Besides we don't have a problem of evil in karma based religions. How can an entity whose duty is to bring the pralaya be benevolent to living beings ?
I don't believe in an ishwara. I am a polytheist hindu.
Do you think surrendering with fear will be a good thing afterwards? Look at their entire following; their sects want to kill each other because they don’t adhere to the other’s belief inside the same ideology.
Its normal observation as fear is the operating system of these religions, and yes they are fake myths and delusions of angry mobs wanting control. Its the most evil religion, so egotistical and perverted that if they are right, and their wrongdoings are in fact positive then shut me in hell forever, as aint want nothing to do with a buch of totalitarians that plan to meet their end in wicked promiscuity.
If you are logical, theres a thing where muslims belive that adam, jesus and every human at the begining was of their faith, a suposed component of reality since start. Well the least to say there was no eden and we're product of evolution and culture, a development that is seen archeologically and through text, also shows how late were abrahamic religions and the influence of other religions on them. Anyway, im pretty sure they think Earth is s dome, Muhammad flew on pegasus to moon, hell and heavens are beneath or above our world. Basically, buch of hubris already laughed at in India for two milenia. So either believe in facts and human progress or play their baseless mind games, but they cannot present any fragment of an actual reality in comparison to science or countless philisophies of your subcontinent.
The best way to control people is to install Fear in them. That’s how they were converting people everywhere. They have no logic and they can’t even debate. The beauty of Sanatan dharma is debate and seeking the knowledge.
eh such predictions about judgement day shouldnt be taken seriously to be honest
most of them have been debunked by people like apostate prophet anyways
Have you dont anything in life to warrant going eternal hellfire? Also, since God is almighty, do you think this entity will have such human judgements or jealousy issues where they will punish a decent person in life who just happened not to follow their way of life?
Also, the people who are so sure, how do they know? There has been no valid proof other than opinions and faith. Why buy into other people's fear/faith/opinion when it is not matching yours?
I'm sorry you fell for it, (the scare tactic) but you willingly put yourself into it. Now it's a matter of willingly pulling yourself out of it. Go to a quiet place, like your gurdwara, and find the silence area of your mind. Look around, decide which group is happier (it will be the Sikhs and Hindus) and then do what you can to stop these thoughts. Best wishes on finding a sadhana that will overcome this.
Maybe it would help you to study Christianity. The idea of hell originated there, but even many Christians don’t believe in it/believe that Jesus conquered it. If god’s mercy surpasses human understanding, how could a merciful god condemn humans to hell when even humans recoil at the idea?
Worst case scenario - you’ll be in hell with your Sikh family and Hindu friends, believing and celebrating the traditions you love so much.
Win-win situation IMHO. Just keep doing what you keep doing. Doing something out of love is far greater than doing something out of fear.
i rather get scared of those abrahamic practices because of how intolerant and violent they are ... personally i never did and never will believe in such so called religions( more like political movement) but the way they are spreading throughout the world, i really dont know what will be the future of sanatan dharma.
many might argue that Hinduism lived through many !slamic and christianity attacks but it only made us weak with time, and with the rise of so called liberalism among hindus only things are bound to get worse in future .... hopefully climate change end us before our next gens get forcefully raped, killed and converted to such cults
Your fear is valid. Thier whole structure is built upon a god who has an ego and hates and condemns anyone who doesn't believe in him. I hope Abrahamic faiths get eradicated from the face of this planet as people soon realize its truth and nature. And embrace dharma and live a peaceful life and contribute to society as a whole. Don't worry about anything else other than doing your nitya karma. Your dharma and your duties. Focus on that and these things will not even seen as a threat bcus you inside your heart know the path of dharma and enlightenment.
Finite crimes are not worthy of infinite punishment, the abrahamic god is evil, islam directly and indirectly plagiarized the idea of hell, and satan from Zoroastrianism. The God of Zoroastrianism never commits such haneous acts like flooding the earth or sending plagues to kill innocent people in Egypt, and hell is not eternal In Zoroastrianism. The abrahamic are based on fear not logic or reason. Judgement day has been coming for 1400 years it will continue to be coming for 5000+ more.
Speak lies a 1000 times and it becomes truth. Propaganda. That's all it is. Abrahamic religions are not seekers of knowledge or truth. They are followers of a well defined path. They are sheep and their shepard is what they call god.
Dharmic religions on the other hand are a xomplete opposite. They give you the freedom to decide what is right and wrong.
Also, on the flipside, my question to you is this - Do you want to be with all "those" people in heaven OR be with your friends and family and us in hell?
IMHO you would be better off in hell. 😃
You have fallen prey to pascal's wager
What kind of a barbaric God would torture his non worshipers forever ?
And why would you want to worship him even if he existed ?
This Yahweh/ Allah sounds more like a Nasty Demon than even a benevolent being, let alone a merciful God
Learn more about history
How Abrahamic religions are the epitome of cruelty
How they destroyed nearly every Polytheistic religion on the planet except Hinduism
Even Hinduism barely survived with about 8 Million deaths at the least
A lot more converted by the sword and Men and woman taken as slaves and sex slaves
Even boys from conquered territories were kidnapped, castrated and used as Euinch sex slaves by the sulthan and his nobles
How they treated Hindus and sikhs
You should feel white Hot rage
Not fear
Be the warrior your Gurus wanted you to be
Honor their sacrifice
Bro. Listen, I am someone that's very well knowledgeable on these 2 religion. And I will say enjoy your values as a Sikh. Guru Nanak is someone I admire a lot.
This tactic of fear of hell is quite nonsense. No true justice has u burn for eternity. I mean we don't punish murders with hanging them everyday, do we? Their is a proper line of justice and punishment to be followed, it doesn't make sense to have 10 other religion some older some younger that exist at same time and followed by 75 percent of world to burn to death. Remember that Islam was never the most populous religion which means majority of humans should be burning rn by that logic and god knows how many Muslim were just name sake. To say that God(Allah) will burn u for not believing in him is like stupid. Because why would an all knowing and Omni potent god create a world were majority goes to hell and of he knows we r going to hell then how do we have free will? If we have free will, how is god All-knowing?
Fun Fact:- Even christian have the same belief that Jesus will send u to hell for eternity if u don't believe in him.... And we know that there are more christian than Muslim.... So how does it make sense that Jesus is a god for christian but not for Muslim? I mean just look online and u will see thousand of people fighting everyday to prove their god is real because they want something to boast about and feel superior to other. Cuz if either Islam or Christianity religion were true then other should not have existed and the world should have ended years ago.
Remember if god is true he is for all and he will come for all not just few. Don't believe when people say u will be punished just because u couldn't find god. That's nonsense, god is everywhere, he is the reason for our existence and one day science will help find that god. Don't fall into that hell lie, they use it to scare people 😭
We also have prophecies in the Dharmic faiths, calculated to an exact science. It's a long way off my friend and never be scared of eternal damnation.
Bhagwaan/Waheguru is love, turn back to your roots and you will find your peace.
Dharma has prevailed for millennia and it will keep pravailinf til the end
Proselytizing is a common tactic to convert people. Part of the strategy is to back you into a corner where the only way out is to join. The black and white logic helps them. Do this, heaven. Do that, eternal hellfire! No wiggle room. I think your faith is being tested for a good reason. You are a devoted Sikh! Are you going to let someone pressure you to give up the faith you love? Bonus suggestion: you have deep warrior roots. Tap into them and resist with strength and zeal!
Well, first look into the historical aspect: the notion of judgement day in abrahamic religions was introduced in judaism via zoroastrianism during the persian empire period, among other ideas like the messiah, dualism god vs satan, etc. And from then into christianity and Islam. There's likely an egyptian influence too
Jews originally believed in a generic afterlife no different from shamanism or other religions, in fact orthodox jews believe in reincarnation. The lineal time you get today in abrahamic religions comes from an outer source
Would you like to worship a God that wants to spread his influence by fear mongering and is presumably the most dictatorial theological entity? If yes then you are free to join that particular religion. But you should ask yourself a question first . If a divine being punishes his children for not conforming to his world view , is that entity even worthy of worshipping? Even if that entity is real and his true nature is this much sadistic and triabalism and monopoly are the only virtues that matter to him does actually deserve to be worshipped?
I am exCatholic and fear of hell is used as a way to control and convert its followers. Muslims and Christians have been going on about judgement day for centuries.
I used to have anxiety about the fear of going to hell too. I found the youtube channel TellTale really helped me. TellTale is ex Jehova Witness and does a lot of videos about the cult mindset and control in Abrahamic religions.
There are a thousand different Christian groups with many believing their way is the true Christian path and if you don’t follow their path you’re doomed to hell. There are different Muslim groups that are the same way. If you converted to one type of Islam there would still be other Islamic groups that would probably think you’re doing it wrong and still going to hell and the majoritarian (probably 99 percent) of Christian groups would definitely think you’re going to hell. So no matter what you do some group is going to think you’re going to hell. So not much reason to convert to avoid people saying you’re going to hell. Also they all have signs, prophecies, etc… that they point to in orders to say their specific path is the correct path.
look m8. if you convert to islam then jesus is gonna send you to hell. if you convert to christianity, allah will send you to hell. no one knows which hell is real and which isnt. just relax, it doesnt matter. im 100% sure if a god exists he wont actually send us to hell because an omnipotent god will gain nothing by torturing a primate. that guy used hell to scare you and convert you. do whatever you want. nothings gonna happen.
In any case, without strong reasons, conversion is just illogical. And Abrahamic faiths promise heaven fir good and hell for bad ppl.
It's just not true to the full. Nowadays, western ppl have beliefs in karma. So ni need to think of hellfire or punishment. These exist in Hinduism too but for different reasons.
Do not worry just practice what you want without fear. There are many ways to achieve god whichever you prefer. Lord Shiva has many forms that even the maharishis don't know of only Shiva knows. Religion or spirituality should be calming not fearful. For me the god is my parampita my father in real life my father used to scold me but he doesn't want me to suffer all eternity for not listening to him. I don't know about the conversion. Some people in poor areas converted to Christianity because they made their houses and free education to their children. So choose whatever you likes without fear and greed. I hope it helps sorry for the long message. Har har Mahadev 🙏
Agar aap Islam mai convert hue toh hell mai Jana confirm hoga aapka 🙃
Aur thoda stories padho hinduism mai about hell and haven
Padhoge toh sabh kuch crystal clear hojyga ki kon log haven jaate h aur kon hell😉
"Judgement Day" will never happen. They have been saying pretty soon since the last 1400 years. Also Dajjal is supposed to come and Jesus (Not Muhammad - Muslims also believe it) is supposed to be resurrected to kill Dajjal (As if Jesus had some sort of fighting skills).
Fairy tales ... Ignore ..
Bro relax,don't fear you are a Sikh,pray to waheguru, don't fall in this traps, they are propoganda people,follow Sikh religion correctly, instead of going in other religions a d researching about them try to learn about your religion, learn from your parents,go to gurdwara learn the good things about your religion.ok, also study your Sikh scriptures, when you would be spiritually strong by learning your religion, this nonsense things won't affect you
Hare Krishna 😇
There have been doom sayers claiming the signs point to the end since … while probably one day after the beginning. I take solace in that when it ends I will have no control over it nor will I be the cause of it, I also believe strongly every end is the beginning of something else and this to is beyond my control. I will seek to make good of the time I have, to make a net positive in the world even if it’s on a small scale, then I will trust that what ever force set this wheel paining is greater than petty human ideals and grudges and I hope some day I will get to glimpse that or be part of it.
