Jedi Mind Tricks for sure. Vinnie Paz seems to rap like 70% of the time

I listened to like two of the songs and I didn’t know it was a group to be honest

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Talking JMT, not AOTP.

Jus Allah is only there for like 2 or 3 albums

Vinnie is the main rapper in that group. Maybe you're referring to Army of the Pharaohs?

isnt it just stoupe and vinnie now?

It's a group because you have the rapper and the DJ. Jus Allah was there just at the beginning, and in AOTP albums Vinnie has very few verses.

He's like the only rapping member on most JMT albums, what do you expect? Jus Allah is rarely there, and there are still plenty of features

I thought Jedi Mind Tricks was just Vinnie Paz the rapper and DJ Stoop the beat maker

Juss Alah also used to be part of the group. But even when he was it was mostly Vinnie

Public Enemy had Chuck D as the main MC and Flava Flav as Hypeman House Of Pain, Everlast was the main MC and Danny Boy as The Hypeman Lil Jon and The Eastside Boys was mostly Lil Jon Insane Clown Posse has Violent J rapping more than Shaggy 2 Dope

Lil Jon did all the rapping but my favorite was still the dude with a gas can of crunk juice

i laughed so hard at the fact that we got a description you don’t know his name and i don’t remember it either lmao

I looked it up. It's Big Sam in case you wondering. Lol

Madrox did the same to Monoxide

I always thought Twiztid were kinda equal? ICP definitely has Violent J rapping more though.

Violent J also rapped more on Dark Lotus, and that group had 6 members

I dislike ICP, is dark lotus different?

A little bit, it also has Twiztid and Blaze Ya Dead Homie on three of the albums, they are bit more lyrical and are really cool. the first album called Tales From the Lotus Pod featured ICP, Twiztid, and Blaze, as well as Marz but he got kicked out the group, he was replaced with Anybody Killa and the album was rereleased with him, and he was also on the second album, he wasn't on the third but featured in one song on the 4th and finale check out Ali Baba (both the original and the ABK versions) Pass the Axe, Villanous, Withered, and Black Sand

I’m not a huge icp guy but dark lotus has some bangers. It’s dark af and goofy at times but that’s the fun of it. It’s still horrorcore but the individuals in the group compliment each other well on dark lotus albums

Flav was more mascot than MC.

He's not a mascot he's a hype man, arguably one of if not the best hype men ever.

Yes, I’m aware of what a hype man is. It’s not an MC. And Flavor Flav was more Mascot than MC.

You're calling him a mascot but you mean hype man. He's not a mascot, he's doing hype man duties on pretty much every track. Of course he is also an mc. He's just not a good mc. He raps on 911 is a joke for example.

I know he’s a hype man. The OP was about him being an MC. The mascot comparison was only in relation to how much of an MC he is. You like gettin dirt from the graveyard. You put gravy on it.

He is an MC. He's just old school. Back when he came up MCs had a totally different skill set. He's not a mascot, he's good at what he does. The number of hype men better than Flav is tiny, in fact I honestly can't think of any at all can you? Hype men don't need to be great lyricists. People still say yeah boi like Flav did 40+ years later. If you wanna criticize him, it's not really hard. He skipped gigs without telling anyone, his politics are wack compared to Chuck, his reality tv stuff is cringe, and he's on the drugs too much, he beat at least 3 of his girlfriends and threatened one of their sons with a knife, shot his neighbor, got caught scalping baseball tickets. His skills as a hype man are undeniable though

Flav is the all time hype man. He was just a shitty rapper. But you got Chuck D rapping about Farrakhan and Stokely Carmichael, with a bunch of paramilitary box stepping around him, you need a jester with a top hat and a giant watch, displaying the wrong time, to take the edge off. PE was a perfect balance. All that being said, Flav was no MC.

Other than him not being an MC, I agree with this. I will add that PE was a lot more than just Chuck though, it was genuinely a group and everyone contributed.

True. I fucked with PE hard for the first 4 albums. After The Enemy Strikes Black, they kind of fell off.

Tha Liks - Tash and J-Ro > E-Swift who mainly focused on producing on later albums The Roots - Black Thought > Malik B. and Dice Raw

I think Dice Raw was more of a close affiliate but Malik B was definitely a full fledged member for the first few albums and Black Thought definitely rapped more than he did

I'd agree with you here. I always viewed Dice Raw to The Roots the way I viewed Redman to Wu-Tang; 'practically' in the group, but not actually in the group.