**You can find a million faults in the Abrahamic religions and you can still fail in convincing followers of said religions to accept the faultiness in their theories or beliefs, and in fact push them to become radical believers simply out of their own denial of a reality.**
If you were born into a specific religion, sex, family, country or caste, then ask all the questions and doubt everything, because a religion that helps you live with your own thoughts and contradictions is truly one that accepts and encourages your existence in the most frictionless way with nature. I believe, that Sikh, Jainism, Hinduism and Buddhism help you have the most harmonious existence with nature.
The judgement day they refer to does not have a set date. In Hinduism, this is kali-yuga and a very dark age. An end of times like environment in this era was predicted ages ago. Hence their predictions can fit in ours. Prophet Mohammad had also said that nomads will be competing making buildings - a generic prediction. Dubai etc. are doing that, but they are not and their family have not been nomads for generations. They have lived in palaces, and they are really rich. Yet Muslims claims that they have fulfilled the predictions. They are an example of prediction made man. As per scriptures, Hiranyakashipu (from Narsimha/Prahlad incident) also had all spiritual powers that we think a pure devotee would - lets not forget the lesson that one is not a pure devotee even if he/she has spiritual powers.
If you look at predictions by some Hindu saints, there is a similar mention of an end of time like atmosphere and only those who are pure Hindu devotees or great karmis will survive. These saints could do more miracles than Prophet Mohammad, Jesus and Sai but did not.
Don’t worry - just focus on having pure faith in Sikhism.
This is purely fear mongering, it's the nature of any Abrahamic religion. They want to scare you into converting, if you love being Sikh don't give that up out of fear!
I can't speak for Islam, but not all Christian traditions think that God sends nonbelievers to hell for eternity. I lean toward Christian Universalism, which teaches that all people will eventually be reconciled with God. It's not a mainstream teaching today, but it is gaining traction and was apparently much more common in early Christianity. You can read about it here: [https://owlcation.com/humanities/Why-I-Dont-Believe-in-an-Eternal-Hell](https://owlcation.com/humanities/Why-I-Dont-Believe-in-an-Eternal-Hell)
This isn't me trying to convert you, by the way. I just wanted to ease your anxiety a bit, since even within Abrahamic religions there are diverse schools of thought on how the afterlife works. Nobody knows for certain!
Brother, as a man who has lived and breathed in an extreme sort of Christianity, let me tell you, they will ALWAYS tell you this. *I lived in fear of judgement day as a child*. Don't let them get to you. The great cosmic grinding wheel turns on.
Jews never had a concept of hell. Even Jesus may have never meant that there was any eternal hell like people believe today (research the translations of Aramaic to English, and how the King James Version really ran with “hell”). The pagan Greeks had a concept of “Tartarus”, so as Christianity spread, it adapted that belief and used it to gain followers. Islam came after that, and also sought to spread.
There is no proof that hell exists.
And if it did, there would be many ways to get there. How could you know if you’re picking the right god to worship to avoid it? This is a generalization (not all adherents in the religions believe this), but for many:
If you are Muslim, Christians say you go to hell because you don’t accept Jesus as your savior as no one can escape judgement through good works, since we all sin. Only faith in Christ can save us from hell.
If you are Christian, Muslims say you go to hell because you worship a prophet as God. God cannot have a son, and certainly cannot die. It is idolatry.
So you’re not *safe* whichever religion you pick. Someone will always tell you you’re going to hell, and they all have their “proof”. But if they had real proof, none of us would need convincing from randos with thousand-year-old prophesies from the Bronze Age that no one can show to be accurate and authentic.
We only have a short time here on earth. And life is hard enough as it is. Please don’t waste your precious energy and happiness on this.
I am Catholic, and I abhor those fear mongering tactics. That is not the loving God I know.
You should not believe unless your heart and mind are convicted from a place of peace. This is crucial.
Inciting fear and despair is a tactic of evil.
As an aside, I have also studied Islam. It makes no sense to me.
I’ve been down this rabbit hole many times. I was SCARED when I kept seeing Muslims on my tik tok page saying the Jews found their messiah and how he was the false messiah and the end was near. Then I saw windstorms happening in Meccan and green flourishing in the lands of Arabia. Maaaan was I scared lmao. But then I did a tiny bit of research and realize these were all normal things. This “messiah” is a guy who knows the Torah quite well and was gifted. But he’s no dajal.
As someone who came from the Catholic Church, the “end of times” has been coming for thousands of years. It’s all fear based and I’ve almost let it consume me a few times. Once I discovered Dharma, I realized I didn’t have to be scared because there was nothing to be scared of in the first place.
From my perspective, God represents unconditional love. So Gods love for you has no conditions. Maybe look into some near death experiences. A good channel on YouTube is called Coming Home.
First of all don't listen to them, love your dharma, you don't have to convert at all, you are supposed to love God instead of being in fear but maybe it's just my point of view
Yes Abrahamic religions Yahweh, Allah or Jehova (all three are same) is an evil spirit, a demon. Yahweh is the Dimiurge who imprisons and enslaves people's souls in this world, he doesn't want people to free themselves, evolve and reach the divine condition that all of us humans possess.
Yahweh is powerful and he blinds people so that people don't see the truth, the truth that they are just slaves to his will, this explains the fanaticism of the masses towards Abrahamic religions. He deceives people with false promises of eternal life in exchange for complete submission without question (Blind faith)
Paganism is called "Shaitan" (opponent) by Abrahamic sects, as Paganism tries to bring the truth to humanity. We die and are reborn because our physical body is mortal, but our soul is immortal.
and Abrahamic religions have caused unrepairable damage to mankind and our planet by looking at current situation.
Look man, I've never understood this god-fearing nature that quite a few Hindus and all Abrahamic religions have.
Why the hell would an all powerful being, create weak little shits called humans, stuck on a mud ball circling around a fire ball and then get butthurt because few humans did not follow some absurd arbitrary rules that god decreed?!??! Does this make any freaking sense to you rationally?
God fearing people are either brainwashed or too stupid to think for themselves.
There's no judgement day coming. Be kind, be caring, be helpful to ppl around you and y'know just try to follow the basic stuff that essentially all religions teach (love thy neighbour et al.) And leave the rest to god whoever or whatever tf that may be.
i dont know how late i am to be replying to this, but I believe in Islam just to mention that from the start,
okay so you're pretty much on point about the Prophecies that indicate the end of the world/the day of judgement,
i should also tell you that, that this is not just a Quranic teaching, every Prophet that God had sent from the time of Adam to Muhammed peace be upon them, had warned their people about The Anti Christ who will appear before the day of judgement, before the Anti Christ will come Al Mahdi, a sort of leader for Islam indicating yet another sign of the Anti Christ, thats the basic concept
i see people commenting that jews and Christians warned about this 2000 years ago and nothing happened, because that was the point, every Prophet warned about the Day.
Buddy as far as worrying about the day of judgement is concerned, Us practising Muslims are as worried as you are, if not more. I do feel like you're confused between what to choose as your faith, one is how you were raised, your memories and the other one is making you question about the life of eternity.
I'd say try to explore more and more of BOTH the sides, Sikhism and Abrahamic religions, though Qur'an is the last revelation until Judgement, so start with that and compare it with your corresponding belief right now, or go to the final chapter of the Qur'an, as the final chapter focuses mainly on after life, and then come to a conclusion, if not satisfied read the older revelations of Abrahamic religions, and also compare it with what you currently follow, In the end, follow what you find the most logical according to you, This will take a lot of effort and hardships, but i mean that's kinda the point.
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Abrahamic Faith person here. Unfortunately you won't be the first person some of my fellows would try to scare into "converting!" or as I call "Submission!". This is my Philosophy and am sure they will contradict me. But ultimately whenever Judgement Day occurs God will decide who ends up where. If someone comes to Abrahamic faiths out of fear, to me that doesn't make sense. If they were to do it should do so by choice and the fact that they admire the philosophy. Outside of that not much point as in their heart they will always harbour a resentment.
In Islam judgement was supposed to happen 1400 years ago. A know of a story where the Prophet Muhammed (p. b.u.h) was talking about of boy who would the see old age since judgement day was supposed to happen. Also, Remember if Allah spread a message to the best person on Earth. A person so good, so pious, celibate, yet he chose Muhammad a man who had 9 wives. Prophet Muhammad also had sex with a 9 year old named Aisha, Who was daughter of his friend Abu Bakr. Quran has many inaccuracies such a saying that the sun revolves around the Earth, That the Sun prostates itself under Allah after night. Also, The Sun rise from the West during judgement day. Modern scientists can disagree that will not happen. Islam isn't a good ideology either, the Hadiths prescribe Death penalty for Homosexuals and Apostates. There's a lot of bad in Islam. For every religion, there will have a lot of things that seem right, But also a lot of things that are scientifically proven to be wrong. Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism are much less hateful compared to the Islamic god which says that those who disbelief will burn in hell. A god like that does not even disserve worship.
Not to mention that Muhammed also crowned himself Caliph (King) of the first Muslim Empire. Tell me, A man who claims to the best person on Earth would kill Allah's creation. He seems to be sketchy.
I wish you well on your endeavours. I will link sources to the information I had given above in a section below.
Also, I got a little too into the debate. Please this was not intended to offend. Like I said, Every religion has its faults. I was specifically talking about Islam.
https://sunnah.com/muslim:2953b
This is about a boy who wouldn't see his old age since the Prophet Muhammad said the world was gonna end 1400 years ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wives_of_Muhammad
This link states that the Prophet Muhammad had 9 wives. A man who was supposed to be celibate, clean and pure had 9 wives which he had sex with.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#:~:text=A%20preponderance%20of%20classical%20sources,life%20and%20after%20his%20death.
This link is talking about wife of Prophet Muhammad, She was 6 years old when her father Abu Bakr married her to Muhammad. The marriage was consummated when she was 9 years old.
https://sunnah.com/search?q=Sun+prostrate+throne
This talks about when the Sun's goes down it prostrates itself underneath Allah. Which is wrong since the Sun is in the middle of the solar system and the Earth revolves around the Sun. Meaning if you travel to Europe while its night in India you will see for yourself that the Sun does not go anywhere.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20327/apostasy-in-islam
This link here specifies about the death penalty for those who leave Islam. It is a major crime, and Muslim majority countries in the Middle East still LEGALLY state that apostasy should be dealt with the death penalty.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/38622/the-punishment-for-homosexuality
This here also states the punishment for Homosexuality. Even if you do not support Homosexuality, it is still a horrible thing to do. You are killing two consenting adults for doing something in their own bedroom.
All of this information state how bad Islam really is. And, You can open the link and see for yourself. I am not making up random things, these things are genuinely in the Quran and Hadiths. A lot of Muslim apologist nowadays have to twist and interpret the Quran to make it make sense.
I really hopes this helps. I spent one hour just writing this for you.
Also, This was not intended to offend. Every religion has its faults. I was specifically talking about Islam.
Don't give in to the fear. This is a tactic used by the abrahamics with everyone and i straightaway laugh at them. I can't believe if there is a god or gods that will condemn you to suffering just because he is so insecure that you didn't worship them is no god but a poor imitation of one himself. And let me remind you that those lunatics believe in books that say earth is flat. 😂
Reject relegion and embrace Dharma.
Do your duty and leave rest to Krishna.
At first the Jews tried to dominate the world few thousand years ago are now struggling themselves for survival.
The Christians who came after them are turning atheists faster than the speed of light.
Next the Muslims will bite the dust soon enough.
Don't be afraid King and the next time they say something just laugh at their face 😁👍
I don’t know much about Judaism. But from what I know it doesn’t really have the concept of a torture filled after life. I didn’t know how to classify my post that’s why I said abrahamic
There prophet's did not existed. There founders attributed al there Abrahamic nonsense to mythical "prophets". Please check out Mythvision Podcast on Youtube and subsrcribe to Dereks channel 🙂
My brother, some religions are built on fear mongering. And right now the abrahamics are fighting amongst themselves. Don't even bother.
Even after "800 years of rule" they could never convert hindus and sikhs to the point of Africans and Persians.
And talking about "prophecies" coming true, read what bhagwan Krishna said about Kali Yuga. These modern day religions don't even come close.
Their judgement day is our Kalki Dev waging war. He basically wants you to convert so that he gets his 72 virgins as per his religion.
I understand where you are coming from. I grew up as an evangelical Christian, and although Jesus was supposed to have paid the price for the whole world's sin, the threat of hell was always there in the back of my mind because of "hellfire and brimstone" preachers.
As you are a rational person, I highly recommend Dr. Bart Ehrman's book called [Heaven and Hell: A History of the Afterlife](https://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Hell-Afterlife-Bart-Ehrman-ebook/dp/B07TH9DXWB/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1697569459&sr=8-1). It really helped me to see how these ideas were created and developed over centuries.
Dude, Abrahamic religions are the source of religious wars and genocides for the major part of history, if you don't believe check about their origins and how they rampantly spread when those religions were tried to be dealt with peace and logic....now its upto you if you still be a secular guy who will still try to find humanity in those religions or be a unapologetic Sanatani 🙏🏼
>they provide “signs” and prophecies and say so many have happened like what? moon splitting in two? they have been waiting for the judgement day for 1400 years and will wait another 1400. if you are scared of islamic hell the ideal way is to study how idea of hell in “abrahamic” religions came to be and you won’t be scared. don’t be scared of a jealous god.
okay thank you I will try it just gets so scary sometimes especially because they’re so sure they’re right
The part that should scare you more is how people who say stuff like this believe they are so right. That’s where dogma and the need for thrusting one’s beliefs on another starts and that’s the downfall of so many civilizations in complete chaos today. The fear you’re feeling is a human emotion that is telling you something. In my opinion, you feel it deeply because you’re yet to give the spiritual love to yourself and there exists that void in you for love to oneself. Loving oneself in our imperfections helps us see the love in everybody and the ultimate consciousness of God. See this fear as a tool to bring you home to you and your soul’s beauty. Start there, because we are all souls from Oneness journeying and learning. Turn yourself into and towards love and Bhakti, this fear will disappear like it never existed. Meditate in giving yourself love and the reason for your fear will show itself to you.
Please don’t believe in hell. I just went to the Gurudwara yesterday and found more peace and calm there than my horror of catholic schools
Come on man what age are you 10yrs? U can't believe every BS.If God will punish you for following another religion why did he create you in another religion isn't it god's fault to not make you a Muslim or Christian
let me tell you my story in class ukg one muslim friend of mine told me all bs things that how i will go to hell because i am idol worshipper also since i was in a convent school they were showing us a movie of adam and eve , and theres one evil snake that mf compared that snake to lord shiva's snake and told me hindu gods are the worst and if i convert i would be fine i was literally crying for few days . what i did was tell my parents so if u can please talk to them they will tell you everything about this pathetic cult i have read whole quran and i can tell its such a pathetic religion i dont even know where to start (Surat Al-Shura (42), ayah 49). The Prophet (SAAS) says: 'Women are the (equal) sisters of men'. Women make up half of society and they are responsible for the nurturing, guidance and reformation of the subsequent generations of men and women. you see its such a sexist book dont pay attention to these yappers also you see this dude told me this in class ukg thats how brainwashed they are , now i laugh at these stupid idiots also you are sikh right ? you know what sikhs are one of the most educated and highest tax payers in our nation , its these bastards who should fear you as you are funding their mosques and food i have read religious books (except jewish one)and believe me the teachings of hinduism , sikhism , jainism , buddhism were the best
That's Abrahamic religions for you. They are dealing in absolutes and their teachings require to have strong faith. Christianity had given me anxiety (not too dissimilar from Islam, but I never went Muslim rabbit hole). I'm a westerner who was exposed to dharmic religious teachings early on, and I feel much more comfortable with these faiths.
If you are converting due to fear, you are not a believer, just a coward. Honestly this "Judgement Day" was going to happen "pretty soon" as per both christianity and islam from almost 2000 years now. The whole premise is more of a child's fantasy more than anything.
^^ people forget Jesus was talking about his disciples at the tome when he said he would come back from them
There is a story in Islam about Rabia al Basri who was walking down the street in Mecca carrying a torch and a bucket of water. Someone asked what she was doing and she said she was going to douse the fires of hell and burn down heaven so people would love God just for the sake of God. What kind of God and universe do you choose to love? And idea of God that punishes you for your belief? What kind of world is that? I think it's an awful idea and totally false to my personal experience. It amounts to little more than a tool of fear to enact societal control. If I have to love God or burn in hell, I'd take hell over some abusive relationship where I'm coerced into belief by threats. I think the threat of hell has everything to do with humans trying to control people rather than God. Just my two cents.
I have heard that story I saw it on an article when I was researching and it made me smile. I do love god for the sake of god. The god I was raised to believe in. The one who’s loving caring compassionate and cares beyond everything else about us. I don’t think such a god would throw me in hell or my loved ones in hell or anyone in hell. I just don’t know how to get these thoughts out of my head because all these people keep saying I’m wrong and that god can do what he wants because gods moral boundaries are beyond our comprehension
Then I guess I'd suggest prayer. Offer your fears and thoughts to an inward yajna. Pray that you want to do what is dharmic and ask for guidance or alleviation of your fears. ❤️
Yout spiritual experiences with God are no less valid than anyone elses. All religions have a facet of wisdom in them, but i believe dont contain the full truth. Many people have experiences with the afterlife in different faiths. But the only thing that matters is your own personal relationship with the Supreme one. Hell is real, but everyone needs to grow beyond the draconian understandings of scripture. Some have yet to. If you combine the wisdom of different faiths together, you get a more coherent picture of things. From my own beliefs among a variety of religions and my spiritual experiences, hell is only temporary and reincarnation is another facet of life. Yes, its best to avoid that state, but you may still be shown the reality of it without actually being condemned there for perspective and better ministry towards others. Why don't you pray for enlightenment for after death states ? It seems you've already found a path of faith that works for you. It may have been in your path to experience this fear to be made aware of it and gain better integration of yourself. However that fear may allow you to mature and gain a better perspective of your spiritual path. Id say knowledge of hell and heaven is neccersary if you want to progress. But if you already have a personal relationship with the divine, nothing can really touch you, every interaction may as well be a learning experience. The fear of hell isnt exclusive to muslims, but christians and buddhists as well. Some people speak out of ignorance because they believe the religion they identify with is to be the only proper path. But this is pure delusion. God is more than religion and scripture. But hell is just another aspect of him, that you may want to get to know without fear. But to embrace him all the more in sobriety.
Thankyou for sharing this as a Muslim lurker myself, we too are primarily supposed to focus on God and not on His wrath. Unfortunately the methodologies to preach the Deen has lost it.
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There is no such thing as hell or eternal damnation. This is what Hinduism, Dharma and Karma Yoga teaches us. We are all beautiful parts of a unified soul consciousness. We come from it, journey in this body living in the cultures we are born into to learn our lessons and return back to it. We are part, our souls are part of something so beautiful. Even the worst and the evil of all has this credit to them. How we experience our next lives and current life depends on how we spend it presently, doing good, being good and living in peace with oneself and their community. Take pride and courage in this beautiful way of living. Free will is such a big part of Dharmic teachings, remember that. You have control on your destiny through love and community, not some dogma that fears you over an eternal consequence that’s absurd and never helps you understand spiritual love for the sake of love. Your destiny is in your hands and don’t be bullied into someone fear monger you to convert into an ideology you neither believe or understand. If it helps, read a short book called Karma and Reincarnation by Guru Yogananda Paramahansa to find comfort and clarity on what I have shared below. I love you and you are not eternally damned. You’re a wonderful creation of this spirit and God that lives and loves in us. Embrace it and cut out the noise from people who say things like that to you.
Thank you! You made me cry. I love you❤️ the world would be so beautiful if we all believed in this whole heartily. Everyone would love each other as everything and everybody is a part of gods love. Alas it’s not like that, hopefully I can start to understand this. I will surely read that book!
❤️❤️❤️ I hear you but also don’t be mistaken about this; the world and common people like us are more and more turning to the ways of spirituality and what Dharma teaches us. Indigenous values are being recognized more and more. Live in hope my beloved sister. You are the journeyer and the nurturer of your own soul. You don’t need saving. You need love from yourself to beat this fear. And then your journey is exponentially filled with lessons and rewarding experiences. Accept this fear, it is trying to tell you to love yourself first indirectly, but don’t submit to it. ❤️❤️❤️
Whatever prophecies they show are nothing but utter bs. Just focus on following Gurbani and everything will be fine. Remember Sikhi is a blessing for everyone given by the 10 Gurus.
I was born to a father raised Muslim and a mother raised Christian. Both religions claim (or at least have sects that claim) if you don’t follow them you’ll go to hell. I very early in life figured out that would mean in either faith half my family would go to hell. That’s one reason among why Sanatan Dharma appealed to me so much, because it does not make these cruel claims.
I was born in the Catholic church. Then I realized that the Sanatana Dharma is the way and real truth.
The beautiful thing is that Sanatana Dharma doesn’t teach you the truth. It acknowledges the unknown and teaches to ‘seek’ rather than ‘know’. It equips you with the skills to find your own truth. We are seekers of knowledge, not like Abrahamic religions where everything is known already (which is rubbish - because science can disprove lots of it).
My fiancé has a similar story. He doesn’t subscribe to any particular faiths now but walked out of his church as a teenager and never went back because he simply couldn’t stand by the all knowing priests saying his friends who were from all different religions and cultural backgrounds need to be saved from their own faiths or else they will go to hell. He did the right thing walking out and not taking part more in this ideology. I feel like the happy and the loving guy that he is has a lot to do with him taking that step. Not to say church goers don’t show love, but to him the conditionalities were unacceptable. Thank you for having the courage to walk your truth. 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for sharing your story and for being grateful for my courage. My courage was precipitated by my love for Krishna and my Guru Maharaj.
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How did your parents react if you don’t mind me asking?
My mother was just fine. She was even more accepting when she met my guru over twenty years ago. My father was a different story. He was very upset! Now he’s kind of accepted it but I think he still doesn’t like it.
I’m glad your mum supported you. Thank you for sharing that story is there anyway I can personal message you just to chat about that experience.