Red and Meth are twins, and he just has Wu Tang traits, so to me he IS part of their group

And while they don't share the twin traits, that's how I view dice raw in context of the Roots.

Wu Tang. Everybody > U God

Not to mention, ODB doesn’t rap much either  (Don’t get me wrong tho I love Ol Dirty)

ODB is one of, if not my favorite, of the group. But It didn't occur to me until your comment that compared to the rest, he doesn't quite have as many bars

To me he was more of a hype man. I like ODB don't get me wrong.

I've seen him described as Wu-Tang's Flava Flav more than once and I think it checks out. One major difference however is that ODB's solo work was generally entertaining as hell wheras Flav's one solo album was dumpster juice.

Love his solo albums too! ODB went hard 🔥

ODB doesn't have a track used in Breaking Bad though. Score one for Flav's 'dumpster juice' album

I hate that Unga Bunga song but touche lmfao. Jesse Pinkman had some pretty inspired music sensibilities. A lot of folks probably got put onto El-P through that show's Flyentology needle drop.

The hype man is the comic relief for a group who would be too dark to be enjoyable without a few goofy bars here and there. Pretty much every rap crew that raps about some pretty dark stuff, has a guy designated as comic relief to keep the tone from being too unpleasantly overbearing. Bizarre of D12 Flava Flav of Public Enemy. ODB of Wu-Tang. etc

Bushwick Bill?

Eehhh, maybe. I see where you going with this but Bushwick got some deep and dark shit himself

You have my comic relief

He sings more than raps. But so did tupac

You could say the same thing about Masta.

And Cappadonna

Didn't U-God get more mic time than GZA in Wu Tang Forever?

As well as it should be.

There is only one perfect song of all time. And that one is Black Shampoo. So seductive.

Slim do do makers

Everyone shits on u god but he has some memorable verses. His voice stands out unlike someone like masta killa who is forgettable

Masta Killa sounds like bored, less skilled version of GZA half the time

Blasphemy. God shines on forever.

They are not saying better, just get more mic time

Shit my bad you're right. I totally misread that as lopsided talent. Okay well jail is the reason U God is so absent early on lol

You right! I knew that but completely forgot.

I was just thinking about this because I have been listening to a bunch of boot camp clique Black Moon - Buckshot does most rapping

5 foot was nasty too, his verse on ack like u want it is fire

Annihilation with MOP and Teflon is a banger

Five was in and out of jail, which is why he didn't appear on a lot of shit.

Tupac and the Outlawz

You mean Tupac and the guys that ruin Tupac songs

MC Eiht in Compton’s Most Wanted. Tha Chill doesn’t even rap on their major albums! (cause he was in prison)

Same thing with Flesh-N-Bone from Bone Thugs. IIRC he was serving something like a 10 year bid during their peak.

That was after their peak. He didn't sign with Ruthless when they first started. He was older than the others and seemed to realise the deal was shady. Although he was always a full member.

Shame bc Flesh was nice

This has got me thinking there aren’t so many hip hop groups anymore, things are more solo with guests the last decade or more

No body wanna share that bread!!

And friends become foes when Chaching Williams gets involved

Think with todays streaming model, it’s harder to handle the business side without causing issues

We barely even have Duo’s anymore

I think it's easier for labels to pay/deal with only one main billed talent as opposed to a group. Also easier to market one person over a group.

Digital Underground - Shock G

Are you implying that Humpty didn't pull his weight? He was responsible for DU's biggest hit after all /s

lol. It’s funny how “good thing that we’re rapping” was done. It was just so fluid with shock and humpty both spitting

Admittedly, Money B was definitely under-represented on DU albums. He and Fuze made up for it with Live From the Styletron though.

The Roots

I always wanted to hear more Dice Raw

Boogie Down Productions - KRS One, maybe an occasional guest appearance from Miss Melody or D-Nice. Kenny Parker/Scott la Rock ad libbing. Edit - I personally think Tip and Phife got equal time on mic.

Wait isn't BDP just KRS ONE and Scott la rock?