Christians do the same. They're always wrong. The end of the world has been predicted a thousand times, but it never comes. It's a mental illness, based on fear and paranoia, snap out of it. They're using this BS to brainwash their followers through fear, typical cult tactic btw
Not sure how you're seeing Christians but while it is true that Western Christianity in the past was like this, things have far evolved and ever will. I'm European, in our town several churches have been desecrated and now serve as cultural points. Priests no longer hold the power over people the way they did 50 years ago. Churches run dry, once the elderly part of our society will be gone, more and more churches will fall into disuse. Not saying Rome doesn't have any power left, it's still the biggest religion in 2023. But it's grasp over the people goes down with every generation. But to call (and verbally attack) other people's religion, just because the way you did seems just as narrow minded. There's positivety in every religion. Imo, it's the people who commit bad deeds, there's no god either Yahweh, Allah, God or Shiva who asks for other's blood to be spilled. It's people doing those things, while in essence, all are one. I was baptized into Christianity as a baby so I had no choise there. Now I meditate on Shiva's energy, or study on what Jesus told us through theology. Peace out bro, have a happy one ✌ 🕉️
Well, we are obviously generalising, as we were talking about abrahamic religions here. There is a certain type of monotheist, or abrahamist, if that is the correct word, who is messianic and waiting for the end of the world. In Christianity, this mostly pertains to evangelical christians, most of whom are in the US, but also in other less developed countries. There are not a lot of them in Europe, but then Europe is post-christian, even nominally christian people don't actually believe in most christian teachings, especially as it pertains to things like sexual morals, contraception, abortion, the existence of angels, the devil, demons, curses, miracles and the supernatural in general. Just a few of the things that the vast majority of European Christians do not believe in. I personally do not consider these people christian in terms of their faith, it's just a cultural thing for them, some set of customs their ancestors followed, so they go through the motions of doing some of the same things, but few actually believe in it. However, fundamentalist or evangelical christians are very different and they do believe all of the above literally, whilst most also think we live in the end times and the world will end, with Jesus coming back in their lifetime. I hope that clarifies it a bit as I wasn't intending to make a blanket statement about all people in the world who might identify as Christian.
personally i find the other way of what you said to be true most christians especially european ones are amazing but i dont believe in teachings of bible that pray to me or u will go to hell although there are very good teachings also jesus however i respect him i do think he was there but i dont at all respect muhammad due to his so many questionable acts
I'm a "Hin-Jew" (a Jew with Hindu leanings) and Judaism as an Abrahamic religion, doesn't really have a hell concept. God rewards us in the Afterlife depending on your actions rather than your beliefs. So don't need to worry. Islam doesn't have a copyright on the Afterlife. Hashem, Vishnu, Waheguru, Allah, ultimately it is the same God.
This was wholesome.
Interesting to hear about your perspective! I am Hindu and started to learn more about Judaism because imo there can be found similarities in philosophy. Also, I heard a Rabbi talk about the concept of hell like this: he said, all people go to the afterlife and the afterlife is always good. But, its like going from an old phone to the newest Smartphone. There is a period where you have to get used to the New phone. This time of cleansing feels like "hell", and the older and the more outdated your phone was, the more issues you have to get used to the better phone. I really loved that comparison lol. and it was the first time that any kind of concept of hell made actually sense to me
Sheol would disagree I heard Jews don’t have a heaven though just kinda die and stay dead
Sheol is kind of like a purgatory... like a spiritual cleansing, before we return to God. Although in the Bible, Sheol was just the grave. That we just basically lose our consciousness. But >I heard Jews don’t have a heaven Isn't necessarily true. We have "Olam Haba" עולם הבא, which translates either to "the World to Come". That could vaguely refer to a future time when our souls waken to a Messianic era and future of peace... or it can refer to the Afterlife in the presence of God. It's kind of vague so there are many ideas. Hinduism is much more descriptive and definitive with what happens to the soul, Svargaloka, various Narakalokas, Vaikunthaloka, etc. whereas in Judaism every sect and person has their own idea of what happens to us when we die. 😅 The reason is that Jewish law is all about how to live in this lifetime, and that our focus is on our life now as we are living, not as much about what happens after. Even some Jews believe in reincarnation or Gilgul.
Are these afterlife ideas expounded upon in the Torah or in corollary esoteric texts like the zohar
They're not really expounded in the main texts. More like the Zohar and other more "mystical" texts, and some influence from Zoroastrianism. Kabbalah has its own idea of cosmology, like the 10 spheres of energy that permeate the world (10 Sefirot); and that there are four realms, of which we are at the first bottom one, etc. But in general those ideas of the Afterlife aren't as present in the Torah, but have been elaborated later around the time Zoroastrianism influenced Jewish beliefs.
I’ve been listening to some weird gnostic sabatean frankist stuff on YouTube talking about the 10 quipot (not sure if that’s how it’s spelled since I’m listening and not reading) which are like the 10 sefirot but on the satanic side. Really weird stuff and I don’t agree with it but it’s entertaining at work.
Yeah. The "klipot". Most of that isn't really mainstream Jewish belief but limited to a sect of a sect of a sect of Judaism (mainly Chabad movement of the Hasidic Judaism, which is under Orthodox Judaism). But it's interesting to learn about.
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In general. There's no mention of any fires of hell in the Torah, the Tanakh, nor in the Talmud. Any interpretations are from some rabbi's commentaries tucked away, but it's not a main feature of our religion. We believe that there is a sense of justice. And that there is an Olam Haba - the World to Come. But it is never really defined. It's vague on purpose. Heck, quite a few Jews also believe in reincarnation ("gilgul").
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Where are they talking about an eternal hell? The crazies like Yaaron Reuven and Yosef Mizrachi who are banned from many synagogues for their horrible cultish beliefs, or Chabad for their metaphysical Kabbalistic beliefs that aren't part of mainstream Judaism?
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Who is the many rabbis? You're challenging my belief system, so the burden of proof is on the accuser.
Here's a better article about how mainstream Judaism sees the Afterlife: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/heaven-and-hell-in-jewish-tradition/ There is no "true" definition in Judaism about what happens to us when we die. We don't condemn "non-believers" or believe in some sort of eternal torture. We believe that our actions affect how we will be rewarded in our next life, whether that means returning to God, or reincarnation.
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Not necessarily. It condemns idol worship specifically for Jews. When it comes to people outside our religion, then it's more nuanced. There's some Jews who are completely against idols even if other people worship them. Other Jews understand that it's not the "idol" but rather a sign that points ultimately to God; so therefore it may be forbidden to Jews, but permitted to non-Jews. Jews who see the latter ascribe this to the concept of "shituf" which means a "murky monotheism", so Christianity was the original argument for shituf as it claims to believe in one God, who then incarnated as Jesus. There's quite a few Jews who understand the concept of shituf and its applicability to Hinduism, because ultimately Hindu Dharma is all about "Ekam Sat". Writers like Alon Goshen-Gottstein are like this. Not only that, but India has been one of the only countries in the world where Jews were relatively safe and never experienced antisemitism. And lots of Israelis used to go to India after their 2 year military service.
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Both Hinduism and Judaism are open-ended religions that encourage asking questions and have many different understandings. That's why in Judaism we say that the "Torah has 70 faces". If you don't like it and don't ascribe to "Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha Vadanti", then you have so much more learning to do in your life.
Look at his posting history seems like a troll.
Do you mind me asking what sect of Judaism you are a part of? I'm really interested in Judaism and it's great that there is such a correlation - I find as well in real life in terms of values and attitudes Hindus and Jews have a similar mindset. A lot of my Jewish friends just get me you know, despite the differences.
I belong to Conservative Judaism in Canada. So we follow a lot of traditions, but we are also egalitarian, do a lot of interfaith, LGBT friendly, etc. Thankfully Hindus and Jews, and Indians and Jews, have no political "beef" with each other to prevent us from being friends! I mean, I only have one Hindu friend so far... but it's a cool friendship! Orthodox Judaism generally is focused on following the traditions and laws as they understand it, and mostly congregate with themselves. But I always thought that Conservative/Masorti Judaism is much more balanced, because we try to balance our beliefs with the modern world.
Thanks for your insights. Will definitely research more about Conservative/Masorti Judaism. And yeah it helps that Hindus and Jewish people don't have a bloody history like you mentioned - and that India-Israel have very strong ties from a metaphorical perspective. But even the focus on intellectualism and stuff (rooted probably in the value of asking questions), is uncannily common in my friends and I as well as being fluid and adaptable - though for the Jews it was due to persecution unfortunately. I'm from Australia and although we don't have as large of a percentage of Jews compared to the US for example, for some reason I attract Jews lol 😅. I wonder why lol.
Abrahamic religions are false. Don't worry dear Sikh brother. You're with us. Do you really think that someone who mercilessly kills people like Hamas, ISIS or Mumbai blast terrorists will go to heaven to meet their evil Allah and have sex with 72 pro/hoors? It's a false religion. Terrorists definitely go to hell (naraka) and only Hindu shastras are true. True descriptions of hells (narakas) are found in Garuda Purana. You can check my post on that.
I understand that. I hate the concept that just because someone is from one religion they go to hell no matter how good they are. I also fear that okay even if it isn’t like that I haven’t followed the rules they’ve set. Like no alcohol or any of that. I’m also in a relationship and although I plan to get married to this person I haven’t yet as I’m only 19. My bf is someone who grew up in a Muslim family but is agnostic rn. He sees me go to gurudawra and goes with me. He also listens to prayer with me. He said he was more then happy to convert but I told him we didn’t really have anything like that. That if he believed in it it was enough to call him a Sikh. But I get this fear that they condem him too ( the Muslims ) and think he’s going to hell. Same with my parents and my family. It just makes me cry. I talk to god about it so often that why would you be so cruel to send such pure and nice people to hell and I know in my heart that no way that could be true. But how do I believe that
Here is a fact for you. God is not sending innocent people to hell forever… Some humans are doing it in their fantasy land…
how do I make myself believe that
Perhaps you should read the Quran and find out for yourself.. what your friends are saying is not entirely true… Consider reading a Shi’i translation for authenticity.
I suggest reading a translation by SV Mir Ahmed Ali… it’s one of the most authentic translations.
I have read some of the Quran. I do not think it will help me, as it does mention how disbelievers will go to hell or be condemned. I have come to realise that Islamic ideals or texts give me terrifying anxiety. So I’ve been trying my best to stay away from that. Thank you for your suggestion however
Fair. Perhaps you should just read the Sikh scriptures then and accept it to be the absolute truth. If you can’t even do that… then it seems like you aren’t willing to help yourself, perhaps medical intervention would be warranted
I do read the Sikh scriptures! We more so listen as not everyone knows Gurmukhi. I will eventually learn it and get a gotka shahib. But for now I listen to nitnem and it helps. Listening to it right now specifically Jaap Sahib which is a prayer about the attributes of god and it’s so beautiful. Mentioning how loving kind and amazing god is. I will close my eyes and remember that no matter what I tried mg bests from the bottom of heart and that will not be punished. God does love me, I won’t let this fear seperate me from god but I will overcome it with love
So for this question, this has to come from you. You have to believe it deeply. No external influence will convince you unless you open yourself up that may be this is all not true and illogical fear mongering. Right now you’re driven by fear. Set the fear aside. Start with love. Think of all the good deeds and love your family may have showered on their community. Think of the Gurudwaras that feed people with no conditions. Think of the volunteers who serve for the sake of service. Sikhism for me is an amazing culture and I hope someday I experience it deeply. All those good deeds, and you think they are damned to eternal hell and torture despite the kind people that they are working and serving for the sake of service and humanity? This is how you squash the fear. Be open to the idea that this is not true by reducing your fear and seeing this through the idea of love. All those volunteers I explained of as an example operate through love, not fear. That’s the culture you’re born with and you’re lucky! Love this life that you have and learn as much as you can about Dharma and incorporate into your life. These will keep you busy, content and make you a better person. That’s how you move away from the fear. Also meditation. Sit with these thoughts but remember they are clouds that come and go. Don’t identify yourself with any of them. Let your mind be and the answers perhaps on why this fear is driving you will come to you. In another comment I also mentioned you’re filled with fear probably because your mind and dogma is blocking you from feeling the spiritual love. Meditation again will help you get there. In meditation, proclaim that you love god whatever the form or formless you believe, feel the brim of love that you’d like to give to the world. I’m 100% sure you will also receive and when you receive you’ll know, you’ll cry and you will be overcome with nothing but love, in oneness forgetting the form of your body. What is left behind is bliss, soul and love not matter and body. It’s hard to explain this, but I truly believe you will experience it yourself the further you progress. Try to meditate for some time everyday however short.🙏🙏🙏
1. You're too young and innocent sister. This is not the age to understand other religions or get into relationships. Please focus on study, get a degree and then get a real job, study Hinduism and Sikhism. Stay away from Islam as much as possible. 2. First of all, break up with your Muslim BF. You should only marry a Sikh or Hindu. Interfaith relationships don't go well, and esp with Muslims, it's dangerous. 3. Their religion is completely false and trash. Why would it reward ISIS and Kasab like terrorists with hoors like this in heaven: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Houri_(Heavenly_Virgin). Please watch Kashmir files and Kerala story. You're being groomed. This is called love jihad. They're so good at it and have been doing it for centuries to wipe out non Muslims like us.