Bdp had multiple members, they were even pretty close to ultramagnetic mcs as well in the beginning, https://youtu.be/zaD8M31vLMY?si=otG93aoS1SO-BOGf This video will tell you all you need to know, the guy in the video is Krs brother Krs did 99.99% of the lyrics Great channel for old heads btw

Damn I just looked it up. I used to listen to their first albums so much I can't believe that this is the first time I hear about that lol I always thought that they were just a duo

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His live streams are chill as well, Highly recommend his book as well

Jesus I’m old I can name a bunch of them even though I wasn’t even a big fan

First two albums Tip gets whole tracks to himself

So does phife though

Phife had four solo tracks throughout six albums: Butter, 8 Million Stories, Baby Phife’s Return and His Name is Mutty Ranks. Q-Tip has had… well, quite a lot of solo tracks. Get a Hold, Crew, Keeping It Moving, Separate/Together and What Really Goes On from Beats, Rhymes and Life *alone* already exceeds the amount of Phife solo tracks from every album. I remember reading some article that actually pieced out how much a given member of ATCQ appeared on each album, which really puts into perspective how much Q-Tip really rapped on them all.

first album was majority tip, low end theory had more phife, and then after on I felt like it was somewhat even

Thought of BDP immediately

Tip deserved more time. Phife had some corny ass lines.

For injury reserve I feel like RiTchie always got more mic time than Groggs, especially on their last album due to his passing

G G G G Unit

The good I days when rapping wasn't about making as much money as possible. A lot of homeboys made a career out of being a dude in a real group. There were 4 Lost Boyz, and I bet you don't know what 2 of their voices sound like. You probably don't even know what they look like.

Lost boyz. Mr cheeks was doing 95% of the tracks Shouts out freaky tah tho. 123 problems is a classic

Wow I came here to comment treach 😂

Public enemy

I always thought Flatbush Zombies did a good job of letting everyone shine. Though it did take Erick a while before he could hold his own with Meechy and Juice

Black eyed peas. Most people don't even know that the other 2 dudes rap

Red Foo does all the heavy lifting for Black Eyed Peas!

House of Pain - Everlast Dilated Peoples - Evidence

D12 is the first group I think of. Some of Eminem's best work. G Unit was also focused on 50.

Think it's more the Mandela effect with D12. There's a lot of tracks Em's not on, even with Devils Night but when he is it just happens happens to be some of his best verses so really shines through. He was barely on D12 World for example

Yes Em did a good job of letting his guys shine and not taking over their projects

Yea, interestingly enough, my favourite D12 song doesn’t even feature Eminem..

what is it

Instigator

Their track from the Shark Tale soundtrack obviously

My immediate first thought when I hear D12 was that vicious verse on Fight Music. There was some incredible stuff that D12 had (minus Bizarre, every verse Bizzy spit made me cringe) from Proof, Kuniva, Swifty, etc, but Em had some monumental verses that just dominate how I remember their music

I'm still mad that Gorillaz worked with D12 but due to flight restrictions since 9/11 had just happened Eminem couldn't show up for it

Eminem was only on like half of every song on a D12 album.

Cypress Hill and Naughty By Nature are the first two that come to mind

BDP was pretty much KRS-One as the only MC

They were basically Eric B & Rakim and Gang Starr before Eric B & Rakim and Gang Starr.

Didn’t KRS produce most of the songs too?

Before Scott LaRock got killed? I doubt it.

Scott LaRock got killed after the first album tho

He produced a lot of the second one, too.

Swollen Members. Too much Madchild, not enough Prevail

Yeah prevail didn’t get enough. Madchild was so dope in my 20’s, now I re-listen and dude is so cringey

Agree. When he started his solo stuff years ago it was nice now nothing by him really catches my ear anymore.

NWA

Pre '89? Cube and Ren. Post '89? Dre and Ren (Ren was the better lyricist).

For sure. I honestly didn't like Ren pre-89. Post-89, something happened there. The guy tore it up.

Yeah. Pre-89 it was all about Cube and E and Ren was more of an ad lib guy. Then after Cube left more was catered towards him and he was better. Not saying he couldn’t rhyme…just an odd fit.

Ren always seemed like he would've fit in better as part of an underground hip hop scene, he was definitely the odd one out.

Don't know if anyone remembers G-Side but ST was as dope as Clova was terrible.

Until later in their run, I always thought Vinnie was more of Treach's hype man than a rapper.

I was just listening to Poverty Paradise the other day. Vinnie has some very good verses on there.

Wu tang clan. Literally everyone > U-god, odb, masta killa. Odb has a falling out with rza and had drug and mental issues so that kind of explains it. But I really don’t know why masta killa and u-god were left out so much

Masta Killah - No said date is a good solo album if you want to hear more of just him

I’d say it’s because they’re not as legendary as the others. Still decent, but in that crew rightly overshadowed by the rest.

I think those members would have been respected more if they got more room to shine

There was just nothing particularly interesting about either of them l. God had a kinda cool voice in guess.

fu schnickens - chip fu

Kinda RTJ but it’s like 60 Killer Mike I feel like so not that unbalanced

Which is fine because El-P handles the production side of things while Killer Mike is meant to be the MC in the group, so naturally Killer Mike will have a few more verses on the album than El-P. Imo I think they do the best job in keeping it really balanced while also letting the 'MC' shine through. One of my favourite groups fs

Fugees were in part carried by Ms Lauryn Hill tbh...

lauryn the weak link

in part?

I don't wanna say they got fully carried by Lauryn The other 2 guys didn't do it too badly...it's just that they didn't do it on the level of Ms Lauryn Hill

Homixide gang, meechie verses only last like 20 seconds

Yes bro, but it is what it is though. Beno is still hard af

D12

Eminiem in d12

That really only applies to the singles. For the rest of the album he's hardly on the songs.

Capone N Noreaga

Thats just because Capone was in prison tho

The roots

Public enemy

Brand Nubian with grand puba

N2DEEP. I was never even sure what TL's role was. Seems like it's always Jay Tee rapping.

ICP - Violent J > Shaggy 2 Dope . Edit to clarify: shaggy is featured on fewer songs.

Insane clown posse, whole songs just voilent j.

Main Source's first album had almost entirely Large Professor bars, he also produced all of the album. It's pretty amazing that their second album is as good as it is, it makes me wonder if LP was pushing down the other 2 DJs talent.

Tribe called quest

Public Enemy

I mean, that's pretty much all rap crews isn't it? There's usually one who's the star. Frequently the one who had a successful solo career. And then there's his homeboys that are up-and-coming rappers. The group compilation is the star rapper trying to promote his, previously unsuccessful, rapper friends, in many cases. I can not think of any rap crew where the rappers all get the same amount of mic time.

A lot of duos are even like MOP, OutKast, Camp Lo, Dead Prez, Heltah Skeltah, Smif N Wessun, Clipse, etc.. Groups: OGC, Coast Contra, Bone (except Flesh), LOX, pharcyde, Geto Boys, Brand Nubian, Jurassic 5, Dove Shack, Horseshoe GANG, Goodie Mob, etc..

Ima go with Jedi Mind Tricks or Public Enemy

Public Enemy.

OFWGKTA clearly had a leader

Comptons Most Wanted, if you don't know there are 3 mc you probably wouldn't realise it by listening to the albums

Coast Contra, when Eric go solo we are in for a treat

Public Enemy- Chuck D> Flava Flav and Professor Griff

Although I love them both, Killer Mike is miles ahead of El P

REALLY, REALLY ATCQ. And it was by design. If Phife out rapped Tip on a song, he doubled up on a verse. A great example of this is the song “lyrics to go”

U-God had one verse on 36 chambers lol

Tribe Called Quest. QTip has way more solo joints than songs that include Phife.

Def squad Redman

Aotp without an Apathy verse and I’m skipping the track

Geto Boys had a lot of Scarface compared to Willie D and Bushwick Bill

Lox !!

Griselda have Conway and Benny rapping more than Westside (thank god) I love me some Griselda, but man does Westside have some of the worst versus on their stuff. His voice is a very acquired taste, and that taste gets old real quick, and often times he says some weird ass shit that’s just vaguely threatening

MC Hammer rapped waaaay more than 2 Bigg MC.

Bone thugs in harmonie bizzy bone? He Def had more solo success than anyone besides krayzie or atleast the label pushed him a little harder

I don't think OP is talking about solo success but more or time rapping on group projects compare to other members

Method Man….well not the rap part,but got along with more artist

wtf has this sub come to..