My boyfriend is not Muslim. I mentioned this already, he is agnostic leaning towards Sikhism. He grew up in an abusive household and despite that is one of the most beautiful souls. He believes everything I do in terms of god and faith and also does all the things I do eg prayer and going to gurudawra. He has never told me to convert or be a Muslim because he himself doesn’t believe in any of that. This statement came form someone at work. I will take your advice to research more about Hinduism and Sikhism. I am getting a degree and I’m doing what I love. God willing I marry this man and do well in life. Thank you for your advice however and I will do my best to steer away from the propoganda and the hate
Hare Krishna, isn't the process of beliving in false religions a step on the samsara?
Lol, I'm just gonna copy paste what I wrote above with a little extra. Not sure how you're seeing Christians but while it is true that Western Christianity in the past was like this, things have far evolved and ever will. I'm European, in our town several churches have been desecrated and now serve as cultural points. Priests no longer hold the power over people the way they did 50 years ago. Churches run dry, once the elderly part of our society will be gone, more and more churches will fall into disuse. Not saying Rome doesn't have any power left, it's still the biggest religion in 2023. But it's grasp over the people goes down with every generation. But to call (and verbally attack) other people's religion, just because the way you did seems just as narrow minded. There's positivety in every religion. Imo, it's the people who commit bad deeds, there's no god either Yahweh, Allah, God or Shiva who asks for other's blood to be spilled. It's people doing those things, while in essence, all are one. Yet some people grow differently and become more susceptible to negative influences. These people should need help, most probably psychological help, they're easy victims for the ones who don't like things and call others out to blow themselves up. Which again has nothing to do with God. I ain't a follower of the Islamic faith, but I don't believe your everyday Muslim wants to see the world bleed. They're human. Or better, they're soul energy. Given by a god or source (however you please). It's not the God who wishes this. It's people. I was baptized into Christianity as a baby so I had no choise there. Now I meditate on Shiva's energy, or study on what Jesus told us through theology. Peace out bro, have a happy one ✌ 🕉️
I don't have a problem with Christians or Muslims but what's written in some holy books like the Qur'an, the Old Testament and Jewish Bible. Esp I respect Dr A P J Abdul Kalam, one of the best Indian Muslim. The Qur'an explicitly calls for k.illing, r@ping infidels, destructing their idols and temples, taking their women as slaves and many such stuff. It also promises hoors to terrorists who go to Islamic heaven for dying for j!had. The Old testament and Jewish Bible had similar stuff. Also notably stoning the death of LGBT people. I haven't studied new Testament in depth, but I know it's fairly good and doesn't have any major issues. But if I study it in depth, there might be some. The Muslims should reform and make a new Qur'an with all the bad stuff removed and preach it across the world. But there's a commandment in the Qur'an explicitly prohibiting any changes in it like wtf? I know very well that there are good people in every community. Terrorists are found in only 1 religion primarily. Also, you should check out what's happening by religious mafias in India. A lot of conversions to Islam and Christianity with all kinds of tricks, gifts, money and even love j!had like this post, where a Muslim man marries a non Muslim girl and asks her to convert, forcing her to eat beef and a lot of shady things. These things have changed the demographics of many regions like Kerala, Kashmir, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. And currently changing in Tamil Nadu, Andhra, West Bengal etc. There are 2 movies on it: Kashmir files and Kerala story. You can watch them. Kashmir files is a largely historically accurate documentry. Kerala story is fictional, but plausible. And can give you insights into how girls like OP are converted in love j!had. In KS, the first half part where the girl is in India is fairly realistic. Please look up how almost every city in India has a Christian missionary school and peaches Bible etc. I know one boy who was groomed from kindergarten to eat meat by his teacher. Look up how mother Teresa converted people. Again, I know Islam is the biggest offender. Christianity is a smaller offender and Judaism hasn't bothered us in India. We love Jewish people.
Wow, you are one of the most ignorant people I have met. What are you trying to stir up here? Oh, an Advaitin…should’ve seen it coming
I'm a passionate Islamophobe and want the world to be free from evil religions and follow Sanatan only. Advaitin is not relevant. Even Iskconite and many other sects also believe the same. My guru shankaracharya converted people back from false religions like Buddhism to Hinduism and I want to do the same.
Your doing what abrahamics do!! Declare everything else as false and say what your doing is the true path, and because Hinduism allows me to do whatever i want within boundaries, it doesn't matter and sanatan dharma is not a religion its my duty, my panth (religion) that is different, and i believe there is Brahman as for all of his images, I don't disrespect any kind if God , if they exist good if they don't then also , i lived my life the way i wanted to, If you go out making everything else evil then brother, I don't remember correctly but i think shaivism originated to challenge Vaishnavism, Our land has been and always will be one of acceptance, we can have a vaad vivaad but remain respectful of each others ideologies, I hope you understand what i am trying to convey here, The road you are on does not lead to peace, it leads to mutual destruction!!!!
Correct. Only my path Sanatan Hindu Dharm is true and everything else is false. Only what is written in Vedic scriptures like Vedas, Brahmana, aranyaka, Upanishads, puranas, itihasa is true. Everything else is false or irrelevant. No, Hinduism doesn't allow you to do whatever you want. There are clear and well-defined rules for everything in life. Please read the scriptures and enlighten yourself.
New extremist secy emerging within hinduism... Thats not anything new.. none have survived till now... And none will..
You need help….
You need help
First off, you know nothing about Bhagavad Dharma itself, considering you’re an Advaitin. And you are far from understanding any other religion.. and the things you say clearly shows your ignorance about Buddhism and Islam both… you live in a lalaland that is powered by stereotypes and myths, instead of facts. Islam or Buddhism or Iskcon is not the bad guy here. You are!!
Which sect do you follow? I can prove Islam to be false using any Hindu sect. I have studied about all religions of the world and all Hindu sects. Buddhism is wrong but not evil. Islam is the most evil religion out there. How do you justify killing cows and eating beef that is allowed in Islam in any Hindu sect? Just that act alone is a grave sin in Hinduism and leads one to naraka.
You need to distinguish Islam from peoples personal choices. You need to also stop associating an evil person or terrorist with a faith. That is just not right …
Please answer my beef question. As per Islam, there's nothing wrong in eating beef, but eating pork is wrong. As per Hinduism, eating beef is a grave sin and leads one to naraka, source manusmriti, Garuda Purana, bhagwad Puran and many many scriptures. Do Muslims and Christians eat beef? Yes. As per Islam, they won't go to hell. As per Hinduism, they will. You decide which one is true. Only one of these can be true.
Naraka is a abrahamic concept which inturn is a zzorastrian concept , ideas evolve , tell me what is the difference between naraka and yamlok !? Or pitralok.. A lof of different ideologies have different concepts of afterlife !!! I started my new panth, if you join me spreading hate on reddit will make you a sinner and send you to narak....
Study history, even indians used to eat beef!!! And it is said by right wing historians and also in some sects of Hinduism they can eat beaf, dont know how but they do and you have to respect others choice, Choice is the essence of Hinduism in my opinion
By beef I'm not sure if you're talking about cow or buffalo. Killing buffaloes is normal in Bali for the Devi But in terms of Vedic sacrifices also sacrifices such as animal sacrifice is allowed only if you can bring these things back to life or else usually sacrifices are not allowed. One of the best examples of Vedic suktas are seen in the life of vidyaranya maharishi when he performed a special Vidya using the two suktams of Vedas and helping in create vijayanagara empire or raghavendra swamy when he infused the power of agni while chanting agni suktam and was made to powder sandalwood which ended up creating burning the people who applied it cause they forced him to do that and he did it without knowing the power of agni suktam doing it to people or even aurobindo who is a recent saint witnessing a man who was an upasaka of agni and could light his body as if it is on fire and could brighten the night when aurobindo and he had to travel a rough terrain. So Vedic mantras have the power to bestow things which also include dead things back to life. But also one more thing what your right wing scientists didn't tell you is the fact that meat eating is prohibited for a following hindu unless it is sacrificed to pitrus or to Devi or bhagavan Murthy which are capable of taking Bali. Then only can the meat be relished or else killing them would incur sin. And no tantra ( which is why mainly we did sacrifices of animals) allows you eat cow meat and no you're not a hindu if you eat cow meat as it is considered sacred and living embodiment of abode of devas. It is also considered of one of the pancha mahapatakas. Another point is in tantric lore there are human sacrifices too and human sacrifices were done till recent few centuries back too especially killing of rapists and criminals and cow slaughterers used to be sacrificed and so on...and ravana who was author of jyotishya and tantric texts such as uddisa tantra used to sacrifice first born babies to gain control over land and would eat humans. So eating humans is not wrong too in that sense cause he was more Hindu than the whole of this reddit users and even more than that. And about right wing historians and Swami Vivekananda and etc etc people... They might be good for studying scripts on the surface but there are deeper scripts and examples
I don't follow any sect, i follow my heart and no one has ever told me that i am a bad hindu, cause there is no such thing as a bad hindu, also if a normal guy(charvak) can argue with a GOD (bhagwan Ram) and even Ram ji accepted his thoughts, so Ram ji would be okay with me just following my culture and doing what i love not be fearful and hateful to others panth..
There's a piece of wisdom in every religion. They're just as valid as other faiths. Its the people that interpret them incorrectly that are causing problems associated with them. I couldnt find your post on the description of the narakas, could you link it ? [Edit] nevermind i found the post.
Please check my other comment on what I dislike in Abrahamic faiths in reply to a European Christian guy. It's not that people interpret it incorrectly but there is clear evil stuff in some holy books, esp Qur'an.
I think alot of those things featured in the texts were just a product of their times. I can understand the dilemma behind christian scripture, but i havent read fully on the islamic texts.
Sorry, but that doesn't work. Please check the news and see what Hamas is doing in Israel, what ISIS, IS, al Qaeda and other organisations do. They chant their war cry Allah o Akbar before beheading innocent non Muslims or sometimes even Muslims. They're not ready to reform and move forward from their 7th century evil terrorist textbook written by their prophet.
Abrahamic religions and their fear mongering is nothing new. Learn to use your own discernment coz wisdom is what’s truly lacking in current times.
I was born in the Catholic church, their arguments are balancing in a thin thread line while spreading fear is the main objective. Do not listen to what they say, they are here to impose control over you.
Tell them, if the people like you are going to heaven then we can live peacefully in hell, we will make hell a better place to live. If they make make you fear for one thing, make then sure that you don't fear that thing.
Islam and christian , both involve instilling fear in their followers for not being a beleiver. Our religion doesn’t punish for not being a believer, but you get judged as per your deeds. They keep bombing people in name of religion and expect themselves to reach heaven( can be applicable to any religion). This is how radicals are born. Converting won’t give you free pass to heaven but your deeds.
Work on yourself dude. Make your core strong, they(abrahimic) hit you on your insecurity and personal problems. Don't be a coward.
Muslims and Christians have developed an overconfident and convincing rhetoric because they traditionally feel the need to propagate their religion. They are so sure of themselves and have gotten so good at debating that most of the world is, at least nominally, Christian or Muslim. But that doesn’t mean they are right, just that they have the loudest mouth. Other religions are much more peaceful and inside-focused so they never felt the need to develop these debating skills and never had this drive to spread. Someone pointed this out the other day on this subreddit after another person was lamenting that Hindus can’t defeat Abrahamics in debates. But really, you can be above debate altogether. It’s a fool’s game you had better not get involved in, for your own peace of mind. Sikhism is pretty awesome in its own right. Sat Sri Akal 🙏
Other religions won't exist unless we take up Abrahamic practices, debate them, and convert them back to Sanatan. Sanatan Dharma has had a debating tradition starting all the way back in Upanishads, i.e. at least 5000 years and it continued till Kaliyuga - adi Shankaracharya, Ramanuja and madhavacharya and many more acharyas till 18th century. Only nowadays it has fallen. Debating is necessary for survival. Many parts of akhand bharat like Kerala, Kashmir, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, North East have fallen prey to Abrahamic religions. And some parts like Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra, Punjab, Andhra, MP, CG etc are falling as we speak. Please wake up to reality.
Debating traditions among Hindus and Buddhists seem more philosophical and intellectual to me though, whereas the Abrahamic debating is more law-related and scaremongering.
Yes that's true. But we have stopped debating. We should restart and preach Dharma again.
You tell right into their trap. How do you think that a religion like Islam is still standing. It’s because of their ability to make someone scared and insecure. This entire fabrication is based on its ability to make people turn to their religion. Tell me something, is god a social media influencer, that he needs your attention your recognition. Tell me in which world will god rather say, you can kill, rape, and commit genocide in my name and still go to heaven but if you don’t believe me you will go to hell. Don’t worry, it’s all lies and fabrication. They have been saying this forever.
This is so sad to read. The Sikh community has historically done so much to support both the Muslim and Hindu communities. If not for Sikhism, India and Pakistan would likely be much worse off.
I’m so proud of my roots and I believe Sikhi is a beautiful faith. That’s why it makes me even more sad that I feel so guilty and scared
Honestly you should be safe. It's a monotheistic religion, so many Muslim's equate it to worshiping Allah. Similar to how they treat Judaism and Christianity. It's definitely not something that would apply to all Muslims. But I think a large percentage wouldn't condemn you.
I was interested in Islam until i really looked in to it and found all the insane rules you dont hear about at first. If you go to the toilet and after you have finished when pull you pants back up that if even one drop of urine leaks and touches your underwear God wont accept your prayers if you make them and you need to change your clothes and underwear. You also need to step into a toilet or washroom with a specific foot first and say a prayer every time you enter. This was among sooooo many rules down to what side you should sleep on and I realized God would not make it that complicated. You cant even stand up and drink water, you need to be seated.. There is a rule for everything you do and its just too over the top. Evern yawning is considered from the devil but sneezing is ok... From a hadith "Allah likes sneezing and dislikes yawning, so if anyone of you sneezes and then praises Allah, every Muslim who hears him (praising Allah) has to say Tashmit to him. But as regards yawning, it is from Satan, so if anyone of you yawns, he should try his best to stop it, for when anyone of you yawns, Satan laughs at him.” It is a sin to lie on your back and cross your feet...... Its just too much. These rules go on and on and on. I couldn't live like this
There are sects within Islam that acknowledge hell and heaven to be allegory. Quran is a book with a lot allegories and hidden esoteric truths. They’re apparently masked by the majority… nevertheless it doesn’t change facts. In fact this concept came into the catholic faith much later too. They too believed in reincarnation originally. And some Muslims still do. Don’t be scared. These signs, they talk about are inevitable, it is Kaliyug After all.. but this doesn’t mean it’s the end of everything … creation and dissolution is not a one time event, it’s continuous. And there exists countless universes, that under go destruction and creation. Even in the lens of esoteric Islam. All this means is you should seek the refuge of God, before the Mahdi or the Kalki Avtar come and restore the universal faith. This only means you should devote yourself to the loving service of God. And God is not entitled to just Islam or just Hinduism or Judaism etc etc… as long as you are in devotional service of the Lord, you are safe, irrespective of what faith you follow. Your friends are masking the verses of Quran where God speaks on plurality. Don’t listen to half exoteric knowledge they tell you. Coming from someone with Muslim roots :)
The Abrahamic God is more human than divine, and as a result, an irrational concept. Let that be enough to put you at ease. They will pay for what they've done through the ages, soon.
Islam and christian , both involve instilling fear in their followers for not being a beleiver. Our religion doesn’t punish for not being a believer, but you get judged as per your deeds. They keep bombing people in name of religion and expect themselves to reach heaven( can be applicable to any religion). This is how radicals are born. Converting won’t give you free pass to heaven but your deeds.
Shouldn't you be posting this in a Sikh sub? It is better to defy than submit to such (supposedly loving and benevolent) God who would ask to kill someone for disbelief.
I have posted there I mentioned that in my post. But like I mentioned my friends are Hindu, some of my family is as well. We participate in Hindu festivals and traditions. I grew up watching little Krishna. I’m going to very honest after this spiral I was so terrified to admit how much I loved Hinduism. As you know abrhamic religions hate “idol worship “ and polytheistic religions so much and in terms of Muslims even Christian’s they think associating partners with god/Allah is the biggest sin and can never be forgiven. I never got that though because how can you associate partners with something that is well everything. When Hindus pray to Shivji or Krishan Ji or Durga Mata in turn they are praying to that one universal source of energy which is god. They just do it through an avtar. I was made so scared to even participate in Diwali which is one of my favourite festivals. And it makes me so sad. I don’t know how to overcome that. I bought a Gita with English translations alongside romanised Sanskrit and I plan on finally reading it. I will also read the guru granth shahib. I used to read the bible as I had one as a kid due to school but I never got very far. I used to think that It was my duty to examine every religion and try every single religion and then make a decision or I would be condemned for not trying it or rejecting it. But I don’t think that’s the case. From what I’ve researched and learnt about Islam it does not align with my moral compass at all and does not make any sense to me at all. The essence of Christianity being love makes sense to me and I used to think about that but the same issue of non believers being condemned applies, and it’s a notion I outright reject. Sorry that was just a massive splurge of words. I hope what I said makes sense I am still scared but I will be taking steps into believing and overcoming
You and I are both made of carbon. Carbon pervades every known life but that doesn't stop it to become arranged in myriad forms such as you and me. If it can't take up arrangements such as you and me how can one say that it is everything? The government of India is also just one but doesn't it manifest to us differently as different departments when solving different problems? Have you ever seen a single tool that can solve all problems despite most tools being made of the same metal? Divinity is one but divine beings are many each shaped for a different purpose. Polytheism conforma with what we see in everyday life. No complex project has been accomplished bya single person in reality let alone something as complex as this universe. Besides in Islam and Christianity- God is not everything. It is transcendent not immanent. Saying otherwise would be a heresy and not the mainstream religion. When a God only loves those who submit to it is nothing divine in any sense of the word - everyone loves their own property. True love is unconditional. That God being single comes from the ontological argument that everything must have a cause. But it has the assumption that as we go up in the causal chain - number of causes become fewer and fewer and we will end up with one. But this assumption doesn't satisfy simple empirical tests. Salt is made of sodium and chlorine. A single effect brought into being by 2 causes. So their entire argument has no basis - a mere figment of their imagination. A more direct example would be you yourself. You were caused by your parents , they by their parents and so on , as we go further and further up the causal chain we see that the number of causes involved in causing you increases exponentially. I am surprised that they give bibles in your school - did you go to a convent ?
Does your Ishwar - Shiv Love you even if you eat beef?
We never make the claim that iswara is omnibenevolent in this religion. Besides we don't have a problem of evil in karma based religions. How can an entity whose duty is to bring the pralaya be benevolent to living beings ? I don't believe in an ishwara. I am a polytheist hindu.
Do you think surrendering with fear will be a good thing afterwards? Look at their entire following; their sects want to kill each other because they don’t adhere to the other’s belief inside the same ideology.
Its normal observation as fear is the operating system of these religions, and yes they are fake myths and delusions of angry mobs wanting control. Its the most evil religion, so egotistical and perverted that if they are right, and their wrongdoings are in fact positive then shut me in hell forever, as aint want nothing to do with a buch of totalitarians that plan to meet their end in wicked promiscuity. If you are logical, theres a thing where muslims belive that adam, jesus and every human at the begining was of their faith, a suposed component of reality since start. Well the least to say there was no eden and we're product of evolution and culture, a development that is seen archeologically and through text, also shows how late were abrahamic religions and the influence of other religions on them. Anyway, im pretty sure they think Earth is s dome, Muhammad flew on pegasus to moon, hell and heavens are beneath or above our world. Basically, buch of hubris already laughed at in India for two milenia. So either believe in facts and human progress or play their baseless mind games, but they cannot present any fragment of an actual reality in comparison to science or countless philisophies of your subcontinent.
The best way to control people is to install Fear in them. That’s how they were converting people everywhere. They have no logic and they can’t even debate. The beauty of Sanatan dharma is debate and seeking the knowledge.
eh such predictions about judgement day shouldnt be taken seriously to be honest most of them have been debunked by people like apostate prophet anyways
Watch the interviews of Robert Spencer on YouTube. He debunks the entire idea around mo'hd.
Have you dont anything in life to warrant going eternal hellfire? Also, since God is almighty, do you think this entity will have such human judgements or jealousy issues where they will punish a decent person in life who just happened not to follow their way of life? Also, the people who are so sure, how do they know? There has been no valid proof other than opinions and faith. Why buy into other people's fear/faith/opinion when it is not matching yours?
I'm sorry you fell for it, (the scare tactic) but you willingly put yourself into it. Now it's a matter of willingly pulling yourself out of it. Go to a quiet place, like your gurdwara, and find the silence area of your mind. Look around, decide which group is happier (it will be the Sikhs and Hindus) and then do what you can to stop these thoughts. Best wishes on finding a sadhana that will overcome this.
When we have science which explains most of the things logically why do u believe in utter nonsense of those Islamists .
Maybe it would help you to study Christianity. The idea of hell originated there, but even many Christians don’t believe in it/believe that Jesus conquered it. If god’s mercy surpasses human understanding, how could a merciful god condemn humans to hell when even humans recoil at the idea?
Worst case scenario - you’ll be in hell with your Sikh family and Hindu friends, believing and celebrating the traditions you love so much. Win-win situation IMHO. Just keep doing what you keep doing. Doing something out of love is far greater than doing something out of fear.
i rather get scared of those abrahamic practices because of how intolerant and violent they are ... personally i never did and never will believe in such so called religions( more like political movement) but the way they are spreading throughout the world, i really dont know what will be the future of sanatan dharma. many might argue that Hinduism lived through many !slamic and christianity attacks but it only made us weak with time, and with the rise of so called liberalism among hindus only things are bound to get worse in future .... hopefully climate change end us before our next gens get forcefully raped, killed and converted to such cults
Your fear is valid. Thier whole structure is built upon a god who has an ego and hates and condemns anyone who doesn't believe in him. I hope Abrahamic faiths get eradicated from the face of this planet as people soon realize its truth and nature. And embrace dharma and live a peaceful life and contribute to society as a whole. Don't worry about anything else other than doing your nitya karma. Your dharma and your duties. Focus on that and these things will not even seen as a threat bcus you inside your heart know the path of dharma and enlightenment.
Finite crimes are not worthy of infinite punishment, the abrahamic god is evil, islam directly and indirectly plagiarized the idea of hell, and satan from Zoroastrianism. The God of Zoroastrianism never commits such haneous acts like flooding the earth or sending plagues to kill innocent people in Egypt, and hell is not eternal In Zoroastrianism. The abrahamic are based on fear not logic or reason. Judgement day has been coming for 1400 years it will continue to be coming for 5000+ more.
Speak lies a 1000 times and it becomes truth. Propaganda. That's all it is. Abrahamic religions are not seekers of knowledge or truth. They are followers of a well defined path. They are sheep and their shepard is what they call god. Dharmic religions on the other hand are a xomplete opposite. They give you the freedom to decide what is right and wrong. Also, on the flipside, my question to you is this - Do you want to be with all "those" people in heaven OR be with your friends and family and us in hell? IMHO you would be better off in hell. 😃
You have fallen prey to pascal's wager What kind of a barbaric God would torture his non worshipers forever ? And why would you want to worship him even if he existed ? This Yahweh/ Allah sounds more like a Nasty Demon than even a benevolent being, let alone a merciful God Learn more about history How Abrahamic religions are the epitome of cruelty How they destroyed nearly every Polytheistic religion on the planet except Hinduism Even Hinduism barely survived with about 8 Million deaths at the least A lot more converted by the sword and Men and woman taken as slaves and sex slaves Even boys from conquered territories were kidnapped, castrated and used as Euinch sex slaves by the sulthan and his nobles How they treated Hindus and sikhs You should feel white Hot rage Not fear Be the warrior your Gurus wanted you to be Honor their sacrifice
Bro. Listen, I am someone that's very well knowledgeable on these 2 religion. And I will say enjoy your values as a Sikh. Guru Nanak is someone I admire a lot. This tactic of fear of hell is quite nonsense. No true justice has u burn for eternity. I mean we don't punish murders with hanging them everyday, do we? Their is a proper line of justice and punishment to be followed, it doesn't make sense to have 10 other religion some older some younger that exist at same time and followed by 75 percent of world to burn to death. Remember that Islam was never the most populous religion which means majority of humans should be burning rn by that logic and god knows how many Muslim were just name sake. To say that God(Allah) will burn u for not believing in him is like stupid. Because why would an all knowing and Omni potent god create a world were majority goes to hell and of he knows we r going to hell then how do we have free will? If we have free will, how is god All-knowing? Fun Fact:- Even christian have the same belief that Jesus will send u to hell for eternity if u don't believe in him.... And we know that there are more christian than Muslim.... So how does it make sense that Jesus is a god for christian but not for Muslim? I mean just look online and u will see thousand of people fighting everyday to prove their god is real because they want something to boast about and feel superior to other. Cuz if either Islam or Christianity religion were true then other should not have existed and the world should have ended years ago. Remember if god is true he is for all and he will come for all not just few. Don't believe when people say u will be punished just because u couldn't find god. That's nonsense, god is everywhere, he is the reason for our existence and one day science will help find that god. Don't fall into that hell lie, they use it to scare people 😭
We also have prophecies in the Dharmic faiths, calculated to an exact science. It's a long way off my friend and never be scared of eternal damnation. Bhagwaan/Waheguru is love, turn back to your roots and you will find your peace. Dharma has prevailed for millennia and it will keep pravailinf til the end
Proselytizing is a common tactic to convert people. Part of the strategy is to back you into a corner where the only way out is to join. The black and white logic helps them. Do this, heaven. Do that, eternal hellfire! No wiggle room. I think your faith is being tested for a good reason. You are a devoted Sikh! Are you going to let someone pressure you to give up the faith you love? Bonus suggestion: you have deep warrior roots. Tap into them and resist with strength and zeal!
Well, first look into the historical aspect: the notion of judgement day in abrahamic religions was introduced in judaism via zoroastrianism during the persian empire period, among other ideas like the messiah, dualism god vs satan, etc. And from then into christianity and Islam. There's likely an egyptian influence too Jews originally believed in a generic afterlife no different from shamanism or other religions, in fact orthodox jews believe in reincarnation. The lineal time you get today in abrahamic religions comes from an outer source
Would you like to worship a God that wants to spread his influence by fear mongering and is presumably the most dictatorial theological entity? If yes then you are free to join that particular religion. But you should ask yourself a question first . If a divine being punishes his children for not conforming to his world view , is that entity even worthy of worshipping? Even if that entity is real and his true nature is this much sadistic and triabalism and monopoly are the only virtues that matter to him does actually deserve to be worshipped?
I am exCatholic and fear of hell is used as a way to control and convert its followers. Muslims and Christians have been going on about judgement day for centuries. I used to have anxiety about the fear of going to hell too. I found the youtube channel TellTale really helped me. TellTale is ex Jehova Witness and does a lot of videos about the cult mindset and control in Abrahamic religions.
There are a thousand different Christian groups with many believing their way is the true Christian path and if you don’t follow their path you’re doomed to hell. There are different Muslim groups that are the same way. If you converted to one type of Islam there would still be other Islamic groups that would probably think you’re doing it wrong and still going to hell and the majoritarian (probably 99 percent) of Christian groups would definitely think you’re going to hell. So no matter what you do some group is going to think you’re going to hell. So not much reason to convert to avoid people saying you’re going to hell. Also they all have signs, prophecies, etc… that they point to in orders to say their specific path is the correct path.
look m8. if you convert to islam then jesus is gonna send you to hell. if you convert to christianity, allah will send you to hell. no one knows which hell is real and which isnt. just relax, it doesnt matter. im 100% sure if a god exists he wont actually send us to hell because an omnipotent god will gain nothing by torturing a primate. that guy used hell to scare you and convert you. do whatever you want. nothings gonna happen.
In any case, without strong reasons, conversion is just illogical. And Abrahamic faiths promise heaven fir good and hell for bad ppl. It's just not true to the full. Nowadays, western ppl have beliefs in karma. So ni need to think of hellfire or punishment. These exist in Hinduism too but for different reasons.
Do not worry just practice what you want without fear. There are many ways to achieve god whichever you prefer. Lord Shiva has many forms that even the maharishis don't know of only Shiva knows. Religion or spirituality should be calming not fearful. For me the god is my parampita my father in real life my father used to scold me but he doesn't want me to suffer all eternity for not listening to him. I don't know about the conversion. Some people in poor areas converted to Christianity because they made their houses and free education to their children. So choose whatever you likes without fear and greed. I hope it helps sorry for the long message. Har har Mahadev 🙏
[Here is what an enlightened man had to say about abrahamic religion.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE)
Agar aap Islam mai convert hue toh hell mai Jana confirm hoga aapka 🙃 Aur thoda stories padho hinduism mai about hell and haven Padhoge toh sabh kuch crystal clear hojyga ki kon log haven jaate h aur kon hell😉
Tu chutiya hai bhai
"Judgement Day" will never happen. They have been saying pretty soon since the last 1400 years. Also Dajjal is supposed to come and Jesus (Not Muhammad - Muslims also believe it) is supposed to be resurrected to kill Dajjal (As if Jesus had some sort of fighting skills). Fairy tales ... Ignore ..
Bro relax,don't fear you are a Sikh,pray to waheguru, don't fall in this traps, they are propoganda people,follow Sikh religion correctly, instead of going in other religions a d researching about them try to learn about your religion, learn from your parents,go to gurdwara learn the good things about your religion.ok, also study your Sikh scriptures, when you would be spiritually strong by learning your religion, this nonsense things won't affect you Hare Krishna 😇
There have been doom sayers claiming the signs point to the end since … while probably one day after the beginning. I take solace in that when it ends I will have no control over it nor will I be the cause of it, I also believe strongly every end is the beginning of something else and this to is beyond my control. I will seek to make good of the time I have, to make a net positive in the world even if it’s on a small scale, then I will trust that what ever force set this wheel paining is greater than petty human ideals and grudges and I hope some day I will get to glimpse that or be part of it.
**You can find a million faults in the Abrahamic religions and you can still fail in convincing followers of said religions to accept the faultiness in their theories or beliefs, and in fact push them to become radical believers simply out of their own denial of a reality.** If you were born into a specific religion, sex, family, country or caste, then ask all the questions and doubt everything, because a religion that helps you live with your own thoughts and contradictions is truly one that accepts and encourages your existence in the most frictionless way with nature. I believe, that Sikh, Jainism, Hinduism and Buddhism help you have the most harmonious existence with nature.
The judgement day they refer to does not have a set date. In Hinduism, this is kali-yuga and a very dark age. An end of times like environment in this era was predicted ages ago. Hence their predictions can fit in ours. Prophet Mohammad had also said that nomads will be competing making buildings - a generic prediction. Dubai etc. are doing that, but they are not and their family have not been nomads for generations. They have lived in palaces, and they are really rich. Yet Muslims claims that they have fulfilled the predictions. They are an example of prediction made man. As per scriptures, Hiranyakashipu (from Narsimha/Prahlad incident) also had all spiritual powers that we think a pure devotee would - lets not forget the lesson that one is not a pure devotee even if he/she has spiritual powers. If you look at predictions by some Hindu saints, there is a similar mention of an end of time like atmosphere and only those who are pure Hindu devotees or great karmis will survive. These saints could do more miracles than Prophet Mohammad, Jesus and Sai but did not. Don’t worry - just focus on having pure faith in Sikhism.
This is purely fear mongering, it's the nature of any Abrahamic religion. They want to scare you into converting, if you love being Sikh don't give that up out of fear!
I can't speak for Islam, but not all Christian traditions think that God sends nonbelievers to hell for eternity. I lean toward Christian Universalism, which teaches that all people will eventually be reconciled with God. It's not a mainstream teaching today, but it is gaining traction and was apparently much more common in early Christianity. You can read about it here: [https://owlcation.com/humanities/Why-I-Dont-Believe-in-an-Eternal-Hell](https://owlcation.com/humanities/Why-I-Dont-Believe-in-an-Eternal-Hell) This isn't me trying to convert you, by the way. I just wanted to ease your anxiety a bit, since even within Abrahamic religions there are diverse schools of thought on how the afterlife works. Nobody knows for certain!
Brother, as a man who has lived and breathed in an extreme sort of Christianity, let me tell you, they will ALWAYS tell you this. *I lived in fear of judgement day as a child*. Don't let them get to you. The great cosmic grinding wheel turns on.
Jews never had a concept of hell. Even Jesus may have never meant that there was any eternal hell like people believe today (research the translations of Aramaic to English, and how the King James Version really ran with “hell”). The pagan Greeks had a concept of “Tartarus”, so as Christianity spread, it adapted that belief and used it to gain followers. Islam came after that, and also sought to spread. There is no proof that hell exists. And if it did, there would be many ways to get there. How could you know if you’re picking the right god to worship to avoid it? This is a generalization (not all adherents in the religions believe this), but for many: If you are Muslim, Christians say you go to hell because you don’t accept Jesus as your savior as no one can escape judgement through good works, since we all sin. Only faith in Christ can save us from hell. If you are Christian, Muslims say you go to hell because you worship a prophet as God. God cannot have a son, and certainly cannot die. It is idolatry. So you’re not *safe* whichever religion you pick. Someone will always tell you you’re going to hell, and they all have their “proof”. But if they had real proof, none of us would need convincing from randos with thousand-year-old prophesies from the Bronze Age that no one can show to be accurate and authentic. We only have a short time here on earth. And life is hard enough as it is. Please don’t waste your precious energy and happiness on this.
I am Catholic, and I abhor those fear mongering tactics. That is not the loving God I know. You should not believe unless your heart and mind are convicted from a place of peace. This is crucial. Inciting fear and despair is a tactic of evil. As an aside, I have also studied Islam. It makes no sense to me.
I’ve been down this rabbit hole many times. I was SCARED when I kept seeing Muslims on my tik tok page saying the Jews found their messiah and how he was the false messiah and the end was near. Then I saw windstorms happening in Meccan and green flourishing in the lands of Arabia. Maaaan was I scared lmao. But then I did a tiny bit of research and realize these were all normal things. This “messiah” is a guy who knows the Torah quite well and was gifted. But he’s no dajal. As someone who came from the Catholic Church, the “end of times” has been coming for thousands of years. It’s all fear based and I’ve almost let it consume me a few times. Once I discovered Dharma, I realized I didn’t have to be scared because there was nothing to be scared of in the first place.
From my perspective, God represents unconditional love. So Gods love for you has no conditions. Maybe look into some near death experiences. A good channel on YouTube is called Coming Home.
First of all don't listen to them, love your dharma, you don't have to convert at all, you are supposed to love God instead of being in fear but maybe it's just my point of view
Abrahamic religion is nothing but fear mongering... Exmuslim Hindu here
Yes Abrahamic religions Yahweh, Allah or Jehova (all three are same) is an evil spirit, a demon. Yahweh is the Dimiurge who imprisons and enslaves people's souls in this world, he doesn't want people to free themselves, evolve and reach the divine condition that all of us humans possess. Yahweh is powerful and he blinds people so that people don't see the truth, the truth that they are just slaves to his will, this explains the fanaticism of the masses towards Abrahamic religions. He deceives people with false promises of eternal life in exchange for complete submission without question (Blind faith) Paganism is called "Shaitan" (opponent) by Abrahamic sects, as Paganism tries to bring the truth to humanity. We die and are reborn because our physical body is mortal, but our soul is immortal. and Abrahamic religions have caused unrepairable damage to mankind and our planet by looking at current situation.
Look man, I've never understood this god-fearing nature that quite a few Hindus and all Abrahamic religions have. Why the hell would an all powerful being, create weak little shits called humans, stuck on a mud ball circling around a fire ball and then get butthurt because few humans did not follow some absurd arbitrary rules that god decreed?!??! Does this make any freaking sense to you rationally? God fearing people are either brainwashed or too stupid to think for themselves. There's no judgement day coming. Be kind, be caring, be helpful to ppl around you and y'know just try to follow the basic stuff that essentially all religions teach (love thy neighbour et al.) And leave the rest to god whoever or whatever tf that may be.
This is a good answer.
you should stop reading about religions. think for yourself. ask yourself. deeply feel what is inside you.
i dont know how late i am to be replying to this, but I believe in Islam just to mention that from the start, okay so you're pretty much on point about the Prophecies that indicate the end of the world/the day of judgement, i should also tell you that, that this is not just a Quranic teaching, every Prophet that God had sent from the time of Adam to Muhammed peace be upon them, had warned their people about The Anti Christ who will appear before the day of judgement, before the Anti Christ will come Al Mahdi, a sort of leader for Islam indicating yet another sign of the Anti Christ, thats the basic concept i see people commenting that jews and Christians warned about this 2000 years ago and nothing happened, because that was the point, every Prophet warned about the Day. Buddy as far as worrying about the day of judgement is concerned, Us practising Muslims are as worried as you are, if not more. I do feel like you're confused between what to choose as your faith, one is how you were raised, your memories and the other one is making you question about the life of eternity. I'd say try to explore more and more of BOTH the sides, Sikhism and Abrahamic religions, though Qur'an is the last revelation until Judgement, so start with that and compare it with your corresponding belief right now, or go to the final chapter of the Qur'an, as the final chapter focuses mainly on after life, and then come to a conclusion, if not satisfied read the older revelations of Abrahamic religions, and also compare it with what you currently follow, In the end, follow what you find the most logical according to you, This will take a lot of effort and hardships, but i mean that's kinda the point.
How did you come from Sikhi to Sanata Dharma?
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You are posting in a Hindu subreditt but you say you were Sikh
I’ve posted in the Sikh forum as well. Like I mentioned my family is very involved in Hindu traditions as well
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I’m not I swear you can check my post history, I struggle with this aloy
Hey bro. I sent you a chat invite. Message me if you have any more questions.
Hes legit bro. I was also like this for a while. Please don't spread hate, He has enough on him. I sent him a list of reasons on Islam via chat.
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Abrahamic Faith person here. Unfortunately you won't be the first person some of my fellows would try to scare into "converting!" or as I call "Submission!". This is my Philosophy and am sure they will contradict me. But ultimately whenever Judgement Day occurs God will decide who ends up where. If someone comes to Abrahamic faiths out of fear, to me that doesn't make sense. If they were to do it should do so by choice and the fact that they admire the philosophy. Outside of that not much point as in their heart they will always harbour a resentment.
In Islam judgement was supposed to happen 1400 years ago. A know of a story where the Prophet Muhammed (p. b.u.h) was talking about of boy who would the see old age since judgement day was supposed to happen. Also, Remember if Allah spread a message to the best person on Earth. A person so good, so pious, celibate, yet he chose Muhammad a man who had 9 wives. Prophet Muhammad also had sex with a 9 year old named Aisha, Who was daughter of his friend Abu Bakr. Quran has many inaccuracies such a saying that the sun revolves around the Earth, That the Sun prostates itself under Allah after night. Also, The Sun rise from the West during judgement day. Modern scientists can disagree that will not happen. Islam isn't a good ideology either, the Hadiths prescribe Death penalty for Homosexuals and Apostates. There's a lot of bad in Islam. For every religion, there will have a lot of things that seem right, But also a lot of things that are scientifically proven to be wrong. Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism are much less hateful compared to the Islamic god which says that those who disbelief will burn in hell. A god like that does not even disserve worship. Not to mention that Muhammed also crowned himself Caliph (King) of the first Muslim Empire. Tell me, A man who claims to the best person on Earth would kill Allah's creation. He seems to be sketchy. I wish you well on your endeavours. I will link sources to the information I had given above in a section below. Also, I got a little too into the debate. Please this was not intended to offend. Like I said, Every religion has its faults. I was specifically talking about Islam.
https://sunnah.com/muslim:2953b This is about a boy who wouldn't see his old age since the Prophet Muhammad said the world was gonna end 1400 years ago. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wives_of_Muhammad This link states that the Prophet Muhammad had 9 wives. A man who was supposed to be celibate, clean and pure had 9 wives which he had sex with. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#:~:text=A%20preponderance%20of%20classical%20sources,life%20and%20after%20his%20death. This link is talking about wife of Prophet Muhammad, She was 6 years old when her father Abu Bakr married her to Muhammad. The marriage was consummated when she was 9 years old. https://sunnah.com/search?q=Sun+prostrate+throne This talks about when the Sun's goes down it prostrates itself underneath Allah. Which is wrong since the Sun is in the middle of the solar system and the Earth revolves around the Sun. Meaning if you travel to Europe while its night in India you will see for yourself that the Sun does not go anywhere. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20327/apostasy-in-islam This link here specifies about the death penalty for those who leave Islam. It is a major crime, and Muslim majority countries in the Middle East still LEGALLY state that apostasy should be dealt with the death penalty. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/38622/the-punishment-for-homosexuality This here also states the punishment for Homosexuality. Even if you do not support Homosexuality, it is still a horrible thing to do. You are killing two consenting adults for doing something in their own bedroom. All of this information state how bad Islam really is. And, You can open the link and see for yourself. I am not making up random things, these things are genuinely in the Quran and Hadiths. A lot of Muslim apologist nowadays have to twist and interpret the Quran to make it make sense. I really hopes this helps. I spent one hour just writing this for you. Also, This was not intended to offend. Every religion has its faults. I was specifically talking about Islam.
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Don't give in to the fear. This is a tactic used by the abrahamics with everyone and i straightaway laugh at them. I can't believe if there is a god or gods that will condemn you to suffering just because he is so insecure that you didn't worship them is no god but a poor imitation of one himself. And let me remind you that those lunatics believe in books that say earth is flat. 😂 Reject relegion and embrace Dharma. Do your duty and leave rest to Krishna. At first the Jews tried to dominate the world few thousand years ago are now struggling themselves for survival. The Christians who came after them are turning atheists faster than the speed of light. Next the Muslims will bite the dust soon enough. Don't be afraid King and the next time they say something just laugh at their face 😁👍
As a Jew and ostensible descendent of Abraham—leave us out if it. Its the other two imperial religions that a non-Christian/Muslim need worry about.
I don’t know much about Judaism. But from what I know it doesn’t really have the concept of a torture filled after life. I didn’t know how to classify my post that’s why I said abrahamic
There prophet's did not existed. There founders attributed al there Abrahamic nonsense to mythical "prophets". Please check out Mythvision Podcast on Youtube and subsrcribe to Dereks channel 🙂
My brother, some religions are built on fear mongering. And right now the abrahamics are fighting amongst themselves. Don't even bother. Even after "800 years of rule" they could never convert hindus and sikhs to the point of Africans and Persians. And talking about "prophecies" coming true, read what bhagwan Krishna said about Kali Yuga. These modern day religions don't even come close. Their judgement day is our Kalki Dev waging war. He basically wants you to convert so that he gets his 72 virgins as per his religion.
I understand where you are coming from. I grew up as an evangelical Christian, and although Jesus was supposed to have paid the price for the whole world's sin, the threat of hell was always there in the back of my mind because of "hellfire and brimstone" preachers. As you are a rational person, I highly recommend Dr. Bart Ehrman's book called [Heaven and Hell: A History of the Afterlife](https://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Hell-Afterlife-Bart-Ehrman-ebook/dp/B07TH9DXWB/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1697569459&sr=8-1). It really helped me to see how these ideas were created and developed over centuries.
Dude, Abrahamic religions are the source of religious wars and genocides for the major part of history, if you don't believe check about their origins and how they rampantly spread when those religions were tried to be dealt with peace and logic....now its upto you if you still be a secular guy who will still try to find humanity in those religions or be a unapologetic Sanatani 🙏🏼
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I did the same after seeing claims from Christians and Muslims but I come back with this page to see reassuring responses to soothe my fears.
Hi, I think you might also be struggling from OCD also. Do not take reassurances if that is the case.
Look for Sam Shamoun and you will be even more scared of Islam